Preparation Games for Eurobasket 2011

[Debord]

seems like something serious is going on with turkey. It's not about their basketball. They look like they don't wanna be there. Hope it's not a power struggle in the team again like it happened a few years ago.

[Deschain]

I don't want them to usurp Great Britain's rights to play in second round and fight for a possible QF spot, if Turkey's gonna play like this.

Our offense:
Pg raises his hand (presumably calling for a pick)
Goes around the screen, tries P&R (8% success)
92%, Shoots a 3pt from the top. 90% misses.
Wait at the spot for the next offense.

[Debord]

turks may be just trying to lull others into false sense of security by constantly underperforming

I don't think so. Turks are never that strategic unfortunatelly. Turkish players' performance very much depends on their emotional situation. They only win when they catch a certain momentum and looks like it won't be there this year.

[Debord]

Our offense:
Pg raises his hand (presumably calling for a pick)
Goes around the screen, tries P&R (8% success)
92%, Shoots a 3pt from the top. 90% misses.
Wait at the spot for the next offense.

haha :D yes and they do that as the slowest on earth as possible.

[Deschain]

haha :D yes and they do that as the slowest on earth as possible.


We need a different measurement unit that is not earthly, for that "speed".
At least we held Greece at 62. Wasn't that our regular purpose?

"Don't allow more than 70 pts"

[Alyosha12]

Serbia without Milicic,Rakocevic,Stojakovic,Raduljica,Rakovic,Rad manovic,Pavlovic etc You guys are silly, both of you. Everybody missing players:cool:

Hahah you really think your team would be better with those guys? Good thing your coach is not so dumb.

[Goran NS]

Hahah you really think your team would be better with those guys? Good thing your coach is not so dumb.


With Raduljica or Rakovic, why not ?


We can laugh to this post too:


Originally Posted by blackpeps View Post
Slovenia? Without: Vidmar, Brezec, Vujacic,Udrih,Nachbar

Those two doesn't want to play for Slovenia, so they are not actually missing ;)

[AiwiTo]

Darjus is totally minus.. he dont give anything good to this team..i hope Kemzura see what he does, and how.. playing near the 3-point line, stupid tournovers..damm, what a bad center. Marijonas is 2500% better..he is nr.1 candidate to go out. Jankunas today playing so so not that bad in the offence, but in defence..he is very poor..he dont have any height, he dont have any power, and for 4th position songaila and ksistof is much better. i wont be surprised if kemzura will cut them tomorrow after game with Latvia. with Slovenia and Georgia we need to have final 12, and try to improve as much as possible, first - defence, and rebounding. And make a lot of shots to improve it..firsty for kaukenas, after lukauskis..

[hustlerlt]

The defence today by us is just awful.What I also noticed is that usually there are two russians under the basket and only one lithuanian defending.Also I don't really understand why Valanciunas is usually playing with Kalnietis on the court instead of Saras.I mean Jonas and Saras are just made to play together.On the other hand russian inside defence is pretty good.When we try to play pick and roll,they just put two russians under the basket and because of that they aren't letting lithuanians score easy baskets.Also they are doing a good job against Valanciunas today.When he tries to play with his back to the basket,russians just double team him and because of that he doesn't provoke a lot of fouls.

[NorCal]

Can you guys give an update on score for either game?

[Mindozas]

Darjus is totally minus.. he dont give anything good to this team..i hope Kemzura see what he does, and how.. playing near the 3-point line, stupid tournovers..damm, what a bad center. Marijonas is 2500% better..he is nr.1 candidate to go out. Jankunas today playing so so not that bad in the offence, but in defence..he is very poor..he dont have any height, he dont have any power, and for 4th position songaila and ksistof is much better. i wont be surprised if kemzura will cut them tomorrow after game with Latvia. with Slovenia and Georgia we need to have final 12, and try to improve as much as possible, first - defence, and rebounding. And make a lot of shots to improve it..firsty for kaukenas, after lukauskis..

Darjus played as PF with Petras on the court... He's totally useless there, the same like he was in Fener this season while playin' in this position

[ZizzitSlo]

There are only three possible explanations for the Turkish fiasco.

a) They are working too hard on trainings, emphasizing physical strenght and they forgot about tactical preparations. That would explain low input, slow tempo, no hussle really.

b) The coach has no authority and the real leader is Hidayet. That would explain why he hogs the ball 3/4 of the time, and why he is taking so many forced 3pt shots. For me, this is the most logical explanation, as this coach is just a joke for such a big name team and not appropriate to jump in Tanjevič's shoes.

c) The Turkish team is so confident in themselves, they don't want to show any of their plays to public. I really doubt thought, that they would try this tactic and that it would actually pay off. I think they will be much better at the championship, as I still consider them as a medal contender. But surely this low motivation performances are ought to show it's consequences sooner or later at the tourney.

The real answer is probably a mix of all three options. Turkish team lacks real effort at the moment, looks tired and perhaps even over-confident and lacks both mentality and tactics, which is definitely a result of bad coaching.

It really is quite something different, the approach of the Turkish and Greek team which is slower, with less transition in contrast to plays of Spain, Lithuania, Slovenia and Russia also, who all showed a great emphasize on speed of the play at prep games. It seems like especially Turkish team is relying heavily on combination of "deadly" outside shooting (so far, it's been deadly only for them) with it's size and strength in the post. Greek team however looked brilliant today, but for them, this was a low quality preparation game, actually one not even worth having. It's best for them to forget it as soon as possible, as it is not a solid confidence builder, since it's based on a lousy performance by the Turks.

[Mindozas]

Can you guys give an update on score for either game?

62:72 after 3rd qtr in LT-Russia

You can follow Germany-Belgium here (http://live.fibaeurope.com/www/Game.aspx?acc=3&gameID=9739&lng=de)

[ZizzitSlo]

62:72 after 3rd qtr in LT-Russia

And what a great game it is, your team is doing very well, but I got my confirmation about what I was presuming before the start of the prep games. Russians are playing better and better, are excellently coached and if they proceed with form-building with this tempo, they are right after Spain in the second pool of candidates for a medal, together with Lithuania, Croatia and Serbia. The support of many Russian fans in Lithuania is not neglectable, too.

[LTbotd]

Russia is our boogey team for sure. And we played really bad today, once again stupid turnovers and rebounds...

[madmax]

The game against russians emphasized our chronic and neverending issue - turnovers, which are haunting us for decades now. There is no way we can dream about any medal if we are gifting so many chances to our opponents. Russia on the other hand are looking good and Kirilenko is everywhere, rejecting shots and cleaning up the boards. This game just proves that yesterdays performance was more of a fluke than logical result...

[Darknemo2000]

Valanciunas had the worst game in terms of FT today. he looked almost as bad as Javtokas from FT line.

On the other hand he still scored 13 points and grabbed somewhere around 11 or 12 rebounds.

[AiwiTo]

After this game I can say that Javtokas, Songaila and K.Lavrinovic is very big factor in this team. Jonas, Marijonas, Darjus and Paulius is not the main material of this team. They are just bench players. All the respect for Jonas, but he cant play 25+ minutes, we need his energy, but elder players experience is irreplaceble here. Im a little bit happy what we lost, because after such a games we can see problems much more, than like after yesterday game.

[LTbotd]

Oh, and if somehow D.Lavrinovic won't be cut from this team... He's such an useless player both defensively and offensively

[Picek]

out of all teams playing friendlies so far Russians look the best out there..
a serious gold medal contender..
maybe even the second one after Spain..

[Debord]

There are only three possible explanations for the Turkish fiasco.

a) They are working too hard on trainings, emphasizing physical strenght and they forgot about tactical preparations. That would explain low input, slow tempo, no hussle really.

b) The coach has no authority and the real leader is Hidayet. That would explain why he hogs the ball 3/4 of the time, and why he is taking so many forced 3pt shots. For me, this is the most logical explanation, as this coach is just a joke for such a big name team and not appropriate to jump in Tanjevič's shoes.

c) The Turkish team is so confident in themselves, they don't want to show any of their plays to public. I really doubt thought, that they would try this tactic and that it would actually pay off. I think they will be much better at the championship, as I still consider them as a medal contender. But surely this low motivation performances are ought to show it's consequences sooner or later at the tourney.

The real answer is probably a mix of all three options. Turkish team lacks real effort at the moment, looks tired and perhaps even over-confident and lacks both mentality and tactics, which is definitely a result of bad coaching.

It really is quite something different, the approach of the Turkish and Greek team which is slower, with less transition in contrast to plays of Spain, Lithuania, Slovenia and Russia also, who all showed a great emphasize on speed of the play at prep games. It seems like especially Turkish team is relying heavily on combination of "deadly" outside shooting (so far, it's been deadly only for them) with it's size and strength in the post. Greek team however looked brilliant today, but for them, this was a low quality preparation game, actually one not even worth having. It's best for them to forget it as soon as possible, as it is not a solid confidence builder, since it's based on a lousy performance by the Turks.

Great analysis!

I gotta add one more thing. the coach has showed very poor performance at introducing new talents like enes, dogus, furkan to the current squad so far and waitied for all the injured guys to come back in great shape which is highly unlikely.

It was a tough decision to put him on charge, very big gamble by the turkish federation. If turkey fails to perform this tournament, they will have to learn living with the image that turkey only wins medals at home.

And yes turks have to apologize to greeks for turning this game into nonesense.

[hustlerlt]

After this game I can say that Javtokas, Songaila and K.Lavrinovic is very big factor in this team. Jonas, Marijonas, Darjus and Paulius is not the main material of this team. They are just bench players. All the respect for Jonas, but he cant play 25+ minutes, we need his energy, but elder players experience is irreplaceble here. Im a little bit happy what we lost, because after such a games we can see problems much more, than like after yesterday game.
I agree with you about Jonas,because he's not able to play a lot of minutes and he showed it today.He missed a lot of FT's which doesn't happen very often,but at least he did well rebounding the ball.Also our defense is horrible without Javtokas.I really like Jonas,but he definitely isn't a defensive presence that Javtokas is.

[AiwiTo]

After 2007 semifinal, and after this 2 games i believe we can say that Russia is not our style team. Maybe because of Blatt, he is such a great coach.
Our defence is very bad, then one of our big guys trying to help somebody else, appearing a lot of free space in the paint zone, and we cant prepare normaly for rebounding.. and stupid mistakes like lavrinovic and jankunas made today..is just the most killing thing. you cant score, and they score against you - its like -4 in one attack.
I want to believe that Kemzura just doing his job now, trying to make 100% advantage from the preparation game. Not to win everything, but prepare 100% for championship (for example, keeping Kaukenas and Valanciunas one time in a court - what they can do if Saras is sitting, or keeping Kaukenas-Delininkaitis-Lukauskis-Jankunas-Petravicius on the court in very important time in the game (the end of 3 quater or start of 4, i dont remember exacly)).
Its good that yesterday we could see the potentional, and today the biggest problems again. Left 2 preparation games, and then Showdown will begin!

[ZizzitSlo]

Don't be too pessimistic, your team had two very hard games in two days and if they won both, they would take much less from this experience than they would if they would win. Turnovers are something to be corrected, but I think this will be fixed until the tournament and also during the first stage against the weaker teams. It's also a matter of confidence and pressure, which is quite huge now, when things will get started, it will be easier for all of your players. I also noticed that Javtokas is a very important part of the system for some organized plays and today's TO's can be a result of him not being around.

However, this was a huge moral boost for Russia and you made them much, much stronger. Taking a win from the locals in the new arena, where finals will be played is a huge thing. Also, they played last few minutes excellent, like a really experienced team, with great control of the game, even thought they had a crisis some 7 minutes before the end. Very good pressure by your team, however.

[Silvio]

Germany - Belgium after 3 quarters 49-49 tie
Germany free throws 9/17 = 52.9%
Belgium for 3 points 9/17 = 52.9%

[Joško Poljak Fan]

With Raduljica or Rakovic, why not ?


We can laugh to this post too:



Those two doesn't want to play for Slovenia, so they are not actually missing ;)
No they're not missing they've got GPS locator on their cell phones :rolleyes:

...and if you guys are actualy serious by saying you're missing Rakočević, than I guess I'd have to stop laughing at some guys claiming we're missing Bečirovič :D... now, it's understandable why I can't do that.


Don't blame it on Arslan guys. He is the same guy as he has always been. his limitations are known, yet he doesn't suck that much that with him on court any team wouldn't be able to score more than 38 points.

Judging from the first two preparation games of Turkey, I most of all missed set plays that would make things evolve. Preldžić is really creating some oppurtunities with his one on one game, but you can't depend on that only and go with a 3pointer whenever there is a chance.


Russia seems more and more of a serious contender. It's a great coaching along, some players on their bench lacks self-confidence in their clubs even to throw more than 3 shots in 20 minutes, with their NT they seem like a different players.

[AiwiTo]

...Taking a win from the locals in the new arena, where finals will be played is a huge thing..

actually they played in Panevezys, where the Group games will be held. Lithuania will play here, and im happy what Russians wont do it here :D in Kaunas we will have advantage, if we will meet them there.This is only place, where could meet each other..

[ZizzitSlo]

actually they played in Panevezys, where the Group games will be held. Lithuania will play here, and im happy what Russians wont do it here :D in Kaunas we will have advantage, if we will meet them there.This is only place, where could meet each other..

My bad, sorry. Thought that it was a two-day opener in Kaunas, to provide as many people as possible to see the new arena.

Watching the game between Belgium and Germany at bwin right now. Last two minutes.

[iskoch]

Here you can watch Turkey-Greece game anytime you want...

http://tvarsivi.com/player.php?y=4&z=2011-08-19%2018:30:00

[Overthetop]

Here you can watch Turkey-Greece game anytime you want...

http://tvarsivi.com/player.php?y=4&z=2011-08-19%2018:30:00

I never need to watch such a game :D

[ZizzitSlo]

Belgium - Germany, last four minutes report:

A close game. Both teams played a very static offence, with passes to the post at C and PF go-to guys. For Germans this is only logical tactic with both Nowitzki and Kaman in play, for Belgiums it was a bad decision as both guys did great in defence, too. Nowitzki did his job, defeated them single-handedly, but Belgium did miss 3 FT's that proved to be crucial for their loss. Not much movement off the ball from both teams, especially Belgium seemed to struggle with tempo and shuffling the German defence, both as a team and 1-on-1. However, with one nicely constructed play, they found an empty space in the lane one time to tie the score. They attemped two 3pt's, but too late (when already behind, 20 sec to go) and both were horrifically wide. Both teams look well disciplined, even too much, as they lacked flair in the last seconds, even though it was just a prep game.

[Silvio]

Germany - Belgium 71-65
Dirk 18 pts (4/10 FG, but 9/11 FT) and 6 rebs, Kaman 17 pts, 9 rebs and 2 blocks. Both played only 22 1/2 minutes and connected well with teammates already in 1st game.
Belgium made game deceptively close hitting 10 of first 20 three pointers (still great 10/23 in the end), big Germans forced them into outside shooting.
Lauwers scored 14 pts with 3/5 three pointers, Faison 10 with 3/3 three pointers. Hervelle good as usually 8+8 with 2 steals (though 4/12 shooting). Van Den Spiegel played 14 minutes only, DJ Mbenga even less, 10 minutes.

Germany looking good, Belgium looked good tonight too. Germans will be dangerous, Belgians might be dangerous in some games - could play role of a spoiler.

[Darknemo2000]

Turns out that Jonas had 13 points and 16 rebounds today. He had nearly half of lithuania's total rebounds.

[rikhardur]

That failed inbound pass resulting in a TO in the last thirty seconds simply cannot happen at this level, even in preparation games. I think it was Hamann.

