Who will record the next Euroleague triple-double?

[wardjdim]

2 Euroleague triple-double figures so far in the Euroleague and we are on the 7th season of the league. Both of them recorded by Nikola Vujcic. Who will post the third one?

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Nikola Vujcic ...again

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Dimitris Diamantidis

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Pablo Prigioni

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Ricky Rubio

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Alex Acker

[Levenspiel]

hmm... I say Vujcic, again. Alex Acker would be the next favorite among these names.

In addition to your list, Nikola Prkacin also could be a candidate, though he's been out of form this season (except last game).

[T.W.Is.M.]

I'm between Acker and Diamantidis, so I voted Acker because he plays for my team:p

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Yes. I think that next candidate before (again) Nikola Vujcic will be Alex Acker - he is great, he play so good basketball :) I like this player!

[-K2-]

me :D

[qiangdade]

Pablo Prigioni has to do it with assists, steals and rebounds cause i don't see him scoring 10 points very often, so i would guess, not.
Puting Ricky Rubio among the candidates because of one good game and leaving out let's say Zisis or Prkacin is somewhat of a blasphemy. Your obsession with the youngsters is becoming annoying. I know u created this thread only because of him.
I can't see Diamantidis ever achieving a triple double. I would rather go for a 5x5 for him.
It is clearly between Acker and Vujcic with the latter having the edge.

[CreEkShooT]

Pablo Prigioni has to do it with assists, steals and rebounds cause i don't see him scoring 10 points very often, so i would guess, not.
Puting Ricky Rubio among the candidates because of one good game and leaving out let's say Zisis or Prkacin is somewhat of a blasphemy. Your obsession with the youngsters is becoming annoying. I know u created this thread only because of him.
I can't see Diamantidis ever achieving a triple double. I would rather go for a 5x5 for him.
It is clearly between Acker and Vujcic with the latter having the edge.
maybe she is in love with him!!!!:D :D :D (rubio)

[qiangdade]

maybe she is in love with him!!!!:D :D :D (rubio)

HAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFL:D :D

[wardjdim]

Puting Ricky Rubio among the candidates because of one good game and leaving out let's say Zisis or Prkacin is somewhat of a blasphemy. Your obsession with the youngsters is becoming annoying. I know u created this thread only because of him.
Yeah, ok. A 16-year old lanky point guard with excellent court-vision, passing game and defensive dedication cannot do it for you. I have no obsession for the youngsters and just see the reality here. The guy is a stats freak and can practically do everything on the court. He had 3 triple-doubles (1 of which was quadruple-double indeed) only last summer in the Cadet Euro championships and he could be a top-5 candidate to record a triple-double, something really rare in the Euroleague. If this happens this year once again (I seriously doubt it), I would say that it's almost impossible for Rubio to be the guy who will do it, but next year? Top-3 candidate for sure.


I can't see Diamantidis ever achieving a triple double. I would rather go for a 5x5 for him.

No 5x5 either. Diamantidis' block career high was 4 (I believe) during his years in Iraklis. Since then, he only rarely focuses on this type of do-it-all defensive game. Steals are another question of course..


maybe she is in love with him!!!!:D :D :D (rubio)
Maybe you don't know what you are talking about... ;)

[FRANKY 13]

No 5x5 either. Diamantidis' block career high was 4 (I believe) during his years in Iraklis. Since then, he only rarely focuses on this type of do-it-all defensive game. Steals are another question of course..


it is indeed very difficult to achieve a 5x5 but I don t agree that diamantidis cant do it.
In last year s game agains real he had 8pts, 4rbs,6 as,4 steals and 3 blocks in only 28 min
So thats quite close to a 5x5

besides he avereges more than or very close to 5 in pts, rbs and assists.
So the trully difficult part are the 5 blocks(we mustnt forget that he was in the top10 blockers in the EL last year) since in steals thea goal of 5 inn t really hard when the average is 3

[Markoishvili]

I think it will be Vujcic again. Maybe Acker or Planinic

[wardjdim]

In order to combine all those stats together, there should be the perfect day. I can recall a game vs PAOK in 2002-03 season, when Diamantidis had a 14 point-9 rebound-4 assist-4 block-4 steal game (we saw it together with qiangdade and that's probably why he thinks that the guy can do the 5x5 thing).
Diamantidis' best achievement remains the 19 point, 14 rebound, 9 assist, 6 steal 2004 playoff game vs Panathinaikos though..

