RP Basketball Program

[ctongco]

Now that we have a new and more organized (I hope) basketball governing body, what are the things that we need to concentrate to improve basketball in the Philippines.

A good Grassroots program is the most important and basic. Here we could start developing players from about 4-8years old.

Organized Elementary, High school, College and Amateur basketball leagues. This would even be better if it was integrated on a National level.

Also we need to send young players experience in FIBA's age bracket tourneys.

What are the other things that will help Philippine Basketball?

[Phantim3dx]

Now that we have a new and more organized (I hope) basketball governing body, what are the things that we need to concentrate to improve basketball in the Philippines.

A good Grassroots program is the most important and basic. Here we could start developing players from about 4-8years old.

Organized Elementary, High school, College and Amateur basketball leagues. This would even be better if it was integrated on a National level.

Also we need to send young players experience in FIBA's age bracket tourneys.

What are the other things that will help Philippine Basketball?


natl level in terms of big university/college programs would be great. it seems like msot of the game si hear are only fro the ones in manila. it'd benice if it was unified to include every major uni in the phil/ but always money problem.

i guess everything comes down to money. your concept is great and an excellent idea though.

my personal thought is others should start branching towards other basketball leagues throughout asia and europe, not jsut dream of the NBA. whether the competition is weaker in other countries or same level it gives pinoys a broader perspective on things and what they can get out of it they can taker back to the homeland and then analyze it to be imitated or used in natl competition of that country.

i can see though some saying that its nto a good idea to branch because other countries will be bias and that pinoy players will be turned down. well yeah i can see this happening but the more you kee doing this the mroe the barrier wall will be worn down eventully giving way to pinoys to play in foreign leagues. just how business and the prof level goes.

[alermac]

my personal thought is others should start branching towards other basketball leagues throughout asia and europe, not jsut dream of the NBA. whether the competition is weaker in other countries or same level it gives pinoys a broader perspective on things and what they can get out of it they can taker back to the homeland and then analyze it to be imitated or used in natl competition of that country.
Maybe Asia and Oceania could use a rule that allow Asian & Oceanic players to play anywhere in the continent as nationals, just to imitate the EU market.

And also, good and long regional competitions would be needed. (For example, a Pacific league including Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, Australian and New Zealand clubs)

[ctongco]

Perhaps the Asian Club Championships might be utilized to help asian countries elevate their basketball standards. Only that instead of only one-club-per-country, we could give each country 2-4 entries. Also it might be a good idea not to include imports as some teams rely heavily on their imports, which would have their local players sit on the bench or just watch the import play. Imagine China sending 4 clubs from the CBA, Japan sending 4 clubs from the JBA, Philippines sending 4 teams, etc.... The only problem with this is probably the scheduling of each domestic league. Anyway, it's just wishful thinking.

[jramoyo]

Unlike Europe though, travel is a lot more difficult and expensive within the Asian circuit...

[ctongco]

Is there any news about BAP-SBP developing a youth-program for basketball?

[ctongco]

The PBA Rookie Camp usually reveals rookie applicants' skills and promising players. I just hope that the PBA does this kind of camp throughout the year in different provinces. This way, we could find a lot of good players.

[rensquared]

Unlike Europe though, travel is a lot more difficult and expensive within the Asian circuit...
Yeah, travel will be very difficult, for countries from our continent are quite far compared to europe. What would you prefer, only one venue or have players travel and teams can secure some home court advantage?

[KobeWanKenobi]

The PBA Rookie Camp usually reveals rookie applicants' skills and promising players. I just hope that the PBA does this kind of camp throughout the year in different provinces. This way, we could find a lot of good players.

Actually a player can only join the rookie camp if he applied for the draft. Its not an open camp for anyone to join.

That being said, if a person is talented, he could simply get an application form in the PBA office, submit the necessary documentation, and if accepted, he is automatically allowed to join the Rookie Camp.

There are a lot of unknowns who join the rookie camp. Some even 38 year olds with delusions of grandeur. That's why we see the entire draft pool being composed of 60 plus players and yet only 20 are drafted with the rest being of very questionable abilities.

[ctongco]

Actually a player can only join the rookie camp if he applied for the draft. Its not an open camp for anyone to join.

That being said, if a person is talented, he could simply get an application form in the PBA office, submit the necessary documentation, and if accepted, he is automatically allowed to join the Rookie Camp.

There are a lot of unknowns who join the rookie camp. Some even 38 year olds with delusions of grandeur. That's why we see the entire draft pool being composed of 60 plus players and yet only 20 are drafted with the rest being of very questionable abilities.


Thanks for the info. Anyway, couldn't they do some kind of try-outs in different provinces for possible good recruits? I just think that by having try-outs or basketball camps in the provinces could be beneficial to the scouting of potential players.

[KobeWanKenobi]

Thanks for the info. Anyway, couldn't they do some kind of try-outs in different provinces for possible good recruits? I just think that by having try-outs or basketball camps in the provinces could be beneficial to the scouting of potential players.

There are a lot of leagues based in the provinces. Talented players usually prove their worth there and then are eventually signed by PBL teams. From the PBL they eventually join the PBA.

[VII]

natl level in terms of big university/college programs would be great. it seems like msot of the game si hear are only fro the ones in manila. it'd benice if it was unified to include every major uni in the phil/ but always money problem.

i guess everything comes down to money. your concept is great and an excellent idea though.

my personal thought is others should start branching towards other basketball leagues throughout asia and europe, not jsut dream of the NBA. whether the competition is weaker in other countries or same level it gives pinoys a broader perspective on things and what they can get out of it they can taker back to the homeland and then analyze it to be imitated or used in natl competition of that country.

1. philippines should encourage the national college competition such as the champions league where team from visaya and mindanao participate and all the non ncaa (phil) and uaap team in manila..

a lot of talent can be seen in those games...although some school see this as a tune up for their up and coming players and usually wrap their starters in cotton wool...

2. also i still believe in basic fundamentals...in the philippines everyone wants to be like mike!! or lebron or kobe... everyone wants to drive!! no one wants to shoot anymore...no more playing hard D...
so i guess teach the kids to know more about shooting and ball movement etc. as it has become a dying skills...
if you notice...big man in europe can shoot!! and thats your regular 6-5 to 6-9 players...in the philippines its a luxury to have someone like that...if you do then you dominate...just look at seigle...6-8?? and got a nice hand...and a shoo in in the national team...

3. have a national director for youth development. he would be in charge of spotting talent in hundreds of youth out there...where it be in america or in the phils...
let say the director see a potential centre. who is still young ...send him straight to the centre school in georgetown where ewing, mourning and dikembe motumbo came from...(gotta admit they produce good centre)
or anywhere they can develop a pivot player..

4. alway expose the national player in international competition or even just friendly games so we are not out of touch against other nation...
regularly invite china. sth korea and the likes to manila...

5. change PBA rules. and align it to a more international friendly rule of fiba...
although i see a downside of this...pba is exciting because of its rules...
fiba rules is a bit boring to my taste...or maybe its just the players i see play the rules...
anyway this is what i think...enjoy..

[-K2-]

can someone please illustrate us which are the difference between FIBA rules and PBA rules?

thanks

[VII]

couldnt find the actual rule of PBA...so i just quoted the RP national coach...

In international tournaments sanctioned by FIBA, a player is allowed to use his hands against a player on the offensive side. That way, the defensive player will have more strength in defending against the attacker.
But in the PBA, there is what they call a handcheck foul.
"It's just one of the rules that I think needs to be amended," said Reyes. "This kind of adjustment is important if we really want our players to get use to international or FIBA rules."
The PBA only allows players on the defensive end to use there arm to prevent players on the offensive side.
Reyes said that it's more physical playing in the international arena than in the PBA.
Hard contacts are prevalent in most international tournaments.

In the PBA, a player who commits a hard contact or a hard foul even without intention of hurting an opponent would sometimes be slapped a flagrant foul. "

[-K2-]

couldnt find the actual rule of PBA...so i just quoted the RP national coach...

In international tournaments sanctioned by FIBA, a player is allowed to use his hands against a player on the offensive side. That way, the defensive player will have more strength in defending against the attacker.
But in the PBA, there is what they call a handcheck foul.
"It's just one of the rules that I think needs to be amended," said Reyes. "This kind of adjustment is important if we really want our players to get use to international or FIBA rules."
The PBA only allows players on the defensive end to use there arm to prevent players on the offensive side.
Reyes said that it's more physical playing in the international arena than in the PBA.
Hard contacts are prevalent in most international tournaments.

In the PBA, a player who commits a hard contact or a hard foul even without intention of hurting an opponent would sometimes be slapped a flagrant foul. "
yeah, I already read that article about the Phi NT. I think its on asia basket.

[vladski]

We heard reyes echoing some PBA rules to be amended after seeing the international kind of games that devour the Phil NT.

Will Professional Leagues such as NBA & PBA change its rules that people love to see???

Players are well protected in Professional Leagues such as PBA & NBA. And most of the rules are made for entertainment purposes which the NBA & the PBA are succesful beneficiaries. The more entertaining the games are, the more people would watch... and everything will follow... advertisements, sponsors, fans & supporters...

The question is whether PBA is willing to sacrifice the Institution's future and take that BIG step in amending some rules?? It's the risk that they have to take and that risk is everything for PBA.

For sure NBA, PBA, Team owners and players have thought about that long before but that uncalculated risk is what they can't take.

Looking at the positive side, if the Philippines will achieve its dream to be back on its seat as asia's basketball power again, PBA popularity will surely rise. It's a chain reaction. Who would want to support a sport that doesn't perform well in international competition? Look at billards, bowling and boxing, not everyone knows how to play those sports, especially boxing. But why boxing has so many supporters and very popular in the Phil? because its athletes performs well in international competitions.

Going back to our history, basketball suddenly became so popular in the philippines when it starts harvesting medals in international competitions in the 1916, 1920's, 30's, 50's. Like everyone else in the world, we were once a soccer crazy nation until bball was introduced by YMCA in early 1900's.

What am i saying here???

If PBA boards, will only make neccessary adjustments of its rules to adopt internationally kind of game, in no time Philippines will be able to achieve its target as asia's powerhouse again. And when that time comes, the rest will fall on its proper places... bball in the Phil will be more popular than ever.

[Phantim3dx]

PBA rules is almost identical to NBA rules K2, with less dwayne wade-ism ghost fouls, i assume.

