Philippines' Fiba Ranking

[dreamwalker]

In the latest FIBA world rankings, the Philippines is way below the totem pole at No. 65. Only Indonesia, in a two-way tie for No. 71, is listed lower among the 16 teams now in Tokushima for the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifiers.

The Philippines topped the recent SEABA Championships to gain a ticket to Tokushima and runner-up Indonesia also clinched a berth as the second entry from the FIBA-Asia sub-zone. Obviously, there is little regard in FIBA’s eyes for SEABA where Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore and Vietnam fall under.

The highest ranked FIBA team in Tokushima is No. 11 China.

Here are the world rankings of the other countries in the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifiers – No. 23 Lebanon, No. 25 South Korea, No. 27 Qatar, No. 31 Japan, No. 37 Iran, No. 40 Chinese-Taipei, No. 44 Syria, No. 45 Kuwait, No. 47 India, No. 50 Hong Kong, Kazakhstan and Jordan (tied for No. 56) and No. 61 United Arab Emirates.

Only 73 countries were listed in FIBA’s latest world rankings with Madagascar at the bottom of the heap.

[FilWelsh]

In the latest FIBA world rankings, the Philippines is way below the totem pole at No. 65. Only Indonesia, in a two-way tie for No. 71, is listed lower among the 16 teams now in Tokushima for the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifiers.

The Philippines topped the recent SEABA Championships to gain a ticket to Tokushima and runner-up Indonesia also clinched a berth as the second entry from the FIBA-Asia sub-zone. Obviously, there is little regard in FIBA’s eyes for SEABA where Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore and Vietnam fall under.

The highest ranked FIBA team in Tokushima is No. 11 China.

Here are the world rankings of the other countries in the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifiers – No. 23 Lebanon, No. 25 South Korea, No. 27 Qatar, No. 31 Japan, No. 37 Iran, No. 40 Chinese-Taipei, No. 44 Syria, No. 45 Kuwait, No. 47 India, No. 50 Hong Kong, Kazakhstan and Jordan (tied for No. 56) and No. 61 United Arab Emirates.

Only 73 countries were listed in FIBA’s latest world rankings with Madagascar at the bottom of the heap.

RP ranked at 65th does not reflect their current performance in Asian level. In this latest FIBA ranking they are way behind by Chinese-Taipei(no.40), Syria(no.44) and Kuwait(no.45). Teams that they have beaten in recent tournaments. . . I would say, the real ranking RP would be No.38 after Iran(no.37). . .

[real75]

Our ranking is due to our absence for 2 years....

Tha't why their is a need for RP to play in every game sanctioned by FIBA...

The sad thing is that we cannot send teams to higher invitational since we have not participated in some elimnations like under 18 due to suspension.. Hopefully we will be ranked higher after 2008 pa.. A long way to go..

Teams need higher ranking to be seeded in the tournament... Seeded team has a better chance since lower teams are not seeded and always landed against strong teams

[arnoldt]

same reason why the philippines is still a third world country ......................

POLITICS!!!

[Phantim3dx]

im surprised taipan/that fat bear hasn't responded yet.

with a topic line such as this, i thought they'd jump the gun

[kryptoniac]

im surprised taipan/that fat bear hasn't responded yet.

with a topic line such as this, i thought they'd jump the gun


Lolz:p !

[saints13]

ok lng yan!!! :D

we can't transform overnight..it will take a decade of pursuit of excellence, rankings will just follow :)

[JET007]

same reason why the philippines is still a third world country ......................

POLITICS!!!
off topic: PHI aint third world... its a NEWLY-INDUSTRALIZED COUNTRY...check wiki

FIBA ratings so inaccurate!

[bolabasket]

FIBA Rankings are based on the country's performance in FIBA Tournaments. Malaysia, although acknowledged as much weaker than RP is ranked ahead of us because of being SEA Games Champion. Even Kuwait, UAE and India are ahead because even if they're losing in FIBA Tournaments, they win some of them and they always send their true National Team (you earn points by placement (ranking in the tournament). RP participated in these FIBA Events courtesy of Graham &%#$*)! Lim with his "pirated National Team" and the 2-years ban cost us enough points that Malaysia, et.al. overtook us. Hopefully, we must not stop sending our true NT just for this Olympic qualifier but also in all FIBA-Sanctioned events where NTs are requested.

[pinoyballer]

The highest ranked FIBA team in Tokushima is No. 11 China.

Here are the world rankings of the other countries in the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifiers – No. 23 Lebanon, No. 25 South Korea, No. 27 Qatar, No. 31 Japan, No. 37 Iran, No. 40 Chinese-Taipei, No. 44 Syria, No. 45 Kuwait, No. 47 India, No. 50 Hong Kong, Kazakhstan and Jordan (tied for No. 56) and No. 61 United Arab Emirates.
The rankings are all messed up. Why are Kuwait, India and HK rated above Kazakhstan and Jordan?

If the Philippines take 9th or 10th, it might go past No. 50 HK.

I think the semifinalists in Tokushima will be Iran, Jordan, South Korea, and Lebanon, with Japan as the darkhorse. With what it has shown so far, Iran might be second best in Asia.

[thugpinoy]

The rankings are all messed up. Why are Kuwait, India and HK rated above Kazakhstan and Jordan?

If the Philippines take 9th or 10th, it might go past No. 50 HK.

I think the semifinalists in Tokushima will be Iran, Jordan, South Korea, and Lebanon, with Japan as the darkhorse. With what it has shown so far, Iran might be second best in Asia.

I think Japan is the " Llamado " in this Tournament, with hostile crowd and having a Olympic Dream of their own.
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[saints13]

off topic: PHI aint third world... its a NEWLY-INDUSTRALIZED COUNTRY...check wiki

FIBA ratings so inaccurate!

off-topic:

Philippines? NIC? that's a farse.

[joel23]

The reason why we're 2 year suspended. Suspended kills Philippine team ranking points...

[Butata]

FIBA will most probably update their rankings after all the Continental Championships are completed and we'll definitely see us already ahead of all the Southeast Asian teams as well as Syria, Kuwait, UAE, India and Hongkong. That should be around the 41st to 45th places.:)

[joel23]

I can't understand about Philippine National played in international competitions. Sometimes they do win against stronger teams and lose to weaker teams. Coach Chot Reyes I don't know what's his mind. The establish in defense doesn't click.(Puro paulit-ulit pinuntahan mga depensa nila. For me I watched playing the New Philippine National Team it's 35% real Filipino level...

[Ventisei26]

Why don't the FIBA change its ranking monthly, just like what the FIFA are doing, which they change their ranking every month.

[Phantim3dx]

off-topic:

Philippines? NIC? that's a farse.


haha i second that

[bolabasket]

off-topic:

Philippines? NIC? that's a farse.
NIC - Not In China

[bolabasket]

If we finish 9th place, we'll earn 10 points. If we lose to China, we'll get 9 points (from wiki).
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/points.gif

Whether 9th or 10th place, we will rise from 65th to just behind Syria (assuming Syria gets 11th place---8 points) and Kazakhstan (assuming 8th place---11 points earned). We'll overtake Saudi Arabia who pulled out of the tournament.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/ranking.gif

[crouchingtiger]

The rankings are all messed up. Why are Kuwait, India and HK rated above Kazakhstan and Jordan?

If the Philippines take 9th or 10th, it might go past No. 50 HK.

I think the semifinalists in Tokushima will be Iran, Jordan, South Korea, and Lebanon, with Japan as the darkhorse. With what it has shown so far, Iran might be second best in Asia.
Iran displayed a very efficient team work oriented euro basketball this year. Looking at their play, you almost feel like you are watching a euro club team, you can't name a superstar in the likes of Madanly or Khatib in Iran, but with good team work, they executed the tactic well, shut down their opponents offense, I think this years final match will feature Iran vs South Korea. Iran definitely is the second best in Asia

[jazperson]

That will be a good move for us to get up the rankings. It's better than nothing. I also believe that we can beat China later. Anyway, it will be a non bearing game but it is still China's B NT.

[b3lowzro]

just wondering what will be our ranking if we defeated china b tomorrow or if china b defeats us?
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[mikoboy78]

do u guys really understand what computation FIBA is doing with the rankings???

Are all our wins before especially the 3rd place finish at the 1954 FIBA World Championships included in our score? IF yes, then why the hell our country have only three points???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:

Then what about the other Olympics we had participated and the ABC or the FIBA Asia Championships we had won or at least landed a good place...

What the hell happend to that points????

Can someone enlightened us...:confused:

[b3lowzro]

do u guys really understand what computation FIBA is doing with the rankings???

Are all our wins before especially the 3rd place finish at the 1954 FIBA World Championships included in our score? IF yes, then why the hell our country have only three points???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:

Then what about the other Olympics we had participated and the ABC or the FIBA Asia Championships we had won or at least landed a good place...

What the hell happend to that points????

Can someone enlightened us...:confused:

i think they reset the points that we earn from international competitions after 2 or 4 years
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[mikoboy78]

i think they reset the points that we earn from international competitions after 2 or 4 years

how true is that???!!!:confused:

[ilnewgnay]

If we finish 9th place, we'll earn 10 points. If we lose to China, we'll get 9 points (from wiki).
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/points.gif

Whether 9th or 10th place, we will rise from 65th to just behind Syria (assuming Syria gets 11th place---8 points) and Kazakhstan (assuming 8th place---11 points earned). We'll overtake Saudi Arabia who pulled out of the tournament.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/ranking.gif



hi, mate, you ignored the WEIGHT of CONTINENT of the points.
look at this link: http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html


The weight of Asia events, which you must use to multiple the rank points, is only 0.3,.


For instance, the Philippines obtained the 9th with 10 points. It needs to be multipled 0.3, which equals 3. So the updated points of Philippines will be 6.6 points.


The new place of Philippines will be around 56th, following Mozambique, Malaysia and Czech Republic.


However, look at the current 56th, Kazakhstan and Jordan. The final rank of Kazakhstan will be 3rd or 4th in this event, and Jordan will be 5th or 6th. Therefore, their points will increase at least 4.5 and 3.9, respectively. Obviously, their new ranks will be higher than Philippines.


So, the final rank of Philippines should be 58th with 6.6 points.

[mikoboy78]

why are they reseting the points every 2 or 4 years???

if theyre not doing that maybe we are on a better position...

[joel23]

Just laughing that PBA is 1st timer to joining FIBA-Asia Olympic Qualifier. When only joining Asian games in 4 straight times and snapping during in 2006 because of suspension. After the suspension the PBA All-stars 1st time PBA team to FIBA-Asia and SEABA tournament. In SEABA the first timer team has dominated against the poor teams. In FIBA-Asia which placed in 9th place and cannot break former PABL or PBL players placing mark. The PBL(formerly PABL) players has highest as Champion in 1985, 7th, 5th compared to the PBA All-stars only placed 9th. Wow its a shame! The Philippine Amateur(a philipine junior league)is better than Philippine professional players(a philippine senior)? Impossible! It's kind of joke!

[b3lowzro]

Just laughing that PBA is 1st timer to joining FIBA-Asia Olympic Qualifier. When only joining Asian games in 4 straight times and snapping during in 2006 because of suspension. After the suspension the PBA All-stars 1st time PBA team to FIBA-Asia and SEABA tournament. In SEABA the first timer team has dominated against the poor teams. In FIBA-Asia which placed in 9th place and cannot break former PABL or PBL players placing mark. The PBL(formerly PABL) players has highest as Champion in 1985, 7th, 5th compared to the PBA All-stars only placed 9th. Wow its a shame! The Philippine Amateur(a philipine junior league)is better than Philippine professional players(a philippine senior)? Impossible! It's kind of joke!

bro back then other countries compared to the PH, PRC, Korea, Taiwan and Japan has no good basketball programs for their NT's and back then Ron Jacobs was the team coach and introduced new techniques which was new to Asian basketball. So please stop comparing the past with the present. The situation is different now okay!
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[pepiyows]

hi, mate, you ignored the WEIGHT of CONTINENT of the points.
look at this link: http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html


The weight of Asia events, which you must use to multiple the rank points, is only 0.3,.


For instance, the Philippines obtained the 9th with 10 points. It needs to be multipled 0.3, which equals 3. So the updated points of Philippines will be 6.6 points.


The new place of Philippines will be around 56th, following Mozambique, Malaysia and Czech Republic.


However, look at the current 56th, Kazakhstan and Jordan. The final rank of Kazakhstan will be 3rd or 4th in this event, and Jordan will be 5th or 6th. Therefore, their points will increase at least 4.5 and 3.9, respectively. Obviously, their new ranks will be higher than Philippines.


So, the final rank of Philippines should be 58th with 6.6 points.

:eek: ... it means that FIBA Ranking is for the ENTIRE BASKETBALL PROGRAM of the country!

