FIBA should not give Europe more than 2 wildcards

[rtk04]

Giving Europe more than 2 wildcards will only promote the idea of countries in Europe to send their B-teams and not take the FIBA Europe seriously just like what certain teams did by not taking some key players (although having nowitzki and kirilenko wont change things for Germany and Russia:D). Haviing the only 10 strong countries all in the world cup is not that good. For the sake of the next Euro championships...dont give them more than 2!!:D:D

[daniab]

whats the purpose of this thread?
aren't you bored from this?????

[rtk04]

whats the purpose of this thread?
aren't you bored from this?????

Man this is a key point...feel free not to express your opinion if you dont want...anyway i wont post any other stuff concerning wildcard,,,,but i want to make sure everyone see this post...dont worry daniab i wont reply to anyone

[Dtown]

Croatia winning today makes this really unlikely.

Russia is going to be hard to turn down.

[rtk04]

Croatia winning today makes this really unlikely, as either France or Russia is going to be the one left out in the cold.

didnt france beat turkey today?

[Dtown]

didnt france beat turkey today?

edited it immediately afterward :)

[marko]

with russia losing today i think they will get 3

germany , lithuania and russia.

not forgetting the italy thing..

im sick of talking abt this . let's just wait till december

[Wu-Tang]

Croatia winning today makes this really unlikely.

Russia is going to be hard to turn down.

Fully agreed. By all means, Russia and Lithuania will hardly get bypassed in receiving a wildcard invitation.
Eur
I disagree on the topic objective on the other hand. Europe should get at least three if not all four wirldcards in terms of raising the quality of the event. Of course, such a decision would be highly unfair and undemocratic.

I truly hope Italy or Germany gets a wildcard along with the two candidates that should be secure of getting such treatment.

Bellinelli, gallinari and Bargnani are very good NBA players. The other italians are solid players as well. Nowitzki at WB is reason enough to give it to Germany.

[karim]

ya but italy did not qualify to the euro so they are not allowed to get a wildcard unless FIBA want to break their own rules ...than i cant imagine how credible their rules will be in the future ...

[pohani komarac]

1. this willd card is totatl stupiditiy of fiba. they shold make clear how many teams gives each continent and teams that qoulifys by result must be there
2. since they give this willd cards I don't like in what creteria they are giving it. creteria of TV rights, NBA stars pissis me of. only creteria should be result in last competition and basketball history

So if 3 willd card's going to Europ this is my pick

1. Russia-they finished first unqualyfied and have rich basketball history. I don't care if they pay big money for TV rights and I don't care about watching Kirilenko or not. It's his problem if he doesn't want to play for his NT
2. Lithuania-they were in secend round and from teams not in first eight they have bigest achivments and tradition and one of the bigest of all
3. Germany-they don't have to big history and tradition but much biger than Maccedonia and Poland. And I don't care about Nowitzki. They played much more team basket and more joyeble to watch without Dirk

Italy and Great Britan don't desere to be mentioned in WC talk. Italy for sure has some nice history and tradition but they were not capeble to qualify for EC and don't deserve willd card, the also didn't deserve it last time. GB doesn't have anything. Maccedonia, Poland, Bulgaria and Israel are ahed of them to. I don't care about Deng, Gordon, Belineli, Bargnani....

4 willd card should be given to firs Americas unqualifyed

End of discusion!

[eliooo93]

Europe will get 3 wildcards.

[Pera Zdera]

10 teams from Europe is OK!

Don't forget:
World Champion 1998 - Serbia!
World Champion 2002 - Serbia!
World Champion 2006 - Spain!

The last three competitions!

Russia, Germany, Lithuania! Basta! Lebanon :confused:

[Markoishvili]

I think Lithuania is a shoe-in for Wildcard. While 2 of Russia, Italy and Germany will also get them.

[Visseira]

Europe shouldn't have more than 2 wild cards. 2 for Europe, 1 to Asia (with Australia and New Zealand playing there) and 1 to Americas. Africa hasn't sufficient competitive teams to have one more wild card...

PS - I don't agree with the wild cards attribution...

[Flexo]

.Africa, 2 teams....giving 5 wildcard bids.

Qualified

Turkey
USA

Africa

Angola
Nigeria

Americas

Argentina
Brasil
Canada
Puerto Rico

Asia

China
Iran
Jordan

Oceania

Australia
New Zealand

Europe

Greece
Spain
Serbia
Russia
France
Slovenia

Wildcard

Lithuania
Germany
Italy
Dominican Republic
Lebanon




This would make the competition way more competitive and have one less scrubby team in the tournament

[pohani komarac]

.Africa, 2 teams....giving 5 wildcard bids.

Qualified

Turkey
USA

Africa

Angola
Nigeria

Americas

Argentina
Brasil
Canada
Puerto Rico

Asia

China
Iran
Jordan

Oceania

Australia
New Zealand

Europe

Greece
Spain
Serbia
Russia
France
Slovenia

Wildcard

Lithuania
Germany
Italy
Dominican Republic
Lebanon






This would make the competition way more competitive and have one less scrubby team in the tournament

he, he. Croatia is directly qualifyed and we beat you quite easily last summer and also after so much talk to talk we beat you at this U-19 chapionship. Fact is no mather how scruby you think we are and how much we actualy are fact is that our past, present and future is less scruby then yours;)

[Dtown]

Africa two spots

Africa

Angola
Nigeria

Two big things wrong with this.

1: Africa was more competitive than Asia last WC, Nigeria and Angola finished higher than Yao led China. Penalizing their region for some arbitrary reason without results to back it up is just foolish.

2: While I think Nigeria should be considered for a wild card, they got beat fair and square at their tournament. Dismissing two teams that finished better than them solely on history would be the equivalent of kicking Slovenia out of the tournament because Italy used to have a better team.

edit: Actually you kicked Croatia out for Italy a team that couldn't qualify for Eurobasket after two attempts, which is just as stupid.

[Franz]

What FIBA needs to do is and has already been suggested........

Get rid of Oceania (since it doesn't serve any purpose) and add Australia and New Zealand (extremely overranked team) to the Asia zone.

Host - 1 spot
Olympics Champion - 1 spot
Europe - 7 spots
America - 5 spots
Asia - 3 spots
Africa - 3 spots

Each zone has to be represented fairly regardless of how bad some teams are. However, my suggestion gets rid of something that's unfair and that's the Oceania zone.

Next, end the wildcard process and install an eight team tournament (only with group play) with the best four automatically qualifying for WC.

- 3 teams from Europe (highest zone gets more teams)
- 8th, 9th, and 10th place teams in Eurobasket

- 2 teams from America
- 6hth place and 7thth place teams in Americas Championship

- 2 teams from Asia
- 4th and 5th place teams in Asia Championship

- 1 team from Africa (lowest zone gets less teams)
- 4th place team in Africa Championship

In our case, it would be:

- Poland, Macedonia, and Germany from Europe (I don't expect Poland and Macedonia to finish this high ever again)
- Uruguay and Mexico from Americas
- Lebanon and Chinese Taipei from Asia
- Cameroon from Africa

This tournament settles the remaining four teams with no argument.

[-K2-]

Good things about the wild cards...
Forumers will have omething to argue about until december

[PRSURF]

he, he. Croatia is directly qualifyed and we beat you quite easily last summer and also after so much talk to talk we beat you at this U-19 chapionship. Fact is no mather how scruby you think we are and how much we actualy are fact is that our past, present and future is less scruby then yours;)Yeah yeah, but we beat easily Slovenia in 2008 with a lower team than this year, and they beat you in this Eurobasket, so calm down and wait for the WC ;)

[pohani komarac]

Yeah yeah, but we beat easily Slovenia in 2008 with a lower team than this year, and they beat you in this Eurobasket, so calm down and wait for the WC ;)

and this slovenia is twice better than last year;) o yeah when was the last time we played with full roster? oh 96. I think. so stop finding excuse. Anway not so important but if we are such a scruby you are even more.