[Silvio]

F.Y.R. of Macedonia - Montenegro 79-74
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/52/671RMAdqs3xY/

Teams are in same group in Lithuania and actually play each other on opening day of Eurobasket. Teams already met at tournament in Slovenia (Montenegro von easily 67-57, but Macedonian coach could not count on center Gecevski in that game and decided to rest guard Ilievski). Probably coaches were hiding their cards in both games. So this is pretty irrelevant game, except for fact that Gecevski finally joined Macedonian team (I have no clue if he was injured or just rested long). That makes this first MKD game this summer with complete roster.

Gecevski had nice 15 pts and 5 rebounds in 22 minutes played. Lester Bo Mekkaleb (that's McCalebb) had 16 pts with 5 steals and 2 asissts. Vojdan Stojanovski 15 pts. Antic only 8 pts, outrageous 0/7 FG, but 8/10 FT, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks.
For Montenegro Pekovic destroyed inside with 23 pts on 7/9 FG and 9/9 FT with 7 rebounds and 2 steals. Dasic scored 14 pts on 6/9 shooting with 8 rebounds.

[stefann7693]

After the game Dirk gave a short interview.

- he was very tired. No legs.
- but he will be OK
- he should improve from game to game and play a "solid euro tornament"
- he thinks that there were some good stretches but the team still has lot work to do

[Silvio]

Remaining two games at "Trophy Macedonia 2011" tournament in Skopje are:

Saturday 21:00 CET (GMT +1)
Montenegro - New Zealand
Link (http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/53/52Vx87HU5kmEY/)


Sunday 21:00 CET (GMT +1)
F.Y.R. of Macedonia - New Zealand
Link (http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/54/26ADwGIlKjmms/)

EDIT:
edited links

[Vlatko.klp]

Remaining two games at "Trophy Macedonia 2011" tournament in Skopje are:

Saturday 21:00 CET
Montenegro - New Zealand
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/53/52Vx87HU5kmEY/

Sunday 21:00 CET
FYRM - New Zealand
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/54/26ADwGIlKjmms/
Instead of that stupid FYRM can you please write Macedonia next time? I get allergic when I see those letters, and even if you want to sound "right" it should be F.Y.R. of Macedonia

[banou7]

After the game Dirk gave a short interview.

- he was very tired. No legs.
- but he will be OK
- he should improve from game to game and play a "solid euro tornament"
- he thinks that there were some good stretches but the team still has lot work to do

Germany has to focus on improving that three-point defense. The Belgians found rythm behind the arc and were taking advantage of that german weakness.
Looking forward for a great game this afternoon!

[Kalashnikov]

Instead of that stupid FYRM can you please write Macedonia next time? I get allergic when I see those letters, and even if you want to sound "right" it should be F.Y.R. of Macedonia

now, I don't want to be the wise guy here, but if you really want to be right, it should be "The Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia", as recognised by the United Nations and the EU, or otherwise, The FYROM (yes, "The" is a part of your name, and you are listed under "T" in the list of countries). The acronym is fine and does not offend anyone else in the forum.

[Roy M]

WTF???
http://www.turkbasket.com/sayfa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6642:yunanistan-idman-yapt-62-38&catid=42:a-erkek&Itemid=401

lol...
Turkey with full roster!
8:2 the last quarter...

[iskoch]

I just watched Turkey's game, there is nothing to take serious in this game because what we played is not basketball. Our guys did the same during 40 mins; screen-pass-shot... This is not basketball, when 3 guys come together in the street first time, play this game.

If a NT in this level do this during 40 mins, there's nothing to get serious...
I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...
Can't explain this match otherwise...

[Roy M]

I just watched Turkey's game, there is nothing to take serious in this game because what we played is not basketball. Our guys did the same during 40 mins; screen-pass-shot... This is not basketball, when 3 guys come together in the street first time, play this game.

If a NT in this level do this during 40 mins, there's nothing to get serious...
I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...
Can't explain this match otherwise...

I didn't watch the game, but I don't think that when those two NT are playing each other, Turkey will be not serious.

[iskoch]

I didn't watch the game, but I don't think that when those two NT are playing each other, Turkey will be not serious.

How can you explain playing screen-pass-shot game during 40 mins then? :)

You may watch it here any time you want by the way...

http://tvarsivi.com/player.php?y=4&z=2011-08-19%2018:30:00

[Roy M]

How can you explain playing screen-pass-shot game during 40 mins then? :)

You may watch it here any time you want by the way...

http://tvarsivi.com/player.php?y=4&z=2011-08-19%2018:30:00

The main Turkey's problem is the PG position.
Tunceri is poor, Arselan in more SG and Ilyasova and Hido, best as they are, need PG to be efective.

It (early maybe to compare) is like Pilsen. Great team with no PG's...

[Kalashnikov]

I didn't watch the game, but I don't think that when those two NT are playing each other, Turkey will be not serious.

Turkey played so bad, that in the end, none of the teams got any useful conclusion from the match...

hopefully, today's match against the Germans will give more infromation

[Debord]

I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...



one must be dumb to do that. what can be the outcome of hiding? will they still hide when the tournament begins? so that other contenders can't see their super secret awesome sets haha.

[banou7]

I think we are trying to look weak and hiding set plays...
Can't explain this match otherwise...

Iskoch what is the purpose of a preperation game if not to work on your systems? I'm not saying that a team has to expose every detail of it's masterplan. I'm just underlining that at this point you have to work in order to find chemistry

[iskoch]

The main Turkey's problem is the PG position.
Tunceri is poor, Arselan in more SG and Ilyasova and Hido, best as they are, need PG to be efective.

It (early maybe to compare) is like Pilsen. Great team with no PG's...

You can't explain this with having bad PG, this team has a lot of set plays, right?
But we didn't see any of them yesterday, they just did what I said maybe 50 times.
It's not normal...


Iskoch what is the purpose of a preperation game if not to work on your systems? I'm not saying that a team has to expose every detail of it's masterplan. I'm just underlining that at this point you have to work in order to find chemistry

You are right but I can't explain doing the same thing 50 times and not playing any set play during 40 mins otherwise...

You don't have to be a team for playing screen-pass-shot, when you come together with 2 other guys first time, don't you also do it?
This is a NT and playing with each other for a long time, impossible to think they don't have anything else to play...


one must be dumb to do that. what can be the outcome of hiding? will they still hide when the tournament begins? so that other contenders can't see their super secret awesome sets haha.

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...

[banou7]

You are right but I can't explain doing the same thing 50 times and not playing any set play during 40 mins otherwise...

You don't have to be a team for playing screen-pass-shot, when you come together with 2 other guys first time, don't you also do it?
This is a NT and playing with each other for a long time, impossible to think they don't have anything else to play...

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...

There is no doubt that what we saw was abnormal. My objection lays on the cause: I don't think that it was a strategy move (trying to make things fuzzy and hide all of the systems). I suppose Turkey's coach was held hostitage by the appetite of turkish stars...

[Kalashnikov]

basically, what I saw yesterday from the turkish team, is a uni-dimensional game. i.e. depending on who's in, the ball will go there.

For example, when Turkoglu is in, the ball will go to him and he will take a screen and shoot. When, Ilyashova is in, the same.
When Asik is in, there will be a pic-n-roll, and he will try to get close to the basket will a shorter opponent.

These are all great on paper, but a team who did its homework, will find out millions of ways to counter the Turkish attacks.

There is no off-the-ball movement, no diversity and imagination in attacks...

I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.

[Debord]

I don't know what's their aim but I just know one thing, what we played yesterday is not basketball...


The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT (http://forums.interbasket.net/f74/turkish-nt-2011-14814/p20.html) topic;


There is something serious is going on with turkey. It's not about their basketball(there is none anyway). They look like they don't wanna be there! Hope it's not a power struggle in the team again like it happened a few years ago. Once we start having more than 1-2 players with bigger egos, it is kinda inevitable to happen. Also winning a medal has always been a curse for turkish players in maybe every sports. they give up so easily afterwards.

[iskoch]

The thing is there is no aim behind it. We just sucked BIG TIME yesterday like we did last week.

as I have wrote in Turkish NT (http://forums.interbasket.net/f74/turkish-nt-2011-14814/p20.html) topic;


There is no doubt that what we saw was abnormal. My objection lays on the cause: I don't think that it was a strategy move (trying to make things fuzzy and hide all of the systems). I suppose Turkey's coach was held hostitage by the appetite of turkish stars...

Shortly we have a strange team. :D
I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say. :D

[banou7]

I haven't really noticed whether Turkey played any zone yesterday. As I remember from last year, it was Tanjevic's zone defense that killed most opponents. With Hedo as PG, Ilyasova SF, and Asik, Erden lowpost, a huge wall was raised so that no team could easily penetrate or shoot from outside. That might be a "hidden" clue in Turkey's team.

Couldn't agree more. Yes, zone defense could be one of the sets that could have been hidden. Especially if you consider that greek teams have traditionally problems facing zone defense.

But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...



I won't comment about our games untill the first match in EB, because I can't find anything logical to say. :D

Of course this is the right attitude. We are only judging from the problematic picture that we have seen so far. I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall :rolleyes:

[plato-ny]

I'm reminding that Turkey was even worse in last year's Bamberg tournament and won the silver medal afterall :rolleyes:
Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...

[banou7]

Turkey was playing at home in WC 2010 and won a silver medal. They were at home in Eurobasket 2001 and won silver as well. They havent won a medal without being a host...

That is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that last year's preparation games were awful and they did manage to find chemistry during the Worldchampionship. I think that the victory against Greece was the psychological turning point of the hosts in their way to the Final.

[baelor]

Oh, and if somehow D.Lavrinovic won't be cut from this team... He's such an useless player both defensively and offensively

agree. he is wothless...

[vaslover]

David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...;)

[baelor]

David Blatt said that "Lithuania was sleepy and too tired after game against Spain. After tomorrow no one will remember about this game..."
The great DIPLOMAT, what else to say...;)

yes he is :) but that was true, wasn't it?:eek:

[kololoco]

But the turkish problem was spotted at offense. 38 points for God sake!!! No off-the-ball movement as you correctly mentioned and no creativity and corporation. Seemed like they were obligated to play a game, that they didn't want to...


As opposed to...
I have yet to see a easily flowing team offence from Turkey in the last ten years since they have become relevant. The main reason for this is that in all this time not once did they have a good ball distributing playmaker. When they had good defence they had good results, when not bad, but the offence was always the same: give the ball to the star and hope he makes something out of it. When you look at their team every single player from their starting five is a top 5 player at his position in Europe. But as a team they just dont click. If they traded Turkoglu for Teodosic for instance they would be a 75% better team.

[Victorious]

I don't agree about all these conspiracy theories of the Turkish NT. It's plain and simple. Turkey is a team which needs momentum to perform well. Insofar they don't have momentum and they are under performing. However, their momentum is won mainly by playing hard defense. Defense is the key to which they are relying.

Here comes the bogus part. Turkey may think that they will have better results in the official tournament because they will play hard defense, but they shouldn't forget that they can play only as hard as the referees allow them. Last year Turkey was the home team and the refs allowed them to play their tough game, but away from home it will be different. So building up momentum may turn out to be very hard for this Turkish National team.

As for these exhibition games. I could see that some Turkish players were annoyed at the end.

[vaslover]

yes he is :) but that was true, wasn't it?:eek:

Maybe it,s true, but anyway seems like Lithuania has an inferiority complex in front of Russia.

[OrgoglioSlavo]

ok london tournament is being broadcasted on website of the english newspaper telegraph, only for uk users of course...anyone hit us with some links?? france croatia australia serbia interesting games

[ZizzitSlo]

Our Šport TV 1&2 will broadcast these two games, so I'm sure there will be some links available. Also Spain:Slovenia at 19:30 CET via TVSLO2.

[KWSN-Men]

One more lucky punch from Greece against Turkey... :rolleyes:

[Silvio]

Turkey - Belgium after Q1
17-13

Livestats
http://live.fibaeurope.com/www/Game.aspx?acc=3&gameID=9740&lng=en

[inefeswetrust]

some of you already know the link but anyway, here it is for turkey-belgium(lack of video quality);

http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin

[OrgoglioSlavo]

Our Šport TV 1&2 will broadcast these two games, so I'm sure there will be some links available. Also Spain:Slovenia at 19:30 CET via TVSLO2.

found any liniks?

[Debord]

After the first half Turkey looks a lot different. Looks a lot more concentrated in defence and moving the ball a lot faster, still the team is shooting very poorly but Omer Asik is dominating and Enes Kanter finally scored and rebounded.

We needed a fairly weaker team to gain some momentum. Hope this game will do it.

[Silvio]

One more lucky punch from Greece against Turkey... :rolleyes:

Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.

[Xristos]

Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.


What are you talking about Even with half of our key players missing we are still regularly beating good teams :rolleyes:

[OrgoglioSlavo]

Any links for france croatia please...its only available to uk people (as if those losers are going to watch hehe) on british website

any links?

[KWSN-Men]

Just watched Javtokas and Gasol and that wasn't an accident it was either intentional or idiocy or both. That can be considered an accidet with 16 y.o. kids, not with senior players. You never bow down when someone goes for a layup, never... that should get into the rules as unsportive foul.

It's not just the diving, the extends his elbow at the end to make sure he gets him.

[Adon]

Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.

If you already feel wounded and bitter, I can't imagine what you will say after 3-4 weeks from now. :D

Seriously, I think that many people underestimate all the info that we can get watching the preparation games. Yes, the coaches are experimenting and trying different things. If the experimentation is successful, they win those games. Surely, they don't play with the goal to loose :rolleyes:

Every rule has some exceptions, but -normally- teams who suck cannot turn into powerhouses in a couple of weeks and vice versa. Please don't give any examples of some exceptions, because I can give you many more examples of the rule.

We could say that the shape of a team matters only in the knock out games (at least in the case of all ambitious teams).
So, it's useless to make predictions or evaluations of the teams until then.
However,if we want to have an opinion now, preparation games (and rosters in a lesser degree imo) is all we got.

[miyagiturbo]

Time for the Spain-Slovenia match today? Thanks

[Silvio]

What are you talking about Even with half of our key players missing we are still regularly beating good teams :rolleyes:

2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2010 - 11th

Now make graph of it and see how it looks.
Then imagine what happens if downfall trend continues ... and start crying

[Xristos]

2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2010 - 11th

Now make graph of it and see how it looks.
Then imagine what happens if downfall trend continues ... and start crying


Interesting that you left off 2009 3rd place

Troll :rolleyes:

[wardjdim]

Turkey is a great example of what bad coaching means. It's been a while since I saw such a pitiful manipulation of a team's roster. Especially when it comes to a team full of hope and talent

But, yes. When someone allows Asik to take more than 2-3 shots per game shouldn't be coaching a 4th division team. Also, the defensive passion of last summer has disappeared, Kanter is on the floor just to grab offensive boards and Predzlic (like Ilyasova) is a role player, not finding a true role over there

It looks to me that Turkey will have serious problems making the quarter finals in the upcoming Eurobasket

[Silvio]

Interesting that you left off 2009 3rd place

Troll :rolleyes:

Because, my friend ... 2009 was lucky punch.

If you read this thread from beginning, you would knew Greek QF win that year was lucky as I proved it. That is what other poster was referring to.

Word of advice: don't come last in discussion, then say those who are there from beginning are trolls. That makes you look funny

[Xristos]

Because, my friend ... 2009 was lucky punch.

If you read this thread from beginning, you would knew Greek QF win that year was lucky as I proved it. That is what other poster was referring to.

Word of advice: don't come last in discussion, then say those who are there from beginning are trolls. That makes you look funny

No need to respond to such nonsense any further

It is clear that you have an agenda

[Italian Pride]

It looks to me that Turkey will have serious problems making the quarter finals in the upcoming Eurobasket

for me this turkey will have serious prolem also to defeat great britain and poland,they played very badly ...

[JohnnieWalker]

2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2010 - 11th

Now make graph of it and see how it looks.
Then imagine what happens if downfall trend continues ... and start crying
where is 2009?

oh, and actually, this graph is better than
2005 - 7th
2006 - DNQ
2007 - 6th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 6th
2010 - 14th

I dont see why you are bashing our NT. Every team comes and goes...