1. Event selection and weight

Event name Weight

2 FIBA World Championships (Men or Women) 5
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments (Men or Women) 5
2 FIBA U19 World Championships (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA U21 World Championships (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA Africa Championships (Men or Women) 0.2
2 FIBA Americas Championships (Men or Women) 0.8
2 FIBA Asia Championships (Men or Women) (Men or Women) 0.3
2 FIBA Europe Championships (Eurobasket) (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA Oceania Championships (Men or Women) 0.1

i noticed that we don't have a competitive RP NT for Women... this definitely pulls us down in the rankings!

anyways, as what willie revillame always say, "i don't care about the ratings (rankings), so long as the viewers (RP NT basketball fans) remain no. 1" *i.e., everytime other stations/programs overtake his* :)

CHEERS to our RP NT!

%^)

[protossdomain]

Look guys, just forget about that darn rankings ok? Can't we just relax, play and support Philippine basketball? >_<

[jovani_pineda]

even though were at 65, we are still the only asian team who has best finishes in olympics and world championships.

[pepiyows]

:eek: ... it means that FIBA Ranking is for the ENTIRE BASKETBALL PROGRAM of the country!

1. Event selection and weight

Event name Weight

2 FIBA World Championships (Men or Women) 5
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments (Men or Women) 5
2 FIBA U19 World Championships (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA U21 World Championships (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA Africa Championships (Men or Women) 0.2
2 FIBA Americas Championships (Men or Women) 0.8
2 FIBA Asia Championships (Men or Women) (Men or Women) 0.3
2 FIBA Europe Championships (Eurobasket) (Men or Women) 1
2 FIBA Oceania Championships (Men or Women) 0.1

i noticed that we don't have a competitive RP NT for Women... this definitely pulls us down in the rankings!

anyways, as what willie revillame always say, "i don't care about the ratings (rankings), so long as the viewers (RP NT basketball fans) remain no. 1" *i.e., everytime other stations/programs overtake his* :)

CHEERS to our RP NT!

%^)

ERRATUM: i just read about the separate FIBA rankings for MEN and WOMEN *hihi*

the funny thing is, RP Women's NT is ranked at 53... while our RP Men's NT is only at 62 :)

my apologies to our RP Women's NT... it's the RP Men's NT which pulls us down in the combined rankings!@#$%^

%^)

[pepiyows]

how was the additional POINT (i.e. without S in the end, it didn't even reach 1) computed for the RP Men's NT???

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62. Philippines PHI 4.2 0.6
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10 (pts) * 0.3 (wieght), RP Mens' NT should have been added by 3 pts. instead of just 0.6 pt. !!!!

%^)

[bolabasket]

Somebody has to explain the points system in ranking.....
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/ranks2007.gif

[pepiyows]

Somebody has to explain the points system in ranking.....
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/ranks2007.gif

calling interbasket's officionados...

HELP!!!

%^)

[bolabasket]

The closest computation i could get is 3.9 points. Somewhere, FIBA gave us 1 pt in an event or 0.3 total points to achieve 4.2 points. I just don't know how....
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/compute.gif

[pepiyows]

The closest computation i could get is 3.9 points. Somewhere, FIBA gave us 1 pt in an event or 0.3 total points to achieve 4.2 points. I just don't know how....
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/compute.gif


:confused:

in my own analysis *while waiting for the officinados' response*

this is something FUN *hihi*

I guess it has something to do with the RANKINGS "prior to this tournament" (?):

let's take a look at CHINA:

CHINA is ranked no. 1 so they are expected to get 15 points (i.e., 50 pts. x 0.3) , right?

But they only managed to get 2.7 pts.from their 10th place finish (i.e., 9 pts. x 0.3).

So, instead of getting 2.7 pts., they instead get -12.3 pts. (i.e., 2.7 pts - 15 pts.)

HOUSTON, do you copy? *hehe*

now, let's take a look at KOREA:

KOREA must be ranked no. 2 so they are expected to get 12 pts. (40 pts. x 0.3), right?

But they only managed to get 9 pts. from their 3rd place finish (i.e., 30 pts. x 0.3).

So, instead of getting 9 pts., they instead get -3 pts. (i.e., 9 pts - 12 pts.)

now, lets take on the CHAMPIONS - IRAN!!!

IRAN is sure to have been ranked lower than their 1st place finish.

So, to make it short, they got the full 15 points (i.e., 15 pts. x 0.3)!

now, let's take on our neighbor INDONESIA:

INDONESIA should be ranked lower than 12th.

Since they ranked higher after the tournament, they were granted the full 2.1 pts. (i.e., 9 pts. x 0.3)!

Now, for the PHILIPPINES:

PHILIPPINES should be ranked LOWER THAN 9 (this may be the reason why we are bracketed in the GROUP OF DEATH!).

Since we ranked higher after the tournament, we should be also granted with the full 3.0 pts. (i.e., 10 pts. x 0.3)!

Why did we instead get 0.6 pt. ?????!@#$%^&*() :eek:

%^)

P.S. i got it smoothly for the other countries, why didn't i get it right for our country???!!! *duh*

[ilnewgnay]

hi, guys, I think I have caught the key.


Look at this note:
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle. (How it works)
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html


2 Olympic Games cycle, which means 8 years. Therefore the rank of this asia championship must be compared with the rank 8 years ago, which is asia championship 1999 held in Fukuoka, Japan.


Look at the rank in 1999:
1CHN
2KOR
3KSA
4TPE
5JPN
6KUW
7LIB
8SYR
9UBZ
10UAE
11PHI
12BRN
13HKG
14THA
15MAS


China finished gold in 1999 and just 10th in 2007. So the difference is -12.3=(9-50)*0.3

South Korea:silver in 1999 and bronze in 2007. The difference is -3.0=(30-40)*0.3

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: bronze in 1999 and suspended in 2007. The difference is -9.0=(0-30)*0.3


Iran: Out of 16th in 1999 and gold in 2007. The difference is 15.0=(50-0)*0.3

Kazakhstan: Out of 16th in 1999 and 4th in 2007. The difference is 4.5=(15-0)*0.3


Try some more:

Japan: 5th in 1999 and 8th in 2007. Difference: -0.9=(11-14)*0.3

Chinese Taipei: 4th in 1999 and 6th in 2007. Difference: -0.6=(13-15)*0.3

Qatar: Out of 16th in 1999 and 7th in 2007. Difference: 3.6=(12-0)*0.3

Jordan: Out of 16th in 1999 and 5th in 2007. Difference: 4.2=(14-0)*0.3


Philippines: 11th in 1999 and 9th in 2007. Difference: 0.6=(10-8)*0.3



So, everything has been explained perfectly, except Lebanon.

Lebanon: 7th in 1999 and silver in 2007. The difference should be 8.4=(40-12)*0.3 but the figure showed on the website is 7.4. I would believe that it should be a mistake.

[bolabasket]

hi, guys, I think I have caught the key.


Look at this note:
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle. (How it works)
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html


2 Olympic Games cycle, which means 8 years. Therefore the rank of this asia championship must be compared with the rank 8 years ago, which is asia championship 1999 held in Fukuoka, Japan.


Look at the rank in 1999:
1CHN
2KOR
3KSA
4TPE
5JPN
6KUW
7LIB
8SYR
9UBZ
10UAE
11PHI
12BRN
13HKG
14THA
15MAS


China finished gold in 1999 and just 10th in 2007. So the difference is -12.3=(9-50)*0.3

South Korea:silver in 1999 and bronze in 2007. The difference is -3.0=(30-40)*0.3

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia: bronze in 1999 and suspended in 2007. The difference is -9.0=(0-30)*0.3


Iran: Out of 16th in 1999 and gold in 2007. The difference is 15.0=(50-0)*0.3

Kazakhstan: Out of 16th in 1999 and 4th in 2007. The difference is 4.5=(15-0)*0.3


Try some more:

Japan: 5th in 1999 and 8th in 2007. Difference: -0.9=(11-14)*0.3

Chinese Taipei: 4th in 1999 and 6th in 2007. Difference: -0.6=(13-15)*0.3

Qatar: Out of 16th in 1999 and 7th in 2007. Difference: 3.6=(12-0)*0.3

Jordan: Out of 16th in 1999 and 5th in 2007. Difference: 4.2=(14-0)*0.3


Philippines: 11th in 1999 and 9th in 2007. Difference: 0.6=(10-8)*0.3



So, everything has been explained perfectly, except Lebanon.

Lebanon: 7th in 1999 and silver in 2007. The difference should be 8.4=(40-12)*0.3 but the figure showed on the website is 7.4. I would believe that it should be a mistake.
Thanks Yang Wen Li....you're a genius!

with regards to Lebanon, I think it has something to do with their 14th place (5 pts) finish in recent U19 World Championships. I guess you'll do the math for this.

[pepiyows]

hi, guys, I think I have caught the key.

2 Olympic Games cycle, which means 8 years. Therefore the rank of this asia championship must be compared with the rank 8 years ago, which is asia championship 1999 held in Fukuoka, Japan.

Look at the rank in 1999:
1CHN
2KOR
3KSA
4TPE
5JPN
6KUW
7LIB
8SYR
9UBZ
10UAE
11PHI
12BRN
13HKG
14THA
15MAS

Philippines: 11th in 1999 and 9th in 2007. Difference: 0.6=(10-8)*0.3

So, everything has been explained perfectly, except Lebanon.

Lebanon: 7th in 1999 and silver in 2007. The difference should be 8.4=(40-12)*0.3 but the figure showed on the website is 7.4. I would believe that it should be a mistake.

*whoa* that's my missing parameter... the 1999 Rankings!

now that's PERFECT!!!

*hmmmn* as for LEBANON:

they already gained 6.1 pts. in the U19 2007 C'ships for men; 63.1 + 8.4 = 71.4

... FIBA's figure for LEBANON might be wrong after all! :eek:

CHEERS!

%^)

[bolabasket]

That's Gary V

[anifarap]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/999/selNodeID/999/rankMen.html

[aklanarcher]

congrats. modest improvement. we have a long ways to go. that's what we get for playing in the group of death.

[Holy Hand Grenade]

Hmmm... still behind Malaysia. And they didn't even qualify for Tokushima.

[pachador]

I'm not concerned about rankings . FIBA can rank as # 1000 and it wont bother me. Whats important is we win tournaments.

[Dinamita]

I dont really understand this rankings...:rolleyes:

Malaysia is higher than RP...

whooo... now im afraid with them...:rolleyes:

whooo HONGKONG is better than RP coz they rank higher than us.... :rolleyes:

in order to rank higher we need to play in these tournaments and win....the FIBA Asia Championship for Women, the FIBA U21 World Championship for Women, the FIBA U19 World Championship for Men, the FIBA Asia Championship for Men and the FIBA U19 World Championship for Women...

[limlioanglix]

I dont really understand this rankings...:rolleyes:

Malaysia is higher than RP...

whooo... now im afraid with them...:rolleyes:

whooo HONGKONG is better than RP coz they rank higher than us.... :rolleyes:

in order to rank higher we need to play in these tournaments and win....the FIBA Asia Championship for Women, the FIBA U21 World Championship for Women, the FIBA U19 World Championship for Men, the FIBA Asia Championship for Men and the FIBA U19 World Championship for Women...

not necessary to win the tournament... the most important is participation... If the country participate then we are sure that the country will get the points to up his ranking... regarding on why Malaysia and Hongkong are up on us, it is because the Philippines are suspended by FIBA... FIBA ranking are for two years participation of a country.

[Dinamita]

Do you actually believe that the reason why they are higher than us is because of the 2 yrs suspension? I dont think so.. Its because we werent actually focusing on FIBA GAMES... we sent amature players in FIBA ASIA and kept on loosing... thanks to GO TENG KOK!

we only use our best NT during ASIAN GAMES.... thats why many PINOY DIE HARD FANS are expecting the RP team to win the FIBA ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIP this year because its the first time in long years that we sent an all PRO TEAM...


not necessary to win the tournament

are you kidding me? :rolleyes: the more win you have the more points you get...;)

[usausa]

Malaysia i think is higher because they have participated in the bigger tournaments more than RP because of ban.

[usausa]

woops, didnt see above posts sorry

[hari ng basketball]

Because of the former BAP our rp team suffer so much. Sending national team compose of average player and ex-pro to the international arena to represent us is disrespecful to basketball fans here in our country... Remember they form a rp team composed of,then young,nino canleta, samigue eman,ricky calimag,etc. (if im not mistaken ryan reyes is also in their)
and battling it out for an exhibition game vs. a paranaque team, organize by anjo ylana, loosing to that before even going to an international touranament.

But for now I think its a blessing in disguise for having a lower ranking, because its trigger our official to find more younger and talented fil-foreigner or homegrown talent, to develop them to form a strong national team.:D

[donlyn]

Because of the former BAP our rp team suffer so much. Sending national team compose of average player and ex-pro to the international arena to represent us is disrespecful to basketball fans here in our country... Remember they form a rp team composed of,then young,nino canleta, samigue eman,ricky calimag,etc. (if im not mistaken ryan reyes is also in their)
and battling it out for an exhibition game vs. a paranaque team, organize by anjo ylana, loosing to that before even going to an international touranament.

