Preparation Games for Eurobasket 2011

[Xristos]

Bad idea to put Kaimakoglou at small forward, he has given up too many points on defense to Gallo

It is clear from this game that Gallo is the key to Italian success and best player of their team

This Hackett kid is good. They are playing better without Marco B while Hackett and Datome are there.

[Remon]

Has Zouros even used Calathes at all today?

[Xristos]

If Bramos is not selected I will not know what to say about Zouros

All along I have been saying he is needed for this team and he has shown his worth in all the friendlies so far

[GV13]

Zouros should also not take Vouyoukas...he just looks lethargic and too soft. Shame because even though the Italians really hit a lot of three pointers, those technical fouls at the end killed the little comeback we were putting together. We really did not play well today and on defense I don't know why after 28 points from Bargniani we still could figure out that its a high pick and roll and the man just stands on the three point line (never rolls to the hoop)!!!!

[Victorious]

That refereeing in Rimini is almost as bad as in Acropolis.

And kudos to Bargnani, didn't know he's such a good diver.

Also, I really can't watch Zisis leading the offence.

Refereeing was horrible indeed. :D I stopped counting the technical fouls.
Anyway, Italy wanted this win badly. Bargnani shot the lights out of Greece today.

As for Greece. It's clear that they have a problem in the guard position. We miss DD, Papaloukas and Spanoulis badly. Right now, the return of Calathes will be a breath of fresh air for Greece. Sloukas has shown some positive signs, but it's hard for him to organise the game against tough defense. Bramos looks good. He is a good shooter and he will be better when he adapts. Xanthopoulos and Mantzaris should be out of the team. They are not solid enough. Charalambidis looked good, but didn't play a lot of minutes so I expect him to be out of the team as well.

It should be Calathes, Zisis, Vasileiadis, Bramos, Sloukas in the guard position. After that, we have to keep our fingers crossed.

I expect Zouros to make the first two cuts this week.

[vaslover]

Who will replace Zhukanenko and Kaun? Shabalkin and Antonov? :confused:

Shabalkin 100% will be into the squad. As for Antonov, most probably he,ll replace Vyaltsev. Unfortunately, Vyaltsev still looks quite poor in friendly games.

[Victorious]

Zouros should also not take Vouyoukas...he just looks lethargic and too soft. Shame because even though the Italians really hit a lot of three pointers, those technical fouls at the end killed the little comeback we were putting together. We really did not play well today and on defense I don't know why after 28 points from Bargniani we still could figure out that its a high pick and roll and the man just stands on the three point line (never rolls to the hoop)!!!!

Who cares about the result today. It was a good scrimmage and a loss is always good for the team.

I don't like Vouyoukas either, but who is supposed to play in his stead. Sofo and Mavrokefalidis are not part of the team. I don't think the latter will ever be invited anymore.

[Italian Pride]

Bad idea to put Kaimakoglou at small forward, he has given up too many points on defense to Gallo

It is clear from this game that Gallo is the key to Italian success and best player of their team

This Hackett kid is good. They are playing better without Marco B while Hackett and Datome are there.

what do you think about cinciarini like point guard and our NT in general?;)

our coach prefer his man carraretto so datome IMO should play more on offense because a shot to create on its own and has a great shot from 3 is important in defense and rebounding above all...i think datome his the ideal reserve of gallo...;)

[fasoulaki]

I don't know why after 28 points from Bargniani we still could figure out that its a high pick and roll and the man just stands on the three point line!

He shoot all threes from exactly the same position. No inch to the left no inch to the right. It was only after point number 25 when Koufos decided to start defending.

It was the lack of defense which costs us the victory today and not the 3 or 4 technical fouls we got for farting on court.

[Toxicity]

I stopped counting the technical fouls.


Just 3. ;)

[Victorious]

Just 3. ;)

I think they were four. Zisis got two on the last call.:)

[Toxicity]

I think they were four. Zisis got two on the last call.:)

Yeah, maybe you're right.

I'm curious to see how the greece refs will act in the Acropoli tournament... ;)

[fasoulaki]

I'm curious to see how the greece refs will act in the Acropoli tournament... ;)

They will share technical fouls for burping instead for farting. At the end it is all about biological warfare.

[Silvio]

In Greece, it is just usual home cooking for home national team. In Italy, it's always blatant robbery. In fact, players are so used to it, that they're surprised if their NT gets fair refereeing in Italy, or at least decent one.

Every country has its customs. In Spain, refs first wait if Spanish team will get into deficit ... if so, then they get in action. Here on Balkan, referees actually whistle fairly during summer. They're tired of being hinted who must win during entire club season ... now it's time for their vacation from match fixing :D

[Silvio]

Netherlands - Israel 80-70
http://www.basketball.nl/content.php/nl/110/nieuws.html?id=2895,nl
Scorers Oranje: Arvin Slagter 20, Robin Smeulders 19, Dan Gadzuric 8, Dimeo van der Horst 8, Jessey Voorn 7, Aron Royé 7, Kenneth van Kempen 5,
Rogier Jansen 3, Francisco Elson 2, Osaikhwuwuomwam 1.


Israel lost to Netherlands too. How low can they fall? For Netherlands played two NBA players, but Francisco Elson and Dan Gadzuric are hardly household names, I would call them "fringe NBA players" .



In other game:
Georgia (European country) - Villanova (NCAA team) 87-54
http://www.thenovablog.com/2011/8/14/2362637/georgia-beats-villanova-87-54-to-close-eurojam-2011
It seems American team rotated players much more today, probably they're not used to playing 3 games in 3 days.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

....Here on Balkan, referees actually whistle fairly during summer. They're tired of being hinted who must win during entire club season ... now it's time for their vacation from match fixing :D
:D funny as hell, but damn close to reality :D

[Duncan]

on the Italian NT, maybe it would be better to use Belinelli off the bench to cover 3 different positions, if playing small ball, or as instant offence when needed. I just think Italia would do better with Mago and Gallo starting, and Belli off the bench

[baelor]

Georgia (European country) - Villanova (NCAA team) 87-54...

good one :D that's for americans, isn't it?:rolleyes:

[CG]

Netherlands - Israel 80-70
http://www.basketball.nl/content.php/nl/110/nieuws.html?id=2895,nl
Scorers Oranje: Arvin Slagter 20, Robin Smeulders 19, Dan Gadzuric 8, Dimeo van der Horst 8, Jessey Voorn 7, Aron Royé 7, Kenneth van Kempen 5,
Rogier Jansen 3, Francisco Elson 2, Osaikhwuwuomwam 1.


Israel lost to Netherlands too. How low can they fall? For Netherlands played two NBA players, but Francisco Elson and Dan Gadzuric are hardly household names, I would call them "fringe NBA players" .



In other game:
Georgia (European country) - Villanova (NCAA team) 87-54
http://www.thenovablog.com/2011/8/14/2362637/georgia-beats-villanova-87-54-to-close-eurojam-2011
It seems American team rotated players much more today, probably they're not used to playing 3 games in 3 days.

thats the thing when your local teams have a roster full of foreigners and dont help your native players..

[Toxicity]

on the Italian NT, maybe it would be better to use Belinelli off the bench to cover 3 different positions, if playing small ball, or as instant offence when needed. I just think Italia would do better with Mago and Gallo starting, and Belli off the bench

Agree but i doubt Marco would start off the bench given his ego... among the 3 NBAers, he's the worst in that... by far.

I was expecting something more from Pianigiani as a coach on Belinelli... it seems he's hard only with the less-talented guys.

[csmkr18]

Today Spain-Bulgaria. I think Spain will use the bech more, as Bulgaria is a mid-level class team and the presure of the result is not so big like against France and Lithuania.
What do you say guys?

[Kwijibo]

Today Spain-Bulgaria. I think Spain will use the bech more, as Bulgaria is a mid-level class team and the presure of the result is not so big like against France and Lithuania.
What do you say guys?

Spain won 96-59. Here the stats http://www.feb.es/NoticiaDesarrollo.aspx?idNoticia=38994

[JGX]

Canada swept Belgium 79-74 and 74-68.

http://sport.be.msn.com/nl/basketbal/?Article_ID=508026

Canada: Rautins 26, Anderson 18, Kendall 12, English 9, Shepherd 7, Joseph 3, Olynyk 2, Young 2.
Belgium: Hervelle 12, Faison 12, Lauwers 11, Van Rossom 10, Tabu 10, Mbenga 8, De Zeeuw 4, Van Den Spiegel 3, Oveneke 2, Steinbach 2.

