RP NT (Final 12)

[saints13]

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This is for theoretical purposes only, we're not trying to be basketball geniuses here. :) Who among the RP NT players deserves to be in the Tokushima Asian Championship :D

who among these players :)

JJ Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Ren Ren Ritualo
James Yap
Don Don Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
KG Canaleta
Kelly Williams
Ranidel de Ocampo
Kerby Raymundo
Danny Seigle
Enrico Villanueva
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

Kindly make your 12. :)

[spreekanick]

Asi Taulava
Jimmy Alapag
Don2x Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Erik Menk
Kerby Raymundo
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Ren2x Ritualo
Danny Seigle
Mick Penissi
JJ Helterbrand or James Yap...

I'm not a genius but this is my final line up.. :)

[ctongco]

Here's mine

Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel de Ocampo
Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Dondon Hontiveros
James Yap
Gabe Norwood
Jimmy Alapag
Jayjay Helterbrand

[demonyito]

i havent seen much of James Yap games. but i saw something special from him, he can shoot and create plays. further training and he will fit into international style easily.
yes, James Yap should be included

[spreekanick]

Asi Taulava
Jimmy Alapag
Don2x Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Erik Menk
Kerby Raymundo
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Ren2x Ritualo
Danny Seigle
Mick Penissi
JJ Helterbrand or James Yap...

I'm not a genius but this is my final line up.. :)

[meloy]

1. ASi TaUNGAVA- for obvious reason siya lang legitimate center natin
2. Mick PENISe- Back up center na pidi PG na tumitira ng 3s
3. Kerby Raymundo- okay sa Hussle,me lamya lang ng kunti.oki din sa rebound
4. DannY Seigle- can do it all (total package)
5. DOn Hontiveros- for 3s and shoots well
6. Jimmy Alapag - FAST and nice range
7. Ren Ritualo- for 3s (nothing else) plus a lot of prayers na hindi sya mintis
8. JJ Helterbrand- Super fast PG (but minus the show off attitude)
9. Mark CAguioa- Nice shooting with variety and at any angle and distance
10. Tony Delacruz- role player plus the height(pidi na)
11. Rudy Hatfield-(wish he will play) work and play hards
12. Rafy Reavis-(wish cud play also) the most athletic sa team plus defense

If the last two cant play

alt 11. Kelly williams- athletic and elevation
alt 12. Eric Menk - With a good health hes a reliable at the post and hes smart.

Gabe norwood is good addition if he had the papers....

[saints13]

Gabe norwood is good addition if he had the papers....

if I'm not mistaken, he already submitted his papers to the B.I. (Byuru op Imigreysyons)

[protossdomain]

This should be the final 12:

Starting Five:
PG - Helterbrand
SG - Caguioa
C - Taulava
SF - D. Seigle
PF - Raymundo

The duo of the "Fast" and the "Furious", plus the power and intensity of Asi, with a scoring machine such as Danny and the mobility of Raymundo.

Next in line:

PG - Alapag
SG - Norwood (If in case he can not make it, there's James Yap.)
C - Pennisi
SF - De Ocampo
PF - Williams

The speed, aggressiveness, and leadership of the "Mighty Mouse", flexibility of Norwood, (or James Yap "The Scorer" ), big man Pennisi who hits those 3s, toughness and shooting ability of Ranidel plus superb athleticism of Kelly.

Firepower

SG - Hontiveros
SG - Ritualo

The best kept secrets.

These players should hands down be IT. No more no less.

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Don't lose until you lose.

[saints13]

badtrip, its hard to pick 12 right now :)
maybe the RP NT management and coaching staff will have a hard time evaluating their final 12 too.. :)

I've got 13 players..can't cut one..from my point of view..its hard to discard a single player from this unit since everyone is expected to have a role.. :)

JJ Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Ren Ren Ritualo
James Yap
Don Don Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Kelly Williams
Ranidel de Ocampo
Kerby Raymundo
Danny Seigle
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

[Dinamita]

Ranidel de Ocampo - Small Forward
Kerby Raymundo - Power Forward
Danny Seigle - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Mick Pennisi - Power Forward / Small Forward
Asi Taulava - Center
Marc Caguioa - Shooting Guard / Point Guard
Jimmy Alapag - Point Guard
Don Don Hontiveros - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Ren Ren Ritualo - Shooting Guard
James Yap - Shooting Guard
Gabe Norwood - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Kelly Williams - Small Forward / Power Forward

From what I saw at Jones Cup... Helterbrand is not very effective...

[viperbravo]

Ranidel de Ocampo - Small Forward
Kerby Raymundo - Power Forward
Danny Seigle - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Mick Pennisi - Power Forward / Small Forward
Asi Taulava - Center
Marc Caguioa - Shooting Guard / Point Guard
Jimmy Alapag - Point Guard
Don Don Hontiveros - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Ren Ren Ritualo - Shooting Guard
James Yap - Shooting Guard
Gabe Norwood - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Kelly Williams - Small Forward / Power Forward

From what I saw at Jones Cup... Helterbrand is not very effective...


From what I saw at Jones Cup... Helterbrand is not very effective

I agree with you! during the game between the RP and Lebanon, Jay Jay handled the ball for so long, he doesn't move the ball to find the open man. I'll go for James Yap in replace for Helterband. During the last minute of the game, helterbrand was replaced by Mark Caguioa (correct me if I'm wrong).

RP team has the chance to Qualify in the Olympic games. If they only follow their game plan, we almost won the game against the Lebanon.

Don Don Hontiveros, missed so many shots. As for Don Don, if he is not lucky enough, then give the ball to the other man in the court! He shot miserably especially the last 3 mins. of the game! this is one reason why we need the service of James Yap, he can deliver those big shots!


Ranidel de Ocampo - Small Forward
Kerby Raymundo - Power Forward
Danny Seigle - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Mick Pennisi - Power Forward / Small Forward
Asi Taulava - Center
Marc Caguioa - Shooting Guard / Point Guard
Jimmy Alapag - Point Guard
Don Don Hontiveros - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Ren Ren Ritualo - Shooting Guard
James Yap - Shooting Guard
Gabe Norwood - Shooting Guard / Small Forward
Kelly Williams - Small Forward / Power Forward

[demonyito]

badtrip, its hard to pick 12 right now :)
maybe the RP NT management and coaching staff will have a hard time evaluating their final 12 too.. :)

I've got 13 players..can't cut one..from my point of view..its hard to discard a single player from this unit since everyone is expected to have a role.. :)

JJ Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Ren Ren Ritualo
James Yap
Don Don Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Kelly Williams
Ranidel de Ocampo
Kerby Raymundo
Danny Seigle
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

after watching that lebanese player made that winning trey, i think we need a guard who can play defend perimeter shooters and can break transition offense..fastbreak plays. that winning shot could have been prevented if there's someone who's instinctive enough to harass the jumping Fahed.

assessing from the present line-up, majority are scorers. we need to add some defensive mind here, another sort of Penissi type defender. i dont know why they did not consider Junty valenzuela..or someone who can do more gutsy defense

[bolabasket]

I think the composition of the RP Team is almost complete with only the last 2 slots still to be filled up. These two slots are the following:

1. replacement for Tony dela Cruz;
2. the 12th man which is still open.

Gabe Norwood is already a shoo-in for dela Cruz. For the last slot, it would be a toss up among three players below:

1. Kelly Williams (SF/PF) - tall and athletic with good all-around game (he still has to show up though)
2. James Yap (SG/SF) - pure scorer with good moves both in the perimeter and around the basket (he still has to improve his defense lessen his turnovers)
3. Nino Canaleta (SF) - athletic with good experience in international game (unless the game is free wheeling with no defense, he is out of the loop)

Rudy Hatfield would have been my 12th Player if not for his marriage.

[onono1]

Guys if we gonna based on jones cup competition the way our national players' perform individually, i think i prefer jayjay helterbrand to be plucked out of the team. Eversince the FIBA asian ballclub tournament in tehran, iran, this year ASEAN qualifying for FIBA ASIA in thailand and now Jones Cup, he's not that productive and effective for the phils squad. Jimmy Alapag's playmaking skills overshadowed him since.

