29th William Jones Cup [Jul 2-10 Taiwan]

[Kings]

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Schedule
July 2
Jordan 63 - Kazakhstan 61
Lebanon 80 - Iran 71
South Korea 70 - Qatar 69
Philippines 72 - USA 67
Chinese Taipei 90 - Japan 77

July 3
USA 106 - Qatar 68
Kazakhstan 96 - Japan 61
South Korea 71 - Jordan 65
Lebanon 65 - Philippines 62
Iran 85 - Chinese Taipei 69

July 4
Lebanon 90 - Kazakhstan 77
Qatar 74 - Iran 72
Japan 86 - Philippines 84
USA 79 - South Korea 65
Jordan 81 - Chinese Taipei 62

July 5
Qatar 80 - Kazakhstan 70
Iran 86 - Japan 59
Jordan 69 - USA 66
Philippines 88 - South Korea 84
Chinese Taipei 78 - Lebanon 77

July 6
Qatar 86 - Japan 68
USA 81 - Lebanon 70
Jordan 74 - Philippines 70
Iran 68 - South Korea 61
Chinese Taipei 72 - Kazakhstan 64

July 7
Jordan 72 - Lebanon 68
USA 92 - Kazakhstan 78
Philippines 89 - Iran 79
South Korea 102 - Japan 58
Chinese Taipei 75 - Qatar 70

July 8
USA 108 - Japan 83
Lebanon 73 - South Korea 69
Iran 82 - Kazakhstan 60
Philippines 82 - Chinese Taipei 64
Jordan 91 - Qatar 85

July 9
Lebanon 82 - Japan 74
Jordan 72 - Iran 71
Philippines 88 - Qatar 80
South Korea 81 - Kazakhstan 78
Chinese Taipei 83 - USA 72

July 10
Japan 102 - Jordan 101
Lebanon 85 - Qatar 77
Kazkahstan 107 - Philippines 90
Iran 91 - USA 74
South Korea 82 - Chinese Taipei 59


Statistics
Scoring
El Cheikh Fadi El Khatib(Lebanon) 23.9
M.S. Nikkhah Bahrami(Iran) 20.3
Anton Ponomarev(Kazakhstan) 18.7

Rebounds
Anton Ponomarev(Kazakhstan) 9.7
Hamed Ehadadi(Iran) 9.1
Joseph Vogel(Leabanon) 8.8

Assists
Yang Dong-Geun(South Korea) 5.9
Kim Seung-Hyun(South Korea) 4.7
Javad Davan(Iran) 4.4

Steals
Hamed Afagh Eslamieh(Iran) 1.9
Yang Dong-Geun(South Korea) 1.9
Kim Joo-Sung(Soth Korea) 1.8

Blocks
Kim Joo-Sung(Soth Korea) 2.0
Ha Seung-Jin(South Korea) 2.0
Tsun Wen-Din(Chinese Taipei) 1.9


28th William Jones Cup (http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?t=662)

[karim]

when is the tournament going to be ?

[sickcurtain_16]

I think it's on the title (July 2). I hope that the Philippines sends it true National Team. If we do that, then maybe, championship is not that far. :)

[jramoyo]

I think it's on the title (July 2). I hope that the Philippines sends it true National Team. If we do that, then maybe, championship is not that far. :)

I think they would, RP doesn't really compete in the jones cup unless for RP Team training...

[Grr_tiger]

I think they would, RP doesn't really compete in the jones cup unless for RP Team training...


it's unsure yet whether Team Pilipinas will be participating in this year's Jones Cup. there's no word yet from the SBP and the tournament hasn't been mentioned in any of its itineraries.

[bognut]

it's unsure yet whether Team Pilipinas will be participating in this year's Jones Cup. there's no word yet from the SBP and the tournament hasn't been mentioned in any of its itineraries.

i think coach chot did mention that jones cup would be the last stop for RP training before the august fiba world champs! anyway goodluck to RP!

[asapa11]

i hope its televised here in the philippines...

[Kings]

Small Asian Cup

[kalamity131]

Small Asian Cup


I'll watch it nonetheless...

[Projectspeed]

This competition will surely serves as a preview for the much awaited 2007 FIBA-Asia Championship...

[bobo81]

Is the USA team gonna be D-League guys...?CBA guys? NCAA guys?...?

[Grr_tiger]

Small Asian Cup


i sense the bad blood between China and Taiwan. hmmm..... :rolleyes:

[Projectspeed]

I doubt if the RP team under Chot Reyes will compete in the coming Jones Cup (July 2-17) since RP team is planning to join the Qatar Invitational (July 5-10) and to hold a pocket tournament (July 15-20).

[Oz_Pinoy23]

I doubt if the RP team under Chot Reyes will compete in the coming Jones Cup (July 2-17) since RP team is planning to join the Qatar Invitational (July 5-10) and to hold a pocket tournament (July 15-20).
thanks for the info,.

[Servinio]

when is the tournament going to be ?
THE TOURNAMENT has always been held in Chinese-Taipei.

Small Asian Cup
FOR A tournament to last for 29 years is a big achievement. The annual William Jones Cup is even older than most major pro or semi-pro Asian leagues save for the Philippine Basketball Association.

It's not confined as an Asian Cup as the Jones Cup in its long history has managed to attract competition from top countries in Europe, Africa, Australia and the Americas.

[lrangels]

Is the USA team gonna be D-League guys...?CBA guys? NCAA guys?...?

I think some small team (e.g., Athletes in Action) like last year.

;)

[Silent Killer]

RP will likely send the SEAG basketball team. the all amateur team to prepare in SEAG in thailand.

[bobo81]

I hope some famous TV station broadcasts these games...So we can somehow watch it on the internet :D

[spreekanick]

by the way..who's William Jones? He aint taiwanese right? any why annualy in Taiwan

[Servinio]

by the way..who's William Jones? He aint taiwanese right? any why annualy in Taiwan
R. William Jones is a former Secretary-General of the FIBA.

[ithons26]

SMC-RP 5 UP FOR MANAGEMENT TEAM EVALUATION ON MAY 31
“We’ll plot what’s best for the team” – Eala
Tuesday, 29 May 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand – An hour of reckoning loomed over San Miguel-Pilipinas even as it celebrated with quiet restraint its moment of triumph in the 7th Southeast Asian Basketball Men's Championship at Ratchaburi, a rustic town 100 kilometers west of the capital.

There was no frenzied outburst at the final buzzer. No player pileup. No victory ride. No tears falling, nor big hugs all around.

Instead there was a slow procession from the locker room back to the playing court for the awarding ceremony, a somber dinner at the hotel restaurant, and national coach Chot Reyes talking about three players – Willie Miller of Alaska, Kelly Williams of Sta. Lucia Realty and Gave Norwood, a Fil-Am who played for George Mason U.

A date was also set: May 31.

Unless conflicting schedules force its postponement, five men – PBA chairman Ricky Vargas, Commissioner Noli Eala, Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Patrick Gregorio, RP team manager Robert Non and Reyes – would gather on Thursday to make an evaluation on the final composition of the national team going to Tokushima, Japan for the FIBA-Asia Men's Championship on July 28-Aug. 5.

This much is known: A new training pool would be formed where Miller and Williams, if their ball clubs allow them, and Norwood, if he is found, would be
added.

Two new assistant coaches would be appointed to the team and the names of Joel Banal, Jong Uichico, Binky Favis and Alfrancis Chua were mentioned.

A doctor would be assigned to the national team, and possibly a nutritionist.

Lastly, proposed foreign trips to Belgrade and Qatar, preparatory to Tokushima, the qualifier to the Beijing Olympics next year, might be scrapped in favor of the nine-games-in-nine days William Jones Cup in Taiwan where China, Korea, Chinese-Taipei and Japan will be playing.

"I think that would be a more attractive tournament," said Eala, who minced no words on the imperativeness of change within the team which ran roughshod over the SEABA competition by an average margin of 38.5 points.

"Although winning restores our confidence after Tehran, this is not the time to celebrate or be complacent," he said. "There's still much room for improvement, especially in the scouting of opponents, the strengthening and conditioning of the players, and the composition of the coaching staff."

Eala said they will "regroup" in Manila "to plot what's best" for the team.

"While I don't want to second-guess coach Chot, the training program, I feel, needs to be more focused on areas of weaknesses which I don't think would be addressed by the planned trips to Belgrade and Qatar," he said. "A balance has to be struck."

Gregorio, appointed to the SBP post only weeks ago, said two major concerns need to be analyzed – the significance of the foreign trips and the conditioning
and focus of the team.

"While winning the SEABA is a wonderful gift, the best is yet to come," he said.

Non went to specifics in identifying points of attention: mental preparedness, conditioning, and total team effort.

"There should be no superstar in this team," he said. "Everybody should accept the role assigned to him."

Among those painfully exposed during the weeklong battle with overmatched opponents from Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand were the all-pro team's slow starts, difficulty defending quick-moving offenses, generally unremarkable outside shooting (except for Renren Ritualo's 9 of 12 three-pointers against Malaysia), and ball movement woes.

"We're not necessarily saying that players had to be changed," Eala stressed. "But if there's a need to augment the lineup, especially if we have players not performing as expected, then this should be considered."

The SMC-RP squad returns home Tuesday, with the uncertainty of the near future hovering over it and the promise of an Olympic experience a bit farther in
realization.

[viperbravo]

SMC-RP 5 UP FOR MANAGEMENT TEAM EVALUATION ON MAY 31
“We’ll plot what’s best for the team” – Eala
Tuesday, 29 May 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand – An hour of reckoning loomed over San Miguel-Pilipinas even as it celebrated with quiet restraint its moment of triumph in the 7th Southeast Asian Basketball Men's Championship at Ratchaburi, a rustic town 100 kilometers west of the capital.

There was no frenzied outburst at the final buzzer. No player pileup. No victory ride. No tears falling, nor big hugs all around.

Instead there was a slow procession from the locker room back to the playing court for the awarding ceremony, a somber dinner at the hotel restaurant, and national coach Chot Reyes talking about three players – Willie Miller of Alaska, Kelly Williams of Sta. Lucia Realty and Gave Norwood, a Fil-Am who played for George Mason U.

A date was also set: May 31.

Unless conflicting schedules force its postponement, five men – PBA chairman Ricky Vargas, Commissioner Noli Eala, Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas executive director Patrick Gregorio, RP team manager Robert Non and Reyes – would gather on Thursday to make an evaluation on the final composition of the national team going to Tokushima, Japan for the FIBA-Asia Men's Championship on July 28-Aug. 5.

This much is known: A new training pool would be formed where Miller and Williams, if their ball clubs allow them, and Norwood, if he is found, would be
added.

Two new assistant coaches would be appointed to the team and the names of Joel Banal, Jong Uichico, Binky Favis and Alfrancis Chua were mentioned.

A doctor would be assigned to the national team, and possibly a nutritionist.

Lastly, proposed foreign trips to Belgrade and Qatar, preparatory to Tokushima, the qualifier to the Beijing Olympics next year, might be scrapped in favor of the nine-games-in-nine days William Jones Cup in Taiwan where China, Korea, Chinese-Taipei and Japan will be playing.

"I think that would be a more attractive tournament," said Eala, who minced no words on the imperativeness of change within the team which ran roughshod over the SEABA competition by an average margin of 38.5 points.

"Although winning restores our confidence after Tehran, this is not the time to celebrate or be complacent," he said. "There's still much room for improvement, especially in the scouting of opponents, the strengthening and conditioning of the players, and the composition of the coaching staff."

Eala said they will "regroup" in Manila "to plot what's best" for the team.

"While I don't want to second-guess coach Chot, the training program, I feel, needs to be more focused on areas of weaknesses which I don't think would be addressed by the planned trips to Belgrade and Qatar," he said. "A balance has to be struck."

Gregorio, appointed to the SBP post only weeks ago, said two major concerns need to be analyzed – the significance of the foreign trips and the conditioning
and focus of the team.

"While winning the SEABA is a wonderful gift, the best is yet to come," he said.

Non went to specifics in identifying points of attention: mental preparedness, conditioning, and total team effort.