Canada: Olynyk 16, English 11, Rautins 10, Kendall 9, Brown 8, Anderson 6, Anthony 6, Doornekamp 6, Joseph 3, Young 2.
Belgium: Hervelle 15, Faison 10, De Zeeuw 9, Van de Spiegel 8, Van Rossom 7, Tabu 7, Lauwers 6, Steinbach 5, Beghin 5.

Scores for the second game don't add up correctly but that's what the site says.

[Duncan]

Toxicity- Yeah, you would think Boss man Simone P. would crack the whip a bit, maybe he still will. Belli needs to swallow the ego a bit and do what's best for the team. And to me, that's being the Mr X off the bench

[Genjuro]

I was expecting something more from Pianigiani as a coach on Belinelli... it seems he's hard only with the less-talented guys.
I agree. Given his dominance in the Italian league as a coach I thought he would felt himself more powerful in the NT than he looks.

[barchen]

is there any offic. page for tournament in GB?

[Silvio]

is there any offic. page for tournament in GB?

http://www.londonpreparesseries.com/basketball/index.html


Schedule (complete round robin of 6 teams, 5 games / 6 days)
http://www.londonpreparesseries.com/documents/basketball/schedule-for-the-london-international-basketball-invitational.pdf

Date Time Home Away
Tuesday 16 August 15:30 Australia - China
Tuesday 16 August 18:00 Serbia - Croatia
Tuesday 16 August 20:30 Great Britain - France
Wednesday 17 August 15:30 China - Serbia
Wednesday 17 August 18:00 France - Australia
Wednesday 17 August 20:30 Croatia - Great Britain
Thursday 18 August 15:30 France - China
Thursday 18 August 18:00 Australia - Croatia
Thursday 18 August 20:30 Serbia - Great Britain
Saturday 20 August 15:30 Croatia - France
Saturday 20 August 18:00 Great Britain - China
Saturday 20 August 20:30 Serbia - Australia
Sunday 21 August 15:30 China - Croatia
Sunday 21 August 18:00 Australia - Great Britain
Sunday 21 August 20:30 France - Serbia

[Kwijibo]

Here all the firendly matchs
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=77786

[Jon_Koncak]

Fourth team of Acropolis tournament is..BYU Cougars.they reached the third round of 2011 NCAA tournament.I have no idea whether they got any good prospects.

[Xristos]

Australia 71 China 43
Australia: Crawford 15, Barlow 14, Ogilvy 11
China: Zhang 13, Yi 7

[Kwijibo]

Fourth team of Acropolis tournament is..BYU Cougars.they reached the third round of 2011 NCAA tournament.I have no idea whether they got any good prospects.

I think that it was the team of Jimmy fredette

[Silvio]

BYU
Brigham Young University

Kresimir "Kreso" Cosic played there

http://byucougars.com/files/imagecache/byu_image/photos/2010-cosic-kresimir.jpg

[Kwijibo]

BYU
Brigham Young University

Kresimir "Kreso" Cosic played there

http://byucougars.com/files/imagecache/byu_image/photos/2010-cosic-kresimir.jpg

And they are mormon or smthing like that

[Silvio]

And they are mormon or smthing like that

I don't quite understand you.

1) if you think about Utah
Brigham Young University is located in state of Utah. But not all people in Utah are Mormons. Nor all Mormons live in Utah.

2) if you think about BYU
It is private university (not state university ) and religious university. I'm not sure how exactly their religion is called.

3) if you think about Kreso Cosic
He was Mormon. Let me ask Mr. Google ... googl, googl, googl ...
"During his time at the Brigham Young University, Cosic converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and later served as the LDS presiding priesthood holder in post-communist Croatia. "

[Dtown]

I don't quite understand you.


2) if you think about BYU
It is private university (not state university ) and religious university. I'm not sure how exactly their religion is called.



It's the church of latter day saints, the religion Mormons practice, so yes BYU is a Mormon university as he said.

[Silvio]

at Tbilisi, Georgia
Georgia vs. Israel 97:91
http://www.eurobasket.com/Israel/basketball.asp?NewsID=238306

from article
- defenseless game
- Israeli forward Guy Pnini had monster 26 point game
- Zaza Pachulia led the hosts with 18 points
- for Israel Lior Eliyahu, Tal Burstein and David Blu each scored 14 pts
- Israel's record in preparation games dropped to 2-5 W-L
- all seven games were played without NBA star Omri Casspi who hopes to return before August 31st, when Israeli plays its opening EuroBasket game in Lithuania against Germany led by NBA champion Dirk Nowitzki.
- From 22nd to 24th August, Israel will host triangle tournament in Tel Aviv: Israel, Russia and Poland will play each other in preparation games

[Silvio]

For London tournament live stats not working, but at least boxscores are available.

Australia - China 71-43
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html
Crawford 15, Barlow 14, Ogilvy 11
Bo Zhang 13

China at -28 despite for Australia DNP: Mills, Ingles, Newley ; DND: Nielsen, Maric. Chinese getting taste of life without Yao.



Serbia - Croatia 71-83
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html
Teodosic 18 (4 ast), Krstic 10, Macvan 10
Simon 17, Draper 12, Tomic 11 (9 reb)

Nice win by Croatia (I can't remember when was last time we won over our neighbors). Serbia still without ailing Velickovic i Bjelica.



Great Britain - France 60-82
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/3/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html
Freeland 16 (8 reb), Reinking 11
Parker 25 (7 reb, 4 ast) , Batum 12, Noah 10 (12 reb).

Deng DNP for GB, reason unclear, but he's not injured. I hope it is not yet another insurance problem.

[JGX]

Deng DNP for GB, reason unclear, but he's not injured. I hope it is not yet another insurance problem.

Officially, he is not playing until the weekend because he is busy running his basketball camp. In reality...who knows?

http://www.sportinglife.com/others/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=others/11/08/16/BASKETBALL_Great_Britain_2nd_Nightlead.html&BID=678


Deng is expected to arrive from his youth training camp in Loughborough in time to play some part in this week's tournament before the weekend, but no timetable has yet been set with the EuroBasket itself only two weeks away.

"There is nothing specific, no," Finch said. "Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later."

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Serbia - Croatia 71-83
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/2/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html
Teodosic 18 (4 ast), Krstic 10, Macvan 10
Simon 17, Draper 12, Tomic 11 (9 reb)

Nice win by Croatia (I can't remember when was last time we won over our neighbors). Serbia still without ailing Velickovic i Bjelica.
Kosarka.si claims it's the first win of Croatia over Serbia ever? Now I know it's been long, but this long... :confused:

In any case, Croatia has beaten Slovenia and Serbia this time, ending two long year streaks. For anyone believing this is coincidence, it's not, it's just what some of us were talking 1-2 weeks ago. Many questions remain, as ussual, yet so far so good for the Croats... they don't belong into the group of "borderline-7th place-contenders" most people would characterise them with, not this time, let alone on pair either with this years Greece or Italy, which particulary bothered me with some of the predictions and comparisons.

[euskadi]

we never beat them in official game 0:3 ( 97., 01. and 11. ).

on preparation games is 3:2 for serbs ( 00., 05. and 11.: for croatia 07. and 11. )

we beat them on some preparation tournament in bormio.


basically we beat them only when there is not slavko cvitkovic to jinx us. croatia wil win medal when he retire :D

[kololoco]

Nice win for Croatia, didnt expect it.

Serbia is going to have a big problem if Bjelica doesnt play, and by play I mean play good. He and Keselj were the x factors last two years. But Keselj alone wont be enough. So we are very shalow on SF position. With the lack of firepower at the two it can be an obstacle two high to surpase. The sad thing is two years Serbia was full of very promising young SF (Milutinovic, Radosavljevic, Mitrovic) and they have all vanished or have become average.

[Hater]

Nice win for Croatia, didnt expect it.

Serbia is going to have a big problem if Bjelica doesnt play, and by play I mean play good. He and Keselj were the x factors last two years. But Keselj alone wont be enough. So we are very shalow on SF position. With the lack of firepower at the two it can be an obstacle two high to surpase. The sad thing is two years Serbia was full of very promising young SF (Milutinovic, Radosavljevic, Mitrovic) and they have all vanished or have become average.

Don´t play Mirotic SF ?

Sorry is spanish like Ibaka, my bad

[Kwijibo]

Don´t play Mirotic SF ?

Sorry is spanish like Ibaka, my bad

Actually he is not SF

[kololoco]

Don´t play Mirotic SF ?

