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Lietuvis

08-30-2006, 04:58 AM

OK lets make this interesting now and as I am not too happy that we got beat by Spain, lets put things into perspective.

If we divide the current ranking score by the population, what do we get...

Population
1. USA 298,213,000
2. YUG* 14,306,136
3. ARG 38,747,000
4. LTU 3,431,000
5. ESP 43,064,000
6. ITA 58,093,000
7. RUS 143,202,000
8. GRE 11,120,000
9. AUS 20,155,000
10. FRA 60,496,000
11. PUR 3,955,000
12. CAN 32,268,000
13. GER 82,689,000
14. CHN 1,315,844,000
15. BRA 186,405,000
16. NZL 4,028,000
17. ANG 15,941,000
18. TUR 73,193,000
19. CRO 4,551,000
20. VEN 26,749,000

Hmmm, thats what I like to see:D

1 LTU 13.41%
2 PUR 6.26%
3 YUG* 4.95%
4 NZL 4.42%
5 CRO 2.75%
6 GRE 2.73%
7 ARG 1.81%
8 AUS 1.38%
9 ESP 1.02%
10 ANG 0.98%
11 ITA 0.75%
12 CAN 0.72%
13 FRA 0.45%
14 VEN 0.37%
15 USA 0.28%
16 GER 0.27%
17 RUS 0.25%
18 TUR 0.18%
19 BRA 0.11%
20 CHN 0.02%

I feel better now.....:p

PRSURF

08-30-2006, 05:38 AM

Me too hehehe

Lebanese X-Factor

08-30-2006, 10:13 AM

You forgot Lebanon, It might be 5th if you add it there ..hehe

Lebanon is a small country with a small population ! hehehe

LuDux

08-31-2006, 03:17 PM

FIBA ranking without points for WC'1998 and WC'2006

1. USA 682,2
2. ARG 645,0
3. YUG 458,0
4. LTU 400,0
5. ESP 369,0
6. ITA 368,0
7. FRA 273,0
8. GRE 229,0
9. AUS 229,0
10.GER 227,0
11.CHI 212,0
12.PUR 207,6
13.CAN 196,0
14.NZE 178,0
15.RUS 162,0
16.BRA 158,0
17.ANG 156,0
18.TUR 129,0
19.CRO 125,0
20.VEN 99,4

Kings

09-03-2006, 12:41 PM

1.Spain,9-0
2.Greece,8-1
3.USA,8-1
4.Argentina,7-2
5.France,6-3
6.Turkey,6-3
7.Lithuania,5-4
8.Germany,5-4
9.Italy,4-2
10.Angola,3-3
11.Serbia & Montenegro,2-4
12.Slovenia,2-4
13.Australia,2-4
14.Nigeria,2-4
15.China,2-4
16.New Zealand,2-4
17.Puerto Rico,2-3
18.Lebanon,2-3
19.Brazil,1-4
20.Japan,1-4
21.Venezuela,1-4
22.Senegal,0-5
23.Panama,0-5
24.Qatar,0-5

BadMann

09-03-2006, 01:45 PM

i think argentina is better than greece , they are as the same capacity as es , usa is weakest in top4 , lithunia is more deserved 5 than france ,

rikhardur

09-03-2006, 02:13 PM

FIBA rankings after the end of the WC:

Team Rank Points
1. USA 832.2
2. ARG 720.0
3. ESP 619.0
4. YUG* 508.0
5. LTU 460.0
6. GRE 429.0
7. ITA 418.0
8. FRA 343.0
9. GER 282.0
10. AUS 279.0
11. CHN 262.0
12. NZL 228.0
13. PUR 217.6
14. ANG 206.0
15. CAN 196.0
16. TUR 194.0
17. BRA 168.0
18. RUS 162.0
19. CRO 125.0
20. SLO 121.0
21. VEN 104.6
22. NGR 100.8
23. ISR 62.0
24. LIB 57.1
25. KOR 51.5
26. QAT 45.2
27. DOM 43.8
28. JPN 39.2
29. ALG 36.0
30. PAN 34.6
31. URU 34.4
32. EGY 34.0
33. LAT 33.0
34. MEX 25.6
35. SEN 20.8
36. BIH 20.0
37. IRI 18.1
38. ISV 16.8
39. UKR 14.0
40. TPE 13.5
41. KSA 12.3
42. TUN 11.0
43. SYR 10.8
44. UZB 9.9
44. KUW 9.9
46. IND 8.7
47. MAR 8.6
48. CIV 7.8
49. CAF 7.6
50. CUB 7.2
50. HKG 7.2
52. CZE 7.0
52. MAS 7.0
52. MLI 7.0
52. MOZ 7.0
56. KAZ 6.3
56. JOR 6.3
58. RSA 6.2
59. MKD 6.0
59. BUL 6.0
61. UAE 5.4
62. EST 5.0
62. HUN 5.0
64. GUM 4.0
65. PHI 3.6
66. THA 3.3
67. SWE 3.0
67. POR 3.0
69. BRN 2.1
70. CPV 2.0
70. GAB 2.0
72. INA 1.5
72. SIN 1.5
74. MAD 1.4

*Unlisted Countries are ranked 75th

HABIBI

09-03-2006, 02:38 PM

I think the real heroes are the players from Lebanon .Congratulations to all the teams for all these greats games and moments.See you at Turkey!and some of you at Spain.;)

kestas

09-03-2006, 02:42 PM

are those official?

9.Italy,4-2
10.Angola,3-3
11.Serbia & Montenegro,2-4
12.Slovenia,2-4
13.Australia,2-4
14.Nigeria,2-4
15.China,2-4
16.New Zealand,2-4
17.Puerto Rico,2-3
18.Lebanon,2-3
19.Brazil,1-4
20.Japan,1-4
21.Venezuela,1-4
22.Senegal,1-4
23.Panama,1-4
24.Qatar,1-4

hagakure

09-03-2006, 02:45 PM

are those official?

No. These are the official rankings:

2006 FIBA World Championship
FINAL RANKING
# COUNTRY
1. Flag of Spain Spain
2. Flag of Greece Greece
3. Flag of USA USA
4. Flag of Argentina Argentina
5. Flag of France France
6. Flag of Turkey Turkey
7. Flag of Lithuania Lithuania
8. Flag of Germany Germany
9. Flag of Angola Angola
Flag of Australia Australia
Flag of China China
Flag of Italy Italy
Flag of New Zealand New Zealand
Flag of Nigeria Nigeria
Flag of Serbia & Montenegro Serbia & Montenegro
Flag of Slovenia Slovenia
17. Flag of Brazil Brazil
Flag of Japan Japan
Flag of Lebanon Lebanon
Flag of Puerto Rico Puerto Rico
21. Flag of Panama Panama
Flag of Qatar Qatar
Flag of Senegal Senegal
Flag of Venezuela Venezuela

sinobball

09-03-2006, 02:47 PM

You forgot Lebanon, It might be 5th if you add it there ..hehe

Lebanon is a small country with a small population ! hehehe
If I'm not mistaken, there are more Lebanese abroad than in Lebanon.

khatib

09-03-2006, 04:33 PM

22.Senegal,1-4
23.Panama,1-4
24.Qatar,1-4

22.Senegal,0-5
23.Panama,0-5
24.Qatar,0-5

PHILIPeurobasket

09-03-2006, 07:07 PM

khatib

09-03-2006, 07:17 PM

Full standings after WC:

1. Spain
2. Greece
3. USA
4. Argentina
5. France
6. Turkey
7. Lithuania
8. Germany
9. Angola
Australia
China
Italy
New Zeleand
Nigeria
Serbia
Slovenia
17. Brasil
Japan
Lebanon
Puerto Rico
20. Panama
Qatar
Senegal
Venezuela

That's alphabetical standings, here is the correct standings FIBA should fix this soon.

1.Spain,9-0
2.Greece,8-1
3.USA,8-1
4.Argentina,7-2
5.France,6-3
6.Turkey,6-3
7.Lithuania,5-4
8.Germany,5-4
9.Italy,4-2

10.Angola,3-3
11.Serbia & Montenegro,2-4
12.Slovenia,2-4
13.Australia,2-4
14.Nigeria,2-4
15.China,2-4
16.New Zealand,2-4

17.Puerto Rico,2-3
18.Lebanon,2-3
19.Brazil,1-4
20.Japan,1-4
21.Venezuela,1-4
22.Senegal,0-5
23.Panama,0-5
24.Qatar,0-5

PHILIPeurobasket

09-03-2006, 07:32 PM

Ok, thanks :)

kestas

09-03-2006, 07:46 PM

That's alphabetical standings, here is the correct standings FIBA should fix this soon.

why are Serbs above Slovenia, Australia, etc.?

PRSURF

09-03-2006, 08:17 PM

This is the new ranking FIBA:

1. USA 832.2
2. ARG 720.0
3. ESP 619.0
4. YUG* 508.0
5. LTU 460.0
6. GRE 429.0
7. ITA 418.0
8. FRA 343.0
9. GER 282.0
10. AUS 279.0
11. CHN 262.0
12. NZL 228.0
13. PUR 217.6 :mad:
14. ANG 206.0
15. CAN 196.0
16. TUR 194.0
17. BRA 168.0
18. RUS 162.0
19. CRO 125.0
20. SLO 121.0
21. VEN 104.6
22. NGR 100.8
23. ISR 62.0
24. LIB 57.1
25. KOR 51.5
26. QAT 45.2
27. DOM 43.8
28. JPN 39.2
29. ALG 36.0
30. PAN 34.6
31. URU 34.4
32. EGY 34.0
33. LAT 33.0
34. MEX 25.6
35. SEN 20.8
36. BIH 20.0
37. IRI 18.1
38. ISV 16.8
39. UKR 14.0
40. TPE 13.5
41. KSA 12.3
42. TUN 11.0
43. SYR 10.8
44. UZB 9.9
44. KUW 9.9
46. IND 8.7
47. MAR 8.6
48. CIV 7.8
49. CAF 7.6
50. CUB 7.2
50. HKG 7.2
52. CZE 7.0
52. MAS 7.0
52. MLI 7.0
52. MOZ 7.0
56. KAZ 6.3
56. JOR 6.3
58. RSA 6.2
59. MKD 6.0
59. BUL 6.0
61. UAE 5.4
62. EST 5.0
62. HUN 5.0
64. GUM 4.0
65. PHI 3.6
66. THA 3.3
67. SWE 3.0
67. POR 3.0
69. BRN 2.1
70. CPV 2.0
70. GAB 2.0
72. INA 1.5
72. SIN 1.5
74. MAD 1.4

PHILIPeurobasket

09-03-2006, 08:35 PM

Sorry but where is Poland !? :eek:

PRSURF

09-03-2006, 09:05 PM

Sorry but where is Poland !? :eek:75:confused:

mayteromanl

09-03-2006, 10:08 PM

What I didn't like at all was the USA team received their medals just after their game vs Argentina, it wasn't fair, I like the 3 winners receive their medals all together

Kings

09-03-2006, 11:36 PM

Khatib thanked

sportingara

09-03-2006, 11:47 PM

What I didn't like at all was the USA team received their medals just after their game vs Argentina, it wasn't fair, I like the 3 winners receive their medals all together

I second that! And by the way, why was the 3-4 place final a day before. Didn't they use to play just before the final on the same day? Maybe that's the reason for the medal ceremony being split in to two...:(

qiangdade

09-03-2006, 11:59 PM

PRSURF

09-04-2006, 12:17 AM

do u happen to have the standings before the wc also? would bee nice to see what changed. I know greece was 8thI think Russia,Serbia and Croatia move down of the spots,like Puerto Rico was in the 11 and now is 13

Lietuvis

09-04-2006, 12:49 AM

So how does it work with Serbia and Yugoslavia???

OK they are 4th now so does Serbian results only count for this from now on?

How does Montenegra buy in to this? Maybe they need to apportion their results to put them on the board as M is now joined FIBA???

Or do they need to start from scratch?

Lithuania had to start from scratch after they regained independence from Russia...

:confused:

YM4Ever

09-04-2006, 01:42 AM

:confused: China is behind Australia, and Turkey and Slovenia are six and ten places behind AUS. What kind of ranking is that?

Lietuvis

09-04-2006, 03:05 AM

The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle. Here are the number of competitions that are taken into account:

2 FIBA World Championships
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments
2 FIBA U19 World Championships
2 FIBA U21 World Championships
5 FIBA Africa Championships
5 FIBA Americas Championships
5 FIBA Asia Championships
5 Eurobasket Championships
5 FIBA Oceania Championships

China has finished in the last 2 Olympics 8th/10th and 12th in the 2002 WC. Ignoring all other results that about puts them 11th....

Australia has performed better over this period etc

PHILIPeurobasket

09-04-2006, 04:28 AM

rikhardur can You tell me where in your ranking is Poland !? :confused:

PHILIPeurobasket

09-04-2006, 04:30 AM

75:confused:

What !? :eek: Do you think that Poland is lower than:
70. CPV 2.0
70. GAB 2.0
72. INA 1.5
72. SIN 1.5
74. MAD 1.4

PRSURF

09-04-2006, 04:46 AM

What !? :eek: Do you think that Poland is lower than:
70. CPV 2.0
70. GAB 2.0
72. INA 1.5
72. SIN 1.5
74. MAD 1.4Nop bro,let me see again the ranking,ok?

PRSURF

09-04-2006, 04:49 AM

:( Bad news philip

Lietuvis

09-04-2006, 04:54 AM

This is not his ranking it is FIBAs.

Have a look at the tournaments below and answer if Poland has played in any of them and if so whjat place they came.

I cant remember them being in the last 2 Olympics or WC or even in European championships.

If the answer is no to all those tournaments then they are ranked 75th like all other unlisted countries..

PHILIPeurobasket

09-04-2006, 05:46 AM

I cant remember them being in the last 2 Olympics or WC or even in European championships.

Please be patient :rolleyes: Polish Nt in European championships 2007 Qualifiers led in group :) We beat Sweden and Bulgaria .. so way yto Spain is so close :p

PHILIPeurobasket

09-04-2006, 05:49 AM

:( Bad news philip

Bro, I didnt believe that we are lower than MAD, SIN or INA ... Polish NT led in European Championships Qualifications. We beat Sweden, and yesterday Bulgaria ...

Jan van Grabski

09-04-2006, 06:14 AM

Please be patient :rolleyes: Polish Nt in European championships 2007 Qualifiers led in group :) We beat Sweden and Bulgaria .. so way yto Spain is so close :p

i understand that these rankings are about the achievments and not about qualification rounds.

from fiba site:
European Championship for Men (1967) - 3rd place
European Championship for Men (1965) - 3rd place
European Championship for Men (1963) - 2nd place
European Championship for Men (1939) - 3rd place
European Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men (1976) - 3rd place
European Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men (1968) - 3rd place

marko

09-04-2006, 11:50 AM

If I'm not mistaken, there are more Lebanese abroad than in Lebanon.
yes indeed

only in brazil we have about double than our population ..

rikhardur

09-04-2006, 01:59 PM

rikhardur can You tell me where in your ranking is Poland !? :confused:
Yeah I took it from FIBA's website :)

Stardusted

09-05-2006, 10:25 AM

What I didn't like at all was the USA team received their medals just after their game vs Argentina, it wasn't fair, I like the 3 winners receive their medals all together

I agree! All medal winners should receive their medals together, it is a special moment for all of them. Too bad they did that, it took away some of the fun and celebrating for their fans.

pilipinas02

09-06-2006, 06:13 AM

...because 3rd place game should also be played on the same day of the finals game...

i can't comment on the rankings because my country is still suspended by fiba:( but i'm pretty sure that we have a great national team:)

carlosGC

09-06-2006, 09:40 AM

why are Serbs above Slovenia, Australia, etc.?