[keratexas]

any link for Germany-Greece game??

[Silvio]

No need to respond to such nonsense any further

It is clear that you have an agenda

I agree completely that any discussion makes no sense.
I give arguments - you call me troll.
I give more arguments - you say it's nonsense.
I proved my lucky punch theory earlier in thread - you don't care to read

Me - arguments
You - insults only, no arguments

We are not at same level, not even close. Please, don't ever answer to my posts

[Adon]

....
I proved my lucky punch theory earlier in thread - you don't care to read

...

Do you think that you've proved anything?
Don't flatter yourself :D

[Silvio]

where is 2009?

oh, and actually, this graph is better than
2005 - 7th
2006 - DNQ
2007 - 6th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 6th
2010 - 14th

I dont see why you are bashing our NT. Every team comes and goes...

LOL, your logic is Croatia sucks => it means Greece is not in downfall recently.
How possibly this two things could be related ?
Croatia sucks AND Greece is in downfall.
At least in this universe.

[keratexas]

Germany-Greece http://www.lshunter.tv/basketball-live-streaming-video.html

not the best quality but watchable..

[KWSN-Men]

Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.

Well, there was some idiot (who could it be? :rolleyes: ) that said that Greece winning against Turkey was a lucky punch.

When it's actually the other way around.

Turkey wins once every 10 years against Greece.

This game was just very amusing for idiots making some "lucky punch" comments and nothing more...

[hustlerlt]

Because, my friend ... 2009 was lucky punch.

If you read this thread from beginning, you would knew Greek QF win that year was lucky as I proved it. That is what other poster was referring to.

Word of advice: don't come last in discussion, then say those who are there from beginning are trolls. That makes you look funny
I'm sorry,but that's just too much.You know what was "a lucky punch"?Turkey's last years semi final game.

[Jon_Koncak]

those french underachievers aint doin so bad

[KWSN-Men]

those french underachievers aint doin so bad

Preparation Games for Eurobasket 2011.

Just reminding...

[Adon]

the refs in Germany-Greece game are laughable. This "habit" in favor of the home team is tiresome.

[Alyosha12]

hahah Haiko is such a eild cowboy but he is a fun little dinamo to watch isnt he?:D

[wardjdim]

Nice set of plays in offense by Zouros. I was expecting the defensive toughness but the team effort offensively is outstanding and, even better, Germany doesn't play bad (unlike Turkey yesterday)

Fortunately for the lucky coach, all the pains in the ass (Spanoulis, Sofo) decided not to play and thus the refreshment became easier for him. However, he is doing fine himself. I shouldn't be blaming luck for the good balance Greece is appearing to have thus far

[Beva]

Congrats to French team, they killed us today with defensive intensity and exploit every weakness in our defense...

Croatia lacks PG, not back-up PG, but PG in general... Draper plays like he's scared, Stipčević tryes but offensively he's below this level... Popović is doing terrible through all the preparations...

Barać was too soft on defense, Tomić good...

And yeah, it appears Marko Tomas could be injured... Hope he's OK...

[rikhardur]

What happened there with Jagla and Fotsis?

[Overthetop]

for me this turkey will have serious prolem also to defeat great britain and poland,they played very badly ...

Yes we have problems but it's for now. Be sure that we'll be much better in the championship.

[Picek]

Croatia lacks PG, not back-up PG, but PG in general... Draper plays like he's scared, Stipčević tryes but offensively he's below this level... Popović is doing terrible through all the preparations...

.that is more then evident, Ukić's bad sides aside he is still a valuable asset for this team..
eventhough I thought we won't miss him at all..
I just wish Vranković stops playing with Popović at SG.. Popović had a wonderful season at Unics as pure PG.. and should be used only as PG..
he is the best PG of this team even with all his bad sides..
and still he puts him in together with Stipčević..
so that way not only we have problems in setting up plays but we have two defensive liabilities on court..
atleast Car could play some proper defense while on court..
if Draper is not hiding his A play and I seriously doubt he is then he is not worth losing our reputation..

edit: GB vs China just started..
Deng is on court for GB..

[Adon]

Greece lucky-punched Germany.
It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game.:rolleyes:

btw, France seems to be a much better team than Turkey so far.

[TB-Fan]

Greece lucky-punched Germany.
It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game.:rolleyes:

Hope that Zouros thinks so.

[KWSN-Men]

Greece lucky-punched Germany.
It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game.:rolleyes:

Don't get overconfident.

[Adon]

Don't get overconfident.

I get optimistic. It's not the same.

[KWSN-Men]

I get optimistic. It's not the same.

It's just preparation games.

[Adon]

It's just preparation games.

It's all we have to form an opinion

[banou7]

the refs in Germany-Greece game are laughable. This "habit" in favor of the home team is tiresome.

We will have our sweet revenge at acropolis! Like it or not :rolleyes:

[Victorious]

Greece has some problems in offence. Maybe I am used to Kazlauskas game, but I think this has something to do with the absentees of the Greek team. When either Mavroidis or Vouyoukas comes in, the Greek offence is clearly weaker.



What happened there with Jagla and Fotsis?

Who knows? Something probably annoyed them in the heat of the game. Men can be like children sometimes. ;)

[sambaras]

Greece lucky-punched Germany.
It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game.:rolleyes:

btw, France seems to be a much better team than Turkey so far.

You say "It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game" and then make a conclusion by saying this "France seems to be a much better team than Turkey so far."

My opinion is Turkey played badly but they haven't really shown anything until now.They didn't make tempo up,they didn't use last year's zone defense or use variable sets.So it's hard to make a conclusion about us.On the other hand Greece seems good,but imo there won't be much thing to improve for them and they will play just like that in Eurobasket while some teams will improve and get better like Germany.Just don't forget there are still 11 days for EB.Then it will be important to win the matches.

[Victorious]

Wow, Greeks celebrating wins in preparation games nowadays.

On second thought, if their downfall continues on current rate - soon it could be only thing left to celebrate.

I think they are thirsty. It has been almost two years since their senior NT won a medal, a year since the young Greek NT won the silver. Two years since the the young Greek NT won gold and silver in EC and WC, and a few whole months since the Greek champion has won the Euroleague for the sixth time.

It's obvious Greek fans are eager to see if this Greek B team will obtain the ticket for the pre-olympic tournament next year, where a stronger Greek squad will be anxious to win a medal.

[Darknemo2000]

You say "It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game" and then make a conclusion by saying this "France seems to be a much better team than Turkey so far."

I believe its called sarcasm.

[Victorious]

You say "It doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a preparation game" and then make a conclusion by saying this "France seems to be a much better team than Turkey so far."

My opinion is Turkey played badly but they haven't really shown anything until now.They didn't make tempo up,they didn't use last year's zone defense or use variable sets.So it's hard to make a conclusion about us.On the other hand Greece seems good,but imo there won't be much thing to improve for them and they will play just like that in Eurobasket while some teams will improve and get better like Germany.Just don't forget there are still 11 days for EB.Then it will be important to win the matches.

I detect a little bias on your side. Why won't Greece be able to improve? They are a new team with a new coach. They need to work on their offence and their chemistry. The ball circulation is much to slow. The guards need to understand their role in the team better. Also, Calathes just played his first games.

There is a lot more work to do. Greece certainly doesn't look ready to me. The good news is that they are getting better game by game. Both defensively and offensively.

[pablonis]

Never thought i'd ever say something like that, but Javtokas is sitting on the bench and clapping, which is an encouraging sign. :D

[Adon]

Don't be afraid to be optimistic or pessimistic for your team, watching its performance in preparation games. And if you will be proved wrong, it's not a big deal. Everyone has "some" wrong predictions in his resume ;)

It's funny that in another thread ("Early Predictions!"), a couple of months ago or more, everyone was eager to predict the exact :eek: final placement of every team, whereas not even the final rosters of the teams were known.

But.... being optimistic after some preparation games, is plain superficiality.
Seriously?

[Picek]

And yeah, it appears Marko Tomas could be injured... Hope he's OK...it looks like those were only stomach problems..

[sambaras]

I detect a little bias on your side. Why won't Greece be able to improve? They are a new team with a new coach. They need to work on their offence and their chemistry. The ball circulation is much to slow. The guards need to understand their role in the team better. Also, Calathes just played its first games.

There is a lot more work to do. Greece certainly doesn't look ready to me. The good news is that they are getting better game by game. Both defensively and offensively.

I mean your offensive gameplan is ready mainly.Of course you can improve in small things.But mainly i think you are ready.Btw,i'm not biased towards Greek basketball.I have always admired it.But imo you will lack variability in offense because you play so much from Bourusis.That's your only weapon in offense.I don't count Fotsis because he is not the type of player to be a main guy.He is a great role player.I think you need 1-2 Bourusis type player in your squad.

[auris1]

So sloppy
(lith-lat).
Neither team wants to be there as yet

[Silvio]

I think they are thirsty. It has been almost two years since their senior NT won a medal, a year since the young Greek NT won the silver. Two years since the the young Greek NT won gold and silver in EC and WC, and a few whole months since the Greek champion has won the Euroleague for the sixth time.

It's obvious Greek fans are eager to see if this Greek B team will obtain the ticket for the pre-olympic tournament next year, where a stronger Greek squad will be anxious to win a medal.

I don't think Greeks are hungry for success. They're just over the peak, generation that peaked 2006/07 is now on exit.
Yes, they had golden 1990 generation in juniors ... but it produced only Papanikolaou for NT. What happened with Pappas, Sloukas and others? Maybe they'll be late bloomers, we'll see. But for now, they're not looking like they're made of gold - at best they're on level of some not anymore young players that are expected to carry team now.
But how players like Perperoglou, Kaimakoglou or Vougioukas can carry team when in time when Greece won their medals they were good enough for role of 11th or 12th player, at best. Maybe they can carry team ... but not in direction of good result.
Younger than 1990 they only have Chrysikopoulos that is going to be star and NT player, but no one else. Anyway, young blood is not injected except for some American players of Greek origins. Calathes and Koufos are solid, but not some difference makers.

Greeks simply live in denial. They are going to learn what we Croats already learned the hard way:
After period you're up, comes period when you're down. One day you will be up again ... but that day may not come as soon as you hope for.
What I read from Greek posters here is just:
- if Papaloukas returns next summer (yeah, he'll return with 36 years on his back)
- if Sofo clears air with basketball federation (yeah, sure)
- if Diamantidis or Spanoulis rejoin team once (they're not old like Saras, but not young like roses too)

If this, if that, if everywhere ... their minds are everywhere, except in reality ... denial.

However, again lobby managed for very easy draw for Greek NT, thanks to that Greeks will finish as high as 6th or 7th this summer. It will not solve problems, it will just mask it, maybe prolong disillusion for year or two.


And I need no preparation games to form my opinion. If Greeks would lose every preparation game by 20 like Turkey or won each by 20 like Spain, my opinion stays same. It's ridiculous to form opinion on preparation games. It's like if in Formula 1 practice Sauber tries empty tank + faster tyres and goes faster than Ferrari with full tank + slower tyres - then comes "wise analyst" and concludes: from so far available data we must conclude Sauber is definitely faster than Ferrari. Ridiculous. In preparation games, two opposing teams are often in different phase of preparation, almost always coaches of two teams try different things. At same time trying to hide some things from scouts.

[OrgoglioSlavo]

[QUOTE=Silvio;620913]I don't think Greeks are hungry for success. They're just over the peak, generation that peaked 2006/07 is now on exit.
Yes, they had golden 1990 generation in juniors ... but it produced only Papanikolaou for NT. What happened with Pappas, Sloukas and others? Maybe they'll be late bloomers, we'll see. But for now, they're not looking like they're made of gold - at best they're on level of some not anymore young players that are expected to carry team now.
But how players like Perperoglou, Kaimakoglou or Vougioukas can carry team when in time when Greece won their medals they were good enough for role of 11th or 12th player, at best. Maybe they can carry team ... but not in direction of good result.
Younger than 1990 they only have Chrysikopoulos that is going to be star and NT player, but no one else. Anyway, young blood is not injected except for some American players of Greek origins. Calathes and Koufos are solid, but not some difference makers.


man you are a bit angry towards greeks, croatia are supposed to be young and fresh but they will finish way below greece this year, france destroyed them, and croatia is only missing one important palyer, greece, 4..
FORZA RUSSIJA/SRBIJA/ELLAS and my adopted home ITTALLIJJAAA!!!!!!!!!

[Adon]

@ Silvio
You are so fanatic that none can take you seriously:p
Try for a change to support your team and stop ridicule yourself hating others.

[Red 7]

I don't think Greeks are hungry for success. They're just over the peak, generation that peaked 2006/07 is now on exit.
Yes, they had golden 1990 generation in juniors ... but it produced only Papanikolaou for NT. What happened with Pappas, Sloukas and others? Maybe they'll be late bloomers, we'll see. But for now, they're not looking like they're made of gold - at best they're on level of some not anymore young players that are expected to carry team now.
But how players like Perperoglou, Kaimakoglou or Vougioukas can carry team when in time when Greece won their medals they were good enough for role of 11th or 12th player, at best. Maybe they can carry team ... but not in direction of good result.
Younger than 1990 they only have Chrysikopoulos that is going to be star and NT player, but no one else. Anyway, young blood is not injected except for some American players of Greek origins. Calathes and Koufos are solid, but not some difference makers.

Greeks simply live in denial. They are going to learn what we Croats already learned the hard way:
After period you're up, comes period when you're down. One day you will be up again ... but that day may not come as soon as you hope for.
What I read from Greek posters here is just:
- if Papaloukas returns next summer (yeah, he'll return with 36 years on his back)
- if Sofo clears air with basketball federation (yeah, sure)
- if Diamantidis or Spanoulis rejoin team once (they're not old like Saras, but not young like roses too)

If this, if that, if everywhere ... their minds are everywhere, except in reality ... denial.

However, again lobby managed for very easy draw for Greek NT, thanks to that Greeks will finish as high as 6th or 7th this summer. It will not solve problems, it will just mask it, maybe prolong disillusion for year or two.


And I need no preparation games to form my opinion. If Greeks would lose every preparation game by 20 like Turkey or won each by 20 like Spain, my opinion stays same. It's ridiculous to form opinion on preparation games. It's like if in Formula 1 practice Sauber tries empty tank + faster tyres and goes faster than Ferrari with full tank + slower tyres - then comes "wise analyst" and concludes: from so far available data we must conclude Sauber is definitely faster than Ferrari. Ridiculous. In preparation games, two opposing teams are often in different phase of preparation, almost always coaches of two teams try different things. At same time trying to hide some things from scouts.

K. Papanikolaou, Mantzaris, Sloukas, Koufos (main players from the young Greek NT) have been incorporated in this year's NT... so I don't know what you're saying about late bloomers. Especially K. Pap and Koufos have integral roles in this year's NT. Next year Pappas will definitely be integrated as well. I don't know what you are trying to prove. The Greek NT has always relied on its mental and physical toughness in its game, mainly, aggressive defence. We have never relied on our offensive attributes... don't you agree? In the past, we did rely on Diamantidis and Papaloukas, but you can hardly say that they were big offensive threats (OK - maybe Papaloukas with his ability to pass). Overall however our medals came through our defensive efforts. As long as this style of game will continue bringing results, I feel that the Greek NT will be doing well. Maybe not in the medals but definitely in the top 6-8 of competitions (a quarter-final game in these tournaments can be harder than a semi-final game).

Your reference to a Greek lobby fixing group draws is laughable in the least.

Lastly, if you feel that preparation games do not tell us anything about a team's capabilities, please refrain from posting comments in a string of threads labelled PREPARATION GAMES FOR EUROBASKET 2011.