Sorry is spanish like Ibaka, my bad

And if not Spanish he would be Montenegrin. So no chance there:) Maybe you can give us Durant, since you already have Lebron?:)

[MaccabiTA]

thats the thing when your local teams have a roster full of foreigners and dont help your native players..

Yea.. Either that or Casspi isn't playing.
Last 2 decades it wasn't really any different and still Israel was always a mid-level team in the Euronaskets, just now it's getting bad but really has nothing to do with that. 1995-2007 we always made it to 2nd round, with one time (2003) making it to quarterfinals, the difference in 2009 (and possibly this championship) is the absence of the best player of the team, Casspi. that's all.
Although it is true that when Maccabi was relying more on Israelis the NT was more successful (1973-1983 in the top 7 including 1 silver medal) but my point is that it's not like this year there's any difference from the last two decades as I said. The only thing that held us down in 2009 and makes us look bad in preparation games is Casspi being out (although this year it looks like players have less motivation but that also has nothing to do with how many players play in the top local teams)

Just a year ago (with Casspi ofc.) we proved to be equal to teams like Montenegro and Italy.

[sinobball]

Chinese getting taste of life without Yao.When Yao last played for China, George W. Bush was still US president and Obama was still the underdog in his party against Ms. Clinton.

[Hater]

And if not Spanish he would be Montenegrin. So no chance there:) Maybe you can give us Durant, since you already have Lebron?:)

I would give a lot of players like Marbury,Curry ..... :D

[miyagiturbo]

what time is spain-lithuania tomorrow?

[pablonis]

8pm CET today

[surfer]

what time is spain-lithuania tomorrow?

who's broadcasting? is there a live link?

[Mindozas]

who's broadcasting? is there a live link?

Lithuanian TV3 is broadcasting, so I'm quite sure there'll be links in here (http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html) or here (http://sport24.lt/krepsinis)

Can't wait, "Zalgiris Arena" opener, >15k fans, should be huge event, luckily have got a ticket :o

[hustlerlt]

Lithuanian TV3 is broadcasting, so I'm quite sure there'll be links in here (http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html) or here (http://sport24.lt/krepsinis)

Can't wait, "Zalgiris Arena" opener, >15k fans, should be huge event, luckily have got a ticket :o
Agreed,today I hope to see a full Zalgiris arena and from pictures and videos I've seen it's huge!Spain is going to feel like in hell today.

[Kwijibo]

Agreed,today I hope to see a full Zalgiris arena and from pictures and videos I've seen it's huge!Spain is going to feel like in hell today.

Actually Spain doesn't care about the game ;)

[Silvio]

Olympic test tournament graduated from complete fail to epic fail

- yesterday again no TV broadcasting or livestreams, organizers strictly forbidden it.
- yesterday again livestats were not working.
- yesterday's games boxscores came up only today.
- after yesterday's game Croatian coach came alone to press conference. When asked why he did not brought in some of players with him as usually, he said: "I am afraid they get cold or some other illness. It is unbelievable cold in this arena, here in press room too. We protested to organizers ... but to no avail."
-virtually no interest on this board, no posts about it, I mean compared to many posts about tournaments at Cyprus, in Slovenia or Greece

At Cyprus they know how to organize basketball tournament, hell they know how to do it even at Madagascar - but no such know-how in United Kingdom.

[sambaras]

Spain is going to feel like in hell today.
I think this is not a good thing for Lithuanians.It's better make them feel like in hell in the group match first.Now,maybe they will lose but get used to the atmosphere for the group match against you.

[Silvio]

http://static.sportresult.com/federations/fiba/live-2011-node/?event=8509&game=34

Until now (2+ days), we could know scores only by hoopsfix tweets
http://twitter.com/#!/hoopsfix


Croatia steam rolling over Australia at start of game, 10-0

That's kind of understandable, Croats are preparing for some month already, while Boomers gathered here in London. True, Australian part of expedition practiced before and played in China at Stankovic Cup ... but that's Worthington and 3 other players. Majority of roster is Europe based (9 players) + Mills from NBA and they joined team just before this tournament.

[Jon_Koncak]

31-9 for Australia since then.

[Z.A.L.I.A.]

So far I've noticed 6 clear mistakes made in favor of Lithuania :mad: It's a shame, it could be a very nice game, but home refs from time to time ruins the game.

[iskoch]

It's sad to see Saras like that. :(
Clearly he is not good enough for this level anymore, just harmful for his team.
His feet are too slow, can't even do his best, playing P&R...
End of an era...

[LTbotd]

Yeah, refs suck , but still Spain isn't playing well :)

[madmax]

it sucks that refs are determined to do as much homecooking as possible...It would be nice if once in a while these preparation games wouldn't turn into farce:rolleyes:

[hustlerlt]

After the first half 50:33 Lithuania leads against Spain.They're playing really better,but the referees are too biased towards us.

[Illegal2k10]

yeah refs helps us a bit(they call every spanish flop tho), but its not they decide the outcome so far. On the other hand its funny to watch Spain without the help of the refs. They look nervous and irritated. :D Like Marc one time gave that expression: im a fucking star, just give my fucking foul :D

[Debord]

any stream links for lituania-spain game? I would appreciate it!

[Z.A.L.I.A.]

any stream links for lituania-spain game? I would appreciate it!
http://sport24.lt/

[Debord]

http://sport24.lt/

Thanks! But couldn't get it to work.:(

[iskoch]

Why are the Spaniards so dirty in every sport?

[pablonis]

Primadonas are sore loosers. That M.Gasol episode was dirty and pathetic.

[Debord]

the development in jonas valanciunas is very impressive! I believe he deserved a better pick than #5 in this year's drafts.

[serbianhoops]

I hope Javtokas didn't hurt his left hand.

Marc Gasol should be ashamed. :mad:

[Joško Poljak Fan]

I hope Javtokas didn't hurt his left hand.

Marc Gasol should be ashamed. :mad:
I obviously just missed that, what happened?

[Darknemo2000]

M.Gasol is such a dirty trash. Its good that valanciunas made him so frustrated in the end as he defended well and started scoring pretty easily against Marc.

As for what happened Gasol on purpose tried to injure Javtokas when he was in the air, he intentionally placed an elbow near Javtokas hip and pushed him causing Javtokas to land painfully on the ground. Javtokas was substituted and never returned in the game as the injury was rather painful..

[Debord]

M.Gasol is such a dirty trash. Its good that valanciunas made him so frustrated in the end as he defended well and started scoring pretty easily against Marc.

As for what happened Gasol on purpose tried to injure Javtokas when he was in the air, he intentionally placed an elbow near Javtokas hip and pushed him causing Javtokas to land painfully on the ground. Javtokas was substituted and never returned in the game as the injury was rather painful..


Hope javtokas is fine.

[LTbotd]

Damn, i hope everything will be ok with Javtokas and Songaila :(

[Hepcat]

Not smart on Gasol's part. Javtokas looks as if he could clean Gasol's clock - and given their comparative salaries, Gasol has far more to lose.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Javtokas6.jpg

:eek:

[hustlerlt]

Lithuania has just beat Spain 88:76.I have no idea why I thought that Pau pushed Javtokas in that episode and not Marc.Either way that was a really dirty move and I hope that Javtokas will be ok.

[Illegal2k10]

Yeah I hope Javtokas will be fine too. The worst thing, that Marc wasnt even trying to apologise..

One more fact about the game: Spain 38 FTs, Lithuania 17 FTs. :p

[Straight forward]

I dear to disagree. Yes he's old, he can't bring all team on his shoulders like used and be ready to see his 3 turnovers, 3 "I don't give a damn" in defence moments, but what Šaras brings to his team is still priceless.

Now Kalnietis needs to learn one simple thing - play your game, play fast and aggressive ! I don't know why he's not coming with that attitude to every game. He's a good players.

Also, I liked Jasaitis, Javtokas, Pocius and Jonas in the game. Songaila is very good offensively, unfortunately he's not that good in defence any more, still very valuable. Petravičius and Jankūnas might have some great positioning, but they need to rebound.

Since it would be insanity to cut Songaila, Jonas, Kistof and Javtokas, it's between Jankunas, Darjus and Petravicius right? Two of them are going out probably if no injuries (hopefully!). And Lukauskis is the member of the team...amazing.

For me refs were very good tonight, I have nothing against them :p

[mbenga]

I hope Javtokas didn't hurt his left hand.


It was the elbow not the hand what he hurt. Didn't look good.