[PRSURF]

and this slovenia is twice better than last year;) o yeah when was the last time we played with full roster? oh 96. I think. so stop finding excuse. Anway not so important but if we are such a scruby you are even more.
Mmm I think the croatian u 19 is better than this Croatian hahaha, please dont make me laugh.....are you already qualified?:D:p

[ArnoldPettybone]

Last Olympic qualifier tournament:Europe 13- rest of world 1.
Just a reminder.

[JGX]

Now that the regional championships are winding down, it is fun to watch the posters from each region square off against each other...the world championships of interbasket has begun.

[pohani komarac]

Mmm I think the croatian u 19 is better than this Croatian hahaha, please dont make me laugh.....are you already qualified?:D:p

yes we are, even with worst basketball in our history;) you can disrespect us as much as you want fact says we might be scruby, but you are scrubyer than we are:)

[Flexo]

he, he. Croatia is directly qualifyed and we beat you quite easily last summer and also after so much talk to talk we beat you at this U-19 chapionship. Fact is no mather how scruby you think we are and how much we actualy are fact is that our past, present and future is less scruby then yours;)

We'll see in 2010.
PR's talent > Croatia.

[pohani komarac]

We'll see in 2010.
PR's talent > Croatia.

yes you defenetly show that by loosing last summer and at this year U-19 championship

[PRSURF]

yes we are, even with worst basketball in our history;) you can disrespect us as much as you want fact says we might be scruby, but you are scrubyer than we are:)Ok, we will see....:rolleyes:

[Franz]

We'll see in 2010.
PR's talent > Croatia.

I'm not so sure of that.

Croatia has some young players like Zubic, Delas, and Postran who will make Croatia a better team.

[pohani komarac]

I'm not so sure of that.

Croatia has some young players like Zubic, Delas, and Postran who will make Croatia a better team.

Not just them. Tomas (Cibona 85.)-remeber him, beat Puerto Rico by him self last summer;) , Markota (Bilbao 85.), Barac (Tau Ceramica 86.) All of them missed this championship because of injuries and inconsitant season and all of tham already played at high level like EC and OG and have lot room to impruve. There is also Tomic (Zagreb 87)., one of the most talented centars in Europ. If he gets stronger he will be one of the best for sure. Bogdanovic (Cibona 89.) also one of the most talented SG/SF in europ and this year he will have a chance to pruve it. And buch of semi talented players to replace role players like Kus, Stojic, Rozic, Nicevic etc. (actualy most of them can became better than this guys)...and to go futher we have some very nice cadets in Saric (15 year old kid that just refused 3milion euros from Tau ceramica), Ramljak, Boban...so I guess we are not so untalented:cool: Anway I have great respect for Puerto Rico and for anybody else, wouldn't be bad if you show some more respect to us. So it dosn't bounce of your head like it did at U-19 world championship. Anway to stop this OT son I will open new thred about early analise for our 2010.NT where you are welcom to join in dicusion:)

[Gytaz]

Giving Europe more than 2 wildcards will only promote the idea of countries in Europe to send their B-teams and not take the FIBA Europe seriously just like what certain teams did by not taking some key players (although having nowitzki and kirilenko wont change things for Germany and Russia:D). Haviing the only 10 strong countries all in the world cup is not that good. For the sake of the next Euro championships...dont give them more than 2!!:D:D

Do you really think that European teams don't take Eurobasket seriously? Eurobasket is often more competitive than WC. Yes, this year it was weak, but it wasn't because teams don't take it seriously. And I believe that Eurobasket 2011 will be much better.

[Flexo]

I'm not so sure of that.

Croatia has some young players like Zubic, Delas, and Postran who will make Croatia a better team.

Arroyo, Ayuso, and Barea are better than Croatia's top 3.

PR has a lot of young players that are developing into quality FIBA players

Vassallo
Ramos
Diaz
Rivera

[Mojado]

I watched PR in PR, which was totally different to what I witnessed in Athens last year. PR is great at home due to its fans,who are pushing them from the first two awful quarters to a good performance in the last two. If PR Fans are traveling to Turkey it will be great boost for Arroyo and the other top two players (Barea...but Ayuso? D-League-I-Want-to-play-in-the-NBA-but-the NBA-dont-care Ayuso?) but I doubt this will happen. So I doubt that European teams are going to loose after playing two strong quarters against PR, no way.
I dont see Puerto Rico ahead of Croatia when it comes to talent (Rosario...yes a talent but also a ballhog - On the other hand all the upcoming youngsters that were mentioned in some earlier posts).
I see them ahead though when it comes to team-chemistry as Croatia played some awful games this year; missing a sensation by loosing to Slovenia in a bad way.
But lets wait and see how ready Ramos will be after two bad season in Europe and how healthy and quick Santiago will be in Turkey, if he decides to join the team like always in the very last second.Without them, PR is fairly weak inside with Ricky Sanchez only dangerous from the outside.
Rivera ,Ramos and Diaz do play or played minor roles in European basketball, comparing them to players from Croatia who are playing in way bigger teams (Read: Euroleague) is not an good idea.I liked Vassallo though, he made an positive impact and should play a bigger role in the future.

[cardenales]

Why Europe should not have more than two wild cards? They should have the four wild cats. As a matter of facts they are from 10 to 12 teams of high level in Europe. Most than any other continent. Three Wild Cats will be fine with Europe. The other one? To Lebanon.

[pohani komarac]

Arroyo, Ayuso, and Barea are better than Croatia's top 3.

PR has a lot of young players that are developing into quality FIBA players

Vassallo
Ramos
Diaz
Rivera

Ayuso played in Split and Cibona few years ago. Once famus Split is now 3level in Europ while he was kicked out of Cibona because of his selfisnes. anway I like him because of his pasion but I'm also aware of his abilitys and he is not that god as you think he is. Anway I respect Puerto Rico, it's very nice team and I'm not saying that you don't have talet or that we are better. But you are caling us a scrby team and for sample you are puting Italy and Turkey ahed of us who bouth finished behind us at last 3 europian chapionship (maybe they are better but for 4 years they didn't pruve that on court). I know we sucked this chapionship, but you also don't know how we going to play next summer and wich players we gona bring. And also player+player+player doesn't necesery mean chapionship if you get me. And you also got to be aware that you are not folowing europian basketball very detail so you don't know how this players are good. We are not superpower like before and we don't have stars like before but we still have very deep base of solid players with similar qualitys ore ones who can even upgrade our game, especialy some younger talents. But calling us scrubby team even if we beat you and even if we are always from our indpedence (1991.) more or less competitive team is very disrespectfull. Maybe we are scrubby but you got to realise that pure fact says that if we are scrubby you are scrubyer than we are and that is what you are saying not me.

[PRSURF]

Ayuso played in Split and Cibona few years ago. Once famus Split is now 3level in Europ while he was kicked out of Cibona because of his selfisnes. anway I like him because of his pasion but I'm also aware of his abilitys and he is not that god as you think he is. Anway I respect Puerto Rico, it's very nice team and I'm not saying that you don't have talet or that we are better. But you are caling us a scrby team and for sample you are puting Italy and Turkey ahed of us who bouth finished behind us at last 3 europian chapionship (maybe they are better but for 4 years they didn't pruve that on court). I know we sucked this chapionship, but you also don't know how we going to play next summer and wich players we gona bring. And also player+player+player doesn't necesery mean chapionship if you get me. And you also got to be aware that you are not folowing europian basketball very detail so you don't know how this players are good. We are not superpower like before and we don't have stars like before but we still have very deep base of solid players with similar qualitys ore ones who can even upgrade our game, especialy some younger talents. But calling us scrubby team even if we beat you and even if we are always from our indpedence (1991.) more or less competitive team is very disrespectfull. Maybe we are scrubby but you got to realise that pure fact says that if we are scrubby you are scrubyer than we are and that is what you are saying not me.Ok, I know your point, but i know you dont said names, but I never said in thread that Croatia is scraby, Croatia is a dangerous team....I need a croatian jersey:D

[pohani komarac]

Ok, I know your point, but i know you dont said names, but I never said in thread that Croatia is scraby, Croatia is a dangerous team....I need a croatian jersey:D

You didn't but your countryman Flexo did. If you need Croatian jersey you can by it over internet. Even with your name on and from lot of difrent teams:D

http://shop750.com/pregled_proizvoda.asp?idProizvoda=161

[PRSURF]

You didn't but your countryman Flexo did. If you need Croatian jersey you can by it over internet. Even with your name on and from lot of difrent teams:D

http://shop750.com/pregled_proizvoda.asp?idProizvoda=161Thanks "Davor Suker":cool:

[cardenales]

Right now! Croatia is better team than Puerto Rico. Theres no doubt about that. I like the croatian team, with the talent they have they should be in the top four in the world. Puerto Rico is my team and we have talent but right now we are in the process of bringing good young talent in, we are going to be a great team in the near future.