[viperbravo]

Viva Rp Team!!!

[jaybz]

In my opinion..the best way for RP to discover potential national players is to setup a truly National League...every Region should be well represented...from Luzon to Mindanao..that way, we could have the whole Philippines as a pool...don't set age limits in that league..I mean if there's a HS kid who has game let him play with the bigboys..that's were the likes of Tony Parker of France developed his game...no offense to the PBA..but its basically a Metro Manila League...

[VII]

In my opinion..the best way for RP to discover potential national players is to setup a truly National League...every Region should be well represented...from Luzon to Mindanao..that way, we could have the whole Philippines as a pool...don't set age limits in that league..I mean if there's a HS kid who has game let him play with the bigboys..that's were the likes of Tony Parker of France developed his game...no offense to the PBA..but its basically a Metro Manila League...

they did that already...its called MBA...and theyre defunct..

[jaybz]

they did that already...its called MBA...and theyre defunct..

that could have been the best solution..but it was without the right corporate backers...imagine if the PBA and MBA merged during that time...it could have been great...at least everybody will have a chance to perform in the national stage and players would be more accustomed playing in hostile arenas..unlike in the PBA right now that only 150+ players are given the chance to play and the only team plays in an unfriendly arena is when playing agains Ginebra?

[VII]

yes the lack of corporate backer's is just one of the reason..
also you have to remember that MBA players are getting almost the same salary as the PBA players...and the ones on the MBA are less capable of maintaining that kind of monetary backing since economy wise the southern part of the country cant cope with a very expensive gate ticket...

so yeah money talks..bullsh1t walks..

whats why i suggest to promote that CCL collegiate champions league as it already involves college/university from almost every school league...
like an ncaa (america)...
PAC10 winner and BIG EAST something someting winner go to the dance or sweet 16 as they say...

were in the philippines...say winner of NCAA (Phils) Letran meet winner of SCAA?? (not sure if thats the right acronym) and NCRAA and UAAP and other school league..

it doesnt have to be corporate....
although i would like to see some corporate backing on this. to make it more interesting for other school to participate...

[jaybz]

yes the lack of corporate backer's is just one of the reason..
also you have to remember that MBA players are getting almost the same salary as the PBA players...and the ones on the MBA are less capable of maintaining that kind of monetary backing since economy wise the southern part of the country cant cope with a very expensive gate ticket...

so yeah money talks..bullsh1t walks..

whats why i suggest to promote that CCL collegiate champions league as it already involves college/university from almost every school league...
like an ncaa (america)...
PAC10 winner and BIG EAST something someting winner go to the dance or sweet 16 as they say...

were in the philippines...say winner of NCAA (Phils) Letran meet winner of SCAA?? (not sure if thats the right acronym) and NCRAA and UAAP and other school league..

it doesnt have to be corporate....
although i would like to see some corporate backing on this. to make it more interesting for other school to participate...

yah..we are talking about the National Collegiate Championships..but the sad part is Manila based schools are holding back their Team A's..instead they let their Team B's do the playing...so its still not giving us the right results...

[VII]

yah..we are talking about the National Collegiate Championships..but the sad part is Manila based schools are holding back their Team A's..instead they let their Team B's do the playing...so its still not giving us the right results...

thats right...they usually use this competition to introduce their new players into the fold...and theyre mostly second stringers...
i say if your representing your school..you need to put in the best you got..but unfortunately thats not the case with manila school..

i say put a big money reward for the winner...and SBP-BAP should somewhat do something about this...if they can get their act together

[ctongco]

Is there any news about an organized and national grass-roots program? I read in an article several weeks ago that there was a plan on forming a Youth National Team. Any updates on this?

good day!

[ctongco]

I think it would be a good idea to start inviting club teams from Europe and other basketball powers to play in the PBA. Much like what they did when they invited a team from China and Korea. Club teams from the basketball powers will help in improving our basketball level. A good idea would be to remove the conference with imports and replace it with an invitational conference featuring invited clubs from Europe and other basketball powers. PBA teams would play all-filipino. What do you think?

good day!

[PinoyBBALL]

Guys why not tap coach yeng guiao to handle the grass root development of RP basketball. Though i'm not a Red Bull fan, but coach Yeng have already proven it the he can develop players into a relevant contributor to his team even those who are bench and practice players from other PBA team..The way he handled SARSI cola before, then swift, and now red bull, i think he is by far the most underrated coach in our country..If you remember guys he made Balinquit, albarillo, c.estrada, e.reyes, r.marata, and now sharma, bugia, j.valenzuela and among others, though not really a star player but a valuable team contributor in the PBA that became very strong as a team. He even revive the careers of a. saldana,y.villamin,and fonacier. Even Al Solis and Nelson asaytono, were bench players before they came to Swift. He may not have developed this guys into a star players in the PBA but he made them become a formidable team when combined..I think he has this inert talent that he can make any team he have into the like of champions detroit 2 years ago... I hope next time coach yeng will be allowed to handle RP team too.. No offense to coach chot coz i know he is also best in his own coaching style too..

[ctongco]

Guys why not tap coach yeng guiao to handle the grass root development of RP basketball. Though i'm not a Red Bull fan, but coach Yeng have already proven it the he can develop players into a relevant contributor to his team even those who are bench and practice players from other PBA team..The way he handled SARSI cola before, then swift, and now red bull, i think he is by far the most underrated coach in our country..If you remember guys he made Balinquit, albarillo, c.estrada, e.reyes, r.marata, and now sharma, bugia, j.valenzuela and among others, though not really a star player but a valuable team contributor in the PBA that became very strong as a team. He even revive the careers of a. saldana,y.villamin,and fonacier. Even Al Solis and Nelson asaytono, were bench players before they came to Swift. He may not have developed this guys into a star players in the PBA but he made them become a formidable team when combined..I think he has this inert talent that he can make any team he have into the like of champions detroit 2 years ago... I hope next time coach yeng will be allowed to handle RP team too.. No offense to coach chot coz i know he is also best in his own coaching style too..


How about Coach Eric Altamirano? I know he has a training program for kids.

[Saskibaloia]

I think it would be a good idea to start inviting club teams from Europe and other basketball powers to play in the PBA. Much like what they did when they invited a team from China and Korea.


Well the clubs from Europe need to be Euroleague or at least ULEB Cup clubs and not like the last time when the PBA invited a 3rd Division Serbian Under 18 basketball club.


A good idea would be to remove the conference with imports and replace it with an invitational conference featuring invited clubs from Europe and other basketball powers.

I still believe that there should always be a conference with the PBA clubs having an import BUT they (PBA Board of Directors) MUST remove the import height limit. As if Asi and other PBA centres cannot handle a 7feet giant or a muscular 6´10 power forward. OF COURSE they can.

In summary, I think there should be 3 conferences: (1.) All Filipino Cup (2.) Import reinforced conference (3.) Invitational conference inviting clubs not only from Asia and Europe but also from Oceania and the Middle East. Of course imports would be allowed in the invitational conference.

[PinoyBBALL]

2 years ago PBA have already invited foreign team for invitational cup, but maybe for the lack of international prestige of our league, foreign countries are sending practice players, who came here not to play but to enjoy the natural scenery of our county. Ther is even a croatian team who seems to look like office workers not bball players..But this year i hope we can make strong finish in international tournament for in this way it gives a legitimacy to our own PBA as training grounds for foreign team as well..
I agree with u bro (Saskibaloia) we still need to retain imports.. Maybe PBA can make it like having a no height limit for cellar dweller teams and all the others have decreasing height limit base on their standing. In this way this will limit all pba team from fieldng all 7 footers imports, coz we not only need to learn how to guard behemoth mobile centers but we still need also to learn how to defend athletic tall guards and forwards..

[ctongco]

I still believe that there should always be a conference with the PBA clubs having an import BUT they (PBA Board of Directors) MUST remove the import height limit. As if Asi and other PBA centres cannot handle a 7feet giant or a muscular 6´10 power forward. OF COURSE they can.

In summary, I think there should be 3 conferences: (1.) All Filipino Cup (2.) Import reinforced conference (3.) Invitational conference inviting clubs not only from Asia and Europe but also from Oceania and the Middle East. Of course imports would be allowed in the invitational conference.


I agree with the "No-Height-limit" for imports. This will also aid in the development of our own big men (However short they are) in defending against bigger and more athletic players.

[donmar]

I agree with the "No-Height-limit" for imports. This will also aid in the development of our own big men (However short they are) in defending against bigger and more athletic players.

Yeah what's up with the stupid height limits!... the PBA really need to revise its rules and regulations!...

[saints13]

One thing that is good about China e yun mga starplayers nila e mga mukha talagang intsik, meaning dun lang sila kumukuha sa lugar nila mismo ng mga Yao Ming at Yi JianLian.

I hope na the SBP share the same sentiment that I have, ang Pilipinas ay isang basketball crazy country, it's a sport, an entertainment and a passion for us Filipinos. Let's admit it, we don't have the height, pero may mga mangilan-ngilan namang mga bigla na lang lumalaki na parang higante.

Anyweiz, my point is, having a grassroot development program for the youths in all level will help us to mature as a basketball playing nation. Imagine, kung si EJ Feihl na mahilig dating magfootball at takot sa bola ng basketball e naturuan at natutukan ng BASIC Basketball, e siguro hindi na siya ganun kahirap idevelop ngayon.

And where do you find BASIC Basketball training? sa kalsada, sa court ng community? depende, kapag may coach na BASIC ang tinuturo. Siguro dahil basketball crazy country tayo e we love basketball too much that we do it as an entertainment, we tend to see basic and scientific way boring because we imitate the PBA as well as the NBA. Sana dumating ang time na accessible sa common filipino kid ang BASIC basketball training, hindi yung mga varsity at mga nag-eenroll lang sa summer basketball clinic ang natututo.

A kid may learn how to play basketball, may learn the cross-over dribbles and fancy moves, pero does he know the basics of basketball which in return be the source of his weaknesses and later on it will be hard for him to adjust.

One great Filipino example, Alvin Patrimonio. When I was a kid, I hate Alvin Patrimonio's moves, because he doesn't dunk, true, because my favorite back then was Samboy Lim who plays an exciting brand of basketball. Later on, when I was growing up, I favored substance over style, and I realized why Patrimonio won 4 PBA MVP's, not because he is electrifying, that's because he plays BASIC and efficient basketball plus he has discipline.