[Darknemo2000]

Yeah I hope Javtokas will be fine too. The worst thing, that Marc wasnt even trying to apologise..

One more fact about the game: Spain 38 FTs, Lithuania 17 FTs. :p

Refs were whistling every fart that Lithuania commited on spain, but at the same time Spain were always good at acting - even when there is a slight poke from a finger, they make it look like a full fist just hit them.

Sometimes there isnt even a contact - like that foul on Petravicius was purely on M.Gasol's acting skills because Petravicius was too late in stepping close and wasn't even able to touch Gasol and he already got a foul because Marc just made it look so artistic and visible, despite no real contact.

On the other hand, we were allowed to block shot that was clearly landing and do some travelling (Saras fastbreak ended in taking one little step too many) so it's not that bad.

[sagenas]

Gasol's a bitch.... http://www.krepsinis.net/r-javtokui-isniro-alkune-179974.html

[achinet]

Why are the Spaniards so dirty in every sport?

In which sports are we dirty? Lith had more calls than us. Nor in football (less card in world championship) In tennis? in wich. It is easy talk without idea.

[LTbotd]

Gasol's a bitch.... http://www.krepsinis.net/r-javtokui-isniro-alkune-179974.html
FUCK! Just what we needed...

[auris1]

well ,before i read all your comments.
what a game!!!
What a wonderful occasion of achievement .

[achinet]

Spain allways has difficults with teams that play hard. Also Lith has a terrific team.

[auris1]

Slow mow ,if i spell it correctly, is a shit.
Watching that reply makes me sick,but you know what?
I do not think Marc meant it.
Same way it goes if i go and film me and my wife having sex.
Not a pretty sight.
Put it in slow mow - it it will look like i am a rapist

[Kwijibo]

In which sports are we dirty? Lith had more calls than us. Nor in football (less card in world championship) In tennis? in wich. It is easy talk without idea.

We're good in every sport. Our NT team and our clubs pwnz in every sport and they are jealous for that ;)

[iskoch]

In which sports are we dirty? Lith had more calls than us. Nor in football (less card in world championship) In tennis? in wich. It is easy talk without idea.

I meant football and basketball.
Your players know dirty tricks very well.
You should watch Spanish national teams more carefully I think...

[Darknemo2000]

In which sports are we dirty? Lith had more calls than us. Nor in football (less card in world championship) In tennis? in wich. It is easy talk without idea.

Is something wrong with your eyes? You should check them as soon as possible. Spain had 38 FT, lith 17.

There were much more fouls on lithuania and not always because Spanis good game, but sometimes because spanish good acting.

We also just witnessed how fair Marc Gasol play, didn't we? He did not intended to foul, he intended to injure a player because of his frustration and sadly he succeeded. That was a dirty play. And also all those artistic grimaces are certainly annoying, particularly when there is barely any contact at all. I swear most of spanish players could make a decent acting career.

[serbianhoops]

Javtokas dislocated elbow ?? :(

Lithuania with him and home court advantage was my favorite for the European title.

Girlie Marc Gasol did his best to increase Spanish hope to win gold. Really shameful.

[achinet]

I meant football and basketball.
Your players know dirty tricks very well.
You should watch Spanish national teams more carefully I think...

You know what? Spain was won the "fair play" price in the last World Championship. And in basketball dirty? come on. Being good is being dirty.
Barça (football) is the spanish team with more spanish players (are they dirty)??

(Footboll and basket are not all sports)

[Jon_Koncak]

Meanwhile GB's best player Freeland sprained his ankle,and Sullivan got injured as well...I don't understand why teams keep on playing so many damn friendlies and on consecutive days.

[auris1]

Is something wrong with your eyes? You should check them as soon as possible. Spain had 38 FT, lith 17.

There were much more fouls on lithuania and not always because Spanis good game, but sometimes because spanish good acting.

We also just witnessed how fair Marc Gasol play, didn't we? He did not intended to foul, he intended to injure a player because of his frustration and sadly he succeeded. That was a dirty play. And also all those artistic grimaces are certainly annoying, particularly when there is barely any contact at all. I swear most of spanish players could make a decent acting career.

Look,it is called "benefit of the doubt"
To say that he meant it,that is overstatement.

[Xristos]

Will a dislocated elbow make Javtokas miss Eurobasket?

Darjus or Petravicius have to be on the team now

[achinet]

Is something wrong with your eyes? You should check them as soon as possible. Spain had 38 FT, lith 17.

There were much more fouls on lithuania and not always because Spanis good game, but sometimes because spanish good acting.

We also just witnessed how fair Marc Gasol play, didn't we? He did not intended to foul, he intended to injure a player because of his frustration and sadly he succeeded. That was a dirty play. And also all those artistic grimaces are certainly annoying, particularly when there is barely any contact at all. I swear most of spanish players could make a decent acting career.

Which actin?

[Illegal2k10]

Ill try to be a good guy. :D Marc is a bitch and dirty player. But you cant say all Spain players are like that. F.e. Calderon. He was behaving properly and wasnt whining after questionable calls. And Rudy. He apologised Valanciunas after a hard foul.
You cant say All SPAIN players are dirty, because its not true. Marc is tho.:p

[auris1]

Will a dislocated elbow make Javtokas miss Eurobasket?

Darjus or Petravicius have to be on the team now
bollocks.

[Straight forward]

Javtokas dislocated elbow ?? :(

Lithuania with him and home court advantage was my favorite for the European title.

Girlie Marc Gasol did his best to increase Spanish hope to win gold. Really shameful.

Yes, seems so, but particular new will be clear tomorrow. I don't think Mark was that evil there, he was late in defence and tried to avoid the contact. Let's not overreact. I have a feeling Javtokas will be OK.

[Darknemo2000]

Look,it is called "benefit of the doubt"
To say that he meant it,that is overstatement.

It was an intentional move, clearly, I dont think he really thought about the injury as such but he certainly wanted to cause pain because of his frustration to the game.

Watch the replay in slow motion and you will see that he intentionally did all that. He never even apologized for that.

[achinet]

Is something wrong with your eyes? You should check them as soon as possible. Spain had 38 FT, lith 17.

something wrong with my eyes?? you have wrong with your math (more FT for Spain means more fouls for Lith).

[auris1]

Ill try to be a good guy. :D Marc is a bitch and dirty player. But you cant say all Spain players are like that. F.e. Calderon. He was behaving properly and wasnt whining after questionable calls. And Rudy. He apologised Valanciunas after a hard foul.
You cant say All SPAIN players are dirty, because its not true. Marc is tho.:p
Slow down man.
Does he have a record?
No,i do not think so.
That was one of what did not look good on video

[Migelitas]

Javtokas dislocated elbow ?? :(

Lithuania with him and home court advantage was my favorite for the European title.

Girlie Marc Gasol did his best to increase Spanish hope to win gold. Really shameful.

Kemzūra says, that both elbows.

[zepyu]

something wrong with my eyes?? you have wrong with your math (more FT for Spain means more fouls for Lith).

Flop all the way.

[blackpeps]

FUCK! Just what we needed...

If Javtokas really dislocated his elbow i'm afraid he is gone for euro. Couple of years ago one of my friend dislocated his elbow and his was out for almost three months. The problem with elbow is that it takes the longest time possible to fully revocer. And after you recover you must undergo full physiotherapy to gain 100 % mobility in your elbow. I just hope that your newspaper are wrong. Best of luck!

[Darknemo2000]

Which actin?

Gasols acting after the rebound. He let the ball slip out of his hands and seeing that he made a jump and threw his head back imitating as if he was pulled on a hand and ironically refs fell for that because Gasols great acting skills.

Its wasnt just that, there was that foul on petravicius before he actually was able to make a contact because once again Gasol's mastery in making grimaces full of pain.

This is called acting really. Ibaka tried some too when after getting the ball leaned forward and made an imitation that he was fouled but ironically Valanciunas moved so far from him that in the end of the act he was all alone, making himself a laughingstock as he ended up showing how hard he was foulded by the air. His acting still lacks compared to the most of the team and doesn't look as convincing. Needs more training

There are some good guys like the before mentioned Fernandez, but there are also dirtbags like Marc Gasol.

[Jon_Koncak]

Great Britain without Deng and Freeland injured, has scored 72 on Serbia in 30 minutes

[auris1]

It was an intentional move, clearly, I dont think he really thought about the injury as such but he certainly wanted to cause pain because of his frustration to the game.


