The Dominican Republic still in Turkey ??????

[Lewis]

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[Franz]

Maybe they'll be able to get Italy to play in the WC. :rolleyes:

[Lewis]

Maybe they'll be able to get Italy to play in the WC. :rolleyes:


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

they, who's "they"

[cardenales]

Seen the high level of game show in Europe, Europe should get three wild cards and Lebanon should have the other one.

[-K2-]

Seen the high level of game show in Europe, Europe should get three wild cards and Lebanon should have the other one.

wishful thinking :D


But i do believe that DR will get a wildcard.
Along with 3 euro teams
The DR team should do better next year

EDIT:
I just read Francisco Garcia critizicing the Dominican Federation, there goes the FIBA invitation...

http://basketdominicano.blogspot.com/2006/12/garcia-recomienda-revision-agradece.html

[samer_1_2]

I guess Lebanon and 3 teams from europe will get the wildcard to Turkey
DR does not deserve a wild card.. Useless

[rtk04]

can anyone explain how would the 3 nba players add to the marketing value of the tournament....

1-will these 3 players from DR be the only players from the NBA in turkey 2010??

2- Lebanon fulfills the criteria more than DR...

3- i wish LEbanon and DR be in turkey but dont base ur explanation for deserving the wild card....on 3 nba players,,,if it was the case then fiba would add a prerequisite in the criteria saying..."higher number of nba players in the team"

4- DR had the chance to qualify and they blew it...whereas lebanon was about to beat china in semifinal of fiba asia and reach the final for the fourth time in a row and th world cup for the 3rd time in a rowif it werent to that stupid referee......watch the game on youtube and see what happened

[cardenales]

Lebanon has been more in the World Basketball sportlight that the DR in this decade. So Lebanon should get the WC

[planaria]

RD played in the high level in FIBA Americas.

They lost to Argentina in OT, they made a bigtime game against PR, they made Brazil work hard and they only was defeat to Canadá because they lost their best player (Francisco Garcia) in the last game.

[karim]

the statement about DR getting NBA players is not good for them ...FIBA are looking for countries with great history of basketball and fans which are passionate about basketball and who are all willing to go c the games in Turkey which is so close to Leb. i have been in turkey and would go again to watch Lebanons games next year if they get invited . Lebanon have a good history being in WBC 2002,2006 and pre olympics 2008 which is more than i can say for DR who just got 3 NBA players and as a result placed 5th in the americas and u can say 6th since USA did not participate this year ....Having a history of basketball is very important and repectable , it is why Serbia was picked as a wildcard in 2006 even though Russia placed higher than them in the Euro2007 ....Jazeera Sport also is a very strong qatari sports channel ...it is broadcasted throughout the world and my friend watched Lebanon in 2006 from the states so u know all arabs would be watching Lebanon throughout the whole world....All this criteria fits lebanon more than counties like venezuala,DR and Nigeria ...I expect 2 or 3 euro teams to be picked in addition to leb ....anything else such as leb not being picked as the 3rd/4th team or fiba giving the wildcards to all 4 euro teams and as a result having 11 europeans team in the WBC2010 would definitely be a shock ...

[nojodas47]

Is funny how much hate we get from our Puerto Rican neighbors like (Cardenales here). Now while I agree that Lebanon deserves a spot as well, and I hope DR and Lenanon get one...here is the reason why I think DR deserves it.

Like the person from BRazil said, we played in far more competitive tournament, and anyone else can comment on this point but I think the only dissapointment was that lost to Canada. We were beating Brazil until the last quarter when we lost Villanueva and Horfrd to fouls...it would have made it closer but Brazil earned the win. Against Argentina I was very upset... they beat us by 2 in over time where Scola played with 4 fouls for like two quarters and that man got all the call from the refs against DR and PR. Agaisnt PR we lost but it was a great game so none of the top teams can say they just run over DR. With that being said we have 3 NBA players, the team now knows each other more and our weakness can be fixed by getting Edgar Sosa to be our point guard.

Also Garcia did criticize some of the organizers of the DR team but he never said he wouldn't play he said that the Kings might tell him not to but I doubt he would stay out of Fiba works with DR to make sure that they get a wild card.

Al Horford and Charlie Villanueva both said they would play again in the World Championship.

Lastly we might not have the same history as Lebanon but we basketball is very popular in DR and we love it...the thing is that baseball is bigger than life in DR and it would overshadow any other sport. This Dominican team would be a huge attraction to Fiba and why in the world would you guys want to invite a Lebanon team that has no chance of beating this DR team and nonetheless be able to win a single game at the World Championship. Is that expanding basketball? Bringing a country that will only be humiliated agaisnt all the other team is not fun and I mean no disrespect but this Lebanon team is not ready for the tournament. Thay also had their opportunity and they lost it twice to the main teams so enough with the complaints. They lost to China and Jordan twice so that shows they couldn't compete with the good ones in a weak tournament and nonetheless will they do well in the WC.

[rtk04]

Is funny how much hate we get from our Puerto Rican neighbors like (Cardenales here). Now while I agree that Lebanon deserves a spot as well, and I hope DR and Lenanon get one...here is the reason why I think DR deserves it.

Like the person from BRazil said, we played in far more competitive tournament, and anyone else can comment on this point but I think the only dissapointment was that lost to Canada. We were beating Brazil until the last quarter when we lost Villanueva and Horfrd to fouls...it would have made it closer but Brazil earned the win. Against Argentina I was very upset... they beat us by 2 in over time where Scola played with 4 fouls for like two quarters and that man got all the call from the refs against DR and PR. Agaisnt PR we lost but it was a great game so none of the top teams can say they just run over DR. With that being said we have 3 NBA players, the team now knows each other more and our weakness can be fixed by getting Edgar Sosa to be our point guard.

Also Garcia did criticize some of the organizers of the DR team but he never said he wouldn't play he said that the Kings might tell him not to but I doubt he would stay out of Fiba works with DR to make sure that they get a wild card.

Al Horford and Charlie Villanueva both said they would play again in the World Championship.

Lastly we might not have the same history as Lebanon but we basketball is very popular in DR and we love it...the thing is that baseball is bigger than life in DR and it would overshadow any other sport. This Dominican team would be a huge attraction to Fiba and why in the world would you guys want to invite a Lebanon team that has no chance of beating this DR team and nonetheless be able to win a single game at the World Championship. Is that expanding basketball? Bringing a country that will only be humiliated agaisnt all the other team is not fun and I mean no disrespect but this Lebanon team is not ready for the tournament. Thay also had their opportunity and they lost it twice to the main teams so enough with the complaints. They lost to China and Jordan twice so that shows they couldn't compete with the good ones in a weak tournament and nonetheless will they do well in the WC.

ok man december 13 will decide....we beat before teams such as france and venezuela which was 3rd in fiba america...please can u give me what villaneva horvord and garcia average in points in the nba?....bcz china has many nba players and we always play close with them

[Lewis]

ok man december 13 will decide....we beat before teams such as france and venezuela which was 3rd in fiba america...please can u give me what villaneva horvord and garcia average in points in the nba?....bcz china has many nba players and we always play close with them

LOL do you even know what "MANY" means :D:D

[planaria]

Come one...move on about the victory over the France (who was never a consistent team, BTW). It was wonderful, but you couldnt play that card for ever.

It was not like Lebanon is a former world champion or something like it. A year ago.

If you want to play always "last results" cards, just look it:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/6250/sid/4508/_/2008_FIBA_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament_for_Men/statistic.html

Honestly, I really doubt that Lebanon would beat Rep. Dominican right now. But that is just my opinion.

[Lewis]

If you want to play always "last results" cards, just look it:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/6250/sid/4508/_/2008_FIBA_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament_for_Men/statistic.html

Honestly, I really doubt that Lebanon would beat Rep. Dominican right now. But that is just my opinion.

WOW that one hurt, and against a Brazilian B-C team

ouch !!!!!!!!!!

[rtk04]

LOL do you even know what "MANY" means :D:D

here goes the "lol" guy...many is more than 2 right???? sun yue - jian lian - wang zhizhi...

[rtk04]

Come one...move on about the victory over the France (who was never a consistent team, BTW). It was wonderful, but you couldnt play that card for ever.

It was not like Lebanon is a former world champion or something like it. A year ago.