*It is obvious that the Greek NT has made you bitter... and that makes me happy :)

[Silvio]

[QUOTE=Silvio;620913]I don't think Greeks are hungry for success. They're just over the peak, generation that peaked 2006/07 is now on exit.
Yes, they had golden 1990 generation in juniors ... but it produced only Papanikolaou for NT. What happened with Pappas, Sloukas and others? Maybe they'll be late bloomers, we'll see. But for now, they're not looking like they're made of gold - at best they're on level of some not anymore young players that are expected to carry team now.
But how players like Perperoglou, Kaimakoglou or Vougioukas can carry team when in time when Greece won their medals they were good enough for role of 11th or 12th player, at best. Maybe they can carry team ... but not in direction of good result.
Younger than 1990 they only have Chrysikopoulos that is going to be star and NT player, but no one else. Anyway, young blood is not injected except for some American players of Greek origins. Calathes and Koufos are solid, but not some difference makers.


man you are a bit angry towards greeks, croatia are supposed to be young and fresh but they will finish way below greece this year, france destroyed them, and croatia is only missing one important palyer, greece, 4..
FORZA RUSSIJA/SRBIJA/ELLAS and my adopted home ITTALLIJJAAA!!!!!!!!!

What is your problem with Croatia? You quote my post about Greek NT and talk some sh*t about Croatia NT.
Who mentioned Croatia. Me: no. Other posters: no.

I mean: if flag bellow my avatar was Estonian, you would talk some shit about Estonia NT? Or your problem is only with Croatia?

[Kalashnikov]

And I need no preparation games to form my opinion.

Man....you are my hero! You believe something and you go for it! This is what life is all about!

Who gives a damn about facts??? It's the gut feeling that matters! That's the real George W. Bush way!

I'm sorry I have misjudged you.

[hustlerlt]

Lithuania-Latvia game is really boring.When you look at the score 81:71 with 4 minutes left in the last quarter it's just a bunch of fouls and neither team looks interested in the game and the same can be said about the fans that are watching the game at the arena,who are simply terrible.The bad thing is that they're playing in Panevezys,where the group stage for Lithuania will be.

[Silvio]

@ Silvio
You are so fanatic that none can take you seriously:p
Try for a change to support your team and stop ridicule yourself hating others.

I did not start this discussion. You and other Greek posters started it with gloving over win in one preparation game. And win was over no one but champions of not-interested-in-preparation-games attitude Turks.

If I answer to warn it is premature and funny to celebrate it - then I'm "hater" ?

Mere amount of bitter Greek posts to answer my realistic estimation of quality (or better said, lack of it) of this summer's Greek NT shows you deep in your hearts know I'm right ... but you can not admit it to yourself. At least, not yet.

[KWSN-Men]

Man....you are my hero! You believe something and you go for it! This is what life is all about!

Who gives a damn about facts??? It's the gut feeling that matters! That's the real George W. Bush way!

I'm sorry I have misjudged you.

Always trust your gut feeling. It will always get you somewhere (usually the toilet though). :p

[Silvio]

K. Papanikolaou, Mantzaris, Sloukas, Koufos (main players from the young Greek NT) have been incorporated in this year's NT... so I don't know what you're saying about late bloomers. Especially K. Pap and Koufos have integral roles in this year's NT. Next year Pappas will definitely be integrated as well. I don't know what you are trying to prove. The Greek NT has always relied on its mental and physical toughness in its game, mainly, aggressive defence. We have never relied on our offensive attributes... don't you agree? In the past, we did rely on Diamantidis and Papaloukas, but you can hardly say that they were big offensive threats (OK - maybe Papaloukas with his ability to pass). Overall however our medals came through our defensive efforts. As long as this style of game will continue bringing results, I feel that the Greek NT will be doing well. Maybe not in the medals but definitely in the top 6-8 of competitions (a quarter-final game in these tournaments can be harder than a semi-final game).

Your reference to a Greek lobby fixing group draws is laughable in the least.

Lastly, if you feel that preparation games do not tell us anything about a team's capabilities, please refrain from posting comments in a string of threads labelled PREPARATION GAMES FOR EUROBASKET 2011.

*It is obvious that the Greek NT has made you bitter... and that makes me happy :)

That is part of problem. Those young incorporated players are
- nowhere near good as Spanoulis/ DD / Sofo / Papaloukas and will never be (except in case of unlikely late blooming)
- they were well above level players of same age from other European countries in U18/19/20 days ... but are not anymore, not developed as expected

[Victorious]

I don't think Greeks are hungry for success. They're just over the peak, generation that peaked 2006/07 is now on exit.
Yes, they had golden 1990 generation in juniors ... but it produced only Papanikolaou for NT. What happened with Pappas, Sloukas and others? Maybe they'll be late bloomers, we'll see

Late bloomers? :eek: They are only 21. In fact, they are not supposed to be on the senior team yet. They could have been integrated in the team in 2013 and still be considered young talents. I seriously doubt that Diamantidis, Spanoulis etc. could perform just as good as these youngsters are doing now. That's not to say that they will be become just as good, but one can't say they won't be better either. It's just too soon.

BTW this Greek team is on a very high level for 8 straight summers now (9 if you count this one) and frankly, with a full roster, they could go all the way. But if you consider. There is no Papadopoulos, Kakiouzis, Dikoudis, Dimitris Papanikolaou, Chatzivrettas, Alvertis and in 2009 no Diamantidis, Tsartsaris and Papaloukas. That means that in 2009 Greece had already changed 9 players since 2004, 8 players since 2005 (where they won Eurobasket) and in 2009 remained on a high level. So Greece has already switched a generation of players and are still there.

As for anno 2011, the quality to maintain a high level for the next five years is more than enough. Excluding Papaloukas (34), Tsartsaris and Diamantidis (31), there is always Spanoulis, Sofo, Mavrokefalidis, Printezis, Vasilopoulos, Perperoglou and all the players of the current Greek squad. Non of whom played or had an important role in the golden team of 2005.( Spanoulis, Vasilopoulos, Bourousis did not get minutes back then.) That means that Greece has two continuous generations of medal candidate teams.

Conclusion, one Greek generation survived another and Greece still remained a medal contender (full rosters of course). After 4-5 years, when many of these players will be 29 to 34 we'll see whether Greece can continue to maintain a high level for another generation. In any case, Papanikolaou, Calathes and Koufos are already a sure bet.

[Darknemo2000]

Such boring game. And the fans in panevezys are horrible. Lithuania wont feel like playing at home at all with such support - it will be more like neutral arena.

[PDanilovica]

no insults please.
JPF

[Xristos]

Petravicius with 26 :eek:

Will this save him on this team?

[hustlerlt]

Petravicius with 26 :eek:

Will this save him on this team?
Maybe,but I wouldn't be that sure.He made most of his points from the free throw line,because latvian front court is just terrible.He can score like this almost against anyone though,but against Spain and Russia he just dissapeared in defence and rebounding,not being able to keep up with his man,making a lot of fouls and just not being to rebound at all.

[Picek]

K. Papanikolaou, Mantzaris, Sloukas, Koufos (main players from the young Greek NT) have been incorporated in this year's NT...
well, Pappas has been the engine behind the young team success in previous years.. and he is nowhere near the NT..
not even now when DD, Papaloukas and Spanoulis are out of the picture..

[basketfann]

Maybe,but I wouldn't be that sure.He made most of his points from the free throw line,because latvian front court is just terrible.He can score like this almost against anyone though,but against Spain and Russia he just dissapeared in defence and rebounding,not being able to keep up with his man,making a lot of fouls and just not being to rebound at all.

Latvian centers are 22,21,20 years old. Too young for eurobasket...


Five years ago, we had NBA center, Euroleague center, 3 Uleb cup level centers.

[Kalashnikov]

well, Pappas has been the engine behind the young team success in previous years.. and he is nowhere near the NT..
not even now when DD, Papaloukas and Spanoulis are out of the picture..

Pappas was in the pre-selection last year! This year he didn't perform that well, hence he wasn't called. But, next year he will be playing in ACB and he will be able to gain much more experience and hopefully get better.

Which reminds me...why isn't Delas in the Croatian team?

[hustlerlt]

Latvian centers are 22,21,20 years old. Too young for eurobasket...


Five years ago, we have NBA center, Euroleague center, 3 Uleb cup level centers.
And exactly that's why Petravicius dominated under the baset today.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Spain - Slovenia 73-61
Gasol bros. 15 and 14, Navarro 9, Calderon 9; Smodiš 11, Dragič bros. 11 and 10

Well, Spanish loss to Lithuania was no fluke. I know rotations aren't up to the upmost level yet, but still Spain lacks that incredible fluency, that got all of the opponents frustrated that heavily, they always had with all championships where they were succesfull, including the preparation periods. I remember them dominating that heavily you'd almost start a petition for them to take some mercy at their opponent. 2nd game in a row I saw with being far from that stage. If that fluency isn't there tommorow, than Russia will slowely be replacing Spain as no.1 gold favourite in my book, no matter the names in both teams... Russia seems to have it this time...
Slovenia was terrible from the FT line 7/20, but okay, that can be fixed. Organisation of some set plays still took way too long. Trying to decrease the TO's due to playing too hastly, the time nearly ran out on 4 possesions :rolleyes: Defense inside the paint... well, since everybody are saying every team is hideing their strong points, I'd be more than glad if NT Slovenia was actually good with boxing out and just hiding it so far :D

As for the refereeing :D I am proud at our guys most of the time reacting with cynical smiles only, thinking more about the game than referees.
As none of the players reacted with more than a smile and occasional indiferent coursing of spanish ref's mother, majority of people won't even notice anything happening. See Kwijibo, here's the thing that can in most occasions be damn misleading when it comes to refereeing - players reactions :cool:

[Silvio]

Montenegro - New Zealand 78-72
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/8416/03/88/53/52Vx87HU5kmEY/
Pekovic 23 pts on 7/11 FG and 9/10 FT with 7 rebounds, Dragicevic 10 pts, Omar Cook 10 pts with 6 ast.
Kirk Penney 26 pts with usually sick 3-poitners: 5/6, added 5 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl. Vukona 13.

In 2 days Pekovic 23.0 ppg and 6.0 rpg, 70% FG (14/20) and sick 18/19 free throws, hit 18 in a row, then missed last.
With their thin backcourt rotation, Montenegro can go as far as their frontcourt carries them. Their numero uno in frontcourt is Pekovic (Minnesota Timberwolves) . After looking a bit rusty in first games at Adecco tournament in Slovenia, Pekovic now looks beastly again.


After 2 decades no Pero Cameron :(

[Victorious]

Spain - Slovenia 73-61
Gasol bros. 15 and 14, Navarro 9, Calderon 9; Smodiš 11, Dragič bros. 11 and 10


I have the feeling that the group Russia, Slovenia, Greece, Montenegro is not so easy as it seems. B&H can also guarantee for a surprise.

[pimpekaustas]

what a horrible game by croatia against france. we don't have a pg, our centers are hilarious, defence don't exist, bye bye olimpics for croatia :(

[plato-ny]

2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2010 - 11th

Now make graph of it and see how it looks.
Then imagine what happens if downfall trend continues ... and start crying
Funny how you omit Greece's 3rd place at Eurobasket 2009 simply because it doesn't suit your argument. Instead of referring to Greece's 3rd place at Eurobasket 2009 as "a lucky punch", how about referring to Greece's 11th place finish at FIBA WC 2010 as an "aberration"?

Since you make reference to graphs, if you omit Greece's 2010 FIBA WC finish, the graph looks more consistent:

2005 - 5th
2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2009 - 3rd

For the Croatia NT, if you omit the 14th place finish at FIBA WC 2010 and the 2006 finish, the graph looks more consistent for them as well:

2005 - 7th
2007 - 6th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 6th

Taking into account the 2006 FIBA WC 2010 finish where they didnt qualify, Croatia bounced back after that and finished in the Top 6 three years in a row. So, because Greece reached 11th last year, therefore, they can't bounce back? Croatia finished worse than Greece last year (14th) but they can bounce back as well. Heck, you have Croatians here at the forum who think they can win it all!

The question is can Croatia reach a semifinal after 16 years? Greece has won medals and reached semis quite a bit during that time.

[Z.A.L.I.A.]

Petravicius with 26 :eek:

Will this save him on this team?

Don't really know why do you think that he is so bad. I'd surely put him in front of D. Lavrinovič and P. Jankūnas. He has a really good body - he is one of those old-fashioned centers that likes to (and can) play back to the basket. On defense he is tough as well. Not everyone can push him there. However he lacks some speed. This sometimes hurts the team, but then again looking at the rest of our bigs he is doing really fine there as well (and most importantly he can be much better). I still remember when some years ago (last year? don't really remember) he stopped (more or less from dominating under the basket) Y. Ming. I'd be surprised (and really angry) if Kemzūra will cut him.

[Red 7]

That is part of problem. Those young incorporated players are
- nowhere near good as Spanoulis/ DD / Sofo / Papaloukas and will never be (except in case of unlikely late blooming)
- they were well above level players of same age from other European countries in U18/19/20 days ... but are not anymore, not developed as expected

Man! You said previously that there are no young players incorporated in the NT and now you are saying that this is part of the problem..... ??? In what age did Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas become great players?? In their mid twenties!! In my opinion SOFO is not a great player... but that is just my opinion..

K Pap - 21 years old. Just finished a season where he was in the starting line up of a top four Euroleague team... He is young and will get better.

Sloukas - 21 years old. Just finished a season where he was in the starting line up of Aris (finished 4th in the Greek Championship). He was actually voted as the most improved youngster in the Greek Championship (above Nick Calathes). Now he will be a main player for Olympiakos next season. He is young and will get better.

Koufos - 21 years old. Plays in the NBA. This boy has suffered major changes in the past 2-3 years because coaches changed the position that he plays in. He has been training as a C (which was not his natural position)... and he will only improve. (he is actually one of the best players in the preparation games).

I do agree with you that Greece has less quality than it did in previous years. The quality in previous years was focused on our 3 great guards (Spanoulis, DD, Papaloukas). In previous years we had big problems with our inside game... where we only had either L. Papadopoulos or Bourousis or Tsartsaris playing as our main C in different years. This year our front court game is pretty strong and definitely much stronger than in previous years... Fotsis, Bourousis, Koufos, Kaimakoglou, Vougioukas, Mavroidis (don't know if i'm forgetting anyone).

People expect the Greek NT to fail this year because of the major changes. Anything above 8th place will be considered to be a success.

[Jon_Koncak]

Koufos - 21 years old. Plays in the NBA. This boy has suffered major changes in the past 2-3 years because coaches changed the position that he plays in. He has been training as a C (which was not his natural position)... and he will only improve. (he is actually one of the best players in the preparation games).

.

I don't know what his position in kindergarden was but since high school he's always been playing as a center.

[Vilnietis]

Such boring game. And the fans in panevezys are horrible. Lithuania wont feel like playing at home at all with such support - it will be more like neutral arena.

There was no Seed with his mates, that's why Panevėžys fans were so horrible, or maybe just shy.

[Dreamcatcher]

There was no Seed with his mates, that's why Panevėžys fans were so horrible, or maybe just shy.

It's because of a cycle treck.

[Red 7]

I don't know what his position in kindergarden was but since high school he's always been playing as a center.

Yes you are right. I meant that he used to be a more versatile player. Could easily play in the PF/C positions. Had plastic moves, a good mid-range jumper, flexibility etc. Now he got conditioned into being one of your 'run-of-the-mill' bulky NBA centres. From a player who could make a real difference he got turned into a role player...

[KWSN-Men]

LOL, nice instructions by Zouros...

[Remon]

Zouros using some "nice" words to describe our game on that time out.

BTW, what happened with the fucking cover of Conn-x TV? They're showing yesterdays game with Germany right now.

Sorry, even worse, it's showing the Germany Belgium game.

[Vilnietis]

It's because of a cycle treck.

Kiddin'? Cycle treck makes people quiet? No chants - no sound, and cycle treck has nothing to do with it.

[Adon]

LOL, nice instructions by Zouros...

lol yes :D... but he was right.

