Omri Caspi is too submissive

[Calvin]

He had one great dunk but that was it. He's not muscling for rebounds, he's not demanding more shots and he's settling for other to win games for galil. He only shows up when galil needs him but doesn't when they don't. Caspi is settling for others to lead the team. If he's more worried about other team mates feelings and their relationships than his own future he'll be an underachiever. He'll be only a six man for maccabi rather than the great nba player he could be. The PL is a physical and violent league with less court space than the nba. If he can play to his ability in the PL he can play in the nba. He needs to learn some basketball logic quickly too. If he isn't scoring he should rebound. And he shouldn't be so concerned with his relationship with galil while on loan for this year. Like Galil really cares about Caspi's long term future and growth. He has to remember his grit and start putting the concept of playing basketball together otherwise he'll always be a PL player. One last thing in america israelies have a reputation for being submissive. It's somewhat fair because of the actions of it's politicians. But if Caspi is going to play in the nba he is going to have to shread that prejudice.

[elaj]

How many topics about Casspi do you need to open to be happy?

[Calvin]

Elaj if you don't like it ignore it. The web is full of things to ignore.

[rikhardur]

Don't forget he's a kid, only 18 years old, still a lot to learn and a lot to play. Take it easy ;)

[Calvin]

I want to see him play in the nba. Luis Scola and Sabonis took it easy never had the opportunity to play in the nba in their prime.

[rikhardur]

I want to see him play in the nba. Luis Scola and Sabonis took it easy never had the opportunity to play in the nba in their prime.
Well, Scola is in his prime actually. But I see your point. Even so I tell you that better to be a top level player in Europe than a bench warmer in the NBA (a thing which sometimes times has nothing to do with a player's quality) ;)

[Calvin]

Sabonis wasn't a bench warmer in Portland and Scola wouldn't be a bench warmer in San Antonio. I'm just selfish I want all the great players in the nba.

[rikhardur]

Sabonis wasn't a bench warmer in Portland and Scola wouldn't be a bench warmer in San Antonio.
I didn't say that :)

[Calvin]

Sorry I didn't mean to take you out of context

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Players that want to force upo theior return in NBA end up getting fired by Napoli like Tierre Brown, or get laughed by, by fans that've seen at least 3 games of them like Horace Jenkins.

No, Calvin, Casspi should play the way coach says to, team winning is not some sort of retorics (as I ussually get a feeling listening to Antoine Walker loosing one of the regular season games with 3/18 FG) but what players should primarely fight for no matter if they score or not, which "in-love-with-Jordan" NBA players like to forget and what makes most people on this board prefer european basketball to NBA.

Demanding more shots?? he is just an 18 years old kid, obviously not good enough to get those shots, since as it is the case with most of talented youngsters he can be happy and gratefull he is getting the oppurtunity to play and learn, something everyone from Belinelli, Bečirovič, Tripković or Rubio are/were getting before they were even ready for it, due to potential.

While I doubt Galil's coach consider his team solely as a Casspi developmental club- THANK'S GOD not.


If he isn't scoring he should rebound.
maybee I am too influenced by ex-Yugoslavia bball logic, but in case he does that he can peacefully sit on bench untill he gets used to not to do that. A guard that considers the primary goal to go for a rebound from the perimeter doesn't have much to search for in professional bball!
thing most youngsters get to learn at the age of 14...

Stats aren't everything (actually heavily overated in NBA, most people wouldn't even understand why to prefer Varejao to Walker), otherwise I doubt anyone would even care about Diaw... either in Pau, much less in Atlanta... and look at him now.

[Calvin]

He had a 77% fg percentage last game with a career high 27 points. I've never saw anyone dominate like he did since Jordan. The game after he only took two shots. He can be one of his generations great players if he doesn't have a lax and submissive attitude. He has to help himself. He has to demand the ball and demand to be a crucial part of the team. Lastly he's not a guard he's a small forward he should rebound.

[Czarkazem13]

I really don't see Caspi as being overly passive - especially for an 18-year-old. Personally, I think Yotam Halperin has more of a problem then Omri does.

While tall and athletic, he isn't a banger - and probably never will be. He seems to like the perimeter better.

No I'm not in his head so I can't argue/concur your belief about him being "more worried about other team mates feelings and their relationships" then his game.