[jason_28c]

dont worry... tsamba lang panalo ng lebanon satin.. overconfidence lang tayo sa 4th quarter habang sila nagpapakamatay manalo.... wlang killer instinct ang national team natin.. kahit sino player natin mananalo tayo sa lebanon...

[rensquared]

JJ Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Ren Ren Ritualo
Don Don Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Erik MEnk
Kelly Williams
Ranidel de Ocampo
Danny Seigle
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

Reserves:
JAmes Yap
KG Canaleta
Kirby Raymundo

[limlioanglix]

Guys if we gonna based on jones cup competition the way our national players' perform individually, i think i prefer jayjay helterbrand to be plucked out of the team. Eversince the FIBA asian ballclub tournament in tehran, iran, this year ASEAN qualifying for FIBA ASIA in thailand and now Jones Cup, he's not that productive and effective for the phils squad. Jimmy Alapag's playmaking skills overshadowed him since.

maybe you'r right bro... but I think its too late to replace Helterbrand by another PG... three weeks na lang ang FIBA, its very hard to adjust if we inserted a new player... let him play in FIBA then tsaka natin pag-aralan kung talagang deserving pa siyang makasama on the following International competition.

[onono1]

Perhaps gabe norwood caught the eyes of basketball scouts, at 6 ft 5 tall he can bring the ball and executes the play like a legitimate point guard, runs fast and leaps high too...Thats why norwood is very deserving to be included in our national basketball squad, "Team Pilipinas"

[Onizuka01]

Heres my own list:

1st Five:

SG/SF/PF - Danny Seigle "Our best kept secret"
PF/C - Mick Pennisi
PG - Jimmy Alapag
PG/SG/SF - Gabe Norwood
PG/SG - Dondon Hontiveros

6Th to 12Th Man:

C - Asi Taulava
SF/PF - Kerby Raymundo
SG - Marc Caguioa
SG - Renren Ritualo "Coach Chot is hiding him"
SG - James Yap
SF/ PF - Kelly Williams
PG - Jayjay Helterbrand
(i think we need 2 legit PG's though jayjay isn't much productive i still got trust on him)

[aklanarcher]

My final 12 are:
JJ Helterbrand PG/SG
Jimmy Alapag PG
Mark Caguioa SG/SF
Ren Ren Ritualo SG
Don Don Hontiveros PG/SG
Gabe Norwood PG/SG/SF
Kerby Raymundo PF/C
Kelly Williams SF/PF
Ranidel de Ocampo SF/PF
Danny Seigle SG/SF/PG
Mick Pennisi PF/C
Asi Taulava C

My Reserves:
James Yap (inexperienced and dominates the ball to much)
KG Canaleta (inexperienced, can't put the ball on the floor well)
Eric Menk (not in game shape yet)

[meloy]

I think its better to revamp the team.... what d yah think?

[bolabasket]

Guess James Yap is in now...for Dondon...hehehe

[warren99]

my line-up:

first we should replace our coaches...

1. MICK PENNISSI (CENTER)
2. DANNY SEIGLE (SMALL FORWARD)
3. MARK CAGUIOA (SHOOTING GUARD)
4. JIMMY ALAPAG (POINT GUARD)
5. REN-REN RITUALO (SHOOTING GUARD)
6. JAMES YAP (SHOOTING GUARD)
7. GABE NORWOOD (SMALL FORWARD/POINT GUARD)
8. ASI TAULAVA (CENTER)
9. DONDON HONTIVEROS (SHOOTING GUARD)
10. JAYJAY HELTRBRAND (POINT GUARD)
11. KELLY WILLIAMS (SMALL FORWARD)
12. KERBY RAYMUNDO (FORWARD)


I THINK THEY SHOULD ADD A TALL FORWARD/BIGMEN- SONNY THOSS

[dgenx]

PG
Alapag
Norwood

SG
Ritualo
Caguiao
Hontiveros
Yap

SF
Siegle
Williams

PF
Reymundo
Ocampo

C
Penissi
Taulava

[saints13]

I'm really sorry for Don Don Hontiveros :( I really didn't like how he play, but right now, he's the weakest link. if ever there's a poll here, who among the RP NT players would you like to be out of the Final 12 roster, I'm pretty sure Don Don will lead the list...next to him will be Eric Menk who seems to be out of his old form. :(

[jundakki]

After 3 games as basis, i want dondon out for james yap

[saints13]

I THINK THEY SHOULD ADD A TALL FORWARD/BIGMEN- SONNY THOSS

I agree to that too...let's just see..but I think the possibility of adding him to the RP NT would be remote since he will be busy for Alaska's championship campaign in the PBA..and somehow..it will be unfair for the players who tried-out early for the team...but the RP NT really need to address the lack of ceiling..or else..tournaments will exhaust Mick Pennisi and Asi Taulava..and if somehow both got injured..who will man the post? :eek: anyway..Danny Seigle is on the way to recovering, let's just hope for the best line-up the RP NT will come up with. God bless us all in this endeavour :D

[Project888]

Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi
Kerby Raymundo/Raniel De Ocampo (still don't know who's better)
Kelly Williams
Danny Siegle
Gabe Norwood
Mark Caguioa
DonDon Hontiveros
James Yap
Jimmy Alapag
Jay Jay Helterbrand
RenRen Ritualo

[JET007]

After 3 games as basis, i want dondon out for james yap
oo nga...

[saints13]

After 3 games as basis, i want dondon out for james yap

hypothetically speaking...what if si James Yap naman ang magkalat? :D

translation: what if James Yap scatter himself all over the court :confused:

[ctongco]

Here's mine

Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel de Ocampo
Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Dondon Hontiveros
James Yap
Gabe Norwood
Jimmy Alapag
Jayjay Helterbrand


Even with recent results and many blaming Dondon, I'm still going with this lineup. :)

[DaveMap2007]

This team lacks an Enforcer and Utility Player

Asi maybe but he is too busy defending the lane and rebounding
and scoring underneath…too precious to sacrifice

Mick yes but when he needs to score outside and when he is far out
no one will help the guys underneath

what we really miss and maybe the lacking part of the team
is the guy that does the sacrifice on the stats and
gives the immeasurable dirty jobs

Mick and Asi is our Center, but there is a big gap between
the 4 and 5………our no.4 guys are Kerby and Ranidel
Which for me is a soft forward and more of a small forward
Any team that is successful has that dirty rugged player
that makes a living in rebound, dirty jobs and solid defence

Check the Chicago Bulls they have Dennis Rodman
at No.4 and Shifting at 5 a times giving break to their White Centers
As the guard do theyre havoc, he will not think twice to give them
hustle plays just to contribute for the teams success
Whats the result 3 championships

Check the Spurs way back They have Tim and David in the past
but there is one guy that helping them a lot who else but the undersized
Malik Rose who usually play that F/C and he doesn’t need to score
all he needs is to do the dirty job and rebounding, giving the 2 guys some
precious minutes of rest and harass the opposite team top inside player
In the past they have Will Perdue also

The Lakers in past has Mark Madsen before going elsewhere
He does the dirty job and when Shaq needs the rest you can count on him
for some minutes.