(edit)
the Belgians look already disappointed
...and Vougioukas sucks:(

[Remon]

bad game from calathes, really bad.

[Adon]

"Don't panic!" said the Belgian coach :D

[Darknemo2000]

Kiddin'? Cycle treck makes people quiet? No chants - no sound, and cycle treck has nothing to do with it.

There were some chants actually, the problem is thet because of the treck the fans split apart by a considerable distance making those who are close to the court too few to make it well heard and those who are on the other side of treck too far. It doenst change that the fans were passive though, but the treck does indeed make the support worse as well.

[Adon]

very boring game. Even the players of both teams look bored and indifferent.

[gockun]

is there any link for gre-bel game? or which tv channel?

[Kalashnikov]

is there any link for gre-bel game? or which tv channel?

i'm watching at http://greekhoopz.blogspot.com/2011/08/1530.html

[Adon]

is there any link for gre-bel game? or which tv channel?

http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/8/134/v-293469.html

[Xristos]

Koufos has improved very much over the course of the preparation games. Showing very athletic and powerful moves in the paint

I want to see the team like this
Calathes - Xanthopoulos - Sloukas
Zisis - Vasileiadis
Papanikolaou - Bramos
Fotsis - Kaimakoglou
Bourousis - Koufos - Mavroeidis

[gockun]

thanks both

[Silvio]

Funny how you omit Greece's 3rd place at Eurobasket 2009 simply because it doesn't suit your argument. Instead of referring to Greece's 3rd place at Eurobasket 2009 as "a lucky punch", how about referring to Greece's 11th place finish at FIBA WC 2010 as an "aberration"?

Since you make reference to graphs, if you omit Greece's 2010 FIBA WC finish, the graph looks more consistent:

2005 - 5th
2006 - 2nd
2007 - 4th
2008 - 5th
2009 - 3rd

For the Croatia NT, if you omit the 14th place finish at FIBA WC 2010 and the 2006 finish, the graph looks more consistent for them as well:

2005 - 7th
2007 - 6th
2008 - 6th
2009 - 6th

Taking into account the 2006 FIBA WC 2010 finish where they didnt qualify, Croatia bounced back after that and finished in the Top 6 three years in a row. So, because Greece reached 11th last year, therefore, they can't bounce back? Croatia finished worse than Greece last year (14th) but they can bounce back as well. Heck, you have Croatians here at the forum who think they can win it all!

The question is can Croatia reach a semifinal after 16 years? Greece has won medals and reached semis quite a bit during that time.


In 2010 Greece was trashed by Turkey and Spain, lost to Russia, had problems with Puerto Rico and China sans Yao.
Played bad in almost all games = 11th is not aberration

In 2009 Greece only wins against strong teams were vs
Turkey - very tired at that moment
Slovenia - tired + multiple injuries during tournament
=> 3rd place overachievement (not big one, was pretty weak tournament, Greece realistically was 5th best team)


Croatia really does not have anything with that. You have no arguments, you see my flag is Croatian, so instead of arguments you write Croatia is bad team and will not be in semifinals. I know my team sucks, I don't need you tell me that. Question is : what if my flag was Antigua one? Or Saint Kitts and Nevis? What would then be your arguments?

[Silvio]

I don't know what his position in kindergarden was but since high school he's always been playing as a center.

Koufos sucked big time in NBA. He could not crack rotation even with multiple injuries of his teammates.

But he was dominant one year playing for Greece U18 (2007 ?) . So we all know he is great talent and he has big upside. Hopefully sitting on bench will not ruin his potentially good career. He would much better progress in Europe, but with so much money on table ... who wouldn't accept NBA offer? I know I would :D

[Xristos]

What a dunk by De Zeeuw :eek:

[Kalashnikov]

I'd like to inform you all, there is an ignorelist (http://forums.interbasket.net/profile.php?do=ignorelist) available and you should prefer using that, compared to offensive commentaries.
JPF

[Xristos]

Koufos 12 points, 11 rebounds :)
Fotsis 12, Kaimakoglou 10


Hervelle takes too many shots

[KWSN-Men]

In 2010 Greece was trashed by Turkey and Spain, lost to Russia, had problems with Puerto Rico and China sans Yao.
Played bad in almost all games = 11th is not aberration

In 2009 Greece only wins against strong teams were vs
Turkey - very tired at that moment
Slovenia - tired + multiple injuries during tournament
=> 3rd place overachievement (not big one, was pretty weak tournament, Greece realistically was 5th best team)


Croatia really does not have anything with that. You have no arguments, you see my flag is Croatian, so instead of arguments you write Croatia is bad team and will not be in semifinals. I know my team sucks, I don't need you tell me that. Question is : what if my flag was Antigua one? Or Saint Kitts and Nevis? What would then be your arguments?

In 2009 Turkey was tired... In 2010 Turke trashed Greece...

You're a sad person...

[madmax]

nice to see Koufos finally playing up to his potential;)
I always liked this guy and with Bourousis alongside him Greece will be formiddable opponent to any frontline in EC

[Silvio]

Man! You said previously that there are no young players incorporated in the NT and now you are saying that this is part of the problem..... ??? In what age did Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas become great players?? In their mid twenties!! In my opinion SOFO is not a great player... but that is just my opinion..

K Pap - 21 years old. Just finished a season where he was in the starting line up of a top four Euroleague team... He is young and will get better.

Sloukas - 21 years old. Just finished a season where he was in the starting line up of Aris (finished 4th in the Greek Championship). He was actually voted as the most improved youngster in the Greek Championship (above Nick Calathes). Now he will be a main player for Olympiakos next season. He is young and will get better.

Koufos - 21 years old. Plays in the NBA. This boy has suffered major changes in the past 2-3 years because coaches changed the position that he plays in. He has been training as a C (which was not his natural position)... and he will only improve. (he is actually one of the best players in the preparation games).

I do agree with you that Greece has less quality than it did in previous years. The quality in previous years was focused on our 3 great guards (Spanoulis, DD, Papaloukas). In previous years we had big problems with our inside game... where we only had either L. Papadopoulos or Bourousis or Tsartsaris playing as our main C in different years. This year our front court game is pretty strong and definitely much stronger than in previous years... Fotsis, Bourousis, Koufos, Kaimakoglou, Vougioukas, Mavroidis (don't know if i'm forgetting anyone).

People expect the Greek NT to fail this year because of the major changes. Anything above 8th place will be considered to be a success.

I would really like to see Your great 1990 generation develops well. Nik Kalathes and Koufous from 1989 too. I admit I'm exaggerating with my doomsday predictions about Greek NT ... it is because so many Greek posters here are overly optimistic about your NT team future with no arguments but something like "we always somehow managed to overcome difficulties". That's wishful thinking, not arguments.


2013 after London:
All of your main players will be 30+ years old. Papaloukas and Tsartsaris granpas, capable only for few quality minutes (see under Saras).
Those not in 30's but in late 20's: Schortsanitis / Printezis / Perperoglou / Vougioukas :
no leader among them, no player able to create for themselves, players that thrives when playing of the stars.

I see big hole between YOB 1983 and YOB 1989. Young players should graduate to valuable NT members, and they should do it fast;
1989 Calathes, Nick
1989 Koufos, Kosta
1990 Pappas, Nikolaos
1990 Papanikolaou, Kostas
1990 Sloukas, Kostas
1990 Mantzaris, Evangelos
1992 Chrysikopoulos, Linos

If they all live up to expectations, in few years we will see again very strong Greek NT, those talented youngsters surrounded with few reliable veterans.
But problem is I don't see things going that way at this moment. And it is not usual that exactly all young players from one country develop to high senior level. Those young players must take over, they must be ready to be backbone of NT (maybe not in 2013 already, but before Olympics 2016 for sure). If that doesn't happen, then you're doomed. Then you will fall to level of Croatia (or even bellow, if we get rid of awful coach and idiotic president).

In short:
only Greek hope are those 1989-1990 players, in 1984-1988 there are only role players, in 1991-1995 only one player raises eyebrows.



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[gockun]

guys we need to find a huge place for Hedo's ego. :mad:

[Victorious]

1988 Dan Mavraides SG
1989 Calathes, Nick PG
1989 Koufos, Kosta C
1990 Pappas, Nikolaos SG
1990 Papanikolaou, Kostas SF
1990 Sloukas, Kostas PG
1990 Mantzaris, Evangelos PG SG
1991 Dimitrios Katsivelis SG
1992 Chrysikopoulos, Linos SF PF

Well, we are filled with guards. Players like Bogris better show what they are made of.

[inefeswetrust]

turks watching this link;
http://video.cnnturk.com/canli-yayin
instead of this link;
http://www.voleyboltv.com/

are all pathetic :D

[gockun]

hack a Asık :(

[KWSN-Men]

1988 Dan Mavraides SG
1989 Calathes, Nick PG
1989 Koufos, Kosta C
1990 Pappas, Nikolaos SG
1990 Papanikolaou, Kostas SF
1990 Sloukas, Kostas PG
1990 Mantzaris, Evangelos PG SG
1991 Dimitrios Katsivelis SG
1992 Chrysikopoulos, Linos SF PF

Well, we are filled with guards. Players like Bogris better show what they are made of.

This is the highest Bogris can go.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lWH7LlhiNVw/TWdivIZdQ_I/AAAAAAAAAP4/UTwD0SAEhyw/s1600/kokkinou.jpg

Nowhere near a basketball player, although his body is not bad.

[inefeswetrust]

http://sinopalem.com/bysamsun/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/black_hole_milkyway.jpg

ERSAN ILYASOVA

http://www.libersite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/rouge-black-hole.jpg

EMIR PRELDZIC

kick those guys out of the squad, especially preldzic, i never wanted him in Turkish NT..

[SaliH]

Damn, the turks are pathetic...

Germany 64:52 Turkey

[gockun]

kick those guys out of the squad, especially preldzic, i never wanted him in Turkish NT..

ohh really the problem is that guys when we kick them out sure our national team will save the world.

[Adon]

What's wrong with those guys? They are better than that :confused:

[gockun]

What's wrong with those guys? They are better than that :confused: i wish Ene knows that questions answer. cause we dont.:(

[Debord]

The only nice thing for turks was Enes Kanter's performance today.

Other than that there is something seriously wrong with Hedo and Ersan. They sucked BIG TIME.

And one note for the coach, playing without a pg won't work. This is not fenerbahce and everytime emir tries to play the pg we end up facing a lovely fast-break.

And no sets against zone defence? Seriously coach? seriously?

[hustlerlt]

The only nice thing for turks was Enes Kanter's performance today.

Other than that there is something seriously wrong with Hedo and Ersan. They sucked BIG TIME.

And one note for the coach, playing without a pg won't work. This is not fenerbahce and everytime emir tries to play the pg we end up facing a lovely fast-break.

And no sets against zone defence? Seriously coach? seriously?
What were Kanter's stats?Couldn't see the game,but I would like to know how he did,because after all Germany's front court is pretty good with Kaman and Nowitzki,or didn't they play?

[Debord]

What were Kanter's stats?Couldn't see the game,but I would like to know how he did,because after all Germany's front court is pretty good with Kaman and Nowitzki,or didn't they play?

No they played and nowitzki was the mvp.

Kanter made 12pts/4 rbs. He is gonna be great, maybe not this eurobasket but later for sure.

[melizei]

What were Kanter's stats?Couldn't see the game,but I would like to know how he did,because after all Germany's front court is pretty good with Kaman and Nowitzki,or didn't they play?

12 points and 4 rebounds. Kaman and Nowitzki played in the game.

[Overthetop]

The only nice thing for turks was Enes Kanter's performance today.

But still he's not ready and he won't be too, for Eurocup 2011... That guy strain to run away from Fenerbahçe Ülker now we see that he's not capable to challenge higher level currently. Nevertheless, no matter, he'll be one of the most important trumps of our team in the within a few years.

[FIBA Europe Basket]

1988 Dan Mavraides SG
1989 Calathes, Nick PG
1989 Koufos, Kosta C
1990 Pappas, Nikolaos SG
1990 Papanikolaou, Kostas SF
1990 Sloukas, Kostas PG
1990 Mantzaris, Evangelos PG SG
1991 Dimitrios Katsivelis SG
1992 Chrysikopoulos, Linos SF PF

Well, we are filled with guards. Players like Bogris better show what they are made of.

If you took the 1989 and under Greek team (in USA only college age and high school age players) then Greece would have a team something like this:

PG Nick Calathes/Kostas Sloukas/Sokratis Psaropoulos
SG Nikos Pappas/Dimitris Katsivelis/Vangelis Mantzaris
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Vladimir Jankovic/Haris Giannopoulos
PF Linos Chrysikopoulos/Leonidas Kaselakis/Georgios Georgakis
C Kosta Koufos/Georgios Bogris/Zisis Sarikopoulos

Then you still have Spyros Motsenigos and Manolis Koukalas that could also be options at point guard and power forward. It's not bad. In fact, it is as good as any young team of Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Spain, Lithuania, France, or any other European country. It may be better than any of them.

Plus there is Ioannis Sinnis, who is a small forward. I am not sure what the situation with him is since he seems to not play for the junior teams, but the guy has the talent. He could definitely be a very good player. So there is yet another option there.


Then there are other young players that could possibly turn into something like Alex Vougioukas, Spyros Mourtos, Ioannis Karathanasis, Nondas Papantonio, Alfa Fasengas, Andreas Kanonidis, Apollon Deligeorgis, Elefteris Bochoridis, Kyprianos Magkounis, Manolis Tselentakis, Tasos Antonakis, Giannoulis Larentzakis, Fotios Zoumpos, Ioannis Dimakopoulos, Michalis Liapis, Georgios Diamantakis, Efthimis Tsakaleris, etc......

Who knows if any of them pan out, but there could be some good players from there eventually.

Then Sylvio says Greece has nothing between 1983 (Nikos Zisis) and 1989 (Kosta Koufos and Nick Calathes)..........

Vassilis Xanthopoulos -1984
Stratos Perperoglou - 1984
Dimitris Mavroeidis - 1985
Ian Vougioukas - 1985
Pat Calathes - 1985
Dimitris Verginis - 1987
Michael Bramos - 1987
Alexis Sigounas - 1988
Igor Milosevic - 1987
Gerogios Printezis - 1985
Georgios Apostolidis - 1984
Dusan Sakota - 1986
Kostas Vasileiadis - 1984
Panos Vasilopoulos - 1984
Dan Mavraides - 1988
Steve Panos - 1988

There may not be any huge stars there, but from 1984 to 1989, there is Stratos Perperoglou, Pat Calathes, Michael Bramos, Georgios Printezis, Kostas Vasileiadis, and Panos Vasilopoulos. That is 7 players that have already shown the ability that they could be contributors to the Greek national team. Even though Zouros may not like Pat Calathes, he definitely has the talent (more talented than his brother Nick is) to be a national team player.

I don't know but I would not consider Perperoglou, Pat Calathes, Bramos, Printezis, Vasileiadis, Vasilopoulos to be "nothing". That's pretty good for 1984 to 1989.

Plus, there other Greek players that are older (but still young enough to be considered - 1980 and later) that have not been used but could still be like:

Dimitris Tsaldaris
Marios Batis
Manolis Papamakarios
Alexis Kyritsis
Georgios Dedas
Christos Tapoutos

Then there are still guys like Michalis Pelekanos and Loukas Mavrokefalidis (it is not official that he is out of the team) that certainly could be used.

Then we have people acting like just because Schortsanitis and Spanoulis are not playing now, that somehow they quit the team and will not play again. Where do people come up with this nonsense? Both of them will be back with the team. It's hilarious seeing people claim they are out of the team now. They are not.

I am sorry, but somehow out of all of these players, and the ones that Greece has on the team now like Fotsis, Zisis, Bourousis, Kaimakoglou, etc.....I am sure that Greece will be just fine.

Greece has MORE DEPTH than Spain. They have a better young generation than pretty much any other European country, AND they have the ability to compete even with 2nd and 3rd teams.