If you want to play always "last results" cards, just look it:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/6250/sid/4508/_/2008_FIBA_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament_for_Men/statistic.html

Honestly, I really doubt that Lebanon would beat Rep. Dominican right now. But that is just my opinion.

smart guy from brazil...that pre olympic tournament was not our goal...we had many injuries and we played only to be there :)

[planaria]

Another points is that due the weak level of Asia Tournament, Lebanon ALWAYS has a shot of be between the 3 first places, even if they dont have their best generation of basketball players.

The same doesnt happen in Americas. Just look to Uruguay. They have maybe their best basketball generation ever with players like Esteban Batista, Garcia Morales, Osimani. A team that would always fight for a medal in Asis...and the max that they reach is the 6th or 7th place in Americas.

The same happen with the Rep. Dominican. They had the great Jose Vargas (at least at same level of a player like Hamed Haddadi) and never could reach nothing.

[planaria]

smart guy from brazil...that pre olympic tournament was not our goal...we had many injuries and we played only to be there :)

Maybe. But just look for our roster, too. We were missing Leandro Barbosa and Anderson Varejão, when it compared with the team who had a hard time against Rep. Dominicana...

;)

[rtk04]

Another points is that due the weak level of Asia Tournament, Lebanon ALWAYS has a shot of be between the 3 first places, even if they dont have their best generation of basketball players.

The same doesnt happen in Americas. Just look to Uruguay. They have maybe their best basketball generation ever with players like Esteban Batista, Garcia Morales, Osimani. A team that would always fight for a medal in Asis...and the max that they reach is the 6th or 7th place in Americas.

The same happen with the Rep. Dominican. They had the great Jose Vargas (at least at same level of a player like Hamed Haddadi) and never could reach nothing.

ok man can brazil-uruguay or other team except "usa-argentina" qualify from europe????????
i hope you got my point...what i mean to say is that every team is in the place it is already in...

[rtk04]

Maybe. But just look for our roster, too. We were missing Leandro Barbosa and Anderson Varejão, when it compared with the team who had a hard time against Rep. Dominicana...

;)

ok man first of all brazil is 150 million or more ....lebanon is 3 million...got my point???? so dont feel that you are superior in the level of intelligence to have 3 competitive teams

[Fedfan]

yes,but no matter who's stronger a lot depends on marketing issues.And I can see Lebanon winning this WC over D.Rep on this account.

[planaria]

ok man first of all brazil is 150 million or more ....lebanon is 3 million...got my point???? so dont feel that you are superior in the level of intelligence to have 3 competitive teams

I didnt say that. Im just saying that right now, Rep. Dominicana should play the WC, because they do have a competitive team.

Actually, its a shame that there´s this wild card stuff. It should be one more spot to Americas, three more spots to Europe and one more to Asia (getting a spot from Oceania AND making both Australia and New Zeland play in FIBA Asia).

That is my opinion...

[Lewis]

here goes the "lol" guy...many is more than 2 right???? sun yue - jian lian - wang zhizhi...

Wang Zhizhi is not an NBA player anymore (as a matter of fact he never was, he was just a bench warmer)

so using your own logic you could also say that The Dominican Rep. has not only 3 but 7 nba players including Luis Flores, Sammy Mejia, Felipe Lopez, and Ariza, and I could even count the retired Dominican players that played in the NBA before, as well.

See how it's not logic at all now ;)

[Mindozas]

ok man can brazil-uruguay or other team except "usa-argentina" qualify from europe????????
i hope you got my point...what i mean to say is that every team is in the place it is already in...

Why are you putting Europe into this discussion? Teams like Brasil or PR surely would have chance to compete for tickets to WC in Europe, have no doubt about it. Hard to say smth about DR in this case, cause they has potential, but lacks chemistry badly, it was their first year with almost best possible line-up, but they did really good and could be really competitive team in WC.
If wildcards would be given to better teams, IMO surely DR would be the one, which would get it, but we know that there are other criterias where f.e. Lebanon has advantage, so Lebanon has a chance too. I'm not goin' to guess, what will FIBA do tough

[Mindozas]

Actually, its a shame that there´s this wild card stuff. It should be one more spot to Americas, three more spots to Europe and one more to Asia (getting a spot from Oceania AND making both Australia and New Zeland play in FIBA Asia).

That is my opinion...

Totally agree here

[daniab]

please guys let's end this mess.
December 13th will decide the four teams and hopefully our beloved national team will get a one but who knows? everything's possible!
I truly like the Dominican team and i hope they will get an invitation.

Again,our hopes are not based on our strengths or level,its more based on the criteria which Lebanon is suitable for it.
Our team is really good,just need more time and i guess we'll be good/at least not a weak team in the tournament.

[khaledlebanon]

I think we can do well in WC for sure a team who won 2 games in Wc 2006 and was so close to reach 2nd round... this team had Fadi alkhatib - Rony Fahed - Ali mahmoud ( now he is even better ) - Brian Bshara and Vogel who was 33 years old ...
now we have the same team plus Matt Freiji the x-nba who is still 27 years old, Vroman x-nba who replaced Vogel and he is 28 years old.. and Daniel faris(206 cm) and Ali kanan (206cm)whom are two promising centers and just 22 years old... plus Bassil bawji ( 204 cm) just 19 years old... i think this team that we have is the best in asia but the problem was the Chemisrty ( we had the worst chemistry in last tourament) cuz we didn't prepare with full squad.. some players like mat and daniel joined the NT before 2 weeks from the asian tournament and they haven't ever played with the NT before .. now for the WC 2010 if we get a wild card we will have a good team who can reach the second round.. cuz we just need to have chemistry and the federation is gonig to put a good schedule for preparation of the NT from now.. plus matt, omar krayem and bassil bawji will play in the lebanese league so this will help alot to increase the chemistry and get to know the other lebanese players more...

[WIZARD]

WOW those topics about DR vs lebanon , and the lebanese wild card wont end now would it??:D anyway i think lebanon has a better chance getting one of those cards according to their history in the past 10 years in their qualifing zone and reaching WC twice..and filling the rest of the criteria
but just to be frank here i see DR team beating the crap out of Lebanon China iran jordan all combined heheheh ok maybe thats too much ,,but seriously they would be able to handle top asian teams with no problem..not to forget that american zone is far better than the asian 1.

[nojodas47]

I agree with the last post is true they have more history than us in the past 10 years. But the person 100 percent correct here is the guy from Brazil, I don't want to say that teams from Asia are weak but in general Americas is much stronger. Now I have said this a million times in this post already...If Fiba wants to make the sport expand even more than why discourage these NBA players that are now committing to DR by not inviting them when they have a competitive team...Isn't that the point they played well enough against great teams...I mean Brazil, PR and Argentina just have an extremely long history and for DR to go toe to toe with each team in the first year with little chemistry deserves some respect. Lebanon as their people say has always been a basketball nation so basketball won't die...in DR baseball is by far more important but basketball is big and growing so lets push that movement now that they have the best team that can compete in a WC, lets give the young Dominican basketball fans something to look up to if they keep playing ball.

One last thing...the guy from Brazil just makes a lot of sense with his stuff...I mean I agree why the hell should Australia and New Z. get 2 spots when they don't even get to be challenged that ridiculous. DR and Lebanon would do much better in a WC that devides the wild cards with 1 American, 1 Asia and 3 Europe as my caribbean brother here said.

[karim]

last time DR was in WBC was back in 1978 and i saw that they have never reached an americas championship semifinal !! i dont even know how they are as good as 26th when it comes to FIBA rankings which is still worse than lebanon but they should be back in the 40s with their results its not like the americas championship is europe where a team is good even if it has never made the semifinal and in the end theres a better chance of 5 teams from americas and 4 from asia , than 6 and 3 cuz like i said the americas championship is not europe to have twice as many countries there as asia and from what i saw this year the americas are not much better than asia ...asia has really gotten better with 6 good teams now 3 of them able to beat china like iran did in the final and im sure asia is now atleast better than africa anyone from these top 6 asia teams(the top 4,korea and taiwan) can beat cote d'ivoire or tunisia ....in the americas u have USA and argentine which are 2 of the best in the world than brazil and PR which are under average compared to other world caliber countries as both didnt reach the olympics when they were at the pre olympics and both lost in the 1st round of WBC 2006 .....5th and onwards in americas the teams suck unless canada get their NBA players so DR did not achieve anything by coming in 5th and finish ahead of countries like panama and uruguay who should,ve won that game against DR but the ref was a bit biased there ....