We do have our own version
The Shell has Benjie Paras's reliever and spotwork at F/C Jolly Escobar
The Old Enforcers Terry Saldana, Sonny Cabatu, Abe King
And Rene"Bong" Hawkins for Alaska. In the past Ginebra has Banjo Calpito
A younger Rey Evangelista for Purefoods, And PBA Journey man Richard Del Rosario

That bridge between Asi and Mick to Ranidel and Kerby
is lacking that Solid Utility Player which can play the 4 or 5 spot
and plays good respectable defense. A back-up role for
the star center and spotworks in the forward slot
Many will not agree but I really want to see a Bruiser included

give these guys a second look

Dennis Espino - Bring back the Old Soldier he may be 33yrs old but the veteran savy he can
contribute will do a lot in international game. He can be a bruiser
if required. He really doesn’t need to score here cause the younger
guys and scoring guards will do. A Utility player for Asi and Mick. He can also serve
as the Starting center for teams that has a small lineup like
Indonesia giving asi and mick rest for those games and reserve energy for the heavier opponents.
And his intimidation and dirty jobs is great just remember what he
did on Japan back in Busan Asiad. He sacrifice himself in gambling
for an ejection for that hard foul, and his perimeter shot is dependable at times
along with a respectable free throw percentage
And he doesn’t back down easily he has a good defensive stand on low
post players. And he will be an example for Asi who is not getting younger to be the utility guy
for the team in the future
Imagine: Ronnie Aguilar 7'0 (If Pinoy)
Gregory Slaughter 7'0 (Train this guys to death)
and Asi Taulava as a 3rd stringer 6'9 Center/Forward maybe his around 36 by that time these guys
qualified for team (just like Alonzo doing for the Heat in the last year Championship)
and teaching Japeth, Sonny and Gian at the 4 spot

Sonny Thoss - Raw and Untested. But for me He is the best young center in our
league today. Those Rebound and Put-backs are important on international game
And he isnt afraid to slam the ball hard. In short he is not soft.
This guy will be our future bruiser in the National team
He should already be considered for the team if not the playing style of
Chot Reyes but heck he can be the Amare of the philippine team on its own
standard. Just Improve his shooting and free throw percentage
(maybe that’s the reason why Chot didn’t choose him)
and he would be perfect for the team if he gets that added arsenal. And he has that solid body
needed in international game (not like Yancy or Samigue which are taller but thinner)

[ricodgame]

Pg - Alapag & Cortez & Miller(time)
Sg - Caguioa & Norwood & Hontiveros
Sf - Siegle & Williams
Pf - Raymundo & De Ocampo
C - Taulava & Pennisi

[aklanarcher]

Pg - Alapag & Cortez & Miller(time)
Sg - Caguioa & Norwood & Hontiveros
Sf - Siegle & Williams
Pf - Raymundo & De Ocampo
C - Taulava & Pennisi
Don't you have room for Ritualo? He is our best 3pt shooter. He racked up 7 3s versus Japan. :)

[macky]

my Final 12 :)

1. Asi Taulava
2. Mick Penissi
3. Eric Menk
4. Kerby Raymundo
5. Danny Seigle
6. Kelly Williams
7. Gabe Norwood
8. Mark Caguiao
9. Ren Ren Ritualo
10. Don Don Hontiveros
11. Jimmy Alapag
12. JJ Helterbrand

my final 12, (dapat sana...)

1. Asi Taulava
2. Mick Penissi
3. Eric Menk
4. Rudy Hatfield
5. Danny Seigle
6. Kelly Williams
7. Gabe Norwood
8. Mark Caguiao
9. Ren Ren Ritualo
10. Don Don Hontiveros
11. Jimmy Alapag
12. Willie Miller

my future Final 12, (4-5 years from now!)

1. Ronnie Aguilar
2. Greg Slaughter
3. Gian Chiu
4. Japeth Aguilar
5. Bobby Parks, jr.
6. Kelly Williams
7. Gabe Norwood
8. Mark Cardona
9. Larry Fonacier
10 James Yap
11. L.A. Tenorio
12. Michael Palarca

[nowitzki_21]

Guess James Yap is in now...for Dondon...hehehe

Sana di sya magkalat gaya ni Dondon

Translation: I HOPE Kris Aquino will be proud of him :D

[aklanarcher]

I'd rather pick Don Don than James Yap. Don Don is out to redeem himself because of the amount of criticisms he got lately. That kind of player would be more intense. James Worthy redeemed himself (Finals MVP versus the Pistions) a year or 2 years after he choked (the lazy crosscourt pass that go intercepted by Gerald Anderson I think) versus the Celtcis. Don Don just gets another chance.

[warren99]

BASED ON THEIR GAME YESTERDAY MY FINAL LINE-UP:

1.GABE NORWOOD
2.MARK CAGUIOA
3.JIMMY ALAPAG
4.DONDON HONTIVEROS
5.JAYJAY HELTERBRAND
6.RENREN RITUALO
7.DANNY SEIGLE
8.KELLY WILLIAMS
9.ASI TAULAVA
10.MICK PENNISI
11.KERBY RAYMUNDO
12.RANIDEL DE OCAMPO/ SONNY THOSS

WE STILL NEED A GOOD REBOUNDER.

Fired-up RP five vents ire on Koreans
By Nelson Beltran
Friday, July 6, 2007

“The Philippines may have the edge. The team is strong, quick and has great shooters. But sometimes, defense outshines a good team,” said Palma.

[ctongco]

I disagree with some people here who want Dondon out. He made silly mistakes that cost us two games, but he is still one of our more complete players. He can shoot the ball well and can take it to the basket, he is also a very good defender. He can help us on the offensive end and he can defend well against the opposing teams PG/SG. I'm not a fan of Dondon, but his game will really help our NT.

[bolabasket]

I'd rather pick Don Don than James Yap. Don Don is out to redeem himself because of the amount of criticisms he got lately. That kind of player would be more intense. James Worthy redeemed himself (Finals MVP versus the Pistions) a year or 2 years after he choked (the lazy crosscourt pass that go intercepted by Gerald Anderson I think) versus the Celtcis. Don Don just gets another chance.

Isn't it Gerald Anderson yong sa PBB Teen?:D

[thekidd]

mine will be:

1. Alapag - pg
2. Norwood - pg (he can create mismatch)
3. Caguiao - sg - first option to score.
4. Ritualo - sg (the teams biggest secret)
5. Hontiveros - (sg-deffender) Make him the ENFORCER of the Team. The last to take the shot, the last to hold the ball. Deffensively I belived Don can man even a much taller faster guy. We know he is a pesky deffender.
6. Yap - sg (great shooting even after a screen or pick.)
7. williams - sf
8. seigle - sf we know what he is in the team
9. raymundo- pf
10. ocampo - pf OUR BIG ENFORCER a big guy with descent shot like Mick.
11. penissi - c
12. taulava - c - Defending our court

I put kelly and seigle in SF because they are tall and fast and can really create mismatches.

First Five:

PG - Norwood - he will be definitely create mismatches specially on offense
SG - Yap - with bigger team mates and fast PG he can move around w/o the ball and find his shot.
SF - Seigle
PF - Raymundo
C - Asi


JJ - must be out of the team, his willingness not to take a shot doesn't help either. he must know how to lead his team. He is the different JJ who used to be 2 years ago.
KG - i don't think he can create mismatches, nor had a good hands outside nor a good defender.
Menk - He's strong but not just a good option to be a Center he's too small for intl tournament.

[saints13]

after watching that lebanese player made that winning trey, i think we need a guard who can play defend perimeter shooters and can break transition offense..fastbreak plays. that winning shot could have been prevented if there's someone who's instinctive enough to harass the jumping Fahed.

assessing from the present line-up, majority are scorers. we need to add some defensive mind here, another sort of Penissi type defender. i dont know why they did not consider Junty valenzuela..or someone who can do more gutsy defense

after watching uncontested transition offenses during the end game of the RP vs Lebanon and Japan game which resulted in a loss and the halftime last shot by Korea in their match against RP NT, I really think that transition defense is a very big problem for the RP NT because offensive-minded players are fielded in during the dying seconds of the games and that's why their left behind by a step when it comes to defending back from a miss..tsk tsk tsk..
we don't need another recruit for the team for that transition defense thing, they should just be cautious about it..they've seen enough I guess.. :D

[flip_ya_face01]

I think that afro guy Canaleta is still raw. Sure he can intimidate everyone during warm-ups, but ONLY during warm-ups.

I'm not satisfied with how that De Ocampo played. If only the H-bomb is available or E.Vil has 3 point shooting then its bye bye for him.

[BURATIN]

for me as of now this is the line up that i want:

G- Alapag, Helterbrand
SG- Caguioa, Norwood, Ritualo
SF- Williams, D. Seigle
PF- Villianueva, Pingris, Thoss
C- Taulava, Pennisi

[Los]

The Team: (I ain't posting everything I know cuz this sh** might get scouted LOL)

- A.Taulava (He is the RP's best Center)

- K.Raymundo (He is proving himself in this tournament, hes got heart)

- M. Pennisi (The White Filipino lol..We need someone like him in international games, 3s...u guys kno what i mean.)