Substance is what the likes of Alvin Patrimonio are made of, and stlye without substance is what AND1 players are made of. Sa mga bata e mas attractive yun galaw ng mga AND1 players, pero kung may grassroot development for BASIC basketball e mababago ang pananaw ng mga bata towards the sport.

I'm not saying na dapat lahat BASIC maglaro, what I'm pointing out is, every kid should start with the basics of the game, at least maganda pundasyon nila. I'm not also saying na kailangan lahat maging galaw Alvin Patrimonio na bangga bangga tapos tira banda sa board shoot, hehe, its Alvin Patrimonio's efficiency that I admire, not his moves, haha. Mas maigi nga kung Substance + Style diba mala-Vergel Menesses.

Other benefits if we'll train more and more kids in BASIC basketball is, they will adapt the knowledges they learned as soon as they develop their skills and learn immediate and advanced basketball skills. It will also make players versatile in the future. Lastly, iba na rin ang atletang may basic training, may disiplina. :)

Feel free to argue with me, hindi naman ako autoridad, hehe, i'm just saying what's in my mind and my basketball philosophy.

[donmar]

One thing that is good about China e yun mga starplayers nila e mga mukha talagang intsik, meaning dun lang sila kumukuha sa lugar nila mismo ng mga Yao Ming at Yi JianLian.

I hope na the SBP share the same sentiment that I have, ang Pilipinas ay isang basketball crazy country, it's a sport, an entertainment and a passion for us Filipinos. Let's admit it, we don't have the height, pero may mga mangilan-ngilan namang mga bigla na lang lumalaki na parang higante.

Anyweiz, my point is, having a grassroot development program for the youths in all level will help us to mature as a basketball playing nation. Imagine, kung si EJ Feihl na mahilig dating magfootball at takot sa bola ng basketball e naturuan at natutukan ng BASIC Basketball, e siguro hindi na siya ganun kahirap idevelop ngayon.

And where do you find BASIC Basketball training? sa kalsada, sa court ng community? depende, kapag may coach na BASIC ang tinuturo. Siguro dahil basketball crazy country tayo e we love basketball too much that we do it as an entertainment, we tend to see basic and scientific way boring because we imitate the PBA as well as the NBA. Sana dumating ang time na accessible sa common filipino kid ang BASIC basketball training, hindi yung mga varsity at mga nag-eenroll lang sa summer basketball clinic ang natututo.

A kid may learn how to play basketball, may learn the cross-over dribbles and fancy moves, pero does he know the basics of basketball which in return be the source of his weaknesses and later on it will be hard for him to adjust.

One great Filipino example, Alvin Patrimonio. When I was a kid, I hate Alvin Patrimonio's moves, because he doesn't dunk, true, because my favorite back then was Samboy Lim who plays an exciting brand of basketball. Later on, when I was growing up, I favored substance over style, and I realized why Patrimonio won 4 PBA MVP's, not because he is electrifying, that's because he plays BASIC and efficient basketball plus he has discipline.

Substance is what the likes of Alvin Patrimonio are made of, and stlye without substance is what AND1 players are made of. Sa mga bata e mas attractive yun galaw ng mga AND1 players, pero kung may grassroot development for BASIC basketball e mababago ang pananaw ng mga bata towards the sport.

I'm not saying na dapat lahat BASIC maglaro, what I'm pointing out is, every kid should start with the basics of the game, at least maganda pundasyon nila. I'm not also saying na kailangan lahat maging galaw Alvin Patrimonio na bangga bangga tapos tira banda sa board shoot, hehe, its Alvin Patrimonio's efficiency that I admire, not his moves, haha. Mas maigi nga kung Substance + Style diba mala-Vergel Menesses.

Other benefits if we'll train more and more kids in BASIC basketball is, they will adapt the knowledges they learned as soon as they develop their skills and learn immediate and advanced basketball skills. It will also make players versatile in the future. Lastly, iba na rin ang atletang may basic training, may disiplina. :)

Feel free to argue with me, hindi naman ako autoridad, hehe, i'm just saying what's in my mind and my basketball philosophy.

I agree!! and yeah we really do need grassroots development program!

[reamily]

i think they done that but because ordinary fans sees 7 footer imports boring so the pba used wing man but exciting imports also we cant impose two imports our locals will be burden as in the invitationals in the early years it was a success
but in the previous years it become a flop becuse of incompetitive teams that has been sent thats why olympics exposure is important the next good things will follow for us maybe an asian super liga like euroleague in football

[saints13]

i think they done that but because ordinary fans sees 7 footer imports boring so the pba used wing man but exciting imports also we cant impose two imports our locals will be burden as in the invitationals in the early years it was a success
but in the previous years it become a flop becuse of incompetitive teams that has been sent thats why olympics exposure is important the next good things will follow for us maybe an asian super liga like euroleague in football

You're right dude! Apir! :)

PBA is a commercial league, it's an entertainment oriented basketball and the fact is it's "business".. (Pera Business Atbp.)

Pitting a 7 ft. import is a bore, unless they move like Pau Gasol or Yi JianLian, fans would want the imports who play like the trashtalking Billy Ray Bates and Mr. 100% Norman Black ever since, they want dominant big men like Art Long and sweet shooting like Lamont Strothers, electrifying slam dunkers like Tony Harris as well all-around and as efficient as Mr.100% the 2nd, Sean Chambers.

I guess, for a change, for a social experiment, why don't we allow the less-productive teams like Sta. Lucia and Welcoat who has ceiling but lacks something to acquire 7-foot imports. :)

A Reinforced Conference with 7 foot imports would be cool, as long as it will run for a short period of time, having too much games with these guys looks boring. Let's just see.

[vladski]

Alexander Wolff has covered basketball for Sports Illustrated for nearly 20 years and is the author of Big Game, Small World: A Basketball Adventure, a book about the globalization of the game. Periodically over the next few months, he'll answer your questions not only about how international players are influencing the NBA, but also how basketball itself is evolving around the world.


A question answered by Alexander Wolff from NBA.COM

Q: Do you think the NBA will eventually set its sights on players from other Asian nations? Thus far, the selections have all been from China and have tended to be at the center position. But if you take a look at the Asian games, are there many quality players from different countries in the other positions?


AW: Eventually, absolutely. Big men tend to lead the way from any region, though, because G.M.s are willing to gamble on anyone with extraordinary size or potential -- and China happens to have produced three huge guys with NBA bodies.

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.

[demonyito]

AW: Eventually, absolutely. Big men tend to lead the way from any region, though, because G.M.s are willing to gamble on anyone with extraordinary size or potential -- and China happens to have produced three huge guys with NBA bodies.

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.




sure:)

[saints13]

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.[/COLOR]

I agree, Basketball is one of the manifestation that American influence is deeply rooted in our culture. :)
I remember when the IR Iran NT went here in Manila, the coach was asked what can he say about the Philippine brand of basketball. He said that the PBA was very much like the NBA, alley-oop dunks, slam dunks, crossover moves and big men making 3pts wherein he refers to Yancy De Ocampo.
If we'll make it big in the international competition, for sure, talented non-big-men of our RP NT will have a ticket to the NBA dream. :)

[rensquared]

Well the clubs from Europe need to be Euroleague or at least ULEB Cup clubs and not like the last time when the PBA invited a 3rd Division Serbian Under 18 basketball club.



I still believe that there should always be a conference with the PBA clubs having an import BUT they (PBA Board of Directors) MUST remove the import height limit. As if Asi and other PBA centres cannot handle a 7feet giant or a muscular 6´10 power forward. OF COURSE they can.

In summary, I think there should be 3 conferences: (1.) All Filipino Cup (2.) Import reinforced conference (3.) Invitational conference inviting clubs not only from Asia and Europe but also from Oceania and the Middle East. Of course imports would be allowed in the invitational conference.


I totally agree in all the points you stressed here bro.

[VII]

Alexander Wolff has covered basketball for Sports Illustrated for nearly 20 years and is the author of Big Game, Small World: A Basketball Adventure, a book about the globalization of the game. Periodically over the next few months, he'll answer your questions not only about how international players are influencing the NBA, but also how basketball itself is evolving around the world.


A question answered by Alexander Wolff from NBA.COM

Q: Do you think the NBA will eventually set its sights on players from other Asian nations? Thus far, the selections have all been from China and have tended to be at the center position. But if you take a look at the Asian games, are there many quality players from different countries in the other positions?


AW: Eventually, absolutely. Big men tend to lead the way from any region, though, because G.M.s are willing to gamble on anyone with extraordinary size or potential -- and China happens to have produced three huge guys with NBA bodies.

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.



that said a lot about the PBA...

sooooo if other nationality still ask whats the different about FIBA rules and PBA Rules...refer them to this thread...

although there is the usual trapping of sticking with FIBA rules...
we suck at it when we show up in international games...
BUT!! there is no rules that says we cant play our brand of play in international rules...
so i guess hes right...were unique among other nations...

oh and by the way..this is a good find vladski!!! good job!!!

[donmar]

Alexander Wolff has covered basketball for Sports Illustrated for nearly 20 years and is the author of Big Game, Small World: A Basketball Adventure, a book about the globalization of the game. Periodically over the next few months, he'll answer your questions not only about how international players are influencing the NBA, but also how basketball itself is evolving around the world.


A question answered by Alexander Wolff from NBA.COM

Q: Do you think the NBA will eventually set its sights on players from other Asian nations? Thus far, the selections have all been from China and have tended to be at the center position. But if you take a look at the Asian games, are there many quality players from different countries in the other positions?


AW: Eventually, absolutely. Big men tend to lead the way from any region, though, because G.M.s are willing to gamble on anyone with extraordinary size or potential -- and China happens to have produced three huge guys with NBA bodies.

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.




I've read that book and its pretty interesting!... I like his interview with Jawo!

[jramoyo]

ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw which is the reason why just like USA... we suck internationally... currently at least...

[donmar]

which is the reason why just like USA... we suck internationally... currently at least...

hehehehe!!! yup! you're right! :D

[VII]

I've read that book and its pretty interesting!... I like his interview with Jawo!

hey donmar...do you have a way to insert that interview with jawo in here??
or even type it in if you got plenty of time? :)

thanks in advance bro

[donmar]

hey donmar...do you have a way to insert that interview with jawo in here??
or even type it in if you got plenty of time? :)

thanks in advance bro


I don't have the book... I borrowed it from the library... but don't worry I'll post that interview here! :)

[saints13]

well, the PBA is adjusting to the FIBA environment already. :)

business + national interest = the new PBA :)

[ctongco]

well, the PBA is adjusting to the FIBA environment already. :)

business + national interest = the new PBA :)

I thinks this "National Interest + Business" thing will help Philippine Basketball in general.