[Lewis]

Right now! Croatia is better team than Puerto Rico. Theres no doubt about that. I like the croatian team, with the talent they have they should be in the top four in the world. Puerto Rico is my team and we have talent but right now we are in the process of bringing good young talent in, we are going to be a great team in the near future.

it doesn't matter whether Croatia is better than Puerto Rico or not, that has NOTHING to do with this thread.

[JGX]

I am officially supporting Mexico for a wildcard so we can have more posts from Mojado and fewer posts from Lewis :p

Plus they match up well with Greece since Sofo won't be able to overpower Llamas in the post or guard him on the perimeter.

[Fedfan]

It is a fine line between keeping the international character of this tournament and inviting the strongest teams.
I believe Fiba will give WCs to Lithuania,Russia and Germany/Italy/GB? and one to most probably Lebanon or Dominican Republic.The european teams are just too much stronger than the rest,to justify getting 2 WCs.

[samer_1_2]

I believe this time Fiba won' t give ERurope more than two.. because last time they invited three from Europe.. This time Europe is having Turkey HOSTs
So Europe is well represented with two WCards

Asia should be given another spot since they showed four close teams' Level

America also Dominican republic they are having a good team, technically should be invited.. but following Fiba citeria no

Briefly:
Lithuania,Russia,Lebanon and Dominican Republic should be invited to WC2010 in Turkey

Luthuania is a good team even wasn't too good during the tournament

Russia is also a good team especially diffensively

Germany does not derserve a wildcard .. Their team is an old team .. most of the players are having white hair.. immagineee.. !!! They played enough .. Now turns for young players..

[Toxicity]

In an italian paper today is written that we have to pay 600k to FIBA for competing for a wildcard with Germany and Great Britain (and we'd be clear favorites to obtain one)... the other 2 wildcards from Europe will go to Lithuania and Russia.

[samer_1_2]

In an italian paper today is written that we have to pay 600k to FIBA for competing for a wildcard with Germany and Great Britain (and we'd be clear favorites to obtain one)... the other 2 wildcards from Europe will go to Lithuania and Russia.

I think you have to pay moreeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)
Hahahaha .... Italian Mentality

[pohani komarac]

In an italian paper today is written that we have to pay 600k to FIBA for competing for a wildcard with Germany and Great Britain (and we'd be clear favorites to obtain one)... the other 2 wildcards from Europe will go to Lithuania and Russia.

I don't want to ofend you or anything but how in the world people in your basketball federation can look at tham self in mirror. Last time you couldn't qoualify for WC and you got it infront of other teams that finished infront of you. But let's say that was OK. Now you couldn't even qualify for EC and still asking for wild card? Disguasting (nothing personal, sorry.) I just pray for Italy and GB don't get WC. Just not deserved infront of Lithuania, Russia, Germany, Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Poland, Maccedonia and lot other tems

I know I'm whining and geting boring but can't help myself. I hate when they turning my sport in buisnis:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.

Wild card is greatest supidity in profesional sport and should be canceld (even that helped our teams in NLB, but still undeserved). Who can't make it by himself don't deserve to be there.-I just have to say it once more:):mad:

WC for WC

[Fedfan]

I don't want to ofend you or anything but how in the world people in your basketball federation can look at tham self in mirror. Last time you couldn't qoualify for WC and you got it infront of other teams that finished infront of you. But let's say that was OK. Now you couldn't even qualify for EC and still asking for wild card? Disguasting (nothing personal, sorry.) I just pray for Italy and GB don't get WC. Just not deserved infront of Lithuania, Russia, germany, Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Poland, Maccedonia and lot other tems

I know I'm whining and geting boring but can't help myself. I hate when they turning my sport in buisnis:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.

Wild card id greatest supidity is profesional sport and should be canceld (even that helped our teams in NLB, but still undeserved). Who can't make it by himself don't deserve to be there.-I just have to say it once more:):mad:

WC for WC

Well professional sport IS business.No matter what we say.
And if the World Cup was only with the best teams,do you really think that only 6 spots would be given to Europe??Asia and especially Oceania would have a lot less,and therefore the worldwide character of the tournament would be destroyed.
What is shamefull here is that Fiba are going against their OWN rules,unless there's a little window in these rules as usual..

[Picek]

Well professional sport IS business.No matter what we say.

football world championship is the biggest sport event in the world..
probably even bigger then OG in terms of profit and the whole idea of business in sport..
I wonder how come they don't have wild card systems..
it can easily happen that Argentina won't qualify this year for South Africa championship..
but hey, they won't be given a wild card..
you don't have WC's in volleyball either..
you don't have it in handball..
you don't have it in waterpolo..
you don't have it in ice hockey.. etc. etc.
the only fucking team sport with WC system is basketball..
FIBA is the only organization doing that..
are they doing better in terms of business then other organizations?
I doubt it..
they are corrupted organization which uses WC to get more money.. anyone knows what are they doing with that money?
no, noone knows..
reason why we have ULEB in Europe is because of FIBA being corrupted and not willing to invest anything back in basketball.. clubs didn't have any rights in their competitions..
fuck them and fuck their wild cards..
basketball doesn't need that..
basketball especially doesn't need an organization which doesn't follow it's own rules..
why should players then play by the rules, they would benefit more if they wouldn't follow the rules..

[pohani komarac]

football world championship is the biggest sport event in the world..
probably even bigger then OG in terms of profit and the whole idea of business in sport..
I wonder how come they don't have wild card systems..
it can easily happen that Argentina won't qualify this year for South Africa championship..
but hey, they won't be given a wild card..
you don't have WC's in volleyball either..
you don't have it in handball..
you don't have it in waterpolo..
you don't have it in ice hockey.. etc. etc.
the only fucking team sport with WC system is basketball..
FIBA is the only organization doing that..
are they doing better in terms of business then other organizations?
I doubt it..
they are corrupted organization which uses WC to get more money.. anyone knows what are they doing with that money?
no, noone knows..
reason why we have ULEB in Europe is because of FIBA being corrupted and not willing to invest anything back in basketball.. clubs didn't have any rights in their competitions..
fuck them and fuck their wild cards..
basketball doesn't need that..
basketball especially doesn't need an organization which doesn't follow it's own rules..
why should players then play by the rules, they would benefit more if they wouldn't follow the rules..

LeBron benifits....Dear ref when you count to two close your eyes:)

[Fedfan]

Why should we judge this on other sports I don't understand.
World Cup in Basketball shouldn't be compared to the same event in Football because the comparison will be wrong and unfair.

I don't understand why basket must copycat other sports.:confused: :confused:
This is the system,and it has it's cons and its pros.

My only objection is for the system to follow its own rules.

[pohani komarac]

Why should we judge this on other sports I don't understand.
World Cup in Basketball shouldn't be compared to the same event in Football because the comparison will be wrong and unfair.

I don't understand why basket must copycat other sports.:confused: :confused:
This is the system,and it has it's cons and its pros.

My only objection is for the system to follow its own rules.