"There should be no superstar in this team," he said. "Everybody should accept the role assigned to him."

Among those painfully exposed during the weeklong battle with overmatched opponents from Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand were the all-pro team's slow starts, difficulty defending quick-moving offenses, generally unremarkable outside shooting (except for Renren Ritualo's 9 of 12 three-pointers against Malaysia), and ball movement woes.

"We're not necessarily saying that players had to be changed," Eala stressed. "But if there's a need to augment the lineup, especially if we have players not performing as expected, then this should be considered."

The SMC-RP squad returns home Tuesday, with the uncertainty of the near future hovering over it and the promise of an Olympic experience a bit farther in
realization.



My proposed lineup for the RP team:

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
3. Yancy de Ocampo = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
4. Sonny Thoss (for defense/offense with a good height)= 6'8
5. Danny Seigle = 6'6
6. Kelly Williams = 6'6
7. Kerby Raymundo = 6'6 or Ranidel de Ocampo 6'6
8. Mark Caguia = 6'1
9. Don Don Hontiveros = 6'2
10. Jimmy Alapag = 5'9
11. Gabe Norwood = 6'5 PG/SF (if available) if not then Willie Miller = 5'11
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1

My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Sonny Thoss = 6'8
3. Danny Seigle = 6'6
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Jimmy Alapag = 5'9

[vladski]

Miller for Alapag should be considered.

Going back to 2005 and 2006 line up, so much have been changed. In the initail composition of the RP Team, alapag was not among them just to name afew. We need a PG that can do damage offensively also and alapag is not having so much about that compared to what Miller can do. Alapag loves to kick the ball out even if he's free to shoot. While Miller can really break the zone defense when he drives to the basket. I have nothing against Alapag, it's just so happen that we need to augment the team composition which Miller can make a BIG difference when he's with the team.

I remember how Miller shattered the zone defense of our opponents in international tournaments when he starts to drive to the basket. He can shoot, run and defend. A point guard like Alapag is good but not good enough when all he can do is to pass and run. Though it really matters when you can do that like ALapag, the point is, we need to score too and that you can count on from Miller.

The rest of the positions like 3 & 4 were already mentioned by some forumers. I guess some names will be replaced by Chot.

In case Alapag's performance really impressed Chot then he should consider replacing Hilterbrand. Need not to say the reason. Just look at his performance in SEABA and Asia Champions Cup, and you will definitely find the answers.

[vladski]

And to add more:

Check out China's line up... they put more numbers for their No. 5 positions while Philippines is investing more for 1 & 2 positions. I guess China really knows where to capitalize thier strength which so happen is the weakness for Philippines.

[viperbravo]

And to add more:

Check out China's line up... they put more numbers for their No. 5 positions while Philippines is investing more for 1 & 2 positions. I guess China really knows where to capitalize thier strength which so happen is the weakness for Philippines.

1. Miller for Alapag. Maybe! By the way he played in the recent PBA games. Maybe BRO!

2. Your right! but how can we invest for #5 position, if we don't have such position in our country that can make a difference...I think we need to focus on defense.

Best example: The Glory Road Movie.

They are the underdog in that tournament, but, what happened? they won the championship...Its the character of the player, that i want to emphasize for the RP team. Even though we don't have a big/tall player in the lineup, we can still win and defeat other teams in ASIA...

3. My proposed lineup for the RP team:

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
3. Yancy de Ocampo = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
4. Sonny Thoss (for defense/offense with a good height)= 6'8
5. Danny Seigle = 6'6
6. Kelly Williams = 6'6
7. Kerby Raymundo = 6'6
8. Mark Caguia = 6'1
9. Don Don Hontiveros = 6'2
10. Willie Miller = 6'1
11. Gabe Norwood = 6'5 PG/SF (if available) if not then Ranidel de Ocampo 6'6
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1

My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Sonny Thoss = 6'8
3. Danny Seigle = 6'6
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Willie Miller = 6'1

[viperbravo]

How about David Pennisi? the younger brother of Mick Pennisi. I think he is now playing in Italy..He's a 6'10 Center with more experience in the EURO League!
he can make a difference if he played for the RP team. TAULAVA and DAVID PENNISI, twin tower ha!

[vladski]

1. Miller for Alapag. Maybe! By the way he played in the recent PBA games. Maybe BRO!

2. Your right! but how can we invest for #5 position, if we don't have such position in our country that can make a difference...I think we need to focus on defense.

Best example: The Glory Road Movie.

They are the underdog in that tournament, but, what happened? they won the championship...Its the character of the player, that i want to emphasize for the RP team. Even though we don't have a big/tall player in the lineup, we can still win and defeat other teams in ASIA...

3. My proposed lineup for the RP team:

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
3. Yancy de Ocampo = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
4. Sonny Thoss (for defense/offense with a good height)= 6'8
5. Danny Seigle = 6'6
6. Kelly Williams = 6'6
7. Kerby Raymundo = 6'6
8. Mark Caguia = 6'1
9. Don Don Hontiveros = 6'2
10. Willie Miller = 6'1
11. Gabe Norwood = 6'5 PG/SF (if available) if not then Ranidel de Ocampo 6'6
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1 (our secret weapon) can hit 10 3pts shot a game...


My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Sonny Thoss = 6'8
3. Danny Seigle = 6'6
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Willie Miller = 6'1


Hmmm.... the names sound okay to me... :)

With regards to the No. 5 position, we really can do little this time since we can hardly find a guy bigger and stronger than taulava. I was hoping that we can find someone to help taulava underneath the basket but not neccessarily bigger and stronger than him since it's next to impossible. More on, It would like having 2 taulava on the floor when the situation arises.

players need to be replaced are
alapag
hilterbrand
dela cruz
villanueva
ocampo

and please.... keep canaleta away from the rp team:D

[vladski]

How about David Pennisi? the younger brother of Mick Pennisi. I think he is now playing in Italy..He's a 6'10 Center with more experience in the EURO League!
he can make a difference if he played for the RP team. TAULAVA and DAVID PENNISI, twin tower ha!


If he's elligible to play for RP, mick could have reccomended that already to chot but i guess not. We're not sure if they have the same mom. Chot could have invited him to play for RP for a couple of games should he is elligible.

[viperbravo]

If he's elligible to play for RP, mick could have reccomended that already to chot but i guess not. We're not sure if they have the same mom. Chot could have invited him to play for RP for a couple of games should he is elligible.

Maybe, that's the reason for David Pennisi! Wheeeewwww.

If we only have a player like BEN WALLACE, he's not so big/tall player but he can play defense/rebound/block shots ...

[jason_28c]

Hey, it should be Miller for Helterbrand, not Alapag. Alapag has a good showing in the FIBA Champions Cup and the SEABA.... Helterbrand, look for his statistics.. always 0 points and a lot of turnovers........

[ros]

1. Miller for Alapag. Maybe! By the way he played in the recent PBA games. Maybe BRO!

2. Your right! but how can we invest for #5 position, if we don't have such position in our country that can make a difference...I think we need to focus on defense.

Best example: The Glory Road Movie.

They are the underdog in that tournament, but, what happened? they won the championship...Its the character of the player, that i want to emphasize for the RP team. Even though we don't have a big/tall player in the lineup, we can still win and defeat other teams in ASIA...

Yeah but they have a dominating center dean latin and tall athletic forwards.hehehe. But seriously though the RP players must develop their Filipino fighting spirit and more on defense as well.

[erektus]

Vladski, there is NO WAY Choach Chot will replace BOTH Alapag and Helterbrand. One of them, maybe, and it's most likely Helterbrand.

The PG is instrumental to team chemistry and replacing both at this juncture will prove very risky. Alapag appears more effective in the international game owing to his pass-first mentality and very controlled quarterbacking. Both JJ and Miller are a joy to watch but they can be erratic and TO-prone. Besides, you can't have two scoring PGs. One must be a pass-first PG and the other a scorer-disher.

Helterbrand seems to be struggling for some reason. It could be his alleged injury, but I think it's mainly due to his style of play -- which relies on quickness and finesse. In the PBA, JJ can get by with his quick crossovers to "glide" past defenders because of the no-handcheck rule.

In FIBA, handchecks and body contact can neutralize his quickness (plus the other guards can be as quick as him if not quicker). Rough contact can really throw off a finesse player's game, both physically and mentally. This is JJ's dilemma, I think.

Alapag, though smaller, appears to have a stronger body (dunking at 5'8" is a sure sign of tremendous core strength) and better conditioning (heard the mighty mouse has the most disciplined training regimen in the team).

Miller, I think, can also handle contact better than JJ. As for Norwood, I'm not really too hot about him until I actually see him play. But definitely, Alapag must stay. I also hope JJ regains his confidence quickly.

AFAIK, the ideal scenario according to Commish Eala is that they will bring all 15 players (including Miller, Williams and Norwood) to the Jones Cup and shuffle the 12-man lineup with the 3 reserves. They might even bring all 15 players to Tokushima and make a decision on the final 12 right then and there.

[vladski]

ERECTUSS, I suppose you did a good point there. Please note that i never mentioned to replace both alapag and hilterbrand. What did i remeMber is to replace alapag, otherwise replace Hilterbrand.

I understand that replacing the PG at this stage is very crucial and risky. But what is more risky to have a PG that can't score, lest directs a play for the team?

As i have said, if alapag has impressed coach chot, then he should stay. But he should let Hilterbrand go and have him replaceD by Miller.

That's all what i was saying.

For Norwood, chot might consider him for a match up against bigger point guards in Japan tournament, as alapag is too short and almost non existent come to face a much bigger PG. But infusing Norwood at this juncture is too Risky too as he has proven nothing yet to deserve such crucial role for the nationa team. But we couldn't disregard the fact that we might be facing bigger PG in the tournament, so Gabe could be an effective weapon offensively and defensively should alapag wouldn't able to deliver against a much bigger PG. PG position directs the play for the team, remove them and the team will collapse no matter how good are your forwards and center on the floor. So I guess CHot will definitely make that consideration in replacing the PG same goes to the rest of the positions.

[onono1]

Miller for Alapag should be considered.

Going back to 2005 and 2006 line up, so much have been changed. In the initail composition of the RP Team, alapag was not among them just to name afew. We need a PG that can do damage offensively also and alapag is not having so much about that compared to what Miller can do. Alapag loves to kick the ball out even if he's free to shoot. While Miller can really break the zone defense when he drives to the basket. I have nothing against Alapag, it's just so happen that we need to augment the team composition which Miller can make a BIG difference when he's with the team.

I remember how Miller shattered the zone defense of our opponents in international tournaments when he starts to drive to the basket. He can shoot, run and defend. A point guard like Alapag is good but not good enough when all he can do is to pass and run. Though it really matters when you can do that like ALapag, the point is, we need to score too and that you can count on from Miller.

The rest of the positions like 3 & 4 were already mentioned by some forumers. I guess some names will be replaced by Chot.

In case Alapag's performance really impressed Chot then he should consider replacing Hilterbrand. Need not to say the reason. Just look at his performance in SEABA and Asia Champions Cup, and you will definitely find the answers.


Willie miller is good replacement for alapag, but the question is his outside shooting consistency.

[onono1]

The problem with asi taulava is his defense. Even in the pba he's not really known to be a good shotblocker nor intimidating defensively speaking. TEAM PILIPINAS problem lies also at the interior defense, it is weak inside the blue paint.

[jawo]

Willy Miller is a great offensive player but he is not a very effective point guard. He fails in comparison to either Alapag and Helterbrand who both have natural instincts quarterbacking a team. If we believe on Miller's penetration skills to break the zone defense, I think Alapag and Helterbrand being quicker and slicker should be a lot better penetrators than Miller. I have several tapes of the national team with Miller at the helm and he is so slow for a point guard in pushing the ball and does not create many open situations for his teammates. Miller is dependent on his one-on-one wizardry to break the zone but that won't happen most of the time.

I am not sure about where Chot Reyes would insert Miller on the rotation. In my opinion, he does not have any room anymore in the national team. Miller's supposed value on the team is already covered perfectly well by Mark Caguioa, in the same manner that he cannot dislodge Renren Ritualo coz Renren is the only pure shooter on the team (in the mold of a Caidic that is essential in international competition).Now, to dislodge Dondon Hontiveros is the most remote possibility because Hontiveros is the backbone of the shooting guard area, he is the most complete by doing offense and defense with almost equal effectivity.