[ctongco]

Have the Grass-roots program by the BAP-SBP started?

[ctongco]

There have lot's of news about forming a Youth National Team for Basketball. But, so far no team has yet been formed. When will this team be formed? Who will be the coach? What will be their recruitment process? I hope they start developing kids as young as 6 years old. Not only will this improve Filipino Basketball, but may also produce the first Filipino NBA Player. I've also read reports that Commissioner Eala is trying to find more tall Fil-Foreigners. This is good, but it would even be better if they increase their scouting within the Philippines. With a more organized NSA in BAP-SBP I think it will not be long before we see a Youth National Team in basketball competing in the international arena.

[bolabasket]

There have lot's of news about forming a Youth National Team for Basketball. But, so far no team has yet been formed. When will this team be formed? Who will be the coach? What will be their recruitment process? I hope they start developing kids as young as 6 years old. Not only will this improve Filipino Basketball, but may also produce the first Filipino NBA Player. I've also read reports that Commissioner Eala is trying to find more tall Fil-Foreigners. This is good, but it would even be better if they increase their scouting within the Philippines. With a more organized NSA in BAP-SBP I think it will not be long before we see a Youth National Team in basketball competing in the international arena.

There shiould be a census of all Filipinos standing 6-3 and above and 25yrs. old and younger.

[thekidd]

Alexander Wolff has covered basketball for Sports Illustrated for nearly 20 years and is the author of Big Game, Small World: A Basketball Adventure, a book about the globalization of the game. Periodically over the next few months, he'll answer your questions not only about how international players are influencing the NBA, but also how basketball itself is evolving around the world.


A question answered by Alexander Wolff from NBA.COM

Q: Do you think the NBA will eventually set its sights on players from other Asian nations? Thus far, the selections have all been from China and have tended to be at the center position. But if you take a look at the Asian games, are there many quality players from different countries in the other positions?


AW: Eventually, absolutely. Big men tend to lead the way from any region, though, because G.M.s are willing to gamble on anyone with extraordinary size or potential -- and China happens to have produced three huge guys with NBA bodies.

The Philippines is surely a likely breeding ground for the next Asian player, particularly if that next player will be the NBA’s first non-big-man from that continent. That’s because Filipinos have an extraordinary passion for and understanding of the American professional game, and because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw.



No Offense meant...

But I think the pulse of the basketball afficionados in our country is getting back in the Olympics...

and Olympic Basketball rule is i think follows the bylaws of FIBA...

I think BAP-SBP as a basketball heads in our country must use its authority to push PBA in amending its bylaws...

I'm glad that Mr. Wolff refered the Philippines as a the breeding ground for the NEXT NBA PLAYER in the region, i quote: "because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw"

But is the NBA/PBA rules is really helping our Players in "FIBA-Rule Oriented" competitions?

it is like letting our players drive a car coming in America (left hand drive) when he goes to a PBA game and then letting him drive a car coming from UK (right hand drive) during an international competition.

PBA Rules is an IMPORTANT FACTOR why our players or the NT consumes alot of time practising and getting used to a FIBA rule oriented tournament.

Imagine if PBA will adopt the FIBA rule... the team can blend much faster... there's no more learning curve and getting out of the old habit (habits acquired while playing in the PBA rule)....

A great example is the USA Team... they fielded the much advertised All NBA Star Team...

All those guys are used to a different type of basketball.... Entertainment type of basketball...

How long have they trained? How many months do they have to get used with the FIBA RUle?

Unlike the european and latin american teams.... Team USA can be still considered raw in playing in FIBA Rules.... They have the best talents... But their talents and skills are molded by NBA rule...

Are they skills effective in a FIBA Rule?

Same with our NT....

I think if PBA is really serious is backing up our basketball program... they also need to look on the long term... AND WHAT IS THEIR GOAL...

is it getting the paid tickets and fielding someday a PBA player in the NBA?

or is it getting the paid tickets and Recapturing the Asian Crown?

Define their goal between these two option....

[Phantim3dx]

There shiould be a census of all Filipinos standing 6-3 and above and 25yrs. old and younger.


hhhm...sounding more and more like the old soviet union athletic foundations. communism anyone?

[donmar]

No Offense meant...

But I think the pulse of the basketball afficionados in our country is getting back in the Olympics...

and Olympic Basketball rule is i think follows the bylaws of FIBA...

I think BAP-SBP as a basketball heads in our country must use its authority to push PBA in amending its bylaws...

I'm glad that Mr. Wolff refered the Philippines as a the breeding ground for the NEXT NBA PLAYER in the region, i quote: "because the Philippine Basketball Association, unique among national leagues around the world, ignores the FIBA rulebook and follows the NBA’s, bylaw for bylaw"

But is the NBA/PBA rules is really helping our Players in "FIBA-Rule Oriented" competitions?

it is like letting our players drive a car coming in America (left hand drive) when he goes to a PBA game and then letting him drive a car coming from UK (right hand drive) during an international competition.

PBA Rules is an IMPORTANT FACTOR why our players or the NT consumes alot of time practising and getting used to a FIBA rule oriented tournament.

Imagine if PBA will adopt the FIBA rule... the team can blend much faster... there's no more learning curve and getting out of the old habit (habits acquired while playing in the PBA rule)....

A great example is the USA Team... they fielded the much advertised All NBA Star Team...

All those guys are used to a different type of basketball.... Entertainment type of basketball...

How long have they trained? How many months do they have to get used with the FIBA RUle?

Unlike the european and latin american teams.... Team USA can be still considered raw in playing in FIBA Rules.... They have the best talents... But their talents and skills are molded by NBA rule...

Are they skills effective in a FIBA Rule?

Same with our NT....

I think if PBA is really serious is backing up our basketball program... they also need to look on the long term... AND WHAT IS THEIR GOAL...

is it getting the paid tickets and fielding someday a PBA player in the NBA?

or is it getting the paid tickets and Recapturing the Asian Crown?

Define their goal between these two option....

That's true... In that book by Alexander Wolff - "Big Game Small World" ... he actually mention the country's international achievement before the PBA and then distinguished the PBA from the other leagues by saying that PBA is very much like the NBA... that PBA constitution is a carbon copy of the NBA... that if someone dunk from the three-point line in the NBA today... somebody will dunk from the three point line in the PBA tomorrow.... that's how he compare Philippine basketball to the NBA...

And he actually mention that the now-defunct Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA) was a unique Filipino league with 23 seconds shot clock rules and a three-point foul conversion.. For once, Filipinos distinguished themselves from American basketball (but there's no MBA anymore!)

[bolabasket]

hhhm...sounding more and more like the old soviet union athletic foundations. communism anyone?

gather all of them and train them....sounds like China...hehe

[bolabasket]

That's true... In that book by Alexander Wolff - "Big Game Small World" ... he actually mention the country's international achievement before the PBA and then distinguished the PBA from the other leagues by saying that PBA is very much like the NBA... that PBA constitution is a carbon copy of the NBA... that if someone dunk from the three-point line in the NBA today... somebody will dunk from the three point line in the PBA tomorrow.... that's how he compare Philippine basketball to the NBA...

And he actually mention that the now-defunct Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA) was a unique Filipino league with 23 seconds shot clock rules and a three-point foul conversion.. For once, Filipinos distinguished themselves from American basketball (but there's no MBA anymore!)
The MBA was indeed Pinoy Ball....but the costs were just too much. I suggest the PBA teams relocate in main cities nationwide.

[jaybz]

The MBA was indeed Pinoy Ball....but the costs were just too much. I suggest the PBA teams relocate in main cities nationwide.

That would mean "transfer of technology"..and it would certainly accustom the players playing in a hostile environment..the only time a PBA team plays against a "home team" is when playing against Ginebra...:D

[donmar]

That would mean "transfer of technology"..and it would certainly accustom the players playing in a hostile environment..the only time a PBA team plays against a "home team" is when playing against Ginebra...:D

Hehehe!!! :D :D ... that's right!

[ctongco]

The MBA was indeed Pinoy Ball....but the costs were just too much. I suggest the PBA teams relocate in main cities nationwide.

I agree. On the fan's perspective it is much easier to cheer for your hometown team than a company name.

What i've noticed with Commissioner Eala is that he seems to follow the NBA more than other commissioners. An example would be the way the PBA Draft takes place. Before the coach or a representative of a team would go up the stage and announce their pick. During Mr. Eala's time he followed the NBA style in which the commissioner announces all the team's picks. Also the hand-check foul rule.

To have the PBA shift from "company" clubs to city clubs would be very difficult. It would take a long time for this to take place. For one, I don't think companies would easily want to change their team name to a town/city. If this should happen then I think more fans would want to watch the PBA. If this happens each team could have its own Grass-roots program for her town/city. Anyway, this is just wishful thinking. I don't think Commissioner Eala has any intention to even think about this.

[saints13]

I agree. On the fan's perspective it is much easier to cheer for your hometown team than a company name.

What i've noticed with Commissioner Eala is that he seems to follow the NBA more than other commissioners. An example would be the way the PBA Draft takes place. Before the coach or a representative of a team would go up the stage and announce their pick. During Mr. Eala's time he followed the NBA style in which the commissioner announces all the team's picks. Also the hand-check foul rule.