[qiangdade]

Yeah, ok. A 16-year old lanky point guard with excellent court-vision, passing game and defensive dedication cannot do it for you. I have no obsession for the youngsters and just see the reality here. The guy is a stats freak and can practically do everything on the court. He had 3 triple-doubles (1 of which was quadruple-double indeed) only last summer in the Cadet Euro championships and he could be a top-5 candidate to record a triple-double, something really rare in the Euroleague. If this happens this year once again (I seriously doubt it), I would say that it's almost impossible for Rubio to be the guy who will do it, but next year? Top-3 candidate for sure.


i bolded three parts:

1) LAUGHING MY MF ASS OFF!
2)CADET euro champ's! CADET!!
3) First of all joventut has to qualify for the euroleague. And even then there is a series of players who have more chances to do it before him . I am not saying he can't do it, i am just saying that you put him in this list cause you are obsessed with youngsters, leaving out other players who have obviously more chances. Read your own topic, you said the NEXT triple double, not A triple double. And don't tell me that the 1 vote for Rubio didn't come from you...

[qiangdade]

In order to combine all those stats together, there should be the perfect day. I can recall a game vs PAOK in 2002-03 season, when Diamantidis had a 14 point-9 rebound-4 assist-4 block-4 steal game (we saw it together with qiangdade and that's probably why he thinks that the guy can do the 5x5 thing).[/B]
Diamantidis' best achievement remains the 19 point, 14 rebound, 9 assist, 6 steal 2004 playoff game vs Panathinaikos though..


I didn't say he will do a 5x5. I said he has more chances to do a 5x5 rather than a triple double

[wardjdim]

You have got to be kidding me.
Ok Joventut may not make it (in that case, I believe that he has similar chances in Uleb Cup), I agree.
But this here is pure objectivity. I posted the reasons before and I stick to that. Stats come way too easily for this guy to ignore him and I called him a top-5 player for the next one. Not necessarily the favorite..

[qiangdade]

You have got to be kidding me.
Ok Joventut may not make it (in that case, I believe that he has similar chances in Uleb Cup), I agree.
But this here is pure objectivity. I posted the reasons before and I stick to that. Stats come way too easily for this guy to ignore him and I called him a top-5 player for the next one. Not necessarily the favorite..

you called him top-5 for A triple double( where i don't necesserily disagree), and you called him top-3 for the NEXT one( where i disagree) and that is the topic of YOUR thread. And tell us now who you voted for.

[wardjdim]

I called him a top-5 for the NEXT triple double and a top-3 if the triple double takes place next year onwards...

[c_fish]

I'd go for Vujcic.He has proven he can do it and he gets lots of playing time.
It's easier for tall players to achieve such stats

[FRANKY 13]

I d go for either voujcic or Acker( though I strongly believe that acker won t take part to the next EL)
:D

as for rubio.
wardjdim I guess that you actually judge from the previous game against PAO.
I have to agree that if somebody looks at his stats he will think that he can accomplish a Triple D even now.
But thats not true. I don t know if you saw the game but Rubio in the first half looked seriously in trouble. Couldn t penetrate, needed 15 seconds in order to reach the opposit court and start organizing the offence. Too many TO( I even remember once that vujanic stole the ball in front of his basket and just went to the layup).
Then in the second half PAO players were just joking arround and litteraly were handling him the ball sametimes:eek: Thats why he had mainly the 7 steals and also the assists whic were mostly due to the steals in the fast break.

Now I don t say that he s not a good player. He s terrific, but still not ready.
Badalona lost the 2 games against PAO mainly due to him. Its hard to say that because hes only 16 but thats the truth.
I think he could e a serious candidate for the TD in the next 3 years(no way sooner)

As for the cadets. That doesn t mean anything. rentzias with the junior men was combining Triple Double and High fives and look where he ended up.