[nojodas47]

Karim you have to be by far the most retarted fiba fan in the world to make the comments that you just made about only US and Argentina being really good and PR and BRA not being as good as European teams because of 2006. Listen idiot just like you said about history, before you talk about BRA, PR and other countries look at their history. Lebanon is garbage and your asian teams will never be as good as the Americas, and to finish things up for you dumb comments if DR sucks by coming 5th and Uruguay as well for being 6th and both teams can destroy the piece of shit team from Lebanon what does that tell you about your team. If you insult my team i'll be clear about the garbage you have now...idiot!

[spider]

Karim you have to be by far the most retarted fiba fan in the world to make the comments that you just made about only US and Argentina being really good and PR and BRA not being as good as European teams because of 2006. Listen idiot just like you said about history, before you talk about BRA, PR and other countries look at their history. Lebanon is garbage and your asian teams will never be as good as the Americas, and to finish things up for you dumb comments if DR sucks by coming 5th and Uruguay as well for being 6th and both teams can destroy the piece of shit team from Lebanon what does that tell you about your team. If you insult my team i'll be clear about the garbage you have now...idiot!

no need to be like that... anyway just for facts, your team failed to qualify in 31 years, if you look at panama they qualified in 2006 so they deserve the wild card more than you :p and venezuela the last 2 WC and what did your team do ? with all due respect but you just had 3 nba players surrounded by avg players and you didn't qualify ... so just forget about the 3 nba players pitch to FIBA, it's not like the world championship will be without NBA players, they will have more than 40-50 players from NBA... but you forget this is FIBA and not NBA.

[karim]

Karim you have to be by far the most retarted fiba fan in the world to make the comments that you just made about only US and Argentina being really good and PR and BRA not being as good as European teams because of 2006. Listen idiot just like you said about history, before you talk about BRA, PR and other countries look at their history. Lebanon is garbage and your asian teams will never be as good as the Americas, and to finish things up for you dumb comments if DR sucks by coming 5th and Uruguay as well for being 6th and both teams can destroy the piece of shit team from Lebanon what does that tell you about your team. If you insult my team i'll be clear about the garbage you have now...idiot!

well the stereotype of countries like DR and panama are true in what we see in shows like prison break and family guy im not gonna answer someone like u ..but u just further proved the stereotype given about ur country and before attacking me by talking about my country watch ur words cuz they represent ur country ...all i said was give my opinion(which is true by the way) since we beat venezuala(3rd in americas) last WBC twice in a week the same year u placed in 6th so i have evidence to back up everything i say not just attack people u retarded illiterate loser :) and look at this forum its just u who came to protect his country when i talked about them , if this was DR guy talking about leb in a lebanese forum u would c atleast 500 lebanese replying to him so to take DR as a wildcard is a disaster seeing how they barely have any fans .....

[Tomodachi]

it's too bad that Sacramento Kings didn't let Francisco Garcia play the last game of the last qualifying spot to the world Championship, because Gracia was the best player for the Dominicans, and maybe the best player of the whole tournament, he was the heart and soul of the team.


With Francisco Garcia playing The Dominican would've beaten Canada easily and qualify to the World Championship, Missing Garcia meant missing 20 points per game more. So that being said we all know that The Dominicans qualified to the World Championship Morally due to the fact that Sacramento Kings pulled out Garcia at the last minute and didn't let him play after he had played the rest of the tournament (and dominated it BTW).

Because of this The Dominican Republic, deserve a "WILD CARD" because they didn't qualify because of The Sa-CRAP-mento (I mean, Sacramento) Kings, not because Canada was better.

We all know The Dominican Republic would have won that game against Canada with Garcia with them.

and on top of that, the Refs stole the Dominicans the game against Brazil, when at the last 2 minutes, they sent out all our Big men (Al Horford, Atlanta Hawks, and Charlie Villanueva, Detroit Pistons) with some phantom calls, "A-LA-D.wade"

and the same happened against Argentina, Scola played for the last 2 quaters with 4 fouls (you only need 5 to be out under FIBA Rules) (Scola) pushing everyone, and pulling Al Horford's hand all over the place, and (Scola) was never call of those fouls, and at the end he (Scola) was trhe one who won the game (with the help of the Rfes, of course)

So with all this been said, The Dominican Republic, rightfully deserve a WILD CARD.

Just Imagine that Dominican Team with ow more NBA players like Trevor Ariza, and Sammy Mejia (Detroit Pistons, not in the NBA right now), and a young college prospect like Edgar Sosa (Louiville's Cards) and Other players (all with NCAA experience also) playing in the best European Leagues like: Jose Olivero (France), Jeff Greer(France), Ricky Soliver (France), Sean Ogrii(Spain), other NCAA players like 6'9'' Foward Antonio Pena ,and playmakers Alvin Abreu and Manny Quezada, and a 7 footer player with ACB (Spain) and D-League (NBA developmental League) experiences, Joshua Asselin.

[penzias]

At this point we can asure that Lithuania and whichever team ends 8th in the eurobasket are almost sure bets.

So it will leave Italy, Lebanon, Dominican Rep, Great Britain and Nigeria as main candidates for the other 2 spots.
Really tough decision, depends on what the FIBA wants, use it to reward for past achievements or to promote basketball.
If it were my choice Italy and probably Nigeria would be out of the question.

[Franz]

Teams have to play in the zone's tournament in order to get wildcard.

Italy didn't qualify for Eurobasket, so they're unlikely to get one (though I would love for FIBA to change the rules :D)

[qiangdade]

competition-wise, europe should get all four. or they should expand the tournament. In reality i think it's gonna be top-8 from eurobasket+lith+italy and probably lebanon cause they are also close to turkey which would make the tournament more attractive fans-wise

[-K2-]

it's too bad that Sacramento Kings didn't let Francisco Garcia play the last game of the last qualifying spot to the world Championship, because Gracia was the best player for the Dominicans, and maybe the best player of the whole tournament, he was the heart and soul of the team.


With Francisco Garcia playing The Dominican would've beaten Canada easily and qualify to the World Championship, Missing Garcia meant missing 20 points per game more. So that being said we all know that The Dominicans qualified to the World Championship Morally due to the fact that Sacramento Kings pulled out Garcia at the last minute and didn't let him play after he had played the rest of the tournament (and dominated it BTW).

Because of this The Dominican Republic, deserve a "WILD CARD" because they didn't qualify because of The Sa-CRAP-mento (I mean, Sacramento) Kings, not because Canada was better.

We all know The Dominican Republic would have won that game against Canada with Garcia with them.

and on top of that, the Refs stole the Dominicans the game against Brazil, when at the last 2 minutes, they sent out all our Big men (Al Horford, Atlanta Hawks, and Charlie Villanueva, Detroit Pistons) with some phantom calls, "A-LA-D.wade"

and the same happened against Argentina, Scola played for the last 2 quaters with 4 fouls (you only need 5 to be out under FIBA Rules) (Scola) pushing everyone, and pulling Al Horford's hand all over the place, and (Scola) was never call of those fouls, and at the end he (Scola) was trhe one who won the game (with the help of the Rfes, of course)

So with all this been said, The Dominican Republic, rightfully deserve a WILD CARD.

Just Imagine that Dominican Team with ow more NBA players like Trevor Ariza, and Sammy Mejia (Detroit Pistons, not in the NBA right now), and a young college prospect like Edgar Sosa (Louiville's Cards) and Other players (all with NCAA experience also) playing in the best European Leagues like: Jose Olivero (France), Jeff Greer(France), Ricky Soliver (France), Sean Ogrii(Spain), other NCAA players like 6'9'' Foward Antonio Pena ,and playmakers Alvin Abreu and Manny Quezada, and a 7 footer player with ACB (Spain) and D-League (NBA developmental League) experiences, Joshua Asselin.
lot of talks, no substance, as usual with the DR NT
none of those players would get significant PT
they still have no PG for a tournament of that level
they still have a lousy federation
they would still have no chemistry

[-K2-]

no need to be like that... anyway just for facts, your team failed to qualify in 31 years, if you look at panama they qualified in 2006 so they deserve the wild card more than you :p and venezuela the last 2 WC and what did your team do ? with all due respect but you just had 3 nba players surrounded by avg players and you didn't qualify ... so just forget about the 3 nba players pitch to FIBA, it's not like the world championship will be without NBA players, they will have more than 40-50 players from NBA... but you forget this is FIBA and not NBA.

just to clarify...
3 NBA players
1 really good fiba player
1 average fiba players
7 subpar players
:D

[Dtown]

competition-wise, europe should get all four. or they should expand the tournament. In reality i think it's gonna be top-8 from eurobasket+lith+italy and probably lebanon cause they are also close to turkey which would make the tournament more attractive fans-wise

I disagree with this, once you get past the top 10. I can't with a straight face say that FYROM or Poland are better than say the Dominican Republic or Nigeria. Europe's the deepest region in the world, but they aren't that deep.