To have the PBA shift from "company" clubs to city clubs would be very difficult. It would take a long time for this to take place. For one, I don't think companies would easily want to change their team name to a town/city. If this should happen then I think more fans would want to watch the PBA. If this happens each team could have its own Grass-roots program for her town/city. Anyway, this is just wishful thinking. I don't think Commissioner Eala has any intention to even think about this.

well, wishfully thinking din, somehow it would be a dramatic/drastic change for the Philippine Basketball Association since PBA never took the idea seriously (i don't know if the Board of Governor's considered the idea)at isa pa e masasagasaan nila yun mga Regional Basketball Leagues especially down south. :)
pero malamang, kung magiging city vs. city ang setup ng PBA, you'll see politician-owned teams malamang, and it sucks! (opinion ko lang po ha)
I really think that Barangay Ginebra has the strongest fan base in the PBA, and I agree to what everybody says cause I love watching Ginebra games live because talagang buhay ang Araneta kapag nagsigawan na ang tao ng "Ginebra, Ginebra!", no other team is as charismatic as Ginebra, I do believe that Ginebra was an offspring of the defunct Toyota and back then, Toyota was a crowd-favorite too since they are very competetive and they also have tisoy players, the likes of Jawo, Arnaiz and Fernandez (that statement came from a Crispa player, I forgot who) drew crowds and its rivalry with Crispa gave PBA high ratings. :) eh ngayon kase e medyo conservative na mga players, hehe, dati kase e parang reality TV, di mo alam kung sino magboboksing maya't maya and that's what I admire about Coach Yeng Guiao and Red Bull (even though marami ang ayaw sa kanila) because they're games are unpredictable, di mo alam kung anong action at drama na mangyayari, and that's what fans are aching for aside from quality basketball, a total entertainment package, basketball+boxing, just kidding :) marami rin kase kalaban ang PBA sa primetime kaya normally you wouldn't want to watch a lopsided game or a game with just exchanges of baskets during the 48 mins of gametime + malabo ang reception ng channel 5 (kapag walang cable) unlike sa ibang channels like channel 23 na crystal clear. :) well that's the entertainment aspect of basketball here in our country, about the basketball program, how about players in NT will be dedicated to international basketball and will not participate anymore in the pro leagues? (kaya kaya ng sponsor ng RP NT ang mga salary nila? :) ..just a wishful thinking also)

[ctongco]

It will be difficult if you pull NT members from their clubs and let them play full time for the county. Clubs will not allow this situation to happen. The best thing would be to have a schedule for NT members to practice at least once or twice a week the entire PBA season and pull them from their teams during the last conference of the season for them to have more practice. In any case, I think the PBA should stop imitating the NBA. We should start developing our own basketball identity. Since the RP team is going for fast-paced game I think the PBA should not use the 24-shot clock and instead use a 20-second shot clock. This will speed up the game and make PBA players more accustomed to a very fast-paced game.

[ctongco]

Since school is just beginning here in the Philippines it would be a good idea for BAP-SBP to use the school tournaments like pasarelle to scout for potential Youth National Team members.

[ctongco]

I've read that BAP-SBP intends to give international exposure to some of our younger players in the coming SEA games. Any update on this? If they will send our younger/college players to the SEA games that would be good exposure for them.

[RetiredJordanStopper]

I've read that BAP-SBP intends to give international exposure to some of our younger players in the coming SEA games. Any update on this? If they will send our younger/college players to the SEA games that would be good exposure for them.


Right now, the coaching staff headed by Junel Baculi is in limbo because they don't know who to pick for the SEA Games team because most of the top amateurs today are either preparing for the coming PBA draft like Ryan Reyes, Joe Devance, Ken Bono, JR Quinahan, Marvin Cruz, JC Intal, Sam Eman, Jonas Villanueva & Doug Kramer to name a few... or going back to their schools for the college hoops season like PCU's Jason Castro(if he's still coming back), Jojo Duncil and those Tigers, Aljamal and the Lions etc.

So most probably, the coach will start to form the team after the college season ends on September and after the draft hopefuls have been sorted out. The SEA Games will be on December BTW.

This scenario brings us the back to BAP era of pulling-out the players from their respective teams/schools a few months before the tournament. This is not the norm anymore. SBP should a have a talent-pool for young amateurs for lesser tournaments like the SEA Games and SEABA Championships. The players in the pool will form the core of the team for these kinds of tournament. The players should remain in the pool until such time they move on to the pros and those who left will be replaced by newer, younger talents.

This idea is not new, and this had been implemented previously during the time when Danding Cojuangco was named project director for basketball with his NCC team (Calma, Samboy, Caidic..etc). The project stipulated the formation of the a solid core backstopped by talents in the pool. It allowed a smooth transition of players once the they graduated to the pros. Those waiting in the wings were college stars such as Paras, Codinera, Patrimonio. Well, needless to say, the project was suddenly halted when EDSA Uno happened. BAP, having a lack of foresight brought the country back to the basketball backwaters and it remained there for 2 decades until BAP signed its own death warrant.

I hope the SBP now has a solid, concrete plan for our younger talents and not just on the Senior Level where, let's face it, the PBA is taking the initiative..... and don't forget the women's NT too...and the wheelchair team also.

[ctongco]

So they would have at the least a full month to practice. I just hope they will be well prepared for the SEA games.

[protossdomain]

I hope they include a Sports Pyschology program on the Nationals for mental toughness purposes. :cool:

[ctongco]

I think it would be good if the team bound for the SEA games could play/practice with PBA teams.

[protossdomain]

I think it would be good if the team bound for the SEA games could play/practice with PBA teams.

Yeah like, it could be so much interesting. :D

[ctongco]

Yeah like, it could be so much interesting. :D

Not only will it be interesting it would also toughen up our amateurs.

[RetiredJordanStopper]

I hope the SBP now has a solid, concrete plan for our younger talents and not just on the Senior Level where, let's face it, the PBA is taking the initiative..... and don't forget the women's NT too...and the wheelchair team also.

Gaston mentors national women’s team
By Nelson Beltran
Sunday, June 24, 2007

The BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas launched Friday night its program for the women’s national team, naming Fritz Gaston as head coach and setting a decent finish in the SEA Games in December as its initial goal.

SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio said it would be a continuous, organized program with Raymond Celis, Bay Cristobal, Pat Esmundo, Heidi Ong, Emelia Vega, Susan Bambico and Cherrylyn Lubiano to assist Gaston.

“We had a short list of candidates. Eventually, we chose Fritz because we know he has a heart of a champion. We want a winner to run the women’s program,” said Gregorio.

“This is my first time to handle the RP team but not my first time to get involved with the RP team. I was the team captain of the 1977 RP Youth team and later in the year the RP team to the SEA Games. I should have been part of the RP team to the 1978 World Championship but begged off because of a knee injury,” said Gaston.

“Coaching is also nothing new to me, having coached Ateneo to championship in 1988 and worked as assistant of coach Norman Black at Mobiline in the PBA,” Gaston added.

With his vast experience in basketball, Gaston sees no difficulty organizing a basketball team.

What he can’t promise is the finish he can produce for the team in the SEA Games in Thailand this December.

“Give me a 6-foot-5 player and I can promise a top four finish in Asia, not just in Southeast Asia. But the Koreans and the Chinese have 6-3, 6-5 players and we only have 5-6, 5-7. It’s really tough,” said Gaston.

To boost the women’s squad for the coming SEAG, Gregorio is looking to acquire the services of Fil-Am twins – Angel and Jessica Roque — now playing for NCAA Division I school Cleveland State.

“I’ve talked to the twins and they said they’ll be happy to play for the country. They said their father Ric who’s from Lingayen is also excited,” said Gregorio.

Gaston said he’s also contacted US-based retired PBA player Etok Lobo to help scout potential Fil-Ams for the RP team.

“What’s nice is that many individuals want to help. I’ve talked to coach Tim Cone and he said he’ll get in touch with Sean Chambers also for possible help. Chambers has been coaching a women’s team in the US for years now,” Gaston said.

“But we’re not getting just Fil-Ams. We’ll also strengthen our program at home,” Gaston added.

[ctongco]

Gaston mentors national women’s team
By Nelson Beltran
Sunday, June 24, 2007

The BAP-Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas launched Friday night its program for the women’s national team, naming Fritz Gaston as head coach and setting a decent finish in the SEA Games in December as its initial goal.

SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio said it would be a continuous, organized program with Raymond Celis, Bay Cristobal, Pat Esmundo, Heidi Ong, Emelia Vega, Susan Bambico and Cherrylyn Lubiano to assist Gaston.

“We had a short list of candidates. Eventually, we chose Fritz because we know he has a heart of a champion. We want a winner to run the women’s program,” said Gregorio.

“This is my first time to handle the RP team but not my first time to get involved with the RP team. I was the team captain of the 1977 RP Youth team and later in the year the RP team to the SEA Games. I should have been part of the RP team to the 1978 World Championship but begged off because of a knee injury,” said Gaston.

“Coaching is also nothing new to me, having coached Ateneo to championship in 1988 and worked as assistant of coach Norman Black at Mobiline in the PBA,” Gaston added.

With his vast experience in basketball, Gaston sees no difficulty organizing a basketball team.

What he can’t promise is the finish he can produce for the team in the SEA Games in Thailand this December.

“Give me a 6-foot-5 player and I can promise a top four finish in Asia, not just in Southeast Asia. But the Koreans and the Chinese have 6-3, 6-5 players and we only have 5-6, 5-7. It’s really tough,” said Gaston.

To boost the women’s squad for the coming SEAG, Gregorio is looking to acquire the services of Fil-Am twins – Angel and Jessica Roque — now playing for NCAA Division I school Cleveland State.

“I’ve talked to the twins and they said they’ll be happy to play for the country. They said their father Ric who’s from Lingayen is also excited,” said Gregorio.

Gaston said he’s also contacted US-based retired PBA player Etok Lobo to help scout potential Fil-Ams for the RP team.

“What’s nice is that many individuals want to help. I’ve talked to coach Tim Cone and he said he’ll get in touch with Sean Chambers also for possible help. Chambers has been coaching a women’s team in the US for years now,” Gaston said.

“But we’re not getting just Fil-Ams. We’ll also strengthen our program at home,” Gaston added.


It's good that we are not only focusing on our Men's Senior National Team but also with our Women's National Team.

[saints13]

It's good that we are not only focusing on our Men's Senior National Team but also with our Women's National Team.

that's a good development also :)

our Women NT and Junior NT are being left behind by the hype created by the SMC-RP team. :) hopefully, a sponsor will handle the other NT's.

[ctongco]

that's a good development also :)

our Women NT and Junior NT are being left behind by the hype created by the SMC-RP team. :) hopefully, a sponsor will handle the other NT's.


Is the sponsorship of Nike and SMC only limited to the Men's Senior National Team? I hope they do sponsor our Women's National Team and our Jr./Youth National Teams.

[princejunar]

hopefully they will acquire the services of Phil-Am Roque twins. This is a good sign, not only concentrating on mens team. Im very sure we will get the gold in SEA games.:)

[saints13]

Is the sponsorship of Nike and SMC only limited to the Men's Senior National Team? I hope they do sponsor our Women's National Team and our Jr./Youth National Teams.