It's still greedy and idiotic thing only made for buisniess.....I'm maybe psychotic crazy idiot but you will all be sorry one day suporting this gredy nonsens:cool: I just hope this time teams deservd to be in don't get screwd

[KWSN-Men]

Ayuso played in Split and Cibona few years ago. Once famus Split is now 3level in Europ while he was kicked out of Cibona because of his selfisnes. anway I like him because of his pasion but I'm also aware of his abilitys and he is not that god as you think he is. Anway I respect Puerto Rico, it's very nice team and I'm not saying that you don't have talet or that we are better. But you are caling us a scrby team and for sample you are puting Italy and Turkey ahed of us who bouth finished behind us at last 3 europian chapionship (maybe they are better but for 4 years they didn't pruve that on court). I know we sucked this chapionship, but you also don't know how we going to play next summer and wich players we gona bring. And also player+player+player doesn't necesery mean chapionship if you get me. And you also got to be aware that you are not folowing europian basketball very detail so you don't know how this players are good. We are not superpower like before and we don't have stars like before but we still have very deep base of solid players with similar qualitys ore ones who can even upgrade our game, especialy some younger talents. But calling us scrubby team even if we beat you and even if we are always from our indpedence (1991.) more or less competitive team is very disrespectfull. Maybe we are scrubby but you got to realise that pure fact says that if we are scrubby you are scrubyer than we are and that is what you are saying not me.

I would just like to mention that after I moved out of an apartment, Ayuso moved there while playing in Greece. :D

[Fedfan]

It's still greedy and idiotic thing only made for buisniess.....I'm maybe psychotic crazy idiot but you will all be sorry one day suporting this gredy nonsens:cool: I just hope this time teams deservd to be in don't get screwd

first of all..well done!! self-knowledge is the first step to wisdom :) :D

I'm not supporting a greedy approach,but I'm being realistic in understanding the proffesional sports are first/a lot about business and that there is no reason to try to squeeze basketball into other sports models.Every sport to its own.

[Dtown]

you can't really judge Basketball WC with others. For example Rugby lets the top 12 teams from the previous WC automatically qualify for the next one.

In Cricket, 10 of 14 teams automatically qualify for being member teams of their international body.

Every sport (save soccer cause it's just that many teams) have their own issues.

[Toxicity]

I don't want to ofend you or anything but how in the world people in your basketball federation can look at tham self in mirror. Last time you couldn't qoualify for WC and you got it infront of other teams that finished infront of you. But let's say that was OK. Now you couldn't even qualify for EC and still asking for wild card? Disguasting (nothing personal, sorry.) I just pray for Italy and GB don't get WC. Just not deserved infront of Lithuania, Russia, Germany, Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Poland, Maccedonia and lot other tems

I know I'm whining and geting boring but can't help myself. I hate when they turning my sport in buisnis:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.

Wild card is greatest supidity in profesional sport and should be canceld (even that helped our teams in NLB, but still undeserved). Who can't make it by himself don't deserve to be there.-I just have to say it once more:):mad:

WC for WC

Wild card is not a stupid thing by itself... it may help in some situations.

But i agree with you: Italy doesn't deserve another wildcard after '06 WC... and i hope FIBA won't give us that because i don't wanna see coach Recalcati anymore!!! :mad:

[pohani komarac]

first of all..well done!! self-knowledge is the first step to wisdom :) :D

I'm not supporting a greedy approach,but I'm being realistic in understanding the proffesional sports are first/a lot about business and that there is no reason to try to squeeze basketball into other sports models.Every sport to its own.

I'm realistic to, but I will never acept that but I will allways try to do my best and fight against it. (I have no mony to bribe Greek loby:D) Evrbody stand up and say NO to WC:D

Evrey sport has his own model and basketball choose the worst:rolleyes: I'm cursed:mad:

[RAWAD]

Wild card is not a stupid thing by itself... it may help in some situations.

But i agree with you: Italy doesn't deserve another wildcard after '06 WC... and i hope FIBA won't give us that because i don't wanna see coach Recalcati anymore!!! :mad:

Italy is not eligible for a wild card!
They didn't participate in the last eurobasket!

[Fedfan]

I'm realistic to, but I will never acept that but I will allways try to do my best and fight against it. (I have no mony to bribe Greek loby:D) Evrbody stand up and say NO to WC:D

Evrey sport has his own model and basketball choose the worst:rolleyes: I'm cursed:mad:

you are an idealist if you think that sports is only about sports,and perhaps you should switch to amateur sport and not proffesional then.:cool: ;)

oh,there are worse models as some have mentioned before with baseball etc..and the wildcard model has its pros aswell,like ensuring the most traditional and marketable powers will make it,and thus more millions of people will be interested in the tournament..
but anyway,it is like it is right now,and what we all should be looking at imo,is if Italy is actually elligible at a wildcard according to the rules,or not.

[Dominicano_coño]

Why should Germany get a Wild card anyways :confused:

because of Dirk :confused:, hadn't they sucked enough already even when Dirk is playing ;)

or Poland, I mean Poland !!!!!!!! are you gusy kidding, I mean yeah, I watched the Eurobasket but they were at Home;), and they ahe never done better or equal to that out of home;), do you even know what "HOME COURT ADVANTAGE" means :confused::confused::confused:

and Macedonia, c'mon now, they are better than Lebanon, Nigeria, and The Dominican Republic

and don't even let get to Italy :rolleyes:, which technically can't get a wild card according to FIBA RULES, but you all know have Italians handle things: (money)LOL, I know I've to New Jersey :p J/k

the Wild cartds should got to Lithuania, The Dominican Republic, Russia and Lebanon coz that be the most fair thing to do, and coz the other teams mentioned here are way worst than any of those 4 teams, and yes BOTH, teams lebaono and The Dominican republic should get one. Though to be Completely Honest Taiwan (China Taipei) did inpressed me way mor than the Lebanese did, matter of fact Lebanese rather than inpressed me they kind of let me down a bit, BUT EVEN SO LEBANON is a better team than CTP

[Franz]

^^^ If Nowitzki decides to sit out again (which is likely), I think FIBA will go with another team. In which case, I could see both Lebanon and Dominican Republic getting invited.

[CanadianKid]

I would rather that they spread out the wild-cards alot more. 3 Euro teams isn't needed seeing as they already have 6 teams in. 2 teams from europe, 1 from the Americas and 1 from Asia.

[JGX]

Italy is not eligible for a wild card!
They didn't participate in the last eurobasket!

According to FIBA-Europe regulations they participated.

[Mojado]

According to FIBA-Europe regulations they participated.

JGX might be right: "In order to be invited, a team must have participated in its 2009 FIBA Zone Qualifying Championship."

This could also mean basically, that even Montenegro could be applying as it played in a FIBA Zone Qualifying Championship. The reule is not saying: You must have played in the Eurobasket, FIBA Americas Tournament...and so on...

@Franz: Dirk already stated that he is interested in joining. If he is not gonna get injured, then I am sure he will be in Turkey. Same goes for Kaman, who is only coming if Dirk comes.

[melizei]

I want to see the best teams in WC.So I think wildcard should be given to best teams which are out of WC.And best teams out of WC are Lithuania,Russia,Germany and Italy.But Italy wasn't in last Eurobasket,so they can't get a wildcard(because of fiba rules). There should be Domican Republic instead of them.

[pohani komarac]

you are an idealist if you think that sports is only about sports,and perhaps you should switch to amateur sport and not proffesional then.:cool: ;)

oh,there are worse models as some have mentioned before with baseball etc..and the wildcard model has its pros aswell,like ensuring the most traditional and marketable powers will make it,and thus more millions of people will be interested in the tournament..
but anyway,it is like it is right now,and what we all should be looking at imo,is if Italy is actually elligible at a wildcard according to the rules,or not.

here is your answer, blind lady:D:p

[Franz]

.@Franz: Dirk already stated that he is interested in joining. If he is not gonna get injured, then I am sure he will be in Turkey. Same goes for Kaman, who is only coming if Dirk comes.

He can say what he wants but if Cuban tells he can't play, then there's nothing Nowitzki can do about it.

[Franz]

JGX might be right: "In order to be invited, a team must have participated in its 2009 FIBA Zone Qualifying Championship."

This could also mean basically, that even Montenegro could be applying as it played in a FIBA Zone Qualifying Championship. The reule is not saying: You must have played in the Eurobasket, FIBA Americas Tournament...and so on...

Yeah, FIBA didn't really make that part clear.

Italy technically participated in the qualification of Eurobasket.

[JGX]

According to FIBA-Europe regulations they participated.

Just so we are totally clear:


30. System of Competition
The teams participating in the Pre-Olympic Tournament, the Olympic Games and the World Championships will qualify directly for the subsequent Final Round of the EuroBasket (16 teams). The Organiser of the Final Round of the EuroBasket is also directly qualified.