Yes,it is true what you said here.
But i am sure Javtokas has done it many times too.
And what i noticed about his game is that he had never apologises.
He would bang a guy to the ground and calmly walk to the line as if nothing happened.No hand shake,no apologies too
just saying

[dogsled]

Great Britain without Deng and Freeland injured, has scored 72 on Serbia in 30 minutes

Don't know what to say about that - Serbia however down 4 with 3 quarters played.:confused:

[Darknemo2000]

something wrong with my eyes?? you have wrong with your math (more FT for Spain means more fouls for Lith).

Logic mut be your weakest subject. FT means free throws, as in - shots granted after the other team fouled.

Spain had 38 such shots, Lithuania had 17, which means that there were twice as many calls for spanish favour upon contact than for lithuania. Some comes because spain was quicker, but some really came because of the superior flopping skills.

[Kwijibo]

Spain is guilty of the refs, Spain is guilty of the injuries, Spain is guilty of the rainy days... :(

[dogsled]

Great Britain hat 15 offensive rebounds already. Boatens is having a camping night in our paint - has grabbed 5 offensive rebounds up to this moment. Wow, Serbia sure misses some defensive rebounding. Perhaps they are tired from London sightseeing. Who knows?

[Hepcat]

Javtokas dislocated elbow ?? :(

Damn!!!

:mad:


Watch the replay in slow motion and you will see that he intentionally did all that.

Can you post the video?

:confused:

[Cojayar]

If this is what will happen in the Eurobasket, it is a bad day for fair basketball. LIT playing hard, making a lot of faults not called and getting big favours from the refs. That was wrestling referring. The result was decided before the game started to avoid to dissappoint the local crowd. And even some hypocrits even come here to attack the Spanish players. Pathetic. I thougt people in LIT knows something about basketball. I was wrong. With real refs reality will be sad for you.

[achinet]

Logic mut be your weakest subject. FT means free throws, as in - shots granted after the other team fouled.

Spain had 38 such shots, Lithuania had 17, which means that there were twice as many calls for spanish favour upon contact than for lithuania. Some comes because spain was quicker, but some really came because of the superior flopping skills.

AND some comes becouse liths were more hard.
(I mean, being hard is not bad. But you have to say all the truth)

[Darknemo2000]

Spain is guilty of the refs, Spain is guilty of the injuries, Spain is guilty of the rainy days... :(

Refs are stupid to fall on Spanish tricks, but again, Spain could just play fair basketball without all that flopping and acting. You are strong even without that crap.

And Marc Gasol certainly certainly increased the count of injuries caused by him by one today.

[auris1]

Spain is guilty of the refs, Spain is guilty of the injuries, Spain is guilty of the rainy days... :(

Calm down man.
Spanish has got beautiful team.
overflowed with a talent.
it just that we take it too seriously

[Darknemo2000]

AND some comes becouse liths were more hard.

And some were because Spain acting. The key thing that there was twice as many calls going for spanish favor rather than lithuania. I have no idea how you had that big idea argue against it. My only explanation would be that you somehow thought for whatever weird reason that FT's means fouls committed.

[achinet]

Floping actin :rolleyes: . Lith did more fauls, no one fault was called for any floping (stop saying that)

[auris1]

Anyway,who was that idiot joining commentary after the half?
totally ruined the game for me.

[dogsled]

Great Britain hat 15 offensive rebounds already. Boatens is having a camping night in our paint - has grabbed 5 offensive rebounds up to this moment. Wow, Serbia sure misses some defensive rebounding. Perhaps they are tired from London sightseeing. Who knows?

Meant to say Boateng.
Seems like Savanovic is trying to do one like Bodiroga. Had a terrible first half - only 4 points to go with 5TO, 2 offensive fouls I think. However he has taken Serbia on his shoulders and scored 16P in the second half alone. Too many points however given up by Serbia. Duda is gonna be furious about our defense!

[Jon_Koncak]

Savanovic got injured as well..

[Darknemo2000]

Floping actin :rolleyes: . Lith did more fauls, no one fault was called for any floping (stop saying that)

Not all those fouls were after the contact. Some came because Spanish just place such gramaces on their faces that it seems like they are giving birth on court. Thats some parts of the fouls come from.

Some did came from our hard defense but the Spanish flopping and acting did their job too.

[achinet]

Not all those fouls were after the contact. Some came because Spanish just place such gramaces on their faces that it seems like they are giving birth on court. Thats some parts of the fouls come from.

Some did came from our hard defense but the Spanish flopping and acting did their job too.

Something false does not become truth by saying many times.

[dogsled]

Now tied with 1:40 to go. Anybodys game. Has Great Britain grown that strong or Serbia so weak - make you pick..

[Straight forward]

If this is what will happen in the Eurobasket, it is a bad day for fair basketball. LIT playing hard, making a lot of faults not called and getting big favours from the refs. That was wrestling referring. The result was decided before the game started to avoid to dissappoint the local crowd. And even some hypocrits even come here to attack the Spanish players. Pathetic. I thougt people in LIT knows something about basketball. I was wrong. With real refs reality will be sad for you.

Refs were very bad, didn't control the game, favoured the hosts badly - all Lithuanians will agree except few young fellas on the boards :p

As for reality, we'll see. Spain is amazing team, the best team in Europe and second best in the world these days. But the best teams not always win, that's the reality ;)

[pacosas]

Anyway,who was that idiot joining commentary after the half?
totally ruined the game for me.

Tomas Pacesas :) I actually liked him

[auris1]

Not all those fouls were after the contact. Some came because Spanish just place such gramaces on their faces that it seems like they are giving birth on court. Thats some parts of the fouls come from.

Some did came from our hard defense but the Spanish flopping and acting did their job too.

Be fair man.
We did not cope with our rebounds in defence,and both Gasols

[dogsled]

Savanovic got injured as well..

Where did you get that? I can follow the game only via LiveTicker. Do you know how serious it is. Oh my, that was not worth playing this game..:(

[auris1]

Tomas Pacesas :) I actually liked him
Was he?
I am totally sorry if i offended some people.
He was rubbish,in my opinion.

[Jon_Koncak]

Where did you get that? I can follow the game only via LiveTicker. Do you know how serious it is. Oh my, that was not worth playing this game..:(

http://twitter.com/#!/Hoopsfix

"Sebia's Savanovic injured as well. Hobbles to bench"


Serbia wins 97-95..

[Illegal2k10]

Refs were very bad, didn't control the game, favoured the hosts badly - all Lithuanians will agree except few young fellas on the boards :p

Thats quite normal nowadays. in Spain refs helped Spain in Russia refs helped Russia in Lithuania refs helped Lithuania. I would say its common aproach in friendly games.

[Darknemo2000]

Something false does not become truth by saying many times.

Must be talking from your own experience but you dont seem to learn anyway.

So anyways, what the hell was that about FT's remark from you? How come you made such an absurd claim?

[sagenas]

Great Britain without Deng and Freeland injured, has scored 72 on Serbia in 30 minutes

when it's "their day" they can beat anyone...I saw few their preparation games, they have some very nice prospects out there...for everyone it'll will be hard to fight them in EuroBasket.


////////

Some Spanish guys, for who basketball is only circus and nothing more, starts to say their shit. Of course in some episodes referees favored us, that's normal - refs in Spain do the same always but I never saw you complaining about that. Anyone could make a spectacular clip with Spaniards acting...the most ridiculous was with Ibaka when he "hit the air" :D with that flopping he is as much Spaniard as others guys...still, he needs some practice. :)



auris1, idiot? You mean Pačėsas? The head coach of Asseco Gdynia? :D

[dogsled]

Serbia wins an abysmal game 97-95. If Savanovic really got injured at the end, as Koncak remarked, there it is what you call a "pyrrhic victory".

[Civilis]

Just to react to all the emotions that are "boiling" here after the match, my overall impressions :)
So:

It was a somewhat weird match that one could have expected given the special occasion, which was the opening of the new arena in Kaunas

First, it seems the referees went onto court with (sub)conscious determination to present 15.000 people with victory. However, they did not do more damage to the game than the first 10 minutes. Afterwards, they even started paying "compensations" to the Spaniards by making quite close calls. Anyway, the last 30 minutes refereeing was quite OK and it did not impact the final score that much.

Second, it seems that Spaniards were in the beginning out of balance (maybe due to some strange referee calls, maybe due to higher determination from LTU or maybe due to watching Barca-Real El Classico last night into the morning hours, but who cares..). In the same way, LTU team got out of balance after the "Javtokas shock". I think it was not so much the absence of Robertas, but more of the psichological shock to the team-mates who were affected by seeing someone quite badly injured during the preparation process... LTU team definitely needed some time to recover, but luckily it did.