I do believe that SMC is commited only to the Senior's National Team.
the SEA GAMES bound team is handled by Harbour Center.
with the Women's and Jr. Teams, I don't know who's in charge, hopefully another big company so that the program will not run out with finances. :)

[pachador]

dapat the school leagues like UAAP and NCAA should move the basketball tournaments to the 2nd semester after december so that college stars can join the practices of the SEAG team.

[bolabasket]

dapat the school leagues like UAAP and NCAA should move the basketball tournaments to the 2nd semester after december so that college stars can join the practices of the SEAG team.

Exactly....

[ctongco]

Another option would be forming the team for the SEA games during summer (March-April). During this time college players can practice for the Youth National Team. When the college leagues start, they could still practice once or twice a week until the season is over. By the time the season is over they will have a month of practice before the SEA games begin.

[ctongco]

With the PBA planning to make it's own venue for the PBA games, I think they should also include an exclusive training facility for our National Team.

[ctongco]

From http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/sports/view_article.php?article_id=73089


SBP mulls regional training centers

By Jasmine W. Payo
Inquirer
Last updated 02:00am (Mla time) 06/25/2007

The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas turns its attention to Visayas and Mindanao as the national program for the men, women and youth teams begins to roll out this month.

“A plan is in place to put up the first ever training center in the Visayas and Mindanao for potential men and women athletes,” BAP-SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio said Sunday.

“We’re introducing a national program for the age groups for the men and women basketball teams. We’re identifying regional heads who will spearhead the development of the youth teams in the Visayas and Mindanao.”

And this early, among the early projects eyed for the youth program is 19-year-old Gregory Fuentes-Slaughter, a 6-foot-11 Fil-American rookie from the University of the Visayas.

“He’s young and will train under Mon Fernandez for the youth team; he’s too young for the SEA [Southeast Asian] Games,” said national coach Junel Baculi.

Fritz Gaston, the head coach of Ateneo’s UAAP championship run in 1988, will be Baculi’s counterpart in the SEAG women’s competition.

Gregorio said Fernandez, the four-time PBA Most Valuable Player now based in Cebu, will be among the key personalities in the development of the national program in the southern region.

[protossdomain]

With the PBA planning to make it's own venue for the PBA games, I think they should also include an exclusive training facility for our National Team.

A training facility that includes a Sports Psychology Program (SPP). Man, we badly need this!

[ctongco]

A training facility that includes a Sports Psychology Program (SPP). Man, we badly need this!

Good diet should be included when developing young players.

[kerouac82]

Good diet should be included when developing young players.

High-altitude training would do the players in the long run too. I suggest Tagaytay or Baguio.

[bolabasket]

A training facility that includes a Sports Psychology Program (SPP). Man, we badly need this!
Psychology also includes playing the game while bikini-clad girls watch from the sidelines. This is a test of the players' concentration on the game. hehehe:D :D

[JET007]

High-altitude training would do the players in the long run too. I suggest Tagaytay or Baguio.
Oo nga we shoud make use of our own resources also...

[TauNgaVa]

A training facility that includes a Sports Psychology Program (SPP). Man, we badly need this!

and the head facilitator is Yeng Guiao :D

[flip_ya_face01]

and the head facilitator is Yeng Guiao :D

Good Idea!

But sorry dude i have to disagree. We can get better guys than Coach Yeng, not to disrespect him but if we really want to train our guys physical and mentally, and since someone mentioned about high-altitude training, we can get the field officers(or whatever you call them) from PMA in Baguio.

Its because the military training in PMA is tougher than the usual basketball trainings. And I believe this can give us a huge advantage physically and mentally. And in this way, we don't need any training facilities, just send the guys to PMA and let the soldiers torture them. :D

Just my suggestion Ok?

[TauNgaVa]

Good Idea!

But sorry dude i have to disagree. We can get better guys than Coach Yeng, not to disrespect him but if we really want to train our guys physical and mentally, and since someone mentioned about high-altitude training, we can get the field officers(or whatever you call them) from PMA in Baguio.

Its because the military training in PMA is tougher than the usual basketball trainings. And I believe this can give us a huge advantage physically and mentally. And in this way, we don't need any training facilities, just send the guys to PMA and let the soldiers torture them. :D

Just my suggestion Ok?

(sori bout my englishhhh)
PBA superstars will undergo PMA training?? :D sounds good
I can't imagine penisi doing the mud training :D

[Phantim3dx]

the physiology thing is really a great thing.

it's sad about the whole diet/nutrition thing. i know in the end it comes down to money and finances, but hell my alum gym room for the athletes had a trainer for every major weight station. and there was a juice/protein bar near the door that athletes had to go to get their protein or whatever was needed of them to take.

i know because ive seent he facility before not to mention one of my friends was a tennis player for my school who is now an assistant coach of my alum uni.

definitely a sports/nutrition program as suggested before would be great

[DiegoClang]

[QUOTE=TauNgaVa](sori bout my englishhhh)
dre, hindi mo na kailangang magsori every time you post....nakakairita lang:D .....basta may sense yung post mo walang pakialam yung iba sa grammar mo. alam ko mga pinoy conscious sa english:) ,pero internet lang to pre...di namin alam kung sino ka.

trans: just post sensibly:)

[Burndvinyard]

Dribbling feat lands Filipino in Guinness


By Jasmine W. Payo
Inquirer
Last updated 04:03am (Mla time) 06/29/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- Erwin Evangelista, at 5 feet 4, knew he would get nowhere near a basketball career.

So the 22-year-old finds it amusing that he is now ranked among the world’s basketball best after pulling off an extraordinary feat that required more than just height and brawn.

Evangelista endured 45 hours and 22 minutes of dribbling a basketball during a nationwide contest and recently landed in the Guinness World Records.

“I never thought I could win,” Evangelista said in Filipino. “There were varsity players and I think the other participants had the advantage. Maybe I just had better stamina.”

Evangelista eclipsed the previous world record of 26 hours and 40 minutes set by African-American Joseph Odhiambo by nearly 20 hours during the Guinness Dribbling Challenge held Oct. 28-30 last year at the Pasay City Sports Complex.

Guinness -- the internationally recognized chronicler of record-breaking achievements -- appraised the feat in its London office after the Philippines submitted the required documentation.

Six months later, Guinness honored Evangelista with a certificate citing him as the new record holder for the longest dribbling period.

Evangelista confessed, however, that securing a spot in the world basketball annals was hardly his motivation.

As a working student, he had a more pragmatic purpose in the challenge that pitted over 100 young Filipinos from Manila, Cebu, Dagupan and Davao.

“My only goal was to get the scholarship (prize),” said Evangelista, who used to flip burgers in a fast-food joint in between his criminology studies in a computer school. “So even if I just finished fifth, I thought it would be okay.”

Evangelista’s father, Romy, also reminded him during the contest that the P500,000 cash prize would help fix their home in Libis, Quezon City that had only a tarpaulin for a roof since a fire razed their neighborhood three years ago.

“I came to watch him when there were just 10 of them,” said Romy, a 53-year-old electrician. “It was a Monday and I didn’t go to work. I gave him moral support and reminded him about our house so that he’d be motivated to win.”

Unlike the previous record holder who tapped the help of nutritionists and other sport experts, Evangelista came in with no preparation.

“Tambay lang talaga ako sa (I’m just a bum in the) basketball court and we were only invited to join (by contest scouts),” he said

As a strategy, Evangelista opted not to take the allowed five-minute break per hour. He dribbled for eight straight hours starting Saturday afternoon, then took an accumulated 40-minute rest during the first day of competition.

“But I still didn’t get to sleep,” he said. “I just rested and stretched. The next day, I only rested for 20 minutes or only if I have to go to the bathroom.”

When 55 contestants reached the 26-hour mark, some of Evangelista’s friends felt satisfied in beating the world record.

“They took a break and never came back,” said Evangelista, who plays as a point guard in barangay (village) leagues. “I was also tired, but I wanted to continue.”

When the medical team advised him to stop since he looked pale, Evangelista insisted he only felt a little fatigued.

And even as the lone contestant left standing, Evangelista refused to stop and dribbled for 30 minutes more. “I was targeting 48 hours,” he noted. “I knew I can still do it.”

As the sure winner of the event, the medical team though persuaded him to finally stop. Proving that he’s still in fine form, Evangelista only asked for a drink after the contest.

Evangelista had since then built a new home for his parents and four siblings. He had also shifted to a computer engineering course in a better school.

Still, Evangelista couldn’t get over the fact that he had made a career out of basketball after all.

[ctongco]

I do agree that military training will give great physical conditioning, but it is different from the conditioning needed specifically for basketball.

[saints13]

I do agree that military training will give great physical conditioning, but it is different from the conditioning needed specifically for basketball.

its a good idea. :) but won't work with millionaires like PBA players. :)

[JET007]

its a good idea. :) but won't work with millionaires like PBA players. :)
totoo nga yan...they should humble themselves a little :mad:

[saints13]

humble naman siguro yun mga ibang PBA players.. ang problema lang e magiging mahirap for them to adjust to those stuffs..better siguro yun military training sa mga RP NT Juniors, para kapag tapos na sila sa paghihirap e panahon na nila to be millionaires in the pros, just kidding. :) btw, I coined the term millionaires from the Malaysian FIBA Official who came here when he was asked about the all-pro RP NT, he called them the millionaires of Philippine basketball. hehehe. parang ang ibig nya sabihin e mga señorito ang laman ng NT natin, compared to other countries. :D

[ctongco]

humble naman siguro yun mga ibang PBA players.. ang problema lang e magiging mahirap for them to adjust to those stuffs..better siguro yun military training sa mga RP NT Juniors, para kapag tapos na sila sa paghihirap e panahon na nila to be millionaires in the pros, just kidding. :) btw, I coined the term millionaires from the Malaysian FIBA Official who came here when he was asked about the all-pro RP NT, he called them the millionaires of Philippine basketball. hehehe. parang ang ibig nya sabihin e mga señorito ang laman ng NT natin, compared to other countries. :D


It's not the humility of PBA players that will concern us. It will be the fact that, if we do send them to military training, they will not get the conditioning needed for basketball. Yes, the military training is tough and makes weak guys tough and tough guys tougher, but that is designed for milatry purposes and not for athletic competition, specifically basketball.


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[flip_ya_face01]

It's not the humility of PBA players that will concern us. It will be the fact that, if we do send them to military training, they will not get the conditioning needed for basketball. Yes, the military training is tough and makes weak guys tough and tough guys tougher, but that is designed for milatry purposes and not for athletic competition, specifically basketball.