As has been said Italy can't get in unless FIBA breaks their own rule to get them in. (Not impossible but I wouldn't say it's likely either).

With that in mind I'll say Lithuania is a lock, Germany would likely get the next one but is only probable. From there it depends on who finishes 8th. If it's Russia yeah they'll probably get it, if it's Croatia they might not.

Really Croatia's only accomplishment this decade was an okay olympics last year. They don't have any big names on the team, they're fans didn't travel well to Poland, what makes people think they will to Turkey? Europe will likely have 9 teams already in the tournament, so it's hard to say they're under represented. I honestly don't see their resume as any better than the Dominican's, or Lebanon (especially Lebanon).

[Franz]

^^^ Yeah, I don't think Croatia will get a wildcard. A Lack of success this decade + a lack of fan support in Eurobasket this year will hurt them considerably.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Great Britain picked ahead of them (big market, famous players, and 2012 Olympics host).

[khaledlebanon]

^^^ Yeah, I don't think Croatia will get a wildcard. A Lack of success this decade + a lack of fan support in Eurobasket this year will hurt them considerably.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Great Britain picked ahead of them (big market, famous players, and 2012 Olympics host).

great Britian getting a wild card will be that most unfair decision ever...
if croatia took th 8th place and didn't get a wild card .. then this wild card must go to a country outside europe .. it can be nigeria, D.R or Lebanon...

[bsgermany]

great Britian getting a wild card will be that most unfair decision ever...
if croatia took th 8th place and didn't get a wild card .. then this wild card must go to a country outside europe .. it can be nigeria, D.R or Lebanon...

sounds like you're completely forgetting, that Europe has countries like Lithuania, Germany and possibly even Italy in the race aside from the 8th place finisher. I couldn't think of any team in Asia or Africa that would come even close to deserving it more than any of the above mentioned.
Anything less than three wildcards to Europe would be a really bad joke.

[planaria]

Isnt there a rule that dont let more than 3 wild cards to countries from the same continent? I think I read it in somewhere...

[WIZARD]

if it was for me..and if i was the head of the FIBA i will skip all those rules about the wild card and the criteria and give europe the 4 cards with out hesitation

[rtk04]

if it was for me..and if i was the head of the FIBA i will skip all those rules about the wild card and the criteria and give europe the 4 cards with out hesitation

man dont be blind..
ok there are 9-10 teams in Europe that deserve to be in world cup...
Can u please Name the 11th please???

[khaledlebanon]

if it was for me..and if i was the head of the FIBA i will skip all those rules about the wild card and the criteria and give europe the 4 cards with out hesitation

???????? are u serious then we must call this tournament euroamerica or some thing like this ????? this is a tournament that nations from all over the world come all play in ... it's the world cup... we already have a tournament that is called eurobasket... plus, europe already have 7 countries and with 2 wild cards they will have 9 ... 9/24 is enough...
if we u asked me about the wild cards rule i think it is stupid ...
fiba must increase the number of countries from each continent in this way :

europe 9 countries
america 6 countries
asia/oceania 6 countries
africa 3 countries

*the host must play in his zone to qualify to WC

i think if newzealand and australia join asia like in football this will be the best for both continents ... cuz it's not fair that australia and newzealand play in WC without playing any match.. plus the level in asia will increase...

this my opinion and it's fair i think ...

[Dtown]

I'm sorry but if you think Poland or FYROM (especially FYROM who were in the weakest groups at Eurobasket) deserve a wild card more than Nigeria, Dominican Republic, or Lebanon without question (key words here are without question) you haven't been watching many tournaments.

On Great Britain, I think it's doubtful. Why? FIBA hasn't even said for certain if Great Britain will be allowed to be the host team at their own Olympic games. If FIBA has that little faith in their organization, FIBA suddenly pulling a 180 and giving them a wild card would be odd. Of course this is FIBA, odd and infuriating decisions is kind of their thing.

[Mindozas]

On Great Britain, I think it's doubtful. Why? FIBA hasn't even said for certain if Great Britain will be allowed to be the host team at their own Olympic games. If FIBA has that little faith in their organization, FIBA suddenly pulling a 180 and giving them a wild card would be odd. Of course this is FIBA, odd and infuriating decisions is kind of their thing.

FIBA said that if GB will qualify to any of Eurobaskets before Olympics (2009 or 2011), they'll be able to participate as a hosts. They did it, so there's no questions left regarding this issue

[rtk04]

FIBA said that if GB will qualify to any of Eurobaskets before Olympics (2009 or 2011), they'll be able to participate as a hosts. They did it, so there's no questions left regarding this issue

yes...what a great achievement to reach one of the EUROs...who did they beat in the qualifications?

[Mindozas]

???????? are u serious then we must call this tournament euroamerica or some thing like this ????? this is a tournament that nations from all over the world come all play in ... it's the world cup... we already have a tournament that is called eurobasket... plus, europe already have 7 countries and with 2 wild cards they will have 9 ... 9/24 is enough...

Imagine what a neutral viewer would like to see more? Some egzotic countries, which will lose badly or better mid-level european team, which atleast will be competitive enough to give a fight? I'd guess you know the answer.
I don't buy your argument, that this is World Championship and there should be countries from all over the world. So isn't it like that already? I think WC should be with strong and competitive teams as much as it is possible, it's not Olympics, where f.e. some swimmers or skiers from egzotic countries participates, just for sake of participation.



fiba must increase the number of countries from each continent in this way :

europe 9 countries
america 6 countries
asia/oceania 6 countries
africa 3 countries

*the host must play in his zone to qualify to WC

i think if newzealand and australia join asia like in football this will be the best for both continents ... cuz it's not fair that australia and newzealand play in WC without playing any match.. plus the level in asia will increase...

this my opinion and it's fair i think ...

I agree with you that wildcards should gone and FIBA must divide last spots to continets, also agree that Asia should be connected with aussies and NZ. But I disagree with the way you distribute spots. First of all, hosts should get it no matter what, they don't have to participate in any qualifiers, the same goes for Olympics champions. Also you say that Oceania gets two places for free, but according to you, when they'll join Asia, FIBA Asia are getting another one spot? C'mon, where's the logic? Now you have 5 spots per Asia/Oceania and if you connect the zones with goal to decrease the spots for one of them, you either lower common spots, either keep the same, so 4 or 5. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense. But without wildcards, you can have 5, but no way it could be 6.

I see it this way:

Asia/Oceania - 5
Africa - 3
Americas - 6
Europe - 10

[Franz]

yes...what a great achievement to reach one of the EUROs...who did they beat in the qualifications?

It doesn't really matter who they beat or how they finished (e.g. Turkey, Italy, and Serbia in Eurobasket 2005 - became wildcards but didn't finish in top 8.)

FIBA decides by market, history, and future potential. By no means do I think Great Britain deserves to be there but FIBA is the one running the show. If they could add Great Britain to 2010 WC, it would almost certainly open a new front in basketball.

[Mindozas]

yes...what a great achievement to reach one of the EUROs...who did they beat in the qualifications?

No need to be ironic here. I'm not sure if Lebanon would have an easy task to qualify to Eurobasket

[Lewis]

fiba must increase the number of countries from each continent in this way :

europe 9 countries
america 6 countries
asia/oceania 6 countries
africa 3 countries

*the host must play in his zone to qualify to WC


Please, please, please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just tell me you said it for the "LOL's" :eek::eek::eek:

Asia 6 spot, are you High :confused: I mean, 6
yes, it's true Oceania and Asia be joined but, why the heck would you even do that if you are incraseing the number of qualified teams to "6" for god's sake !!!!!!!!:D:D:D, Asia/Oceania combined should have NO more that 4 spot, that's it. Its a known fact that the level of competition in Asia Sucks as hell, so no way in the World that the Wold Championship is gonna have 6 MEDIOCRE teams from Asia, even with New Zeland and Australia among those teams ;)

An on top of that you really Consider Africa an infieor zone, since :confused:, C'mon Now :rolleyes:

If it were for me, the WC would be like this:
- Europe 9
- Americas 7
- Asia/Ociania 4
- Africa 3
- and The Olympic Champ

(Note: and the host must be an already qualified team for that year's Championship)
and no wild card obviously

[Dtown]

FIBA said that if GB will qualify to any of Eurobaskets before Olympics (2009 or 2011), they'll be able to participate as a hosts. They did it, so there's no questions left regarding this issue

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/basketball/6161131/FIBA-must-allow-Great-Britain-to-play-in-2012-basketball-event.html

To sum up the article there apparently forces in FIBA who don't agree with Britain's automatic bid, and as a result the Brits haven't received confirmation on their hosting yet.