The EuroBasket shall be played in 3 stages:
A. Qualifying Round
B. Additional Qualifying- (AQR) and Relegation Round (RR)
�� Home and Away Games
�� Play-Off Games
C. Final Round

[marko]

Just so we are totally clear:

I agree . This is true technically the qualificitations are part of the champ.

but i dont think Italy would get a card since the rules state that no more than 3 cards for 1 zone. I guess lith, Ger , and Russ are much closer. leaving the 4th between africa , asia and the americas.

but technically Italy did participate

[PRSURF]

I want to see the best teams in WC.So I think wildcard should be given to best teams which are out of WC.And best teams out of WC are Lithuania,Russia,Germany and Italy.But Italy wasn't in last Eurobasket,so they can't get a wildcard(because of fiba rules). There should be Domican Republic instead of them.Italy?, DR is much better than them right now as you say...and I think if Nigeria have his best player they could be better than Germany rigt now, without Dirk, Kaman and Okulaja...

[Dominicano_coño]

Just so we are totally clear:

so can countries that paled in the COCOBA like Belice, Costa Rica, etc, and countries from the Caribbean FIBA Championship be considered for a wild card too :confused::confused:

'cause it pretty much the same situation with Italy, it just not fair at all.

Imagine if a team form the Cocoba get a wild card instead of a team from The FiBA Americas Championship, that be a slap in the face for Venezuela, Panama Uruguay, and The Dominican republic.

Or even worst what if a team from the South American Cahmpionship is concidered for a wild card like Colombia

Yeah, FIBA must look into all those stupid rules of theirs, seriously

[Toxicity]

Italy?, DR is much better than them right now as you say...and I think if Nigeria have his best player they could be better than Germany rigt now, without Dirk, Kaman and Okulaja...

Big LOL... :D

C'mon... one thing is to say Italy doesn't deserve the wildcard (and i may agree) but another is to say Dominican Republic is much better... we have a bad bad coach, yeah, but we also have a great potential with our youngers and 3 NBA players (means a good appeal for fans).

[Lewis]

Big LOL... :D

C'mon... one thing is to say Italy doesn't deserve the wildcard (and i may agree) but another is to say Dominican Republic is much better... we have a bad bad coach, yeah, but we also have a great potential with our youngers and 3 NBA players (means a good appeal for fans).

it seems that you have a lot in common then

Though, te Dominicans did make it out of Centrobasket and qualified for Te FIBA Amercas Championship :p

[PRSURF]

Big LOL... :D

C'mon... one thing is to say Italy doesn't deserve the wildcard (and i may agree) but another is to say Dominican Republic is much better... we have a bad bad coach, yeah, but we also have a great potential with our youngers and 3 NBA players (means a good appeal for fans).
C'mon, your team is playing worst than FYROM, and you loss versus Finland, I a mean, WTF??, you have good players....thats it!:rolleyes:

[Lewis]

C'mon, your team is playing worst than FYROM, and you loss versus Finland, I a mean, WTF??, you have good players....thats it!:rolleyes:

actually, Decent players

[Dtown]

FIBA should really institute a rule where you can't receive a wild card two WBC's in a row. Hopefully that at least goes into consideration.

[-K2-]

FIBA should really institute a rule where you can't receive a wild card two WBC's in a row. Hopefully that at least goes into consideration.

they should just discard the wildcard :rolleyes:

[samer_1_2]

Wild cards are the stupid idea ever seen
This is mainly done for big countries who failed to reach WC
It' s totally politics..

I bet you will hear that FIBA will give wild Cards to the following countries
Italy/UK/Denmark/Japan/SouthAfrica

While Normally and fairly , wild cards should be given to the following countries (They all deserve to be in Turkey)

- Lithuania
- Russia
- Lebanon
- Dominican republic
- and Maybe Germany last spot
- and maybe Nigeria

Next World Championship, Wild Cards should be stopped and replaced by

- either adding more spots to each continent/zone
- special tournament to qualify failed teams (This will give a chance to qualify another time)

I have to add that Oceania should be given one spot ... I think it s enough for them.. should add One more for America.. One more for Asia and three for Europe .. and that s it without the concept of wild Cards..

Fiba should change the rules for further developpment

[Toxicity]

C'mon, your team is playing worst than FYROM, and you loss versus Finland, I a mean, WTF??, you have good players....thats it!:rolleyes:

In a meaningless game, yeah... and BTW, Finland is better than DR... pretty easily... :rolleyes:

[Lewis]

In a meaningless game, yeah... and BTW, Finland is better than DR... pretty easily... :rolleyes:

where do you buy your drugs :confused:

[Toxicity]

where do you buy your drugs :confused:

What? Please think before write...

[Jon_Koncak]

In a meaningless game, yeah... and BTW, Finland is better than DR... pretty easily... :rolleyes:

based on what?

[Toxicity]

based on what?

based on what the fact my sentence is not true?

[-K2-]

based on what the fact my sentence is not true?

if that is what u think, then we all agree :D

[PRSURF]

In a meaningless game, yeah... and BTW, Finland is better than DR... pretty easily... :rolleyes:Whats next?, Cyprus is better than Uruguay ???, Israel better than Puerto Rico??, Latvia better than Brasil?, GB is better than Argentina??, Italy is better than USA???, please!!!!!:o:rolleyes:

[SNIPER]

I have a feeling that a wild card will be given to England, don't ask me how and why. I believe the English will put all their efforts to prepare well for the Olympics.

[Lewis]

I have a feeling that a wild card will be given to England, don't ask me how and why. I believe the English will put all their efforts to prepare well for the Olympics.

please tell me you're joking :confused:

the other day I read somewhere that Japan was a candidate due to the fact that they hosted a WBC not long ago and had a great Economy (which is what really matters for FIBA), and a lot of private investors, plus a huge population.

can you imagine that:eek: JAPAN !!!!!!!!! now, that's a JOKE

[Dtown]

It's not a joke. There definitely seems to be some interest from FIBA in Great Britain, and the team has some backing from the NBA. Both of course would love to get into that market.

That said, FIBA's not encouraged by the lack of a guaranteed TV contract for the WBC next year. So they're chances are slim, but they're certainly in the discussion.

[rikhardur]

It'll be a scandal if GB gets invited imo.

[Dtown]

Personally I would consider Italy the bigger slap in the face. At least Britain qualified for Eurobasket.

That said if either gets in I expect this board to explode on Dec. 13th.

[Lewis]

Personally I would consider Italy the bigger slap in the face. At least Britain qualified for Eurobasket.

That said if either gets in I expect this board to explode on Dec. 13th.

Actually, if Venezuela gets in, is that this is gonna explode for real, coz that's one of the two teams Lebanese always brag about how they beat them

[rikhardur]

Personally I would consider Italy the bigger slap in the face. At least Britain qualified for Eurobasket.
That's a good question to ponder upon. On the one hand Italy has a tradition of decades in basketball and have premier world players, but on the other they failed to qualify, as you mention. GB on the contrary does not have any tradition and got in. Tough call. I'd pick Italy anytime just for the sake of picking.

[pohani komarac]

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=29306

In Croatian media it's just bean anancued that Italy won't ask for willd card. If this is truth I have to congratulate their federation for sport's behavior. Respect from Croatia!

[rikhardur]

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=29306

In Croatian media it's just bean anancued that Italy won't ask for willd card. If this is truth I have to congratulate their federation for sport's behavior. Respect from Croatia!
They did something well done for a change :p

[Dtown]

Funnily enough this is the second straight article I've seen that mention the Dominican Republic and Great Britain as candidates for a wild card, but not Lebanon.