But for now I think its a blessing in disguise for having a lower ranking, because its trigger our official to find more younger and talented fil-foreigner or homegrown talent, to develop them to form a strong national team.:D

sir watch the foul language on your title....:eek:

[phevergy]

Do you actually believe that the reason why they are higher than us is because of the 2 yrs suspension? I dont think so.. Its because we werent

posted by dinamita
actually focusing on FIBA GAMES... we sent amature players in FIBA ASIA and kept on loosing... thanks to GO TENG KOK!

we only use our best NT during ASIAN GAMES.... thats why many PINOY DIE HARD FANS are expecting the RP team to win the FIBA ASIAN CHAMPIONSHIP this year because its the first time in long years that we sent an all PRO TEAM...


Quote:
not necessary to win the tournament


are you kidding me? the more win you have the more points you get...


so, it means even if we emerged as a newly crowned champion on the last fiba asia championship we will still be lagging behind with some of our asian counterparts?:confused: it's ridiculous....

[JET007]

I dont really understand this rankings...:rolleyes:

Malaysia is higher than RP...

whooo... now im afraid with them...:rolleyes:

whooo HONGKONG is better than RP coz they rank higher than us.... :rolleyes:

in order to rank higher we need to play in these tournaments and win....the FIBA Asia Championship for Women, the FIBA U21 World Championship for Women, the FIBA U19 World Championship for Men, the FIBA Asia Championship for Men and the FIBA U19 World Championship for Women...
oo nga fiba rankings so inaccurate!!!:mad: :p :D :rolleyes: :eek:

[pinoy pac fan]

The FIBA rankings are pretty accurate, considering how we performed the last 20 years. Our current ranking is 20 years in the making.

Senior Men's Division:
ABC championships / FIBA Asia championships:
1987 - 4th
1989 - 8th
1991 - 7th
1993 - 11th
1995 - 12th
1997 - 9th
1999 - 11th
2001 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
2003 - 15th
2005 - Did not participate (suspended by FIBA)
2007 - 9th

Remember that the 2007 FIBA Asia champion was awarded 15 points (Iran) and the runner up was awarded 7.4 points. (Lebanon)

Getting 9th place, the Philippines got 0.6 points.

So its not gonna be that easy to rocket up the standings so quickly.

Be patient, grasshopper..

[pinoy pac fan]

Ranking Men after FIBA Asia Championship for Men (2007)
Rank Country IOC Current Points +/- Points* +/- Rank*

1. USA USA 832.2 0.0
2. Argentina ARG 718.0 0.0
3. Spain ESP 580.0 0.0
4. Serbia SRB 558.0 0.0
5. Lithuania LTU 470.0 0.0
6. Italy ITA 418.0 0.0
7. Greece GRE 417.0 0.0
8. France FRA 373.0 0.0
9. Germany GER 282.0 0.0
10. Australia AUS 279.0 0.0
11. China CHN 252.7 -12.3
12. New Zealand NZL 228.0 0.0
13. Puerto Rico PUR 220.6 0.0
14. Turkey TUR 206.0 0.0
14. Angola ANG 206.0 0.0
16. Canada CAN 205.0 0.0
17. Brazil BRA 172.0 0.0
18. Russia RUS 149.0 0.0
19. Slovenia SLO 121.0 0.0
20. Nigeria NGR 98.8 2.0
21. Venezuela VEN 97.6 0.0
22. Croatia CRO 95.0 0.0
23. Lebanon LIB 70.5 7.4
24. Israel ISR 62.0 0.0
25. Korea KOR 56.5 -3.0
26. Dominican Republic DOM 43.8 0.0
27. Qatar QAT 39.8 3.6
28. Algeria ALG 36.0 0.0
29. Panama PAN 34.6 0.0
30. Uruguay URU 34.4 0.0
31. Japan JPN 33.3 -0.9
32. Iran IRI 33.1 15.0
33. Egypt EGY 28.0 0.0
34. Mexico MEX 25.6 0.0
35. Latvia LAT 23.0 0.0
36. Senegal SEN 20.8 0.0
37. Bosnia and Herzegovina BIH 20.0 0.0
38. Virgin Islands ISV 16.8 0.0
39. Ukraine UKR 14.0 0.0
40. Chinese Taipei TPE 12.9 -0.6
41. Mali MLI 11.0 -1.0
41. Tunisia TUN 11.0 0.0
43. Kazakhstan KAZ 10.8 4.5
44. Jordan JOR 10.5 4.2
45. India IND 9.9 1.2
45. Syria SYR 9.9 -0.9
47. Morocco MAR 8.6 0.0
48. Cote d'Ivoire CIV 7.8 0.0
49. Central African Republic CAF 7.6 0.0
50. Kuwait KUW 7.5 -2.4
51. Hong Kong HKG 7.2 0.0
51. Cuba CUB 7.2 0.0
53. Czech Republic CZE 7.0 0.0
53. Mozambique MOZ 7.0 0.0
55. Uzbekistan UZB 6.9 -3.0
56. South Africa RSA 6.2 0.0
57. Bulgaria BUL 6.0 0.0
57. F.Y.R. of Macedonia MKD 6.0 0.0
59. Malaysia MAS 5.8 -1.2
60. Hungary HUN 5.0 0.0
60. Estonia EST 5.0 0.0
62. Philippines PHI 4.2 0.6
63. Guam GUM 4.0 0.0
64. Indonesia INA 3.6 2.1
64. United Arab Emirates UAE 3.6 -1.8
66. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia KSA 3.3 -9.0
67. Sweden SWE 3.0 0.0
68. Gabon GAB 2.0 0.0
68. Cape Verde CPV 2.0 0.0
70. Thailand THA 1.8 -1.5
71. Singapore SIN 1.5 0.0
72. Madagascar MAD 1.4 0.0

[pinoy pac fan]

so, it means even if we emerged as a newly crowned champion on the last fiba asia championship we will still be lagging behind with some of our asian counterparts?:confused:


Yes, pards. The newly crowned asian champion Iran received 15 FIBA points and they jumped only 6 places, from 38th to 32nd place. They didnt even overtake Lebanon, Japan, Korea, Qatar and China.

Its not like boxing, where if you beat the champ, youre automatically placed at number 1. Look at Greece, Argentina. Theyve beaten the USA in the olympics and the WChampionships, but you dont see them at the number 1 spot.

In FIBA basketball, you need to keep playing and playing to accumulate points, then you slowly go up the rankings.

[sickcurtain_16]

Yup, let's not bother ourselves with the rankings now. Maybe after at least another 4 years and continuous participation to FIBA sanctioned games, then that's the time to look at the rankings again.

Oh look! We're up there now!

JET007, I like your new signature.

[pepiyows]

keys to jump up the fiba standings:

1. join 'em (with the "best players", if possible)
2. win 'em (or at least finish as being "seeded")

%^)

P.S.
no other way for RP NT but UP!!! :cool:

[patay-butiki]

nowhere to go but up. :)

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/20106-rp-moves-up-10-spots-on-fiba-list.html



RP moves up 10 spots on Fiba list
Sports
WEDNESDAY, 23 DECEMBER 2009 19:29
SLOWLY, the Philippines is inching closer to the top 50 in world basketball.

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) announced on Wednesday that the country has moved up 10 places to 53rd in the International Basketball Federation (Fiba) rankings this month.

SBP executive director Noli Eala said the country is now ranked first in the Southeast Asia (SEA) subzone and 13th overall in Asia, curiously still behind India, Syria and Kuwait. India is in joint 49th with Syria, while Kuwait is 52nd.

“We are grateful to Fiba that they continue to acknowledge the hard work of Filipino basketball players,” said Eala in a statement on Wednesday.

“It was hard inheriting a very low ranking from the previous national basketball association but the SBP has persevered and we’re glad the Philippines has regained the respect of Fiba and the basketball community,” he added.

In the women’s side, the Philippines improved to 50th from 53rd.

The women’s team is ranked ninth in the Asian and third in the SEA subzone behind Thailand (38th) and Malaysia (42).

In the combined rankings, the Philippines is in 57th place.

The country has registered the second-biggest gain in ranking points (2.7) among Asian countries behind Korea, which moved up to three ranking points.

Since taking over from the now-defunct Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) two years ago, SBP has put vigor in Philippine basketball by sending quality teams in international competitions.

The men’s basketball competition in the Southeast Asian Games is practically the Filipinos’ playground and the country, as expected, captured the 2007 title in Nakhon Ratchasima. The women’s team took the bronze medal.

The Chot Reyes-coached national team finished ninth overall in the 2007 Fiba-Asia Men’s Championship and the country improved a notch higher in the same competition when Yeng Guiao piloted the Nationals to a quarterfinals stint this year in Tianjin, China.

The youth programs are also in place as the U-18 of Franz Pumaren finished ninth in the Fiba-Asia Junior Men’s Championship in Tehran, Iran, in 2008 while the U-16 of mentor Eric Altamirano reached the semifinals of the Fiba-Asia U-16 cagefest on November in Malaysia.

The country’s men’s team also bagged the silver medal in the three-on-three event of the first Asian Beach Games in Bali, Indonesia, last year.

Even the young Smart Gilas team of SBP had a significant accomplishment this year when the squad, beefed up by American CJ Giles, finished fifth in the Fiba-Asia Champions Cup in June in Jakarta, Indonesia. Joel Orellana

[kaiziken_pinas]

nowhere to go but up. :)

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/20106-rp-moves-up-10-spots-on-fiba-list.html

and hope we won't go down anymore.

[eindhow]

And why is the BAP intervening again??:D:D:D

We are even ranked higher than Poland.. Great work by the SBP..

[bsgermany]

This ranking doesn't really reflect the real strength of the nations anyway.
There are countries like Poland (!!), Bulgaria or Czech Rep. that would belong ahead of the Philippines, while countries like Mali, Morocco or India would probably belong behind.

[eindhow]

This ranking doesn't really reflect the real strength of the nations anyway.
There are countries like Poland (!!), Bulgaria or Czech Rep. that would belong ahead of the Philippines, while countries like Mali, Morocco or India would probably belong behind.

Yeah, I agree.. Poland, Bulgaria and Czech Republic rank low because they are in Europe, where the level of competition is really high.. I don't think the Philippines can beat these countries(Not yet)..

India ranking higher than the Phils is a simple result of the thing BAP did to our basketball..

If only Powerade Team Pilipinas produced better results last FIBA Asia.. Also that U18 team.. That team was really promising.. Our U16 performed way better..

[Alex07]

This ranking doesn't really reflect the real strength of the nations anyway.
There are countries like Poland (!!), Bulgaria or Czech Rep. that would belong ahead of the Philippines, while countries like Mali, Morocco or India would probably belong behind.

that is remain to be seen doesn't mean that they are in Europe they are better...some nations still have to get their basketball programs going,I'll take that as an opinion.

[bsgermany]

that is remain to be seen doesn't mean that they are in Europe they are better...some nations still have to get their basketball programs going,I'll take that as an opinion.

Just watch a little more european basketball pal! ;)

Merry Christmas!

[TrueBluePinoy]

The youth programs are also in place as the U-18 of Franz Pumaren finished ninth in the Fiba-Asia Junior Men’s Championship in Tehran, Iran, in 2008

Mga gagong sportswriters! We finished 7th that year!!!:mad:


The men’s basketball competition in the Southeast Asian Games is practically the Filipinos’ playground and the country, as expected, captured the 2007 title in Nakhon Ratchasima. The women’s team took the bronze medal.

And the SEA Games basketball result doesn't reflect on the FIBA standings!

[paolylo]

we know for a fact that our U16 and men's team can easily beat the 3 Asian teams ahead of us (Kuwait, Syria, India)... it just shows how far back we were before the SBP took over that stupid BAP. give it 2 years with our teams producing results, i think we should be able to place ahead of Japan and even Qatar.

[interxavierxxx]

we know for a fact that our U16 and men's team can easily beat the 3 Asian teams ahead of us (Kuwait, Syria, India)... it just shows how far back we were before the SBP took over that stupid BAP. give it 2 years with our teams producing results, i think we should be able to place ahead of Japan and even Qatar.

Add to that, Qatar doesn't even deserve to be in the top 10 Asian Teams because their team, Qatar NT, is Qatar Naturalized Team.

[b3lowzro]

Add to that, Qatar doesn't even deserve to be in the top 10 Asian Teams because their team, Qatar NT, is Qatar Naturalized Team.

you have to give them the benefit of the doubt because each countries has its own immigration and citizenship laws.

[fastbreak]

that is remain to be seen doesn't mean that they are in Europe they are better...
It actually does. Bulgaria and the Czech Republic would easily beat the Philipines...Your University selection lost by 30 points against an average Serbian basketball club(at one point it was +40). You still have a lot to learn to be competitive.

[kaiziken_pinas]

It actually does. Bulgaria and the Czech Republic would easily beat the Philipines...Your University selection lost by 30 points against an average Serbian basketball club(at one point it was +40). You still have a lot to learn to be competitive.

we still have a lot to learn alright. But we won't learn on how to be competitive. We'll learn how to beat you.

Let's not jump into conclusions until teams face each other okay?

[fastbreak]

we still have a lot to learn alright. But we won't learn on how to be competitive. We'll learn how to beat you.

Let's not jump into conclusions until teams face each other okay?