If it was up to me I would let this kid go to school, play with the cadets and when the time would come , I would let him play.
Now it s too soon and and this noise arround this kid can only harm him.
The example of rentzias is caracteristic.

[qiangdade]

i guess i have to quote your post again:



Yeah, ok. A 16-year old lanky point guard with excellent court-vision, passing game and defensive dedication cannot do it for you. I have no obsession for the youngsters and just see the reality here. The guy is a stats freak and can practically do everything on the court. He had 3 triple-doubles (1 of which was quadruple-double indeed) only last summer in the Cadet Euro championships and he could be a top-5 candidate to record a triple-double, something really rare in the Euroleague. If this happens this year once again (I seriously doubt it), I would say that it's almost impossible for Rubio to be the guy who will do it, but next year? Top-3 candidate for sure.[/B]


And you are still avoiding to answer who you voted for, though i think that it is very clear by now. I believe you voted for rubio and put him above vujcic and acker. And if that doesn't show obsession...:rolleyes:

[wardjdim]

I voted for Rubio, because that's what I think will happen..

[qiangdade]

I think i have already proven my point...

[wardjdim]

I think that you want to drag me down to your level and beat me with experience... :D

This means you haven't proven anything. ;)

[HIGHLANDER]

Mike Batiste has a chance i think.
Double figure in points, rebounds and on a great day he will get 10 assists.:cool:

[qiangdade]

I think that you want to drag me down to your level and beat me with experience... :D

This means you haven't proven anything. ;)

You are constantly failing to provide objective reasons why a 16 year-old kid has better chances to record the next triple double instead of (mainly) vujcic or acker. Therefor you are not objective, so i have proven my point;)

[T.W.Is.M.]

On second thought...Big Sofo will do it!10 points 10 rebounds and 10 big macs at halftime!!!:p
btw...how tall is Rubio?I mean, can he get 10 rebounds as easy as Diamantidis even at the peak of his career?

[qiangdade]

btw...how tall is Rubio?I mean, can he get 10 rebounds as easy as Diamantidis even at the peak of his career?

1.92 but he is only 16. I guess he will grow further.

[wardjdim]

You are constantly failing to provide objective reasons why a 16 year-old kid has better chances to record the next triple double instead of (mainly) vujcic or acker. Therefor you are not objective, so i have proven my point;)

You are constantly failing to prove your point, because I never said that Rubio has more chances than them. I posted the following: "If this happens this year once again (I seriously doubt it), I would say that it's almost impossible for Rubio to be the guy who will do it, but next year? Top-3 candidate for sure."

This proves me right from the beginning. I am not doubting his chances for next year, but this season, it's really tough. I also don't believe there will be another triple-double this year though..

[elaj]

Marko Milic has a chance for triple-double on awsome night... scoring and rebounding shouldn't be a problem, also when he's hot he can diss out 5+ assits.

[qiangdade]

You are constantly failing to prove your point, because I never said that Rubio has more chances than them. I posted the following: "If this happens this year once again (I seriously doubt it), I would say that it's almost impossible for Rubio to be the guy who will do it, but next year? Top-3 candidate for sure."

This proves me right from the beginning. I am not doubting his chances for next year, but this season, it's really tough. I also don't believe there will be another triple-double this year though..

topic: who will record the next triple double in the euroleague
your answer: Ricky Rubio

Pretty clear to me. I think that once again you got overexcited by a performance of a youngster. History repeating...