[karim]

please tell me you're joking :confused:

the other day I read somewhere that Japan was a candidate due to the fact that they hosted a WBC not long ago and had a great Economy (which is what really matters for FIBA), and a lot of private investors, plus a huge population.

can you imagine that:eek: JAPAN !!!!!!!!! now, that's a JOKE

it would really suck of they pick teams due to these factors instead of thelevel of teams ...its becoming more of politics and business than a game ...if they pick DR or nigeria(if they have their full roster) over leb than i would be a bit mad but picking a team like japan or south korea(who have lost to lebanon in maybe 9 out of the last 10 meetings) than this would be a disgrace to basketball and unfair to many teams including lebanon ...i dont understand how they pick teams according to if they hosted teh WBC in the past or will in the future like when they invited turkey in 2006 cuz they are the hosts in 2010 ..when u look at it turkey didnt qualify this in 2010 or 2006 so its enough to invite them once since they are the hosts but why would they invite them in 2006 but atleast Turkey is a good team but how the hell will they invite japan cuz they hosted the 2006 WBC will they also invite japan in 2014 and 2018 cuz they hosted the 2006WBC and will they invite great britain every 2 years cuz they are the 2012 olympic hosts ....on the wild card criteria they say sporting results and no team has to be perfect at everything but they can atleast fit all the criteria like being above average in all of them(like lebanon for example) but i dont see how japans good sporting results so this is 100% based on marketing not even 90% , 100% japan has not been in an asian championship semifinal since 1997 or 1999 and their last 2 results was 8th place in 2007 and 10th this year so common will u invite a team who finished 10th in asia !! or GB a team that lost in the 1st round :eek:

[Toxicity]

http://www.kosarka.hr/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=29306

In Croatian media it's just bean anancued that Italy won't ask for willd card. If this is truth I have to congratulate their federation for sport's behavior. Respect from Croatia!

It's true. The italian basketball federation board joined yesterday and decided not to ask for a wild-card... it's a fair decision, i think. Even if we'll have to qualify for the Euro 2011... the only thing i didn't like is that Recalcati is still our coach (his position will be rediscussed in the next two months). I hope they'll pick a successor as soon as possible...

[Migelitas]

It's true. The italian basketball federation board joined yesterday and decided not to ask for a wild-card... it's a fair decision, i think. Even if we'll have to qualify for the Euro 2011... the only thing i didn't like is that Recalcati is still our coach (his position will be rediscussed in the next two months). I hope they'll pick a successor as soon as possible...

Could it be, that FIBA Europe asked FIP to make this decision in order to give their support to possible Italy's Eurobasket 2013 bid?

[Toxicity]

Could it be, that FIBA Europe asked FIP to make this decision in order to give their support to possible Italy's Eurobasket 2013 bid?

I doubt... Italy may want to host Euro 2013 after the decision to give Spain the WC 2014 (we should have some credit by FIBA).

All our basketball federation board members (but Meneghin) were against a WC wildcard since the beginning... especially Petrucci (CONI president).

[Picek]

They did something well done for a change :p

they also punished Mancinelli for his incident in a friendly with Canada..
two months later but still..

[perucho123]

I think dominican republic should get a wild card. they finished 5th in the second strongest region the americas. they have 3 NBA stars. not role players but ballers. they have a great coach in julio toro and with a little more time they will click and will be a serious contender. I think in the future they can be contenders for the fiba americas championship.
the other 3 should be germany,russia and either lebanon/lithuania. remember lithuania does well in olympics but not in world cups

[pohani komarac]

I think dominican republic should get a wild card. they finished 5th in the second strongest region the americas. they have 3 NBA stars. not role players but ballers. they have a great coach in julio toro and with a little more time they will click and will be a serious contender. I think in the future they can be contenders for the fiba americas championship.
the other 3 should be germany,russia and either lebanon/lithuania. remember lithuania does well in olympics but not in world cups

from this 5 teams lithuania have by far bigest basketball tradition. if anyone deserves willd card it is lithuania. basketball without USA and Lithuania is not basketball

[Lewis]

from this 5 teams lithuania have by far bigest basketball tradition. if anyone deserves willd card it is lithuania. basketball without USA and Lithuania is not basketball

too bad "tradition" isn't part of the criteria for a wild card

[Picek]

too bad "tradition" isn't part of the criteria for a wild card
too bad having three NBA "star" players also isn't a criteria..

[pohani komarac]

too bad "tradition" isn't part of the criteria for a wild card

Pure and simple. I don't give a ............ about Fiba and their "buissnis" creteria for this moronics wild cards! But if anyone deserve that damn card it's Lithuania. Why shouldn't they? Because they don't have big market or NBA stars? They are countrey crazy for basketball that lives and dies for basketball, they played basketball when in moust of countries people tought basketball is something you could eat and they still have great team with bunch of great players even if they are not "NBA stars". This what realy mathers, this is the only truth and there is nobady in world that can claim that Germany or Dominican Republic deserves that willd card more than Lithuania.

[WIZARD]

I agree Lithuania should be the first team to be invited second to it comes Germany then russia..anyway its obvious that 3 cards are going to europe
automatically anything other than that is pure BS, the 4th wildcard Is closer to lebanon than Nigeria and DR,although DR technically is better than those 2 teams

[Straight forward]

too bad "tradition" isn't part of the criteria for a wild card

I believe you are wrong. It's all about tradition- that includes history, achievements, attitude and so on. Yes, Lithuania never reached the high goals in WC, but it's a good postulate to throw them into the action, while Lithuania is top 6 NT in Earth. Despite the failure in this Eurobasket (due to absences, mainly), Lithuania stood as the second best European team in Olympics (After Spain and definitely not Russia or Germany with all the respect). I don't think Eurobasket and Olympic games results don't come as the criteria for the wild card.

[Dtown]

# Popularity of basketball in the country
# Quality and sporting results of the country's national team

These two pretty much guarantee it for Lithuania.

No disputing Lithuania's fanbase.

No disputing Lithuania has had the best results this decade of those remaining.

[khaledlebanon]

These two pretty much guarantee it for Lithuania.

No disputing Lithuania's fanbase.

No disputing Lithuania has had the best results this decade of those remaining.

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Lebanon
4-Germany.. maybe nigeria
( iam taking into consideration that europe already have 7 cards to WC with 2 wild card = 9 cards for europe.. so i think it's enough to take just 2 wild cards.. and germany maybe out for this reason)
In my opinion, D.R have very small chance to get a wild card.. cuz according to the criteria for getting a wild card Lebanon and nigeria have the upper hand and by a big margin.. ( iam not talking about the level of the 3 teams.. cuz D.R is better ... but this doesn't mean that we can't beat them :P)

GOOOO LEBANON :D:D

[WIZARD]

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Lebanon
4-Germany.. maybe nigeria
( iam taking into consideration that europe already have 7 cards to WC with 2 wild card = 9 cards for europe.. so i think it's enough to take just 2 wild cards.. and germany maybe out for this reason)
In my opinion, D.R have very small chance to get a wild card.. cuz according to the criteria for getting a wild card Lebanon and nigeria have the upper hand and by a big margin.. ( iam not talking about the level of the 3 teams.. cuz D.R is better ... but this doesn't mean that we can't beat them :P)

GOOOO LEBANON :D:D

heheh just to fix your fost its like this

1-Lithuania
2-germany
3-russia
4-lebanon>>>>>DR>>>>NG

putting lebanon ahead of Germany is blasphemy to be honest.... Germany in the past 10 was 1 of the best european teams even better than russia .
2001 3rd european
2002 3rd world championship
2005 2nd eurochampionship
2006 6th worldchampionship

[karim]

hey wizard ur acting like a person whos been watching jordan basketball since 2001 and whos mad everytime leb finishes 2nd when jordan finishes 7th and 10th :) im just saying ur true colors r showing 100% , better try hiding it a bit cuz it seems like ur 1 of these jordanians who has been so frustrated and jealous for 8 years and now cant believe they beat lebanon and finished 3rd u dont have to reply to my post but u dont have to attack leb everytime someone says something positive about them ....see u in turkey...and replace jamaal maaytah ur only good enough to stand around doing nothing if ur 8 feet not 7 :p and about the NT qouta and the 20 players jordan want to distribute on all the teams jor has only 4 decent players the rest of the population are all at the same level including little children and old men and women ...like i said wizard u should not spend so much time attacking lebanon and spend more time finding a girl and if u cant do that u can go vomit in some corner to feel better....sorry for the harsh words but i dont want some1 like u criticizing lebanon jordan has sucked for 10 years and no1 said a word now and just for teh record sirilanka can probably get a bronze medal in asia after 4 years of hard work so plz dont feel too proud , a 4th place finish in weeks of practice is better than years of practice and finishing 3rd so leb is still better nomatter how many times jordan won this year see u in 2011 and get a center for turkey ayman deis and zaid al khas are running out of youth medicine u cant keep them forever :p