[Mindozas]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/basketball/6161131/FIBA-must-allow-Great-Britain-to-play-in-2012-basketball-event.html

To sum up the article there apparently forces in FIBA who don't agree with Britain's automatic bid, and as a result the Brits haven't received confirmation on their hosting yet.

Hmmm, I didn't read articles in that site and from that author before, so I might be wrong, but it seems more like personal view or some blog, but not serious article. I don't see why author starts to panic about this written confirmation, kinda hard to believe that FIBA will break own word (or maybe there're even some official documents signed) and start to manipulate about this issue, I don't want to believe it somehow, but as I said, I might be wrong of course.

[rtk04]

No need to be ironic here. I'm not sure if Lebanon would have an easy task to qualify to Eurobasket

we can be in the top 10 in Eurupe...

[khaledlebanon]

Please, please, please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just tell me you said it for the "LOL's" :eek::eek::eek:

Asia 6 spot, are you High :confused: I mean, 6
yes, it's true Oceania and Asia be joined but, why the heck would you even do that if you are incraseing the number of qualified teams to "6" for god's sake !!!!!!!!:D:D:D, Asia/Oceania combined should have NO more that 4 spot, that's it. Its a known fact that the level of competition in Asia Sucks as hell, so no way in the World that the Wold Championship is gonna have 6 MEDIOCRE teams from Asia, even with New Zeland and Australia among those teams ;)

An on top of that you really Consider Africa an infieor zone, since :confused:, C'mon Now :rolleyes:

If it were for me, the WC would be like this:
- Europe 9
- Americas 7
- Asia/Ociania 4
- Africa 3
- and The Olympic Champ

(Note: and the host must be an already qualified team for that year's Championship)
and no wild card obviously

if not 6 then at least it will be 5 if newzealand and australia joined asia..
7 for america ?????????

6 will be more than enough...

and why should u let the olympic champion join Wc directly.. i think it's is unfair.. cuz WC is different than Olympic games...

[spider]

first of all there isn't any GB in basketball, its only under this name because they have this in olympics, scotland and wales, n.ireland doesn't play in olympics, even england doesnt play as england in olympics. so it should be strictly for olympic games NT, i think also the fiba europe must say that they should be separated from each other as individual NTs. just like x-yugoslavian teams or soviet teams. btw in england theres no chance this sport will be big, there's no bb culture in england,so fiba should try to promote this game where it's already in progression wether its countries or zones, and england isn't one of these places. they have football and rugby , their main sports. no market for bb in england.

edit:

i just saw that wales and scotland plays in C division already, so the GB thing is not going to stay for too long.

[Dtown]

And why should u let the olympic champion join Wc directly.. i think it's is unfair.. cuz WC is different than Olympic games...

Because the WC champion qualifies to Olympics directly. FIBA considers those the biggest tournaments, and as such doesn't want any chance the champion of one misses the other.

[Mindozas]

we can be in the top 10 in Eurupe...

:eek: how did you come to such conclusions? The last time I remember Lebanon against european team was last year against Greece, 4th team from Eurobasket'07, you lost by ~60pts. Such pts differences or even close to it, were hardly seen in any lasts Eurobaskets, even if strong favorites plays against outsiders

[rtk04]

:eek: how did you come to such conclusions? The last time I remember Lebanon against european team was last year against Greece, 4th team from Eurobasket'07, you lost by ~60pts. Such pts differences or even close to it, were hardly seen in any lasts Eurobaskets, even if strong favorites plays against outsiders

for the 100th time...i wil say that the pre-olympics was not our goal...we didnt even practice and we went without some key players...why cant you mention that we beat the bronze medalist of Europe in 2006...
For example in the preolympics korea lost only by 8 to slovenia and lost to canada only by 2...lebanon beat korea twice this suummer..one of the games we beat korea by 27...so you cant see it that way
By the way man although i respect the lithuanian history in basketball...You talk too much for a team that nearly lost all of their games in the Euro tournament

[Mindozas]

for the 100th time...i wil say that the pre-olympics was not our goal...we didnt even practice and we went without some key players...why cant you mention that we beat the bronze medalist of Europe in 2006...
For example in the preolympics korea lost only by 8 to slovenia and lost to canada only by 2...lebanon beat korea twice this suummer..one of the games we beat korea by 27...so you cant see it that way
By the way man although i respect the lithuanian history in basketball...You talk too much for a team that nearly lost all of their games in the Euro tournament

Oh c'mon, I'm not tryin' to show disrespect to your NT or smth, so don't feel offended ;) and there's no need to strike back and to put Lithuania in this discussion, cause we both know that it has nothing to do with it, but I can admit that we're playin' shitty, but I'm not looking for excuses, we must had play much better even without our main stars and we're where we belong this year.
Regarding my previous post, I was reffering to latest results, not those 3 years ago, cause times are changing, but you have to admit that that win against France was really huge surprise and you can't play with this card that long ;) Sorry man, but I still don't believe that Lebanon would make it to top10 in Europe. In current Eurobasket your team would have chance to get into next round (top12), but it would take hell of the job for you to do so. In 13-16 places are teams like Israel, Latvia, Bulgaria, GB... I'm not sure that your team is better than them.

[byblos]

:eek: how did you come to such conclusions? The last time I remember Lebanon against european team was last year against Greece, 4th team from Eurobasket'07, you lost by ~60pts. Such pts differences or even close to it, were hardly seen in any lasts Eurobaskets, even if strong favorites plays against outsiders

many key players didn't play due to injuries plus joe vogel had a serious injury in a friendly game in canada,such things made our team play in a messy way

[daniab]

For the Lebanese posters,enough posting useless replies.Khalas our message is sent and everyone is free to express his opinion abt this subject weither its with or against inviting Lebanon so move on and wait till December 13th.
Technically our situation is not good compared to Europe but basing on the criteria made by the Fiba our situation is very good.

[karim]

europeans will not understand when they see us saying that we lost by so much because we missed some key players and repy by saying even if they had some injuries they wouldnt lose by so much simply because lebanon is not deep at all compared to euro teams but our 1st 7 players can compete with many euro teams and can definitely beat the teams in euro that did not qualify to the 1/8 finals like macedonia and poland this im sure of . for example in the preolympics when we lost by 57 to greece and 40 to brazil if we had vogel the diff in those games would probably be 30 and 15 , the reason is vogel(at the time) was the only center at 211cm our 2nd center was ali f at 202 ...and brian beshara was forced to play at 4 when is definitely a wingman and he is a very skinny 204 and ROY was forced to play more minutes than he should cuz of vogels injury so this was a major blow to leb especially that they are aready short compared to other teams even with vogel and in these 2 games they werent outmatched that much in terms of talent especially against brazil but could not get more than 10 defensive rebounds the whole game so maybe this will help u understand like if u put chris paul,baren davis,kirk hinrich,kobe bryant and dwayne wade the same thing would,ve happened to them....this year our team is much better and deeper under the basket but is missing a legitimate center ...overall we are taller with vroman and freijeh(both ex nba players) at 208 under the basket and ali kanaan(206) and daniel faris(205) off the bench and beshara on the small forward(204) so now even though we are missing a true center like what we had with vogel we are taller and deeper so any injury to any key player there would not affect us as much as before ....if leb can get julian kazzouh the australian lebanese center than vroman and freijeh can move to their original spots and we can have a much better team....but watching the euro teams i can assure everyone that if leb get invited for the wbc and start practicing from now they can be a much better competitior than teams like DR and the euro teams who are worse than 8th like poland,macedonia,great britain and bulgharia ......