As for the prospects of LTU team, I am still not sure how we will perform in the clutch moments of the important matches. Today we have won as a team, however, Spain has more individually skilled players to close the important matches.

[achinet]

Must be talking from your own experience but you dont seem to learn anyway.

So anyways, what the hell was that about FT's remark from you? Did your brain stop functioning for a moment to make such an absurd claim?

Eh, eh, eh, a respect. If you do not understand I'm not going to explain it again.

[Cojayar]

Refs were very bad, didn't control the game, favoured the hosts badly - all Lithuanians will agree except few young fellas on the boards :p

As for reality, we'll see. Spain is amazing team, the best team in Europe and second best in the world these days. But the best teams not always win, that's the reality ;)

Nice to see that actually people in LIT really understands about basketball. Even if some of your countymen try hard to demonstrate the opposite.

You are right that the best team may not win. But todays "party" can harm more LIT than ESP. Preparation games must be credible if you want to benefit from them.

[Straight forward]

Oh, and about rebounds, most serious problem of Lithuania. This team won't be among best rebounding teams. I believe that's not a question of improvement. Our 3 position is too weak while we have only Jasaitis who can't play 35 minutes. Imagine Mačiulis here with his bulldogs' playing style. Also, we have no athletic 4 position players who could role over the heads. That was Kleiza last year.

[Darknemo2000]

Eh, eh, eh, a respect. If you do not understand I'm not going to explain it again.

I have already edited since decided it may sound offensive. Anyways I am curious how the hell the team that threw more than twice number free throws got less foul calls than their opponents? Is this some kind of illogical logic?

[hustlerlt]

auris1, idiot? You mean Pačėsas? The head coach of Asseco Gdynia? :D
I can't blame auris1 for that,because I also thought he was awful on the commentary.I've got nothing against Pacesas as a coach,but he should never do commentary again.If I would want to hear at least one basketball coach as a commentator it would be Kurtinaitis for pretty obvious reasons :) .

[TB-Fan]

Songaila with serious injury?? any info about that??

[auris1]

As for the prospects of LTU team, I am still not sure how we will perform in the clutch moments of the important matches.
AS up till now.i was not sure we would even get there.
But ..

[sagenas]

I can't blame auris1 for that,because I also thought he was awful on the commentary.I've got nothing against Pacesas as a coach,but he should never do commentary again.If I would want to hear at least one basketball coach as a commentator it would be Kurtinaitis for pretty obvious reasons :) .

I liked him. Maybe he's not the one of those who chit-chat a lot but he knows what he is talking about and his basketball knowledge is very big.

[achinet]

I have already edited since decided it may sound offensive. Anyways I am curious how the hell the team that threw more than twice number free throws got less foul calls than their opponents? Is this some kind of illogical logic?

Ok, one more time. Some one said that we are dirty, and i said that is not true becouse liths had more calls today, becouse of that we had more FT's.

[Illegal2k10]

Songaila with serious injury?? any info about that??

No information so far. I think its nothing serious.:)

[Straight forward]

Songaila with serious injury?? any info about that??

He's not injured at all. He got his hand melted, I don't know if that's the right expression in English though :D

[sagenas]

Songaila with serious injury?? any info about that??

No, as it looks his hand's nerve was hit so he couldn't control his hand for some time, but he'll be okay.

[Silvio]

Yes,it is true what you said here.
But i am sure Javtokas has done it many times too.
And what i noticed about his game is that he had never apologises.
He would bang a guy to the ground and calmly walk to the line as if nothing happened.No hand shake,no apologies too
just saying

Probably he learned it in USA. That is usual for NBA, Americans players are learned from kids' day never to apologize during the game - in their world it means showing weakness. Whatever. But sometimes it rubs off to foreign players.

[auris1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sagenas
auris1, idiot? You mean Pačėsas? The head coach of Asseco Gdynia?
nice one man
i guess i will owe you one "complement " too

[sagenas]

nice one man
i guess i will owe you one "complement " too

You probably misunderstand me. You wrote "idiot" about Pačėsas so I asked "idiot who?".

[TB-Fan]

No, as it looks his hand's nerve was hit so he couldn't control his hand for some time, but he'll be okay.

thanks. Galatasaray Fans were afraid about serious problems on twitter :)

[Deschain]

He's not injured at all. He got his hand melted, I don't know if that's the right expression in English though
:D

Nice one, we say "ant-ified" (yeah, ant. the bug)
In Turkmen, I know that they say "I'm trampled" when they're soaked in rain.

On topic: This is why we never play friendly games against Spain (and few other NT's probably)
I don't recall anyone getting injured while playing against Turkey in a friendly game.

You don't get injured and you win... Sure that's good.

hoping for a swift recovery for Robertas Javtokas.
We need to send him to the line, after all :p

[Silvio]

No, as it looks his hand's nerve was hit so he couldn't control his hand for some time, but he'll be okay.

Stinger?

But someone said dislocated elbow earlier in the thread.

[auris1]

You probably misunderstand me. You wrote "idiot" about Pačėsas so I asked "idiot who?".
What?
Are you calling Pacesas idiot?
it is even worse ,man

[Kwijibo]

Nice one, we say "ant-ified" (yeah, ant. the bug)
In Turkmen, I know that they say "I'm trampled" when they're soaked in rain.

On topic: This is why we never play friendly games against Spain (and few other NT's probably)
I don't recall anyone getting injured while playing against Turkey in a friendly game.

You don't get injured and you win... Sure that's good.

hoping for a swift recovery for Robertas Javtokas.
We need to send him to the line, after all :p

We play so hard or what?:rolleyes:

[Deschain]

We play so hard or what?:rolleyes:

You're so good :) and sometimes evil.

I don't think Hedo(who sometimes seems to almost play in a game with his earring) would like a Fernandez Chop.

[Kwijibo]

You're so good :) and sometimes evil.

I don't think Hedo(who sometimes seems to almost play in a game with his earring) would like a Fernandez Chop.

Have earrings is for girls... :p

[Deschain]

Have earrings is for girls... :p

Exactly, both in a tangible and intangible way.(This came for my Turkish friends out there) You probably didn't see him with his earring
He plays like a swan in prep games.

[naumoski]

Horrible match Spain.

I think that Gasol brothers are not very compatible. Both are a little passive and slow in defense. In offense they do not have enough space to play near the basket.

The frontcourt lineup should be Pau Gasol and Ibaka.

Fortunatelly this game will keep their feet on ground.

Last Eurobasket 2009 Spain was defeated in a friendly game against Lithuania 94-72. So History repeats...

[Debord]

In which sports are we dirty? Lith had more calls than us. Nor in football (less card in world championship) In tennis? in wich. It is easy talk without idea.

Have you seen el classico last night?

[Cojayar]

Have you seen el classico last night?

He said Spaniards. Marcello is Brasilian, Mourinho is Portuguese, Özil is German-Turkish. Can you read?

[Debord]

He said Spaniards. Marcello is Brasilian, Mourinho is Portuguese, Özil is German-Turkish. Can you read?

Well as you might imagine we know where they are from. But that's the overall atitude over there and always repeats.

Please don't get offended. Excellent team, great stars, great basketball but lack of sportsmanship.

[rikhardur]

Guys let's chill down...

[Srle]

Savanovic got injured as well..

Nothing to worry about;)

[Italian Pride]

ot
jpf

[Richey666]

any highlights from the game?

[Kwijibo]

ot
jpf

[Italian Pride]

ot
jpf

[Darknemo2000]

Ok, one more time. Some one said that we are dirty, and i said that is not true becouse liths had more calls today, becouse of that we had more FT's.

But flopping and acting is also part of being "dirty". Spain is a strong team with or without it but you can't deny that you have players who turn normal contact into some horrible foul just by their acting alone.

And we weren't that tough today. Have seen much harder defense by us, yet today we were getting a lot of calls because Spain do like acting.

Personally its annoying, just as bad as diving in football. Thus dirty. Also theres is another kind of dirty like Marc Gasol's adventures on the court today.

[Kwijibo]

ot
jpf

[Kwijibo]

restrain yourself from solely provocative onliners you're lately producing on regular basis
JPF

[pohani komarac]

i just saw video

it looked very dirty from marc

he should be baned from playing this year, but in europe if you play for some big team you can stomp on man's head if you like

[zepyu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POryYns2AjI&feature=player_embedded

[Lietuvis]

Was happy to have front row seats for this LTU v ESP friendly so heard a lot of the team chat and action close up.