[wardjdim]

Dragging down all the time... ;)

[qiangdade]

Ok, i will quit this. I know you far too long and good anyway for you to fool me...:D

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Guys, only Niko can do it anyway, so stop arguing :p ;)

[wyopeq]

Efes Pilsen general manager Engin Ozerhun arranged a press conference yesterday about Horace Jenkins. He said that they are looking for a new playmaker and added that the complaints from IBN users made us think once more again.
According to a very trustful source(Trepagnier told me). When Efes went to US for the preseason games, Efes talked with Jason Kidd to play in Efes... But in that time Jason refused this, and said "i have to do some work here, first i need to catch Wilt Chamberlain in triple doubles. Efes managars came back home.. But a week ago, speculations say that Jason called Efes back after he heard Vujcic.. And will sign a contract in a week.
So i vote for Jason Kidd...
And i nominate this post for the best dreamer of the year award.

[wardjdim]

He drags me down and then he quits, so to prove that I dragged him down first! :P

[MikeMaccabiFan]

He drags me down and then he quits, so to prove that I dragged him down first! :P
hmmm, can you do it in private - dragging each other down, etc.:) So we won't be too excited...:p

[qiangdade]

He drags me down and then he quits, so to prove that I dragged him down first! :P

HAHA!:D We have to quit or else we are up for spammers of the year

[Manatax]

Ricky rules :D

[wardjdim]

The point is that the 3rd best statistical category of the player has to be more than 5/40', so in the best possible game, the player can reach a total of ten in this category. This season's per minute stats:

1) Rubio: 0.20 steals/minute (8/40'), 0.19 assists/min (7.6/40'), 0.18 ponts/min (7.2/40'), 0.13 rebs/min (5.2/40')

2) Diamantidis: 0.29 points/min (11.6/40'), 0.16 rebs/min (6.4/40'), 0.15 assists/min (6.0/40'), 0.10 steals/min (4.0/40')

3) Vujcic: 0.50 points/min (20.0/40'), 0.25 rebs/min (10/40'), 0.14 asts/min (5.6/40')

4) Prigioni: 0.26 points/min (10.4/40'), 0.20 assists/min (8.0/40'), 0.11 steals/min (4.4/40')

5) Acker: 0.48 points/min (19.2/40'), 0.22 rebs/min (8.8/40'), 0.08 ast/min (3.2/40'), 0.07 steals/min (2.8/40')

Of course, the per/minute stats only rarely say the truth and Euroleague is such an unpredictable thing. Indeed, Acker has more ups and downs than Diamantidis and much more playing time than Prigioni and Rubio, thus he should be ranked 2nd, with Vujcic 1st for this season.

But, if there is no triple-double this season, I think Ricky can be a serious contender for the next one. Imagine, if Joventut plays in the Euroleague, that Rubio won't be a rookie and probably have improved his shooting touch..

[tewkyhoops]

I have to add that RUbio could be the next one. You guys talk about Triple Doubles like they happen each week. As has been noted, this is the second in the history of the EL(7 Years), so we could feasibly be waiting for 3-5 years for the next one, in which time Rubio will have become an "Adult" and will(as his current level suggests) have become the player we all think he will. Very good possibility to be him. He isnt the favourite, but as time goes on, he gets closer to being that man.

Also comments about people judging hime by 1 game. I watch ACB, and he has been playing for Joventut since he was 14 years old. This season averaging 19 minutes a game. He leads the Euroleague in steals, he leads the ACB in steals, he gives assists well. His points are low, but this will definately go up, go look at his stats for each game of the EL, and the ACB, and see how many shots he gets off in a game, never more than 2 or 3. They arent letting him pull the trigger right now, thats plain to see.

Personally I would like it to be Pablo Prigioni, especially after illness wrecked his World Championships, hes a much better PG than Sanchez in my opinion. But he isnt just competing for those rebounds with the Opposition, but with Scola, Splitter, Teletovic, Peker and crew. Tau aent the best rebounders, so for pablo to come ou with 10 out of the 30ish they will get, with the bigs they have mopping up, seems unrealistic.

Fav for the next has to be the only guy who even has one.Vujicic.

Just an opinion though

Tewkyhoops

[rikhardur]

Vujčić imo.

[CreEkShooT]

well i agree i believe that batiste in a game like pao vss eldo napoli can achieve a triple double,,,,it wont be so difficult:p i think so

[HIGHLANDER]

On second thought...Big Sofo will do it!10 points 10 rebounds and 10 big macs at halftime!!!:p
btw...how tall is Rubio?I mean, can he get 10 rebounds as easy as Diamantidis even at the peak of his career?