August 15
Philippines 65–83 Qatar

This was 4 months ago. Seriously, first try to be competitive.

[kaiziken_pinas]

August 15
Philippines 65–83 Qatar

This was 4 months ago. Seriously, first try to be competitive.

seriously THAT was four months ago. That RP team wasn't even a quarterfinals caliber team.

it was an Ill-prepared with a bad coach. Seriously, know all the details first.

[reamily]

August 15
Philippines 65–83 Qatar

This was 4 months ago. Seriously, first try to be competitive.

it was a consolation round ballgame seriously we are not in the top 4 level last asian championship but we have a case in top 6, but that team is considered be old so we are in rebuilding stages, we maybe not make noise in senior level sooner or later but watch out to our junior teams as maybe they can make surprises

[fastbreak]

seriously THAT was four months ago. That RP team wasn't even a quarterfinals caliber team.

it was an Ill-prepared with a bad coach. Seriously, know all the details first.

The results speak for themselves. You lost this year by 20 against Qatar.You didnt qualify for a World Championship in the last 30 years. I am still not convinced that your competitive which doesnt mean you wont be in the near future.

[interxavierxxx]

August 15
Philippines 65–83 Qatar

This was 4 months ago. Seriously, first try to be competitive.

Serbia

Eurobasket 2009: 2nd Place

Eurobasket 2007: 13th Place

It's all a matter of NT preparations. Serbia can easily snatch a medal in the Eurobasket with the right training. In our case, the Philippines is not a model country in terms of national team programs. In 2009, it appeared as if we didn't have a program compared to the 2007 team.

Btw,

FIBA Diamond Ball 2008: Iran 72-70 Serbia

I believe that Serbian team had key players like Teodosic in the team. Once again, it's all a matter of preparations.

My respects to Serbia :).

[manu_bol]

The results speak for themselves. You lost this year by 20 against Qatar.You didnt qualify for a World Championship in the last 30 years. I am still not convinced that your competitive which doesnt mean you wont be in the near future.

our teams that visited serbia like smc rp team, smart gilas, talk n text have beaten quite a handful of professional serbian ball clubs already...

[fastbreak]

our teams that visited serbia like smc rp team, smart gilas, talk n text have beaten quite a handful of professional serbian ball clubs already...

I want proof for this :D

[manu_bol]

I want proof for this :D

2007...

SMC rp team beat Mega Ishana, montenegro u-21, FMP. lost close games to novi sad, swisslions

2009

smart gilas beat mega juniors, kk vizura

talk n text beat kg student, mega vizura. lost a close one to FMP Zeleznak

search google for the complete results

[ramzaruglia]

I had a very intriguing question... When was the last time the Philippines had a representative in FIBA Women's?:confused:

[fastbreak]

2007...

SMC rp team beat Mega Ishana, montenegro u-21, lost close games to novi sad, swisslions

you can google the rest...

That was the junior team of Mega Ishrana. Just a few days later SMC rp lost to the senior team of Usce Vizura by 5 points. Vizura is a B division team :)

edit2009: smart gilas is not a club,its a national university selection of the philippines(with a serbian coach btw). again you beat the juniors of mega ishrana :D and lost by 30 to an average senior squad of bc metalac.

Metalac-Philippine 92:61 (28:08,19:27,24:11,21:15)

02. 04. 2009 University Selection Philippines - Mega (juniors team) 94:86

Partizan 2 - University Selection Philippines 93:88

Partizan 2 is also a junior team with some U16 players!

[talion]

That was the junior team of Mega Ishrana. Just a few days later SMC rp lost to the senior team of Usce Vizura by 5 points. Vizura is a B division team :)

well, i'm really glad for you that your country has an abundance of tall and athletic players. we dont have that in the philippines. what we have is hope- a lot of it- that someday, despite our height disadvantage we will be at par with the strong asian teams like iran and china. that is all we aspire for. we are not trying to be as competitive as serbia or spain. i believe it's the chinese who daydreams of achieving that. our dream is not impossible. we have played against the iranians and chinese and have given them a good fight. we have played against the japanese and koreans and have beaten them convincingly on occassions. we did all this without a truly functioning national team program. just pluck outs from our local pba league. that's why we have high hopes for this smart gilas program. our first national team program in decades, since we last won the asian championship in 1985. we will achieve that again, hopefully. now, be thankful for what you already have and just be happy for us filipinos with our modest basketball dreams.

[manu_bol]

That was the junior team of Mega Ishrana. Just a few days later SMC rp lost to the senior team of Usce Vizura by 5 points. Vizura is a B division team :)

edit2009: smart gilas is not a club,its a national university selection of the philippines(with a serbian coach btw). again you beat the juniors of mega ishrana :D and lost by 30 to an average senior squad of bc metalac.

Metalac-Philippine 92:61 (28:08,19:27,24:11,21:15)

02. 04. 2009 University Selection Philippines - Mega (juniors team) 94:86

Partizan 2 - University Selection Philippines 93:88

Partizan 2 is also a junior team with some U16 players!


our college kids did beat kk vizura by 36 and lost to bc beograd by just 3.

smart gilas was only playing as a team in less than 3 months. the best college players were not even playing that time.


our club team, talk and text (just 3rd place in our league) beat 2 serbian teams and lost close ones to FMP zeleznak (2pts) and Vujic Metalac Valjevo (7pts)...

[fastbreak]

well, i'm really glad for you that your country has an abundance of tall and athletic players. we dont have that in the philippines. what we have is hope- a lot of it- that someday, despite our height disadvantage we will be at par with the strong asian teams like iran and china. that is all we aspire for. we are not trying to be as competitive as serbia or spain. i believe it's the chinese who daydreams of achieving that. our dream is not impossible. we have played against the iranians and chinese and have given them a good fight. we have played against the japanese and koreans and have beaten them convincingly on occassions. we did all this without a truly functioning national team program. just pluck outs from our local pba league. that's why we have high hopes for this smart gilas program. our first national team program in decades, since we last won the asian championship in 1985. we will achieve that again, hopefully. now, be thankful for what you already have and just be happy for us filipinos with our modest basketball dreams.
I respect your enthusiasm and love for the game. Just be patient and the results will come. Toroman is an experienced coach. He was an assistant to Ivkovic and Obradovic. Im sure he will get the best out of your team

[protossdomain]

It is totally unnecessary to argue with fellow basketball fans of powerhouse basketball nations regarding our national team's performance at least to date.

We don't have the personality yet to compare in any way on how we performed against this Serbian, that Russian or whatsoever European team.

I'm just relieved right now that we don't get the kind of insults I was expecting them to fire away.

[manu_bol]

I respect your enthusiasm and love for the game. Just be patient and the results will come. Toroman is an experienced coach. He was an assistant to Ivkovic and Obradovic. Im sure he will get the best out of your team

fastbreak, who do you think is the better coach, toroman or matic?

[fastbreak]

fastbreak, who do you think is the better coach, toroman or matic?

Toroman has more experience and he learned from better coaches. He was part of the eurobasket gold in 1995 and the olympic silver 1996 as an assistant coach. Im sure you will work with the same training program used for the preparations of those tournaments with a few adjustments of course.

[cod3breaker]

Just let the game speak for itself... Win now brag later. Peace. :)

[protossdomain]

Toroman has more experience and he learned from better coaches. He was part of the eurobasket gold in 1995 and the olympic silver 1996 as an assistant coach. Im sure you will work with the same training program used for the preparations of those tournaments with a few adjustments of course.

How about Matic's credentials? Except for winning Iran's latest gold

[fastbreak]

How about Matic's credentials? Except for winning Iran's latest gold

Far less experience. He didnt work with Ivkovic which is the main difference when comparing him to Toroman although he was the 2nd assistant coach when we were world champions in 2002. Matic is known as a defensive minded coach.

[bsgermany]

our teams that visited serbia like smc rp team, smart gilas, talk n text have beaten quite a handful of professional serbian ball clubs already...

You don't seriously want to use games against average or lower average club teams as an example, that were even played at times, where no european basketball team has its full roster available yet (since the season starts quite a bit later)!!??

I really admire your enthusiasm too, although pride in your country seems to get quite a fiew Pinoys here a little carried away from reality at times when it comes to judging your NT's strength.

Seldom wins against average or lower average european ballclubs that mostly didn't even have their full rosters available (no imports for example) really doesn't mean much at all.

As long as the Philippines end up in Asia where they've been ending up in recent years, their position in the meaningless FIBA ranking is more or less alright, although some teams ahead of them should probably be behind them, while others behind them deserve to be ahead of them which shows, how stupid and meaningless this ranking actually is.

[manu_bol]

You don't seriously want to use games against average or lower average club teams as an example, that were even played at times, where no european basketball team has its full roster available yet (since the season starts quite a bit later)!!??

I really admire your enthusiasm too, although pride in your country seems to get quite a fiew Pinoys here a little carried away from reality at times when it comes to judging your NT's strength.

Seldom wins against average or lower average european ballclubs that mostly didn't even have their full rosters available (no imports for example) really doesn't mean much at all.

As long as the Philippines end up in Asia where they've been ending up in recent years, their position in the meaningless FIBA ranking is more or less alright, although some teams ahead of them should probably be behind them, while others behind them deserve to be ahead of them which shows, how stupid and meaningless this ranking actually is.



my statement was in reply to his comment about our 'university selection' losing big to a serbian club. i had to mention that our teams that visited serbia (including a pro team) also won games there.

if serbia was up there in the fiba rankings, there is no way that ANY team from a 53rd placer should win against any team from a basketball world power. it shows that at 53rd, the philippines is underrated.

[reamily]

Far less experience. He didnt work with Ivkovic which is the main difference when comparing him to Toroman although he was the 2nd assistant coach when we were world champions in 2002. Matic is known as a defensive minded coach.

yeah hire him as our assistant:D but he is perfect for iran being a big team Toroman is an underrated defensive coach

Toroman is compared to a chot reyes and jong combined because he was a lead assistant? of the two coaches

[paolylo]

agreed with the Deutsche guy.

FIBA barely has friendly exhibitions or even sanctioned events between countries of a different region the way it's done in FIFA. it considers a country's current form in matches against other countries in their own zone.

it's not as simple as "Sakuragi beat Akagi, therefore Sakuragi can beat Rukawa". i can't remember the last time our NT played a country (not a ball club) from another zone. i think it was Jong Uichico's '02 team that beat Ukraine but got blown out by Serbia and Italy that didn't even have its best players.

[Alex07]

You don't seriously want to use games against average or lower average club teams as an example, that were even played at times, where no european basketball team has its full roster available yet (since the season starts quite a bit later)!!??

I really admire your enthusiasm too, although pride in your country seems to get quite a fiew Pinoys here a little carried away from reality at times when it comes to judging your NT's strength.

Seldom wins against average or lower average european ballclubs that mostly didn't even have their full rosters available (no imports for example) really doesn't mean much at all.

As long as the Philippines end up in Asia where they've been ending up in recent years, their position in the meaningless FIBA ranking is more or less alright, although some teams ahead of them should probably be behind them, while others behind them deserve to be ahead of them which shows, how stupid and meaningless this ranking actually is.

it's not that we're out of reality..we take pride of our national team just like everyone else..we just hope other nationalities respect that..but yes some guys here might get carried away sometimes.I just hope Fiba could have sanctioned friendlies.

[bsgermany]

I truly hope that this sanction garbage is history now!
Challenges against better nations - even if they come along with most likely losses - are quite important to gain experience, learn and possibly catch up.

I'm really in favour of the Phlippines having hired an experienced serbian coach although as an "outsider" (who's very much interested in basketball in the Philippines even when I'm not there), I still find the current path a little strange. Particularly if the Philippines don't have unlimited funds available that would allow them to easily cover everything (!) nescessary - why "wasting" money on the goose chase for the ultimate (import) saviour?
Professionals who play entirely only for the NT sure won't do it for free, and guys like like Giles or Sampson don't move to the Philippines just because of the nice beaches and the beautiful ladies. A strong import player, naturalized or not, will surely cost a lot of money, particularly if he may be good enough to lift the NT to another level (which I doubt in Sampson's case). Noone could make me believe either that the locals playing for Smart Gilas would do it only for small pocket money and entirely for the sake of improving the standing of the Philippines in world basketball.
Idealism is a nice thing, but if you're good enough, financially attractive alternatives like the PBA or in case of the imports Europe, Southamerica etc. will always wave with big bundles of money once you're good enough.
The Smart Gilas program will have to (and likely does already) keep up with those offers, eating up plenty of money.

I do wonder how a country like the Philippines could afford a costly program like that, unless for the sacrifice of other, in my oppinion even more important and essential investments like the development of solid youth development programs and scouting systems for local talents (like you would find in every successfull basketball nation), coach clinics etc. etc.

What's the use?? Trying to find a shortcut to immediate success rather than using the painfull long way by slowly developing young local talents and through that sooner or later widening the choice of available talents by lifting the youth programs on a higher level that could compare to the ones of better nations, which would slowly show success on the senior level as well (just not that quick)?