- E. Menk (He doesn't contribute much w/ the offense but with he's shape, he can prolly do the dirty jobs)

- R. De Ocampo (Not really satisfied with him, maybe replace him with someone who can help Asi inside)

- K. Williams (He's like one of our "Hype" guys, someone who can pump up the team)

- D. Seigle (Everyone knows what hes capable of :p lol he's in hiding)

- M. Caguioa (Mr. Go to Guy)

- R. Ritualo (Again, Everyone knows what hes capable of, that's y we barely see him in action in this tournament)

- J. Yap (He's like a sniper lol I dunno...)

- N. Canaleta ("The intimidator" lol..warm up sh**..)

- D. Hontiveros (some say hes bad luck, but we need a leader in this team)

- G. Norwood (I hope wee see this guy in the NBA, all around player, pumps up the team n the crowd)

- J. Helterbrand (He barely shoots but he makes good assists, our hi-flyers need him but if we need a scorer i'd say we should get W. Miller)

- J. Alapag ("It ain't about how big u r, its how big u play". this guy's got it)

- Coach Chot Reyes (Let's not criticize this guy, He's the man, he knows wut to do He was the one who formed this team.)

[ravn21]

Manila Standard Today 7/7/2007

Chot takes blame
By Anthony Suntay


SINGAPORE—The Philippine Basketball team has been making a lot of headlines lately because of its poor showing. Here’s my take on it.

First of all, coach Chot Reyes has made it clear from the beginning that the Jones Cup is still part of their training ground, the main goal of course is winning in the Japan tournament later this month, where a slot for the Olympics is at stake, so let’s give the team a break.

Chot himself is not using this as an excuse though.

“Make no mistake about it, we want to win. But, it’s not our main objective. We are trying different combinations because we are still learning and trying to improve but we do want to win,” Reyes told me over the phone from his Taiwan hotel.

“Everything was smooth after our Serbia trip, but we felt the team needed additions. We took a step back when we added four players [Kelly Williams, James Yap, KG Canaleta and Eric Menk],” he added.

“In the Japan game, I gave Eric some minutes to see him play. I took all these players to Taiwan, why bring them if I don’t use them?” he continued.

He ended by saying, “Getting good shots is the function of the offense. Making them is the players’ responsibility. The fact that we didn’t get good shots at the endgame is my fault.”

Let’s reserve our comments until after the Olympic qualifier. He intimated to me that he heard a lot of people are starting to come down on him in Manila and I feel we are getting ahead of ourselves.

Wasn’t it just recently when the basketball community was very impressed by the plans Reyes presented and wanted to carry out? Now, without realizing that his three-year program was somehow derailed by the infighting by our officials, he is now made to cram to get the desired results.

I’m not coming to his defense, but I just feel that we should look at the big picture and realize that what he and the team are faced with.

These guys have put their lives on-hold for the sake of our basketball-loving nation, so let’s give them our wholehearted support. We should be united in our effort to move forward.

Yes, I was very disappointed seeing our pros struggle, especially against a University team from Japan, but I think we should start understanding where our basketball program is at the moment, and let us take steps in improving it.

We will not be able to do it overnight, it will definitely take time, but we will never realize our dream if we don’t stop all this back-stabbing and bickering.


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Guys I hope that we will continue to support our team whatever happen because being faithful and putting trust is something that we really need as a country, basketball is one of the sports that reunite us Filipinos! so let's pray for our national team..... if we feel we can't then let's be positvie ok!

[dreamwalker]

I think the composition of the RP Team is almost complete with only the last 2 slots still to be filled up. These two slots are the following:

1. replacement for Tony dela Cruz;
2. the 12th man which is still open.

Gabe Norwood is already a shoo-in for dela Cruz. For the last slot, it would be a toss up among three players below:

1. Kelly Williams (SF/PF) - tall and athletic with good all-around game (he still has to show up though)
2. James Yap (SG/SF) - pure scorer with good moves both in the perimeter and around the basket (he still has to improve his defense lessen his turnovers)
3. Nino Canaleta (SF) - athletic with good experience in international game (unless the game is free wheeling with no defense, he is out of the loop)

Rudy Hatfield would have been my 12th Player if not for his marriage.


He should have married Ruffa and stayed behind.......... !!!!! :D

[saints13]

[/I][/B]


He should have married Ruffa and stayed behind.......... !!!!! :D

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watch this video, Rudy Hatfield did the trashtalking to Ruffa Mae as if they were on WWE :D

wow showbiz.. :D

[mico_devin]

My lineup would be:

1. Jimmy Alapag
2. Gabe Norwood
3. Kelly Williams
4. Mark Caguioa
5. Danny Seigle
6. Ren Ren Ritualo
7. Ranidel de Ocampo
8. Asi Taulava
9. Sonny Thoss
10. Mick Pennissi
11. Don Don Hontiveros
12. Willie Miller

[DaveMap2007]

Pg 1.) Jayjay Helterbrand ( The best assist man.. restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes)
2.) Jimmy Alapag ( Playmaking...The smallest guy ive seen in PBA doing a putback jam)
Guard 3.) Mark Caguiao (Scoring is no problem...Other Asian team are already marking him as the Mark man litteraly (Chot's evil scheme is working as planned...but he is only a decoy...opps scout are out there)
4.) Renren Ritualo ( Outside presence and restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes, reserving for the actual war in Japan )
5.) Gabe Norwood ( the Utility player for 1-2-3 an ideal replacement for Tony Dela Cruz)
6.) Dondon Hontiveros ( Could be the boy that save as from losing a war..our own Patroclus...whooa the Japanese and Lebanese are so hype they won...wait for our Trojan Horse)
FOrward 7.) Danny Seigle ( The Trojan Horse....Resting and Hidden from Scouts )
8.) Kerby Raymundo (Player with a Heart..deserving for work ethic and attitude)
9.) Kelly Williams (If the Main Generator(Danny S) doesnt work we got a back- up)
10.)"The New Kid in the Block" Sonny Thoss or the "Old Soldier" Dennis Espino (but i prefer Thoss coz he will be the Ala-Christian Laetner of our own Dream Team and we need some F/C with more beef, muscle and height inside although ill missed the unmeasurable dirtyplays of Dennis ( imagine stepping the foot of the best center of the chinese or iran team twisting it without losing Taulava and Pennisi doing it) and his reliable perimeter shot would draw the inside defense.
Center 11.) Paul Asi Taulava ( Undersized but Overcome it with committment and hardwork )
12.) Mick Pennisi ( A big renren for drawing away the opposite center)


Reserve: Ranidel De Ocampo ( This Guy must unleash his Cavite traits(Ubosan ng lahi and usapan mga bakla lang nagdedemandahan patay kung patay kulong kung kulong Meaning: Hurt as many opposite player as you can boy give them backpicks,footstepping,eyepocking,elbow sweeping,etc...:D )
James Yap (The next team should include him the regular roster (just like cariaso)

Coach
Chot Reyes: The mOst Systematic and Evil Coach the Philippine has...even his own countrymen bites his Evil scheme ( Just check the Newspaper and messages posted here after the lost in lebanon and japan and even the other game on other tournaments that we lost..but dont hate this people they are all part of the plan and Chot is enjoying it while these people are doing their impulsive criticism)..Winning a battle doesnt mean Winning the War..Keeping at bay his top players and even hiding and reserving the energy,avoiding injuries,unpredictable lineups and the best (Ruining the strategy that other teams are planning and starting again from scratch)...What is happening is just a smokescreen...Chot Reyes is very good on deception...but even in deception he was able to test multiple lineup combination and different situation plays(specially in japan and lebanon)...