[byblos]

europeans will not understand when they see us saying that we lost by so much because we missed some key players and repy by saying even if they had some injuries they wouldnt lose by so much simply because lebanon is not deep at all compared to euro teams but our 1st 7 players can compete with many euro teams and can definitely beat the teams in euro that did not qualify to the 1/8 finals like macedonia and poland this im sure of . for example in the preolympics when we lost by 57 to greece and 40 to brazil if we had vogel the diff in those games would probably be 30 and 15 , the reason is vogel(at the time) was the only center at 211cm our 2nd center was ali f at 202 ...and brian beshara was forced to play at 4 when is definitely a wingman and he is a very skinny 204 and ROY was forced to play more minutes than he should cuz of vogels injury so this was a major blow to leb especially that they are aready short compared to other teams even with vogel and in these 2 games they werent outmatched that much in terms of talent especially against brazil but could not get more than 10 defensive rebounds the whole game so maybe this will help u understand like if u put chris paul,baren davis,kirk hinrich,kobe bryant and dwayne wade the same thing would,ve happened to them....this year our team is much better and deeper under the basket but is missing a legitimate center ...overall we are taller with vroman and freijeh(both ex nba players) at 208 under the basket and ali kanaan(206) and daniel faris(205) off the bench and beshara on the small forward(204) so now even though we are missing a true center like what we had with vogel we are taller and deeper so any injury to any key player there would not affect us as much as before ....if leb can get julian kazzouh the australian lebanese center than vroman and freijeh can move to their original spots and we can have a much better team....but watching the euro teams i can assure everyone that if leb get invited for the wbc and start practicing from now they can be a much better competitior than teams like DR and the euro teams who are worse than 8th like poland,macedonia,great britain and bulgharia ......

100% true

[Mindozas]

I simply don't know what to think after reading this stuff again. It's either some of you guys (not all Lebanese of course) are so blindly biased about your NT, that you simply ignoring everything that might be negative regarding your NT and writing the same excuses again and again. Seems like other NTs couldn't find them and are perfect everytime they play against you... Sometimes seems like you just can't admit your own mistakes. Or you simply lack more and deeper information and knowledge about international bball outside Asia. I mean more than some bigger NTs names and some star players. Asian and European bball has lot of differences and in some ways it even can't be compared.

Personally, I'm not against Lebanon getting wildcard and playin' in WC. Once I said, that I admire all countries, where bball is No.1 like in Lithuania and only because of that it'd be good to see their NTs playin' in WC, but sometimes that can't be enough, that's it. We'll see what will happen this time, but don't be too surprised if you will be left out, cause race is close.
Good luck to you on 13th of December and try to be more objective

[karim]

i wont be surprised if they dont pick us cuz even though i know we should get a wildcard i also know we most probably wont get it and i,ve been watching bball since 1997 ever since i was 11 yrs old so i am sure of everything i say and everything is backed up by facts and well meditated ideas its not like i started watching bball this year

[Franz]

I honestly think having Jordan in Turkey will be enough for FIBA.

Anyways, I predict this is what the final 24 teams will look like.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/607/easycapture1n.jpg

[karim]

no no 6 teams from the americas is too much + DR SAAAAAAAAAAACK ....remove that false table from here

[Flexo]

no no 6 teams from the americas is too much + DR SAAAAAAAAAAACK ....remove that false table from here

That table is awesome.
DR is a very quality team and one of the most talented teams in the tournament...they're loaded with NBA talent and potential, FIBA needs DR in the tournament.


Canada, PR, Brasil, and Argentina will always be in the tournament as quality B level teams, Canada is a C level team tho.

Stop hating.

[nojodas47]

Karim I hope you are following your own ideas about that the character you show here represents your country as well cause I never attacked you until you talked shit about DR in your post. I also never insulted your people and you started talking about stereotypes and calling me an illiterate. I'm far from one and I'm sure people from Lebanon have more class than your stupid ass. Enjoy attacking DR like you always do because when we get invited and you don't the only thing that will be left for you to do is come in here and write your winy ass to sleep about how you can't believe Lebanon didn't get invited. Much respect to Lebanon but Karim you are a low life that can be happy I wasn't around when you tried to call my people stupid cause I would've made you eat your own shit.

[karim]

ur the 1 who attacked 1st u idiot after i just gave my opinion about the difference between basketball in DR and leb so go back and check ur info b4 talking , either u r retarded or ur a handicap :p and i wont write more than 4 lines cuz u dont deserve more :)

[WIZARD]

ur the 1 who attacked 1st u idiot after i just gave my opinion about the difference between basketball in DR and leb so go back and check ur info b4 talking , either u r retarded or ur a handicap :p and i wont write more than 4 lines cuz u dont deserve more :)

would u plz stop ur nonsense already!!!for the love of God damn it man..you r pissing off every 1 in his forum with ur retard posts and opinions u dont understand bbal and u come here and post like a 6 years old kid just get a grip damn it.....ma 7ad khalsan mn lsanak!!! u attack every country and every nation from jordan to china to iran to DR and who knows,,maybe in your next posts u will start attaking spain serbia france and the whole EU!!
lak sho hada kabra 3a khazoo2? why u think ur better than any 1 else or to be accurate why u think ur team is better than the rest of the teams that advanced already to WC fair and squer be a mature and stop ur childish coments and talk bbal for once ...

[Lewis]

ur the 1 who attacked 1st u idiot after i just gave my opinion about the difference between basketball in DR and leb so go back and check ur info b4 talking , either u r retarded or ur a handicap :p and i wont write more than 4 lines cuz u dont deserve more :)

can you please stop bitching around already.

none of us is to blame for your frustrations, due to your team's failure.

you can't just come here and start crying, insulting, and talking shit coz Lebanon lost.

and what does Panama even have anything to do with this discussion. Why do you have to insulting Panamanians :confused::confused: and start talking crap about their culture :confused::confused:(like you actually know it),if no one from Panama has even come here to this thread an post anything. Do you even know any Panamanian:confused:, I mean, from what I know I can say you are a terrorisit just base on the fact that you are arab, but I'm not like you, I don't generalized

you're just a brat little baby, I don't know if wherever was it that you where grew up, people always go around insulting each other, talking shit, and treating each others like vugar animals, but (at least) where I come people | Respect each other's opinions whether we like them or not, no one has to agree with you, its their right (but I guess you don't even know what that is) not to do so. So stop this stupid nonessential argument of yours and start respecting every freacking body's opinion. THIS IS A FREE WORLD....

and if you insult somebody, don't get offended afterwards coz they insult you back, that's what people when get offended (besides you deserve it)

Can't you guys just learn how to lose like a freaking "MAN' :confused::confused::confused:

is that so hard to do :confused::confused::confused:

Ever since you lost to China and thus didn't qualify for the World ChampionShip some of you (rtk04, RAWAD, and you ) have been bragging about how much your team should've won and how much everybody else suck, including China, Iran, Nigeria and Jordan, all of those teams beat the hell out of you last you guys met. and Then you pull the "we beat France ONCE (but guess what no one and I repeat, cares if you beat France only ONE FREAKING, especialy if that's all you've accomplished against quality teams, reality is you have your chance to qualify and you "BLEW IT")", and start making excuses of why your team have played so awful lately like: (we didn't have all our players, we did't have chemestry, we dind't practice enough, the Ref stole the game from us, we didn't this, we didn't that) Blah, Blah, Blah Blah, Bla, Blah

Enough already !!!!!!!!!! you guys are making all of us SICK
every time I see you guys talking about the same thing over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over IT MAKES ME WANNA PUKE.

you lost to China not once but twice !!!! Get over it already, they were better than you, they have always been, THAT"S WHY YOU ARE NOT IN TURKEY!!!!!!!!!! now start taking it like a man and learn to handle that.

[samer_1_2]

sounds like you're completely forgetting, that Europe has countries like Lithuania, Germany and possibly even Italy in the race aside from the 8th place finisher. I couldn't think of any team in Asia or Africa that would come even close to deserving it more than any of the above mentioned.
Anything less than three wild cards to Europe would be a really bad joke.

Fiba might not give to Europe more than two wild cards.. Remember Fiba gave three spots last time to Europe.. So we cannot know if this time how they distribute the spots..
To be fair Europe should take minimum 2- Lithuania Germany &Or Russia
Asia 1 max -- Lebanon
America 1 max --- Dominican Rep.