"One last thing in america israelies have a reputation for being submissive. It's somewhat fair because of the actions of it's politicians."

Israelis or Israel ballers? Cause for one, Israelis are NOT known for being passive in anywhere in the U.S. I've been. And what action of what politicians? If you mean Israeli b-ballers then I would disagree again. However, Europeans ballers in general (not that Israel is European) are known for being passive and/or soft (please no one argue that this is not true, that's not what I am discussing). So I can't see where you are coming from.

Also, Scola still has plenty of time to make it to the L in his prime.

[Calvin]

Most americans never met an israeli. Sometimes common sense in a community can be wrong. Growing up in Nevada it was a prejudice I had before meeting several. The ones I met were operators and probabily didn't have the typical israeli personality.

Caspi is big for 18 and he will gain a lot of muscle and weight if he moves to the United States or Toronto. I don't know why I'm not a doctor (if they really know) but 20% weight increase is common. He's should be so big and agile that he'll be physically dangerous to guard.

[Czarkazem13]

Most americans never met an israeli. Sometimes common sense in a community can be wrong. Growing up in Nevada it was a prejudice I had before meeting several. The ones I met were operators and probabily didn't have the typical israeli personality.

Caspi is big for 18 and he will gain a lot of muscle and weight if he moves to the United States or Toronto. I don't know why I'm not a doctor (if they really know) but 20% weight increase is common.

True, but where I'm at there are Israelis (not too mention Jews in general). I've never been to Nevada so I can't speak for that. But in NY and Fla. I can speak for (somewhat lesser Cali - other areas I either have not been to or not there long enough).

Its a big if on how much muscle gain he will get. Like I said though, Caspi has to develop that interior game too. I don't think he will ever be a banger, but more of a big skilled player. Right now he is more suited for the 3 in the NBA.

[Calvin]

A cosmic event has happened I and Czarkazem13 has agreed on something. wow.

[Lord of SUCCESS.]

I like this player, Omri Casspi, still very young but tough and alot of talent.
watched his game against Maccabi last week he had 12 pts, 10 first half, in 16 min game time. reminds me alot Hedo Turkogolu same type of game.
I think he need time to get his game better and develope a mantality of pro and in the end of the season we can talk where he is facing to. hopfully NBA.

[Calvin]

Caspi is going play his next two years in the PL. He could of got out of his military service if he chose to play for Duke, Kentucky, Arizona ect. He has so much ability and potential that his game performance is hampered. It's not easy playing professional basketball and manditory service at 18. Those obligations contributed to his inconsistant play for sure. He'll be a more mature, tougher and smarter player for his military service I believe. Boot camp can't be easy for a 6'9" prodigy at 18. Once he realizes how to play in a game consistantly and finished his military service he'll be great. It would be great if the Kings draft him. For sure he'll be better than Ron Artest is.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Caspi is going play his next two years in the PL. He could of got out of his military service if he chose to play for Duke, Kentucky, Arizona ect. He has so much ability and potential that his game performance is hampered. It's not easy playing professional basketball and manditory service at 18. Those obligations contributed to his inconsistant play for sure. He'll be a more mature, tougher and smarter player for his military service I believe. Boot camp can't be easy for a 6'9" prodigy at 18. Once he realizes how to play in a game consistantly and finished his military service he'll be great. It would be great if the Kings draft him. For sure he'll be better than Ron Artest is.
Please don't imagine Caspi having tough&dirty boot camp... He will have talented sportsman status, which means about 2 weeks of boot camp and then usual life in his team (excluding army basketball championships:)
But of course he could not leave abroad. He can negotiate with army to go to college, but it's not easy. Usually Israeli players choose to finish their army term and then go college.

[Calvin]

Please don't imagine Caspi having tough&dirty boot camp... He will have talented sportsman status, which means about 2 weeks of boot camp and then usual life in his team (excluding army basketball championships
But of course he could not leave abroad. He can negotiate with army to go to college, but it's not easy. Usually Israeli players choose to finish their army term and then go college.