It started off looking like the refs were going to making the opening of the new arena a win for the home team with a dubious call within the first few minutes. This angered the likes of Fernandez who was jumping around like a mad man blaming refs and incinuating that it was going to be one of those days.

The refs seemed to then give back that dubious call to ESP with 2-3 light fouls that normally would not be called back for foul shot conversion. From this point the calls appeared reasonable and really for a friendly were what you would expect.

Both teams were rotating rosters and it was not until the ESP main 5 imo (Gasol brothers, Navarro, Fernandez and Rubio) hit the court all together brought back a near 20 pt deficit to within 8. The intensity that these guys played at was daunting and for some reason Kemzura didnt pick this and kept same 5 on which were just outclassed. A quick timeout and he managed to stabilise this run.

Anyway refs had less of an impact final qtr and in last 5 minutes this star 5 were all back on the court to try bring back a 10 pt deficit as in the previous qtr but this time LTU kept up with them and actually extended the lead. When I saw them hit the court it was the true test of this game and I was happy to see that in the end we could hold them and also end with a margin that nullifies the loss in Spain a few weeks ago. (-12 + 12)

[Lietuvis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POryYns2AjI&feature=player_embedded

wow, that landing is sickening. Why did Gasol duck as Javtokas went up for the layup? Its quite clear that he goes under him, no hands raised no attempt to block the ball...hmmm I thought Gasol was a decent guy until seeing this..:mad:

[arturcia]

an excellent example of the Spanish game. many complaints and victim expressions on the faces. Marc Gasol is a real loser. dived after Javtokas ... what the hell? for the minimum required Unsportmanslike foul. Let's hope the referee's will also work well and in Panevezys and this whining gang will get
what they deserve. They have an excellent team of talented players, but they are so arrogant and can't lose with honor.

[Frosties]

I do not like M. Gasol but I think it was not on purpose. He was late (he lost his balance in the FT line), he apologized and Lithuanian players did not go after him -which is always the case when someone does it willingly.

Either there are too many fools in this place to talk nonsense or too many trolls.

[OrgoglioSlavo]

back to the point of the thread please
JPF

[Kalashnikov]

And not only national teams, our spanish clubs like Madrid & Barcelona are better than italian teams
No place for politics here
JPF

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Just watched Javtokas and Gasol and that wasn't an accident it was either intentional or idiocy or both. That can be considered an accidet with 16 y.o. kids, not with senior players. You never bow down when someone goes for a layup, never... that should get into the rules as unsportive foul.

[Frosties]

Just watched Javtokas and Gasol and that wasn't an accident it was either intentional or idiocy or both. That can be considered an accidet with 16 y.o. kids, not with senior players. You never bow down when someone goes for a layup, never... that should get into the rules as unsportive foul.

Honestly, I don't consider M. Gasol to be Mr. Cleanman, but it seems to me he looses his balance in the FT line. If you want to harm a player, you jump or you push, because if you bend like that both can get injured.

Lithuanian players not going after M. Gasol make a point here too.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Honestly, I don't consider M. Gasol to be Mr. Cleanman, but it seems to me he looses his balance in the FT line. If you want to harm a player, you jump or you push, because if you bend like that both can get injured.

Lithuanian players not going after M. Gasol make a point here too.
I have fouled in that manner, sometimes because I was getting dunked on and got scared and sometime wihout an intent but with large degree of idiocy. Being fouled in the exact same manner way more times, only a handfull of those cases were an accident. It's a pretty rookie thing to do, that's all even if I aknowledge Marc getting off balance is an option.

[pohani komarac]

he didn't lose balance, he wannted to push him

[fasoulaki]

I am wondering why the Spaniards have to provide proof year after year that they lack sportsmanship in such an extraordinary manner.

[Adon]

Mark was frustrated and he acted like that clearly because he wanted to unsettle Javtokas with a brutal foul. Isn't it obvious?

[Darknemo2000]

Honestly, I don't consider M. Gasol to be Mr. Cleanman, but it seems to me he looses his balance in the FT line. If you want to harm a player, you jump or you push, because if you bend like that both can get injured.

Lithuanian players not going after M. Gasol make a point here too.

If you watch in slow motion you can see that he did so very intentionally. He made a shove with his hand, not to protect himself but to push the player which when you go under is very very dangerous.

It looked like he wanted to push.

[Frosties]

Mark was frustrated and he acted like that clearly because he wanted to unsettle Javtokas with a brutal foul. Isn't it obvious?

To me the foul is obvious and again I do not consider him to be a mother Theresa, but the intention... if you have that aim, you do things differently, at least in my opinion.

[barchen]

has anyone stats of ltu-spain game?

[Adon]

To me the foul is obvious and again I do not consider him to be a mother Theresa, but the intention... if you have that aim, you do things differently, at least in my opinion.

I don't think that he was planning to cause an injury. Simply, he was to frustrated to care.

[Frosties]

If you watch in slow motion you can see that he did so very intentionally. He made a shove with his hand, not to protect himself but to push the player which when you go under is very very dangerous.

It looked like he wanted to push.

I watched it slowmontion, and the arm/shoulder move is well seen in the image from behind. I have my doubts but had he had the intention to harm him, he would do it differently IMO.

[Darknemo2000]

has anyone stats of ltu-spain game?

Boxscore:

http://linkdetour.net/browse.php?u=Oi8vd3d3Lm11c3VrcmVwc2luaXMubHQvcHVib GljL2ZpbGVzLzIwMTEwODE4X0xUVS1FU1AucGRm&b=13

[Frosties]

I don't think that he was planning to cause an injury. Simply, he was to frustrated to care.

Agree. It is unfortunate but looking to some comments here, he should go to jail :)

He should/could be banned BUT after last years' riot, FIBA's standard was put so low that you really have to something out of anyone's imagination to be banned.

[barchen]

Boxscore:

http://linkdetour.net/browse.php?u=Oi8vd3d3Lm11c3VrcmVwc2luaXMubHQvcHVib GljL2ZpbGVzLzIwMTEwODE4X0xUVS1FU1AucGRm&b=13

its not working....

edit: it works now sorry

[tmx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIyqVJLg5JY

[Mindozas]

Thnx god or whatever - Javtokas should be fine in a week

[ZizzitSlo]

It was a bad, hard foul, but intention surely isn't clear here, as he was in full sprint (very weird lateral motion for a guy like him). It's just like watchin a big stupid orc trying to win a medal at the special olympics. Which is a feeling I get many times when watching Gasol brothers, no matter the general hype about their style and finesse.

However, I noticed that many posters have gone completely anti-Spain after yesterday's game. Don't do that - you're just making their wins bigger and arrogance stronger. They are just a team, afterall - they have flaws, and are beatable with sound tactic and teamplay. Generalizing about referee help, foul plays and other stuff - we all know that is a part of their basketball and none of us will ever change it. It's really the arrogant fans and journalists that annoy us, but the team - well, it is pretty darn good and we better like it, because they will probably make it to the finals this year and probably deservedly so, too.

The good side, however is, that it always feels extra good when you defeat these "corrupt" powerhouses, and for them, well, each game is a constant pressure to prove the world, that they are still the best. The team that will understand their problem the most, and will approach it with most positivism and exploit it, will be the only one who will stand a chance of beating Spain in crucial moments of the tournament. Hatred and envy, masked behind the "moral reason" of "surely they are to corrupt to deserve to win it all" will just backfire on any team (and fan) with double power.

@Mindozas, very good to hear that. Do you maybe know if he will be traveling with the team to Ljubljana? He has quite some fans over here... :)

[Dreamcatcher]

Javtokas's injury isn't so serious. He should be out for about one week. So he isn't going to miss Euro.

[ZizzitSlo]

Also, the video of yesterday's game for anyone who has missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DejanBodyAgain#p/a/u/1/qwCyh25g08I

[Darknemo2000]

@Mindozas, very good to hear that. Do you maybe know if he will be traveling with the team to Ljubljana? He has quite some fans over here... :)

No, he'll join the team after they return from Ljubljana.

[Mindozas]

Btw, Songaila will miss tonight's game vs Russia, but already could play tomorrow vs Latvia.

Quite a relief :cool:

[klakis]

How many good basketball players can such a small nation produce????
I have tramendous respect for lithuanian basketball.....
good job
how come and you do not produce good coaches as well?????

[Darknemo2000]

Btw, Songaila will miss tonight's game vs Russia, but already could play tomorrow vs Latvia.