[karim]

1st of all lewis and wizard the guy attacked me 1st all i said was DR have never ever been to an americas semi final in their life so i attacked him back i dont no what leb has to do with this ....2nd of all wizard i know u like 2 of the other jordanians here pretend to be nice guys but iinside ur so happy that jordan have finally beaten lebanon after like 5 years of practice LOL, paying palma over 4 million dollars during the time and getting verbally abused from him every single game and who knows maybe physicly in pratice :p in the end in this last decade all the teams who tried to be at the WBC were able to qualify like qatar,leb,iran,china,japan...the only difference is that jordan trained for 5 years the others for 5 days especially leb and qatar so to be able to come in 3rd after 5 years of practice does not make u a good team , it makes u a bad team who were so well trained that they were finally able to reach their maximum potentiol(a shitty bronze medal in asia)..if they werent able to qualify this year it would,ve been a disaster cuz teams like taiwan and kazakhaztan were going to qualify and jordan would still be training until 2018 to try being at the WBC . At the WBC Jordan are going to be raped on the court by euro teams and on the sideline by palma look how tough he was in their games against UAE and kazakhaztan imagine how much pissed he,de be when they are losing by 50 to teams like solvenia and turkey ......and lastly im entitled to my opinion so wizard why dont u get off my back and go vomit or something so u can feel better about yout life haha :p Lebanon will be there as a wildcard(this will show lebanon is way ahead of jordan in basketball worldwide) imagine if jordan had to face china in the bronze medal like they were supposed if not for the ref and didnt qualify would they be given a wildcard ...i think they would be the 200th option after aghanistan and pakistan cuz no1 has heard of zaif al khas and islam abbas :rolleyes: Lebanon will be there to show u how its done and how to win games but i dt think Jordan should be there cuz it would be an embarassment to them and to asia they should just come with an excuse not to go and send japan,taiwan,south korea,qatar or maybe RP in their place it would be much better for them and for asia .....

[Mojado]

I used to have a lot of sympathy for lebanese basketball fans on this board...its all gone now. :mad:

I'm only reading excuses...
daniab is probably the only grown up here, the rest of the Lebanese are behaving like little children.
Hope that changes some day, as I can't read all of that propaganda anymore. December 13 won't end it, I guess.

[marko]

daniab is probably the only grown up here, the rest of the Lebanese are behaving like little children.
.

find 1 post that proves this about me:D:D hehe im kidding .

i do think karim shouldnt have gotten into this thing. I know a lot of posters from lebanon are giving a bad reputation and I also know that some of us look like crying babies for the WC . But, as a matter of fact u dont have the right i guess to say that we're talking abt it "over and over..." . U guys dont know that this is the thing people are talking about in Lebanon !!!! "the talk of the hour":) so it's normal.
no excuses for losses no excuses for blowing our chances no nothing.


cheers m8s

[RAWAD]

I used to have a lot of sympathy for lebanese basketball fans on this board...its all gone now. :mad:

I'm only reading excuses...
daniab is probably the only grown up here, the rest of the Lebanese are behaving like little children.
Hope that changes some day, as I can't read all of that propaganda anymore. December 13 won't end it, I guess.

My Mexican friend, I love Mexico, I love Guadalajara, I love Cancun and Mexican beer, I love mexican girls and my love will stand forever. The most important is that my love will stand even after a fight with a Mexican fool.

My friend, please do not evaluate the lebanese basketball according to a couple of posts from one lebanese forumer.
CHEERS!!!

[WIZARD]

1st of all lewis and wizard the guy attacked me 1st all i said was DR have never ever been to an americas semi final in their life so i attacked him back i dont no what leb has to do with this ....2nd of all wizard i know u like 2 of the other jordanians here pretend to be nice guys but iinside ur so happy that jordan have finally beaten lebanon after like 5 years of practice LOL, paying palma over 4 million dollars during the time and getting verbally abused from him every single game and who knows maybe physicly in pratice :p in the end in this last decade all the teams who tried to be at the WBC were able to qualify like qatar,leb,iran,china,japan...the only difference is that jordan trained for 5 years the others for 5 days especially leb and qatar so to be able to come in 3rd after 5 years of practice does not make u a good team , it makes u a bad team who were so well trained that they were finally able to reach their maximum potentiol(a shitty bronze medal in asia)..if they werent able to qualify this year it would,ve been a disaster cuz teams like taiwan and kazakhaztan were going to qualify and jordan would still be training until 2018 to try being at the WBC . At the WBC Jordan are going to be raped on the court by euro teams and on the sideline by palma look how tough he was in their games against UAE and kazakhaztan imagine how much pissed he,de be when they are losing by 50 to teams like solvenia and turkey ......and lastly im entitled to my opinion so wizard why dont u get off my back and go vomit or something so u can feel better about yout life haha :p Lebanon will be there as a wildcard(this will show lebanon is way ahead of jordan in basketball worldwide) imagine if jordan had to face china in the bronze medal like they were supposed if not for the ref and didnt qualify would they be given a wildcard ...i think they would be the 200th option after aghanistan and pakistan cuz no1 has heard of zaif al khas and islam abbas :rolleyes: Lebanon will be there to show u how its done and how to win games but i dt think Jordan should be there cuz it would be an embarassment to them and to asia they should just come with an excuse not to go and send japan,taiwan,south korea,qatar or maybe RP in their place it would be much better for them and for asia .....

Moron :p havent u noticed that every 1 here dislikes you :D..anyway keep posting like that at least u make us laugh

[daniab]

:mad::mad: what a shame!!!!! whats the problems with you guys Rawad and Karim???? i'm ashamed to read your posts :(

I apologize for everyone here,karim for God sake stop.You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same content.
We lost bcz our stupidity,get over it and good luck for the other teams Iran,China and Jordan.
Ur behaving like little kids,you are making all the members here think that we r retarded or whatsoever.
Lebanese are very civilized and knowledgeable,one or two members won't change that.

Thank you all and accept my sincere apology!

[daniab]

Mojado,you are wrong my friend.
Don't judge all the Lebanese by one or two posters whom just appear suddenly.
The best thing you can do guys is by ignoring Karim and his posts,i used to be a friend with him but his posts are no longer funny and acceptable to me.

[byblos]

I used to have a lot of sympathy for lebanese basketball fans on this board...its all gone now. :mad:

I'm only reading excuses...
daniab is probably the only grown up here, the rest of the Lebanese are behaving like little children.
Hope that changes some day, as I can't read all of that propaganda anymore. December 13 won't end it, I guess.

it's all about the fiba's rules
it's unfair to wait a wild card that has no specific criteria,i doubt that the four wild cards will be distributed according to the known criteria.
i think the rules should be changed such that 2 unqualified teams from each continent can participate in a tournament,and the first four qualify for the world cup.it's better than waiting for some countries to pay money,or a political situation or other stuff,which will make fans from all countries mad.why can't they restrict a law similar to that of football,as unqualified teams have another chance?

[RAWAD]

:mad::mad: what a shame!!!!! whats the problems with you guys Rawad and Karim???? i'm ashamed to read your posts :(

I apologize for everyone here,karim for God sake stop.You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same content.
We lost bcz our stupidity,get over it and good luck for the other teams Iran,China and Jordan.
Ur behaving like little kids,you are making all the members here think that we r retarded or whatsoever.
Lebanese are very civilized and knowledgeable,one or two members won't change that.

Thank you all and accept my sincere apology!

Dani I understand you have thhe oldest account here, but maybe sometimes you have to read posts deeply before commenting...

PLz re read my post, then show me your apology!!:cool:

[marko]

Dani I understand you have thhe oldest account here, but maybe sometimes you have to read posts deeply before commenting...

PLz re read my post, then show me your apology!!:cool:

maybe u should read well my account is older:P hehe kidding

Daniab yeh rawad's post supports ur opinion not the opposite

[Oshafaamri]

I used to have a lot of sympathy for lebanese basketball fans on this board...its all gone now. :mad:

I'm only reading excuses...
daniab is probably the only grown up here, the rest of the Lebanese are behaving like little children.
Hope that changes some day, as I can't read all of that propaganda anymore. December 13 won't end it, I guess.

Agree agressively ;)
100% Right

[Mojado]

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with Lebanese people in general. My post was not really exact, I have to admit.
I have Lebanese friends and you have great food, girls, landslides and so on...

I was supporting Lebanon in China until the moment when it came down to one foul, which was no foul. You know how many times such a thing happens and people do get over it although it is not fair?
The system with the wild-cards is crap, we do all know that. But it is like that and it may stay like that.
Complaining about it and trying to find 100 excuses does not help to make a case for Lebanon, it is exactly the opposite as it goes on my and other people nerves. reading in European Championships posts stuff about Lebanon, because Lebanese must write stuff down is distracting which goes also for the FIBA Americas Tournament.
I know from a source, that FIBA received and still receives up to 500 mails a day with all that whining and crying and insults...that's ridicolous and won't help Lebanon for sure.

So,instead of bashing other countries and FIBA. the best fans can do is collect signatures or write to the local federation and government to suppurt them.

[RAWAD]

maybe u should read well my account is older:P hehe kidding

Daniab yeh rawad's post supports ur opinion not the opposite

Oh yeah now u r the Dean!!:p

[Oshafaamri]

Originally Posted by rtk04 View Post
we can be in the top 10 in Eurupe..