I'm confused. I thought your athletes often chose the tougher boot camp than two weeks for pride. And their service is similar to a reserve soldier. And I heard your boot camp was especially tough is it true. I heard many horror stories of people dying of exhaustion ect.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

I'm confused. I thought your athletes often chose the tougher boot camp than two weeks for pride. And their service is similar to a reserve soldier. And I heard your boot camp was especially tough is it true. I heard many horror stories of people dying of exhaustion ect.
Well, you are mistaken. Only Barak Peleg from Nahariya choose to do full term in combatant unit (and it probably damaged his career, imho). Most talented sportsmen do short boot camps.
And yes, there are cases of people dying of exhaustion - mostly in boot camps (or pre-boot camps for youths), which prepare for elite units or air force pilots. And there also are boot camps for common combatant units (tough enough), and also two-week boot camps for non-combatants (which are very easy). I don't think it would be tough for young sportsman, which already is in good form. (and army probably makes such a camp for sportsmen together, so staff atttude will be also easy...)

[Calvin]

I think Caspi would be a better player if he did a combat boot camp. If he doesn't maybe his guilt will make him work harder in basketball too prove his manhood. Beside two weeks of boot camp is harder than most of the pampered nba and college athletes had to face.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

I think Caspi would be a better player if he did a combat boot camp. If he doesn't maybe his guilt will make him work harder in basketball too prove his manhood. Beside two weeks of boot camp is harder than most of the pampered nba and college athletes had to face.
Guilt? What the hell are you talking about? Why should he feel guilt?
I don't think that hardness of boot camp has anything to do with patriotism or proving his manhood...
And what hard boot camp has to do with his qualities as player? I haven't seen any human-shaped targets on basketball court....

[elaj]

Calvin keep up with such posts, you always make me laugh!:D Next year you will be nominated for joker of the year award, I'm damn sure! :D

[Calvin]

Guilt? What the hell are you talking about? Why should he feel guilt?
I don't think that hardness of boot camp has anything to do with patriotism or proving his manhood...
And what hard boot camp has to do with his qualities as player? I haven't seen any human-shaped targets on basketball court....

In terms of basketball one has to have their head organized and focus. People have a lot of peculiarites and an environment like book camp and advanced training can eliminate many of them. Military service can teach things coaches and univerisities can't. One could learn to participate in a team, focus better, be aggressive rather than timid and learn quickers. I'm perplexed that you didn't considered that. I think the future of basketball won't be prodigies and coach's sons that are taught basketball from the crib. It will be coaches teaching people at either 17, 21 or 22 in a year or two how to play in a method similiar to the military.

You mentioned Barak Peleg. He's someone who didn't know how to play basketball. Then applied what he learned in the military towards basketball. He's a player that could play on any team and league because he's smarter than everyone else. He can start and not embarrass himself, he's an excellent sixth and seventh man and if as a twelveth we would be an effective for a coach to have strong practices. I think Barak Peleg will finish strong and will be a terrific coach some day.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

In terms of basketball one has to have their head organized and focus. People have a lot of peculiarites and an environment like book camp and advanced training can eliminate many of them. Military service can teach things coaches and univerisities can't. One could learn to participate in a team, focus better, be aggressive rather than timid and learn quickers. I'm perplexed that you didn't considered that. I think the future of basketball won't be prodigies and coach's sons that are taught basketball from the crib. It will be coaches teaching people at either 17, 21 or 22 in a year or two how to play in a method similiar to the military.

I am sorry for telling that, but that is stupidiest thing I've red in ages.

Military training has its own qulities and I am very very far from being anty-military. But, military service in combatant unit is tough, dirty, exhausting thing, which do teaches all those thigs you wrote about, but has nothing to do with sportsman development. Possible traumas or injuries, different muscle and movement development, total indifference of army to the purpose of the sportsman to develop (and rightfully so!) - all this won't contribute too much for future basketball talent development.

And about training 17, 21 or 22 years old in a year how to play by military methods - it's like taking 22 years old illiterate and teach him quantum physics under gun's muzzle...

[Calvin]

I am sorry for telling that, but that is stupidiest thing I've red in ages.

Hey, the marine corp worked for me. And I wouldn't have gotten a college degree without it. And I don't like being called stupid by whom probabily never played in college athletics and doesn't know what it takes to compete in high level competition.

By the way some of the great genious of the 20th century came through military education Rickover, Ben Rich, Yehuda Manor ect.


And about training 17, 21 or 22 years old in a year how to play by military methods - it's like taking 22 years old illiterate and teach him quantum physics under gun's muzzle...

I've never been there or saw that in my life. No one military would ever write something so stupid. The only people whom say things like that are academics that don't get the real world.