You got me there dude.Maybe they don't really need those kind of training.
I remember my coach in High School who never allowed me to lift weights coz' according to him i'm gonna mess up my shooting touch(which is the only thing i've got).

OK, i have another crazy suggestion:
How about football training(plyometrics and footwork atleast)? I mean looking at Steve Nash, he's not that tall but his footwork is really good because of his football skills. I think some European countries have already included this kind of training to their program.

For a short vid:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uq_-Qjtebc

[demonyito]

i think a one month camp in Sulu or Basilan will be toughest of them all.

[pinoy pac fan]

Plyometics will develop a more explosive first step, develop higher 2nd and 3rd jumps, and become quicker than before.

Cross train them with soccer. Let them do their "suicide runs" and "planting rice" on a football pitch. :D

[saints13]

i think a one month camp in Sulu or Basilan will be toughest of them all.

how about a camp in Istanbul with Ylmaz Bektaz? :D

[Phantim3dx]

they dont do suicide runs in high school or college level there in the phil? heck i remembered in middle school we were timed in suicide runs in the court. didnt make a time, do it again. fukc that was horrible

[saints13]

they dont do suicide runs in high school or college level there in the phil? heck i remembered in middle school we were timed in suicide runs in the court. didnt make a time, do it again. fukc that was horrible

yes we do suicide runs :D as far as I'm concerned, it is also done in community-based teams and interbarangay teams, those schools who don't do planting rice and suicide runs are the ones who are not serious about their basketball program, it's a basic training, it sucks if a team doesnt do it.

[pinoy pac fan]

its called "planting rice" here. You touch the baselines with your palms, end to end.

Those pampered millionaires wouldnt want to do stuff like that? Its probably stated on their contracts. :D

They really need to improve on their team quickness. people here say quickness is one of our team's best assets, but after watching the S.Korea training pool (see on the videos thread) you gotta admit were in some trouble if we dont play better soon. Those Korean guys move like a videotape run fast-forward. No BS.

[saints13]

its called "planting rice" here. You touch the baselines with your palms, end to end.

Those pampered millionaires wouldnt want to do stuff like that? Its probably stated on their contracts. :D

They really need to improve on their team quickness. people here say quickness is one of our team's best assets, but after watching the S.Korea training pool (see the on the videos thread) you gotta admit were in some trouble if we dont play better soon. Those Korean guys move like a videotape run fast-forward. No BS.

PBA millionaires will do those planting rice stuffs, I've seen them do it, but they did it slowly :D lolz.. seriously, I think its part of their training regimen, it sucks when they dont do planting rice, I wonder where will they get their agility. :D

[pinoy pac fan]

They get their agility by doing "BOINKING THE SLUTTY FAN" exercise. :D

[Dinamita]

2002 ASIAN GAMES

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TfL7_V8pxTI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7pc2pLKpPW4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CglgGJYDpcI

[bolabasket]

PBA millionaires will do those planting rice stuffs, I've seen them do it, but they did it slowly :D lolz.. seriously, I think its part of their training regimen, it sucks when they dont do planting rice, I wonder where will they get their agility. :D
after the planting, then the harvesting, then the milling, sacking, loading, etc.... then they eat noodles and steaks!!!! hehehe:D :D :D

[ctongco]

I don't think there's any reason why PBA players should not be doing those basketball drills. It's their job as professional basketball players to improve their basketball skills. If they do not perform those basketball drills on a constant basis, I don't think they could maintain their skill and competitive level.

[ctongco]

Since there is a plan to hire Jorkovic as our National Team consultant, I think it is a good idea to have him here with us long-term. He could help us establish our Youth Programs and help us build a strong basketball program.

[ricodgame]

if the sbp is really serious abt rp u21 nd u19 we should create one after the ncaa and uaap tournament.. even look for young kids(i'm only 21 tho) from mindanao nd visayas.. and overseas...

or we should try some inter brgy. (coordinate w/ evry mayor of the town)

1st step : inter barangay
2nd : inter city
3rd : inter region

age limit:
13 below
15 below
19 below
21 below


13 year old players can play in under 21 if they can...

varsity players can play too..

but make it sure that they are really playing for their respective brgys, city and regions...

after inter barangay, for them to form their inter-city team they can have the all star of the said city not only the champion of the inter-brgy.. after that city vs city.. then region vs region


thats grassroots for you


sound ambitious but it can be done..

[ctongco]

if the sbp is really serious abt rp u21 nd u19 we should create one after the ncaa and uaap tournament.. even look for young kids(i'm only 21 tho) from mindanao nd visayas.. and overseas...

or we should try some inter brgy. (coordinate w/ evry mayor of the town)

1st step : inter barangay
2nd : inter city
3rd : inter region

age limit:
13 below
15 below
19 below
21 below


13 year old players can play in under 21 if they can...

varsity players can play too..

but make it sure that they are really playing for their respective brgys, city and regions...

after inter barangay, for them to form their inter-city team they can have the all star of the said city not only the champion of the inter-brgy.. after that city vs city.. then region vs region


thats grassroots for you


sound ambitious but it can be done..


Another good idea would be to use schools. Schools compete in age brackets, 6-below, 8-below, 10-below, 12-below, 14-below, 16-below, 18-below, 19-below, etc. It would be ideal to start at school since most parents would feel more secure if their kids played with their school.

[JET007]

if the sbp is really serious abt rp u21 nd u19 we should create one after the ncaa and uaap tournament.. even look for young kids(i'm only 21 tho) from mindanao nd visayas.. and overseas...

or we should try some inter brgy. (coordinate w/ evry mayor of the town)

1st step : inter barangay
2nd : inter city
3rd : inter region

age limit:
13 below
15 below
19 below
21 below


13 year old players can play in under 21 if they can...

varsity players can play too..

but make it sure that they are really playing for their respective brgys, city and regions...

after inter barangay, for them to form their inter-city team they can have the all star of the said city not only the champion of the inter-brgy.. after that city vs city.. then region vs region


thats grassroots for you


sound ambitious but it can be done..
good idea...i think u should send this to sbp email...:)

[aklanarcher]

I think interbarangay and age-group tournaments are staples in the Philippines although they are not recognized by the SBP and other basketball bodies. Most players in the interbarangay I played in are 5'6" to 5'9". I even guarded a 5'4" center even though I am 6'2".

[ctongco]

This could be a good pattern for our Youth Development Program/Grass-roots Program.

Teach kids ages 5-6 years old basic basketball. Teach them basic ball handling, shooting, etc. Let these kids play for their respective schools in an under-6 category.

When these kids reach 7-10 years old, they should then start learning organized basketball. They should learn how to listen to a coach, play as a team, etc. They should also continue with basic ball handling, shooting, etc. This way, basic basketball skills will become second-nature to them. Again, these kids will play for their respective schools in an under-10 category.

At the age of 11-12 they should still continue with their basic basketball training and start with intermediate basketball training. They should do scrimmages against older and more advanced players. This way they learn to play and compete against more experienced and better players. These kids play for their respective schools in an under-12 category.

When these kids reach the age of 13-16 they will do practices against younger players (to help the younger players learn from the older players) and older players. They will still do basic basketball training and intermediate basketball training. At this age they should also be exposed to international competition. The under-16 national team will be formed and will compete against international opponents (be it at their age level or slightly higher age level). They will also play for their respective schools in an under-16 category.

At the age of 17 they will enter college and develop their skills further. National Teams will be formed for U-18, U-19, U-20, U-21 and U-24. These teams will compete internationally.

Lastly, they will join the professional leagues and our national team.

[JET007]

This could be a good pattern for our Youth Development Program/Grass-roots Program.

Teach kids ages 5-6 years old basic basketball. Teach them basic ball handling, shooting, etc. Let these kids play for their respective schools in an under-6 category.

When these kids reach 7-10 years old, they should then start learning organized basketball. They should learn how to listen to a coach, play as a team, etc. They should also continue with basic ball handling, shooting, etc. This way, basic basketball skills will become second-nature to them. Again, these kids will play for their respective schools in an under-10 category.

At the age of 11-12 they should still continue with their basic basketball training and start with intermediate basketball training. They should do scrimmages against older and more advanced players. This way they learn to play and compete against more experienced and better players. These kids play for their respective schools in an under-12 category.

When these kids reach the age of 13-16 they will do practices against younger players (to help the younger players learn from the older players) and older players. They will still do basic basketball training and intermediate basketball training. At this age they should also be exposed to international competition. The under-16 national team will be formed and will compete against international opponents (be it at their age level or slightly higher age level). They will also play for their respective schools in an under-16 category.

At the age of 17 they will enter college and develop their skills further. National Teams will be formed for U-18, U-19, U-20, U-21 and U-24. These teams will compete internationally.

Lastly, they will join the professional leagues and our national team.
we should look for tall, little kids...

[saints13]

I think interbarangay and age-group tournaments are staples in the Philippines although they are not recognized by the SBP and other basketball bodies. Most players in the interbarangay I played in are 5'6" to 5'9". I even guarded a 5'4" center even though I am 6'2".

interbarangay tournaments are really entertaining..sometimes better than the PBA..lolz :)

but the trend here in Manila, you'll see some "hugot" from University Teams or PBL teams playing in different barangays... :)

and about the age group..geez..Filipinos will never learn how to respect the age group especially in a community-based basketball...or in any other sport..there's always an overage..or a whole team is overage..the league may be set as 15 and under..but geez..the players are 18 to 21 years old.. :) hahaha...

its the mentality of the Filipinos of not wanting a long-term goal..gusto nila e at the end of the league e may throphy agad sila..ndi nila narerealize na kung puro bata pinaglalaro nila e di sana balang araw e mga matitibay na yun at may chance na magchampion..very well reflected with our RP team..if ever the RP team will adjust its program to a long term one..then I guess the whole basketball community of the Filipinos will follow the concept :)

translation:
Filipinos in general are poor entrepreneurs..they don't like long term investments..they want immediate gains at the end of the day :)

[protossdomain]

interbarangay tournaments are really entertaining..sometimes better than the PBA..lolz :)

but the trend here in Manila, you'll see some "hugot" from University Teams or PBL teams playing in different barangays... :)

and about the age group..geez..Filipinos will never learn how to respect the age group especially in a community-based basketball...or in any other sport..there's always an overage..or a whole team is overage..the league may be set as 15 and under..but geez..the players are 18 to 21 years old.. :) hahaha...