[Lewis]

Karim shut your hole already.:mad:

don't start another fight


btw, Freedom of speech is part of the Human rights, but I guess you don't what that is :confused::confused:

[khaledlebanon]

heheh just to fix your fost its like this

1-Lithuania
2-germany
3-russia
4-lebanon>>>>>DR>>>>NG

putting lebanon ahead of Germany is blasphemy to be honest.... Germany in the past 10 was 1 of the best european teams even better than russia .
2001 3rd european
2002 3rd world championship
2005 2nd eurochampionship
2006 6th worldchampionship

i didn't say lebanon is better than germany .. but i said that the fourth wild card must be between germany and nigeria... depending on if fiba will give 3 wild cards or 2 wild cards for europe... this was my point..

so it's

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Germany
4-Lebanon

OR

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Lebanon
4-Nigeria

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION :D

i don't know why all the jordan people on this forum always offend us ( the lebanese) when ever we make any comment u must reply and say we are wrong .... we are both arabs we must be one hand ...

[Franz]

too bad "tradition" isn't part of the criteria for a wild card

Yet Italy managed to get wildcard in 2006, even though they finished 10 in Eurobasket 2005.

Like previously stated, Lithuania is a basketball nation with the sport being it's #1. They also have the most fans come to their games than any other country.

And sadly for me, they're one of the few countries this decade to beat USA.

I think Lithuania is more than qualified.

[-K2-]

Yet Italy managed to get wildcard in 2006, even though they finished 10 in Eurobasket 2005.

Like previously stated, Lithuania is a basketball nation with the sport being it's #1. They also have the most fans come to their games than any other country.

And sadly for me, they're one of the few countries this decade to beat USA.

I think Lithuania is more than qualified.

countries that have beated USA should automatically qualify to every major basketball tournament forever :)

[bloodhound]

In my mind, it is sure, that Africa without any chances to get WC...
Everything depends on Europe. If Europe will get two tickets, so another two should go for Lebanon and probably Dominica. If Europe with three tickets, so last place at WC will go for Lebanon.
Why Lebanon? Because basketball in this country is Number 1. This country participated in last 2 World champs. Also Lebanon is near the border of Turkey, what means that can expect will come many fans. Probably no chances that more than 100 people will travel such long distance to Turkey from Dominica...
What has Dominica? Probably the only argument - NBA players. But will they play? (Kings stopped Garcia from playing the most important match at Americas championship after finger injury. It says a lot).
Europe. Lithuania, Russia, Germany. Probably it will depend a lot what Nowitzki will say before start of NBA season. About Lithuania no need to talk, they will get this card, in the same way like Italy got it at 2006. Russia...Russia didn't get this card 3 years ago, this time they will get it.
Germany. Great performance in last 6 years, great position at FIBA's rating, financially attractive country(big TV audience), only need to wait Nowitzki's confirmation. If he will not play, so some chances for Dominica.

My prediction: Lithuania, Russia, Germany, Lebanon.

[rikhardur]

Good analysis bloodhound, fully agreed.

[Lewis]

In my mind, it is sure, that Africa without any chances to get WC...
Everything depends on Europe. If Europe will get two tickets, so another two should go for Lebanon and probably Dominica. If Europe with three tickets, so last place at WC will go for Lebanon.
Why Lebanon? Because basketball in this country is Number 1. This country participated in last 2 World champs. Also Lebanon is near the border of Turkey, what means that can expect will come many fans. Probably no chances that more than 100 people will travel such long distance to Turkey from Dominica...
What has Dominica? Probably the only argument - NBA players. But will they play? (Kings stopped Garcia from playing the most important match at Americas championship after finger injury. It says a lot).
Europe. Lithuania, Russia, Germany. Probably it will depend a lot what Nowitzki will say before start of NBA season. About Lithuania no need to talk, they will get this card, in the same way like Italy got it at 2006. Russia...Russia didn't get this card 3 years ago, this time they will get it.
Germany. Great performance in last 6 years, great position at FIBA's rating, financially attractive country(big TV audience), only need to wait Nowitzki's confirmation. If he will not play, so some chances for Dominica.

My prediction: Lithuania, Russia, Germany, Lebanon.

hahahahahahahahahahah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica
vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic

LOL
A little bit of geography :D:D:D:D

[karim]

100% true bloodhound u cant be more accurate in what u said , me and my friends will be traveling next year if lebanon qualify i have been to turkey before nice country and everything there is nice and not expensive ....I just read this on our lebanese basketball group on facebook ......

نقلت صحيفة "اللواء" عن مصادر موثوقة تأكيدها ان بطاقة دعوة لبنان الى مونديال كرة السلة المقرر العام المقبل في تركيا، تسير نحو خاتمتها السعيدة، وذلك بعد بروز عامل ضاغط باتجاه ذلك

translation:A local newspaper said that a very trusted source says that lebanons invitation to the WBC is very well on its way and thats after a very important factor that has recently happened to go in lebanons favor ....it does not say anymore than that but hopefully a lebanese here knows more on the subject ....

[Mojado]

hahahahahahahahahahah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominica
vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic

LOL
A little bit of geography :D:D:D:D

@Bloodhound:
No, Dominica can't get a wildcard, as they did not play the Caribbean Championships:D Maybe we can merge both countries so Garth Joseph is able to play in a FIBA national-team tournament:D

Your analysis is just a summary of all the previous ones stated before here and in other threads, but accurate.:cool:
Its now all about lobbyism and who has the longer d... of them:D

[WIZARD]

i didn't say lebanon is better than germany .. but i said that the fourth wild card must be between germany and nigeria... depending on if fiba will give 3 wild cards or 2 wild cards for europe... this was my point..

so it's

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Germany
4-Lebanon

OR

1-Lithuania
2-Russia
3-Lebanon
4-Nigeria

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION :D

i don't know why all the jordan people on this forum always offend us ( the lebanese) when ever we make any comment u must reply and say we are wrong .... we are both arabs we must be one hand ...

and when did i attack lebanon my friend? i have nothing against your post considering lebanon having a wildcard i just said that the order is little bit inaccurate..germany comes in the second place lebanon in 4th place as europe has the privilege and becuz its the strongest zone..not becuz lebanon doesnt deserve it..

[Lewis]

@Bloodhound:
No, Dominica can't get a wildcard, as they did not play the Caribbean Championships:D Maybe we can merge both countries so Garth Joseph is able to play in a FIBA national-team tournament:D


LOL there are more chances of Samuel Dalembert playing for a Unified Hispaniola Team than that happening :D:D:D:D

[Gytaz]

Secretary General of Lithuanian basketball federation (LKF) Mindaugas Balčiūnas went to Geneva to talk the bosses of FIBA. It looks like teams have to pay a large sum for the wild card and LKF does not have that kind of money. Well, I think that in the worst case scenario our government would find the needed money, but still - FIBA sucks.

I think, there might be surprises, when FIBA announces the wild card winners.

[pohani komarac]

like I said FIBA, NBA, and ULEB care only for money and more money

In Croatia we say: "Poor people and for Good you are heavy"

[PRSURF]

like I said FIBA, NBA, and ULEB care only for money and more money

In Croatia we say: "Poor people and for Good you are heavy"Thats how they can only survive pohani...

[pohani komarac]

Thats how they can only survive pohani...

right having 150 million euros is life savior than 100 millions.

[Lietuvis]

right having 150 million euros is life savior than 100 millions.

Someone has to pay the FIBA fat cats...

[Dtown]

If Lithuania is having trouble with dealing with FIBA's bribe money, I'd say it benefits Great Britain the most who has the backing of the NBA, and deep pockets with the 2012 olympics.

While I hope for the game to succeed in Britain, them getting a nod over Lithuania would be mind blowing.

[Franz]

So now it's looking like Lithuania AND Lebanon both miss out due to money issues. FIBA is becoming a joke organization as we speak.