I really hope Miller would not be our other point guard because for so many times that I have watched my tapes of the 2002 national team, one of the biggest disasters of the RP team in 2002 was the mistake of Jong Uichico in listing only one pure point-guard in Olsen Racela that when he gets in foul trouble, Noy Castillo, who was not a natural point guard would come in to take over only to hamper the offense of the national team. Racela rode the bench most of the time against Korea, Japan and China in the first half of the game. If he only played more minutes, our game with Japan would have been won more comfortably, against Korea we would have controlled more the ball that could have completed our upset, and against China maybe the lead would not be that big.

What we need is size in the "2" position for match up problem. Miller being short did not only made himself unwarranted but also, would only unnecessarily load the "2" position where we already have Caguioa, Hontiveros and Ritualo. If Miller would add size, then we have to take him in but he is not.

Definitely, Chot Reyes knows best(I always put my trust on him) and he has his reasons to take Miller in, but from where I stand right now, I cannot see the need for a Willy Miller.

Kelly Williams is approved and he may need to replace Tony dela Cruz. Williams brings lots of versatility to the team, with his size and athleticism, he can switch from 2 to 3 to 4 when needed. What I only need to ask from Williams is he needs to improve his basketball sense. Williams is still young and needs to mature further.

Gabe Norwood should be our resident utility guy. I have to admit I have not seen him play but with our passion to the game and just like everybody else in this site, common sense should tell us that this guy can also solve our match up problems especialy on defense. There have been so many articles on Norwood's proven athleticism (he is the best dunker in George Mason) and scouts said he can play both the point and the wing areas. But what made me think why Norwood would be our main utility man is because belonging in the NCAA DIV-1 school and managed to reach the final four simply means Norwood is so equip with defensive sense in basketball. The US NCAA ranks puts too much emphasis on defense that when you cannot defend, you have no place to be there.

With Williams and Norwood around who are both 6-5, they will solidify the rotation both in the "2" and "3" spots. When we say solidifying the rotation, it means the rotation just covers the desire on quickness, size and athleticism that should compliment the need on offense and defense.

China used to eat us alive on the 2 and 3 spots coz while we have 6-0 or-6-1players at the off guard spot and only 6-2 or 6-3 size at the shooting forward spot, China has 6-6 or 6-5 players both on those positions. Nowadays, it is not only China that has 6-5 or 6-6 sizes in their 2 and 3 spots but the rest of the middle east countries as well.

Lastly, we may need to put more beef and strenght in the power forward spot. I am not sure who is weaker. Kerby or Ranidel, but I feel we need the brute of an Erik Menk who I hope if healthy, would be taken in by Chot. Menk struggled on his offense in the 2002 Asian games but he made sure he did his dirty job underneath to help the Philippines and he was indeed tenacious off the boards.

Raymundo and de Ocampo may be just equal in offensive ability but I am firm Keryby is far better a defensive player than Ranidel. I have a few tapes of Kerby being with the national team in 2005 for Chot Reyes' training team and he showed that he won't simply let up on the defensive end. Kerby was part of Chot's RP team in 2005 that played the Australian perennial champs Sydney Kings that showed his defensive prowess. Kerby did not allow the Ausies to get easy points in the shaded lane that made RP loss just by four 64-60 despite the Ausies huge advantage on size and heft.

[d'dreamer]

This is my Dream Team:
1. Asi Taulava 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi 6'9
3. Yancy de Ocampo 6'9
4. Sonny Thoss 6’8
5. Eric Menk 6’6
6. Danny Seigle 6'7
7. Kelly Williams 6'6
8. Kerby Raymundo 6'6
9. Ranidel De Ocampo 6’5
10. Gabe Norwood 6'5
11. Don Don Hontiveros 6'2
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1
13. Mark Caguia 6'1
14. Willie Miller 6'1
15. Jimmy Alapag 5’9

My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Eric Menk 6’6
3. Danny Seigle = 6'7
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Gabe Norwood 6'5

[onono1]

Willy Miller is a great offensive player but he is not a very effective point guard. He fails in comparison to either Alapag and Helterbrand who both have natural instincts quarterbacking a team. If we believe on Miller's penetration skills to break the zone defense, I think Alapag and Helterbrand being quicker and slicker should be a lot better penetrators than Miller. I have several tapes of the national team with Miller at the helm and he is so slow for a point guard in pushing the ball and does not create many open situations for his teammates. Miller is dependent on his one-on-one wizardry to break the zone but that won't happen most of the time.

I am not sure about where Chot Reyes would insert Miller on the rotation. In my opinion, he does not have any room anymore in the national team. Miller's supposed value on the team is already covered perfectly well by Mark Caguioa, in the same manner that he cannot dislodge Renren Ritualo coz Renren is the only pure shooter on the team (in the mold of a Caidic that is essential in international competition).Now, to dislodge Dondon Hontiveros is the most remote possibility because Hontiveros is the backbone of the shooting guard area, he is the most complete by doing offense and defense with almost equal effectivity.

I really hope Miller would not be our other point guard because for so many times that I have watched my tapes of the 2002 national team, one of the biggest disasters of the RP team in 2002 was the mistake of Jong Uichico in listing only one pure point-guard in Olsen Racela that when he gets in foul trouble, Noy Castillo, who was not a natural point guard would come in to take over only to hamper the offense of the national team. Racela rode the bench most of the time against Korea, Japan and China in the first half of the game. If he only played more minutes, our game with Japan would have been won more comfortably, against Korea we would have controlled more the ball that could have completed our upset, and against China maybe the lead would not be that big.

What we need is size in the "2" position for match up problem. Miller being short did not only made himself unwarranted but also, would only unnecessarily load the "2" position where we already have Caguioa, Hontiveros and Ritualo. If Miller would add size, then we have to take him in but he is not.

Definitely, Chot Reyes knows best(I always put my trust on him) and he has his reasons to take Miller in, but from where I stand right now, I cannot see the need for a Willy Miller.

Kelly Williams is approved and he may need to replace Tony dela Cruz. Williams brings lots of versatility to the team, with his size and athleticism, he can switch from 2 to 3 to 4 when needed. What I only need to ask from Williams is he needs to improve his basketball sense. Williams is still young and needs to mature further.

Gabe Norwood should be our resident utility guy. I have to admit I have not seen him play but with our passion to the game and just like everybody else in this site, common sense should tell us that this guy can also solve our match up problems especialy on defense. There have been so many articles on Norwood's proven athleticism (he is the best dunker in George Mason) and scouts said he can play both the point and the wing areas. But what made me think why Norwood would be our main utility man is because belonging in the NCAA DIV-1 school and managed to reach the final four simply means Norwood is so equip with defensive sense in basketball. The US NCAA ranks puts too much emphasis on defense that when you cannot defend, you have no place to be there.

With Williams and Norwood around who are both 6-5, they will solidify the rotation both in the "2" and "3" spots. When we say solidifying the rotation, it means the rotation just covers the desire on quickness, size and athleticism that should compliment the need on offense and defense.

China used to eat us alive on the 2 and 3 spots coz while we have 6-0 or-6-1players at the off guard spot and only 6-2 or 6-3 size at the shooting forward spot, China has 6-6 or 6-5 players both on those positions. Nowadays, it is not only China that has 6-5 or 6-6 sizes in their 2 and 3 spots but the rest of the middle east countries as well.

Lastly, we may need to put more beef and strenght in the power forward spot. I am not sure who is weaker. Kerby or Ranidel, but I feel we need the brute of an Erik Menk who I hope if healthy, would be taken in by Chot. Menk struggled on his offense in the 2002 Asian games but he made sure he did his dirty job underneath to help the Philippines and he was indeed tenacious off the boards.

Raymundo and de Ocampo may be just equal in offensive ability but I am firm Keryby is far better a defensive player than Ranidel. I have a few tapes of Kerby being with the national team in 2005 for Chot Reyes' training team and he showed that he won't simply let up on the defensive end. Kerby was part of Chot's RP team in 2005 that played the Australian perennial champs Sydney Kings that showed his defensive prowess. Kerby did not allow the Ausies to get easy points in the shaded lane that made RP loss just by four 64-60 despite the Ausies huge advantage on size and heft.

Very well said ;). I have only to catch my breath after reading your rather long but meaningful thread jawo... Are u a basketball coach or sports analyst or something..

[viperbravo]

Very well said ;). I have only to catch my breath after reading your rather long but meaningful thread jawo... Are u a basketball coach or sports analyst or something..

:) nice Jawo...Go Team Pilipinas!!! :) :D

[princejunar]

Willy Miller is a great offensive player but he is not a very effective point guard. He fails in comparison to either Alapag and Helterbrand who both have natural instincts quarterbacking a team. If we believe on Miller's penetration skills to break the zone defense, I think Alapag and Helterbrand being quicker and slicker should be a lot better penetrators than Miller. I have several tapes of the national team with Miller at the helm and he is so slow for a point guard in pushing the ball and does not create many open situations for his teammates. Miller is dependent on his one-on-one wizardry to break the zone but that won't happen most of the time.

I am not sure about where Chot Reyes would insert Miller on the rotation. In my opinion, he does not have any room anymore in the national team. Miller's supposed value on the team is already covered perfectly well by Mark Caguioa, in the same manner that he cannot dislodge Renren Ritualo coz Renren is the only pure shooter on the team (in the mold of a Caidic that is essential in international competition).Now, to dislodge Dondon Hontiveros is the most remote possibility because Hontiveros is the backbone of the shooting guard area, he is the most complete by doing offense and defense with almost equal effectivity.

I really hope Miller would not be our other point guard because for so many times that I have watched my tapes of the 2002 national team, one of the biggest disasters of the RP team in 2002 was the mistake of Jong Uichico in listing only one pure point-guard in Olsen Racela that when he gets in foul trouble, Noy Castillo, who was not a natural point guard would come in to take over only to hamper the offense of the national team. Racela rode the bench most of the time against Korea, Japan and China in the first half of the game. If he only played more minutes, our game with Japan would have been won more comfortably, against Korea we would have controlled more the ball that could have completed our upset, and against China maybe the lead would not be that big.

What we need is size in the "2" position for match up problem. Miller being short did not only made himself unwarranted but also, would only unnecessarily load the "2" position where we already have Caguioa, Hontiveros and Ritualo. If Miller would add size, then we have to take him in but he is not.

Definitely, Chot Reyes knows best(I always put my trust on him) and he has his reasons to take Miller in, but from where I stand right now, I cannot see the need for a Willy Miller.

Kelly Williams is approved and he may need to replace Tony dela Cruz. Williams brings lots of versatility to the team, with his size and athleticism, he can switch from 2 to 3 to 4 when needed. What I only need to ask from Williams is he needs to improve his basketball sense. Williams is still young and needs to mature further.

Gabe Norwood should be our resident utility guy. I have to admit I have not seen him play but with our passion to the game and just like everybody else in this site, common sense should tell us that this guy can also solve our match up problems especialy on defense. There have been so many articles on Norwood's proven athleticism (he is the best dunker in George Mason) and scouts said he can play both the point and the wing areas. But what made me think why Norwood would be our main utility man is because belonging in the NCAA DIV-1 school and managed to reach the final four simply means Norwood is so equip with defensive sense in basketball. The US NCAA ranks puts too much emphasis on defense that when you cannot defend, you have no place to be there.

With Williams and Norwood around who are both 6-5, they will solidify the rotation both in the "2" and "3" spots. When we say solidifying the rotation, it means the rotation just covers the desire on quickness, size and athleticism that should compliment the need on offense and defense.

China used to eat us alive on the 2 and 3 spots coz while we have 6-0 or-6-1players at the off guard spot and only 6-2 or 6-3 size at the shooting forward spot, China has 6-6 or 6-5 players both on those positions. Nowadays, it is not only China that has 6-5 or 6-6 sizes in their 2 and 3 spots but the rest of the middle east countries as well.