Quite a relief :cool:

He could play it today as well, just coaches rightly decided to give him some rest.

[madmax]

Greece - Turkey today...
could be yet another heated matchup between two historical rivals. Is it gonna be televised by any chance?

[Kwijibo]

The BIG guide of the European Championship. Google translator is your friend :)
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=77890

[elaj]

Mirza Begić speaking Lithuanian (http://www.siol.net/sportal/kosarka/ep2011/slovarcek/2011/08/slovar.aspx) :D

[iskoch]

Greece - Turkey today...
could be yet another heated matchup between two historical rivals. Is it gonna be televised by any chance?

Yes, it is live on CNN Turk.

http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin

I don't know if it will be available for foreigner IP during the match though, but there will be other links for sure...

[inefeswetrust]

Yes, it is live on CNN Turk.

http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin

I don't know if it is available for foreigner IP though, but there will be other links for sure...

available from the US and UK, but not sure about lithuania..

[help_defender]

The BIG guide of the European Championship. Google translator is your friend :)
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=77890

It seems a nice guide,i wish i knew Spanish.:)
Google make things worse.

Is there any schedule for today's tournament in Bamberg?

[hustlerlt]

Yes, it is live on CNN Turk.

http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin

I don't know if it will be available for foreigner IP during the match though, but there will be other links for sure...
It should be available,because I remeber watching from there Turkey playing against Ukraine and Germany.

[Kalashnikov]

The BIG guide of the European Championship. Google translator is your friend :)
http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=77890

another misspell of FYROM...

[stefann7693]

BEKO-Supercup 2011 in Bamberg (Stechert Arena)
Freitag, 19. August 2011, 17.30 Uhr: Griechenland - Türkei
Freitag, 19. August 2011, 20.15 Uhr: Deutschland - Belgien
Samstag, 20. August 2011, 15.00 Uhr: Türkei - Belgien
Samstag, 20. August 2011, 17.30 Uhr: Deutschland - Griechenland
Sonntag, 21. August 2011, 14.30 Uhr: Griechenland - Belgien
Sonntag, 22. August 2011, 17.15 Uhr: Deutschland - Türkei

[rikhardur]

For discussions about FYROM and non-FYROM, please go here (http://forums.interbasket.net/f10/greece-fyrom-quarrel-what-do-the-2099/).

[SaliH]

It should be available,because I remeber watching from there Turkey playing against Ukraine and Germany.

+1 It's available in Bulgaria too.

PS Tonight I want to see some progres from the turkish players. The win isn't important.

[Xristos]

Links for Lithuania - Russia? What time?

[hustlerlt]

Links for Lithuania - Russia? What time?
It will start 20:30 local time and links should be in sport24.lt

[barchen]

any livescore for tournament in germany?

[Apollo64]

"Diamantidis yok, Papaloukas yok"


Ιt seems that Nick Calathes will have some playing time today.

[SaliH]

The game starts, let's hope that we'll see a nice game, with no injuries! :)

[lover]

Tunceri is such a terrible guard. I really dislike him. Efes will waste this year too with him in the driver seat.

[inefeswetrust]

we re still awful, what s wrong with those guys :confused: btw is it only me or germans have really annoying timeout alarm :eek:


Tunceri is such a terrible guard. I really dislike him. Efes will waste this year too with him in the driver seat.

go learn basketball..

[CG]

http://www3.livetv.ru/webplayer.php?t=veetle&c=3959BC32280D1568B7F9BFFE43EE9303/true/default&lang=en&eid=84195&lid=107775&ci=115&si=3

for anyone who wants to see the game

[Xristos]

Koufos is playing great in the last few games

Good to see Calathes is moving well

[OrgoglioSlavo]

poor turkey, they do try their best but as usualy they will win nothing hahah
getting destroyed by greece b team..to be honest it just shows how much the refs helped them last year, especially vs serbia as we know

[gockun]

we are still too slow for this game. and greeks taking advantage and doing some nice P%R's.

[inefeswetrust]

poor turkey, they do try their best but as usualy they will win nothing hahah
getting destroyed by greece b team..to be honest it just shows how much the refs helped them last year, especially vs serbia as we know

trolls?? oh no, not here!!:eek:

[Xristos]

Enes Kanter is very slow on defense...makes fouls a lot

[lover]

we re still awful, what s wrong with those guys :confused: btw is it only me or germans have really annoying timeout alarm :eek:



go learn basketball..

What he did achieve in his 10 year career?

1 EL quarter-final with Ulker, 1 Uleb Cup title with Madrid, 1 silver medal in a fixed tournament with the NT. Yep, he is a great playmaker.

[pasha]

Just put Dogus in the game. Its frustrating to watch Ender Arslan

[CG]

poor turkey, they do try their best but as usualy they will win nothing hahah
getting destroyed by greece b team..to be honest it just shows how much the refs helped them last year, especially vs serbia as we know

Greece B team won 2 years ago bronze medal while won you 2 weeks ago too.
I doubt if there is another european team that with so many injuries or abseenses can play in the same level as greece.I doubt a lot and not only reffering at this year ...

[blackpeps]

Greece B team won 2 years ago bronze medal while won you 2 weeks ago too.
I doubt if there is another european team that with so many injuries or abseenses can play in the same level as greece.I doubt a lot

Slovenia? Without: Vidmar, Brezec, Vujacic,Udrih,Nachbar

[SaliH]

O yeah baby, We suck!
Congrats Greece, you're playing great, deserved victory for you.

[Apollo64]

It seems that Turkey has done close to zero work on offense so far in their preparation. Blame it on the coach i guess.

On an unrelated note, the "vai vai vai" girl in the ad is awesome.

[Srle]

Slovenia? Without: Vidmar, Brezec, Vujacic,Udrih,Nachbar

Serbia without Milicic,Rakocevic,Stojakovic,Raduljica,Rakovic,Rad manovic,Pavlovic etc You guys are silly, both of you. Everybody missing players:cool:

[Mindozas]

any livescore for tournament in germany?

http://live.fibaeurope.com/www/Game.aspx?acc=3&gameID=9738&lng=de

[SaliH]

In the first half of the game
Greece 60% FGP
Turkey 24% FGP

[Victorious]

Some of you people are real drama queens. These are just friendlies. The intensity level is low and the coaches are working on different systems. The results mean ZERO. Nor do they show the strength of a team.

[banou7]

Serbia without Milicic,Rakocevic,Stojakovic,Raduljica,Rakovic,Rad manovic,Pavlovic etc You guys are silly, both of you. Everybody missing players:cool:

+1

Turkey has very good material but there is lack of chemistry - as always. On the other hand, Greeks have traditionally astonishing performance at the preperation period. :rolleyes:

[madmax]

Greeks look good, but it's difficult to judge from preparation games...turks may be just trying to lull others into false sense of security by constantly underperforming

[inefeswetrust]

maybe we should participate in asian championships this year, so we can get a gold :D

[banou7]

turks may be just trying to lull others into false sense of security by constantly underperforming

Seems like a no win strategy to me. If they do not find chemistry in the preperation period, then it will be quiet difficult to do so at the official tournament

[OrgoglioSlavo]

greek cousins looking good...FORZA ROSSIJA/SRBIJA/ELLAS!! and of course ITALIJA

[SaliH]

ROFL!
The star of the game was Milos Teodosic :D
PS These, who watched the game on CNN Turk, know what I'm talking about.

[Kalashnikov]

4th quarter was an abomination from both sides! Ugly basketball, bad shots, stupid fouls etc.

At least the 1st half was good for the Greek side.

I know the theory of "Turkey does bad at the preparation", but really...38pts in 40min.???
How worse can it get? The Turkish team should really shape up quickly if they want to continue their momentum from last year...

[lover]

Watching Tunceri and Arslan is like Chinese torture.

[Deschain]

page number: 38 :D

Ok we suck in prep games, but there's a difference between "to suck" and "to suck big time"

What's the point in playing these games if you are not going to play at all...

I think Hedo wants to be cut from the NT.

I never hated a player except one in any sports. I hate Ender Arslan.

[Apollo64]

4th period score: 8-2 :eek:

[pasha]

lol 2 points thats just ridicilious

[hustlerlt]

I knew that Turkey wouldn't play like they did in WC,but so far they're looking really bad.If they'll continue to play like that,I doubt that they'll go past the group stages.

[OrgoglioSlavo]

litva-russia link??

[AiwiTo]

8-2 :D its just awesome quarter, wow.. :D i'm impressed, 38 points also looks nice.