Dunno, maybe because of point difference they got against Venezuela and Lebanon in group stage. But this doesn't seem right since Slovenia and Nigeria finished 3rd, and Serbs 4th. So I am asking again, is that ranking official?

So how does it work with Serbia and Yugoslavia???

OK they are 4th now so does Serbian results only count for this from now on?

How does Montenegra buy in to this? Maybe they need to apportion their results to put them on the board as M is now joined FIBA???

Or do they need to start from scratch?

Lithuania had to start from scratch after they regained independence from Russia...

I believe 4. YUG* 508.0 should be changed to 4. Serbia 508.0 and Montenegro starts from scratch, ranked 75.

LuDux

09-06-2006, 01:02 PM

All 9-16 teams recieved 50 points in FIBA rating

carlosGC

09-06-2006, 03:37 PM

Well, that surely answered my question. Thanks for replying.

Czarkazem13

09-06-2006, 10:26 PM

Me too hehehe

Same here.:D

PRSURF

09-06-2006, 11:44 PM

All 9-16 teams recieved 50 points in FIBA ratingAnd 8-1 teams?

carlosGC

09-07-2006, 04:34 AM

Ranking points, I believe these are correct
1. 250pts
2. 200
3. 150
4. 75 :( :mad: :mad: :mad: Dude, they ripped us off (3rd place doubles our points)
5. 70
6. 65
7. 60
8. 55
9-16 50

PRSURF

09-07-2006, 04:52 AM

Thanks,and the points in the preolimpics?

Lietuvis

09-07-2006, 05:00 AM

I believe 4. YUG* 508.0 should be changed to 4. Serbia 508.0 and Montenegro starts from scratch, ranked 75.

Is that fair on Montengrans and other countries that made up the former Yugoslavian team?

grille-pain

09-07-2006, 10:11 AM

Is that fair on Montengrans and other countries that made up the former Yugoslavian team?

Fair, surely not but that's the only way to do. Serbia (in the years calculated in the ranking) has provided most of the players in Serbia-Montenegro NT (e.g. : no Montenegran Player were on the S&M NT for last world championship). You can't divide the points according to the % of Serbian players and Montenegran players :confused:

The same happened for the ex-URSS countries, even if Lituanian players were a great force.

P.S. : hello everyone, it was my first post here. This forum seems cool and sorry for my english :D

Lietuvis

09-07-2006, 08:14 PM

Good post and the first to reply to my question with some logic!

Cheers!

carlosGC

09-08-2006, 09:24 AM

Good post and the first to reply to my question with some logic!

Well, I was the only one that replied before. You mean my answer was foolish?? I'm shocked. Are you questioning my intellectuality????? :rolleyes: (I'm pretty much sure i've read much more moronic comments than mine on this forum, and just skimmed and forgot them; well I replied a few) I don't know if it was clear, that the following

I believe 4. YUG* 508.0 should be changed to 4. Serbia 508.0 and Montenegro starts from scratch, ranked 75.

was my opinion, I really don't know how FIBA will deal with that.
Or you were refering to the question below?
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Is that fair on Montengrans and other countries that made up the former Yugoslavian team?

I don't really have a clue if there were Montenegrins in the Yugoslavian team (grille-pain affirms there weren't), but that shouldn't matter anyway. Even if the team was "stuffed with" Montenegrins, I think it would be correct to make Montenegro start 75th. (it may seem unfair for montenegrins though)
I mean, Montenegro as a new country has to start from scratch on every aspect concerning a country's international affairs and everything related to international organizations, why should it be different with FIBA?. Summarized, Montenegro is the separating country, not Serbia (I believe they(Serbia) were the head country in Serbia & Montenegro federation, am I wrong?).
There was/is a thread in the Serbia-Montenegro subforum, where I posted an article (a "fact-box" related to Montenegro's separation) from news agency Reuters. You can check it out.

only I really don't see your point in that question?

Either
1. you'd like to see Serbia below Lithuania in FIBA ranking, (I don't know, is there an unending rivalry between Serbs and Lithuanians in basketball??? Something like Brazil-Argentina in soccer.) thus want Serbia and Montenegro to split the points.
OR
2. you actually care if Montenegro starts from the 75th position and want to know what others think.

Maybe both.

Thanks,and the points in the preolimpics?

I'm not sure, my guess is that FIBA doesn't give points for preolympics. Anyway who cares about the meager points (if there are), the thing is to qualify for the Olympics. Just two direct spots for Americas, same for Europe. I think 3rd-5th teams (3rd-6th for europe) have a shot at the Olympic Qualifying Tournament in July 2008, which is a 12 team tournament; three teams that reach podium here qualify for Olympics.

i think argentina is better than greece , they are as the same capacity as es , usa is weakest in top4 , lithunia is more deserved 5 than france ,

Well, I didn't expect Greece to play as bad as they did, for god's sake! they were playing THE FINAL, but I knew beforehand Spain was superior. Greeks left many doubts, it even looked (at least through my eyes) as Greece didn't deserve to be in the final, but in fact they really earned the right to be there (they defeated USA).

I just wanted to add that if demoralized Argentinian team would have beaten the USA in bronze medal game, this would have been FIBA's ranking, seriously

1. ARG 795.0 :D
2. USA 757.2 Yep, USA dethroned.
3. ESP 619.0
4. YUG* 508.0
5. LTU 460.0
...
Now everybody, be honest, wouldn't this ranking have looked nice? :D

Third place was important indeed, many points were at stake, but even if we didn't make it I can't reproach them for anything, wouldn't be fair.

Alain_yaghi

09-08-2006, 01:12 PM

yes indeed

only in brazil we have about double than our population ..

WITH THAT SMALL POPULATION, WE MANAGED TO MOVE FROM ARROUND 40TH PLACE TO 24 !!! ( IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN )

GONGRATULATION TO LEBANON !

LuDux

09-08-2006, 01:55 PM

Thanks,and the points in the preolimpics?

Onlu Olympic games, World championships, continental championships and world U21 and U19 championships. AND you can read all about rankings here
http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/misc/ranking/FIBArankingG.asp?an_id=557&pn_id=178&

Lietuvis

09-08-2006, 08:32 PM

Well, I was the only one that replied before. You mean my answer was foolish?? I'm shocked. Are you questioning my intellectuality????? :rolleyes: (I'm pretty much sure i've read much more moronic comments than mine on this forum, and just skimmed and forgot them; well I replied a few) I don't know if it was clear, that the following

Take no offence as I was merely welcoming a new member at the same time reading why the results should be that way as well not just stating the number. What I mean by "logic" is by providing the reasoning why. It does not mean foolish as you have implied.

Answer your questions:

1. Yugoslavia now does not exist. So why keep putting on YUG on the FIBA website when they just need to make a decision. I agree that it should be Serbia that should be replaced and I was queriying the point that should they take the credit for all 8 years of WC, Olympics etc from all their previous counterparts. Will FIBA keep YUG on their rankings until a full cycle has been completed by Serbia (another 7 yrs)?? and yes of course I would like to see us as #4;)

2. Well again, with Montengrans starting 75th could be a little rough especially if they have had players recently in the YUG team. In my ignorance I do not know the spilt of S v M in the team so if it was 50/50 would it be fair for Serbia to claim 4th? But as grille-pain has pointed out it has been a minority if any at all but again this needs to be considered over the previous FIBA ranking cycle.

But as you have stated, it seem Montengrans are the separating country so this may be one of the "con" in doing so that all sporting affiliations, rankings etc start from scratch as what has happened when Lithuania regained its independence.

kestas

09-09-2006, 11:20 AM

Onlu Olympic games, World championships, continental championships and world U21 and U19 championships. AND you can read all about rankings here
http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/misc/ranking/FIBArankingG.asp?an_id=557&pn_id=178&

new tournament will be important, so it's almost certain they will give out some kind of points there. although who cares..

and according to the rankings system placings 19-9 should be awarded 1-10 points (multiplied by the coefficient). giving most of them 50 points contradicts the rules FIBA has published. though this is no news,...

btw, giving teams placed 9-16 (sharing 16th spot, which is bulls*it) like Angola or New Zealand 50 points is a disgrace. first place in Eurobasket is worth that. or gold in World championships of U-21.. or all five African Championships.. in other words, when New Zealand loses to Australia to "win" the second spot in Oceania, for which it gets 4 (!!!) points, and then goes to WC, where it wins 30% of matches and gets awarded... 50 points.

and having YUG in the ranking is beyond any logical thinking. it's just stupid, simple as that. as far as these rankings go, Serbia, or Serbia and Montenegro are not ranked at all and never were. this makes it strange we do not see USSR in the rankings.

PRSURF

09-09-2006, 10:25 PM

Buducnost PG

09-10-2006, 09:24 AM

YUG* 14,306,136

That´s wrong. Serbia&Montenegro together had around 8,5mio. With Kosovo 10,5mio but they are like a own country and their are only albanians so we never get players from this region.

Buducnost PG

09-10-2006, 09:28 AM

Buducnost PG

09-10-2006, 09:39 AM

and having YUG in the ranking is beyond any logical thinking. it's just stupid, simple as that. as far as these rankings go, Serbia, or Serbia and Montenegro are not ranked at all and never were. this makes it strange we do not see USSR in the rankings.

That is FIBA´s mistake. The country was called since 2003 Serbia&Montenegro before it was Yougslavia so they have to change this into Serbia now. And Montenegro had few players over the years in the SCG NT and at the WC also one player in Goran Nikolic (born in Niksic/Montenegro). So we also had Predrag Drobnjak, Vlado Scepanovic and earlier Zarko Paspalj.

australasian

09-10-2006, 10:45 AM

I just wanted to add that if demoralized Argentinian team would have beaten the USA in bronze medal game, this would have been FIBA's ranking, seriously

1. ARG 795.0 :D
2. USA 757.2 Yep, USA dethroned.
3. ESP 619.0
4. YUG* 508.0
5. LTU 460.0
...
Now everybody, be honest, wouldn't this ranking have looked nice? :D

It would be a fuken ugly ranking if you ask me, USA will NEVER lose their throne of first place seriously.

elaj

09-10-2006, 11:19 AM

It would be a fuken ugly ranking if you ask me, USA will NEVER lose their throne of first place seriously.
Dude first Yugoslavia, now this. You need to get out of that hole. Start watching TV or reading internet news. :D

daniab

07-23-2007, 07:29 PM

1. USA USA 832.2 0.2
2. Argentina ARG 718.0 -2.0
3. Spain ESP 580.0 -39.0
4. Serbia SRB 558.0
5. Lithuania LTU 470.0 10.0
6. Italy ITA 418.0 0.0
7. Greece GRE 417.0 -12.0
8. France FRA 373.0 30.0
9. Germany GER 282.0 0.0
10. Australia AUS 279.0 0.0
11. China CHN 265.0 3.0
12. New Zealand NZL 228.0 0.0
13. Puerto Rico PUR 220.6 2.6
14. Turkey TUR 206.0 12.0
14. Angola ANG 206.0 0.0
16. Canada CAN 205.0 9.0
17. Brazil BRA 172.0 4.0
18. Russia RUS 149.0 -13.0
19. Slovenia SLO 121.0 0.0
20. Venezuela VEN 97.6 -7.4
21. Nigeria NGR 96.8 -4.2
22. Croatia CRO 95.0 -30.0
23. Lebanon LIB 63.1 6.1
24. Israel ISR 62.0 0.0
25. Korea KOR 59.5 7.5
26. Dominican Republic DOM 43.8 -0.2
27. Qatar QAT 36.2 -8.8
28. Algeria ALG 36.0 0.0
29. Panama PAN 34.6 -0.4
30. Uruguay URU 34.4 0.4
31. Japan JPN 34.2 -4.8
32. Egypt EGY 28.0 -6.0
33. Mexico MEX 25.6 -0.4
34. Latvia LAT 23.0 -10.0
35. Senegal SEN 20.8 -0.2
36. Bosnia and Herzegovina BIH 20.0 0.0
37. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 18.1 0.1
38. Virgin Islands ISV 16.8 -0.2
39. Ukraine UKR 14.0 0.0
40. Chinese Taipei TPE 13.5 -0.5
41. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia KSA 12.3 0.3
42. Mali MLI 12.0 5.0
43. Tunisia TUN 11.0 0.0
44. Syria SYR 10.8 -0.2
45. Kuwait KUW 9.9 -0.1
45. Uzbekistan UZB 9.9 -0.1
47. India IND 8.7 -0.3
48. Morocco MAR 8.6 -0.4
49. Cote d'Ivoire CIV 7.8 -0.2
50. Central African Republic CAF 7.6 -0.4
51. Hong Kong HKG 7.2 0.2
51. Cuba CUB 7.2 0.2
53. Malaysia MAS 7.0 0.0
53. Czech Republic CZE 7.0 0.0
53. Mozambique MOZ 7.0 0.0
56. Kazakhstan KAZ 6.3 0.3
56. Jordan JOR 6.3 0.3
58. South Africa RSA 6.2 0.2
59. F.Y.R. of Macedonia MKD 6.0 0.0
59. Bulgaria BUL 6.0 0.0
61. United Arab Emirates UAE 5.4 0.4
62. Estonia EST 5.0 0.0
62. Hungary HUN 5.0 0.0
64. Guam GUM 4.0 0.0
65. Philippines PHI 3.6 -0.4
66. Thailand THA 3.3 0.3
67. Sweden SWE 3.0 0.0
68. Bahrain BRN 2.1 0.1
69. Cape Verde CPV 2.0 0.0
69. Gabon GAB 2.0 0.0
71. Singapore SIN 1.5 -0.5
71. Indonesia INA 1.5 -0.5
73. Madagascar MAD 1.4 0.4

karim

07-23-2007, 09:54 PM

wahooo lebanon improved 1 spot and we passed our rivals Israel(not basketball rivals :p)hope they dont declare war cuz of this , they always find an excuse hope this isnt good enough...........

Sasha

07-23-2007, 11:35 PM

islander

07-24-2007, 01:13 AM

Mr.100%

07-24-2007, 03:59 AM

wahooo lebanon improved 1 spot and we passed our rivals Israel(not basketball rivals :p)hope they dont declare war cuz of this , they always find an excuse hope this isnt good enough...........

hahaha! ... anyways i noticed even though Spain won the WBC they fell down by 39 points, how come??? ... i think fiba's ranking system is flawed

donmar

07-24-2007, 06:17 AM

hahaha! ... anyways i noticed even though Spain won the WBC they fell down by 39 points, how come??? ... i think fiba's ranking system is flawed

-39 for winning the FIBA World Championship! :D:D:D

alermac

07-24-2007, 06:23 AM

hahaha! ... anyways i noticed even though Spain won the WBC they fell down by 39 points, how come??? ... i think fiba's ranking system is flawed
I think this is because they had a bad U19 World Cup, and they lost the points from the 1999 U19 tournament Spain won.

sickcurtain_16

07-24-2007, 08:18 AM

^^But by just being on a FIBA held competition, you will gain minimum points from that right?