Lastly, we may need to put more beef and strenght in the power forward spot. I am not sure who is weaker. Kerby or Ranidel, but I feel we need the brute of an Erik Menk who I hope if healthy, would be taken in by Chot. Menk struggled on his offense in the 2002 Asian games but he made sure he did his dirty job underneath to help the Philippines and he was indeed tenacious off the boards.

Raymundo and de Ocampo may be just equal in offensive ability but I am firm Keryby is far better a defensive player than Ranidel. I have a few tapes of Kerby being with the national team in 2005 for Chot Reyes' training team and he showed that he won't simply let up on the defensive end. Kerby was part of Chot's RP team in 2005 that played the Australian perennial champs Sydney Kings that showed his defensive prowess. Kerby did not allow the Ausies to get easy points in the shaded lane that made RP loss just by four 64-60 despite the Ausies huge advantage on size and heft.

i agree with you Jawo. So far Miller cannot replace the position of alapag or heltebrand because he is not pure PG, and he's to slow for that position.
welcome back to me:), the last time i was on this tread was july last year:D

[SkyWalker]

My proposed lineup for the RP team:

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
3. Yancy de Ocampo = 6'9 (can shoot in the 3 pt area)
4. Sonny Thoss (for defense/offense with a good height)= 6'8
5. Danny Seigle = 6'6
6. Kelly Williams = 6'6
7. Kerby Raymundo = 6'6 or Ranidel de Ocampo 6'6
8. Mark Caguia = 6'1
9. Don Don Hontiveros = 6'2
10. Jimmy Alapag = 5'9
11. Gabe Norwood = 6'5 PG/SF (if available) if not then Willie Miller = 5'11
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1 (our secret weapon) can hit 10 3pts shot a game...


My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Sonny Thoss = 6'8
3. Danny Seigle = 6'6
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Jimmy Alapag = 5'9


One serious problem coach chot is facing right now, is probably finalizing the final lineup. In my opinion, the first draft of the team was more of a balance team, only having 2 bigmen and 2 backup bigforwards in the likes of ranidel and kerby. this are my reasons why i think, its hard to pull either kerby or ranidel out of the NT:

1. In the Nt lineup, only Asi, Danny S. and Kerby R. are legitimate post presence. If we took out Kerby, then it will only give us Asi and Danny S.as our post player, but we have to remember that Danny will be playing more of the SF spot, rather than PF slot, so it means, we now have Asi as our only post player. Coach Chot thought that getting Kerby into the NT, will give ASi the much needed backup at the post. Since, chot wants to keep all his players fresh, some says it is most likely that we keep Kerby in the NT.

2. Now, about Ranidel, he's the only player in the NT, that plays big with his size. He's the kind of player that you would trust in both offense and defense. Remember guys, Ranidel was one of the player that inflict a lot of damage against Lebanon, and he proved it by defendng Fadi and dunking over Lebanon's bigmen. Ranidel is also a very good shooter, having a high percentage in the 3pt area made chot decide to include this guy in the NT. Versatility is one factor that coaches are looking for in a player. though he's only 6'5 and weighs about 210lbs. Ranidel has a pair of long arms, a vertical leap of 34inches and has a good body condition. in my opinion, those are good upsides for a player, and for a coach, thats a positive sign.

now, heres the deal, if we took one/both of them out of the team, then coach chot would need to reevalaute all his players, since the tasks of both of this players are much needed.

1. if you took kerby out, asi is the only post player. if that happens, we might an exhausted asi every after game. but kerby isnt showing the toughness that coach chot needs. will you take kerby out and replace him with thoss, considering the consequences?

2. if you took ranidel out, we'll lose a solid defender and muscle player at the 4 and 3 spot. we'll also lose a smart player, a 3pt shooter and a good role player. if danny S., Asi gets double team, no one will come from the weakside help. our only way is to kickout the ball to Alapag, hontiveros, ritualo. our options will be limited in the offensive side. So, what do you think guys, is he in or out? :)

[Dinamita]

kerby out Thoss in...
Alapag out miller in..

[el presidente]

Btw, next to the US, the Philippines is the country with the most Jones Cup titles (3) since the tournament's inception in 1977. The Philippines won the Cup in 1981, 1985, and 1998. The only other multiple title holder is Chinese Taipei, which won in 2001 and 2004.

[pachador]

yep, everything is out in the open. whats so amazing is that some filipino posters post info about our team not only in the philippine national team forum but also in australia site and other sites. don't forget to email the coaches of the foreign teams about our team too

[brownwarrior]

yep, everything is out in the open. whats so amazing is that some filipino posters post info about our team not only in the philippine national team forum but also in australia site and other sites. don't forget to email the coaches of the foreign teams about our team too
Hehehe.:D

[jrb0yd]

yep, everything is out in the open. whats so amazing is that some filipino posters post info about our team not only in the philippine national team forum but also in australia site and other sites. don't forget to email the coaches of the foreign teams about our team too

exactly man... anyway going back to the topic, this jones cup is like a preview on the things to come in fiba-asia champs... it was said that 8 teams will be represented by their NTs and to make it tougher, these are the 8 NT's that can be called contenders and have a chance to qualify in the olympics... can't wait to see this, i hope they do telecast it here... i expect a lot of surprises in this tournament...

[rensquared]

exactly man... anyway going back to the topic, this jones cup is like a preview on the things to come in fiba-asia champs... it was said that 8 teams will be represented by their NTs and to make it tougher, these are the 8 NT's that can be called contenders and have a chance to qualify in the olympics... can't wait to see this, i hope they do telecast it here... i expect a lot of surprises in this tournament...

Question, will Tseng of Chinese Taipei play for their NT? I don't know his full name but the way I remember it, his height is 6'10. They were 2nd placer in the last jones cup, Tseng scored 28 points thelp their team win against our NT.

[bizmarkotep]

Question, will Tseng of Chinese Taipei play for their NT? I don't know his full name but the way I remember it, his height is 6'10. They were 2nd placer in the last jones cup, Tseng scored 28 points thelp their team win against our NT.

Yeah I do remember Tseng... their refs really play a big role with their win against our NT! hahaha... i do remember the faces those $tupid refs...

[Projectspeed]

hmmmmn:D Japan and USA will be the only country that will be not represented by their national team A:D

it is obvious and understandable for USA to be not represented by their national team A:D

but for FIBA Asia host Japan?:D

seems that their NT bound for FIBA Asia have hidden or other plans?:D

Japan will be represented by their World University Games standout:D

[Projectspeed]

It will also be good to analyze the coaching staff of each national squads to assess its strenght and weakness:D

Japan's Coaching Staff

Japan's NT head coach Suzuki :D and with only 1 assistant coach?:D plus 2 trainer?:D

if my memore serves me right, even with just few weeks of training, Suzuki managed Japan to placed 6th in the 2006 Asian Games:D

Suzuki led the Sea Horses to Japan Super league titles in 2003 and 2004 and four straight All-Japan tournament crowns from 2002 to 2005 :D and promised to give Japan a slot in the 2008 Olympics :D

I wonder how will he fare well against Coach Chot Reyes if ever:D

[SkyWalker]

It will also be good to analyze the coaching staff of each national squads to assess its strenght and weakness:D

Japan's Coaching Staff

Japan's NT head coach Suzuki :D and with only 1 assistant coach?:D plus 2 trainer?:D

if my memore serves me right, even with just few weeks of training, Suzuki managed Japan to placed 6th in the 2006 Asian Games:D

Suzuki led the Sea Horses to Japan Super league titles in 2003 and 2004 and four straight All-Japan tournament crowns from 2002 to 2005 :D and promised to give Japan a slot in the 2008 Olympics :D

I wonder how will he fare well against Coach Chot Reyes if ever:D


hey i wonder what happened to coach toyota. :confused: in my opinion, it'll be better for coach suzuki to use gasoline, rather than diesoline.:)

[saints13]

There will be a lot of scouting for Fiba Asia Championship teams that will participate in the Jones Cup, I think, full-scale battle and strategies are to be reserved for the greater matches in Tokushima. :)

To the Filipinos here, mga pare koy, masyado na yata updated ang mga foreigner dito sa RP team, hehe. Let's post something general, wag yun puro atin lang. :)

If you have infos about other teams, might as well post it here for the benefit of the RP team fans. :) tnx!

[Project888]

Japan National Basketball Team Is A Coward!! Khit Di Lalaro Mga Yun Sa Jones Cup, Matatalo Rin Sila Sa Fiba Championships! Miracle Na Lng Kng Naging Champion Sila! I Think Thier Only Hope Is The Damn Officials!

[saints13]

Japan National Basketball Team Is A Coward!! Khit Di Lalaro Mga Yun Sa Jones Cup, Matatalo Rin Sila Sa Fiba Championships! Miracle Na Lng Kng Naging Champion Sila! I Think Thier Only Hope Is The Damn Officials!

Are you angry at the Japs? :)

They have not much to hide I guess, and not much to show as well.

Not going to the Jones Cup is not cowardness my friend.

Maybe they'll just wait for the NT's to come in their land.

They're grouped in an easy batch, they may top it though in Tokushima.

[apiSigbinz]

if the Phil. can place at least 3rd in this year's Jones Cup with a scores not less than 6 margin, then i guess we have a very good chance in Japan.. for me, the Jones Cup is the final test for the RP5.. i'm sure 90% of what you'll see in there you'll got to see also in Japan tourney.. probably a little adjustments and their secret tactics which Chot quoted will only be displayed in the Asian Championship in Japan.

[donmar]

if the Phil. can place at least 3rd in this year's Jones Cup with a scores not less than 6 margin, then i guess we have a very good chance in Japan.. for me, the Jones Cup is the final test for the RP5.. i'm sure 90% of what you'll see in there you'll got to see also in Japan tourney.. probably a little adjustments and their secret tactics which Chot quoted will only be displayed in the Asian Championship in Japan.

Which ones comes first the William Jones Cup or the Manila Invitational Tournament?

[Project888]

Which ones comes first the William Jones Cup or the Manila Invitational Tournament?

The Belgrade camp is set June 12-20,
while the Jones Cup is on July 2-10.
the Manila pocket tournament is next on the, July 12-15.

u should be reading rp news!

[apiSigbinz]

The Belgrade camp is set June 12-20,
while the Jones Cup is on July 2-10.
the Manila pocket tournament is next on the, July 12-15.

u should be reading rp news!


here's the answer for you Donmar.... if your thinking why i said Jones Cup is the final test for them, well its bcoz most of the other NT are playing in there while our pocket tournament just have four teams including RP5... it would just simply to keep the rust off from our team..

[donmar]

Cheers guys!!! :D

[saints13]

I hope it will be live on Philippine TV. I hate it when I read the news 1st before I watch the ball game, there's no thrill, no threat for a heart attack.:)

[apiSigbinz]

can't wait for the Jones Cup and FIBA Asia.... hmmmmmmmmmm

[donmar]

I wish someone record those games (William Jones Cup and FIBA Asia Championship) and then upload it to the net.... I'm sick of reading on-line newspapers and not watching the real game... :mad:

That's how sad basketball here in New Zealand:(... They only show basketball tournament with New Zealand on it... and if they're losing... they won't show it :( ...

Even in boxing... last year a Filipino boxer beat the shit out of a New Zealander in Auckland but they only announced the win in an late evening news (when most people were already asleep) and didn't show it on TV...

[apiSigbinz]

I wish someone record those games (William Jones Cup and FIBA Asia Championship) and then upload it to the net.... I'm sick of reading on-line newspapers and not watching the real game... :mad:

That's how sad basketball here in New Zealand:(... They only show basketball tournament with New Zealand on it... and if they're losing... they won't show it :( ...

Even in boxing... last year a Filipino boxer beat the shit out of a New Zealander in Auckland but they only announced the win in an late evening news (when most people were already asleep) and didn't show it on TV...

try these online tv bro,

http://www.tvunetworks.com/downloads/
http://www.sopcast.org/
http://www.tv-links.co.uk/

hope they'll show it too... last WC in Japan, one channel in TVU broadcast the Spain vs Argentina Live....