The people in charge in the Philippines seem to be just as impatient regarding the results of the NT in international tournaments as lenty of Pinoys here in the forum.

In my oppinion, this is the wrong way and may (if ever) bring only short time success for a very limited period of time.
Why not looking at other nations, that obviously seem to do a better job witht their NT's? Show me one nation at the top that doesn't mainly rely on solid youth development programs?
Sure, countries like Russia (Holden) or Germany (Kaman - not a good example though because he has german roots) do also put some icing on the cake by using a foreign player as well, but even there (although they could certainly afford it much more than the Philippines), they don't have the luxury to have this guy play for the NT only.

As much as I would have liked to see the Philippine NT in Turkey next year or possibly in London in 2012, or the Youngsters at the U17 WC right in my neighbourhood in Hamburg next year, I do believe that the current shortcut could easily turn into a painful dead end street for the Philippines, as long as you don't copy what every successful basketball nation does (and I'm not counting Quatar's "foreign legion" into that :D) - developing youth, youth and again youth!!!
In the Philippines, basketball seems to be more popular than in Germany soccer, tennis, Formula 1 and basketball together. I cannot believe that the Philippines couldn't make a lot more out of that than they do for quite a long time now already, if only the available funds would rather spent there instead of fully financing a fulltime all year long NT with even a costly import on top and a worldwide goose chase for the ultimate foreign saviour.

Another big problem seems to be the relation between NT and PBA. As long as there is no functioning relation between these two parties (as you find in the top nations again), I dont see the Philippines go too far anyway, unless they pay the players as much as the PBA does for their Gilas program - which they obviously can not afford without sacrificing for example the youth programs.

I hope that will change one day although it's gonna be hard as long as people are only after the quick success.

[jesronne]

we have actually a good grassroots program today... NBTC is a league which will be the feeder of future National teams in the country... it has 100+ teams all around the philippines...

we have good program running now and the decent finish of our u-16 is a proof of it... this is the start of the rise of philippine basketball unless again POLITICS will interfere...

the smart gilas is a program that will run for 3 years not a year... and this are just young collegiate players... actually SBP is looking for a young naturalized player so that he could still play in the upcoming events after the london olympics...

[kerouac82]

With all due respect, bsgermany, despite everything that is being posted in these forums, it doesn't seem like you know anything about the SBP's long-term development programs, especially for the youth teams. In fact, I don't even see you posting anything on the U-16 team that was missing their key player yet got fourth place in the Asia U-16 qualifier. Or how about the collegiate and high school championships?

The SBP's programs are not just confined to Gilas; they run the whole spectrum of programs, including, yes, women's and U-13 teams. Programs that did not even exist three years ago. I assure you, while we have high hopes for Gilas, the future will be even brighter if the present programs are continued. Ever heard of this kid Ray Parks? How about Kiefer Ravena? If you haven't, I suggest you keep close tabs on them. You will be surprised.

On another note, though -- the PBA is NOT bankrolling the Gilas program, not in any way. The SBP does all the funding. Looks like a glaring misconception on your part.

Still, thanks for the comments. You've got your heart in the right place. And happy Christmas/Hanukkah/Festivus/what-have-you to you and your folks.

[bsgermany]

On another note, though -- the PBA is NOT bankrolling the Gilas progra, not in any way. The SBP does all the funding. Looks like a glaring misconception on your part.


Where did I mention that?

Merry Christmas to you too!

[Alex07]

I truly hope that this sanction garbage is history now!
Challenges against better nations - even if they come along with most likely losses - are quite important to gain experience, learn and possibly catch up.

I'm really in favour of the Phlippines having hired an experienced serbian coach although as an "outsider" (who's very much interested in basketball in the Philippines even when I'm not there), I still find the current path a little strange. Particularly if the Philippines don't have unlimited funds available that would allow them to easily cover everything (!) nescessary - why "wasting" money on the goose chase for the ultimate (import) saviour?
Professionals who play entirely only for the NT sure won't do it for free, and guys like like Giles or Sampson don't move to the Philippines just because of the nice beaches and the beautiful ladies. A strong import player, naturalized or not, will surely cost a lot of money, particularly if he may be good enough to lift the NT to another level (which I doubt in Sampson's case). Noone could make me believe either that the locals playing for Smart Gilas would do it only for small pocket money and entirely for the sake of improving the standing of the Philippines in world basketball.
Idealism is a nice thing, but if you're good enough, financially attractive alternatives like the PBA or in case of the imports Europe, Southamerica etc. will always wave with big bundles of money once you're good enough.
The Smart Gilas program will have to (and likely does already) keep up with those offers, eating up plenty of money.

I do wonder how a country like the Philippines could afford a costly program like that, unless for the sacrifice of other, in my oppinion even more important and essential investments like the development of solid youth development programs and scouting systems for local talents (like you would find in every successfull basketball nation), coach clinics etc. etc.

What's the use?? Trying to find a shortcut to immediate success rather than using the painfull long way by slowly developing young local talents and through that sooner or later widening the choice of available talents by lifting the youth programs on a higher level that could compare to the ones of better nations, which would slowly show success on the senior level as well (just not that quick)?

The people in charge in the Philippines seem to be just as impatient regarding the results of the NT in international tournaments as lenty of Pinoys here in the forum.

In my oppinion, this is the wrong way and may (if ever) bring only short time success for a very limited period of time.
Why not looking at other nations, that obviously seem to do a better job witht their NT's? Show me one nation at the top that doesn't mainly rely on solid youth development programs?
Sure, countries like Russia (Holden) or Germany (Kaman - not a good example though because he has german roots) do also put some icing on the cake by using a foreign player as well, but even there (although they could certainly afford it much more than the Philippines), they don't have the luxury to have this guy play for the NT only.

As much as I would have liked to see the Philippine NT in Turkey next year or possibly in London in 2012, or the Youngsters at the U17 WC right in my neighbourhood in Hamburg next year, I do believe that the current shortcut could easily turn into a painful dead end street for the Philippines, as long as you don't copy what every successful basketball nation does (and I'm not counting Quatar's "foreign legion" into that :D) - developing youth, youth and again youth!!!
In the Philippines, basketball seems to be more popular than in Germany soccer, tennis, Formula 1 and basketball together. I cannot believe that the Philippines couldn't make a lot more out of that than they do for quite a long time now already, if only the available funds would rather spent there instead of fully financing a fulltime all year long NT with even a costly import on top and a worldwide goose chase for the ultimate foreign saviour.

Another big problem seems to be the relation between NT and PBA. As long as there is no functioning relation between these two parties (as you find in the top nations again), I dont see the Philippines go too far anyway, unless they pay the players as much as the PBA does for their Gilas program - which they obviously can not afford without sacrificing for example the youth programs.

I hope that will change one day although it's gonna be hard as long as people are only after the quick success.

I would have to agree on you on the PBA part....I don't get it why you underestimate our youth program.Basically SBP has the program from the grassroots(U-13) to the seniors squad.RP under 17 finished fourth behind China,Korea and Iran despite having problems in height.I do believe that the SBP has the right program however budget is limited because of non government support....We don't rely on the Naturalized players fully because we know that success comes from the whole 12 players in the squad including the coaches and staff but a naturalized player would definitely fill up our height disadvantage.The naturalized Import could also help the locals in the scrimmages to become tougher and better players.

If you do the math yes, the Philippines team is an underdog beyond underdogs but I'm sure Pinoys are resourceful enough to make up with these limitations..Our plan is to qualify for the 2012 Olympics but we're not going to stop there..I do believe that the SBP is not only a three year program It will continue till the wheels fall off..but anyways,thanks to your "constructive criticisms"...enjoy the holiday seasons!

[kerouac82]

Where did I mention that?

Merry Christmas to you too!

Here it is:



Another big problem seems to be the relation between NT and PBA. As long as there is no functioning relation between these two parties (as you find in the top nations again), I dont see the Philippines go too far anyway, unless they pay the players as much as the PBA does for their Gilas program - which they obviously can not afford without sacrificing for example the youth programs.

I hope that will change one day although it's gonna be hard as long as people are only after the quick success.



Anyway, I'll give that to you -- looks like a case of missing punctuation. Perhaps, with all the stuff that's been posted here, you should already know by know who's funding who.

[kaiziken_pinas]

Merry Xmas guys. anyway, people from Basketball Powerhouse countries came here to visit us, so we should show our Pinoy Hospitalty.


The results speak for themselves. You lost this year by 20 against Qatar.You didnt qualify for a World Championship in the last 30 years. I am still not convinced that your competitive which doesnt mean you wont be in the near future.

Thank you for that. The team that represented us this year lacked preparation. You should consider that the Qataris have been preparing for months, probably a year or so, while the RP team was formed on a pick-up basis, once a week practice for just a YEAR, only a few International games(jones cup and the Aussie Goodwill games), and the lineup consisted of NOT the best players.

I suggest you do some backreading(which would probably waste a day of your life). Just so you understand the whole story.

[reamily]

no problem just follow our developments, this is one outside opinion about our team, and its been helpful

[tiffac]

@bsgermany

Believe me my friend when I say most of us are just happy something is being done and have our NT program move forward.

Yeah there is anxiety of quick success but I think now most of us are just happy to see something moving along even if not everyone is on the same page.

As for the PBA and SBP thing...

Bad history has garnered bad blood and since business is business the basketball bodies in the Philippines has become divided (fans alike) and now everyone is just seeing black and white even with all the gray being put out there.

I tell you even positive comments are being seen as an attack nowadays. The divide is ACID. LOLZ!

But I will tell you one thing, My belief is the PBA and SBP can work things out and will come to terms with one another and have better understanding in the end, better than any of us posters here coz in the end I think with the current environment we have right now, as greatly divided as it is, one cannot be without the other down the line.

[yesha_24]

~All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God~

-Voltaire

Off-topic,
I like this quote a lot :D
but it made me laugh because it should be 20 fingers :D
and some doesn't have 20 fingers.

ala lang, merry christmas!!!

[fastbreak]

we have good program running now and the decent finish of our u-16 is a proof of it... this is the start of the rise of philippine basketball unless again POLITICS will interfere...

Serbia was under embargo and involved in a war in 1995,the same year we were Eurobasket champions :D


regarding the topic...whatever you do there just dont naturalize players. its the wrong way. being fifth in asia with the best you have is better than being first with naturalized players. its a trend in europe now, almost all the NTs have naturalised players. france and germany mostly.

[insulares]

Serbia was under embargo and involved in a war in 1995,the same year we were Eurobasket champions :D

True, but Serbians take to basketball like ducks to water...a natural fit. On the other hand, you may consider us Filipinos as the Asian counterpart to a Jamaican bobsleigh team :D.

It may seem like a odd fit or a source of ill humour for some observers, but like that bobsleigh team the Philippines intends to win the hearts of international basketball fans with its valor and fighting spirit. Regaining our perch in the Asian circuit is the main objective and we have to keep engaging the greater players outside our continent if we hope to achieve this goal.



regarding the topic...whatever you do there just dont naturalize players. its the wrong way. being fifth in asia with the best you have is better than being first with naturalized players. its a trend in europe now, almost all the NTs have naturalised players. france and germany mostly.

Can't say we'll be having naturalized players for the long-term. Certainly have my own misgivings about the idea but FIBA rules allow it so I can understand country federations availing of the option. If you don't, you already give away an advantage to your foes who choose to reinforce themselves according to the rules.

Let me add my voice to those who have already made reminders that the Philippines currently has a long-term basketball program which draws upon the grassroots level (lest the underinformed make hasty conclusions about our so-called "impatience").

Therefore the Philippine federation doesn't believe that the naturalized player is the "be-all and end-all" (the long-term program remains the foundation of NT development).

One short-term aim (with long-term repercussions) where the naturalized player can help is to have the Philippines qualify to higher level tournaments where ALL team players can gain valuable experience with increased quality of competition. A NT can only improve after coming from such tourneys, even though the team may suffer severe beatings. :)

[kisssabayhug]

Off-topic,
I like this quote a lot :D
but it made me laugh because it should be 20 fingers :D
and some doesn't have 20 fingers.

ala lang, merry christmas!!!


People have ten fingers and ten toes. Common misconception among Pinoys, because our word daliri refers to both fingers and toes. :D

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

[yesha_24]

People have ten fingers and ten toes. Common misconception among Pinoys, because our word daliri refers to both fingers and toes. :D

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

ahhh, row4 ako sa english dati e hahaha! :p
Thanks!

[bsgermany]

regarding the topic...whatever you do there just dont naturalize players. its the wrong way. being fifth in asia with the best you have is better than being first with naturalized players. its a trend in europe now, almost all the NTs have naturalised players. france and germany mostly.

Do your homework first! :D:DSince when is Germany mostly using naturalized players? :rolleyes:
Haris and Greene -> born, respectively raised in Germany. How much more German could they possibly be??
Kaman has German roots and by German laws entitled to receive a passport just like every ordinary person.
On the German NT is not a single import player with no natural ties to the country, naturalized only for the purpose of improving the team. Inform yourself better pal! :D

[ws_wt]

Don't believe the rankings we are i think 3rd in ASia. Gilas will prove that and when we become united like Gilas + PBA we are teh best in ASia

[ma4ma]

Don't believe the rankings we are i think 3rd in ASia. Gilas will prove that and when we become united like Gilas + PBA we are teh best in ASia

yeah!:p:p
dats the spirit..:D:D
hihihihi

[capitantiago]

Don't believe the rankings we are i think 3rd in ASia. Gilas will prove that and when we become united like Gilas + PBA we are teh best in ASia

hahaha i like the sarcasm!