TechSupport

07-24-2007, 09:11 AM

hahaha! ... anyways i noticed even though Spain won the WBC they fell down by 39 points, how come??? ... i think fiba's ranking system is flawed
yep, it is flawed. 65 is beating the hell out of 23, 25, 27 and etc. :p

meloy

07-24-2007, 03:12 PM

Team Philippines could be at the top 20 way ahead of lebanon and the rest of asia including QATAR, KOrea, and Japan. If SBP will continue to send top quality players only.... Considering the past games against other asian teams, JOnes cup and Manila Invitationals it is very evident that TP is competitive enough to be one at the upper ranking as compared to "unrealistic 65th place".

ROLZ9

07-24-2007, 03:19 PM

wahooo lebanon improved 1 spot and we passed our rivals Israel(not basketball rivals :p)hope they dont declare war cuz of this , they always find an excuse hope this isnt good enough...........

At least Israel has the brain and the balls to fight head on ;) They may not be that good in terms of basketball but they are damn good in a lot of things. Peace :cool:

ROLZ9

07-24-2007, 03:22 PM

hahaha! ... anyways i noticed even though Spain won the WBC they fell down by 39 points, how come??? ... i think fiba's ranking system is flawed

I think your right. Don't worry those rankings no longer counts in the Japan tournament. May the best team prevail....

macky

07-24-2007, 04:22 PM

the rankings does'nt really represent the strenght of a team.

alermac

07-24-2007, 05:33 PM

^^But by just being on a FIBA held competition, you will gain minimum points from that right?
Yes. Spain gained points for this year's WC, but lost its points for 1999's U19 WC, because the rank only counts results from last 8 years. It's like the tennis ranking, which counts results from the last 52 weeks and deletes points from one-year-old tournaments. So Spain gained points from this year's U19 8th place, but lost its 1999 1st place. So they lost points.

alermac

07-24-2007, 05:41 PM

the rankings does'nt really represent the strenght of a team.
It represents the strength of a team for the last 8 years, not now. You can't really measure that statistically.

Sarevok

07-24-2007, 09:32 PM

Why is there so many people with Philippines flag? :)

sickcurtain_16

07-25-2007, 05:05 AM

Yes. Spain gained points for this year's WC, but lost its points for 1999's U19 WC, because the rank only counts results from last 8 years. It's like the tennis ranking, which counts results from the last 52 weeks and deletes points from one-year-old tournaments. So Spain gained points from this year's U19 8th place, but lost its 1999 1st place. So they lost points.

Oh i see. Thanks for that alermac. :-)

SEV133

07-25-2007, 09:34 AM

I didn´t know this.Interesting....well, anyway, spain has very good playersand playing nba and others (Navarro,Rudy Fernandez...)ready to go

MoDakhil

08-17-2007, 05:22 PM

Like all ranking systems there is always a flaw.

Does anyone really believe that the US should be #1? I can't remember them winning anything in the last 8 years except for the bronze.

stuart

08-19-2007, 01:21 AM

Ranking Men after FIBA Asia Championship for Men (2007) link (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html)

HIGHLANDER

08-19-2007, 07:43 AM

Joško Poljak Fan

08-19-2007, 08:14 AM

Can anyone give an insight on how these rankings work?
I assume it has something to do with the last 20 years or so, similar to the football.
To be honest, no offense Stuart but i don't believe the US should be No -1..:cool:
how it works (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html)

achinet

08-20-2007, 06:34 PM

If the inferior categories counted. Serbians would be broken the ranking.;)

avishayil

08-29-2007, 01:18 AM

israel is 24th, nice :)

Khalid80

07-03-2008, 01:16 PM

Do you guys know how the point system works for the FIBA World Rankings?

I mean some teams from Africa, Asia, and Oceania are ranked much higher than the European Teams.

kestas

07-03-2008, 01:44 PM

Do you guys know how the point system works for the FIBA World Rankings?

I mean some teams from Africa, Asia, and Oceania are ranked much higher than the European Teams.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html

Khalid80

07-03-2008, 02:02 PM

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html

Thax Kestas!

Men's rankings (top 20) Rank Team Pts.

1 USA 832.2
2 Argentina 726
3 Spain 580
4 Serbia 534
5 Lithuania 486
6 Greece 429
7 Italy 378
8 France 369
9 Australia 284
9 Germany 284
11 China 252.7
12 Puerto Rico 232.6
13 New Zealand 227
14 Angola 206
15 Turkey 203
16 Russia 186
17 Canada 184.2
18 Brazil 173.6
19 Slovenia 124
20 Croatia 100

I remember that the list above was the latest rankings as of 2007.
If you look at it now it doesn't seem reasonable. I mean Russia are the current European Champions and they are ranked as 16th.

Mindozas

07-03-2008, 02:28 PM

Thax Kestas!

Men's rankings (top 20) Rank Team Pts.

1 USA 832.2
2 Argentina 726
3 Spain 580
4 Serbia 534
5 Lithuania 486
6 Greece 429
7 Italy 378
8 France 369
9 Australia 284
9 Germany 284
11 China 252.7
12 Puerto Rico 232.6
13 New Zealand 227
14 Angola 206
15 Turkey 203
16 Russia 186
17 Canada 184.2
18 Brazil 173.6
19 Slovenia 124
20 Croatia 100

I remember that the list above was the latest rankings as of 2007.
If you look at it now it doesn't seem reasonable. I mean Russia are the current European Champions and they are ranked as 16th.

Yes, it's not fair that Russia is just 16th, imo now they deserve to be atleast in Top10, but according to this ranking system, it's just the way it should be. Russia performed quite poor during last decade, so they deserved this spot. Still, imho it's really hard or maybe even impossible to create a ranking, which would show excact strengh and rank of all NT in the world. But if we want ranking to be more fair, FIBA should do the same thing as FIFA did - to make a changes in their calculation system. F.e. to calculate competitions of last 10 years, it's just too long cycle. Imo ~5 years period would be enough and we would have ranking, which'd be close enough to the situation that we have now in bball world

PRSURF

07-03-2008, 02:34 PM

Puerto Rico is better than China.:rolleyes: :cool:

Victorious

07-04-2008, 07:00 AM

Puerto Rico is better than China.:rolleyes: :cool:

So is Turkey, Russia, Brazil, Slovenia and Croatia. In fact, I think most of these countries are better than Puerto Rico as well.

MAstER

07-04-2008, 07:38 AM

We are in the 6th place. Very good.

Khalid80

07-04-2008, 08:15 AM

Yes, it's not fair that Russia is just 16th, imo now they deserve to be atleast in Top10, but according to this ranking system, it's just the way it should be. Russia performed quite poor during last decade, so they deserved this spot. Still, imho it's really hard or maybe even impossible to create a ranking, which would show excact strengh and rank of all NT in the world. But if we want ranking to be more fair, FIBA should do the same thing as FIFA did - to make a changes in their calculation system. F.e. to calculate competitions of last 10 years, it's just too long cycle. Imo ~5 years period would be enough and we would have ranking, which'd be close enough to the situation that we have now in bball world

Yeah ur right.
I mean Serbia didn't qualify to the last World Championships but they were invited to play because of their great basketball history.
I also personally believe that the current New Zealand National Team is weaker than all the other teams mentioned in the Top 20.

Khalid80

07-04-2008, 08:21 AM

We are in the 6th place. Very good.

When Greece qualified to the World Championships Final game in 2006 after defeating the last Dream Team this indicated that Greece is a basketball power to be reckoned with. At the same time this year Greece hasn't qualified to the Olympics yet and this shows how tough and competitive the last European Championshiops were.

PRSURF

07-05-2008, 12:02 AM

So is Turkey, Russia, Brazil, Slovenia and Croatia. In fact, I think most of these countries are better than Puerto Rico as well.
You thin that??????, hahaha we beat Brasil twice with his NBA players, and one game by 22 ponits, pleaseeee..... Russia could be better than us, but Turkey, Slovenia and Croatia nop.:rolleyes: ;)

pablonis

07-05-2008, 03:06 AM

You thin that??????, hahaha we beat Brasil twice with his NBA players, and one game by 22 ponits, pleaseeee.....Russia could be better than us, but Turkey, Slovenia and Croatia nop

Wunderbar!

Vic' is right though, all 4 of them are better.
And having NBA players doesnt make one anyhow special.

...At the same time this year Greece hasn't qualified to the Olympics yet and this shows how tough and competitive the last European Championshiops were.

Exactly. Generaly i think that Fiba ranking is a good way of showing the continuity of the level of basketball in a certain country, the period of time beeing two olympic cycles is perfectly reasonable too. Now the only major flaw i see is the huge undervaluation of Eurobasket. Euro, just as in football, is a much tougher competition than Worlds, yet, the point ratio received is 1:5 which is an absolute ludicrous. Even Olympics do not deserve to be 1:5

PRSURF

07-05-2008, 01:26 PM

Wunderbar!

Vic' is right though, all 4 of them are better.
And having NBA players doesnt make one anyhow special.
Ok pablonis.

Turkish Airlines Euroleague

07-05-2008, 01:44 PM

Wtf ? Serbia in no.4 ? Are these accurate numbers ? :confused:

Z.A.L.I.A.

07-05-2008, 01:54 PM

Wtf ? Serbia in no.4 ? Are these accurate numbers ? :confused:

Is it bad or good ?? They are quite high due to the fact that their youth teams are extremely strong.

rocketstar47

07-16-2008, 06:01 AM

where is RP

Khalid80

07-16-2008, 07:32 AM

where is RP

Ur RP Team is ranked way down in 63rd place. I think the main reason is cuz the Philippines NT have not been playing in any international competitions in a long time and if they do they are not sending PBL players.

Ranking Men after EuroBasket (2007)
Rank Country IOC Current Points +/- Points* +/- Rank*

1. USA USA 832.2
2. Argentina ARG 726.0
3. Spain ESP 580.0
4. Serbia SRB 534.0
5. Lithuania LTU 486.0
6. Greece GRE 429.0
7. Italy ITA 378.0
8. France FRA 369.0
9. Germany GER 284.0
9. Australia AUS 284.0
11. China CHN 252.7
12. Puerto Rico PUR 232.6
13. New Zealand NZL 227.0
14. Angola ANG 206.0
15. Turkey TUR 203.0
16. Russia RUS 186.0
17. Canada CAN 184.2
18. Brazil BRA 173.6
19. Slovenia SLO 124.0
20. Croatia CRO 100.0
21. Venezuela VEN 95.2
22. Nigeria NGR 93.6
23. Lebanon LIB 70.5
24. Israel ISR 60.0
25. Korea KOR 56.5
26. Qatar QAT 39.8
27. Uruguay URU 36.0
28. Mexico MEX 35.2
29. Panama PAN 34.6
30. Dominican Republic DOM 34.2
31. Algeria ALG 33.4
32. Japan JPN 33.3
33. Islamic Republic of Iran IRI 33.1
34. Latvia LAT 29.0
35. Egypt EGY 25.0
36. Virgin Islands ISV 24.0
37. Senegal SEN 20.4
38. Bosnia and Herzegovina BIH 16.0
39. Ukraine UKR 14.0
40. Chinese Taipei TPE 12.9
41. Kazakhstan KAZ 10.8
41. Tunisia TUN 10.8
43. Jordan JOR 10.5
44. Portugal POR 10.0
44. Central African Republic CAF 10.0
46. India IND 9.9
46. Syria SYR 9.9
48. Mali MLI 9.6
49. Morocco MAR 9.4
50. Cameroon CMR 8.0
51. Cote d'Ivoire CIV 7.8
52. Kuwait KUW 7.5
53. Hong Kong HKG 7.2
54. Uzbekistan UZB 6.9
55. Mozambique MOZ 6.2
56. Bulgaria BUL 6.0
56. Poland POL 6.0
56. Czech Republic CZE 6.0
56. Cape Verde CPV 6.0
56. South Africa RSA 6.0
61. Malaysia MAS 5.8
62. Estonia EST 5.0
63. Philippines PHI 4.2
64. United Arab Emirates UAE 3.6
64. Indonesia INA 3.6
66. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia KSA 3.3
67. Sweden SWE 3.0
68. Gabon GAB 2.0
69. Thailand THA 1.8
70. Singapore SIN 1.5
71. Madagascar MAD 1.4
71. Rwanda RWA 1.4
73. Dem.Rep. of Congo COD 0.8

dreamwalker

07-16-2008, 07:38 AM

where is RP

The Philippines is ranked No. 63 at least in the top 100.:D ;)

FIBA Ranking for Asian Countries:

11 - China
23 - Lebanon
25 - South Korea
26 - Qatar
32 - Japan
40 -Chinese - Taipei
46 - India/Syria
52 - Kuwait
53 - Hongkong
61 - Malaysia
63 - Philippines
64 - Indonesia

It's better to be underrated than overrated just look at the USA ranking they're still number 1 but got beaten up most of the time but at the Beijing olypic games they want redemption or will it be another disappointment/frustration ?

Vasileios Spanoulis

07-16-2008, 02:31 PM

The rankings are ridiculous. The youth teams should be ranked separately. Also 10 years time period is just stupid. The cycle of games is 4 years, so the ranking period should also be 4 years. If they would just fix both of those problems the rankings would be accurate.

And as suggested it would be a very good idea to make the European Championship worth more points because it's not fair to European teams anymore.

bobo81

07-16-2008, 02:38 PM

These rankings are as much of a joke as the FIFA ones. Totally disregard em.

Fearless

07-16-2008, 03:00 PM

Ok pablonis.

well croatia just beat you by double digits playing without most of its stars, and slovenia will kick you out in the quarterfinals.. that will be a major proof of their superiority.. :D

KWSN-Men

07-16-2008, 03:14 PM

well croatia just beat you by double digits playing without most of its stars, and slovenia will kick you out in the quarterfinals.. that will be a major proof of their superiority.. :D

Actually, Slovenia will have to play a mature game like Croatia played today. If they do, it will be an easy win. If their guards start playing crazy, I'm not so sure about the outcome.

Slovenia is still the favourite in my mind though.

As I was saying many times, 3 sports for Europe is just a joke...

Lietuvis

07-16-2008, 06:47 PM

Do you guys know how the point system works for the FIBA World Rankings?

I mean some teams from Africa, Asia, and Oceania are ranked much higher than the European Teams.

The reason that the Oceanic teams are so high up (only NZ and Australia in this division!!) is that all they need to do to qualify to major tournaments is beat each other in which they get points for this ranking (they then also have a second chance as NZ has now) then the winner plays in an international tournament and gets larger points for 8th place or whatever..

Where european teams go through a gruelling qualification and if the fail they miss out in playing in these international tournaments hence not get the points and appear lower in these rankings.

What stinks is that Italy and France will not be in the Olympics but are far better than these Oceanic teams.

PRSURF

07-16-2008, 09:31 PM

well croatia just beat you by double digits playing without most of its stars, and slovenia will kick you out in the quarterfinals.. that will be a major proof of their superiority.. :DAre you kidding me?, thats is not a good proof to say thay are superiority to us, do you see all the game, common for Puerto Rico is one of the worst game period.
Puerto Rico was winning by 20 and more, we lose the control of the game and the coach is such a moron.

LuDux

08-22-2008, 05:01 PM

Dtown

08-22-2008, 05:13 PM

FIBA Ranking before finals:

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Final winner get 50 points. 3rd place winner gets 75 points

wait that doesn't make sense, why would the final winner get fewer points than the first place winner?

LuDux

08-22-2008, 05:23 PM

wait that doesn't make sense, why would the final winner get fewer points than the first place winner?