[aklanarcher]

Pg 1.) Jayjay Helterbrand ( The best assist man.. restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes)
2.) Jimmy Alapag ( Playmaking...The smallest guy ive seen in PBA doing a putback jam)
Guard 3.) Mark Caguiao (Scoring is no problem...Other Asian team are already marking him as the Mark man litteraly (Chot's evil scheme is working as planned...but he is only a decoy...opps scout are out there)
4.) Renren Ritualo ( Outside presence and restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes, reserving for the actual war in Japan )
5.) Gabe Norwood ( the Utility player for 1-2-3 an ideal replacement for Tony Dela Cruz)
6.) Dondon Hontiveros ( Could be the boy that save as from losing a war..our own Patroclus...whooa the Japanese and Lebanese are so hype they won...wait for our Trojan Horse)
FOrward 7.) Danny Seigle ( The Trojan Horse....Resting and Hidden from Scouts )
8.) Kerby Raymundo (Player with a Heart..deserving for work ethic and attitude)
9.) Kelly Williams (If the Main Generator(Danny S) doesnt work we got a back- up)
10.)"The New Kid in the Block" Sonny Thoss or the "Old Soldier" Dennis Espino (but i prefer Thoss coz he will be the Ala-Christian Laetner of our own Dream Team and we need some F/C with more beef, muscle and height inside although ill missed the unmeasurable dirtyplays of Dennis ( imagine stepping the foot of the best center of the chinese or iran team twisting it without losing Taulava and Pennisi doing it) and his reliable perimeter shot would draw the inside defense.
Center 11.) Paul Asi Taulava ( Undersized but Overcome it with committment and hardwork )
12.) Mick Pennisi ( A big renren for drawing away the opposite center)


Reserve: Ranidel De Ocampo ( This Guy must unleash his Cavite traits(Ubosan ng lahi and usapan mga bakla lang nagdedemandahan patay kung patay kulong kung kulong Meaning: Hurt as many opposite player as you can boy give them backpicks,footstepping,eyepocking,elbow sweeping,etc...:D )
James Yap (The next team should include him the regular roster (just like cariaso)

Coach
Chot Reyes: The mOst Systematic and Evil Coach the Philippine has...even his own countrymen bites his Evil scheme ( Just check the Newspaper and messages posted here after the lost in lebanon and japan and even the other game on other tournaments that we lost..but dont hate this people they are all part of the plan and Chot is enjoying it while these people are doing their impulsive criticism)..Winning a battle doesnt mean Winning the War..Keeping at bay his top players and even hiding and reserving the energy,avoiding injuries,unpredictable lineups and the best (Ruining the strategy that other teams are planning and starting again from scratch)...What is happening is just a smokescreen...Chot Reyes is very good on deception...but even in deception he was able to test multiple lineup combination and different situation plays(specially in japan and lebanon)...
I agree with about what you said regarding coach chot reyes. I hope his plans works.

[apiSigbinz]

After 6 games of action i think Coach Chot will select this players... just my prediction! :D


Asi Taulava
Mick Pinnissi
Kerby Raymundo
Erik Menk
Kelly Williams
Danny Seigle
Dondon Hontiveros
Mark Caguiao
James Yap
Jimmy Alapag
JayJay Helterbrand
Gabe Norwood

I'm having hard time of choosing at SG position... It's either Ritualo or Yap i think... I choose Yap because i think he's a better defender than Ritualo and have variety of offense... but it could also be Ritualo due to his system familiarity and better three point percentage...

[Projectspeed]

After 6 games of action i think Coach Chot will select this players... just my prediction! :D


Asi Taulava
Mick Pinnissi
Kerby Raymundo
Erik Menk
Kelly Williams
Danny Seigle
Dondon Hontiveros
Mark Caguiao
James Yap
Jimmy Alapag
JayJay Helterbrand


I'm having hard time of choosing at SG position... It's either Ritualo or Yap i think... I choose Yap because i think he's a better defender than Ritualo and have variety of offense... but it could also be Ritualo due to his system familiarity and better three point percentage...

Bro, Im sure, You just forgot to add Norwood in your list... we have the same choices:D except for Yap:D I still prefer Ritualo:D James Yap will be of no use when Seigle is already in the line-up:D

However, I think Chot and Co. will choose the final 12 after its game against "China B National Team" in the Manila Invitationals:D

[zupermann]

Here my Final 12

starting 5
pg- Alapag - best pg in NT
SG- Caguioa - pure scorer
SF- Danny S - best player
PF- K Will - rebounder/defender/dunker
C - Taulava - best C we have

other 7
Helterbrand - back up pg
Norwood - can play 1-2-3. good defender hustle player
James Yap - shooter and canb penetrate
Penissi - back up C and shooter
Raymundo - quick big man, but too weak
Menk - rebounder/defender
Ritualo - shooter

Just got cut/reserves
Hontiveros - Good shooter and scorer, pero buwaya at malikot kamay, t/o and fouls. We already have a lot in the sg/sf position
DeOcampo - why is he on the team anyway? lol
Canaleta - slam dunk champion pero he hasn't showed a lot. still raw, just need to find a way to use his skills.

[Sakamoto]

My final 12 line-up
1. Asi Taulava
2. Mick Pennisi
3. Erik Menk - replacing Ranidel de Ocampo
4. Kerby Raymundo
5. Danny Siegle
6. Kelly Williams - replacing injured Tony DelaCruz
7. Gabriel Norwood
8. Mark Caguioa
9.Anthony Helterbrand
10.Florendo Ritualo jr.
11. Donaldo Hontiveros
12. Jimmy Alapag

[Sakamoto]

RPteam really misses the services of Jeffrey Cariaso. He is a go to guy, he can score from the outside, penetrates the inside and a good defender. He is the hero of the game againts Japan in the 2002 Busan Asiad with his 3 point play in the last 2 minutes of the game and his good defense againts Japan scoring machine Orimo.

[saints13]

RPteam really misses the services of Jeffrey Cariaso. He is a go to guy, he can score from the outside, penetrates the inside and a good defender. He is the hero of the game againts Japan in the 2002 Busan Asiad with his 3 point play in the last 2 minutes of the game and his good defense againts Japan scoring machine Orimo.

Jeffrey Cariaso is a good player but he's already ageing, plus the fact that the RP NT has a lot of players battling for the Guard spot..

I believe that Jeffrey Cariaso was cut from the final 12 of the RP NT in Asiad 1994 and 1998, his big break was in 2002 wherein he really made up for the frustrations of being cut in the NT line-ups :)

you forgot to say that Jeffrey Cariaso made a "sundot sa tiyan" when he defended against Orimo, after that foul, Orimo was in pain and signaling to the referee that he was punched. He also made Orimo graduate after making an and1 play right after that defensive possession. :)

We already have a Jeffrey Cariaso in the mold of Don Don Hontiveros, and many Cariaso type of players to come. :)

*just my opinion

[SupaRuki]

My personal choices
C- Asi Taulava
C- Mick Pennisi
PF- Kerby Raymundo
PF- Jay Washington -replacing menk for more ceiling and versatility, we get a slower yet stronger version of KWill and GWood. Also great in finishing the break and another perimeter threat, decent defender and shotblocker.
PF/SF- Kelly Williams
SF- Gabe Norwood
SF- Danny Seigle
SG- Dondon Hontiveros
SG- Mark Caguioa
SG- Ren Ren Ritualo/James Yap -anyone of these two can be the 13th man
PG- JayJay Helterbrand
PG- Jimmy Alapag

If Chot will be bringing in up to 15 players then im still hoping Reavis makes it. He knows the system and will be a big help off the boards. Otherwise ill take Sonny Thoss to fill the 14th slot. The last one will be for Rudy Hatfield but i guess itll take a miracle for that to happen.