[donmar]

try these online tv bro,

http://www.tvunetworks.com/downloads/
http://www.sopcast.org/
http://www.tv-links.co.uk/

hope they'll show it too... last WC in Japan, one channel in TVU broadcast the Spain vs Argentina Live....

Hey bro, thanks for the link!:)... I'll bookmark them in my computer!

[apiSigbinz]

Guys, who do you think will be the top three team in this year's Jones Cup? (in any order)
Please vote according to your analysis of each team.

[viperbravo]

Guys, who do you think will be the top three team in this year's Jones Cup? (in any order)
Please vote according to your analysis of each team.

China
Syria
Philippines

[apiSigbinz]

Guys, who do you think will be the top three team in this year's Jones Cup? (in any order)
Please vote according to your analysis of each team.

here are the list of teams that will join in Jones Cup

AIA (USA)
Iran NT
Jordan NT
Kazakhstan NT
Lebanon NT
Philippines NT
Qatar
S. Korea NT
Taiwan
World University (Japan)

[daniab]

China
Syria
Philippines

Syria???:o reasons to made this decisions??

I think the top three will be:
1-Quatar
2-Lebanon
3-Philippine

[donmar]

1st China
2nd Lebanon
3rd Philippines

[donrivera21]

without bias:)

1 phi
2 AIA
3 lebanon

[demonyito]

trans: nice avatar!!:)

agree;)

[regierr]

i don't see our team in the top three.
i'd pick
1 us
2 qatar
3 iran or sokors

[saints13]

my wild guess :cool:

1. US-AIA
2. Taiwan
3. RP NT

w/o bias also :D
just a wild guess.. :P

[apiSigbinz]

Prize for the lucky winner is a link to my Scandal's Collection download!!!! :D :D :D

or if you're the wholesome type of guy, just ignore the prize!!!!!! hehehehehe

[reamily]

1 aia
2 taiwan -host remember 2005 cheaters
3 rp-beat all asian counterparts except tyaiwan joke will be defeated by 6 only asi scoring

[brownwarrior]

I wish someone record those games (William Jones Cup and FIBA Asia Championship) and then upload it to the net.... I'm sick of reading on-line newspapers and not watching the real game... :mad:

That's how sad basketball here in New Zealand:(... They only show basketball tournament with New Zealand on it... and if they're losing... they won't show it :( ...

Even in boxing... last year a Filipino boxer beat the shit out of a New Zealander in Auckland but they only announced the win in an late evening news (when most people were already asleep) and didn't show it on TV...
Cuz don't feel so bad. It's the same situation here in Sydney.:D

[apiSigbinz]

1st China
2nd Lebanon
3rd Philippines

china is not part of the tournament dude... :D

[astig]

The Philippine team is goin to win the jones cup if danny seigle plays major minutes and the rest are in good conditions!

[princejunar]

without bias also:)

RP team
AIA - US
Taiwan

[saints13]

china is not part of the tournament dude... :D

Did China ever participated in Jones Cup? I think it never did, just correct me if I'm wrong. :p
China and Taiwan has/still has political issues and disputes..am I right? :)
I think Chinese cagers going to Taiwan is not a good idea considering the Taiwan's questionable homecourt advantage during the Jones Cup Tournament and we might eventually see a Kung-Fu match on the basketball court if ever these two teams meet at Taiwan's turf. :)

[karim]

1-Lebanon
2-Qatar
3-Jordan

Domination of arab teams :p

[reamily]

there is still a gap between mainland china and taiwan and i never see china participating in this tournament

[jundakki]

Any link for the coming 29th Jones Cup?

[jrb0yd]

this is a very interesting tournament because if im not mistaken 8 countries will be represented by their NT's... but i don't think all of the teams here will give their 100% especially RP. RP will play here cautiously, aware that most of the teams here are after RP, since most of them have no idea on how RP plays... there will be a lot of scouts here... rp will send around 14-15 players in this tournament with seigle playing only limited minutes because of injury... the good thing about rp is that we have a very deep bench which makes us very hard to scout... that's why whether we field in our 2nd stringers we still have a chance to win... i think teams like jordan and lebanon will give their best in this tournament since they no longer have anything to hide, coz most of the teams already know their top players, ei. khatib for lebanon and wright for jordan...

[saints13]

Jones Cup will be used by the Asian NT's to gauge their own team and others as well. :)

maybe RP team will not be the only team who is cautious, other NT's will be cautious about their moves too. some aces are still hidden, not til Tokushima Tournament starts.

[hawke12]

Do the Jones Cup have a website? so we can be updated about the games..

[Nikoo]

AIA roster http://herdzone.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/060807aaa.html

[apiSigbinz]

AIA roster http://herdzone.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/060807aaa.html

thanks man.... they're beatable i guess!!!!

[Ventisei26]

Chinese Taipei
Qatar
Jordan
Lebanon
Iran
Japan
South Korea
Kazakhstan
Philippines
USA

28th William Jones Cup (http://forums.interbasket.net/showthread.php?t=662)

I wonder which team will represent the United States. I hope it's Bakersfield Jam of NBDL, hehehe. just kidding

[saints13]

I wonder which team will represent the United States. I hope it's Bakersfield Jam of NBDL, hehehe. just kidding

isnt it AIA that will represent USA, the former team that represented USA?

[jason_28c]

1st... Phil...
2nd...USA (AIA)
3rd... Korea

without bias...............

[donmar]

china is not part of the tournament dude... :D

My bad!... thanks for the correction :D ... I guess we only have the Manila Invitational to scout them! :(..

[limlioanglix]

1st: USA
2nd: Philippines
3rd: Qatar

No bias....:)

[apiSigbinz]

My bad!... thanks for the correction :D ... I guess we only have the Manila Invitational to scout them! :(..


it's alright we all commit mistakes right?! :D :D :D

[donmar]

it's alright we all commit mistakes right?! :D :D :D

heheheh! :D

[reamily]

Men's Schedule

Venue: Sinjhuang Stadium, Taipei County
Competition System: Single round robin

July 2
1100 Kazakhstan-Jordan
1300 Lebanon-Iran
1500 Korea-Qatar
1700 AIA-Philippines
1930 Taiwan-Japan

July 3
1100 Qatar-AIA
1300 Japan-Kazakhstan
1530 Jordan-Korea
1730 Philippines-Lebanon
1930 Iran-Taiwan

July 4
1100 Kazakhstan-Lebanon
1300 Iran-Qatar
1530 Philippines-Japan
1730 AIA-Korea
1930 Taiwan-Jordan

July 5
1100 Qatar-Kazakhstan
1300 Japan-Iran
1530 Jordan-AIA
1730 Korea-Philippines
1930 Lebanon-Taiwan

July 6
1100 Qatar-Japan
1300 AIA-Lebanon
1530 Philippines-Jordan
1730 Iran-Korea
1930 Taiwan-Kazakhstan

July 7
1100 Lebanon-Jordan
1300 Kazakhstan-AIA
1530 Philippines-Iran
1730 Japan-Korea
1930 Qatar-Taiwan

July 8
1100 AIA-Japan
1300 Korea-Lebanon
1500 Iran-Kazakhstan
1700 Taiwan-Philippines
1900 Jordan-Qatar

July 9
1100 Japan-Lebanon
1300 Jordan-Iran
1530 Qatar-Philippines
1730 Kazakhstan-Korea
1930 AIA-Taiwan

July 10
1100 Jordan-Japan
1300 Lebanon-Qatar
1530 Philippines-Kazkahstan
1730 Iran-AIA
1930 Taiwan-Korea
2130 Closing Ceremony


tough sked

[donrivera21]

The team with the best record will be the champion right? but... how about if 2 top teams had the same standing after the games and their losses are from other teams??? pls. shed some light about this!!! anybody??? thanks in advance!!:)

[reamily]

who defeated who format lyk rp in 2005 same 6-3 w qatar and samara russia but we beat them both so we are third place

[reamily]

oh sorry but if this happen quotient or again who defeated who format

[apiSigbinz]

The team with the best record will be the champion right? but... how about if 2 top teams had the same standing after the games and their losses are from other teams??? pls. shed some light about this!!! anybody??? thanks in advance!!:)

i think quotient system will apply...

[apiSigbinz]

total points of your team
Quotient = ________________________

total points of opponents


here's an example of a quotient system involving 3 teams...

Results between A, B, C:
.......................A - B...........82 - 75
.......................A - C...........77 - 80
.......................B - C...........88 - 77


Team......Games.......Wins........Losse......Point .....Difference.....Goal Average

A .......... 2 ............ 1 ............ 1 ......... 3 ........159:155 ........1.0258
B .......... 2 ............ 1 ............ 1 ......... 3 ........163:159 ........1.0251
C .......... 2 ............ 1 ............ 1 ......... 3 ........157:165 ........0.9515


Therefore: 1st. A, 2nd. B and 3rd. C
If the goal average is the same for the three teams, the final placing will be determined from the results of all their games played in the group.

[bobo81]

Those are some nice match ups man...Seriously I hope somehow we can stream these games online!

[Sakamoto]

A 3rd place finish in this edition of jones cup will be a good accomplishment in my own opinion.

[saints13]

Tyler Wilkerson (6’6 F)
Eric and Tim Pollitz (6’5 F)
Darris Nichols (6’1 G)
Alex Ruoff
Brian Asbury (6’5 F)
Zack Gibson
Cliff Hammonds
Brad Harris
Todd Hendley
Donald Sloan
Tyler Wilkerson
Reed Rawlings (6’5 F)

Head Coach: Mike Jarvis

Athletes In Action is the sports branch of Campus Crusade for Christ International. Dave Hannah, who desired to capitalize on society's great love of sports and utilize the platform given to athletes to reach the world for Jesus Christ, founded AIA in 1966.

[jason_28c]

Are the games televised at btv or abc5, reply pls..........

[limlioanglix]

Are the games televised at btv or abc5, reply pls..........

last sunday in the PBA games they say that all games will televised on ABC5.. maybe all RP game only, not sure if live or delayed telecast...

[Projectspeed]

Here is the official website of 2007 Jones Cup

however,,, it is in Chinese :D

http://jonescup.roodo.com/

:D

[viperbravo]

Guys, I think the RP team can make it the top 3 this coming Jones Cup. With the inclusion of the 4 new players, they can beat all of them!

I believe, the RP team can win!win the Championships!

[saints13]

Here is the official website of 2007 Jones Cup

however,,, it is in Chinese :D

http://jonescup.roodo.com/

:D


does it have an english site?

[StreakShutr]

Tyler Wilkerson (6’6 F)
Eric and Tim Pollitz (6’5 F)
Darris Nichols (6’1 G)
Alex Ruoff
Brian Asbury (6’5 F)
Zack Gibson
Cliff Hammonds
Brad Harris
Todd Hendley
Donald Sloan
Tyler Wilkerson
Reed Rawlings (6’5 F)

Head Coach: Mike Jarvis

Athletes In Action is the sports branch of Campus Crusade for Christ International. Dave Hannah, who desired to capitalize on society's great love of sports and utilize the platform given to athletes to reach the world for Jesus Christ, founded AIA in 1966.


I think RP team will have a good chance of beating this team. Should they loose, it will not be more than 7 points. With the absence of Siegle, I do hope JY can step-up.

[apiSigbinz]

Guys, who do you think will be the top three team in this year's Jones Cup? (in any order)
Please vote according to your analysis of each team.

here's mine...

1. AIA
2. Taiwan
3. Jordan or Lebanon
.
.
6. Philippines :D :D :D

[viperbravo]

here's mine...

1. AIA
2. Taiwan
3. Jordan or Lebanon
.
.
6. Philippines :D :D :D


1. Jordan
2. Phillippines
3. AIA
4. Taiwan
5. Lebanon

[watiwawa]

TAIWAN will be the champion!!!

[Projectspeed]

Here is the TV schedule for Philippine cable subscribers :D

http://www.espnstar.com/index.html

:D

[Ventisei26]

isnt it AIA that will represent USA, the former team that represented USA?

Hehehe, I was just being sarcastic. that's why there's a "just kidding" at the end.