Because 1st place winner gets 50 more points than 2nd place and 3rd place winner gets 75 points more than 4th place

Dtown

08-22-2008, 05:33 PM

Because 1st place winner gets 50 more points than 2nd place and 3rd place winner gets 75 points more than 4th place Well what do 2nd place and 4th place earn? Without those numbers there's no context.

LuDux

08-22-2008, 05:45 PM

Well what do 2nd place and 4th place earn? Without those numbers there's no context.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html

LuDux

08-22-2008, 06:07 PM

where did you find those rankings?

In rankings.xls:)

Migelitas

08-22-2008, 06:13 PM

Well what do 2nd place and 4th place earn? Without those numbers there's no context.

1 50x5=250
2 40x5=200
3 30x5=150
4 15x5=75
5 14x5=70
6 13x5=65
7 12x5=60
8 11x5=55
9 10x5=50
10 9x5=45
11 8x5=40
12 7x5=35
13 6x5=30
14 5x5=25
15 4x5=20
16 3x5=15

Like I understood, it's going to be like this:

if USA will win, they will lose 250 for Sydney and will get 250 for Beijing
France will loose 200
Lithuania must win bronze, than they will protect hers 150. If they will loose, they will loose 75pts(minus 150 for Sydney and plus 75 for Beijing)
Australia - are loosing 75 for Sydney and getting 60
Italy - are loosing 70
Yugoslavia - 65
Canada - 60
Russia will loose 55 and get 50
Spain will lose 50 and get 250 or 200 (more likely)
China minus 45 plus 55
New Zealand lost 40
Angola - lost 35 and got 35
Argentina will get 150 or 75
Germany will get 45
Iran will get 40

Lietuvis

08-22-2008, 08:40 PM

FIBA Ranking before finals:

.2...1..ARG..801,0
.1...2..USA..782,2
.3...3..SPA..730,0
.6...4..GRE..499,0
.4...5..SER..469,0
.5...6..LTU..412,0
.9...7..GER..329,0
.7...8..ITA..308,0
10...9..AUS..269,0
11..10..CHI..262,7
12..11..PUR..232,6
14..12..ANG..206,0
15..13..TUR..203,0
13..14..NEZ..187,0
16..15..RUS..181,0
18..16..BRA..173,6
.8..17..FRA..169,0
20..18..CRO..165,0
17..19..CAN..124,2
19..20..SLO..124,0

Final winner get 50 points. 3rd place winner gets 75 points

Where did you get this list from it looks before Europe championships?

This is current from FIBA website.

1. USA 832 - 832 - 1 (will win Final)
2. ARG 726 - 801 - 2 (if lose to LTU otherwise will be #1)
3. ESP 580 - 730 - 3
4. SRB 534 - 469 - 6
5. LTU 486 - 486 - 5
6. GRE 429 - 499 - 4
7. ITA 378 - 308 - 8
8. FRA 369 - 169 - ??
9. GER 284 - 329 - 7
9. AUS 284 - 269 - 9
11.CHN 252 - 262 - 10

LuDux

08-22-2008, 09:03 PM

Where did you get this list from it looks before Europe championships?

My list is without points from 2000 and with points already secured this year

Lietuvis

08-23-2008, 12:02 AM

My list is without points from 2000 and with points already secured this year

OK understood, assuming LTU loses v ARG and US beats ESP.

LuDux

08-24-2008, 09:19 AM

FIBA Ranking after Olympic Games: (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html)

.2...1..ARG..876,0
.1...2..USA..832,2
.3...3..SPA..730,0
.6...4..GRE..499,0
.4...5..SER..469,0
.5...6..LTU..411,0
.9...7..GER..329,0
.7...8..ITA..308,0
10...9..AUS..269,0
11..10..CHI..262,7
12..11..PUR..232,6
14..12..ANG..206,0
15..13..TUR..203,0
13..14..NEZ..187,0
16..15..RUS..181,0
18..16..BRA..173,6
.8..17..FRA..169,0
20..18..CRO..165,0
17..19..CAN..124,2
19..20..SLO..124,0

Panco

08-24-2008, 09:23 AM

I still don't get it. How come Greece, which got dumped in 1/4 finals gets 70+, while semifinalist gets -75 ?

LuDux

08-24-2008, 09:30 AM

I still don't get it. How come Greece, which got dumped in 1/4 finals gets 70+, while semifinalist gets -75 ?
Greece improved from DNP in 2000 to 5th place, while Lithuania slipped from 3rd place

Rezatron

08-24-2008, 09:50 AM

carlosGC

08-24-2008, 09:53 AM

AiwiTo

08-24-2008, 09:54 AM

serbia are 2001 and 2002 champions, so they should fall much after next two years :D

lithuania lost just one place, but even 75 points.. strange point counting system..

Fedfan

08-24-2008, 09:54 AM

.......... and with this we see why the rankings are broke and meaningless.

uh??:confused: :confused:

Rezatron

08-24-2008, 09:55 AM

YESS!!! We are number 1. USA dethroned! :cool: :D :D :D

You deserve it! :confused:

(I know this is over an 8 year cycle...)

Ilya

08-24-2008, 10:01 AM

This is a joke, guys, I don't want 4th place, Lithuania should be ahead of us.

suka

08-24-2008, 10:05 AM

Very dumb rankings... Serbia no there to be seen but still higher than most of the teams. NICE :rolleyes:

Fedfan

08-24-2008, 10:18 AM

The rankings don't reflect the power of the current teams,but of their power and perfomance during the last years.Very simple really.

suka

08-24-2008, 10:22 AM

The rankings don't reflect the power of the current teams,but of their power and perfomance during the last years.Very simple really.
Yeah sure. During the last years are you kiddin' me? Serbia i don't know how much years didin't participate in any big event but they still 5th? How? Or it's because of the good memories from the past, they can get more points by not playing anywhere? lol

Fedfan

08-24-2008, 10:29 AM

Yeah sure. During the last years are you kiddin' me? Serbia i don't know how much years didin't participate in any big event but they still 5th? How? Or it's because of the good memories from the past, they can get more points by not playing anywhere? lol

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html

suka

08-24-2008, 10:34 AM

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html
And what did you want to say with that? Any arguments why serbia can be higher than lithuania? One link dosen't explain anything. It's hilarious how this "ranking" works... You say we deserve to be near germany? they are 7, but haven't done ANYTHING good in that 2 olympics game cycle nothing just loses. So how they are 7?. Don't just drop link and think you justified your proposition

Fedfan

08-24-2008, 10:39 AM

And what did you want to say with that? Any arguments why serbia can be higher than lithuania? One link dosen't explain anything. It's hilarious how this "ranking" works... You say we deserve to be near germany? they are 7, but haven't done ANYTHING good in that 2 olympics game cycle nothing just loses. So how they are 7?. Don't just drop link and think you justified your proposition

oh god I don't have time for this.:rolleyes: Listen if you're so interested in this,go find results in the Fiba counted competitions (of the link) for Serbia and of Lithuania.See the points.The formula is predetermined and so are the points.Lithuania is not cheated. Don't expect everything to be handed to you,go search for your own if you believe you're cheated.Goodbye.

suka

08-24-2008, 10:42 AM

oh god I don't have time for this.:rolleyes: Listen if you're so interested in this,go find results in the Fiba counted competitions (of the link) for Serbia and of Lithuania.See the points.The formula is predetermined and so are the points.Lithuania is not cheated. Don't expect everything to be handed to you,go search for your own if you believe you're cheated.Goodbye.
You give link. But don't have anything to back up your claims. Annoying as hell i would say. Better don't say anything if you can't back it up. Germany got +46 always lossing, we got -75 always being in top 4-5. LOL

Fedfan

08-24-2008, 10:45 AM

You give link. But don't have anything to back up your claims. Annoying as hell i would say. Better don't say anything if you can't back it up. Germany got +46 always lossing, we got -75 always being in top 4-5. LOL

lol YOU are the one who come here and whines.If you are to whine,you must prove how the system and the points are unfair to you!I don't have to do anything to prove my point.:rolleyes:

Germany got +46 because they did 46 points better than their perfomance that was erased.Lithuania got -75 because it did 75 points worse than their perfomance that was erased.It's very simple.(apparently not to you.:cool: )

I'm done with this.If someone has the time and the patience to explain to this bright poster slowly,step by step how things work with rankings they're welcome.

LuDux

08-24-2008, 10:48 AM

You give link. But don't have anything to back up your claims. Annoying as hell i would say. Better don't say anything if you can't back it up. Germany got +46 always lossing, we got -75 always being in top 4-5. LOL

Serbia 1st places in 2001 and 2002 = 300 points
Lithuania 4th places in 2004 and 2008 = 150 points
Gremany 4th place in 2002 = 150 points

suka

08-24-2008, 10:50 AM

lol YOU are the one who come here and whines.If you are to whine,you must prove how the system and the points are unfair to you!I don't have to do anything to prove my point.:rolleyes:

Germany got +46 because they did 46 points better than their perfomance that was erased.Lithuania got -75 because it did 75 points worse than their perfomance that was erased.It's very simple.(apparently not to you.:cool: )
Lol as i said hilarious "rating" system. Nothing more ;) So it's very likely by another ~4years germany will be even higher than lithuania, just being "better than their perfomance that was erased" They do not need to beat any big teams like spain/argentina/usa and they still can advance in +++++. NICE. :cool:

suka

08-24-2008, 10:52 AM

Serbia 1st places in 2001 and 2002 = 300 points
Lithuania 4th places in 2004 and 2008 = 150 points
Gremany 4th place in 2002 = 150 points
4th place in that ? Olympics? WC, EC, Kindergarten? We was EC 2003 winner, and we get that 5pts for it? :D

LuDux

08-24-2008, 10:55 AM

4th place in that ? Olympics? WC, EC, Kindergarten? We was EC 2003 winner, and we get that 5pts for it? :D

You don't know what happened in 2004?

We get 50pts for it, just like Serbia in 2001. It's all in the link

Dtown

08-24-2008, 05:22 PM

kestas

08-24-2008, 06:19 PM

This is a joke, guys, I don't want 4th place, Lithuania should be ahead of us.

I think the rankings are actually pretty good. right now we are probably better than Greece (no comment on the abilities of the current Argentina team against Spain or US), but our constant failure to produce anything respectable in the World Championships is a seriously annoying. I hope we overcome this, although I suspect next year half of our leaders will decide to have a "rest". again :rolleyes:
on the other hand, a more in depth rating that'd consider last 4 years, include more junior competitions as well as gave less weight to Olympics and Worlds (5 times the points of Eurobasket atm) would probably be better.

kestas

08-24-2008, 06:36 PM

Congrats to Argentina enjoy your two year reign, and no that's not being that arrogant, if the US even gets bronze at the tourney they add +85 and Argentina needs silver to break even.

no sweat for you, imho, because in 2001 Americas championships USA were last (10th) while Argentina won the whole thing (40 points to defend for them and ~32 points to gain for the US). USA can overtake Argentina after that tournament.
on the other hand, U-19 Worlds will be worth more than the tournament of Americas. and in 2001 USA won that it, Argentina were third (this year U-18 in America were won by Argentina with USA in second, but I doubt this team will be able to beat Greece, Lithuania, Spain et. al.). so in that tournament I'd expect both teams to lose some points..

Dtown

08-24-2008, 07:10 PM

no sweat for you, imho, because in 2001 Americas championships USA were last (10th) while Argentina won the whole thing (40 points to defend for them and ~32 points to gain for the US). USA can overtake Argentina after that tournament.

Actually if Wikipedia's correct (which is iffy) the US didn't even compete in the 2001 americas. Which makes sense since they not only won the gold in 2000 they were the host country in 2002.

alermac

08-24-2008, 07:22 PM

Actually if Wikipedia's correct (which is iffy) the US didn't even compete in the 2001 americas. Which makes sense since they not only won the gold in 2000 they were the host country in 2002.
USA did compete in 2001. They sent a very young team that lost every game. Roster and results here (http://www.latinbasket.com/events/tam/tam01.asp).

The funny thing is, the very own USABasketball site (http://www.usabasketball.com/inside.php?page=history_content&id=5) says "2001: did not participate":rolleyes:

Dtown

08-24-2008, 07:29 PM

That'll teach me to trust wikipedia.

I actually wouldn't expect much different next year, though I hope the US sends the Select Team to the Americas (ie. the team that trained with the Redeem Team.) If even half of this team showed up I'd be shocked.

JGX

08-24-2008, 10:42 PM

USA did compete in 2001. They sent a very young team that lost every game. Roster and results here (http://www.latinbasket.com/events/tam/tam01.asp).

The funny thing is, the very own USABasketball site (http://www.usabasketball.com/inside.php?page=history_content&id=5) says "2001: did not participate":rolleyes:

There was a US team, but it was not organized by USA Basketball. They allowed the Junior College Athletic Association to organize a team instead. So I don't think USA Basketball counts it as an "official" team.

The archive of their website does not list it as one of their 2001 teams: http://web.archive.org/web/20020808151627/www.usabasketball.com/men/2001-men-teams.html

Crozet

08-25-2008, 08:09 AM

Migelitas

08-25-2008, 09:25 AM

Australia should be ranked higher than Lithuania! They beated them with some 30 points difference! :cool:

...and of course China should be ranked higher than Germany :D

alermac

08-25-2008, 05:59 PM

There was a US team, but it was not organized by USA Basketball. They allowed the Junior College Athletic Association to organize a team instead. So I don't think USA Basketball counts it as an "official" team.

The archive of their website does not list it as one of their 2001 teams: http://web.archive.org/web/20020808151627/www.usabasketball.com/men/2001-men-teams.html
Still, it was a team that represented USA Basketball.

Genjuro

08-25-2008, 06:12 PM

I think the rankings are actually pretty good. right now we are probably better than Greece (no comment on the abilities of the current Argentina team against Spain or US), but our constant failure to produce anything respectable in the World Championships is a seriously annoying. I hope we overcome this, although I suspect next year half of our leaders will decide to have a "rest". again :rolleyes:
on the other hand, a more in depth rating that'd consider last 4 years, include more junior competitions as well as gave less weight to Olympics and Worlds (5 times the points of Eurobasket atm) would probably be better.
I think that weight on the Olympics and Worlds is important, because it's the appropriate stage to compare NTs from different continents. Besides, there's no comparable tournament to Eurobasket in America, for example, as they see the Tournament of the Americas more like a qualifyer than like anything else.

I think the ranking is nice. I don't know why so much critizism by some people on such a little issue. It's just a ranking and nobody will remember it, only the titles.

no sweat for you, imho, because in 2001 Americas championships USA were last (10th) while Argentina won the whole thing (40 points to defend for them and ~32 points to gain for the US). USA can overtake Argentina after that tournament.
on the other hand, U-19 Worlds will be worth more than the tournament of Americas. and in 2001 USA won that it, Argentina were third (this year U-18 in America were won by Argentina with USA in second, but I doubt this team will be able to beat Greece, Lithuania, Spain et. al.). so in that tournament I'd expect both teams to lose some points..
Greece is very strong, but any other team is beatable, IMO.