All this nonsense about Greece going down is total BS. The TRUTH is that what happened in 2010 was that Kazlauskas and Diamantidis ruined the team. That is it. That is the truth of the matter and now they are both gone. Greece has plenty to stay as a competitive team.

Even as people can see, a guy like Xanthopoulos, that is just a 3rd string PG on Panathinaikos, or a 2nd string PG on Panellinios, is more than capable of being a third guard, or 11-12 man on the national team. And there are many such more players like this.

Hell, a guy like Batis is much better than Xanthopoulos is and he has never even been called to the national team. Sure, there are very few "stars" among these players, but there are plenty of guys that can help a team.

Greece only has had Galis, Giannakis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Spanoulis in its entire history that were true stars. Guys like Rentzias, Bourousis, Fotsis, Christodolou, Sofo - guys like that are not true stars at the international level. Neither will be Koufos or Nick Calathes (no matter how many delusional PAO Calathes nut riders exist).

And in fact, Papaloukas and Diamantidis were never offensive stars. Never could score and Diamantidis was never half as good with the national team as he was with PAO.

That leaves Galis, Giannakis, Spanoulis - 3 players in Greece's history that were true stars at the international level. THREE. That is it. Three in all time of Greek basketball. Yet, somehow Greece has managed good results even in times when none of them were playing, or were not big factors. Because Greek basketball plays as a team, and not like a bunch of selfish individuals like France for example.

People are just not with the reality of how good the league in Greece is and how good the Greek player development system is. It is much better than people want to admit.

Greece is staying as at least a quarterfinal level EuroBasket team for many years to come. PERIOD. All of this talk about how Greece is done being a good national team is ridiculous and its really getting old.

Greece's 3rd team can beat most of the 1st teams of Europe. And losing Diamantidis was a good thing, because he has just become a prima donna and a big distraction to the whole team. Somehow, Greece will always manage to find 8-10 good players to be on its national team every summer, whether some people like it or not, it is true.

[Debord]

But still he's not ready and he won't be too, for Eurocup 2011... That guy strain to run away from Fenerbahçe Ülker now we see that he's not capable to challenge higher level currently. Nevertheless, no matter, he'll be one of the most important trumps of our team in the within a few years.

if he plays more or less like he played today, it would be more than enough for us. No huge expectation from him at the moment like you said.

[euskadi]

If you took the 1989 and under Greek team (in USA only college age and high school age players) then Greece would have a team something like this:

PG Nick Calathes/Kostas Sloukas/Sokratis Psaropoulos
SG Nikos Pappas/Dimitris Katsivelis/Vangelis Mantzaris
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Vladimir Jankovic/Haris Giannopoulos
PF Linos Chrysikopoulos/Leonidas Kaselakis/Georgios Georgakis
C Kosta Koufos/Georgios Bogris/Zisis Sarikopoulos

Then you still have Spyros Motsenigos and Manolis Koukalas that could also be options at point guard and power forward. It's not bad. In fact, it is as good as any young team of Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Spain, Lithuania, France, or any other European country. It may be better than any of them.



and this is his point exactly. this is level of croatian senior team. good solid players fighting for 4. - 8. places. unless some of those players suddenly become superstar

spain, turkey, croatia, serbia, france and lithuania have at least same level of most players plus projected superstars like mirotic, valanciunas, kanter, saric and hezonja, micic and cvetkovic, fournier... and couple other players.

of course there is the possibility that greece have som extra talent ( in 96., 97..... years ).

point is, you dont have players like spanulis, diamantidis or papalukas in sight. and those players make difference between good solid teams and medal contenders

[Adon]

I (and many other members) had underestimated France. They are definitely a medal contender. Poor Serbs look desperate. HT 48-31 for France.

[Alyosha12]

I like our defense but our offense is still abysmal... We get a lot of open looks, and Dragic creates a ton, but the guys are just not hitting their shots.

That was a nice spin and dunk by Dragic though. I hope someone puts it on youtube:D

[Jon_Koncak]

Fiba Europe,you are just listing every single greek professional player under 30 there,what's the point..Dedas,Apostolidis,Panos,Magounis(wtf?) Have you actually watched them..those are spanish LEB level players at best..actually Dedas was indeed playing in LEB for 2 seasons averaging sth like 3 points per game.And those great junior players who failed miserably in every youth competition this summer

anyway the french underachievers steam roll over Serbia so far..

[kololoco]

If you took the 1989 and under Greek team (in USA only college age and high school age players) then Greece would have a team something like this:

PG Nick Calathes/Kostas Sloukas/Sokratis Psaropoulos
SG Nikos Pappas/Dimitris Katsivelis/Vangelis Mantzaris
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Vladimir Jankovic/Haris Giannopoulos
PF Linos Chrysikopoulos/Leonidas Kaselakis/Georgios Georgakis
C Kosta Koufos/Georgios Bogris/Zisis Sarikopoulos

Then you still have Spyros Motsenigos and Manolis Koukalas that could also be options at point guard and power forward. It's not bad. In fact, it is as good as any young team of Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Spain, Lithuania, France, or any other European country. It may be better than any of them.

Plus there is Ioannis Sinnis, who is a small forward. I am not sure what the situation with him is since he seems to not play for the junior teams, but the guy has the talent. He could definitely be a very good player. So there is yet another option there.


Then there are other young players that could possibly turn into something like Alex Vougioukas, Spyros Mourtos, Ioannis Karathanasis, Nondas Papantonio, Alfa Fasengas, Andreas Kanonidis, Apollon Deligeorgis, Elefteris Bochoridis, Kyprianos Magkounis, Manolis Tselentakis, Tasos Antonakis, Giannoulis Larentzakis, Fotios Zoumpos, Ioannis Dimakopoulos, Michalis Liapis, Georgios Diamantakis, Efthimis Tsakaleris, etc......

Who knows if any of them pan out, but there could be some good players from there eventually.

Then Sylvio says Greece has nothing between 1983 (Nikos Zisis) and 1989 (Kosta Koufos and Nick Calathes)..........

Vassilis Xanthopoulos -1984
Stratos Perperoglou - 1984
Dimitris Mavroeidis - 1985
Ian Vougioukas - 1985
Pat Calathes - 1985
Dimitris Verginis - 1987
Michael Bramos - 1987
Alexis Sigounas - 1988
Igor Milosevic - 1987
Gerogios Printezis - 1985
Georgios Apostolidis - 1984
Dusan Sakota - 1986
Kostas Vasileiadis - 1984
Panos Vasilopoulos - 1984
Dan Mavraides - 1988
Steve Panos - 1988

There may not be any huge stars there, but from 1984 to 1989, there is Stratos Perperoglou, Pat Calathes, Michael Bramos, Georgios Printezis, Kostas Vasileiadis, and Panos Vasilopoulos. That is 7 players that have already shown the ability that they could be contributors to the Greek national team. Even though Zouros may not like Pat Calathes, he definitely has the talent (more talented than his brother Nick is) to be a national team player.

I don't know but I would not consider Perperoglou, Pat Calathes, Bramos, Printezis, Vasileiadis, Vasilopoulos to be "nothing". That's pretty good for 1984 to 1989.

Plus, there other Greek players that are older (but still young enough to be considered - 1980 and later) that have not been used but could still be like:

Dimitris Tsaldaris
Marios Batis
Manolis Papamakarios
Alexis Kyritsis
Georgios Dedas
Christos Tapoutos

Then there are still guys like Michalis Pelekanos and Loukas Mavrokefalidis (it is not official that he is out of the team) that certainly could be used.

Then we have people acting like just because Schortsanitis and Spanoulis are not playing now, that somehow they quit the team and will not play again. Where do people come up with this nonsense? Both of them will be back with the team. It's hilarious seeing people claim they are out of the team now. They are not.

I am sorry, but somehow out of all of these players, and the ones that Greece has on the team now like Fotsis, Zisis, Bourousis, Kaimakoglou, etc.....I am sure that Greece will be just fine.

Greece has MORE DEPTH than Spain. They have a better young generation than pretty much any other European country, AND they have the ability to compete even with 2nd and 3rd teams.

All this nonsense about Greece going down is total BS. The TRUTH is that what happened in 2010 was that Kazlauskas and Diamantidis ruined the team. That is it. That is the truth of the matter and now they are both gone. Greece has plenty to stay as a competitive team.

Even as people can see, a guy like Xanthopoulos, that is just a 3rd string PG on Panathinaikos, or a 2nd string PG on Panellinios, is more than capable of being a third guard, or 11-12 man on the national team. And there are many such more players like this.

Hell, a guy like Batis is much better than Xanthopoulos is and he has never even been called to the national team. Sure, there are very few "stars" among these players, but there are plenty of guys that can help a team.

Greece only has had Galis, Giannakis, Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Spanoulis in its entire history that were true stars. Guys like Rentzias, Bourousis, Fotsis, Christodolou, Sofo - guys like that are not true stars at the international level. Neither will be Koufos or Nick Calathes (no matter how many delusional PAO Calathes nut riders exist).

And in fact, Papaloukas and Diamantidis were never offensive stars. Never could score and Diamantidis was never half as good with the national team as he was with PAO.

That leaves Galis, Giannakis, Spanoulis - 3 players in Greece's history that were true stars at the international level. THREE. That is it. Three in all time of Greek basketball. Yet, somehow Greece has managed good results even in times when none of them were playing, or were not big factors. Because Greek basketball plays as a team, and not like a bunch of selfish individuals like France for example.

People are just not with the reality of how good the league in Greece is and how good the Greek player development system is. It is much better than people want to admit.

Greece is staying as at least a quarterfinal level EuroBasket team for many years to come. PERIOD. All of this talk about how Greece is done being a good national team is ridiculous and its really getting old.

Greece's 3rd team can beat most of the 1st teams of Europe. And losing Diamantidis was a good thing, because he has just become a prima donna and a big distraction to the whole team. Somehow, Greece will always manage to find 8-10 good players to be on its national team every summer, whether some people like it or not, it is true.

I didnt read:)))))

[kololoco]

I (and many other members) had underestimated France. They are definitely a medal contender. Poor Serbs look desperate. HT 48-31 for France.

I am proud to say that I am one of a few that did not underestimate the French. I also overestimated my countrymen so nobodys perfect:)

[Picek]

"yugoslavian" teams aren't looking too good..
I dare to say that out of all yugoslav teams we currently look the best..
and we are not where we are supposed to be by now so that statement surely isn't good for anyone..

[KWSN-Men]

That leaves Galis, Giannakis, Spanoulis - 3 players in Greece's history that were true stars at the international level.

I didn't read all the horseshit, but OMG, my eyes caught this and it is hilarious... :D

[Adon]

That's why I didn't trust France initially. When they play well, they are the most spectacular European NT. They have a great roster but they are undisciplined and frivolous as a team.

[Picek]

That's why I didn't trust France initially. When they play well, they are the most spectacular European NT. They have a great roster but they are undisciplined and frivolous as a team.they have a bad coach..
that is it..
if anything, french first five showed it's strength to turn the game around again once they were back on court..

[Srle]

We are terrible I don't expect a lot this year but boy we needed kick in our butt. What a comeback. Paunic and Marjanovic have to be in Lithuania:)

[Joško Poljak Fan]

loss by 22 to Spain

yet... wasn't that bad. First there were some stupidities as flagrant fouls and some Jaka "the psychic" Lakovič passing the ball to where Slokar might be in few seconds period :D of course Spain is too good for that, got on +10, while even if 30 minutes can be played perfectly, of course there's 5 minutes of sudden blackout for 17-0 Spanish run.

But yet, just as 17-3 run for 53-50 isn't something to judge about Spain, considering they had no answer to zone defense they'll definately be able to crack in eurobasket performances, the final result can't offer the precise picture of Slovenia's performance neither.

Spain basicaly played pretty well for the most parts of the game, I won't be considering Russia as the favourites for gold as I've said yesterday, Spain had it today for most of the time, nice inside-out game, good execution with fast breaks and as always their signature fast pace passing game. Rubio definately wasn't missed.
Slovenia had some nice passing game, great defense considering the opponent for 30 minute scratch... obviously they specificaly wanted to improve boxing out (hence my yesterday's wish came true :D ) and were numericaly equal on rebounding with Spanish.

The basic rotation of 8 players can play equal to anyone... Jagodnik and Udrih have some ups and downs, from which the whole picture depends a lot, while there is only ... one... Mirza Begić :D
Slovenia seems to be improving in quite some segments, yet we're still one rotation spot short for as long tournament as this eurobasket will be... Nachbar is really missed.

[Kalashnikov]

We are terrible I don't expect a lot this year but boy we needed kick in our butt. What a comeback. Paunic and Marjanovic have to be in Lithuania:)

rumour has it that Keselj and Velickovic will be out of the roster due to their injuries.
If that's true, who would replace them?

[plato-ny]

In 2010 Greece was trashed by Turkey and Spain, lost to Russia, had problems with Puerto Rico and China sans Yao.
Played bad in almost all games = 11th is not aberration

In 2009 Greece only wins against strong teams were vs
Turkey - very tired at that moment
Slovenia - tired + multiple injuries during tournament
=> 3rd place overachievement (not big one, was pretty weak tournament, Greece realistically was 5th best team)


Croatia really does not have anything with that. You have no arguments, you see my flag is Croatian, so instead of arguments you write Croatia is bad team and will not be in semifinals. I know my team sucks, I don't need you tell me that. Question is : what if my flag was Antigua one? Or Saint Kitts and Nevis? What would then be your arguments?
So you decide for all of us that Greece had a lucky punch in Eurobasket 2009 when Greece came in 3rd place? You decide for all of us that Greece was "realistically" the 5th best team at Eurobasket 2009 and overachieved even though Greece had a string of successful performances in recent tournaments? ? You decide for all of us that Greece played mostly weak teams in Eurobasket 2009? You decide for all of us that the Turkish and Slovenian teams that Greece defeated in Eurobasket 2009 were "tired"? You decide for all us that Slovenia lost to Greece in the Eurobasket 2009 third-place match because they were "tired" and had injuries when Greece also had injuries just like every team did in Eurobasket 2009? You dont think Greece was also "tired" in Eurobasket 2009?

I wasn't aware that your opinions were Holy Scripture to basketball. So whatever you decide are facts and not opinions.

Greece lost to Turkey and Spain in Eurobasket 2009 by a combined 19 points. Thats not a "thrashing". Greece lost to Russia by 4 points. Is that shameful? Greece struggled against Puerto Rico and China. The team did not perform well in FIBA WC 2010. But that was their poorest showing in a tournament in many years. But, of course, for you, Eurobasket 2009 does not count and is an "indicator" of Greece's downfall.

How about saying that Greece was tired and had injuries in FIBA WC 2010 and that was why they performed poorly?

I used the Croatia NT recent tournament performances as an example of a team that can bounce back after having a poor tournament. Several teams have had a bad tournament after having a string of prior successful tournament performances and bounce back the next year. A team's roster in any particular time period cant be good every single year.

I dont know how the Greek NT will fare in Eurobasket 2011 but if they do poorly after a previous poor tournament performance in 2010 then one can say that Greece is heading down.

But if Greece does well in Eurobasket 2011, you know what you will say:

"Greece had a lucky punch". "Its a weak tournament". "The teams Greece played were tired and/or had injuries". "Greece played weak teams". "Greece had a lucky draw".

[baelor]

I dont know how the Greek NT will fare in Eurobasket 2011 but if they do poorly after a previous poor tournament performance in 2010 then one can say that Greece is heading down.

But if Greece does well in Eurobasket 2011, you know what you will say:

"Greece had a lucky punch". "Its a weak tournament". "The teams Greece played were tired and/or had injuries". "Greece played weak teams". "Greece had a lucky draw".

Why are you even bothering to answer? He's a hater... Although i saw some of his posts that were really justified and substantiated but everyone can see that he just hates Greece NT basketball and writes his posts just to irritate you all guys...