[regierr]

jones cup is not an important tournament win or lose it wouldn't matter to us. scouting our opponents is one of reasons why we joined this tourney.

[TauNgaVa]

jones cup is not an important tournament win or lose it wouldn't matter to us. scouting our opponents is one of reasons why we joined this tourney.

(sori bout my Inglesshhh)

at least a nice Jones Cup Title would be Good :cool:

[saints13]

Hehehe, I was just being sarcastic. that's why there's a "just kidding" at the end.

I forgot what it was all about. ok no prob.

[J`Shooter]

I think RP team will have a good chance of beating this team. Should they loose, it will not be more than 7 points. With the absence of Siegle, I do hope JY can step-up.


Well, I am really excited about the outcome yet. With Kelly, James and Eric (I hope Gabe can make it) an additional ingredients for the tasty RP TEAM, On my assessment, I am 85% sure that we can beat the young, tall and faster American-select christian team "AIA". I wish the RP Team coach scouted other Asian team pretty well like Iran, Jordan, Kazahkstan, Qatar, Chinese-Taipei and Syria (eventhough they will not join the tournament) because these teams developing so fast.

[J`Shooter]

The team with the best record will be the champion right? but... how about if 2 top teams had the same standing after the games and their losses are from other teams??? pls. shed some light about this!!! anybody??? thanks in advance!!:)


It will be decided on Scores, quotient computations will apply just like in SEABA Tournament were we champs!

[J`Shooter]

One serious problem coach chot is facing right now, is probably finalizing the final lineup. In my opinion, the first draft of the team was more of a balance team, only having 2 bigmen and 2 backup bigforwards in the likes of ranidel and kerby. this are my reasons why i think, its hard to pull either kerby or ranidel out of the NT:

1. In the Nt lineup, only Asi, Danny S. and Kerby R. are legitimate post presence. If we took out Kerby, then it will only give us Asi and Danny S.as our post player, but we have to remember that Danny will be playing more of the SF spot, rather than PF slot, so it means, we now have Asi as our only post player. Coach Chot thought that getting Kerby into the NT, will give ASi the much needed backup at the post. Since, chot wants to keep all his players fresh, some says it is most likely that we keep Kerby in the NT.

2. Now, about Ranidel, he's the only player in the NT, that plays big with his size. He's the kind of player that you would trust in both offense and defense. Remember guys, Ranidel was one of the player that inflict a lot of damage against Lebanon, and he proved it by defendng Fadi and dunking over Lebanon's bigmen. Ranidel is also a very good shooter, having a high percentage in the 3pt area made chot decide to include this guy in the NT. Versatility is one factor that coaches are looking for in a player. though he's only 6'5 and weighs about 210lbs. Ranidel has a pair of long arms, a vertical leap of 34inches and has a good body condition. in my opinion, those are good upsides for a player, and for a coach, thats a positive sign.

now, heres the deal, if we took one/both of them out of the team, then coach chot would need to reevalaute all his players, since the tasks of both of this players are much needed.

1. if you took kerby out, asi is the only post player. if that happens, we might an exhausted asi every after game. but kerby isnt showing the toughness that coach chot needs. will you take kerby out and replace him with thoss, considering the consequences?

2. if you took ranidel out, we'll lose a solid defender and muscle player at the 4 and 3 spot. we'll also lose a smart player, a 3pt shooter and a good role player. if danny S., Asi gets double team, no one will come from the weakside help. our only way is to kickout the ball to Alapag, hontiveros, ritualo. our options will be limited in the offensive side. So, what do you think guys, is he in or out? :)


Yeah, I saw him in action against the Lebanese Team at the SJ Arena, we have the same thought about Ranidel. He looks like a junior-college next door guy, but he's an effective player both offense and defense.

[anti_morales]

I have not watched a PBA game in a while, but last night, I saw Sonny Thoss, he has grown and I think may be a back up center for asi. He has bulked up a lot, and his post offense improved a lot. the coach should consider him.

Yeah, I saw him in action against the Lebanese Team at the SJ Arena, we have the same thought about Ranidel. He looks like a junior-college next door guy, but he's an effective player both offense and defense.

[J`Shooter]

This is my Dream Team:
1. Asi Taulava 6'9
2. Mick Pennisi 6'9
3. Yancy de Ocampo 6'9
4. Sonny Thoss 6’8
5. Eric Menk 6’6
6. Danny Seigle 6'7
7. Kelly Williams 6'6
8. Kerby Raymundo 6'6
9. Ranidel De Ocampo 6’5
10. Gabe Norwood 6'5
11. Don Don Hontiveros 6'2
12. Ren Ren Ritualo = 6'1
13. Mark Caguia 6'1
14. Willie Miller 6'1
15. Jimmy Alapag 5’9

My first five(5) for the RP team

1. Asi Taulava = 6'9
2. Eric Menk 6’6
3. Danny Seigle = 6'7
4. Kelly Williams = 6'6
5. Gabe Norwood 6'5


You have a real taste of choosing RP basketball players. With that kind of talented players, we are possible to beat CHINA.

[demonyito]

possible to beat china again....hmm...we even didnt what will be our chance againts Jordan and Iran int the so called group of death in Japan tourney next month

we need to beat first national teams like South Korea, Jordan, Iran, Qatar, Taiwan, Syria, Lebanon before beating China

[J`Shooter]

I have not watched a PBA game in a while, but last night, I saw Sonny Thoss, he has grown and I think may be a back up center for asi. He has bulked up a lot, and his post offense improved a lot. the coach should consider him.


Cool, that is cool Morales... Joaquim got a real body now as a big man...I noticed him this finals. He's getting scores now, he can jump more and hussle more..I think he's already riped and matured enough now to back Asi.

[J`Shooter]

possible to beat china again....hmm...we even didnt what will be our chance againts Jordan and Iran int the so called group of death in Japan tourney next month

we need to beat first national teams like South Korea, Jordan, Iran, Qatar, Taiwan, Syria, Lebanon before beating China


Yeah, there so many peeps here who has a same thought like mine... Just like what I said on my previous thread, some Asian countries are developing so fast. Even the U.S. were suprised about the fast developments of some countries from South America and Europe. But here in Asia, it's not only China to be afraid of, Syria, Iran, Chinese-Taipei and Kazakhstan must be consider..I am not suprise if Kazakhstan will be the next powerhouse 3-5 years from now...

[bolabasket]

I have not watched a PBA game in a while, but last night, I saw Sonny Thoss, he has grown and I think may be a back up center for asi. He has bulked up a lot, and his post offense improved a lot. the coach should consider him.
Thoss is still in the RP Team pool primarily due to his potential. He was not included though in the final 15 selected for the FIBA Asia Championships mainly because his offense was still suspect. It was only just this PBA season that his offense progressed significantly and no doubt he would be in the RP Team sooner than expected.

[joel23]

Let's see the Philippine Team will improve and innovate??

[J`Shooter]

Yeah, there so many peeps here who has a same thought like mine... Just like what I said on my previous thread, some Asian countries are developing so fast. Even the U.S. were suprised about the fast developments of some countries from South America and Europe. But here in Asia, it's not only China to be afraid of, Syria, Iran, Chinese-Taipei and Kazakhstan must be consider..I am not suprise if Kazakhstan will be the next powerhouse 3-5 years from now...

This is what I am talking about....

Friendly Games
June 23, Kazakhstan 75 - Qatar 70
June 24, Kazakhstan 53 - Egypt 52
June 25, Kazakhstan 82 - USA 64

We can't beat the Qataris, but they can... I wish this is not the AIA team they beated.

[joel23]

This is what I am talking about....

Friendly Games
June 23, Kazakhstan 75 - Qatar 70
June 24, Kazakhstan 53 - Egypt 52
June 25, Kazakhstan 82 - USA 64

We can't beat the Qataris, but they can... I wish this is not the AIA team they beated.

what do you mean??? we can't beat the qataris but they can??? its indefinite!!! This is not a AIA team lost to them... how do u know that???

[joel23]

from Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan National team will take part in the International Tournament in Doha, Qatar. There Kazakhstan will face Philippines, Egypt and Qatar. The teams will play in round-robin format. After the first round the semifinals will be played. The winners will clash in the Final. Alexey Yeropkin previously named the squad that includes Dmitri Korovnikov, Mikhail Evstigneev (203-F-84), Alexandr Yemelyanov, Yegor Biryulin (185-G-86), Andrei Shpekht and Rustam Yargaliyev (195-F-86). After the tournament in Doha Kazakhstan National team moves to Taipei to play in the Jones Cup. All these competitions emerge as a part of the preparation period for 24th Asian Championship in Japan.

[jason_28c]

lets see how the kazaks play againts our RP Team in the coming jones cup

[donmar]

lets see how the kazaks play againts our RP Team in the coming jones cup

I just hope they don't have Borat as their cheerleader!:D

[vladski]

Any idea which channel in the middle east the jones cup will be shown?

I need your help on this karim & daniab.

Thanks.

[saints13]

Kazakhstan NT

Head coach: Vitaliy Strebkov
Assistant: Alexey Yeropkin

Anton Ponomarev 1988.10.31 209 100
Rustam Yargavliev 1986.12.20 193 90
Ivan Nechayev 1982.12.09 183 80
Alexandr Tyutyunik 1990.07.05 195 95
Andrey Shpekht 1976.01.31 195 95
Yegor Biryulin 1986.11.17 185 93
Yevgeniy Issakov 1982.04.20 202 90
Maxim Voyeikov 1988.09.13 195 89
Mikhail Yevstigneyev 1984.07.05 203 108
Artyom Skornyakov 1990.08.28 209 108
Dmitriy Gavrilov 1986.11.27 203 92
Dmitriy Korovnikov 1976.05.25 200 100


Qatar NT

Head coach: Edward Allen Andrist
Assistants: Eric Darrel Shaw-Gardow, Christopher Adam Westlake

1 Saad Abdulrahman Ali 1985.02.05 189 101
3 Khalid Masoud Al Nasr 1980.10.09 178 78
7 Daoud Mosa Daoud 1982.02.02 193 94
9 Ali Turki Ali 1982.10.01 203 113
10 Yasseen Ismail Musa 1980.12.08 203 91
11 Osama Adel Moutalga 1985.07.01 180 80
15 Omer Abdgader Salem 1983.10.01 205 104
16 Malek Salem Abdulla 1985.05.13 193 85
21 Khalid Suliman Abdi 1987.07.02 198 91
22 Salman AbuFaisal 1979.06.04 178 78
23 Erfan Ali Saeed 1983.12.20 200 95
24 Hashim Zaidan Bsher 1980.08.13 208 112
30 Baker Ahmad Mohammed 1986.11.08 200 106
31 Hammam Omer Ismail 1983.09.15 200 80
33 Mohd Yousuf Mohmmed 1982.09.09 202 100
34 Mohammed Seleem Abdulla 1982.07.17 202 117


Athletes in Action (USA)

Head coach: Mike Jarvis
Assistants: Morris Michalski, Jason Beschta

Brian Asbury 1986.10.01 201 98
Cliff Hammonds 1986.01.01 191 89
Bradley Harris 1986.06.30 188 79
Darris Nichols 1986.05.20 191 91
Eric Pollitz 1986.01.20 198 97
Tim Pollitz 1986.01.20 198 97
Alex Ruoff 1986.08.29 198 95
Donald Sloan 1988.01.15 188 91
Reed Rawlings 1978.09.01 201 98
Tyler Wilkerson 1988.07.25 188 109
Zack Gibson 1987.09.07 208 102
Todd Hendley 1984.06.17 206 102


Philippines NT

Head coach: Vincent P. Reyes
Assistants: Salvador Antonio Castro, Raoul Ceasar Racela

4 Mark Anthony Caguioa 1979.11.19 183 77
5 James Carlos Yap 1982.02.15 191 86
6 Jimmy Alapag 1977.12.30 175 77
7 Donaldo Hontiveros 1977.06.01 189 82
8 Pauliasi Taulava 1973.03.02 206 125
9 Ranidel De Ocampo 1981.12.08 198 94
10 Gabriel Daniel Norwood 1985.02.09 196 86
11 Michael Pennisi 1975.03.03 210 114
12 Kerby Reymundo 1981.01.19 201 95
13 Anthony Helterbrand 1976.10.14 183 86
14 Florendo Ritualo Jr. 1979.06.14 183 83
15 Kelly Williams 1982.02.07 196 98