Saskibaloia

08-26-2008, 12:21 AM

1. Argentina ARG 876.0 150.0
2. USA USA 832.2 0.0
3. Spain ESP 730.0 150.0
4. Greece GRE 499.0 70.0
5. Serbia SRB 469.0 -65.0
6. Lithuania LTU 411.0 -75.0
7. Germany GER 329.0 45.0
8. Italy ITA 308.0 -70.0
9. Australia AUS 269.0 -15.0
10. China CHN 262.7 10.0
11. Puerto Rico PUR 232.6 0.0
12. Angola ANG 206.0 0.0
13. Turkey TUR 203.0 0.0
14. New Zealand NZL 187.0 -40.0
15. Russia RUS 181.0 -5.0
16. Brazil BRA 173.6 0.0
17. France FRA 169.0 -200.0
18. Croatia CRO 165.0 65.0
19. Canada CAN 124.2 -60.0
20. Slovenia SLO 124.0 0.0
21. Venezuela VEN 95.2 0.0
22. Nigeria NGR 93.6 0.0
23. Iran IRI 73.1 40.0
24. Lebanon LIB 70.5 0.0
25. Israel ISR 60.0 0.0
26. Korea KOR 56.5 0.0
27. Qatar QAT 39.8 0.0
28. Uruguay URU 36.0 0.0
29. Mexico MEX 35.2 0.0
30. Panama PAN 34.6 0.0
31. Dominican Republic DOM 34.2 0.0
32. Algeria ALG 33.4 0.0
33. Japan JPN 33.3 0.0
34. Latvia LAT 29.0 0.0
35. Egypt EGY 25.0 0.0
36. Virgin Islands ISV 24.0 0.0
37. Senegal SEN 20.4 0.0
38. Bosnia and Herzegovina BIH 16.0 0.0
39. Ukraine UKR 14.0 0.0
40. Chinese Taipei TPE 12.9 0.0
41. Kazakhstan KAZ 10.8 0.0
42. Jordan JOR 10.5 0.0
43. Tunisia TUN 10.4 -0.4
44. Portugal POR 10.0 0.0
44. Central African Republic CAF 10.0 0.0
46. India IND 9.9 0.0
46. Syria SYR 9.9 0.0
48. Mali MLI 9.6 0.0
49. Morocco MAR 9.2 -0.2
50. Cameroon CMR 8.0 0.0
51. Cote d'Ivoire CIV 7.8 0.0
52. Kuwait KUW 7.5 0.0
53. Hong Kong HKG 7.2 0.0
54. Uzbekistan UZB 6.9 0.0
55. Mozambique MOZ 6.2 0.0
56. Poland POL 6.0 0.0
56. Cape Verde CPV 6.0 0.0
56. Bulgaria BUL 6.0 0.0
56. Czech Republic CZE 6.0 0.0
56. South Africa RSA 6.0 0.0
61. Malaysia MAS 5.8 0.0
62. Estonia EST 5.0 0.0
63. Philippines PHI 4.2 0.0
64. United Arab Emirates UAE 3.6 0.0
64. Indonesia INA 3.6 0.0
66. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia KSA 3.3 0.0
67. Sweden SWE 3.0 0.0
68. Gabon GAB 2.0 0.0
69. Thailand THA 1.8 0.0
70. Singapore SIN 1.5 0.0
71. Madagascar MAD 1.4 0.0
71. Rwanda RWA 1.4 0.0
73. Dem.Rep. of Congo COD 0.8 0.0
74. Liberia LBR 0.6

usausa

08-26-2008, 12:36 AM

Wait, US won gold and ARG 3rd. US gold replaces the 2000. US has 1 and 3 in Olymp., as well as Arg. US has 3 and 6 in WC, ARG 4 and 2, US 1 gold and 5th in U21 to ARG bronze and 6th (only medals), US has 5 and 2 in U19 and ARG 10 AND 6. How does ARG finish 1?

Congrats to ARG though on bein number 1. That must be a first for anyone other than US on top. Historic day indeed

Saskibaloia

08-26-2008, 12:50 AM

With all respect to the "Redeem Team" its great to see Argentina or anyone besides the USA at the top to demonstrate to the non basketball fans that our sport is a global sport and not a sport only dominated by one nation.
Of course, we all know that the number one country in the sport is the USA however, I'm very confident that in 2012 London Games, even if the USA will send a squad that is 100% ready the rest of the national teams will be ready and you will hardly see any USA blow outs. I believe the largets margin you will see the USA win by would be 20-25 points because by then I'm sure that the rest of the world would have uplifted their game.

Dtown

08-26-2008, 02:35 AM

The US will almost certainly retake the top spot in the next two tournaments. As to just keep from losing points Argentina needs a gold in the Americas (not too hard) and at least a Silver in the world championships. The United States just needs to finish higher than 10th at the Americas (as long as they send an organized team this should happen) and better than 6th at the world championships to gain points.

Saskibaloia

08-26-2008, 04:02 AM

Dtown

08-26-2008, 04:25 AM

I believe that the USA will not send a team as dedicated as this one and the consequences of them not sending a team as commited, as internationally oriented (in terms of the game), or even having a coach that pushes the right buttons then the repercussions of not winning the gold in the major tournaments will happen. Sure enough they are a lock for the gold in the FIBA Americas but what happens when Argentina and Brazil or even Puerto Rico for that matter decides to send an A-grade team against a B-grade USA then anything can happen. All this is in the future and everyone here will have plenty of opportunity to debate however, let us focus on the fact that Argentina is at the number 1 spot and the Yanks have definitely have to send a quality squad to the 2010 World Championships to maintain their position as "top of the world".

I think the opposite, it's doubtful the US will send much of a team to the Americas tournament as it's never been of much value to them except as a qualifier. That said, in terms of fiba rankings as long as they send somewhat capable players they'll still gain points which is impossible for Argentina (as it was for the US in the olympics).

Meanwhile in 2010, many of the current team has already expressed a desire to be on that team and in 2012 so I wouldn't assume a lack of dedication.

joesmoove059

08-26-2008, 08:30 AM

If Philippines wasn't banned by FIBA 4 years ago, then we would be atleast in the top 40 in the FIBA rankings.:)

mvblair

08-26-2008, 11:36 PM

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Anything that comes out of USA is USA Basketball. What about corn exports?
Now i know some of you arrogant americans will come here and say that USA Basketball is a totally independent entity with its own trademarks and logos, but as a smarter european i will tell you right now any team that comes out of the US is USA basketball. Even if its organized by a different entity with different trademarks and whatnot. That seems pretty disingenuous to me.
If the NBA sent out a team like say, the spurs, to play a team in China, In Europe we will Call it USA Basketball because the arrogant americans need to be put in thier place. So, when the Los Angeles Lakers play against Lietuvos Rytas this year, that's going to be USA Basketball against the national Lithuanian basketball entity?

Now some of you yanks might say that Tony Parker is french. But He is still playing for and American team, presto= USA Basketball What? Are you being serious? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Need i say more? Yes, please.

Dtown

08-26-2008, 11:39 PM

What about corn exports? That seems pretty disingenuous to me. So, when the Los Angeles Lakers play against Lietuvos Rytas this year, that's going to be USA Basketball against the national Lithuanian basketball entity?
What? Are you being serious? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Yes, please.

He's being sarcastic check his post history :p

PRSURF

08-26-2008, 11:50 PM

Puerto Rico in the #11 for now, I think the other team's to come out of the top 10 are Germany and Serbia.:rolleyes:

kestas

08-27-2008, 01:16 PM

Puerto Rico in the #11 for now, I think the other team's to come out of the top 10 are Germany and Serbia.:rolleyes:

Serbia have a dominant U21 generation, their decline was only temporary (and pretty strange too, coz they have plenty of stars, simply they either did not play, or were unmotivated for some reason). Germany's cituation is not so good though..

Alex07

08-27-2008, 03:50 PM

The Philippines is ranked No. 63 at least in the top 100.:D ;)

FIBA Ranking for Asian Countries:

11 - China
23 - Lebanon
25 - South Korea
26 - Qatar
32 - Japan
40 -Chinese - Taipei
46 - India/Syria
52 - Kuwait
53 - Hongkong
61 - Malaysia
63 - Philippines
64 - Indonesia

It's better to be underrated than overrated just look at the USA ranking they're still number 1 but got beaten up most of the time but at the Beijing olypic games they want redemption or will it be another disappointment/frustration ?

hahaha good point..I think we beat most of the Asian teams above our rankings..I dont think Kuwait, Hongkong and India plays as much international games as RP does..correct me if i'm wrong.

mvblair

08-27-2008, 05:39 PM

Serbia have a dominant U21 generation, their decline was only temporary (and pretty strange too, coz they have plenty of stars, simply they either did not play, or were unmotivated for some reason). Germany's cituation is not so good though.. Yes, but nevertheless, they should not be so high in the rankings at this point. I guess we all know that FIBA's ranking system is a little silly. But you're right, Serbia's "decline was only temporary."

hahaha good point..I think we beat most of the Asian teams above our rankings..I dont think Kuwait, Hongkong and India plays as much international games as RP does..correct me if i'm wrong. The Philipine situation for international competition is going to continue to struggle. You guys were really hurt by politics within sports, and I don't think we've seen the full impact of what happened yet. It's an awful situation and it will take time to recover. Everybody knows that the Philipines have a passion for basketball. It's only a matter of time before they're getting "some love."

draskovic

08-27-2008, 11:23 PM

I dont put much weight into FIBA rankings
1. You're looking at 8 years of results
2. You're looking at results from U19 and U21 tournaments

luuij_ss

08-30-2008, 02:34 AM

Puerto Rico is better than China.:rolleyes: :cool:

YEAH!! RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

GIMME a break

PRSURF

08-30-2008, 03:39 AM

YEAH!! RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

GIMME a breakPuerto Rico beat China in the World Championship, so shhhh, go and celebrated your win of qualified to the Tournament of the Americas.;)

rikhardur

08-31-2008, 09:48 PM

1Dream Basketball

02-01-2009, 10:39 PM

I like angola as a dark horse

usausa

04-04-2009, 11:50 PM

when did the first ever fiba rank come out?

Dtown

04-05-2009, 06:48 AM

when did the first ever fiba rank come out?

I....have no idea, that's a good question actually. I would assume probably between the 50s and 90s but that's as much as I could narrow it down. I wish FIBA had an archive of their rankings, would be interesting to look at, at the very least.

mvblair

04-05-2009, 01:01 PM

...I wish FIBA had an archive of their rankings, would be interesting to look at, at the very least.Absolutely! I would love to see that.

LuDux

04-05-2009, 01:32 PM

I am pretty sure that rankings appeared, at least on-line, some time after FIBA redesigned their website (http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.fiba.com/)

Luíz for 3

04-06-2009, 01:25 PM

Why do the USA is not ranked 1st in the FIBA Rankings??? Hypocrisy!! They won the last tournaments they were, the Americas and the Olympics...

rikhardur

04-06-2009, 01:48 PM

Why do the USA is not ranked 1st in the FIBA Rankings??? Hypocrisy!! They won the last tournaments they were, the Americas and the Olympics...
And they lost the previous ones :rolleyes:
The ranking is a maths thing, there can be no hipocrisy whatsoever.

Dtown

04-06-2009, 05:20 PM

Why do the USA is not ranked 1st in the FIBA Rankings??? Hypocrisy!! They won the last tournaments they were, the Americas and the Olympics...

It's because it's done on an 8 year cycle. The wretched 2002 World championships are still counted. Still even if it was a four year cycle, we'd be second. The US would just be behind Spain instead of Argentina.

bestplayer

04-08-2009, 09:48 AM

The Philippines is ranked No. 63 at least in the top 100.:D ;)

FIBA Ranking for Asian Countries:

11 - China
23 - Lebanon
25 - South Korea
26 - Qatar
32 - Japan
40 -Chinese - Taipei
46 - India/Syria
52 - Kuwait
53 - Hongkong
61 - Malaysia
63 - Philippines
64 - Indonesia

It's better to be underrated than overrated just look at the USA ranking they're still number 1 but got beaten up most of the time but at the Beijing olypic games they want redemption or will it be another disappointment/frustration ?

qatar,japan,CT, india, kuwait, hongkong and malaysia are higher than philippines?..i dont think so!..philippines almost defeated asian champion iran in the last fiba-asia. if not for the last minute dubious foul called on the phils,we could have won against iran.

dimsot

04-08-2009, 11:25 AM

the list now is :

Ranking Men after Olympic Games: Tournament Men (2008)
Rank Country IOC Current Points +/- Points* +/- Rank*

1. Argentina ARG 876.0 150.0
2. USA USA 832.2 0.0
3. Spain ESP 730.0 150.0
4. Greece GRE 499.0 70.0
5. Serbia SRB 469.0 -65.0
6. Lithuania LTU 411.0 -75.0
7. Germany GER 329.0 45.0
8. Italy ITA 308.0 -70.0
9. Australia AUS 269.0 -15.0
10. China CHN 262.7 10.0
11. Puerto Rico PUR 232.6 0.0
12. Angola ANG 206.0 0.0
13. Turkey TUR 203.0 0.0
14. New Zealand NZL 187.0 -40.0
15. Russia RUS 181.0 -5.0
16. Brazil BRA 173.6 0.0
17. France FRA 169.0 -200.0
18. Croatia CRO 165.0 65.0
19. Canada CAN 124.2 -60.0
20. Slovenia SLO 124.0 0.0
21. Venezuela VEN 95.2 0.0
22. Nigeria NGR 93.6 0.0
23. Iran IRI 73.1 40.0
24. Lebanon LIB 70.5 0.0
25. Israel ISR 60.0 0.0
26. Korea KOR 56.5 0.0
27. Qatar QAT 39.8 0.0
28. Uruguay URU 36.0 0.0
29. Mexico MEX 35.2 0.0
30. Panama PAN 34.6 0.0
31. Dominican Republic DOM 34.2 0.0
32. Algeria ALG 33.4 0.0
33. Japan JPN 33.3 0.0
34. Latvia LAT 29.0 0.0
35. Egypt EGY 25.0 0.0
36. Virgin Islands ISV 24.0 0.0
37. Senegal SEN 20.4 0.0
38. Bosnia and Herzegovina BIH 16.0 0.0
39. Ukraine UKR 14.0 0.0
40. Chinese Taipei TPE 12.9 0.0
41. Kazakhstan KAZ 10.8 0.0
42. Jordan JOR 10.5 0.0
43. Tunisia TUN 10.4 -0.4
44. Portugal POR 10.0 0.0
44. Central African Republic CAF 10.0 0.0
46. India IND 9.9 0.0
46. Syria SYR 9.9 0.0
48. Mali MLI 9.6 0.0
49. Morocco MAR 9.2 -0.2
50. Cameroon CMR 8.0 0.0
51. Cote d'Ivoire CIV 7.8 0.0
52. Kuwait KUW 7.5 0.0
53. Hong Kong HKG 7.2 0.0
54. Uzbekistan UZB 6.9 0.0
55. Mozambique MOZ 6.2 0.0
56. Poland POL 6.0 0.0
56. Cape Verde CPV 6.0 0.0
56. Bulgaria BUL 6.0 0.0
56. Czech Republic CZE 6.0 0.0
56. South Africa RSA 6.0 0.0
61. Malaysia MAS 5.8 0.0
62. Estonia EST 5.0 0.0
63. Philippines PHI 4.2 0.0
64. United Arab Emirates UAE 3.6 0.0
64. Indonesia INA 3.6 0.0
66. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia KSA 3.3 0.0
67. Sweden SWE 3.0 0.0
68. Gabon GAB 2.0 0.0
69. Thailand THA 1.8 0.0
70. Singapore SIN 1.5 0.0
71. Madagascar MAD 1.4 0.0
71. Rwanda RWA 1.4 0.0
73. Dem.Rep. of Congo COD 0.8 0.0
74. Liberia LBR 0.6

dimsot

04-08-2009, 11:28 AM

:p:p:p:p whr is england

if tavalu islands make a team will beat them lol

PRSURF

04-08-2009, 06:17 PM

Dtown

04-08-2009, 07:33 PM

:p:p:p:p whr is england

if tavalu islands make a team will beat them lol

Like it's been said, the rankings don't measure how good a team is now, just what they've accomplished. Since they never competed in any major tournaments they never got points. Since Great Britain qualified for Eurobasket they'll at least jump into the top 60, possibly top 50.