One last thing do you know who this guy ishttp://www.npt.com/~scott/misc/willams1.jpg

He's one of the greatest baseball players of all time and the last man to hit .400.
He invented his own method of hitting and wrote a book on it.
His son was given the best youth coaching in the world and still sucked.
He credited his military service as a necessity of being one of the greatest ever.

When you reply please don't be so arrogant as to paraphrase Ted Williams was the exception and wouldn't work with athletes of today. Since Ted Williams could still hit 400 in the major leagues today.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Hey, the marine corp worked for me. And I wouldn't have gotten a college degree without it. And I don't like being called stupid by whom probabily never played in college athletics and doesn't know what it takes to compete in high level competition.

Obviously it not worked well enough, because I insist that you wrote stupid thing. I didn't call you stupid - only things you wrote. And you may like it or not - I frankly don't give a damn.
I did serve in israeli army, and this was what we were talking about, not about college basketball or Israeli league (about which you have very distorted perception, I must say).
But what on the Earth made you think that if I didn't play in college I don't know what it takes to compete on highest level?


By the way some of the great genious of the 20th century came through military education Rickover, Ben Rich, Yehuda Manor ect.

As I wrote before, I am far from being anty-military. Army, as any organization produces its own share of geniuses, as well as dumbs...
But army is not an organization, which sole purpose is to prepare youngbasketball talents or even make men from boys (which it does most of the time, but sometimes it crushes them too). Army's only purpose is defend interests and territory of its own state. (Sorry for stating obvious, but seems that there was a litlle misconception...)


I've never been there or saw that in my life. No one military would ever write something so stupid. The only people whom say things like that are academics that don't get the real world.

Who said I am an academic person? I am an engineer in big corporation and know too well what really world is.


One last thing do you know who this guy ishttp://www.npt.com/~scott/misc/willams1.jpg

He's one of the greatest baseball players of all time and the last man to hit .400.
He invented his own method of hitting and wrote a book on it.
Obviously I don't know anything about baseball, do I?


His son was given the best youth coaching in the world and still sucked.
So what? If he was son of great player, what makes you think he automatically should be also good one?


He credited his military service as a necessity of being one of the greatest ever.
Well, it was his opinion. He might have good genes...


When you reply please don't be so arrogant as to paraphrase Ted Williams was the exception and wouldn't work with athletes of today. Since Ted Williams could still hit 400 in the major leagues today.

Sorry, but I am so arrogant to say that one men doesn't make a trend...

And we both (I because I don't know and don't give s...t about baseball, you, because he isn't playing today) could not really know how much could he hit today, right?

[Calvin]

Who said I am an academic person? I am an engineer in big corporation and know too well what really world is.

Sorry, but with engineers that statement is most often false.

Lastly, this is a philisophical argument that is not worth getting personal over. Our opinions are different and we're not going to change each others minds. I seriously doubt who you say you are because you would be too much of a black sheep. I've never heard anyone in the military suggest that you can't apply what you learned in any aspect of life and be so disrespectful.

I have to say this one thing.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Calvin
His son was given the best youth coaching in the world and still sucked.

So what? If he was son of great player, what makes you think he automatically should be also good one?

and


Well, it was his opinion. He might have good genes...

If Ted Williams was a great player because he had good genes than his son should be a good player. He thought his time in the military service made him a better person and a better player.

[Czarkazem13]

:D :D :D :D :D
Puff, puff pass....
:D :D :D :D :rolleyes:

Good times, good times....:cool:

[MikeMaccabiFan]

:D :D :D :D :D
Puff, puff pass....
:D :D :D :D :rolleyes:

Good times, good times....:cool:
I have only agree dude:)

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Sorry, but with engineers that statement is most often false.

ROTFLMAO
You typed this on computer designed by some engineer, do you?


I seriously doubt who you say you are because you would be too much of a black sheep.
First of all, I don't have any reason to lie. Second of all, where is the logic in this sentence?


I've never heard anyone in the military suggest that you can't apply what you learned in any aspect of life and be so disrespectful.
Do you read what you are writing? Any logic or common sense?


If Ted Williams was a great player because he had good genes than his son should be a good player.
Was his son cloned?


He thought his time in the military service made him a better person and a better player.
May be, that does make it one mans opinion....

I guess we closed this discussion - Good Luck to Omri:)