Jordan NT

Head coach: Mario Palma
Assistants: Mario Gomes, Zoran Dokic

4 Fadel Anajjar 1985.04.03 194 92
5 Rashiem Wright 1981.07.21 193 90
6 Zaid Abbaas 1983.11.21 203 96
7 Mousa Alawadi 1985.07.20 185 97
8 Issamorcos Beida Kamel 1983.01.01 195 89
9 Enver Soobzokov 1978.05.03 194 92
10 Mousa Bashir 1978.07.13 208 110
11 Wesam Al-Sous 1983.02.24 181 78
12 Jamal Almaaytah 1981.02.24 213 120
13 Zaid Alkhas 1976.03.07 204 115
14 Abbas Islam 1980.03.11 200 115
15 Ayman Idais 1978.06.28 205 96
Osama Daghles


South Korea NT

Head coach: Choi Bu-Yung
Assistants: Lee Min-Hyun, Kang Jung-Soo

4 Ha Seung-Jin 1985.08.04 223 130
5 Shin Ki-Sung 1985.04.30 180 80
6 Yang Dong-Geun 1981.09.14 180 81
7 Kang Byung-Hyun 1985.03.03 192 84
8 Kim Joo-Sung 1979.11.09 205 93
9 Lee Kyu-Sup 1977.11.13 197 97
10 Kim Dong-Woo 1980.02.03 200 95
11 Kim Seung-Hyun 1978.11.23 178 78
12 Yang Hee-Jong 1984.05.11 195 94
13 Cha Jae-Young 1984.08.05 196 83
14 Sandrin Daniel R. 1980.01.27 200 96
15 Kim Min-Soo 1982.01.16 200 93


Iran NT

Head coach: Rajko Toroman
Assistant: Hahran Hatami

4 Pooya Tadjik 1980.09.21 200 93
5 Amir Amini 1984.06.10 193 75
6 Javad Davan 1983.04.25 184 75
7 M.S. Nikkhah Bahrami 1983.05.11 199 88
8 Aidin Nikkhah Bahrami 1982.02.05 200 83
9 Iman Zandi Mashhadi 1981.09.19 189 78
10 Hamed Afagh Eslamieh 1983.02.01 188 73
11 Hamed Sourabnejad 1983.05.07 208 83
12 Oshin Sahakian1986.03.21 203 91
13 Ali Doraghi 1984.09.20 207 98
14 Moosa Nablpoor 1983.08.14 213 100
15 Hamed Ehadadi 1985.05.19 217 103


Japan World University Games NT

Head coach: Hasegawa, Kenji
Assistant: Won Byung-Sun

4 Machida, Yosuke 1983.04.04 197 92
5 Onishi, Takanori 1983.04.03 195 95
6 Oya, Shusaka 1983.08.29 193 91
7 Ishizaki, Takumi 1984.07.06 187 85
8 Kikuchi, Shohei 1984.08.27 190 85
9 Inoue, Akihito 1984.10.08 197 88
10 Sakai, Taiji 1984.08.28 187 87
11 Shonaka, Takeki 1984.09.15 180 76
12 Okada, Yusuke 1984.09.17 184 80
13 Kantake, Hayato 1986.08.01 194 80
14 Ono, Ryumo 1988.01.06 197 97


Lebanon NT

Head coach: Dragan Raca
Assistant: Kousay Khalaf

Mohamad Ibrahim 1983.04.10 198 102
Jean Abd El Nour 1983.11.29 196 95
Hussein Tawbe 1982.07.16 198 96
Ali Mahmoud 1983.05.28 186 82
Rony Fahed 1981.11.06 186 85
Omar El Turk 1981.09.30 192 88
Brian Feghali 1977.12.30 206 110
Roy Samaha 1984.09.12 205 112
Joseph Vogel 1973.09.15 211 115
Ali Fakhreddine 1983.04.03 204 102
Mazen Mneinmeh 1986.02.01 195 95
Bassem Balaa 1981.07.10 198 98
El Cheikh Fadi El Khatib 1979.01.01 197 106

Taiwan NT 15-man roster

Head coach: Chung Kwang Suk
Assistant: Liu Jia-fa

Lee Hsueh-lin (Yulon)
Hsu Hao-cheng (TB)
Chen Shih-nian (TB)
Wu Yong-jen (VL)
Lin Chih-jay (TB)
Chou Shih-yuan (Yulon)
Chen Hsin-an (Yulon)
Lu Cheng-ju (Yulon)
Yang Che-yi (VL)
Yang Chin-min (BOT)
Lin Yi-huei (Dacin)
Lee Chi-yi (VL)
Yua Ying-li (BOT)
Tsun Wen-din (Yulon)
Wu Dai-hao (ETSN)

[Onizuka01]

I wish Danny Seigle could play in Jones Cup, though it's final he wont be playing due to his injury too bad :( but, well its better off w/ out him for other team scouting reports. :D We all hope he would get better by the time on FIBA-ASIA Championships. STAY OUT OF INJURIES DANNY! Lol :D

[J`Shooter]

I just hope they don't have Borat as their cheerleader!:D

hahahhaa.... we will beat Kazakhs....BORAT?? hehehe....

[Ventisei26]

well said!

btw, thx for the translation.

anyways, do u speak spanish? chavacano?

You're welcome. I speak Spanish.

[Ventisei26]

I just hope they don't have Borat as their cheerleader!:D

Hahaha, Borat will be a distraction if the Kazaks bring him as cheerleader, coz I am sure Borat will be wearing his thong.

[joel23]

You know what cable channel the Jones Cup live in taiwan channel??? What channel?

[jason_28c]

prediction on the first day of jones cup.. who will win the matches in the 1st day of jones cup?.........

[Mr_Luo]

What site will have the stream for this event?

[RNHalawi]

Jordan defeated Kazakhstan.... (63-61)

Lebanon defeated Iran... (80-71)

source: http://jonescup.roodo.com

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4688/jonecupresultjuly2ii1.jpg

[daniab]

First,a big congratulation for our team.
Second,did Joe Vogel,Brian bchara and ali mahmoud play the game against iran,thanks.

[jason_28c]

congratulations daniab.......... hope we have a good game tomorrow vs phil

[viperbravo]

Qatar Korea games on going.

1st Quarter

Korea = 20
Qatar = 20

The players of Qatar are not a true Qatari Citizens. Right?

[jason_28c]

thanks for the update viperbravo

[WIZARD]

thx for the update keep it on...
p.s no they r all africans

[viperbravo]

thx for the update keep it on...
p.s no they r all africans



hehehe, I think your right!

[joel23]

Hey! The Filipinos can do this...You know the Korean's weaker than in the past.. The Qataris still a same strength in the past 5 years

[viperbravo]

Qatar Korea games on going.

End of 2nd Quarter

Korea = 29
Qatar = 34

[RNHalawi]

First,a big congratulation for our team.
Second,did Joe Vogel,Brian bchara and ali mahmoud play the game against iran,thanks.

Fadi El Khatib - 35pts
ali mahmoud - 7pts
Rony Fahed- 11pts
Omar El Turk -17pts

Brian Feghali & Vogel didnt play...

[daniab]

Fadi El Khatib - 35pts
ali mahmoud - 7pts
Rony Fahed- 11pts
Omar El Turk -17pts

Brian Feghali & Vogel didnt play...

Thanks a lot..

[RNHalawi]

Thanks a lot..

sure no prob bro!!

congrats to your Lebanon NT!!!

[jundakki]

3rd quarter 5:36

KOR 39
QAT 43

[jundakki]

3rd quarter 2:39

KOR 42
QAT 51

[joel23]

Congratulations Lebanon defeat Iran by 9 points...

[apiSigbinz]

Congratz to Lebanon and Jordan too! i wish espn showed those games... Qatar is kind of weak for me they can't shot from the outside and Korea i think is not that strong compared to their previous NT... so i'm still sticking to my top 3 finisher here...

1. AIA
2. Taiwan
3. Jordan or Lebanon

:D

[joel23]

here's the link

http://jonescup.roodo.com/

[RNHalawi]

end of the 3rd Quarter!!!!

Qatar- 56
Korea -50

[joel23]

Congratz to Lebanon and Jordan too! i wish espn showed those games... Qatar is kind of weak for me they can't shot from the outside and Korea i think is not that strong compared to their previous NT... so i'm still sticking to my top 3 finisher here...

1. AIA
2. Taiwan
3. Jordan or Lebanon

:D

Hey! the Philippines can do this will be finished 1 or 2... If AIA's not good the Philippines will prevail... Taiwanese can recall by the Philippines... It's true no biased... Jordan can be beaten cause they win against Kazakstan by 2... And Lebanon lost twice by the Philippines,,, Lebanon as a same players played in Manila...

[jundakki]

4TH quarter 4:28

KOR 57
QAT 64

[WIZARD]

Hey! the Philippines can do this will be finished 1 or 2... If AIA's not good the Philippines will prevail... Taiwanese can recall by the Philippines... It's true no biased... Jordan can be beaten cause they win against Kazakstan by 2... And Lebanon lost twice by the Philippines,,, Lebanon as a same players played in Manila...

winning kazakhstan by 2 pts doesnt mean u gonna won us!!! how did u come up with this first of all kazkhstan is very good team..and they had defeated qatar twice in qatar in less than 2 days...every game has its own situation
plus our players arnt yet comfortable with this distance and playing at 10 am morning plus our main PG didnt play so lets see them tommorow

[daniab]

Hey! the Philippines can do this will be finished 1 or 2... If AIA's not good the Philippines will prevail... Taiwanese can recall by the Philippines... It's true no biased... Jordan can be beaten cause they win against Kazakstan by 2... And Lebanon lost twice by the Philippines,,, Lebanon as a same players played in Manila...

Wait tomorrow's game !!
You live in the past Joel23.

[jundakki]

4TH quarter 0:55.5

KOR 65
QAT 67

[viperbravo]

Wait tomorrow's game !!
You live in the past very much.

Its game time!

[joel23]

But the Korea still dangerous for us... They're crucial & clutch team...

[Phantim3dx]

fuckkkkkk I CAN WATCH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! GO DOWNLOAD SOPCAST AND WATCH ESPN SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIVE!!!!!!


KOREA 55
QATAR 67

55.5 SECONDS LEFT!!!!!!

DOWNLAOD SOPCAST!!!!!!! ESPNSPORTS SELECT AND ENJOY!!!! BROADBAND INTERNET A MUST!!!!

YTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

3 boards for Qatar. as a young team and unknown team ROK is givin the vet status naturalized qataris a hard time. coach of qatar is talkina nd yellin, dont let the koreans shoot outside. in the huddle. "dont foul the 3 point shooter" man those qataris speak perfect perfect ewnglish almsot like us city street slang. hehe

qatar made some free throws because each time they had an offensive rebound korea fouls. qatar has 2 fouls to give

[Phantim3dx]

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 12 Seconds To Go Korea Number 10 Kim Dong Woo, Guns A 3 Off The Glass Tied 68 A Piece!!! With 3 Qataris On Him. All Tied Now

[jundakki]

4TH quarter 12.4 sec

KOR 68
QAT 68 - ball possession

[jundakki]

Final Score

Kor 70
Qat 69

[joel23]

THe Philippine team's coming!!! Haha! Very bad break for qataris cause of FT shooting!!!... Beware of Koreans in crucial final!

[Phantim3dx]

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Korea Wins!!!!!! 3 Seconds Left They Drive The Ball After Being 68 Tied. 3 Seconds And Korea Drives And Gets Yhe Ball In. Wins By 1 Point Damne Xciting Game!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

I SEE TEA PHILIPPINES WARMING UP NOW. man got butterflies in my stomach!!!!!!!!!


got and i have diarrhea too! shit

[daniab]

I SEE TEA PHILIPPINES WARMING UP NOW. man got butterflies in my stomach!!!!!!!!!


got and i have diarrhea too! shit

Man,how can i watch the games ??