Charbel Sakr

04-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Like it's been said, the rankings don't measure how good a team is now, just what they've accomplished. Since they never competed in any major tournaments they never got points. Since Great Britain qualified for Eurobasket they'll at least jump into the top 60, possibly top 50.

Qualifying for 5 eurobaskets counts for 1 pt? i think thats what i read on fiba.com some time ago, so how qualifying for 1 eurobasket will put Britain in top 50-60?

Dtown

04-08-2009, 09:09 PM

Qualifying for 5 eurobaskets counts for 1 pt? i think thats what i read on fiba.com some time ago, so how qualifying for 1 eurobasket will put Britain in top 50-60?

Eurobasket is weighted one, meaning you multiply the points that are awarded for a finish by one. By comparison the Olympics are weighted five.

For example 1st place is worth 50 points. So first place at Eurobasket is (50x1) 50 pts, and first place at the Olympics (50x5) 250 pts.

Now Britain won't finish 1st, probably not even in the top 8, but 9th place at Eurobasket is still worth 10, the worst they can possibly do 16th which is 3 pts. So even if they finish dead last they'd be bumped up to 68th in the world rankings. If they finished 9th they'd move into a tie for 44th.

rikhardur

04-12-2009, 06:04 PM

So Angola jumped two positions and are now ahead of national teams like Turkey, Russia, Brazil, France, Croatia and Slovenia. Amazing.

Dtown

04-12-2009, 06:32 PM

JGX

04-14-2009, 08:05 PM

International basketball is a tough sport to rank, because almost all the play is in short tournaments over the summer and teams are often not at full strength, but even under those constraints FIBA's ranking is incredibly poorly conceived.

I put together a ranking last summer that is more methodologically sound (like it uses actual results of games and stuff :D), but still has some problems--the splitting of Eurobasket qualifying into divisions makes it hard to rank the Division B teams, and it's also hard to track down old friendly results (using friendlies, at a much lower weighting than official tournament games, does give better results as it provides a lot more data).

Maybe I'll post what I got anyway, just so you'll have new rankings to complain about.

Dtown

04-14-2009, 09:13 PM

I don't think it's hard to make a top 5 or top 10 (I like my sig rankings :D). Teams that continually make the best tournaments in the world and do something there, are easy to quantify.

It's the lower tier squads that don't always make the tournaments, and the teams like lovable Angola who always seem to make the tournaments but never really do anything that make rankings hard.

Of course this is the same for any international sport that requires qualification for events. (Namely FIFA's which are almost as bad as FIBA's)

pohani komarac

04-15-2009, 12:42 AM

Hahaha, what happen?

no disrespect to nobady. personaly i enjoy to watch puerto rico and if you are hot you can beat anbody and i like players like ayuso and aroyo but my friend don't you think that you being bit to subjective? if you know basketball you know what kind potential slovenia has. they are much stronger then you

this standings doesn't show true value of teams

pohani komarac

04-15-2009, 01:18 AM

It's really give and take for the European teams. On the one hand finishing 9th at Eurobasket gives the same amount of points as winning Afrobasket. It's just winning Afrobasket guarantees a trip to one of the major tournaments, where even last is worth something. (The fact that Angola finished 10th of 24 last WC helps)

And there should be even more points to euro teams. With let down of ex Yugoslavia and Soviet Union basketball map expaded. for now Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Russia are in eurobasket + BiH have chance to qualify whille also Ukrain and new formed Montenegro could make very respectaple teams. Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Lithuania and Russia have evrey right to go for medal at any championship. I also give Montenegro good chanches for medals in near future. Than you add there Spain, Greece, Turky, France, Italia, Israel, Germany and now even Great Britain haveing good team they are all stronger than Angola. Maybe even Check Repuplic, Poland and some others are stronger than Angola who is ranked higher then many of this counted teams. I think that Angola could not even reach eurobasket.

I also think if FIBA wish strong WC there should be atlest 10 euro theams. For sample Croatia beat quite easly Turky and Italy in 05. erobasket and didn't get invitation for WC infront of them and also finished better then them in last two eurobaskets.

PRSURF

04-21-2009, 06:31 PM

no disrespect to nobady. personaly i enjoy to watch puerto rico and if you are hot you can beat anbody and i like players like ayuso and aroyo but my friend don't you think that you being bit to subjective? if you know basketball you know what kind potential slovenia has. they are much stronger then you

this standings doesn't show true value of teamsHahahaha please, dont be too pro european bro, open your eyes, Puerto Rico is Puerto Rico, we can beat any body, any day. Puerto Rico played without his best player versus Germany in the preolimpic, thats why Germany go to the olympics, thats all. Subjective???, you see the other post i quote????, no i dont think so.

Yeah, in paper Brasil is a better team than Puerto Rico, but what sup in the tournament of the americas???, in the paper a lot of team are "better team" than better Puerto Rico, but in the game is other stuff!

pohani komarac

04-21-2009, 08:11 PM

puerto rico isn' only one who missed their best players. same goes to slovenia, croatia...

PRSURF

04-21-2009, 10:18 PM

puerto rico isn' only one who missed their best players. same goes to slovenia, croatia...I am talking about the final game versus Germany, Arroyo got injury in that semis versus Greece!!!

JGX

04-22-2009, 05:00 AM

Maybe I'll post what I got anyway, just so you'll have new rankings to complain about.

OK, here we go. The first number is a team's offensive rating, the second is their defensive rating, third number is their total rating. To predict to score between two teams you multiply one team's offensive rating by the opponent's defensive rating and vice versa. This is based on games from the 2004 Olympics through the 2008 Eurobasket qualifiers, no time-weighting for more recent games, no friendlies, no non-FIBA tournaments like Asian Games, when a country sent a way understrength team to a tournament (like China at 2007 Asian Champs or USA at 2005 ToA) I didn't count their results because that would be stupid. I wouldn't put much stock in differences of less than 5 rating points.

1 USA 129.7 0.83 155.9
2 ESP 107.2 0.75 143.1
3 ARG 106.1 0.75 142.5
4 GRE 95.6 0.69 138.7
5 LTU 107.7 0.80 135.3
6 SRB 98.4 0.76 130.1
7 RUS 97.8 0.75 129.9
8 CRO 99.9 0.78 127.7
9 AUS 100.4 0.80 126.1
10 SLO 95.7 0.76 125.2
11 GER 92.7 0.75 124.1
12 FRA 92.1 0.74 124.0
13 ITA 92.7 0.76 122.7
14 TUR 92.7 0.77 120.6
15 BRA 100.1 0.85 117.9
16 LAT 97.0 0.82 117.6
17 MKD 97.8 0.85 115.5
18 ISR 94.9 0.84 113.3
19 ANG 89.9 0.80 112.8
20 PUR 98.5 0.88 112.5
21 CHN 90.6 0.81 112.3
22 BIH 89.6 0.81 111.1
23 FIN 96.1 0.87 110.5
24 GBR 89.2 0.82 109.2
25 NZL 90.4 0.83 108.7
26 BUL 95.1 0.88 108.4
27 CZE 92.1 0.85 108.1
28 HUN 89.5 0.84 106.8
29 GEO 88.5 0.84 105.6
30 POR 89.1 0.85 105.1
31 NGR 87.4 0.84 103.7
32 MNE 81.1 0.78 103.5
33 DOM 90.3 0.88 103.1
34 BEL 84.2 0.83 101.8
35 SWE 82.9 0.82 100.6
36 PAN 89.3 0.89 100.4
37 EST 81.6 0.83 98.7
38 POL 84.6 0.86 98.3
39 UKR 87.0 0.89 98.2
40 VEN 91.6 0.94 97.7
41 URU 88.2 0.91 96.6
42 SEN 80.9 0.84 96.5
43 CAN 85.8 0.89 96.0
44 MEX 92.1 0.97 94.8
45 CUB 89.5 0.95 94.4
46 LEB 87.3 0.93 93.9
47 ISV 84.1 0.90 93.5
48 NED 80.4 0.86 93.2
49 JAM 83.1 0.91 91.3
50 QAT 81.3 0.90 90.1
51 DEN 79.7 0.89 90.0
52 BLR 79.9 0.89 89.8
53 ISL 86.0 0.96 89.3
54 CMR 77.0 0.86 89.3
55 SVK 81.6 0.92 88.9
56 IRN 76.4 0.87 88.0
57 JPN 78.9 0.90 87.7
58 SUI 72.9 0.83 87.5
59 AUT 77.5 0.89 86.6
60 ROM 76.2 0.88 86.5
61 ALG 78.6 0.91 86.3
62 KOR 81.9 0.97 84.3
63 JOR 75.8 0.90 84.0
64 CAF 66.8 0.80 83.6
65 EGY 70.8 0.85 83.0
66 BAH 78.9 0.95 82.7
67 COL 77.2 0.93 82.7
68 MLI 79.7 0.97 82.5
69 IRL 77.6 0.95 81.7
70 CYP 76.2 0.95 80.4
71 KAZ 76.0 0.95 79.7
72 TUN 77.8 0.98 79.6
73 BRB 75.1 0.96 78.6
74 PHI 80.8 1.06 76.3
75 TPE 82.8 1.09 75.7
76 MOR 72.1 0.95 75.6
77 COB 67.7 0.90 75.0
78 BVI 76.5 1.02 74.8
79 TRI 71.5 0.96 74.5
80 CHI 77.2 1.05 73.7
81 SYR 83.9 1.15 73.1
82 PAR 84.5 1.16 72.9
83 CPV 70.9 0.97 72.8
84 GAB 70.6 0.98 72.3
85 CRC 75.8 1.05 72.0
86 ATG 74.0 1.03 71.9
87 GUY 76.5 1.06 71.9
88 CIV 68.8 0.97 71.3
89 COD 71.7 1.02 70.6
90 LUX 71.4 1.02 70.3
91 SVG 69.5 1.01 68.7
92 RWA 72.8 1.08 67.2
93 RSA 70.7 1.07 66.1
94 ALB 75.3 1.14 66.0
95 MLD 70.1 1.08 64.7
96 MOZ 62.8 0.99 63.3
97 GUA 66.3 1.06 62.8
98 KEN 71.1 1.14 62.6
99 AZE 68.1 1.09 62.5
100 SCO 67.6 1.08 62.4
101 GUI 61.2 0.99 62.1
102 LBY 67.8 1.09 62.0
103 BLZ 73.6 1.21 60.7
104 NIC 71.2 1.18 60.6
105 ELS 63.5 1.05 60.3
106 UZB 64.6 1.08 59.6
107 ZIM 61.5 1.03 59.5
108 AND 72.1 1.25 57.6
109 CHA 62.8 1.10 57.0
110 IND 66.5 1.17 56.8
111 KUW 64.1 1.13 56.5
112 KSA 61.8 1.13 54.7
113 UAE 64.6 1.18 54.5
114 BRN 57.0 1.05 54.3
115 BDI 60.8 1.12 54.2
116 SMR 61.6 1.15 53.8
117 MGL 62.2 1.17 53.0
118 HKG 64.1 1.21 52.9
119 SKN 65.7 1.26 52.1
120 BFA 45.1 0.87 51.6
121 TKC 55.2 1.07 51.6
122 ZAM 62.0 1.20 51.6
123 HON 60.1 1.17 51.5
124 LBR 63.2 1.23 51.1
125 IDN 59.5 1.18 50.6
126 TOG 58.4 1.17 49.9
127 IRQ 59.3 1.19 49.8
128 MAL 58.3 1.18 49.5
129 ETH 64.6 1.38 46.7
130 WAL 57.2 1.23 46.4
131 MLT 53.3 1.17 45.6
132 YEM 54.2 1.19 45.4
133 MAC 56.0 1.25 44.7
134 THA 55.2 1.24 44.6
135 LES 51.0 1.16 43.9
136 GIB 56.7 1.29 43.9
137 NIG 48.2 1.16 41.5
138 SRI 56.5 1.63 34.7
139 SIN 51.1 1.48 34.5
140 GAM 48.9 1.46 33.5
141 BTS 40.0 1.30 30.7
142 OMN 35.7 1.25 28.6
143 MLW 47.7 1.69 28.2
144 VIE 48.3 1.89 25.6
145 BNG 41.6 1.89 22.1
146 NEP 39.5 2.03 19.5

Interbasket dream matchup: USA 137 Philippines 67

Dtown

04-22-2009, 08:07 PM

6 SRB 98.4 0.76 130.1

Bah they're still in the top ten, how can I take it seriously j/k :p

PRSURF

04-22-2009, 09:37 PM

OK, here we go. The first number is a team's offensive rating, the second is their defensive rating, third number is their total rating. To predict to score between two teams you multiply one team's offensive rating by the opponent's defensive rating and vice versa. This is based on games from the 2004 Olympics through the 2008 Eurobasket qualifiers, no time-weighting for more recent games, no friendlies, no non-FIBA tournaments like Asian Games, when a country sent a way understrength team to a tournament (like China at 2007 Asian Champs or USA at 2005 ToA) I didn't count their results because that would be stupid. I wouldn't put much stock in differences of less than 5 rating points.