[reamily]

Pg 1.) Jayjay Helterbrand ( The best assist man.. restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes)
2.) Jimmy Alapag ( Playmaking...The smallest guy ive seen in PBA doing a putback jam)
Guard 3.) Mark Caguiao (Scoring is no problem...Other Asian team are already marking him as the Mark man litteraly (Chot's evil scheme is working as planned...but he is only a decoy...opps scout are out there)
4.) Renren Ritualo ( Outside presence and restrain from 100% performance due to scouting purposes, reserving for the actual war in Japan )
5.) Gabe Norwood ( the Utility player for 1-2-3 an ideal replacement for Tony Dela Cruz)
6.) Dondon Hontiveros ( Could be the boy that save as from losing a war..our own Patroclus...whooa the Japanese and Lebanese are so hype they won...wait for our Trojan Horse)
FOrward 7.) Danny Seigle ( The Trojan Horse....Resting and Hidden from Scouts )
8.) Kerby Raymundo (Player with a Heart..deserving for work ethic and attitude)
9.) Kelly Williams (If the Main Generator(Danny S) doesnt work we got a back- up)
10.)"The New Kid in the Block" Sonny Thoss or the "Old Soldier" Dennis Espino (but i prefer Thoss coz he will be the Ala-Christian Laetner of our own Dream Team and we need some F/C with more beef, muscle and height inside although ill missed the unmeasurable dirtyplays of Dennis ( imagine stepping the foot of the best center of the chinese or iran team twisting it without losing Taulava and Pennisi doing it) and his reliable perimeter shot would draw the inside defense.
Center 11.) Paul Asi Taulava ( Undersized but Overcome it with committment and hardwork )
12.) Mick Pennisi ( A big renren for drawing away the opposite center)


Reserve: Ranidel De Ocampo ( This Guy must unleash his Cavite traits(Ubosan ng lahi and usapan mga bakla lang nagdedemandahan patay kung patay kulong kung kulong Meaning: Hurt as many opposite player as you can boy give them backpicks,footstepping,eyepocking,elbow sweeping,etc...:D )
James Yap (The next team should include him the regular roster (just like cariaso)

Coach
Chot Reyes: The mOst Systematic and Evil Coach the Philippine has...even his own countrymen bites his Evil scheme ( Just check the Newspaper and messages posted here after the lost in lebanon and japan and even the other game on other tournaments that we lost..but dont hate this people they are all part of the plan and Chot is enjoying it while these people are doing their impulsive criticism)..Winning a battle doesnt mean Winning the War..Keeping at bay his top players and even hiding and reserving the energy,avoiding injuries,unpredictable lineups and the best (Ruining the strategy that other teams are planning and starting again from scratch)...What is happening is just a smokescreen...Chot Reyes is very good on deception...but even in deception he was able to test multiple lineup combination and different situation plays(specially in japan and lebanon)...
You're absolutely right i think we need one mor big man or if ranidel play big is enough but in our group in fiba asia we need a thoss

[ros]

You're absolutely right i think we need one mor big man or if ranidel play big is enough but in our group in fiba asia we need a thoss

It's impossible for thoss to be in the final line-up. How can he be in the final line-up when he's not even in the reserves?

next year maybe in the olympics..hehehe:D

My final 12

PG:

Helterbrand - still has a lot to show. maybe he's not showing his best coz still recuperating from an injury. Maybe scouts purposes.
Alapag - The best PG playing in jones cup. Lived up to his monicker "The Mighty Mouse"

SG:

Hontiveros - Although he made boo-boos in japan and lebanon you cannot discount his defensive ability. Why would we drop him even coach chot giving him a lot of minutes.

Caguioa - nothing to say here purely "The Spark"

Ritualo - seven 3 pt. shots with only few minutes of playing. What more can I say. Clearly coach chot is hiding him.

SF:

Danny Siegle - the best player in the team. Imagine Mark and him playing together.

Norwood - best player for that spot after DS

Williams - just in case those 2 won't click. Can also play PF

PF:

Raymundo - quick and has a decent outside shot even ranging up to the 3 pt. area

Menk - replacing ranidel. rebounding purposes and pushing out those big men in the shaded area. Great game yesterday against that huge Iranian although he look like a PG guarding a C but Hadadi couldn't push him

C:

Taulava - man mountain. he's like a taal volcano small for his position but very active

Pennisi - what more can I say giving a cut to that lebanese guy:D In case coach chot decides an outside shooting ballgame.

[flip_ya_face01]

PF- Jay Washington -replacing menk for more ceiling and versatility, we get a slower yet stronger version of KWill and GWood. Also great in finishing the break and another perimeter threat, decent defender and shotblocker.


Sorry dude. I'm going Arwind for Jwash anyday.

[ctongco]

If we're talking about what our team needs, I'd go for Sonny Thoss, a taller, younger and more offensive minded version of Eric Menk. He can rebound, defend and be a threat in the low-post.

[DaveMap2007]

Jeffrey Cariaso is a good player but he's already ageing, plus the fact that the RP NT has a lot of players battling for the Guard spot..

I believe that Jeffrey Cariaso was cut from the final 12 of the RP NT in Asiad 1994 and 1998, his big break was in 2002 wherein he really made up for the frustrations of being cut in the NT line-ups :)

you forgot to say that Jeffrey Cariaso made a "sundot sa tiyan" when he defended against Orimo, after that foul, Orimo was in pain and signaling to the referee that he was punched. He also made Orimo graduate after making an and1 play right after that defensive possession. :)

We already have a Jeffrey Cariaso in the mold of Don Don Hontiveros, and many Cariaso type of players to come. :)

*just my opinion


Opps Many people remember that it was Dennis Espino who hit Orimo
in that Busan game stint…I still remember Dennis hiding his hand away
from the Refs and smiling…But anyway Cariaso did benefit from that coz Orimo was scoring 20 plus points
over him before that incident happen…after it Orimo (Traumatic) was non-existence and the
so-called great defense of Cariaso occurred.

But Cariaso is a good player....no doubt about it....

[aklanarcher]

Too bad Espino is too old to play. I hope he gets a sip of the fountain of youth. He would really help the NT. :p

[budz17]

My Final Roster for Japan

Asi Taulava
Mick Penissi
Kerby Raymundo
Eric Menk

Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Gabe Norwood
James Yap
Dondon Hontiveros
Jayjay Helterbrand
Mark Caguiao
Jimmy Alapag

you have 4 players down low and 8 up high. seigle, williams and norwood can also help in the rebounding as they have good height and leaping ability. also, you can change yap for ritualo. the team has speed and some decent size so we have choices when our bigs are not really playing well or in foul trouble.

What do you think?

[aklanarcher]

My Final Roster for Japan

Asi Taulava
Mick Penissi
Kerby Raymundo
Eric Menk

Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Gabe Norwood
James Yap
Dondon Hontiveros
Jayjay Helterbrand
Mark Caguiao
Jimmy Alapag

you have 4 players down low and 8 up high. seigle, williams and norwood can also help in the rebounding as they have good height and leaping ability. also, you can change yap for ritualo. the team has speed and some decent size so we have choices when our bigs are not really playing well or in foul trouble.

What do you think?
Looks good but I prefer Ritualo over Yap any day.

[jovani_pineda]

yeah, ritualo....

[aklanarcher]

yeah, ritualo....
7 3pts vs Japan is amazing. He is not even getting the playing time he deserves.

[jovani_pineda]

that's right. ritualo is an example of "small but terrible" filipino player.

[protossdomain]

My Final Roster for Japan

Asi Taulava
Mick Penissi
Kerby Raymundo
Eric Menk

Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Gabe Norwood
James Yap
Dondon Hontiveros
Jayjay Helterbrand
Mark Caguiao
Jimmy Alapag

you have 4 players down low and 8 up high. seigle, williams and norwood can also help in the rebounding as they have good height and leaping ability. also, you can change yap for ritualo. the team has speed and some decent size so we have choices when our bigs are not really playing well or in foul trouble.

What do you think?

Remove Menk. Retain De Ocampo. Power is better substituted by agility and shooting ability in basketball competitions such as this, more so with FIBA sanctioned events.