[capitantiago]

Do your homework first! :D:DSince when is Germany mostly using naturalized players? :rolleyes:
Haris and Greene -> born, respectively raised in Germany. How much more German could they possibly be??
Kaman has German roots and by German laws entitled to receive a passport just like every ordinary person.
On the German NT is not a single import player with no natural ties to the country, naturalized only for the purpose of improving the team. Inform yourself better pal! :D

don't worry, we have fake Filipinos in our NT so when some Filipinos are raising howls against other NTs, sternly rebuke the hypocrites. hahaha

[patay-butiki]

don't worry, we have fake Filipinos in our NT so when some Filipinos are raising howls against other NTs, sternly rebuke the hypocrites. hahaha

this ain't funny at all. :mad:

[capitantiago]

this ain't funny at all. :mad:

pardon the sarcasm. but hey, it is the truth, right?

[kaiziken_pinas]

pardon the sarcasm. but hey, it is the truth, right?

innocent until proven guilty. Prove it first. Let's face it, you can't.:mad:

[tiffac]

Off-topic,
I like this quote a lot :D
but it made me laugh because it should be 20 fingers :D
and some doesn't have 20 fingers.

ala lang, merry christmas!!!

Couldn't make it 20 coz if you count the fingers on the feet then you must count the big one in the middle for men too. LOLZ!!! :D

Sorry off topic


pardon the sarcasm. but hey, it is the truth, right?

I don't believe that's the truth at all... coz your like generalizing everyone when we only have 1 naturalize player.

[capitantiago]

I don't believe that's the truth at all... coz your like generalizing everyone when we only have 1 naturalize player.

So you believe that Asi and Mick do really have Filipino lineage?
Okay.

[eindhow]

So you believe that Asi and Mick do really have Filipino lineage?
Okay.

Don't care if they have or not have it.. They are more Filipino than CEBUANO Fajardo..

[ma4ma]

Don't care if they have or not have it.. They are more Filipino than CEBUANO Fajardo..

yep..:):)
they have represented us pretty well..:)
good job..:)

[paolylo]

does it matter if they have Recto-nian lineage?

as long as we Filipino fans approve of their worth on the court, i don't care if they're not Filipino. all that matters is that our government recognizes their citizenship and they play well when they're called up for the NT.

[capitantiago]

so you are all saying it is okay to field fake Filipinos and then on other hand you raise howl against fake Qatari, fake Korean, fake Lebanese, fake Iranian, and so on and so forth. hahaha

[ras627]

so you are all saying it is okay to field fake Filipinos and then on other hand you raise howl against fake Qatari, fake Korean, fake Lebanese, fake Iranian, and so on and so forth. hahaha

Dont act like a jerk its his own opinion. Asi and mick do believe in themselve they have filipino blood.


If they dont have filipino blood they'll go back where they came from just like sonny alvarado and al segova.

They fight for what is their right

[bsgermany]

No need to mention Taulava or Penisi! With this Giles and now Sampson thing going on - players who have no relation to the Philippines at all and were (are) only planned to be naturalized for the purpose of strengthening the NT - philippine fans better be quiet when it comes to naturalized players in Quatar, Lebanon etc. because they are sitting in the same boat and are not any better or worse than these countries.

[interxavierxxx]

No need to mention Taulava or Penisi! With this Giles and now Sampson thing going on - players who have no relation to the Philippines at all and were (are) only planned to be naturalized for the purpose of strengthening the NT - philippine fans better be quiet when it comes to naturalized players in Quatar, Lebanon etc. because they are sitting in the same boat and are not any better or worse than these countries.

Being quiet with Lebanon, I can understand. But with Qatar? HECK NO! This country is already beyond the line with 11 naturalized players and only one local player. Please bsgermany, don't tell me you tolerate this kind of action especially from a pathetic country who cheats in all sports.

[bsgermany]

Being quiet with Lebanon, I can understand. But with Qatar? HECK NO! This country is already beyond the line with 11 naturalized players and only one local player. Please bsgermany, don't tell me you tolerate this kind of action especially from a pathetic country who cheats in all sports.

I wouldn't tolerate Quatar if I was in the position to do so, but neiter would I tolerate any naturalized players with no ties to the countries they play for except the monthly paycheck.
Sure Quatar is way over the line, but having players like Sampson, Penisi and Taulava doesn't make the Philippines any better in my oppinion.
Countries should do with their own "natural resources" and not be allowed to create advantages like Sampson or whoever it will turnout to be - a policy that should naturally be enforced in every country, even Quatar.

[manu_bol]

Don't care if they have or not have it.. They are more Filipino than CEBUANO Fajardo..

don't single out fajardo... how about maierhoffer and paul lee?

[capitantiago]

Dont act like a jerk its his own opinion. Asi and mick do believe in themselve they have filipino blood.


If they dont have filipino blood they'll go back where they came from just like sonny alvarado and al segova.

They fight for what is their right

hohoho they don't believe they have. They are just here because they can have a career to call for.

Okay, if Mick has real Filipino lineage, why didn't he allow his younger and more talented brother to play in the Philippines? Was it because it would too costly? Like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs so to speak? hohoho

Sonny Alvarado was pinned down right from the start. After all he shone the brightest. As for Segova, that affair did him.

Right? What right? Is it morally right? hohoho

[capitantiago]

don't single out fajardo... how about maierhoffer and paul lee?

And Marcy Arellano and Ogie Menor, too. hehehe

[dreamwalker]

Don't care if they have or not have it.. They are more Filipino than CEBUANO Fajardo..

Well said my friend, they truly deserve to be called FILIPINOS but with regards to Fajardo, we can never really tell, who knows........;)

[talion]

I wouldn't tolerate Quatar if I was in the position to do so, but neiter would I tolerate any naturalized players with no ties to the countries they play for except the monthly paycheck.
Sure Quatar is way over the line, but having players like Sampson, Penisi and Taulava doesn't make the Philippines any better in my oppinion.
Countries should do with their own "natural resources" and not be allowed to create advantages like Sampson or whoever it will turnout to be - a policy that should naturally be enforced in every country, even Quatar.

i hope that you have already realized that your stand about naturalizing players is meaningless if it does not apply to all countries. to forbid the philippines to get a naturalized player when other countries are availing that advantage is simply unfair and unreasonable to us.there's no point in comparing qatar with the philippines. sampson if naturalized is valid. on the other hand, taulava and penissi are holders of filipino passports. you cannot hold a filipino passport if you're not a filipino. in as much as democrats want to believe that obama was born in hawaii and not in africa, i want to believe that taulava and penissi are filipino citizens. as long as there is no final ruling on their citizenship, nobody, not even you, has the right to say that they're not filipinos

[bsgermany]

on the other hand, taulava and penissi are holders of filipino passports. you cannot hold a filipino passport if you're not a filipino. in as much as democrats want to believe that obama was born in hawaii and not in africa, i want to believe that taulava and penissi are filipino citizens. as long as there is no final ruling on their citizenship, nobody, not even you, has the right to say that they're not filipinos

That's a little naive isn't it? You cannot hold a filipino passport if you're not a Filipino? :D I'm sure you're just joking right?
There are worldwide a countless number of examples where being a top athlete helped a lot in receiving a passport without exactly meeting the requirements. Surely you will probably call the Philippines the lonely honest exception - a country where things like that wouldn't happen right? A statement from a country, where I even personally observed how easy it is to ignore regulations as long as the amount of cash is sufficient.

Sure Penisi and Taulava hold filipino passports, but so do at least 10-12 Africans in Quatar. Where is the difference?

[talion]

That's a little naive isn't it? You cannot hold a filipino passport if you're not a Filipino? :D I'm sure you're just joking right?
There are worldwide a countless number of examples where being a top athlete helped a lot in receiving a passport without exactly meeting the requirements. Surely you will probably call the Philippines the lonely honest exception - a country where things like that wouldn't happen right? A statement from a country, where I even personally observed how easy it is to ignore regulations as long as the amount of cash is sufficient.

Sure Penisi and Taulava hold filipino passports, but so do at least 10-12 Africans in Quatar. Where is the difference?

firstly, if you have doubts about the real citizenship of taulava and penissi, then by all means file a case before a proper court. let the court decide with finality. but as long as nobody's revoking their passports, they're as filipino as i am. this is not about being naive. it's about giving everyone the benefit of the doubt.
secondly, i am not saying that the philippines is without any fault. but your statement generalizing the corruptibility of the filipino is uncalled for. corruption is rampant not only in the philippines but all over the world.
thirdly, it's not like it's impossible for a tongan or australian to have filipino heritage, considering the number of filipino migrant workers abroad. i say, if you have enough proof to prove that these two great filipino nt players have no filipino blood, then file a case against them and the people behind the scam if it was a scam.

[interxavierxxx]

That's a little naive isn't it? You cannot hold a filipino passport if you're not a Filipino? :D I'm sure you're just joking right?
There are worldwide a countless number of examples where being a top athlete helped a lot in receiving a passport without exactly meeting the requirements. Surely you will probably call the Philippines the lonely honest exception - a country where things like that wouldn't happen right? A statement from a country, where I even personally observed how easy it is to ignore regulations as long as the amount of cash is sufficient.

Sure Penisi and Taulava hold filipino passports, but so do at least 10-12 Africans in Quatar. Where is the difference?

The difference is that we don't pay Pennissi and Taulava and any athlete large sums of money to acquire Filipino citizenship--even if we were a rich country. Qatar has been using this method for over a decade, therefore, you can't compare us to them.

You have no idea how long the citizenship controversies of Taulava and other PBA players lasted before it went to rest. Qatar? Look for any article regarding the same issue, you'll find none because the Olympic committee of Qatar (and the government) tolerates such acts.

[bsgermany]

Taulava and Penisi earn their money in the PBA - they probably wouldn't if they were treated as imports. For me that is reason enough to go for a citizenship, which layed the foundation for their pro career that they may not have had elsewhere. So what makes these cases so different from the African Quataries? Sure we assume they are Africans with no realtion to Quatar, but unless you cannot prove that they don't meet the regulations of their new home country, you should not point the finger at Quatar, but tolerate players like Penisi or Taulava. Equal rights for everyone I would say. If a philippine NT could play with Penisi, Taulava, Sampson and whoever else will show up - so could Quatar with its Africans, Lebanon and Jordan with Americans etc. etc.
I still prefer countries that do without that and count on their own "resources".

[talion]

i think this discussion is over. somebody walks in here telling everyone that taulava and penissi are non-filipinos and his only proof of that is his intuition? i bet nobody in here can accurately claim that he's really the grandson of his grandfather. he'll need a DNA test just to be sure. you see, guys, the point? it's easy to accuse but it's very difficult to prove anything.
and what's with the endless reference to qatar and lebanon? the philippines is not a powerful country which can prevent these countries from doing whatever they want to do with their basketball program. the few comments we read in interbasket are just expressions of freedom of speech. so why stifle it?

[patay-butiki]

guys, this is like debating religion. no one will win. i suggest let's all move on and have a happy new year.

@capitantiago,

bro, inis kasi ako sa mga pinoy na naglalaglag ng kapwa pinoy o ng pilipinas. maraming banyagang nagbabasa dito. nakakahiya na mismong pilipino tinatawanan ang pilipinas.

trans: dude, you may be right. but sometimes, we don't have to state the obvious.

[capitantiago]

guys, this is like debating religion. no one will win. i suggest let's all move on and have a happy new year.

@capitantiago,

bro, inis kasi ako sa mga pinoy na naglalaglag ng kapwa pinoy o ng pilipinas. maraming banyagang nagbabasa dito. nakakahiya na mismong pilipino tinatawanan ang pilipinas.

trans: dude, you may be right. but sometimes, we don't have to state the obvious.

ok. properly noted. let's move on. hehehe

[tiffac]

So you believe that Asi and Mick do really have Filipino lineage?
Okay.

Oh your talking about that team... I thought you meant the current one, my bad man sorry.

Asi, no he has no Filipino blood but you gotta forgive the big fella coz he showed more patriotism when playing for the NT than the real Filipinos, as for Mick I always thought it was proven he has Filipino lineage just like Hartfield did.

Edited:

Brother patay-butiki is right, nothing will come out of the conversation.