1 USA 129.7 0.83 155.9
2 ESP 107.2 0.75 143.1
3 ARG 106.1 0.75 142.5
4 GRE 95.6 0.69 138.7
5 LTU 107.7 0.80 135.3
6 SRB 98.4 0.76 130.1/ Serbia??, SERBIA??
7 RUS 97.8 0.75 129.9
8 CRO 99.9 0.78 127.7/ Good Team!
9 AUS 100.4 0.80 126.1
10 SLO 95.7 0.76 125.2/huh?
11 GER 92.7 0.75 124.1/Nowitzky.....
12 FRA 92.1 0.74 124.0/ good names, bad team!
13 ITA 92.7 0.76 122.7/ they will go to the Euro?
14 TUR 92.7 0.77 120.6/ :rolleyes:
15 BRA 100.1 0.85 117.9/what tha ...
16 LAT 97.0 0.82 117.6/uhu?
17 MKD 97.8 0.85 115.5:eek:
18 ISR 94.9 0.84 113.3/ok?
19 ANG 89.9 0.80 112.8/huh?
20 PUR 98.5 0.88 112.5
21 CHN 90.6 0.81 112.3
22 BIH 89.6 0.81 111.1
23 FIN 96.1 0.87 110.5
24 GBR 89.2 0.82 109.2
25 NZL 90.4 0.83 108.7
26 BUL 95.1 0.88 108.4
27 CZE 92.1 0.85 108.1
28 HUN 89.5 0.84 106.8
29 GEO 88.5 0.84 105.6
30 POR 89.1 0.85 105.1
31 NGR 87.4 0.84 103.7
32 MNE 81.1 0.78 103.5
33 DOM 90.3 0.88 103.1/ This team will be better than that!
34 BEL 84.2 0.83 101.8
35 SWE 82.9 0.82 100.6
36 PAN 89.3 0.89 100.4
37 EST 81.6 0.83 98.7
38 POL 84.6 0.86 98.3
39 UKR 87.0 0.89 98.2
40 VEN 91.6 0.94 97.7
41 URU 88.2 0.91 96.6
42 SEN 80.9 0.84 96.5
43 CAN 85.8 0.89 96.0
44 MEX 92.1 0.97 94.8
45 CUB 89.5 0.95 94.4
46 LEB 87.3 0.93 93.9
47 ISV 84.1 0.90 93.5
48 NED 80.4 0.86 93.2
49 JAM 83.1 0.91 91.3
50 QAT 81.3 0.90 90.1
51 DEN 79.7 0.89 90.0
52 BLR 79.9 0.89 89.8
53 ISL 86.0 0.96 89.3
54 CMR 77.0 0.86 89.3
55 SVK 81.6 0.92 88.9
56 IRN 76.4 0.87 88.0
57 JPN 78.9 0.90 87.7
58 SUI 72.9 0.83 87.5
59 AUT 77.5 0.89 86.6
60 ROM 76.2 0.88 86.5
61 ALG 78.6 0.91 86.3
62 KOR 81.9 0.97 84.3
63 JOR 75.8 0.90 84.0
64 CAF 66.8 0.80 83.6
65 EGY 70.8 0.85 83.0
66 BAH 78.9 0.95 82.7
67 COL 77.2 0.93 82.7
68 MLI 79.7 0.97 82.5
69 IRL 77.6 0.95 81.7
70 CYP 76.2 0.95 80.4
71 KAZ 76.0 0.95 79.7
72 TUN 77.8 0.98 79.6
73 BRB 75.1 0.96 78.6
74 PHI 80.8 1.06 76.3
75 TPE 82.8 1.09 75.7
76 MOR 72.1 0.95 75.6
77 COB 67.7 0.90 75.0
78 BVI 76.5 1.02 74.8
79 TRI 71.5 0.96 74.5
80 CHI 77.2 1.05 73.7
81 SYR 83.9 1.15 73.1
82 PAR 84.5 1.16 72.9
83 CPV 70.9 0.97 72.8
84 GAB 70.6 0.98 72.3
85 CRC 75.8 1.05 72.0
86 ATG 74.0 1.03 71.9
87 GUY 76.5 1.06 71.9
88 CIV 68.8 0.97 71.3
89 COD 71.7 1.02 70.6
90 LUX 71.4 1.02 70.3
91 SVG 69.5 1.01 68.7
92 RWA 72.8 1.08 67.2
93 RSA 70.7 1.07 66.1
94 ALB 75.3 1.14 66.0
95 MLD 70.1 1.08 64.7
96 MOZ 62.8 0.99 63.3
97 GUA 66.3 1.06 62.8
98 KEN 71.1 1.14 62.6
99 AZE 68.1 1.09 62.5
100 SCO 67.6 1.08 62.4
101 GUI 61.2 0.99 62.1
102 LBY 67.8 1.09 62.0
103 BLZ 73.6 1.21 60.7
104 NIC 71.2 1.18 60.6
105 ELS 63.5 1.05 60.3
106 UZB 64.6 1.08 59.6
107 ZIM 61.5 1.03 59.5
108 AND 72.1 1.25 57.6
109 CHA 62.8 1.10 57.0
110 IND 66.5 1.17 56.8
111 KUW 64.1 1.13 56.5
112 KSA 61.8 1.13 54.7
113 UAE 64.6 1.18 54.5
114 BRN 57.0 1.05 54.3
115 BDI 60.8 1.12 54.2
116 SMR 61.6 1.15 53.8
117 MGL 62.2 1.17 53.0
118 HKG 64.1 1.21 52.9
119 SKN 65.7 1.26 52.1
120 BFA 45.1 0.87 51.6
121 TKC 55.2 1.07 51.6
122 ZAM 62.0 1.20 51.6
123 HON 60.1 1.17 51.5
124 LBR 63.2 1.23 51.1
125 IDN 59.5 1.18 50.6
126 TOG 58.4 1.17 49.9
127 IRQ 59.3 1.19 49.8
128 MAL 58.3 1.18 49.5
129 ETH 64.6 1.38 46.7
130 WAL 57.2 1.23 46.4
131 MLT 53.3 1.17 45.6
132 YEM 54.2 1.19 45.4
133 MAC 56.0 1.25 44.7
134 THA 55.2 1.24 44.6
135 LES 51.0 1.16 43.9
136 GIB 56.7 1.29 43.9
137 NIG 48.2 1.16 41.5
138 SRI 56.5 1.63 34.7
139 SIN 51.1 1.48 34.5
140 GAM 48.9 1.46 33.5
141 BTS 40.0 1.30 30.7
142 OMN 35.7 1.25 28.6
143 MLW 47.7 1.69 28.2
144 VIE 48.3 1.89 25.6
145 BNG 41.6 1.89 22.1
146 NEP 39.5 2.03 19.5

Interbasket dream matchup: USA 137 Philippines 67I need to take this seriously???

JGX

04-22-2009, 10:37 PM

I need to take this seriously???

Hey, I said it was a rating for you guys to complain about ;)

But seriously, all the ones you complained about are actually ranked correctly. You're lucky I counted the 2004 Olympics, otherwise PR wouldn't be in the top 50 :D

Dtown

04-23-2009, 12:01 AM

My extended rankings, getting in the habit :D

1: Spain 505
2: USA 452
3: Greece 335
4: Argentina 289
5: Lithuania 179
6: Germany 154
7: Russia 111
8: France 111
9: Australia 100
10: Angola 100
11: China 92.7
12: Croatia 90
13: Italy 70
14: Slovenia 60
15: Serbia 55

Kept the fiba weight system, just took out all the junior tournaments and kept the results to 2005 regions, 2006 WC, 07 regions, 08 Olympics. Didn't have enough free time to work out the rest.

Oddities:

Australia is rewarded for a solid 08 Olympics, Angola for a solid world championships. Making both major tournaments helps much.

The only reason China's not above Australia and Angola, is them not bothering to send a good team to the Asian Championships.

France though sucking the last couple years did net a bronze at the 05 eurobasket (highest ranked region) and a 5th at the world championships. Russia's showing at Eurobasket and not finishing last at the olympics netted them 100 points alone.

Also if PRSURF is wondering PR had 43.6 pts. :D

roogzz

08-14-2009, 01:54 AM

please give a link for FIBA Asia

usausa

08-14-2009, 03:34 AM

Try this.
http://forums.interbasket.net/f55/asia-championships-video-downloads-thread-10570/

Fearless

08-14-2009, 10:37 AM

Hahaha, what happen?

What happened? You didn't get to the olympics because youi got kicked by Germany, which is weaker than Slovenia.. come on man..

icebreaker

08-14-2009, 11:11 AM

I think Philippines will increase its ranking by next year because the local sports authority are really serious in bringing back the country to its previous level as an Asian Power!

JGX

08-14-2009, 04:08 PM

Here's how the Asian teams stacked up in my ranking prior to the Asian championship. Japan and Qatar underachieved a little bit but overall I would say it did quite well.

21 CHN 90.6 0.81 112.3
46 LEB 87.3 0.93 93.9
50 QAT 81.3 0.90 90.1
56 IRN 76.4 0.87 88.0
57 JPN 78.9 0.90 87.7
62 KOR 81.9 0.97 84.3
63 JOR 75.8 0.90 84.0
71 KAZ 76.0 0.95 79.7
74 PHI 80.8 1.06 76.3
75 TPE 82.8 1.09 75.7
106 UZB 64.6 1.08 59.6
110 IND 66.5 1.17 56.8
111 KUW 64.1 1.13 56.5
113 UAE 64.6 1.18 54.5
125 IDN 59.5 1.18 50.6
138 SRI 56.5 1.63 34.7

SunOverHStreet

08-14-2009, 06:05 PM

Bah they're still in the top ten, how can I take it seriously j/k :p

And what is your opinion on this matter? Should Serbia be 123 team in the world by your standards. I really don't get you...

I just wanted to add this, after USA, Serbia is the country with most international players and with best coaches in the world. Period.
We deserve that spot in top ten, if not because of results lately, than because of producing talent and very good results in youth competitions.

Dtown

08-14-2009, 07:55 PM

And what is your opinion on this matter? Should Serbia be 123 team in the world by your standards. I really don't get you...

I just wanted to add this, after USA, Serbia is the country with most international players and with best coaches in the world. Period.
We deserve that spot in top ten, if not because of results lately, than because of producing talent and very good results in youth competitions.

Well first j/k means I'm joking, I don't have a problem with Serbia being in the top ten. T

But second of all a true ranking of strength should be determined entirely on the team. In a ranking of senior national teams it doesn't matter if you have the best leagues, coaches, youth oriented teams etc if your senior team doesn't win.

I consider the NBA to be the most talented in the world, the USA to have the best history in basketball in the world and I think we have the deepest reserves of talent by far. That doesn't change the fact that Spain over the last 4 years has had better results than us and should rightfully be ranked ahead of us until the US shows they can consistently win the tournaments that matter.

The same goes for Serbia they shouldn't be handed a good ranking just because their past is great, and their future is potentially great. The rankings should reflect how strong teams are right now.

JGX

08-14-2009, 09:18 PM

That doesn't change the fact that Spain over the last 4 years has had better results than us

I can't agree with that. The real US team has only lost one game in the last 4 years, beat Spain in both head to head meetings, and won a major tournament just like Spain. Spain didn't win Eurobasket in 2005 or 2007.

If your basing your argument on the mediocre results of the non-NBA US team in 2005, then you certainly aren't assembling anything resembling a "true ranking of strength".

Lewis

08-14-2009, 09:26 PM

Dtown

08-14-2009, 09:43 PM

I can't agree with that. The real US team has only lost one game in the last 4 years, beat Spain in both head to head meetings, and won a major tournament just like Spain. Spain didn't win Eurobasket in 2005 or 2007.

If your basing your argument on the mediocre results of the non-NBA US team in 2005, then you certainly aren't assembling anything resembling a "true ranking of strength".

The 2005 and 2007 result plays little in my mind, they counted in the scoring but wouldn't effect the outcome if they were dismissed.

While Spain got a silver at Eurobasket, no one is going to compare the Americas to Eurobasket (it's quite justifiably treated as only a qualification tournament), in either case in my scoring that was worth a paltry amount.

What it comes down to is over the last four years on the world's stage Gold and Silver at the world championships and Olympics is greater than Gold and Bronze. It's not like it's a steep hill to overcome either, if the US outplays Spain in the WC (and lets not kid ourselves there's no way Spain's not there) then they'll leapfrog them even without competing in the Americas this year.

JGX

08-14-2009, 10:44 PM

What it comes down to is over the last four years on the world's stage Gold and Silver at the world championships and Olympics is greater than Gold and Bronze.

Fair enough but the way I see it it's 2-0 head to head, two losses for Spain in world events versus one for the US, and also four Spain losses in Eurobasket to teams that were weaker than the Greece team that beat the US.

IMO it's a lot more helpful to go game by game than to look at tournament placings especially when a large portion of the tournament is single elimination, New Zealand finished fourth in 2002 but lost 5 of their 9 games, some by big margins, things like that have to be taken into account.

Dtown

08-14-2009, 11:16 PM

Fair enough but the way I see it it's 2-0 head to head, two losses for Spain in world events versus one for the US, and also four Spain losses in Eurobasket to teams that were weaker than the Greece team that beat the US.

IMO it's a lot more helpful to go game by game than to look at tournament placings especially when a large portion of the tournament is single elimination, New Zealand finished fourth in 2002 but lost 5 of their 9 games, some by big margins, things like that have to be taken into account.

If it were a yearly ranking I would agree with you, but since it's taken over a longer period of time individual games shouldn't overshadow the bigger accomplishments and sustained success. Especially when teams can vary so much from year to year and some teams can go years without playing each other. Of course this all opinion, and even though I don't agree with you I can say at the moment I respect your opinion more than FIBA's. :p

edit: saw you included 2004 olympics

SunOverHStreet

08-15-2009, 04:12 AM

OK :confused:, so let me try to get this straight (something I doubt I could do btw), so according to you're perspective, countries should be ranked by how many good coaches they have, rather than by their results in recent International competition :(

No wonder why we are so high then, I mean we have Phil freaking Jackson :D :D LOL and some dude called Gregg Popovich

I didn't ask you, but anyway I'll answer... What I was trying to say is that I was very confused with JGX opinion, how Serbia got their place high on the ranking. I know that now we are not that what we used to be and that is ok, I'm fine with that, but what bothers me is that everybody talked about it as some kind of fraud and that kind of talk we didn't deserve. I personally hate every kind of ranking, because it's not real, but that's the way FIBA is functioning. In last ten years, we had one Euro and one world title, and many youth titles won over that period of time. And that is not questionable.
But why the hell are you find yourself confused, is what interest me now? I didn't refer to you and I didn't even mention USA, the greatest power in bball without no doubt... So, WTF?

JGX

08-15-2009, 04:32 AM

edit: saw you included 2004 olympics

I did in my rankings but not in my last post...

Dtown

08-15-2009, 04:40 AM

I did in my rankings but not in my last post...

Nah it was just cause I was wondering how Serbia was sixth in that one, then I saw 2004 Olympics was included.

SunOverHStreet

08-15-2009, 04:48 AM

Well first j/k means I'm joking, I don't have a problem with Serbia being in the top ten. T

But second of all a true ranking of strength should be determined entirely on the team. In a ranking of senior national teams it doesn't matter if you have the best leagues, coaches, youth oriented teams etc if your senior team doesn't win.

I consider the NBA to be the most talented in the world, the USA to have the best history in basketball in the world and I think we have the deepest reserves of talent by far. That doesn't change the fact that Spain over the last 4 years has had better results than us and should rightfully be ranked ahead of us until the US shows they can consistently win the tournaments that matter.

The same goes for Serbia they shouldn't be handed a good ranking just because their past is great, and their future is potentially great. The rankings should reflect how strong teams are right now.

I'm with you on that... But, really Spain over USA, c'mon...
Ranking, purely sucks! It's like FIFA ranking, only God knows what is on their minds when compiling that lists. So unnecessary.
I'm just being proud of history of bball in my country and I will never let somebody bash on that. That's the only truth.

JGX

08-15-2009, 05:14 AM

Nah it was just cause I was wondering how Serbia was sixth in that one, then I saw 2004 Olympics was included.

I see. The 2004 Olympics probably doesn't help them, I think it's more that once you get past the top five there's a big drop (difference between 5th and 6th is bigger than the difference between 6th and 10th) and all the teams after that have had mixed results. Serbia had a mediocre W/L record from 2004-07 but lots of very close losses, and then they dominated their Eurobasket qualifying group last year.

Dtown

08-15-2009, 05:42 AM

I see. The 2004 Olympics probably doesn't help them, I think it's more that once you get past the top five there's a big drop (difference between 5th and 6th is bigger than the difference between 6th and 10th) and all the teams after that have had mixed results. Serbia had a mediocre W/L record from 2004-07 but lots of very close losses, and then they dominated their Eurobasket qualifying group last year.

See the biggest problem I have against using the win loss system, they don't play the same competition or the same number of games.

For example take Australia in non friendly games they're 11-12. But 5 of those wins were against New Zealand, which looks pretty bad. However you could also point out the team that eliminated them in 06 and 08 were the United States. The record and score differential doesn't tell you that much alone, and you lose sight of the bigger picture in that Australia's managed to make the knock out stage in both major tournaments.

So really without a quality of competition variable to a win loss record you can't hold them up equally.

JGX

08-15-2009, 11:50 AM

See the biggest problem I have against using the win loss system, they don't play the same competition or the same number of games.