[snipes12]

possibly line up for the fiba - asia championship
5 guards , 5 forwards 2 center

pg
alapag 5'7"
helterbrand 5'11

sg
caguioa 5'11"
hontiveros 6'2"
ritualo 6'0"

sf
Siegle 6'6"
Norwoord 6'5"
yap 6'3"

PF
Kelly williams 6'5"
Raymundo 6'5" (it would be nice if hatfield 6'3" take this slot)
C
Penisi 6'9"
Taulava 6'9"

reserves
de ocampo 6'5
de la cruz 6'4
kg 6'5
menk 6'5

coach : chot reyes
asst coach: uchico and sino ba yung isa ?

the team are built for talent,speed and stamina except height parang team usa
if they can bring back hatfield for raymundo ,the more chances for them to succeed

[apiSigbinz]

Bro, Im sure, You just forgot to add Norwood in your list... we have the same choices:D except for Yap:D I still prefer Ritualo:D James Yap will be of no use when Seigle is already in the line-up:D

However, I think Chot and Co. will choose the final 12 after its game against "China B National Team" in the Manila Invitationals:D


what are you saying dude? hehehe just kidding.... i already added Norwood, they're 12 now! :D

[dgenx]

my updated rosters:

PG
Alapag
Helterbrand

SG
Ritualo
Hontiveros
Caguiao

SF
Siegle
Norwood

PF
Williams
Reymundo

C
Taulava
Penissi

No.12 spot between Yap or Menk?

[sickcurtain_16]

I'll still go for yap. He can bury that 3 pt shots too, adding the fact that he can do a side step, once handed shot, a jumpshot, a nice assist, etc, etc. He's more versatile and much more multi-dimensional than Ren Ren.

[thekidd]

PG
Alapag
JJ

SG
Mark - offensive threat
Dondon - Deffensive Enforcer. Last to take the shot
Renren - The Secret
Norwood

SF
Seigle
Williams

PF
De Ocampo
Kerby

C
Taulava
Penissi


I prefer to add de Ocampo in the list because he is like Penissi, tall-strong guy who has the shot outside but less the Passion and Aggressiveness. But He Is Tough also he can be our Big Enforcer. Though we need him defending, bruising our opponents like Mick but he can take a shot if he needs it before the buzzer expires....


I didn't included Yap because of Renren and Seigle... Though he has the touch of Renren and clutch of Seigle. He always prefer to take his hot on a dribble. The spot for a clutch shooter and penetrator is taken by Ren ren and Danny. and plus the fact that we already have mark as the small fast shooting guard.

Williams, can create mismatches, he is also a good defender and a good blocker. I watched him swat few shots in his first games in PBA.

The team is loaded with shooters, scorers....

We need role players or scorers, shooters to take their roles in the team....

Defense is the key to win....

Let Mark, JImmy, Renren, Danny, Kelly and JJ be the first options to take the shot....

the other guys especially the big guys and the Enforcers should concentrate on defense.....

just like in the American Football, there's an offensive team and a defensive team....

And let the defensive players play their role.... though offense counts in winning a game....

Defense is the only factor to hamper your opponents game....

I believe in RP NT's capability to score....

But knowing how to defend your opponent is a game considered a half-won already!

Defense is the key.

[aklanarcher]

Sorry dude. I'm going Arwind for Jwash anyday.
Arwind may be better defensively but Jwash is a legit 6'7" player. I like Arwind too but a prefer a player who is taller and their skill sets are a bit similar. Jwash just needs the motivation. Jwash plays like Glenn Robinson. I hope he is not as selfish as the Big Dog.

[Project888]

i'm not really comfortable if menk joins the rp team! he can't score, his slow, and makes fouls. he can rebound but maybe only until 7 or 8 per game

[saints13]

i'm not really comfortable if menk joins the rp team! he can't score, his slow, and makes fouls. he can rebound but maybe only until 7 or 8 per game

but he can smile :D hehehe

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a chance in joining the final 12.

the guards are the one who'll have a hard time battling in Coach Chot's final decision, we can't afford to have more guards :D

[ctongco]

I haven't voted because I can't choose. Unfortunately I can only vote once.

[snipes12]

our keys for the tournament is ...

teamwork
confidence
speed
stamina
aggresiveness

[lovejones]

our keys for the tournament is ...

teamwork
confidence
speed
stamina
aggresiveness

Exactly, which is why we have to accept the fact that there is no one in the 15-man training pool that can effectively relieve Asi when it comes to rebounding and defense. JWash, Reavies, Peña, Thoss, and Belasco could have been good candidates but they are not part of the present training pool. Do you think Chot, with Tokushima just a few weeks away, would gamble on someone who hasn't trained with the team prior to the Jones Cup? I don't think so.

With that, we have to concentrate on our main strength which is our quickness. We are the fastest national team in Asia and this fact prompted one foreign basketball journalist to call us (erroneously) "the Phoenix Suns of Asia." As such, why not build on it? Who among our 15 players do you think would truly make Team Pilipinas the meanest run and gun team in the whole of Asia? Again, we have to accept the bitter fact that our Liliputian Team would be outrebounded and outscored in the low blocks by everyone in the coming Olympic Qualifiers because, obviously, we just don't have the personnel to fight off the 7 foot monsters they'll throw at us. Obviously, the only way we can reduce the disparity in rebounding is to improve further our hustle and boxing out strategies.

Our strength lies in the PG, SG, and SF positions. With that fact in mind, my final 12 are as follows:

PG

Jimmy
Jay-Jay

SG

Mark
Dondon
Ren-Ren :)
James :)

SF

Danny
Gabe

PF

Kerby
Kelly :)

C

Asi
Mick

[jason_28c]

Eala: Chot had his best game vs. Taiwan
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

PHILIPPINE Basketball Association commissioner Noli Eala said yesterday that national team coach Chot Reyes was at his best in the game against Taiwan in the 29th William Jones Cup.

The Filipinos routed the Taiwanese, 82-64, before a jam-packed crowd in Taipei on Sunday and that assistant coaches Jong Uichico and Binky Favis have been a major plus.

In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Standard Today, Eala who is in Taipei, together with Robert Non of San Miguel Corp., which is sponsoring the RP Team to give the squad moral support, said the presence of Uichico of Ginebra and Favis of Coca-Cola really helped a lot.

Eala said while the nationals return to their hotel after a game, Uichico and Favis stay behind to scout every game and the “quality of their inputs have really helped,” especially in Reyes’ near-flawless coaching against Chinese Taipei.

Eala noted that in Iran and even the Southeast Asia Basketball Association Championships in Thailand, Reyes got very little help, but it’s different now in the Jones Cup, where the players themselves responded and are improving with every game.

From what he has seen so far, Eala noted that the team had improved tremendously. “The team was raising its performance a notch every game in a buildup that would be helpful in Japan,” said Eala.

The Philippines competes in the Fiba Asia Men’s Championship, which is the qualifying tournament for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Eala observed that the team’s defense was “much better, their quickness was evident and they were focused in executing their gameplan with the players knowing their roles.”

The PBA commissioner believes that the players themselves are motivated and inspired and realize they have a legitimate chance of doing well in Tokushima later this month.

Meanwhile, it has become increasingly evident that PBA Most Valuable Player James Yap and former MVP Eric Menk, judging by their performance against top-class opponents, have played themselves into the Philippine Team championships in Tokushima, Japan later this month.

Reyes conceded that he was “going to have to make some tough decisions” regarding the final composition of the team to Tokushima.

He said Yap was challenged to show what he could do and not only made tough shots, showed he could take it to the hoop, drive baseline and was “very solid defensively.”

It is believed that in battling for a place on the squad against a pure shooter like Renren Ritualo, Yap had a decided edge because of his defensive abilities.

Reyes described Menk’s defense in one word: “grabe.”

He said the nice thing about Menk was that he “accepts the fact that he’s going to play maybe three to five minutes a game, but he works hard, gets the rebounds and in addition, is a positive influence on the bench.”

Viva Sports/Standard Today learned that Reyes was “slowly feeling the sentiments of the members of the team,” on the possible changes in the original lineup.

Eala, while not wishing to interfere or influence the decisions of Reyes and his coaching staff, also said he thought highly of Yap’s ability to play defense compared to Ritualo, and Menk’s toughness defensively.

Indications are that Tony de la Cruz, because of his recent history of injuries, KG Canaleta, Ranidel de Ocampo and Ritualo may be made alternates, who Reyes would wish to take to Tokushima with the team in case of any unfortunate injuries and also to serve as practice players in Tokushima.