Thats funny man. Although probably 10 Big Macs, 10 Goody Burgers,
15 soolvlakies.:cool:

[T.W.Is.M.]

Thats funny man. Although probably 10 Big Macs, 10 Goody Burgers,
15 soolvlakies.:cool:

He can do that too, but Pini won't let him eat all that!Actually, Pini wouldn't let him eat the big macs either, but I'm sure Sofo can make 10 big macs disappear without anybody notice they are there!!!:p

[final countdown]

Come on guys, don't be so hard on him.
I still have trust in his talent (not so much in his brain though).
Leaving OLY under Gherson is an option that can still make up things.

ps I have voted for Vujcic in this poll

[T.W.Is.M.]

Personally I would like it if he could read this stuff just 2 understand what he is doing 2 himself and his career.I want him 2 fulfil his potential 100% and become one of the best centers in Europe,but he's not helping himself.I read an article about the situation yesterday and the bottom line was that Gershon is not 2 blame 4 what's happening.Sofo hasn't tried 2 keep himself in shape and he is not in a position 2 last in the court 4 more than 10-15 mpg.If this is close 2 the truth, then leaving is not a solution.Training hard and losing weight though is.We Olympiacos fans love him and wanna c him play, as long as he is in a position 2 help...

[wardjdim]

Back to back fantastic Euroleague outcomes from Wonder Ricky make the nomination necessary:
vs Panathinaikos 26 mins, 5 points, 3 rebounds, 7 steals, 7 assists
vs Unicaja 22 mins, 6 points, 4 rebounds, 7 steals, 6 assists

This kid is already too good to handle...

[qiangdade]

Back to back fantastic Euroleague outcomes from Wonder Ricky make the nomination necessary:
vs Panathinaikos 26 mins, 5 points, 3 rebounds, 7 steals, 7 assists
vs Unicaja 22 mins, 6 points, 4 rebounds, 7 steals, 6 assists

This kid is already too good to handle...

Stats made in dead time in both games. That has to be a joke. Judging a player by a game that ended with a 53 point margin. Stop drooling wardjdim and hide that boner of yours...

[rikhardur]

But do you acknowledge his value and potential qiangdade? Bearing in mind he's 16 y.o.?

[wardjdim]

Dont pay attention to qiangdade's jokes. I am sure that deep in his heart, he agrees with the common sense...
He is just to stubborn to admit it ;)

[final countdown]

Dont pay attention to qiangdade's jokes. I am sure that deep in his heart, he agrees with the common sense...
He is just to stubborn to admit it ;)

I believe that u r "rushing" to conclusions!
Don't forget that we have seen in the past better players than this youngster at about the same age (Rentzias for example), but we all know what happened! Although i admitt that he is a tremendous talent, only time can tell :)

[wardjdim]

Don't forget that we have seen in the past better players than this youngster at about the same age (Rentzias for example), but we all know what happened!
Please, tell me you are joking...

[final countdown]

Please, tell me you are joking...

NO!U can check this http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/competition/latest_results.asp?RoundID=2895&lang=EN&fisC=false&CompetitionCode=WMJM&Season=1995&act_link=1&StatType=OA

where u can see some youngsters back in 1995, where Retzias was by FAR the best player.
If it is no bother, check the rosters of all the teams and u will be surprised :)

[wardjdim]

Again, please tell me you are joking...
Rentzias was overrated from day 1 of his career and all the silly teenage kids of the time (one of whom was me :D) thought he would become a great center (although he was more of a PF). It isn't even close, believe me. People have learnt how to scout since then and Rubio is for real. Rentzias never was and it was proven the season after this 1995 U-19 WC..

[final countdown]

Again, please tell me you are joking...
Rentzias was overrated from day 1 of his career and all the silly teenage kids of the time (one of whom was me :D) thought he would become a great center (although he was more of a PF). It isn't even close, believe me. People have learnt how to scout since then and Rubio is for real. Rentzias never was and it was proven the season after this 1995 U-19 WC..