For example take Australia in non friendly games they're 11-12. But 5 of those wins were against New Zealand, which looks pretty bad. However you could also point out the team that eliminated them in 06 and 08 were the United States. The record and score differential doesn't tell you that much alone, and you lose sight of the bigger picture in that Australia's managed to make the knock out stage in both major tournaments.

So really without a quality of competition variable to a win loss record you can't hold them up equally.

Sure, of course it would be silly to rank teams by straight won-loss record. But it's not that hard to take strength of opposition into account. As for US vs. Spain, there isn't much difference in the competition they have faced...US had a tougher group in the 2006 WC.

Dtown

08-15-2009, 05:35 PM

Sure, of course it would be silly to rank teams by straight won-loss record. But it's not that hard to take strength of opposition into account. As for US vs. Spain, there isn't much difference in the competition they have faced...US had a tougher group in the 2006 WC.

Yeah but you can say Spain had the harder road to the championship in the knock out stage in 2006

Serbia, Lithuania, Argentina vs. Australia, Germany, Greece.

It cuts both ways.

In any case my point about quality of competition and tournament results really only serve to separate teams post top 5.

JGX

08-15-2009, 07:45 PM

Yeah but you can say Spain had the harder road to the championship in the knock out stage in 2006

Serbia, Lithuania, Argentina vs. Australia, Germany, Greece.

You could say that although I would note that it wasn't full strength Lithuania and the same Germany team had eliminated Spain from Eurobasket the previous year. In any case, I think that "there isn't much difference in the competition they have faced" is a fair assessment.

I also think that we're going around in circles here. Can a Puerto Rican show up so we can pick on them instead?

Dtown

08-15-2009, 07:49 PM

You could say that although I would note that it wasn't full strength Lithuania and the same Germany team had eliminated Spain from Eurobasket the previous year. In any case, I think that "there isn't much difference in the competition they have faced" is a fair assessment.

I also think that we're going around in circles here. Can a Puerto Rican show up so we can pick on them instead?

Agreed on the going around in circles, I'm also getting tired arguing for a spanish team I don't particularly like (respect, yes definitely. Like? Not so much). We can just agree to disagree on this, and hopefully US takes gold next year so it's all moot anyway. :p

PRSURF

09-07-2009, 09:02 PM

Puerto Rico in the top 10, yes!!!!!!:cool:

Dtown

09-07-2009, 11:03 PM

1 Argentina 865
2 USA O 861
3 Spain W 739
4 Greece 509
5 Serbia 469
6 Lithuania 381
7 Germany 329
8 Italy 308
9 China 254.7
10 Puerto Rico 252.6

I like that we didn't even participate in the fiba americas and managed to gain on Argentina. :p

PRSURF

09-08-2009, 01:59 AM

Dtown

09-08-2009, 02:14 AM

Because i think that the U19 world Championship is in that numbers.

Not just that, Argentina lost 16 points cause they didn't get gold this year. US only lost 7 points or so (we finished last in 2001, the tournament this one replaced.)

So the US gained 9 points without doing anything

icebreaker

09-08-2009, 10:38 AM

How many points did the Philippines gain after they competed in FIBA Asia?

planaria

09-08-2009, 01:25 PM

I cant understand the last Ranking update.

If Im not wrong, according with FIBA rules, Brazil added 40 points FA 2009 (0,8 - Fiba Americas weight x 50 - Gold points) and it had subtracted 10,4 points from FA 1999 (0,8 - Fiba Americas weight x 13 - 6th place points).

That would result in + 29,6 points in the FIBA Ranking, while only 8 points were added according with FIBA site.

Someone knows why that?

alermac

09-08-2009, 03:57 PM

Dtown

09-08-2009, 04:07 PM

Actually, points from 1999 were substracted two years ago. It's the points from 2001 that are substracted now.

Correct each cycle is 4 regional tournaments, 2 Olympics, and 2 World Championships.

Currently the rankings include
2001 (Eurobasket)
2002 (World Championships)
2003 (regional championships)
2004 (Olympics)
2005 (regional)
2006 (WC)
2007 (Region)
2008 (OLY)
2009 (Asia, Africa, Oceania, Americas)

They also include (stupidly imo) the youth tournaments, but the bulk of the points are in those above.

Luíz for 3

09-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Correct each cycle is 4 regional tournaments, 2 Olympics, and 2 World Championships.

Currently the rankings include
2001 (Eurobasket)
2002 (World Championships)
2003 (regional championships)
2004 (Olympics)
2005 (regional)
2006 (WC)
2007 (Region)
2008 (OLY)
2009 (Asia, Africa, Oceania, Americas)

They also include (stupidly imo) the youth tournaments, but the bulk of the points are in those above.

According to FIBA, I will say you are wrong! Every cyclr includes 5 continental championships...

3. Cycle
The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle. Here are the number of competitions that are taken into account:

2 FIBA World Championships for Women
2 Olympic Basketball Tournaments for Women
2 FIBA U19 World Championships for Women
2 FIBA U21 World Championships for Women
5 FIBA Africa Championships for Women
5 FIBA Americas Championships for Women
5 FIBA Asia Championships for Women
5 Eurobasket Championships for Women
5 FIBA Oceania Championships for Women

Whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship of that category drops out. The FIBA Ranking is then recalculated.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/998/selNodeID/998/howItWork.html

Dtown

09-08-2009, 05:00 PM

FIBA says it's a five regional cycle, but their points only add up if it's a 4 regional.

For example they had the USA only losing 7.2 points post tournament of the Americas which they didn't compete in.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html

However the United States won the tournament in 1999, so they would have lost 40 had they not competed. ( 0 - 40 = -40)

On the other hand the US finished 10th in 2001. That was worth (no prizes for guessing) 7.2 points. (0 - 7.2 = -7.2)

The same goes for Brazil they finished 6th in the tournament in 1999, which was worth 10.4 points. They won the tournament this year, which is worth 40 points. So they should be +29.6 right? Nope.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html

According to that they're +8

Which makes sense because in 2001 they finished 2nd worth 32 (40 -32 = 8)

Add to that it doesn't make sense that they would replace the 2000 Olympics, just to have 1999 still on the books. FIBA can be inept at times, but even they aren't that ass backwards. More than likely it's a typo on their page that has never been addressed.

edit: You can tell it's a typo because FIBA contradicts itself on it's own page.

The ranking is calculated within the scope of a 2 Olympic Games cycle.

ie. 8 years. In other words the tournaments getting dropped this year were those 8 years ago in 2001.

planaria

09-08-2009, 10:37 PM

Thanks Dtown, it made sense now!

atomicbomb

09-09-2009, 01:55 PM

i think the ranking is unfair. i doubt argentina did not won a gold medal this time, it raise to no.1 rank.

usa won in olympics and spain won in fiba-world and second in olympics.

thats non-sense!!!!!!!!!!!

planaria

09-09-2009, 07:19 PM

Argentina is the only country in the world to be Top4 in the last 4 main world events.

That´s why they have so many points. Why is that unfair?

They´ll have to defend their title in the next Olympic Game...

Dtown

09-09-2009, 07:44 PM

USA will likely surpass Argentina so long as they medal next year.

Argentina can only gain points if they get gold and they lose points if they don't snag at least silver, US gains points if they finish better than 6th.

JGX

09-17-2009, 06:55 PM

6 SRB 98.4 0.76 130.1/ Serbia??, SERBIA??

Yeah, SERBIA. :D

memvals808

10-05-2009, 09:15 AM

1 USA 945.2
2 spain 785.7
3 france 746.8
4 argentina 724.2
5 china 692.6

JBALLA

10-06-2009, 01:41 AM

thats awesome

PRSURF

10-06-2009, 11:07 PM

1 USA 945.2
2 spain 785.7
3 france 746.8
4 argentina 724.2
5 china 692.6
China 5?, yeah, and Philippines is 8 right?

TrueBluePinoy

10-07-2009, 04:34 AM

China 5?, yeah, and Philippines is 8 right?

Actually we're 52nd.

Gytaz

10-07-2009, 02:29 PM

Actually we're 52nd.

Actually, official FIBA site says (http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html) that you're 53rd and China is 9th.

lebanese NT

04-05-2010, 10:40 AM

i wanna ask something about the fiba ranking that i dont get.
if for example asia championship weight is 0.3 , competition ranking points for a 4th place (lebanon) is 15 so 15*0.3=5 so how come lebanon went down 7 points instead of going up by 5?. can anyone explain to me how the fiba ranking really works?

Khalid80

04-05-2010, 11:25 AM

I previously asked the same question concerning the point system

U can check out this thread

http://forums.interbasket.net/f7/fiba-world-rankings-7230/

lebanese NT

04-05-2010, 12:32 PM

I previously asked the same question concerning the point system

U can check out this thread

http://forums.interbasket.net/f7/fiba-world-rankings-7230/

10nx man it helped a lot. so if i understood it right, they calculate it within an 8 years cycle. so in 2001 lebanon came 2nd and got 12 points and in 2009 they came 4th and got 5 points. so the numbers of 2001 are erased and the new ones of 2009 are added so lebanon lost 12 points from 2001 and gained 5 points from 2009 (thus -7 points in total).in 2003 lebanon got 4th place so in 2011 lebanon needs at least a 4th place for it not to lose any point. any rank above it will add points to the total lebanon have and any rank under it will subtract from our total. correct me plz if i am wrong.

Khalid80

04-05-2010, 06:01 PM

10nx man it helped a lot. so if i understood it right, they calculate it within an 8 years cycle. so in 2001 lebanon came 2nd and got 12 points and in 2009 they came 4th and got 5 points. so the numbers of 2001 are erased and the new ones of 2009 are added so lebanon lost 12 points from 2001 and gained 5 points from 2009 (thus -7 points in total).in 2003 lebanon got 4th place so in 2011 lebanon needs at least a 4th place for it not to lose any point. any rank above it will add points to the total lebanon have and any rank under it will subtract from our total. correct me plz if i am wrong.

Exactly bro.

The rankings are calculated within 2 Olympic Games cycles (8 years) and whenever a new championship is played the oldest championship is removed and the FIBA ranking is recalculated.

Since the weight of the Asian Championship is 0.3 you multiply that by the amount of points granted for the position you got (example: as u stated in 2002 Lebanon got 2nd place so that amounts to 0.3*40 points = 12 points)
and these points accumulate (whether + or -, depending on how u fare in the other championships) over those years.

greg

05-10-2010, 09:47 PM

FIBA, 8 months after EuroBasket 2009, FINALLY published correct FIBA World Ranking with 10 more points for Poland and Macedonia, 6 more points for Bulgaria and Great Britain:

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/999/selNodeID/999/rankMen.html

I wrote about it 10 days ago:

http://www.3sekundy.com/2010/04/oficjalny-ranking-fiba-czyli-to.html

Then it was published on http://www.polskikosz.pl/. They contacted with Sakis Kontos from FIBA Europe and then FIBA World made a correct ranking: http://www.polskikosz.pl/news/22430/polskikosz_pl_wyreczyl_polski_zwiazek_koszykowki.h tml

Congrats to FIBA for great organisation...

mvblair

05-11-2010, 11:46 AM

I wrote about it 10 days ago: Good call, Greg.

The rankings seem pretty consistent. There is a good balance of long term and short term success. Even though their rank didn't change, I'm still surprised to see Serbia above Lithuania, Germany, Italy, and so on. I guess that silver medal in Poland helped out a lot.

Gonzaka

06-06-2010, 11:27 PM

Hello everybody, I'm new in the Interbasket forums.

I see the problem of FIBA rankings is giving the same number of points for winning a tournament this year than for winning other one eight years ago. And that's why Argentina is leading the ranking right now.

The solution could be to substract a percentage of points each year from the older tournaments played.

kerdito

06-08-2010, 05:16 AM

Dtown

06-28-2010, 04:46 PM

Good call, Greg.

The rankings seem pretty consistent. There is a good balance of long term and short term success. Even though their rank didn't change, I'm still surprised to see Serbia above Lithuania, Germany, Italy, and so on. I guess that silver medal in Poland helped out a lot.

This World Championship will probably change a lot.

Germany, unless they have a miracle run, could wind up losing upwards to a 100 points this year, knocking them out of the top 10.

Serbia needs to win a gold medal to avoid losing points, Lithuania will gain points just by showing up (didn't make it to 2002 WC).

Italy actually won't lose a point. The bulk of their points came in the 03 Eurobasket, and the Silver medal at the Greece Olympics (230pts right there. ) Unless they make Eurobasket next year they're gonna plummet.

Other stuff, if US finishes better than 6th they're probably in the number 1 spot again. If they medal they're definitely in the number 1 spot again. Spain could very likely jump into the top 2, and Greece with a medal run could wind up in the top 3.

Lietuvis

09-08-2010, 05:53 PM

The World Championships have been ranked from 9-16 from FIBA.

At first glance I thought Greece would have finished above Australia. Is this right by FIBA?

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/44426/arti.html

Standings for 2010 FIBA World Championship (places 9-16):
9 Brazil
10 Australia
11 Greece
12 New Zealand
13 France
14 Croatia
15 Angola
16 China

Luíz for 3

09-08-2010, 07:42 PM

The World Championships have been ranked from 9-16 from FIBA.

At first glance I thought Greece would have finished above Australia. Is this right by FIBA?

Actually it's not. Both teams went on 3-3 score. Greece has overall +/- points 475/450=1,05556 and Australia 439/428=1,02570.
FIBA confusing everyone again and again :D:D

(Edit) According to Wikipedia, Greece finished 10th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIBA_World_Championship#Final_standings).

Matt121

09-08-2010, 10:39 PM

World Championship
1 50x5=250 11 8x5=40
2 40x5=200 12 7x5=35
3 30x5=150 13 6x5=30
4 15x5=75 14 5x5=25
5 14x5=70 15 4x5=20
6 13x5=65 16 3x5=15
7 12x5=60 17 2x5=10
8 11x5=55 18 and on 1x5=5
9 10x5=50
10 9x5=45

Olympics same as World Championship but only 12 competitors

FIBA U19 and U21 World Championship only 1 point U19 16 teams, while U21 12 teams

Africa 16 teams by 0.2

1 50x0.2=25 9 10x0.2=5
2 40x0.2=20 10 9x0.2=4.5
3 30x0.2=15 11 8x0.2=4
4 15x0.2=7.5 12 7x0.2=3.5
5 14x0.2=7 13 6x0.2=3
6 13x0.2=6.5 14 5x0.2=2.5
7 12x0.2=6 15 4x0.2=2
8 11x0.2=5.5 16 3x0.2=1.5

America only 0.8
1 50x0.8=40 6 13x0.8=10.4
2 40x0.8=32 7 12x0.8=9.6
3 30x0.8=24 8 11x0.8=8.8
4 15x0.8=12 9 10x0.8=8
5 14x0.8=11.2 10 9x0.8=7.2

Asia only 0.3
1 50x0.3=15 9 10x0.3=3
2 40x0.3=12 10 9x0.3=2.7
3 30x0.3=9 11 8x0.3=2.4
4 15x0.3=4.5 12 7x0.3=2.1
5 14x0.3=4.2 13 6x0.3=1.8
6 13x0.3=3.9 14 5x0.3=1.5
7 12x0.3=3.6 15 4x0.3=1.2
8 11x0.3=3.3 16 3x0.3=0.9

Eurobasket: It times it by 1

Oceania it is 0.1
1 50x0.1=0.5
2 40x0.1=0.4