Just relax and don't pay attention:eek:

P.S. if Greece will meet Croatia in this championship there will be a chance to kick his ass:cool:

[Kalashnikov]

P.S. if Greece will meet Croatia in this championship there will be a chance to kick his ass:cool:

what do you mean "if"? We are in the same group! :)

[Adon]

Why are you even bothering to answer? He's a hater... Although i saw some of his posts that were really justified and substantiated but everyone can see that he just hates Greece NT basketball and writes his posts just to irritate you all guys...

Just relax and don't pay attention:eek:



Absolutely right.
That's why I've put him in my ignore list.

[Silvio]

So you decide for all of us that Greece had a lucky punch in Eurobasket 2009 when Greece came in 3rd place? You decide for all of us that Greece was "realistically" the 5th best team at Eurobasket 2009 and overachieved even though Greece had a string of successful performances in recent tournaments? ? You decide for all of us that Greece played mostly weak teams in Eurobasket 2009? You decide for all of us that the Turkish and Slovenian teams that Greece defeated in Eurobasket 2009 were "tired"? You decide for all us that Slovenia lost to Greece in the Eurobasket 2009 third-place match because they were "tired" and had injuries when Greece also had injuries just like every team did in Eurobasket 2009? You dont think Greece was also "tired" in Eurobasket 2009?

I wasn't aware that your opinions were Holy Scripture to basketball. So whatever you decide are facts and not opinions.

Greece lost to Turkey and Spain in Eurobasket 2009 by a combined 19 points. Thats not a "thrashing". Greece lost to Russia by 4 points. Is that shameful? Greece struggled against Puerto Rico and China. The team did not perform well in FIBA WC 2010. But that was their poorest showing in a tournament in many years. But, of course, for you, Eurobasket 2009 does not count and is an "indicator" of Greece's downfall.

How about saying that Greece was tired and had injuries in FIBA WC 2010 and that was why they performed poorly?

I used the Croatia NT recent tournament performances as an example of a team that can bounce back after having a poor tournament. Several teams have had a bad tournament after having a string of prior successful tournament performances and bounce back the next year. A team's roster in any particular time period cant be good every single year.

I dont know how the Greek NT will fare in Eurobasket 2011 but if they do poorly after a previous poor tournament performance in 2010 then one can say that Greece is heading down.

But if Greece does well in Eurobasket 2011, you know what you will say:

"Greece had a lucky punch". "Its a weak tournament". "The teams Greece played were tired and/or had injuries". "Greece played weak teams". "Greece had a lucky draw".

Did you all Greeks lived under the rock until few days ago? Or just playing dumb?


Of course Turkey trashed Greece last summer, it was around +20, Turks were toying with Greeks ... then Greece scored something like last 10 points, so final score of +10 does not look like trashing to someone who didn't watch the game. You really didn't watch game or you're just playing dumb?


And about 2009. Schedule before Greek lucky punch at September 18:

September 16 Turkey 67–69 Slovenia
September 14 Turkey 69–64 Serbia
September 12 Turkey 63–60 Spain

Turkey played 3 semifinalists in 5 days, 3 tough close games.

September 15 Greece - France 69-71
Greece lost to France without Noah, Pietrus and Gelabale. Or they lost intentionally to avoid Spain in QF? I don't know which of two is worse.
September 13 Greece - Russia 65–68
Greece lost to Russia without Kirilenko, Holden, Khryapa and Kaun. Or they lost intentionally to avoid Spain in QF? I don't know which of two is worse.
September 11 Greece - Germany 84-76
Greece barely won Germany without Dirk

Greece one day more of rest and 3 easy games. You have forgot about it or you're just playing dumb?

And about weakness of tournament 2009, just look names form 3 teams above. Don't let me list each player from each team. You probably didn't forget it, you're probably just playing dumb.


Those are facts. Hard facts.

Dear Greek members of board, please present facts - your dozens of angry posts without arguments are simply method "lie repeated a hundred times becomes truth"

[Kalashnikov]

Those are facts. Hard facts.

Dear Greek members of board, please present facts - your dozens of angry posts without arguments are simply method "lie repeated a hundred times becomes truth"

It's a fact, that in a previous post of yours, you admitted that you have underestimated the Greek team and that the doomsday may not be coming as near as you previously thought.

It's also a fact, that in your previous post, you admitted that these posts were a result of Greek-posters excitement over the friendly wins.

Now, let me ask you...since apparently, both Greek posters & you agree that the Greek NT has been performing better than expected in the beginning of the pre-Eurobasket season, what did you expect? That people will come up and say: "Hey, we won almost all our friendlies, but oh my god! we don't have any good players born in the 80s"???
or that: "pheew!This competition will be ok, but in the olympics we are screwed because Papaloukas will be 36yrs old"?.

Furthermore, despite all the supposed Greek "super-excitement", I haven't seen any Greek posters claiming a medal for the Greek NT! Or at least, nothing arrogant enough to provoke such a minimalisation of previous recent achievements.

So, where is this negation and denial coming from?

With arguments like: "Lucky punch", "Lucky draw" etc. noone is convinced. I mean...according to you, Greece must be the luckiest nation in the world!
As if the country is not virtually bankrupt, as if the unemployment is not 17%, as if the country does not spend 50% of it's GDP on defense, as if Greek people are feeling great about their future...
But no! The only thing that appears to be going well in Greece (i.e. basketball) is not a matter of skill, planning, organisation, tradition. It's luck! Well, trust me, even if Greeks were that lucky, we'd rather put our luck in finding huge reserves of Oil in our underground rather than focus on getting a "lucky punch" in some basketball game...

In the end, perhaps the Greek NT is in a decline. Perhaps Greece will fail miserably this year and not qualify from the group stage. Perhaps in the years to follow, we will be where Italy is today.
How can you be sure of it? How can you call "liars" all of those who simply disagree with you?

I've seen your posts also about the Croatian team. You seem to be a person that lacks the ability to say anything positive and that's quite sad...
Anyway, you can be as cynical or as nullifying as you want.

[Silvio]

Latvia - Georgia
Latvia leads 20-13 after Q1

Livestats
http://www1.basket.lv/plain/online/27001018/full

[plato-ny]

Did you all Greeks lived under the rock until few days ago? Or just playing dumb?
You really didn't watch game or you're just playing dumb?

Greece one day more of rest and 3 easy games. You have forgot about it or you're just playing dumb?

You probably didn't forget it, you're probably just playing dumb.

Dear Greek members of board, please present facts - your dozens of angry posts without arguments are simply method "lie repeated a hundred times becomes truth"
Well, Silvio, you clearly are someone who cannot be debated with. You call Greek posts "angry" when you yourself are the provocateur. You start posting against Greece all because the Greeks here are having positive vibes regarding positive results in friendlies that are none of your concern.

After all, your opinions are the Holy Scripture of Basketball.

If Greece does well in Eurobasket 2011, lets see if you post anything. Of course, you wont post anything positive because you'll say anything negative against the Greek NT out of spite.

And since your opinions are the Holy Scriptures of Basketball, please tell us how will Greece do in Eurobasket 2011?

[Silvio]

Latvia - Georgia 79-83
http://www1.basket.lv/plain/online/27001018

For Georgia Zaza Pachulia scored monster 42 points (14/17 FG, 14/14 FT :eek: with 6 reb and 3 ast), Markoishvili 13 pts.
Latvia: Janis Blums 25 pts (but 6/19 FG) , Strelnieks 16, Kuksiks 12

[Silvio]

Well, Silvio, you clearly are someone who cannot be debated with. You call Greek posts "angry" when you yourself are the provocateur. You start posting against Greece all because the Greeks here are having positive vibes regarding positive results in friendlies that are none of your concern.

After all, your opinions are the Holy Scripture of Basketball.

If Greece does well in Eurobasket 2011, lets see if you post anything. Of course, you wont post anything positive because you'll say anything negative against the Greek NT out of spite.

And since your opinions are the Holy Scriptures of Basketball, please tell us how will Greece do in Eurobasket 2011?

Huh, why do you post in thread you didn't read? Someone might take it provocative.

Few pages before, I said Greece will finish 6th or 7th.
Of course, as well-known provocateur, I also added, that it is only because of favorable draw. In other half of draw there is 6 strong teams, and in "Greek" part of draw only Russia.

Let me elaborate that. It should be something like
E: Spain-Turkey-Serbia-Germany
F: Russia-Slovenia-Greece-Montenegro
In semifinals : Spain, Russia, Turkey, Serbia
In group 5th to 8th Germany, Greece, Slovenia, Montenegro

Now for Greece it all depends who they get for opponent in game after QF loss. If it is Germany (or some other team from strong group E), they'll finish 7th. If they get Montenegro (or some other team weak from group F), they'll finish 6th. If it is Slovenia, then 50%-50%, maybe 6th, maybe 7th.

[madmax]

Latvia - Georgia 79-83
http://www1.basket.lv/plain/online/27001018

For Georgia Zaza Pachulia scored monster 42 points (14/17 FG, 14/14 FT :eek: with 6 reb and 3 ast), Markoishvili 13 pts.
Latvia: Janis Blums 25 pts (but 6/19 FG) , Strelnieks 16, Kuksiks 12

:D
Looks like Super Zaza has eaten that latvian frontline alive...puts a perspective on why Petravicius was looking so good against them on Saturday

[KWSN-Men]

Just saw what happened between Fotsis and Jagla.

Somebody should have sent Jagla at Athens a couple of months ago for the Special Olympics. He's obviously a retard...

[baelor]

what do you mean "if"? We are in the same group! :)

so what?! 'kill' them anyway:D

[baelor]

Let me elaborate that. It should be something like
E: Spain-Turkey-Serbia-Germany
F: Russia-Slovenia-Greece-Montenegro
In semifinals : Spain, Russia, Turkey, Serbia
In group 5th to 8th Germany, Greece, Slovenia, Montenegro

say what?! no Lithuania?:eek: i don't like you anymore:p:D

[rikhardur]

Just saw what happened between Fotsis and Jagla.

Somebody should have sent Jagla at Athens a couple of months ago for the Special Olympics. He's obviously a retard...
Just saw that moment and I guess ejecting both was the correct decision.

[baelor]

Just saw that moment and I guess ejecting both was the correct decision.

can we all see it?:confused::o

[rikhardur]

can we all see it?:confused::o
4BAPvUU1VqM

[KWSN-Men]

Just saw that moment and I guess ejecting both was the correct decision.

Watch since the 4th quarter begins.

Jagla is playing over-aggressively on defense. After a couple of minutes, when Fotsis does the same, he throws his elbows around.

And then he is so angry for being ejected that he throws his shirt away... :rolleyes:

[fasoulaki]

Just saw that moment and I guess ejecting both was the correct decision.

To get the full picture you have to observe how Jagla was behaving from the point of time he entered the court in the 4th quarter.

He plays quite hard against Fotsis. He hustles and bangs him more than you would expect in a friendly or even in an official game.

However Fotsis reaction on this provocation was not the best option.

[Dato]

Latvia-Georgia 79-83
Pachulia made 42 points in 28 minutes.

Zaza Pachulia 28:45 14-17 0-0 14-14 6 3 2 4 42
http://basket.lv/viriesu_izlase/?xframesrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.basket.lv%2Fplain%2Fv iriesu_izlase%2Fkomandas%2Fgruzija&xframeid=basketlvframe

[turk-jugoslav]

Jagla is very soft player compare to Fotsis.Fotsis is like a rock and very tough.Noone from europe wants to play against him but he has not good character

[Straight forward]

Latvia-Georgia 79-83
Pachulia made 42 points in 28 minutes.

Zaza Pachulia 28:45 14-17 0-0 14-14 6 3 2 4 42
http://basket.lv/viriesu_izlase/?xframesrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.basket.lv%2Fplain%2Fv iriesu_izlase%2Fkomandas%2Fgruzija&xframeid=basketlvframe

Mh, I was thinking Georgia is not the best opponent for Lithuania in the last preparation game, but seems they will be pretty competitive and since all the eyes on our bigs now, Pachulia is a good opponent :rolleyes:

[FIBA Europe Basket]

Jagla is very soft player compare to Fotsis.Fotsis is like a rock and very tough.Noone from europe wants to play against him but he has not good character

Fotsis would probably kick any basketball player's a$$ in a fight (maybe not Shaq or Sofo). The problem with Fotsis is the he knows he can kick their a$$ and he is way too much of a hot head.

[Srle]

I know for sure he ate Teo"s upercut also he's the spitter I dont find that tough at all.

[KWSN-Men]

I know for sure he ate Teo"s upercut also he's the spitter I dont find that tough at all.

Yeah, Teo giving one punch and then hiding... :D

[CG]

I know for sure he ate Teo"s upercut also he's the spitter I dont find that tough at all.

You mean the pussy who hits mostly the genetics
Be more specific next time

[fasoulaki]

what a coincidence that Serbia does not paricipate at the Acropolis Cup this year

[Adon]

I know for sure he ate Teo"s upercut also he's the spitter I dont find that tough at all.

lol! probably you haven't seen what happened 3 -4 minutes after that. Teo got a merciless beating by Fotsis. The poor guy walked away stumbling. Someone from the crowd used his mobile to "immortalize" the scene and then, he uploaded the video in u-tube.

(edit)
...and that uppercut was totally gay.:D

[the_black_planet]

Latvia-Georgia 79-83
Pachulia made 42 points in 28 minutes.

Zaza Pachulia 28:45 14-17 0-0 14-14 6 3 2 4 42
http://basket.lv/viriesu_izlase/?xframesrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.basket.lv%2Fplain%2Fv iriesu_izlase%2Fkomandas%2Fgruzija&xframeid=basketlvframe

Sorry guys,I probably missed something but Eurobasket opening is coming close,where the hell are allmost all good Latvian players(except Blums)???Jasicenoks,Bedrins,Valters bros,Kaspars Berzins,Skele,Kambala,Buskevics are all out????And they have Jeromanovs who played in Greek league 2 last year???:confused:WTF??

[rikhardur]

Sorry guys,I probably missed something but Eurobasket opening is coming close,where the hell are allmost all good Latvian players(except Blums)???Jasicenoks,Bedrins,Valters bros,Kaspars Berzins,Skele,Kambala,Buskevics are all out????And they have Jeromanovs who played in Greek league 2 last year???:confused:WTF??
http://forums.interbasket.net/f74/latvia-national-team-8786/p4.html

[Picek]

I know for sure he ate Teo"s upercut also he's the spitter I dont find that tough at all.
considering he played for years in the same team with savage Batiste it is good he is not stomping on opposition players heads..
that is their favorite..

[Adon]

considering he played for years in the same team with savage Batiste it is good he is not stomping on opposition players heads..
that is their favorite..

"savage Batiste" :eek::D
It's as ridiculous as "the murderer Obradovic" (have heard it from OLY fans) or as "the lunatic Krstic" (remember the attack with the chair against Bourousis).
Everyone has done some idiotic things in his life (certainly I have and I'm quite sure that you Picek are not an exception;) ). But characterizing a decent guy like Batiste just from one (1) unfortunate reaction under adrenaline rush, it's not fair. Unless your comment was pure propaganda.

[Picek]

"savage Batiste" :eek::D
It's as ridiculous as "the murderer Obradovic" (have heard it from OLY fans) or as "the lunatic Krstic" (remember the attack with the chair against Bourousis).
Everyone has done some idiotic things in his life (certainly I have and I'm quite sure that you Picek are not an exception;) ). But characterizing a decent guy like Batiste just from one (1) unfortunate reaction under adrenaline rush, it's not fair. Unless your comment was pure propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6PzxZjBPU

you should look at this.. and again.. and again.. and again.. and then again..
it is not unfortunate reaction, he had enough time to look where Ožbolt's head is..
so yes, he is a savage..
idiotic thing is paying a ticket for speeding or something similar.. stomping on someone's head is something different..
there was 24 teams playing in euroleague last year.. that is approximately 300+ players.. have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?