[bobo81]

Hahaha Phantim all up in here spazing hahaha :D I feel you brah, I was like this when I first found out about internet live streaming ;)

Thanx for the tracker between ROK and Qatar. I tried streaming it on Sopcast but it said the channel was offline. Ill try to catch RP vs US

[viperbravo]

Man,how can i watch the games ??

download sopcast

[Phantim3dx]

hey daniab download sopcast.com if that not the correct website go to google.com
and search sopcast.

download the whole sopcast package, then select espn sports.

half of the free throws were missed by qatar hence qatar lost. the announcers are saying that qatar was the better team, more ahletic, just mowed down the kroeans...except in free throws and in 3 point shooting. i dont know the stats yet but it seems like the koreans fro the 3 pt line were like over 50%, dont quote me yet. someone check it out for me

[bobo81]

Yo was this the first starting ROK team like Bang and all? Or was it an amateur team?

[Phantim3dx]

about to start. hilarious the announcer asked the phil announcer is number 7 a filipino. and the fil english speaking announcer paused then said...yes.. uh he's filipino.

hahaha

[Phantim3dx]

ah they were talking about villanueva haha. the american announcer asked hey is this villanueva i heard about a few yrs ago...fight anyone? hahaha



TIP OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

starting lineup was

caguia
helterbrand
villenuava
pennissi
5th one i forgot

[Phantim3dx]

Team Rp Has Got The Butterflies They Are Going Way Tooo Fast. Slow Down A Bit..

Phil Going With Man-zone Defense

[Phantim3dx]

MAN... NO OFFENSE ANYTHING BUT THE FIL ANNOUNCER A BIT BIASED. I LIKE HIS SUPPORT BUT AS AN ANNOUNCER YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE "neutral"

[Phantim3dx]

NICE DUNK BY GABE NORWOOD 6 MINUTES LEFT. NICE FAST BREAK

ANOTHER 3 BY PENNISSI . 5 point within 15 seconds

[Phantim3dx]

13-8 Rp Vs Usa

Norwood Has A Foul On Wilkerson. Norwood Jsut Got Mowed Down By The Pf/c Of Aia

[karim]

hey guys are you sure lebanoon beat iran without vogel,beshara and ali mahmoud......these are like 60% of the team , if yeah than all the teams in asia are in trouble :p .........

[joel23]

MAN... NO OFFENSE ANYTHING BUT THE FIL ANNOUNCER A BIT BIASED. I LIKE HIS SUPPORT BUT AS AN ANNOUNCER YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE "neutral"

what his saying?

[Phantim3dx]

usually when i watcha game and hear announcers its pretty much a balance commentary on both teams, but the phil guy is sjut discussing about the phil team. iits kind of infected the american announcer also

[joel23]

thw weaknesses of Philippine team is rebounding on inside... cause the opponent have more second chance points.. Kerby Raymundo's weakest link cause his weak pass

[Phantim3dx]

wow the full court trap by us coach jarvis working. he is seeing we are just long ballin the ball for a an up tempo game and they got the bigger wingspan. now tied 21 a piece 59 seconds lfyt.. WHAT THE FUCK STOP PASSING THE BALL CROSS COURT OR LONG COURT TEAM RP!~!!!!


DRIBBLE YOU GOT THE SPEED.

THE PRESS IS BOTHERING TEAM RP

[joel23]

usually when i watcha game and hear announcers its pretty much a balance commentary on both teams, but the phil guy is sjut discussing about the phil team. iits kind of infected the american announcer also

That's the truth saying.. He knows about this team... He knows them...

[demonyito]

and that uncontested last inside play by the Americans

[joel23]

AIA selection USA are fast but didn't shooting well...

[joel23]

Phi 34 Usa 31

[Phantim3dx]

man this is a nice game up nd down 34-31 RP

[joel23]

The Philippines needs the key push the tempo in the game for win the Title!

[Phantim3dx]

FROM NOW ON I AM CALLING PENNISSI "BEARD MAN" FROM WHAT AJAXBALLER SAID. I COPOED IT FROM HIM

BEARD MAN HAHAHA

HERE'S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY

"rp would crush [JAPAN], all of the filipinos look like they came out of a south central prison especially mister american history x himself the beard man"

[Phantim3dx]

Jimmy Alapag is my thugged out FLIP BALLA!

I WANT HIS JERSEY NOW!!! ITS ALL ABOUT ALAPAG AND BEARD MAN RIGHT NOW. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR GEAR TOGETHER ON RP TEAM

[demonyito]

usually when i watcha game and hear announcers its pretty much a balance commentary on both teams, but the phil guy is sjut discussing about the phil team. iits kind of infected the american announcer also

his name is Anthony Suntuhyah according to the american

yeah i'll buy Alapag jeresy tomorrow

[joel23]

PHI 39 USA 31 @ Half-Time... I think USA have tense??? They didn't shooting well but quick on tempo... The Philippine needs freethrow shooting for opportunity credit possession...

[Phantim3dx]

Fuck Jimmy Alapg Is Layin Down His Will Like Oses Said Go Ahead Im Opening The Lane Up For You.

The Beard Man The Beard Man Is Keepin Us In It.

Stop Fucking Long Ballin The Ball Or Cross Court Throwing It Gees

Pissing Me Off

[zouz]

about joe vogel and brian they won't play against philippine 2morow

[bobo81]

Did you guys know AIA is an evangelical sports ministry? Theyre from Campus Crusade for Christ! Sweet! Team RP, say your prayers now ;)

[Phantim3dx]

alapag 10
BEARD MAN 8
NORWOOD OR IS IT VILLENUAVA? IM GETTING CONFUSED NOW WHO IS WEARING THE 10 JERSEY REALLY
HAS 6

[black_thorne2001]

PHI 39 USA 31 @ Half-Time... I think USA have tense??? They didn't shooting well but quick on tempo... The Philippine needs freethrow shooting for opportunity credit possession...

RP team is lucky AIA is shooting poorly.

RP need to shoot their free throw specially ASI.:)

[Phantim3dx]

Revicon Max Commecial Wtf Is This Pill. Some Dude Doing Pushups Then Some Girl Gets Up. I Thought At First Its For Fitness, Btu Is It Like Some Natural Herbal Substitite For Viagra And Fitness Pill In One?

[Phantim3dx]

40-37 Rp

[joel23]

Philippines must improve rebounding, confidence shooting opportunity, passing communication, defensive help and freethrows

[Phantim3dx]

Damn We Are Ice Colde!!!!

[bubblepink]

can u update me with the score. tnx

[joel23]

WHATTA FUUCCCKKKK IS ASI TAULAVA'S FREETHROWS BAD WORST!!! HE PLAYED IN TALK N TEXT HE CONCENTRATED FOUL SHOOTING. AND MARK CAGUIA'S NOT SHOOTING WELL!:mad:

[Phantim3dx]

12.7% Fg For 3rd Quarter For Phil Team. Gees!!!

Alright 4th Wuarter The Grind Son!

[RNHalawi]

alapag 10
BEARD MAN 8
NORWOOD OR IS IT VILLENUAVA? IM GETTING CONFUSED NOW WHO IS WEARING THE 10 JERSEY REALLY
HAS 6

he is GABE NORWOOD bro..

[Phantim3dx]

The Face Was Norwoods, But The Announcer Kept Saying Villanueva And I Was Like Wtf. Whose Playing Tricks With Me

Gees 3rd Quarter. Bad


4th Qyarter Let The Grind Go

[Phantim3dx]

ust likJUST LIKE HOW THE ANNOUNCERS ARE ALWAYS MAKIGN MSITAKES WITH AAPAG AND CAGUIA BECAUSE OF THE DRIVES. THE DORM CANH EAR ME SCREAM CONSTANTLY DAMN.

48-47 USA



2ND CHANCES ARE KILLING US

[joel23]

Motherfucker Rp Players Are Not Boxout!!!

[Phantim3dx]

Wtf What The Hell Is Hontiveros Doing 3 Pump Fakes And Then Chukin The Ball. Gees Use The Dribble, Pass Or Shoot! Pu Tang Ina

[Phantim3dx]

Gees Team Rp Free Throw % Is 50 Gees

Im Glad Beard Man Came In And Alapg Just Made That 3

[bubblepink]

whats happening guys? whats the score? plsssss

[Phantim3dx]

53-52 Usa



No 55-52 Usa


Rp Shoots And Blocked By Donald Slona, Gees Rp Needs To Not Force Shots

Now 57-52

[Phantim3dx]

Alapag Just Gunned Another Clutch 3

57-55

Alapag Is The One Man Wrecking Crew Of Rp Team Followed By Beard Man

[joel23]

HEY THE FILIPINOS MUST NEED BOXING OUT MAN TO MAN!!!:mad:

[Phantim3dx]

Fuck Beard Man Just Followed Up 2 Of Alapags Three With His Own. Beard Man!!!!!


57-60 Rp Now

3 Minutes Left

[demonyito]

A L A P A G !!!!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

59-63 Rp

Jesus Christ Jimmy Alapg Is A One Man Wrecking Crew 3 Clutch 3 With Hands On His Faces And Body

If He Doesnt Pentrate He Goes Beyond The Line!!!!


And Beginning Of The 2nd Half Jarvis Was Askin That Alapg Be Doubled Or Pressure More.

3 Minutes Left In The 4th Quarter

[Phantim3dx]

65-63

God The 2 Minute Grind!!!!

Fuck Dont Chilke!!!!


Waust The Clock... Shit Caguia Just Hacked A 3!!!!!!

68-63

[joel23]

70 - 62 Philippines hey! its not over! give honest defense and don't give to three!!

[bubblepink]

fck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 70-62 The Announcer Jsut Said..american One

Rp Team On The Open Court Where They Love To Be!!!!

Little Jimmy Alapag Is Carryin The Load


70-62 1:29 Left

Rp Lead

Fuck Dont Choke Now!!!

[joel23]

hey take it easy focus!

[bubblepink]

what now????????

[Phantim3dx]

1 Minute Left 70-62 Left

Caguia Needs To Calm Down And Stop Being Sloppy With The Ball
That Turnover Was Unnecssary

[joel23]

5 secs in the shot clock... Give Jimmy or Gabe Norwood... TC on the ball!

[Phantim3dx]

40 Seconds Left Usa With A Long 2

70-65 Rp

22 SECONDS LEFT

70-65 RP

RP GETS THE BALL BACK.

[joel23]

Ok success! good game!!!:)

[Phantim3dx]

Ashit Coach's Reyes's Strategy Looks Hectic As Helthy I Got Lost Somewhere In The Middle



Oh At The Buzzard!!!! Caguai!!!

72-65

9 Seconds Lfyt

[bubblepink]

did we win?

[Phantim3dx]

You Guys Beater Go Out In Your Streets And Be Screaming Right Now. Because The Office Lady Just Told Me To Quite Down In My Room. Im Screaming With Joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantim3dx]

72-67 Rp

Seconds

We Won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go Scream Go Scream Outside My Fellow Filo Brothers!!! Go Scream Like How I Jsut Got Yelled By The Office Lady In My Dorm Here In Beijing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joel23]

You know Mark Caguioa is clutch shooter!

[Dinamita]

good win...

Good work on adjusting the defensive rebounds...

Good thing the americans are not good shooters...


looking forward for the next game...

[bobo81]

Ya'll need to calm down. Nice win for Team RP. Congrads.

Jimmy basically carried the entire team on his shoulders. Good luck against Lebanon, you guys need to get your act together though.

[Dinamita]

I saw villanueva on the stats sheet but I didnt see him play...
YAP and MENK was on the bench...

KG CANALETA was useless... not even a single rebound... I hope Menk will replace KG...

NORWOOD looks more FILIPINO than I thought...:D

[Phantim3dx]

God My Adrenaline Was Jsut Drained Fro The Day

[daniab]

Be Carefull for tomorrow's game ;)
Anyway Congratulations Fillipinos brothers.:)

[Dinamita]

what time is the game tomorrow?

[jundakki]

RP NT always shoots freethrows poorly in international games

[daniab]

what time is the game tomorrow?

17.30