[c_d]

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FIBA has launched a completely new ranking system. The USA now tops all categories, incld the newly added youth rankings 4 Boys & Girls.
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RP now ranked 53rd in the Men's and 50th in Women's. Both rankings were +3 frm the previous rankings. RP boys is ranked 43rd n girls 44th.
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Among top asian teams, RP Men's had the 2nd biggest jump in rank with +3 nxt to Jor w/c had +6, while Women's had the best imprvmnt of all.
17 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24764587944) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Overall Combined ranking RP is 54th or an improvement of +3 and 11th in Asia.
11 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24765099675) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Considering we started ranked 61st in the Men's when SBP took over, we are thankful for the improvement. Lots of work still to do though.
10 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24765259014) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Can't accept though that India n Kuwait are ranked higher than our Men's while Syria, Jpn, Taipei n Malaysia are higher than our Boys team.
8 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24765454577) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Guess its how d rankings r computed using a 2 olympic cycle. When a new tourney s played, d oldest championship of that category drops out.
4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24765803863) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

So d fruits of our labor in all genders, ages and categories will come to fruition in 2012 when we complete another full cycle.
2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NoliEala/status/24765907607) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

[interxavierxxx]

How much points did our boys team get after the Youth Olympics?

[THE11thROCK™]

Philippines pulls-up to 12th in FIBA Asia rankings (http://philippinebasketballteam.com/2010/09/18/asian-games/philippines-pulls-up-to-12th-in-fiba-asia-rankings/)


Philippines basketball, now spearheaded by Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP), proved that the pains of undertaking a national basketball program is worth all the effort in gaining back the respectability that the basketball-crazed country once commanded. After the recent staging of the 2010 FIBA World Basketball Championships, the latest FIBA World rankings had been released anew. RP Men's Basketball now ranks 53rd in the World and 12th in Asia after climbing-up three places in the rankings.

It is a stark contrast from when the Philippines had been stagnant and drowning in the rankings, as it was erstwhile managed by the controversial Basketball Association of the Phiippines (BAP). In 2005, the nation was ranked 65th in the World and 18th in Asia. Ridiculous, knowing that RP basketball is nowhere that level.

Though Philippines basketball has got a long uphill climb in the rankings, the current improvement in regional standings is commendable. SBP is ever present in all regional basketball tournaments, which includes not only the Men's basketball but the Youth and Women's as well. Even delegates of World basketball power Serbia is impressed in the current state of our national basketball program.

Yes, we could all take this new development than let an alien in Graham Lim and the BAP once again litter the national hoops scene. No more rag-tag teams and no-name players. No more to whipping boys and disrespect.


BAP was like an ogre unleashed to devour anyone on its' path. It was a nightmare for Philippine basketball.

For the uninitiated, it is good to read a few BAP horror stories. Not too long ago, BAP formed a Lhuillier sponsored team bound for SEA Games 2005 which horribly lost to former Parañaque Vice Mayor Anjo Yllana’s rag-tag team in the NBC pre-finals. Yllana even teased with gusto the national team in television program Eat Bulaga. His team was a concoction of politicians, former professional players, celebrities and ordinary weekend warriors assembled weeks before the tournament. It was so much of a viral news that it stirred the nation into frenzy. This dilemma caught the attention of the Basketball stakeholders in the country and questioned the capability of BAP to form national teams.

Months later, to show it's unnerving defiance it installed Boysie Zamar as head coach of SEABA RP team after rejecting proposals by POC to make Chot Reyes coach of RP five. Zamar was the very same mentor of that infamous SEA Games team.

It was an eye-opener for those who supported the BAP's cause. Some said it was too late to regain respect for Philippine basketball. Left unchecked, BAP had already wreaked havoc for so many years. Yet, it was only the gist of the story.

One bland caffeine shot by BAP was the 15th place finish of Cebuana Lhuiller in the prestigious 2003 FIBA-Asia Championships which featured 16 national teams. The catch was that RP must secure a top-two berth in the upcoming SEABA Championships to even qualify for the FIBA-Asia Championships 2005.

Through BAP's leadership, Lhuiller also manned the Philippine squad which figured in a terrible 8th place finish in 2004 William Jones Cup out of nine teams all-in-all. They lost their games with an average margin of 20 points or more.

To add another stain, BAP changed shoes and let Cebuana Lhuiller rest with the international entry of Philippine College of Criminology varsity to the 2004 FIBA Stankovic Cup. The result: RP was massacred, finished 8th out of 8 teams and lost all the games with an average margin of less than 40 points. Hell, we even lost to India by 18.

The list of horrific achievements goes on. The last stand of BAP was when it took hostage the nation as it created unscrupulous tales to discount the formation of another national basketball organization. It was in 2005 that the basketball stakeholders no longer wanted to tolerate BAP's grandstanding. However, BAP never wanted to let go of it's years of tyranny and shady deals. Still a recognized entity then to FIBA, the BAP caused the national team to be suspended in 2005. It effectively terminated any chances for the nation to join any FIBA sanctioned tournament.

PBA had a ready All-Pro national team prepared for FIBA Asia Championships. The problem was, they were not allowed to play anywhere FIBA had authority. The PBA-formed RP Team then was a strong contender for at least the top five team slots in any Asian tournament. Because of the suspension, the nationals were not given the green light and seated out the FIBA Asia 2005 tilt and the Asian Games basketball the following year.

This was when the call for the reinstatement for Philippine Basketball was heeded. This author, together with several Basketball forums members and social communities of concerned Filipinos, started the signature campaign so that FIBA will allow the Philippines to play basketball again in all its' sanctioned tourneys. This campaign which included this website PhilippineBasketballTeam, and other sites like MyPBA, Interbasket, InTheZone, PinoyExchange and several notable personalities like Patricia Hizon and others, expressed their support for the Philippine basketball as a whole.

In March 2007, FIBA reinstated the Philippines with the merger of BAP and SBP. It was a blessing in disguise that through the power struggles of the two organizations, the BAP was permanently ousted of its' grip in Philippines basketball. This came in conjunction with the deportation of BAP kingpin Graham Lim, a Chinese national who manhandled and disfigured RP basketball for a very long time. BAP still tried to make a case for itself in the eyes of FIBA in 2009 but SBP eventually wrestled the decision. Like worms, BAP took the battle to the Philippine courts but to no avail. It was also only later of this year that the Supreme Court adjudged with finality the validity of SBP's claim as the national basketball authority.

With all the chaos that the Philippine basketball went through, one may wonder if it's still possible to regain its' lost glory. Though the SBP is still laying down most of the groundwork, the result of its' labor is already satisfactory if not outright exemplary.

In 2007 Tokushima FIBA Asia, Team Pilipinas only lost by a few points against fated finalists Iran NT. The latest was a fourth place finish of Smart Gilas Pilipinas in the 2010 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup. It could have been higher if not for the one-point loss against eventual champions Lebanon. Although the Philippines has yet to capture another medal either in FIBA Asia and the Asian Games basketball after 1998, all the other Asian contenders know that RP is now a team to beat. Even NBA legend Bill Walton once said that the Philippines is the darkhorse of Asia. The Philippine team is now earning back that respect from its' perennial rivals, even though it has yet to achieve its' ultimate goal of Worlds and Olympics appearance.

The Women's and the RP Youth basketball is also currently making waves. It was only early this year that RP youth placed ninth in the Youth Olympic Games in Singapore. Though they were relegated to the classification phase, they did not bow out without scaring World superpowers Spain and Croatia by a losing margin of only two points average.

Going back to the rankings, some points in the ranking itself is confusing. It's funny how non-basketball countries like India and Kuwait are placed a notch higher than the Philippines. We should at least be placed in the fifth or sixth position though it would be subject to debate. But a 12th place rank below countries one which is known more for cricket is surprising. As explained in his twitter message, SBP President Noli Eala mentioned that the algorithm for rank calculation by FIBA is computed using two Olympics cycle. "So d fruits of our labor in all genders, ages and categories will come to fruition in 2012 when we complete another full cycle.", stated Eala.

The FIBA ranking itself is not the ultimate gauge of RP basketball. However, it is a testament to the continuing progress of Philippine basketball as a whole, both locally and internationally. With a new found stature SBP can stir the Philippines back into Asian supremacy. With power it can uplift RP, and with the same power it can bring our favorite national sport back to its' gloomy days. One can only hope that the current organization will not fall into the same trap that the BAP succumbed into. After all, power corrupts us all.



www.philippinebasketballteam.com (http://philippinebasketballteam.com/2010/09/18/asian-games/philippines-pulls-up-to-12th-in-fiba-asia-rankings/)

[brod78]

^^ Hopefully we will eventually be placed at the right rank
with the SBP in command, barring major as@#@# moves
by certain individuals/factions. For me, it doesnt matter
how long it takes as long as we are in the right path....
Borrowing a line from PNoy, with SBP in command..
"..pwede na uling mangarap" :D

[dxjayrock2008]

^^ Hopefully we will eventually be placed at the right rank
with the SBP in command, barring major as@#@# moves
by certain individuals/factions. For me, it doesnt matter
how long it takes as long as we are in the right path....
Borrowing a line from PNoy, with SBP in command..
"..pwede na uling mangarap" :D



Our dreams will be fulfilled no matter what happens. Lol.

[all_about]

It`s good to know that the Philippines has improved its ranking in Asia being number 12. Hopefully, we can still progress and develop to a higher rank.

[yogaflame]

Nice, keep it up. Better ranking means better seeding which means better group away from group of death in Fiba competition.

[usausa]

Nice, keep it up. Better ranking means better seeding which means better group away from group of death in Fiba competition.

Draws are totally based on the rankings, only the pots are.The draw itself is random, like the FIBA WC.

[Eaglefan97]

I've noticed that there are a lot of questions and misconceptions about how the Philippines is ranked on the FIBA scale. A lot of my fellow Filipinos who haven't followed the FIBA ASIA ranking system might not be familiar with how it works. Here's a step by step explanation.

*I've posted this elsewhere but it seems to deserve its own thread for the benefit of my fellow Filipino fans.

Currently, we're ranked 53rd (with 7.5 points) in the world.

Some Filipinos are wondering: Why are we ranked so low? How come there are teams on the rankings above us whom we know we can beat, and HAVE easily beaten in the past. (Like India and Kuwait, no disrespect meant to those teams intended.)

But here are some things to consider: Most of the tournaments where we have played well recently, don't count. The Asian Games, The Stankovic cup, the Champions Cup and the Jones Cup...they DO NOT count in the rankings.

That is why we slipped in the 90s even if we place 2nd, 4th, 3rd and 4th again all the Asian Games from 1990 to 2002. Because in the games which DID count (the Asian Basketball Confederation games) We were sending teams that had scrubs. (Once again, thank you BAP...)

And it's not based on just WHO we beat. But rather, how we finish.

Now before we continue, it is important to remember that in 2005, because of stupid politics and infighting between the Philippine Basketball politicians and stakeholders, FIBA suspended us from international competition. As you will see, this will still affect our rankings even after this tournament.

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For a brief explanation on FIBA rankings, and to better understand the system. CLICK HERE. (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/eve...howItWork.html)

So (after checking the link) essentially, the only games which will count are:

FIBA World Championships
Olympic Basketball Tournaments
FIBA Africa Championships
FIBA Americas Championships
FIBA Asia Championships
Eurobasket Championships
FIBA Oceania Championships

The points are computed over two Olympic cycles (8 years) which covers 4 FIBA ASIA tournaments. Our current ranking is based on our performance over the past four Asian Championships:

Each place, from gold to 18th has corresponding points.
When we don't qualify or are suspended. We get 0 points.
That is then multiplied with the "WEIGHT POINT" of the tournament
(Asian Championships is 0.3)

We currently have 7.5 points for 53. here's the breakdown of our performances:

2003- 15th
2005- Suspended
2007- (PBA squad) 9th (Chot Reyes squad)
2009- (Powerade Philippines) 8th (Yeng Guiao Squad)

Total points 4+0+10+11=25 x.03 =7.5

That makes up our score as seen HERE (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/999/selNodeID/999/rankMen.html).


*for the record, the 2003 team starred eventual PBA veterans Celino Cruz, Marc Pingris, Nelbert Omolon, Ricky Calimag and Willie Wilson. And IIRC, the 2001 team endured a suspension due to the BAP Jalasco-Puyat politics...

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Our NEXT ranking will be...

2005-Suspended
2007- 9th
2009- 8th
2011- ???

If we don't beat Chinese Taipei and finish 8th: We end up with 9.6 points (from 2005-2011) which is roughly good for a ranking of 50

If we beat Chinese Taipei and finish 4th: We end up with 10.8 points which would put us in the vicinity of 45 or 40.

If we somehow manage a bronze, that puts us at 15.3 points which may put us at 39 or 38.

It's tough because that "0" in 2005 will still count until AFTER the 2013 championships.

Because of that, even if we win it all (that means beating CT, IRAN AND CHINA) our point total will be 21.3 which is only good for around 35th.

But then with the Olympic stint, we'd have an additional 90 points (assuming we don't win a single game then) and we'd rank 20th, with 111.3 points.

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That "0" in 2005 is even more painful when you realize that we had a very well prepared team of PBA all-stars in 2005 who had been together since 2003. We also had Jimmy Alapag and Asi Taulava in their prime, they had played well in their US tour against US NCAA I teams. But the suspension kept them from playing. In fact: If they had played and finished 9th. (modest estimate. I believe they could have finished higher.) Then we'd have a ranking of 46 today.

By the time they played again in 2007, they had gone back to their respective PBA teams and were out of sync. Plus the big men had lost a step or two.