[Red 7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6PzxZjBPU

you should look at this.. and again.. and again.. and again.. and then again..
it is not unfortunate reaction, he had enough time to look where Ožbolt's head is..
so yes, he is a savage..
idiotic thing is paying a ticket for speeding or something similar.. stomping on someone's head is something different..
there was 24 teams playing in euroleague last year.. that is approximately 300+ players.. have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?

People go to prison for one moment of insanity... how is this any different to an attempted murder?? Batiste could have easily killed Ozbolt...

[Kalashnikov]

People go to prison for one moment of insanity... how is this any different to an attempted murder?? Batiste could have easily killed Ozbolt...

people go to prison for punching someone as well. Let's get them both in prison and get over with it then?

[Adon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6PzxZjBPU

you should look at this.. and again.. and again.. and again.. and then again..
it is not unfortunate reaction, he had enough time to look where Ožbolt's head is..
so yes, he is a savage..
idiotic thing is paying a ticket for speeding or something similar.. stomping on someone's head is something different..
there was 24 teams playing in euroleague last year.. that is approximately 300+ players.. have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?

"have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?"
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/08/21/sports/photos_stories/cropped/044_krstic--300x300.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolnews.com/media/2010/08/bloodygreek.jpg
" have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?"

Do you believe that Krstic is a lunatic or that it was just an unfortunate reaction under adrenaline rush? Try to be more objective. You should study the history of a player and not just an incident in order to characterize him like that.

[Adon]

People go to prison for one moment of insanity... how is this any different to an attempted murder?? Batiste could have easily killed Ozbolt...

Don't be a drama queen :D

[Red 7]

Don't be a drama queen :D

I'm not! Its just physics!! If 150 kilos suddenly impact on your head isn't there a chance that you will get seriously injured?? I think that Batiste was lucky that he didn't cause any serious impediment... what is more unbelievable yet is that he did not even get reprimanded for what he did.... anyways, this is not the correct thread for this discussion...

[baelor]

I'm not! Its just physics!! If 150 kilos suddenly impact on your head isn't there a chance that you will get seriously injured?? I think that Batiste was lucky that he didn't cause any serious impediment... what is more unbelievable yet is that he did not even get reprimanded for what he did.... anyways, this is not the correct thread for this discussion...

Batiste's 'thing' was insane, Krstic's 'thing' was insane... bla bla bla...

Once i've punched one drunk hobo in the mouth very ...very... strong, because he was standing in the middle of the narrow road and couldn't move faster that was pissing me off so much !!!... Then I've been thinking about it - that was really insane:eek:

I could swear Batiste or Krstic wouldn't do anything such insane in the future... so wouldn't I.

We all did something stupid and even dangerous in our lives. It's what we learned from it and not we did that defines us !

Let's get over it !:D

[klakis]

LOL!
i can`t understand why all the fighting in the Greek NT include Fotsis it must have something to do with his attitude and caracter...
Compared to teodosic of course Fotsis looks like a boy-scout but i can`t help
remembering a game with Greek NT U18 or U21 when first he tryed to hit with a ''header'' and then he slapped a greek teamate (i think Petropoulos) for loosing a free throught.
Luckily for us he was smart enough not to start anything like last year in acropolis when the team was actually destroyed after that since that fight involved to oly-pao fight after all and f**ked up the locker rooms.

by the way Kristic`s reaction was caused by an adrenaline rush since there was a general brawl i think.
Batiste`s reaction was definetly not caused by an adrenaline rush it was something else...who knows what???

P.S. i would like to see a brawl with the Greek national team of 1994 with Sigalas and Tsekos vs anyone but on the other hand i remember that in that team we also had nasos galakteros...lol

[gockun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6PzxZjBPU

you should look at this.. and again.. and again.. and again.. and then again..
it is not unfortunate reaction, he had enough time to look where Ožbolt's head is..
so yes, he is a savage..
idiotic thing is paying a ticket for speeding or something similar.. stomping on someone's head is something different..
there was 24 teams playing in euroleague last year.. that is approximately 300+ players.. have you seen anyone else doing anything similar?
i didnt read the previous posts, so i dont know what this came from. but i compeletely agree that that move cant be explain just a "adrenalin rush" or "unfortunate reaction"..

[Srle]

lol! probably you haven't seen what happened 3 -4 minutes after that. Teo got a merciless beating by Fotsis. The poor guy walked away stumbling. Someone from the crowd used his mobile to "immortalize" the scene and then, he uploaded the video in u-tube.

(edit)
...and that uppercut was totally gay.:D

Wtf you blabbering about,Teo was trying to stop that wild fat tank of yours . Fotsis did nothing except spiting and hit with the cheap shots ,that's the discipline of Pao players:) Diamantidis is their spitting captain .

[Red 7]

Italy 74 - Bulgaria 71

[Adon]

Wtf you blabbering about,Teo was trying to stop that wild fat tank of yours . Fotsis did nothing except spiting and hit with the cheap shots ,that's the discipline of Pao players:) Diamantidis is their spitting captain .

"Wtf you blabbering about" translation " I haven't seen the video you mentioned" :D
I remember that you are the "gentleman" who said that "Krstic is a hero" last year. Whatever ..., I am too old for your sh.t.

[Toxicity]

Italy 74 - Bulgaria 71

What a bad game... destroyed at rebounds by the Ivanov twins (25-43?!? :eek:) and with usual poor difense... only Bargnani played pretty well (19+10) while the rest of the team seemed uninterested in this game... :mad:

[KWSN-Men]

Some pretty idiotic things written here, brought by team hate...


considering he played for years in the same team with savage Batiste it is good he is not stomping on opposition players heads..
that is their favorite..

All PAO players are murderers, worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.

But they make you hide from IBN time after time around May, winning Euroleague titles one after the other while you're eating your underwear from anger.

You are free to hate as much as you want. The ant hates the elephant, the elephant just doesn't give a damn, they even STOMP on ants and don't care.

Got it? ;)


I'm not! Its just physics!! If 150 kilos suddenly impact on your head isn't there a chance that you will get seriously injured?? I think that Batiste was lucky that he didn't cause any serious impediment... what is more unbelievable yet is that he did not even get reprimanded for what he did.... anyways, this is not the correct thread for this discussion...

When talking about physics and using them to back up your point, you should at least know a thing or two about it...

Batiste is about 110 kilos.

He didn't stand on him, so we can't measure the force on Ozbolt's head.

It's Batiste's leg weight x the force applied when kicking downwards. If you watch the video, it's more like stepping on his head, so no maximum force, I'd bet 3-4 times x his leg's weight.

Professional boxers, putting their whole body behind their punch in order to give over 1000 kilos of punching power, and even then I don't remember anybody dying in boxing.

In fact, this had so little impact that it made Ozbolt's lips bleed and Ozbolt was so close to death, that he didn't even had a headache (so not even a concussion) and went to a bar with his teammates and had drinks. He was close to dying that he didn't even care about the incident so much but more for winning against PAO. :rolleyes:


LOL!
i can`t understand why all the fighting in the Greek NT include Fotsis it must have something to do with his attitude and caracter...
Compared to teodosic of course Fotsis looks like a boy-scout but i can`t help
remembering a game with Greek NT U18 or U21 when first he tryed to hit with a ''header'' and then he slapped a greek teamate (i think Petropoulos) for loosing a free throught.
Luckily for us he was smart enough not to start anything like last year in acropolis when the team was actually destroyed after that since that fight involved to oly-pao fight after all and f**ked up the locker rooms.

by the way Kristic`s reaction was caused by an adrenaline rush since there was a general brawl i think.
Batiste`s reaction was definetly not caused by an adrenaline rush it was something else...who knows what???

P.S. i would like to see a brawl with the Greek national team of 1994 with Sigalas and Tsekos vs anyone but on the other hand i remember that in that team we also had nasos galakteros...lol

Yeah, we all know that Batiste is stoned all the time with cocaine, no matter about the tests he goes under every year. Very popular theory amongst stupid Olympiakos fans, nice to see it spreading. :rolleyes:

As for Fotsis, some stupid incidents (that I don't know if they are true, could be in your imagination as well) when he was 18 years old are very relevant with receiving Jagla's elbow on the eyebrow. :rolleyes:


Wtf you blabbering about,Teo was trying to stop that wild fat tank of yours . Fotsis did nothing except spiting and hit with the cheap shots ,that's the discipline of Pao players:) Diamantidis is their spitting captain .

PAO players spit.

Teodosic just likes groping other guys' balls for some reason... :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/awaWfep6UcQ

[Silvio]

Italy - Bulgaria 74-71
http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/online/onlinegamegsd.asp?game=1&pop_up_2=1
Bargnani 19 (10 reb, probably error in boxscore :D), Belinelli 18, Gallinari 16, Mancinelli 11
Deyan & Kaloyan Ivanov 17& 14pts, 10&9reb, Avramov 12, Rowland 11

Italy perhaps too much relying on best 4 players ... but what other choice do they have?

______ for 2 for 3 for 1 pts min
big 4 15/28 6/16 16/18 64 127
rest 1/5 1/4 5/6 10 73
total 16/33 7/20 21/24 74 200

Bulgarians seems to be poor team this summer. They scored only 71 versus Italian defense. And I doubt they all of a sudden learned how to play defense.

[klakis]

Some pretty idiotic things written here, brought by team hate...



All PAO players are murderers, worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.

But they make you hide from IBN time after time around May, winning Euroleague titles one after the other while you're eating your underwear from anger.

You are free to hate as much as you want. The ant hates the elephant, the elephant just doesn't give a damn, they even STOMP on ants and don't care.

Got it? ;)



When talking about physics and using them to back up your point, you should at least know a thing or two about it...

Batiste is about 110 kilos.

He didn't stand on him, so we can't measure the force on Ozbolt's head.

It's Batiste's leg weight x the force applied when kicking downwards. If you watch the video, it's more like stepping on his head, so no maximum force, I'd bet 3-4 times x his leg's weight.

Professional boxers, putting their whole body behind their punch in order to give over 1000 kilos of punching power, and even then I don't remember anybody dying in boxing.

In fact, this had so little impact that it made Ozbolt's lips bleed and Ozbolt was so close to death, that he didn't even had a headache (so not even a concussion) and went to a bar with his teammates and had drinks. He was close to dying that he didn't even care about the incident so much but more for winning against PAO. :rolleyes:



Yeah, we all know that Batiste is stoned all the time with cocaine, no matter about the tests he goes under every year. Very popular theory amongst stupid Olympiakos fans, nice to see it spreading. :rolleyes:

As for Fotsis, some stupid incidents (that I don't know if they are true, could be in your imagination as well) when he was 18 years old are very relevant with receiving Jagla's elbow on the eyebrow. :rolleyes:



PAO players spit.

Teodosic just likes groping other guys' balls for some reason... :rolleyes:

http://youtu.be/awaWfep6UcQ

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha you are so grafical!
First of all i return the word stupid right back to you.
Man you are better than than the hybrid of Seferlis(greek comedian) and Kougias(greek very ethical lawyer).....
I never said anything about cocaine because i didn`t even know that there was such rumor but even if that is the way you understood it and since you trust the tests he goes under every year then i would like you to admit that Bourousis was never dopped since he passes the same tests as Batiste,besides they play in the same leagues....
I wait for such admitance....

Secondly about my imagination and about the Fotsis incident i have nothing to say except the fact that for that incident EOK has punished him for 3 months from the mens NT read it from newspapers since you don`t know the incident....

http://sports.in.gr/article/?aid=270341
http://archive.in.gr/news/2000/athl/at_aug02.htm

and if you just google it you will find many more links.

And yet even if you are so ridiculously pro-pao to see things clearly i will agree with you that this incident doesn`t have a lot to do with Jagla`s elbow i was just pointing out the fact that Fotsis for second year in a row gets in a fight.Guess who opponents will try to piss off in case they want to next time....

Now thirdly and most important since now i officially pronounce you
"The official Panathinaikos Laywer of INTERBASKET"
thank you for all the great time laughing you have offered us!!!

you understand that you have no difference at all with an olympiakos football fan??????
Dont`you???
My advice to you is take the green glasses OFF and enjoy BASKETBALL

P.S. i really enjoyed your physics analysis!!!!You can`t imagine how much!!!

[Xristos]

Koufos 24 points :)

[vaslover]

Russia- Poland 80:76
Seems like we took a rest tonight...:)

[PieR]

In fact, this had so little impact that it made Ozbolt's lips bleed and Ozbolt was so close to death, that he didn't even had a headache (so not even a concussion) and went to a bar with his teammates and had drinks. He was close to dying that he didn't even care about the incident so much but more for winning against PAO. :rolleyes:

... I don't remember that Sašo had so stormy night as you are stating, but I remember its scar even weeks after that game... :confused:

... and in any case Sašo deserved apology, but do you think that this did not happen by chance? :(

P.S. As far as I recall coach Obradovič got mad on Batiste and apologized in his name to Sašo and rest of the team. :cool:

[Adon]

... and in any case Sašo deserved apology, but do you think that this did not happen by chance?
P.S. As far as I recall coach Obradovič got mad on Batiste and apologized in his name to Sašo and rest of the team. :cool:

You don't remember well. Batiste apologized to him .

[Silvio]

... I don't remember that Sašo had so stormy night as you are stating, but I remember its scar even weeks after that game... :confused:

... and in any case Sašo deserved apology, but do you think that this did not happen by chance? :(

P.S. As far as I recall coach Obradovič got mad on Batiste and apologized in his name to Sašo and rest of the team. :cool:

Obradovic got mad, he yelled at Batiste. Result of speech was Batiste went to opponents' bench and apologized to Ozbolt - which he clearly had no intention to do before speech.

[KWSN-Men]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha you are so grafical!
First of all i return the word stupid right back to you.
Man you are better than than the hybrid of Seferlis(greek comedian) and Kougias(greek very ethical lawyer).....
I never said anything about cocaine because i didn`t even know that there was such rumor but even if that is the way you understood it and since you trust the tests he goes under every year then i would like you to admit that Bourousis was never dopped since he passes the same tests as Batiste,besides they play in the same leagues....
I wait for such admitance....

Secondly about my imagination and about the Fotsis incident i have nothing to say except the fact that for that incident EOK has punished him for 3 months from the mens NT read it from newspapers since you don`t know the incident....

http://sports.in.gr/article/?aid=270341
http://archive.in.gr/news/2000/athl/at_aug02.htm

and if you just google it you will find many more links.

And yet even if you are so ridiculously pro-pao to see things clearly i will agree with you that this incident doesn`t have a lot to do with Jagla`s elbow i was just pointing out the fact that Fotsis for second year in a row gets in a fight.Guess who opponents will try to piss off in case they want to next time....

Now thirdly and most important since now i officially pronounce you
"The official Panathinaikos Laywer of INTERBASKET"
thank you for all the great time laughing you have offered us!!!

you understand that you have no difference at all with an olympiakos football fan??????
Dont`you???
My advice to you is take the green glasses OFF and enjoy BASKETBALL

P.S. i really enjoyed your physics analysis!!!!You can`t imagine how much!!!

Why do you have such a big concern about Bouroussis? He is not an Olympiakos player anymore so you can chill.

Batiste was under EL tests. Bouroussis was not, Olympiakos lost to Siena, you must remember that. As for you not knowing the cocaine rumour, I'm sure as a good red sheep, you're pretty familiar with it.

As for Fotsis "fight", seriously? So Fotsis slapped (OMG!!! is the guy still alive after that slap?) the coach's nephew that was there because of his uncle, when he was 19-20 years old... I'm in shock! I wonder how they still allow Fotsis to be a free man, being a scumbag as he is... :rolleyes:

As for Fotsis getting into a fight, you should MAYBE blame your beloved Teodosic for groping his balls. Unless you are pro balls-groping so no problem. I don't discriminate people by their sexual orientation.

PS: You do know that "grafical" is not an English word, right? For an Olympiakos fan, you should know better English, being half American an all...