LOL :D
How Funny
Beat Jordan and Iran then when can discuss that you can beat Macedonia !

[RAWAD]

Originally Posted by rtk04 View Post
we can be in the top 10 in Eurupe..

LOL :D
How Funny
Beat Jordan and Iran then when can discuss that you can beat Macedonia !

MY Lebanese friends do not start a discussion here with him!!
The forum is for real Basketball..

[Oshafaamri]

:mad::mad: what a shame!!!!! whats the problems with you guys Rawad and Karim???? i'm ashamed to read your posts :(

I apologize for everyone here,karim for God sake stop.You are repeating yourself over and over again with the same content.
We lost bcz our stupidity,get over it and good luck for the other teams Iran,China and Jordan.
Ur behaving like little kids,you are making all the members here think that we r retarded or whatsoever.
Lebanese are very civilized and knowledgeable,one or two members won't change that.

Thank you all and accept my sincere apology!

Who said the opposite !!!!
Yes lebanese shows how retarded and jealous they are , instead of saying good luck to the others , u lebanese here offending everybody not Jordan only , even our friend Mojado from Mexico was offended from the Lebanese Kids here ...

I declare it here , I HATE LEBANON AND LEBANESE BIG NOSES

[Oshafaamri]

MY Lebanese friends do not start a discussion here with him!!
The forum is for real Basketball..

aGAIN , IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS IDIOT

[MarcNehme]

Who said the opposite !!!!
Yes lebanese shows how retarded and jealous they are , instead of saying good luck to the others , u lebanese here offending everybody not Jordan only , even our friend Mojado from Mexico was offended from the Lebanese Kids here ...

I declare it here , I HATE LEBANON AND LEBANESE BIG NOSES

WE HATE YOU TOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

WATCH YOU WORD Mr SHAAFARAMI !!!!! :eek:

[daniab]

Who said the opposite !!!!
Yes lebanese shows how retarded and jealous they are , instead of saying good luck to the others , u lebanese here offending everybody not Jordan only , even our friend Mojado from Mexico was offended from the Lebanese Kids here ...

I declare it here , I HATE LEBANON AND LEBANESE BIG NOSES

i dont give a shit about you,you are known to be a little child! i didnt address my comment to you but to the others respectable members.
Lebnen chawke bi 3younak w bi 3youn ghayrak!

[Oshafaamri]

WE HATE YOU TOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

WATCH YOU WORD Mr SHAAFARAMI !!!!! :eek:

i KNOW THAT , NO NEED FOR ANY EXPLANATION
MY OPINION AND FREE TO SAY IT , OH YEAH AM TALKING TO LEBANESE GUYS WHO HAVE THE REAL DEMOCRACY IN THEIR COUNTRY

[Oshafaamri]

i dont give a shit about you,you are known to be a little child! I didnt address my comment to you but to the others respectable members.
Lebnen chawke bi 3younak w bi 3youn ghayrak!

chawke b 3yonek abook
YOU ARE THE CHILD , BTW I DON'T NEED YOUR RESPECT AS I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE HONOR TO GIVE ME RESPECT !
am free to say that i hate you and your country , your country is beautiful humans who lives there don't deserve to be THERE

[daniab]

Please Mods,take serious actions against those spreading fights and troubles all around Interbasket.
Please save Interbasket and this forum from those members including some Lebanese and that silly guy Oshafaamri!

[daniab]

chawke b 3yonek abook
YOU ARE THE CHILD , BTW I DON'T NEED YOUR RESPECT AS I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE HONOR TO GIVE ME RESPECT !
am free to say that i hate you and your country , your country is beautiful humans who lives there don't deserve to be THERE

im not a thug like you to reply!

[Oshafaamri]

please mods,take serious actions against those spreading fights and troubles all around interbasket.
Please save interbasket and this forum from those members including the lebanese and that silly guy oshafaamri!

you better change your name : Dania , it's a girl name you idiot
mods should save the forum from the kids of lebanon who are jealous as the kids including you .

Watch out your mercenaries of la7d and kata2eb .
YOU CAN NOT DENY THIS , THAT YOUR PEOPLE BETRAYED EVERYBODY INCLUDING THEMSELVES !

[Oshafaamri]

im not a thug like you to reply!

hehe , nice words , am a thug who will jump inthe face of any arrogant human

unless the lebanese forumers here becomes humble and modest you will always then have troubles with everybody , u had fights with the philis , mexicans , lithuanians , Iran and Jordan , that means that u on the wrong side for not respecting others and their opinions and not having sportsmanship soul

[daniab]

you better change your name : Dania , it's a girl name you idiot
mods should save the forum from the kids of lebanon who are jealous as the kids including you .

Watch out your mercenaries of la7d and kata2eb .
YOU CAN NOT DENY THIS , THAT YOUR PEOPLE BETRAYED EVERYBODY INCLUDING THEMSELVES !

since you came here,problems are everywhere. You cant even discuss with people.
Anyway i wont reply to your insults cz im waiting the Mods to take serious actions.

[Oshafaamri]

since you came here,problems are everywhere. You cant even discuss with people.
Anyway i wont reply to your insults cz im waiting the Mods to take serious actions.

Why are you blaming me for your arrogance and dictatoric minds here !?

[karim]

this thread is called "DR still in turkey ?" if u want daniab and oshaframi u can go open ur own thread and fight there we are not here to fight u can make a couple of posts here and there but not 3 replies after each other and wizard dont reply to this :o

[-K2-]

Please, shut up all of u :)
Back to topic...

[karim]

ya i think leb should be picked over DR but DR has the upper hand cuz leb is underrated worldwide ....theres always the chance of only 2 euro teams being picked than leb and DR can both go...does anyone know why russia did not have their top 3 players this year(kirilenko,kryapa and the african american) ...i think if russia won the last game FIBA would,ve gave only 2 euro teams a wildcard ....russia won the 2007 eur0basket but came in almost last in the olympics last yr and this year 8th did they not send their best team these last 2 years ? and what are the reasons ? maybe if they dont get invited they will start sending the russia 1st team again

[Franz]

ya i think leb should be picked over DR but DR has the upper hand cuz leb is underrated worldwide ....theres always the chance of only 2 euro teams being picked than leb and DR can both go...does anyone know why russia did not have their top 3 players this year(kirilenko,kryapa and the african american) ...i think if russia won the last game FIBA would,ve gave only 2 euro teams a wildcard ....russia won the 2007 eur0basket but came in almost last in the olympics last yr and this year 8th did they not send their best team these last 2 years ? and what are the reasons ? maybe if they dont get invited they will start sending the russia 1st team again

Most people didn't expect Russia to even qualify for the quarterfinals. However, they ended up doing so. They also manage to beat Greece in group play when most expected them to lose in a blowout.

Russia pretty much exceeded expectations in Eurobasket and proved a lot of people wrong. FIBA will invite them because (1.) They won Eurobasket in 2007. (2.) Played well without key players this year (3.) They're a country with a large population.

If anything, they're likely to be the first team to receive a wildcard.

[Mindozas]

Russia pretty much exceeded expectations in Eurobasket and proved a lot of people wrong. FIBA will invite them because (1.) They won Eurobasket in 2007. (2.) Played well without key players this year (3.) They're a country with a large population.

If anything, they're likely to be the first team to receive a wildcard.

Also they were left without wildcard before 2006, so FIBA kinda ows them.

Btw regarding best players, there were reasons for them to not participate: Khryapa got injuried two weeks before the tournament, J.R.Holden propably won't play for Russia anymore and Kirilenko missed it due personal reasons (birth of child), so IMO it's big enough reason to skip one summer, especially having in mind that he been there every summer since 2000 (except 2004 and 2006, when Russia failed to qualify to OG and WC)

[samer_1_2]

Guys !!!!!! The topic is clear
Can Dominican republic do it to Turkey

I say they have a chance but how they get it:

If Fiba gives Europes Two WildCards.. They will immediatly take a wildcard
If not then Nooooooooooo

Dominican Republic is a good team but according to Fiba Criteria they will hardly take it.. Lebanon is almost having a step over them due to many reasons

[bobo81]

Please, shut up all of u :)
Back to topic...

Would like to see the dominicanos at the worlds but doubt they will get a wildcard.

[-K2-]

Would like to see the dominicanos at the worlds but doubt they will get a wildcard.
they would help the competitiveness of the tournament, thats for sure :D
but... no... no thanks :D

[bobo81]

Cmon mano we need more caribe passion here :D