===

So if we do well in 2011 AND in 2013, we'll be right back where we belong.
And that is why we need SMART GILAS to continue NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS with the next few games.

[durden_tyler]

It's just a number.

[kerouac82]

It's just a number.

Whenever I look at FIBA rankings, I remember this run-in I had with that vimjonk character from PEx who intruded into IBN territory. Dude said that if one compared the Azkals' FIFA ranking and our FIBA rank and did a ratio-proportion calculation, the Azkals would actually come out as better-ranked. He conveniently forgot that FIFA includes the results of all games, friendlies included, in the rankings, whereas FIBA includes only tournaments where continental championships are at stake, or higher. This means that countries like Thailand and Cambodia, which almost never make it out of SEABA, have zero points and are thus unranked. This doesn't mean they don't have basketball there.

Wala lang. Of course, the douche took my words back to PEx and attempted to refute me there. Just a case of not having the balls to engage a group of informed basketball diehards. I wonder what he's thinking now that we're on the verge of getting a semifinals slot, and if everything pans out, our first Olympic berth.

[potz05]

Hanggang dito ba naman!? :eek:

Trans.

Man move on with that freakin' number! We all see what are team is doing right now. Even us die hard bball fans don't care much about the RP's rankings.

[nardy]

the only way we'll jump high in the rankings at the earliest is if we win in Wuhan and we garner a respectable placing in London.

A 4th place or lower in FIBA-Asia only has minimal effect since the weight given to a FIBA-Asia Championship is only a lowly 30%.

1. Event selection and weight
FIBA World Championships 500%
Olympic Basketball Tournaments 500%
FIBA Africa Championships 20%
FIBA Americas Championships 80%
FIBA Asia Championships 30%
Eurobasket Championships 100%
FIBA Oceania Championships 10%

2. Competition Ranking Scoring System
Gold 50 pts
Silver 40 pts
Bronze 30 pts
4 15 pts
5 14 pts
6 13 pts
7 12 pts
8 11 pts
9 10 pts
10 9 pts
11 8 pts
12 7 pts
13 6 pts
14 5 pts
15 4 pts
16 3 pts
17 2 pts
18 etc... 1 pt

3. Cycle
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle (including qualifying competitions at FIBA Zone level). Here are the number of competitions that are taken into account:

2 FIBA World Championships
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments
4 FIBA Africa Championships
4 FIBA Americas Championships
4 FIBA Asia Championships
4 Eurobasket Championships
4 FIBA Oceania Championships

Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.

[reamily]

really would have agood boost in rankings.. slowly but surely guys:D

[Servinio]

Recalculated FIBA-Aisa rankings after the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's Championship at Wuhan, China:

Rank (Previous Rank)

1 (1) China 219.7
2 (2) Iran 83.1
3 (3) Lebanon 47.4
4 (6) Jordan 33.8
5 (5) South Korea 26.1
6 (7) Japan 23.8
7 (4) Qatar 22.4
8 (9) Chinese-Taipei 14.4
9 (12) Philippines 10.8
10 (8) Kazakhstan 10.2
11 (10) India 6.6
11 (15) Indonesia 6.6
13 (13) Uzbekistan 6.0
14 (18) United Arab Emirates 5.7
14 (11) Kuwait 5.7
16 (13) Syria 5.4
17 (17) Saudi Arabia 3.3
17 (19) Malaysia 3.3
19 (15) Hong Kong 3.0
20 (-) Bahrain 1.2
21 (20) Sri Lanka 0.9


Note: Points earned during the 2003 FIBA-Asia Men's at Harbin, China were discarded and points earned during the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's at Wuhan, China were added.

[yogaflame]

What a joke Taipei still higher than us

[reamily]

What a joke Taipei still higher than us

they ranked higher than us in 2007 and 2009 so nothing to whine for us even though we OWN them everytime:D

[durden_tyler]

they ranked higher than us in 2007 and 2009 so nothing to whine for us even though we OWN them everytime:D

Exactly. That's why it's just a number :) Rankings like this are very, very subjective year-by-year.

You're only as good as your last game, so they say. ;)

[coffeeoffice]

Recalculated FIBA-Aisa rankings after the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's Championship at Wuhan, China:

Rank (Previous Rank)

1 (1) China 219.7
2 (2) Iran 83.1
3 (3) Lebanon 47.4
4 (6) Jordan 33.8
5 (5) South Korea 26.1
6 (7) Japan 23.8
7 (4) Qatar 22.4
8 (9) Chinese-Taipei 14.4
9 (12) Philippines 10.8
10 (8) Kazakhstan 10.2
11 (10) India 6.6
11 (15) Indonesia 6.6
13 (13) Uzbekistan 6.0
14 (18) United Arab Emirates 5.7
14 (11) Kuwait 5.7
16 (13) Syria 5.4
17 (17) Saudi Arabia 3.3
17 (19) Malaysia 3.3
19 (15) Hong Kong 3.0
20 (-) Bahrain 1.2
21 (20) Sri Lanka 0.9


Note: Points earned during the 2003 FIBA-Asia Men's at Harbin, China were discarded and points earned during the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's at Wuhan, China were added.


A big IF, If we won that Bronze against Korea yesterday, We would have a 25.8 points at 5th. place, above over korea! and also we would have leaped over Japan, Qatar, and Taiwan.
Sayang din talaga...

[Servinio]

A big IF, If we won that Bronze against Korea yesterday, We would have a 25.8 points at 5th. place, above over korea! and also we would have leaped over Japan, Qatar, and Taiwan.
Sayang din talaga...
A bronze medal finish yesterday will only be enough to put the Philippines in Eighth Place with 15.3 points. If they lost, South Korea will end up at Seventh Place with 21.6 points. All the other teams' point totals will stay the same.

The FIBA-Asia Men's rankings will move again after the 2012 London Olympics. China will fortify its hold on the top spot with another Olympic stint while all the other Asian teams wait at the sidelines -- unless Jordan and South Korea qualify via the wild card tournament before the Olympics.

[Big Ticket]

in the last 6 years, we're ranked 9th overall in asia...but this year, we're ranked 4th...slowly but surely..

[Servinio]

in the last 6 years, we're ranked 9th overall in asia...but this year, we're ranked 4th...slowly but surely..
When the next FIBA-Asia Men's comes in 2013, we have no place to go but up because our current 10.8 points will not be debited because we did not participate in the 2005 FIBA-Asia Men's in Qatar.

All the other countries that played in Qatar will lose the points they earned and will have to improve on or equal their 2005 finish in order to raise or maintain their ranking.

We can earn anything from 0.9 of a point just for joining to as much as 15.0 points for winning it all!

[Big Ticket]

When the next FIBA-Asia Men's comes in 2013, we have no place to go but up because our current 10.8 points will not be debited because we did not participate in the 2005 FIBA-Asia Men's in Qatar.

All the other countries that played in Qatar will lose the points they earned and will have to improve on or equal their 2005 finish in order to raise or maintain their ranking.

We can earn anything from 0.9 of a point just for joining to as much as 15.0 points for winning it all!

thanks! do you an idea of what would be our FIBA ranking now? it should definitely be better than #53...

[Servinio]

thanks! do you an idea of what would be our FIBA ranking now? it should definitely be better than #53...
FIBA just saved me the effort of self-computing . . . they just updated their ranking. The Philippines is now ranked 45th in the world -- a jump of eight notches from the previous rank of 53rd.

We are sandwiched between #44 Portugal and #46 Central African Republic. The Philippines' improvement of eight notches is only exceeded by Macedonia (33 from 47) and Great Britain (43 from 56).

The latest FIBA rankings were made upon completion of all the continental zone championships.

[Big Ticket]

FIBA just saved me the effort of self-computing . . . they just updated their ranking. The Philippines is now ranked 45th in the world -- a jump of eight notches from the previous rank of 53rd.

We are sandwiched between #44 Portugal and #46 Central African Republic. The Philippines' improvement of eight notches is only exceeded by Macedonia (33 from 47) and Great Britain (43 from 56).

The latest FIBA rankings were made upon completion of all the continental zone championships.

thanks!

BTW, do the results of the U16 and U18 tournaments count in the rankings?

[Jay P. Mercado]

I think they rate the performance of the Youth separately from the Men's ranking, BT.

Interesting to see the real Top 10 in Asia today. In order:

1. China
2. Iran
3. Lebanon
4. Jordan
5. South Korea
6. Japan
7. Qatar
8. Chinese Taipei
9. Philippines
10. Kazakhstan

What's interesting here is that from #3 to #10, it's a virtual tossup. In other words, the #10 team can easily be the #3 team and vice versa. China and Iran are in a venerable elite all their own but there are times like last week when another team can "upset" any or both.

I can't wait for the rankings on 2013. Since we were suspended in 2005, we're expected to jack up or at least, maintain our score, unlike other teams that would need to do better than their 2005 performance or at least approximate it. Hopefully, if we do well on 2013, we might see ourselves reaching the Top 30 for the first time in several years.

[budz17]

I think they rate the performance of the Youth separately from the Men's ranking, BT.

Interesting to see the real Top 10 in Asia today. In order:

1. China
2. Iran
3. Lebanon
4. Jordan
5. South Korea
6. Japan
7. Qatar
8. Chinese Taipei
9. Philippines
10. Kazakhstan

What's interesting here is that from #3 to #10, it's a virtual tossup. In other words, the #10 team can easily be the #3 team and vice versa. China and Iran are in a venerable elite all their own but there are times like last week when another team can "upset" any or both.

I can't wait for the rankings on 2013. Since we were suspended in 2005, we're expected to jack up or at least, maintain our score, unlike other teams that would need to do better than their 2005 performance or at least approximate it. Hopefully, if we do well on 2013, we might see ourselves reaching the Top 30 for the first time in several years.

whoa, top 30, that would be something. how about top 20? wishful thinking I guess but with 9th place in tokushima, 8th in tianjin, 2013 to 2015 would see our rankings rise if we consistently perform at a high level. I wish in 2013 and 2015 we would finish at the podium, maybe top 20 would be in reach then.

anyway, I see our team becoming better than lebanon, jordan and south korea in the coming years. lebanon and jordan are already aging and so far there seems to be no new talent coming out from their.

[jesronne]

whoa, top 30, that would be something. how about top 20? wishful thinking I guess but with 9th place in tokushima, 8th in tianjin, 2013 to 2015 would see our rankings rise if we consistently perform at a high level. I wish in 2013 and 2015 we would finish at the podium, maybe top 20 would be in reach then.

anyway, I see our team becoming better than lebanon, jordan and south korea in the coming years. lebanon and jordan are already aging and so far there seems to be no new talent coming out from their.

i agree with this one... for jordan they will get another naturalized player for sure... but their main catalyst in their campaign in wuhan si sam daghles and when he retires there will be no other players that can replace him talent wise... for lebanon without khatib they will be always in trouble... for korea? i dont think so they could still compete because they have good young players...

[codcradle]

Malaysia +1 Indonesia +5 good for our SEA neighbors

[Bobbyd]

[QUOTE=budz17;654404]whoa, top 30, that would be something. how about top 20? wishful thinking I guess but with 9th place in tokushima, 8th in tianjin, 2013 to 2015 would see our rankings rise if we consistently perform at a high level. I wish in 2013 and 2015 we would finish at the podium, maybe top 20 would be in reach then.


I agree. Actually I think that is a realistic goal for the Philippines, to aim for a spot in the top 20 of the Fiba rankings. I think this year's Fiba Asia, which moved the Philippines up 8 places, was a good start toward achieving that goal. Hopefully the national team will, one day, get complete cooperation from the PBA in the use of their players. In fact, I think the people should demand that the PBA teams cooperate with the national team.

[Silent Killer]

Malaysia +1 Indonesia +5 good for our SEA neighbors

they did good in wuhan, honestly speaking.

[Roseblade13]

I would not be surprised the way our program is going the next ten years we could be top 15 or top 10, If we make it to the worlds in 2014, 2018 Olympics in 2016 and 2020 it would increase our ratings so much

[GB3934]

I would not be surprised the way our program is going the next ten years we could be top 15 or top 10, If we make it to the worlds in 2014, 2018 Olympics in 2016 and 2020 it would increase our ratings so much

The only top 20 team without an NBA player on their roster is Angola but they are loaded with athletic ability. Top 10 teams other than Greece have at least 2 NBA players. So hopefully 1-2 RP NT players will be in he NBA by then, I think Stephen Holt has the best chance.

[Roseblade13]

The only top 20 team without an NBA player on their roster is Angola but they are loaded with athletic ability. Top 10 teams other than Greece have at least 2 NBA players. So hopefully 1-2 RP NT players will be in he NBA by then, I think Stephen Holt has the best chance.

who knows Keifer or parks?? but i hope we would have that is one way to go up

[Big Ticket]

china is ranked 10th while russia is ranked 11th......something's wrong there...hehe...

[reamily]

china is ranked 10th while russia is ranked 11th......something's wrong there...hehe...

China has been consistently in the olympics while russia did not joined in 2004 :eek: naisahan p rin:D:D