My friend i really don't know!
Whatever we say right now, we r in no posistion to predict what will happen in the future (at least i can't :D )!
Maybe Rubio will be better even than MJ, maybe he will end up just an average player...
In any case i wish him all the best :)

[Trifilli]

Rentzias was never overrated, he was a really talented kid. However he didn't have the right attitude for becoming a great player as well, and he was plagued by injuries - these combinations resulted in the tragic career he had imo.
Being overhyped as a young player is dangerous, many kids will lose their focus and stop working hard, something that always means the end of "superstar" dreams. And there's one more important thing for the development of young players: how do they react facing difficult situations? Most kids who're shining never faced big troubles before and it's easy to shine when you're already highflying. However they'll face difficulties at a point, and that's were careers often break, because the kids are not up to the challenge, don't know how to get up again. And of course injuries can destroy a lot.
So in conclusion: Rubio is a very talented kid - but keep in mind that he's only 16 and that so much can still happen. I really hope that he'll succeed, but he shouldn't be overhyped and it's way too early to compare him to other players in the past, who had great careers.

I voted for Vujcic btw :p

[qiangdade]

But do you acknowledge his value and potential qiangdade? Bearing in mind he's 16 y.o.?

Never said the opposite. He's extremelly talented and maybe he will become a huge player. But the topic of this thread is who will record the next triple double, and imo other players have more chances than him.


Dont pay attention to qiangdade's jokes. I am sure that deep in his heart, he agrees with the common sense...
He is just to stubborn to admit it

The common sense being that Rubio will record the next triple double?? I think you are going too far with this. Maybe you should have just named the thread "ricky rubio's potential". You would probably manage not to wander offtopic every time. Shall i create a thread for you where you can drool all the time about rubio?? Now bugger off and don't assume what is in my heart or in my mind please...

[damelo]

Stats made in dead time in both games. That has to be a joke. Judging a player by a game that ended with a 53 point margin. Stop drooling wardjdim and hide that boner of yours...

I don't think a game can be dead during 26 minutes...

Anyway, I don't think he will become a tripledouble player that year, but, if Vujcic don't do it again before next season, I think Rubio will be the next as he can reach ten in 4 categories I think. Whereas Vujcic is limited to 3 categories. I think they are the two guys who will morre likely achieve a tripledouble in EL.

[T.W.Is.M.]

This poll is all wrong from the beginning.The possible answers for the next triple-double should be:
a)Brindley Wright
b)Marko Milic
c)Dimitris Diamantidis

Their teams play over the next 3 weeks against Malaga in the order I wrote them.Wright has his chance first, Milic second and if they don't make it Diamantidis will definitely make it.Ricky Rubio had a chance but missed it...:p :p :p

[FRANKY 13]

I don't think a game can be dead during 26 minutes...

Anyway, I don't think he will become a tripledouble player that year, but, if Vujcic don't do it again before next season, I think Rubio will be the next as he can reach ten in 4 categories I think. Whereas Vujcic is limited to 3 categories. I think they are the two guys who will morre likely achieve a tripledouble in EL.

Rubio can t make it with rebounds. No way.
Even diamantidis( the best rebounder point guard in the EL) never got more than 8 rebounds in one game during the last 2 years eventhough he averages 5 rebounds a game.

So thats why I think that rubio doesn t have a lot of chances to get the tripple double. It is very difficult to make a tripple double with steals and assists.

[damelo]

Rubio can t make it with rebounds. No way.
Even diamantidis( the best rebounder point guard in the EL) never got more than 8 rebounds in one game during the last 2 years eventhough he averages 5 rebounds a game.

So thats why I think that rubio doesn t have a lot of chances to get the tripple double. It is very difficult to make a tripple double with steals and assists.