[rtk04]

So now it's looking like Lithuania AND Lebanon both miss out due to money issues. FIBA is becoming a joke organization as we speak.

concerning the 4th wild card that is not going to Europe...i think none of the teams have the ability to pay much....

[karim]

hope the teams who pay arent TOO bad like Japan,UAE or Qatar from asia ....Libya from africa....Great Britain(without deng) from europe ...if any of these teams go than it really is a joke ...great britain not too much and it would be fine if deng is there...i heard they made an offer for lithuania to pay less and the reason is obvious and its cuz fiba wants money but at the same if lithuania is not taken than it would look too obvious and thats not good nor fiba ...but the wildcard invitations were invented for teams who deserve to be at WBC but couldnt qualify to be there like the teams picked in 2006 and like lithuania and russia for this year but now its looking more like for the teams to pay fiba money .....teams like germany,lithuania and lebanon should not really pay for this and instead either get invited for free or not go cuz they its not really worth it . Its not really a dream for these countries since they were in the world cups on 2002 and 2006 like if lebanon were asked to pay for the 2008 olympics they definitely would cuz they missed their chance in the final and it was a very sad and shocking results but to WBC2010 not too much we just wanetd to be there cuz we want the streak going but its definitely not a dream ...even being there as a wildcard isnt exactly the same as qualifying so if theres money involved i see teams who want this more paying ...best example is great britain they never were at the world championship + the exposure with the other teams would get them ready for the olympics + cuz they are the next host this gives them a bit of favoribility despite their lower level than other euro teams ....

[Franz]

^^^ So you only want to go to WC to keep streak alive? Well, if that's the consensus among the Lebanese fans, then maybe it's a good thing after all that Lebanon may not get wildcard.

Honestly, it's getting sickening how a lot of people are using the WC as a stepping stool to the freaking 2012 Olympics which is 2 and a half years from now. This tournament has no effect on the 2012 Olympics except for the team who wins the gold medal.

As much as I think these wildcards are a joke, I think they may turn out to be beneficial in the long run with pay to play criteria. It proves to me, which teams want to genuinely play in one of the biggest events in basketball and which teams don't.

[pohani komarac]

^^^ So you only want to go to WC to keep streak alive? Well, if that's the consensus among the Lebanese fans, then maybe it's a good thing after all that Lebanon may not get wildcard.

Honestly, it's getting sickening how a lot of people are using the WC as a stepping stool to the freaking 2012 Olympics which is 2 and a half years from now. This tournament has no effect on the 2012 Olympics except for the team who wins the gold medal.

As much as I think these wildcards are a joke, I think they may turn out to be beneficial in the long run with pay to play criteria. It proves to me, which teams want to genuinely play in one of the biggest events in basketball and which teams don't.

I don't know about Lebanon but teams like Croatia and Lithuania are in MUST change generation situations and doing that in eurobasket that leads to Olyimpics is way to riskiy because Eurobasket is much tougher competition than American or Asian championship. And you are also worrying to much becouse neither Croatio and Lithuania won't com with uncompetitive teams and it's not like we would be more competitive with curent teams

[bsgermany]

^^^ If Nowitzki decides to sit out again (which is likely), I think FIBA will go with another team. In which case, I could see both Lebanon and Dominican Republic getting invited.

I don't know where you get your information from, but it's highly unlikely that Nowitzki would sit out the WC in Turkey. If it wasn't for the promise to Cuban about sitting out 2009, he would have been in Poland as well.

It's so funny to see another thread about this wildcard topic here in this forum with the same stuff being repeated over and over again. :D:D

@ rtk04: Opening up as many threads as possible won't increase Lebanon's chances for the wildcard! Aren't you guys from Lebanon slowly getting tired of writing the same stuff over and over again?
Maybe I should open another thread today called "isn't it unfair to give a wildcard to Lebanon?".

[Lietuvis]

As much as I think these wildcards are a joke, I think they may turn out to be beneficial in the long run with pay to play criteria. It proves to me, which teams want to genuinely play in one of the biggest events in basketball and which teams don't.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you think that to get a wildcard you should have money? So only the rich countries should participate and those that are stronger teams, have a huge following and long basketball tradition should just sit and watch?

[bobo81]

Mo' Money...Mo' Problems...

http://cache3.vuze.com/assets/962/14934269/79471/DR3FGZ3BQPJAMF3TWEEHE7NS75RPA6FT.jpg

[rtk04]

I don't know where you get your information from, but it's highly unlikely that Nowitzki would sit out the WC in Turkey. If it wasn't for the promise to Cuban about sitting out 2009, he would have been in Poland as well.

It's so funny to see another thread about this wildcard topic here in this forum with the same stuff being repeated over and over again. :D:D

@ rtk04: Opening up as many threads as possible won't increase Lebanon's chances for the wildcard! Aren't you guys from Lebanon slowly getting tired of writing the same stuff over and over again?
Maybe I should open another thread today called "isn't it unfair to give a wildcard to Lebanon?".

this thread was opened the day Euro 2009 ended... concerning us...we are waiting december 13th and we stopped talking about the issue...so i dont care if the thread is closed...if the mods are here...feel free to close this thread that i opened

[karim]

we opened the thread not cuz we have to but its fun to hear every1,s thoughts and see what people from all over the world think ....and its no harm if people share their thoughts even if the wildcard draw is in 2020 it doesnt really matter ...theres a lebanese guy(wont say his name) who always come heres and says please guys lets wait till dec 13 , when i see this i see the stupidity in this guy as if we,re fighting here or if we post too much hes gonna lose a leg so for sure theres nothing wrong with people talking about their opinions and opening the thread was a very good idea if someone does not like it just dont comment the basketball forum is not for your father :p

[fastbreak]

Lithuania has to get a wildcard! They are a basketball nation and without them the tournament wouldnt be the same. As for the other 3... If they choose the best teams they will pick 4 European teams but that wont happen.

The teams that should get the wildcard

Lithuania
Russia
Italy
UK


One wildcard will go to Asia/Africa thats for sure...

[rikhardur]

Lithuania has to get a wildcard! They are a basketball nation and without them the tournament wouldnt be the same. As for the other 3... If they choose the best teams they will pick 4 European teams but that wont happen.

The teams that should get the wildcard

Lithuania
Russia
Italy
UK


One wildcard will go to Asia/Africa thats for sure...
Why UK and Italy fastbreak?

[fastbreak]

Why UK and Italy fastbreak?

Because with healthy rosters they are two of the four best teams that didnt qualify yet...

[PRSURF]

Lithuania has to get a wildcard! They are a basketball nation and without them the tournament wouldnt be the same. As for the other 3... If they choose the best teams they will pick 4 European teams but that wont happen.

The teams that should get the wildcard

Lithuania
Russia
Italy
UK


One wildcard will go to Asia/Africa thats for sure...Huh?, Italy?, UK?, these two at the same time?, please, go to other place with your European Love History!!!

[fastbreak]

Huh?, Italy?, UK?, these two at the same time?, please, go to other place with your European Love History!!!

Who is better?

[pohani komarac]

dosen't matter who is better. team that didn't qualify for EC don't deserve WC ticket. And last one they got was undeserved. And as for GB there are few teams that finished better then them and play basketball more that two years

[Dtown]

Who is better?

Than Italy? Well aside from the ones you mentioned arguably Bulgaria, Israel, Latvia, Poland, FYR Macedonia, Germany and you can make a strong case for Finland (hey they actually beat France along with splitting with Italy). That's just Europe by the way, I'd definitely take the Dominican Republic over them.

Italy is a fantastic team on paper, but they've stunk the last two years. Italy did the right thing by not asking for Wild Card.

[Fedfan]

500.000 Euros and that's only as a special discount for Lithuania.Nice.:cool:

[Franz]

Italy's coach is just very bad. If they had someone better, they would no doubt be a top European team. However, it doesn't look they're doing much of anything about that.

[fastbreak]

I just said if they go with quality they would pick those four teams, of course they wont pick 4 european teams....

[SwaggaLikeThat]

I don't think the talent in Europe is at the level it needs to be yet but it will be soon