So true. The most humiliating loss for me when I played an inter-barangay U16 finals and our opponent was like over 25, and all of which seemed like an all-star of construction workers, security guards and tambays where were ravaged by 26 points! :D :D :D

[ctongco]

This will not happen if our leaders/officials assert and implement the rules. Hopefully, that's what the BAP-SBP will do.

[aklanarcher]

interbarangay tournaments are really entertaining..sometimes better than the PBA..lolz :)

but the trend here in Manila, you'll see some "hugot" from University Teams or PBL teams playing in different barangays... :)

and about the age group..geez..Filipinos will never learn how to respect the age group especially in a community-based basketball...or in any other sport..there's always an overage..or a whole team is overage..the league may be set as 15 and under..but geez..the players are 18 to 21 years old.. :) hahaha...

its the mentality of the Filipinos of not wanting a long-term goal..gusto nila e at the end of the league e may throphy agad sila..ndi nila narerealize na kung puro bata pinaglalaro nila e di sana balang araw e mga matitibay na yun at may chance na magchampion..very well reflected with our RP team..if ever the RP team will adjust its program to a long term one..then I guess the whole basketball community of the Filipinos will follow the concept :)

translation:
Filipinos in general are poor entrepreneurs..they don't like long term investments..they want immediate gains at the end of the day :)
I agree. Filipinos in general want shortcuts.

[saints13]

SK in our barangay sucks..big time!! :D
they only know basketball as their project, and yet they can't do things right.
communities are sending teams that are way above the age limit, does, it became a trend already.
only few communities are interested in team-building for the future, only few can realize that there is more to learn in losing.
if only the RP Basketball Program can set an example, about respecting the age limit, building a team for the future, then I guess, the Philippine grassroots level is on the way of being well... :D

[ctongco]

I agree that many Filipinos want instant results, they always fail to see the bigger picture. A good example would be when Team Pilipinas started losing in the FIBA-Champions Cup in Iran. That was part of the learning process of the team and yet many were mocking the team because they lost most of their games. Only a few see the bigger picture.

[bolabasket]

I agree that many Filipinos want instant results, they always fail to see the bigger picture. A good example would be when Team Pilipinas started losing in the FIBA-Champions Cup in Iran. That was part of the learning process of the team and yet many were mocking the team because they lost most of their games. Only a few see the bigger picture.
Agree...weren't we losing by 20+ points back then? Qatar for example beat us by 20 pts and their import wasn't even scoring.

[zuma169]

most of you guys here have really good insights.. i don't have to reiterate it or mention it again.. i just want to add one more thing which i think is very vital...

i think in the amateur/collegiate ranks as well as in the PBA, more game should be played in a week and the regular season should span at the very least six months.. i would suggest that each team should play at least four games a week..

so this means in the collegiate level, combine NCAA and UAAP and add a couple of NCRAA, CUSA, etc.. schools and come up with a system of play for each school.. this would really force our young players to work hard and perform well under any condition.. of course studies would be affected if they have more playing dates but it's up to the schools to devise a plan for this..

In the PBA, just add more playing dates and add more into the format.. let's say face each team 4 times during the regular season, and so on and so forth.. basta the key is to add more playing dates.. of course this is difficult because the PBA is a business entity which involves cost.. but i think they can figure out what to do..

all of this will make these players conditioned and compete at a high level...

just my opinion..

[geo]

most of you guys here have really good insights.. i don't have to reiterate it or mention it again.. i just want to add one more thing which i think is very vital...

i think in the amateur/collegiate ranks as well as in the PBA, more game should be played in a week and the regular season should span at the very least six months.. i would suggest that each team should play at least four games a week..

so this means in the collegiate level, combine NCAA and UAAP and add a couple of NCRAA, CUSA, etc.. schools and come up with a system of play for each school.. this would really force our young players to work hard and perform well under any condition.. of course studies would be affected if they have more playing dates but it's up to the schools to devise a plan for this..

In the PBA, just add more playing dates and add more into the format.. let's say face each team 4 times during the regular season, and so on and so forth.. basta the key is to add more playing dates.. of course this is difficult because the PBA is a business entity which involves cost.. but i think they can figure out what to do..

all of this will make these players conditioned and compete at a high level...

just my opinion..

In my opinion, i think the best way to do it is to copy china's strategy. Pool in together the young and promising players as early as possible, train them and expose them to international brand of play. Look at china's B team, They have a 15 yr old point guard, and 18 yr old power forward and still they beat the philippines a while ago in the 4 nation invitational cup. man that's really awesome.

[jundakki]

In my opinion, i think the best way to do it is to copy china's strategy. Pool in together the young and promising players as early as possible, train them and expose them to international brand of play. Look at china's B team, They have a 15 yr old point guard, and 18 yr old power forward and still they beat the philippines a while ago in the 4 nation invitational cup. man that's really awesome.


Yes, i agree bro, i heard from a PBA analyst that China is having National Highschool League which is participated nationwide . Imagine a league participated by 15 -18 years old players, this is a huge exposure for these kids.

[geo]

Yes, i agree bro, i heard from a PBA analyst that China is having National Highschool League which is participated nationwide . Imagine a league participated by 15 -18 years old players, this is a huge exposure for these kids.

Yeah they have a good system out there in china, sad to say, ours dont have any. We don't have a program for our high school boys.

[jaybz]

Too bad the Filipino kids are really fascinated with NBA basketball...i mean
Americanized basketball...unless the younger generation of filipino ballers will be brainwashed by feeding them with telecast of euroleague or Fiba sanctioned games, i don't see the Philippines in the elite list for a very long time...:D development of players should start maybe during their childhold years maybe around 9yrs old...it must also be mandatory for any player before he could enter the PRO league to play for the national team...

[ctongco]

Too bad the Filipino kids are really fascinated with NBA basketball...i mean
Americanized basketball...unless the younger generation of filipino ballers will be brainwashed by feeding them with telecast of euroleague or Fiba sanctioned games, i don't see the Philippines in the elite list for a very long time...:D development of players should start maybe during their childhold years maybe around 9yrs old...it must also be mandatory for any player before he could enter the PRO league to play for the national team...


I would suggest starting them at around 5-6 years old.

[jaybz]

I would suggest starting them at around 5-6 years old.

that would be fine with me..if this will be started by SBP this year...next year my son would be eligible to join the program...:D

[ctongco]

that would be fine with me..if this will be started by SBP this year...next year my son would be eligible to join the program...:D


Hopefully after FIBA-Asia Championship 2007 BAP-SBP will start focusing their attention on our Youth Program.

[jaybz]

how about allowing promising HS kids to play in the PBA or lets say the PBL to fastrack the maturity of their game...like wat i saw in the euroleague wherein a teenage PG from Spain i forgot his name..i mean he was literally playin' with the big boys...:)

[ctongco]

how about allowing promising HS kids to play in the PBA or lets say the PBL to fastrack the maturity of their game...like wat i saw in the euroleague wherein a teenage PG from Spain i forgot his name..i mean he was literally playin' with the big boys...:)


That would be good. It would be great if our HS kids practice with college players and professionals from the PBA. Another idea would be to have the top 4 colleges/universities nationwide play in a special PBA conference. This may be very unlikely but it should help elevate amateur standards, eventually elevating PBA standards and Philippine Basketball.

[saints13]

That would be good. It would be great if our HS kids practice with college players and professionals from the PBA. Another idea would be to have the top 4 colleges/universities nationwide play in a special PBA conference. This may be very unlikely but it should help elevate amateur standards, eventually elevating PBA standards and Philippine Basketball.

hindi kaya gulpi ang abutin nila sa PBA? :D

translation:
for sure they'll be mugged in the PBA :)

[ctongco]

hindi kaya gulpi ang abutin nila sa PBA? :D

translation:
for sure they'll be mugged in the PBA :)


That's why I suggested that HS players practice with college players and PBA players, not really play in a league against them. As with the college players playing in a PBA conference, they might be bullied around but it should toughen them up.

[saints13]

That's why I suggested that HS players practice with college players and PBA players, not really play in a league against them. As with the college players playing in a PBA conference, they might be bullied around but it should toughen them up.


how bout sending HS and college teams and players to international competitions or basketball camps..I think that sounds better...rather than the PBA.

[ctongco]

how bout sending HS and college teams and players to international competitions or basketball camps..I think that sounds better...rather than the PBA.


That would be a good idea, the problem then will be finding sponsors. If BAP-SBP is really serious then they could bring in good coaches and trainers. This way training can be done within our country. Eventually we will need to have these kids play internationally.

[geo]

how bout sending HS and college teams and players to international competitions or basketball camps..I think that sounds better...rather than the PBA.

You got it right there bro, letting them play in PBA and PBL would only exposed them to the NBA kind of game. While if they are exposed to the international brand of play will ultimately develop them in time to be competitive in international arena. Look at the NBA ALL STAR TEAM composed by Lebron james, anthony, hienrich etc..., they were suckered by Greece:p

[Dinamita]

THE FUTURE OF RP TEAM!

:D :D :D

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/firecracker21_/dillokz4.gif

[geo]

THE FUTURE OF RP TEAM!

:D :D :D

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/firecracker21_/dillokz4.gif
who is danny jomamil?:confused:

[jovani_pineda]

THE FUTURE OF RP TEAM!

:D :D :D

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/firecracker21_/dillokz4.gif


LOL..old school!!!! pepsi mega....where are these guys now?
i think good high school players should have good training in college. put them in there heads that international basketball is more powerful than americanized basketball. or maybe college players should participate international games.

[geo]

LOL..old school!!!! pepsi mega....where are these guys now?
i think good high school players should have good training in college. put them in there heads that international basketball is more powerful than americanized basketball. or maybe college players should participate international games.

Yeah, stick it in their brains how international brand of basketball beat the so called dream team composed of NBA ALL STARS! poor lebron james:D

[protossdomain]

Have Milo Best sponsor and conduct a long term program, preferably install a league from district to district. :)

[JET007]

We should send potential NT players abroad to play (especially Euro league) ...this will expose them to true int'l basketball...not only to entertainment...

[ctongco]

We should send potential NT players abroad to play (especially Euro league) ...this will expose them to true int'l basketball...not only to entertainment...


To have them play there as imports, as somebody here mentioned a while back, would mean they would compete for the import slot against americans, africans, etc. If a filipino could play there as an import then that would greatly boost our basketball program.