Sure that's very difficult to make it with assists and steals, but, it's also very difficult to make it with boards and assists. The proof is only 2 in 5 years or more. So I don't think many tripledoubles will take place this year more than last year... Rubio is just crazy, and I think he will be able to take ten rebounds in a game in EL. He is just 16, so let's give him the time to develop. But he may become soon one of the most dominating players in European history.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

Being overhyped as a young player is dangerous, many kids will lose their focus and stop working hard, something that always means the end of "superstar" dreams. And there's one more important thing for the development of young players: how do they react facing difficult situations? Most kids who're shining never faced big troubles before and it's easy to shine when you're already highflying. However they'll face difficulties at a point, and that's were careers often break, because the kids are not up to the challenge, don't know how to get up again. And of course injuries can destroy a lot.
....
I voted for Vujcic btw :p
Absolutely agree (with the vote too, BTW :p).
For instance, Yotam Halperin was shining when he was in kadet and youth teams - he's for about 10 years "big promise" of Israeli basketball. Today he is not more than just good average EL guard...

[Picek]

Absolutely agree (with the vote too, BTW :p).
For instance, Yotam Halperin was shining when he was in kadet and youth teams - he's for about 10 years "big promise" of Israeli basketball. Today he is not more than just good average EL guard...
but Halperin had a different problem..
before this season he never got a real chance in Maccabi..
and Rubio is already playing more then Bennet for instance..

[MikeMaccabiFan]

but Halperin had a different problem..
before this season he never got a real chance in Maccabi..
and Rubio is already playing more then Bennet for instance..
You are mostly right, but Halpering himself made wrong career decisions - he had to leave to Galil long ago. (He could not go abroad because of army service). But he also had a year in Olimpija, but I don't see that he's much better than he was before.
I haven't seen Rubio playing (was in States when they were playing against Maccabi), but I guess he could be a star, judging by stats, but still, you can never know.

[ziv]

there are many differences between rubio and halperin (and rubio vs. almost every player) - but the main one is attitude and approach to the game. rubio just "takes a bite" at the game as we say.
it's amazing to watch a guy with such an aggresive approach to the game. i praised v-span for it last year but rubio shadows him in that espect. the guy just comes right at you on defense and on on offense. he attacks the basket constenetly, looking for the penetration, the shoot - he recognises a slight advantage over his defender and he try to use it. same goes on D, just a glimpse by the guy he's guarding and he goes for the steal, he forces the attacker to think, and dribble away from him all the time.
that's basically got nothing to do with age - it's a matter of approach or attitude.

[MikeMaccabiFan]

there are many differences between rubio and halperin (and rubio vs. almost every player) - but the main one is attitude and approach to the game. rubio just "takes a bite" at the game as we say.
it's amazing to watch a guy with such an aggresive approach to the game. i praised v-span for it last year but rubio shadows him in that espect. the guy just comes right at you on defense and on on offense. he attacks the basket constenetly, looking for the penetration, the shoot - he recognises a slight advantage over his defender and he try to use it. same goes on D, just a glimpse by the guy he's guarding and he goes for the steal, he forces the attacker to think, and dribble away from him all the time.
that's basically got nothing to do with age - it's a matter of approach or attitude.
Well, that's really matter of attitude - Halperin has the talent and ability, but he's hesistating, playing laterally, keeping ball too much, is affraid to take penetration sometimes... He should take lessons in attitude from Derek Sharp - he made penetration last game against two towers from Partizan and made basket and foul...

[T.W.Is.M.]

if the Lottomatica-Maccabi game goes to OT we probably will have the answer from tonight!

[Levenspiel]

25-7-7 and OT... let's see...


Prediction: he will not make it. 3 more asists in 5 mins will be difficult.

[T.W.Is.M.]

25-7-7 and OT... let's see...

That's what I was about 2 write...I hope he makes it because he's in my fantasy team;)

[T.W.Is.M.]

Seems like Vujcic won't make it.The score is 80-74 and he is 25-8-7.Now Bynum will have the ball in his hands and he will do what he only knows:p and that's not pass to Vujcic...

[ziv]

nano mancineli wasn't too far from a triple double (3 rebounds short) but he was close to make a steals-triple-double as he had 10 steals!