Although Reyes hasn’t decided on the final composition of the team, he plans on requesting sponsors San Miguel Corp. and Eala and the board to allow him to take the players, who don’t make the cut, to Tokushima because of their hard work and loyalty to the national effort throughout.


From this news, i think yap and menk will make it to the final 12, ritualo and de ocampo will become alternates.. according to commissioner eala

[aklanarcher]

Eala: Chot had his best game vs. Taiwan
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

PHILIPPINE Basketball Association commissioner Noli Eala said yesterday that national team coach Chot Reyes was at his best in the game against Taiwan in the 29th William Jones Cup.

The Filipinos routed the Taiwanese, 82-64, before a jam-packed crowd in Taipei on Sunday and that assistant coaches Jong Uichico and Binky Favis have been a major plus.

In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Standard Today, Eala who is in Taipei, together with Robert Non of San Miguel Corp., which is sponsoring the RP Team to give the squad moral support, said the presence of Uichico of Ginebra and Favis of Coca-Cola really helped a lot.

Eala said while the nationals return to their hotel after a game, Uichico and Favis stay behind to scout every game and the “quality of their inputs have really helped,” especially in Reyes’ near-flawless coaching against Chinese Taipei.

Eala noted that in Iran and even the Southeast Asia Basketball Association Championships in Thailand, Reyes got very little help, but it’s different now in the Jones Cup, where the players themselves responded and are improving with every game.

From what he has seen so far, Eala noted that the team had improved tremendously. “The team was raising its performance a notch every game in a buildup that would be helpful in Japan,” said Eala.

The Philippines competes in the Fiba Asia Men’s Championship, which is the qualifying tournament for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Eala observed that the team’s defense was “much better, their quickness was evident and they were focused in executing their gameplan with the players knowing their roles.”

The PBA commissioner believes that the players themselves are motivated and inspired and realize they have a legitimate chance of doing well in Tokushima later this month.

Meanwhile, it has become increasingly evident that PBA Most Valuable Player James Yap and former MVP Eric Menk, judging by their performance against top-class opponents, have played themselves into the Philippine Team championships in Tokushima, Japan later this month.

Reyes conceded that he was “going to have to make some tough decisions” regarding the final composition of the team to Tokushima.

He said Yap was challenged to show what he could do and not only made tough shots, showed he could take it to the hoop, drive baseline and was “very solid defensively.”

It is believed that in battling for a place on the squad against a pure shooter like Renren Ritualo, Yap had a decided edge because of his defensive abilities.

Reyes described Menk’s defense in one word: “grabe.”

He said the nice thing about Menk was that he “accepts the fact that he’s going to play maybe three to five minutes a game, but he works hard, gets the rebounds and in addition, is a positive influence on the bench.”

Viva Sports/Standard Today learned that Reyes was “slowly feeling the sentiments of the members of the team,” on the possible changes in the original lineup.

Eala, while not wishing to interfere or influence the decisions of Reyes and his coaching staff, also said he thought highly of Yap’s ability to play defense compared to Ritualo, and Menk’s toughness defensively.

Indications are that Tony de la Cruz, because of his recent history of injuries, KG Canaleta, Ranidel de Ocampo and Ritualo may be made alternates, who Reyes would wish to take to Tokushima with the team in case of any unfortunate injuries and also to serve as practice players in Tokushima.

Although Reyes hasn’t decided on the final composition of the team, he plans on requesting sponsors San Miguel Corp. and Eala and the board to allow him to take the players, who don’t make the cut, to Tokushima because of their hard work and loyalty to the national effort throughout.


From this news, i think yap and menk will make it to the final 12, ritualo and de ocampo will become alternates.. according to commissioner eala
I agree with the menk additional but Yap over Ritualo doesn't sound smart too. A pure shooter for a scorer doesn't make sense in the international basketball scene.

[saints13]

I agree with the menk additional but Yap over Ritualo doesn't sound smart too. A pure shooter for a scorer doesn't make sense in the international basketball scene.

we have different perspectives about the final 12 of the RP team :)

here's mine, I think Sonny Thoss would be a better addition from Eric Menk, but he's not part of the training pool right now.

I'm more in favor of Ritualo, but I also like señorito James Yap, well, it's anybody's slot right now. :)

[flip_ya_face01]

Is Yap injured?

[Project888]

putting menk in the final line up is shit! can't score and slow! everytime he defend he makes foul!!! not being a genius here, i think, jst tellling the truth!
this should be the final line up:

taulava
pennisi
williams
raymundo
siegle
norwood
ritualo
yap
caguioa
hontiveros
helterbrand
alapag

[phevergy]

putting menk in the final line up is shit! can't score and slow! everytime he defend he makes foul!!! not being a genius here, i think, jst tellling the truth!
this should be the final line up:

taulava
pennisi
williams
raymundo
siegle
norwood
ritualo
yap
caguioa
hontiveros
helterbrand
alapag
__________________
I STILL BELIEVE ON THE RP TEAM! I STILL TRUST COACH CHOT!! GO RP TEAM

I agree...putting Menk is not a good idea...he was beaten black and blue inside the paint...Kerby is much more effective than him.Why not use Penissi instead, especially against tall opponents-Jordan and Qatar plus Danny S.,and that would be additional ceiling for the RP team.I think we can play big if we want,it just happened that we haven't had the chance to see that during Jones cup. I think we also have a tall line up.

[snipes12]

we are the gsw of asia which is pure excitement and tons of supporters.... "WE BELIEVE"

[aklanarcher]

we are the gsw of asia which is pure excitement and tons of supporters.... "WE BELIEVE"
We also have the best cheerleader if James Yap makes the final cut. Kris Aquino. :P Lol.

[saints13]

If James Yap is injured...Ren Ren Ritualo will be on the spot :)

[sickcurtain_16]

I would rather have villanueva than menk if we want some banger there. Besides, villanueva is a better offensive player who can make put backs better than menk now. Maybe many will disagree but this is how i see by their games now. Villanueva is younger and jumps higher too and has been part of the pool much more than menk.

[snipes12]

We also have the best cheerleader if James Yap makes the final cut. Kris Aquino. :P Lol.

i preffer alapag's wifey , miss gina from kool ka lang ..

[phevergy]

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklanarcher
We also have the best cheerleader if James Yap makes the final cut. Kris Aquino. :P Lol.


i preffer alapag's wifey , miss gina from kool ka lang ..

I thought this topic talks abt the best final 12 not the best cheerleaders!!!:)

[ctongco]

I would rather have villanueva than menk if we want some banger there. Besides, villanueva is a better offensive player who can make put backs better than menk now. Maybe many will disagree but this is how i see by their games now. Villanueva is younger and jumps higher too and has been part of the pool much more than menk.

I agree, but I would however pick Sonny Thoss over Enrico Villanueva. The only problem would be it might be too late for Thoss to join the NT. I really feel that we need him on the team. More than his offense, we need a strong rebounder and post defender.

[phevergy]

agree, but I would however pick Sonny Thoss over Enrico Villanueva. The only problem would be it might be too late for Thoss to join the NT. I really feel that we need him on the team. More than his offense, we need a strong rebounder and post defender.]

C'mon guys,let's stop bringing those guys,Sonny Thoss,Villanueva,Reavis, etc...Final 12 will be decided i think after Manila Invitational and it will be coming from those who made it to the Jones cup tourney.Menk is a good contender against de Ocampo and Williams might take Dela Cruz's slot.I think Yap has a 50-50 chances due to his injury he got earlier against Kazahktan's game.:)

[ctongco]

]

C'mon guys,let's stop bringing those guys,Sonny Thoss,Villanueva,Reavis, etc...Final 12 will be decided i think after Manila Invitational and it will be coming from those who made it to the Jones cup tourney.Menk is a good contender against de Ocampo and Williams might take Dela Cruz's slot.I think Yap has a 50-50 chances due to his injury he got earlier against Kazahktan's game.:)


I would love to have Menk in the final line-up, but judging from his performance in the Jones Cup he is not yet in full condition and this will be a problem since he will be the main back-up of Asi. Brining in Sonny Thoss could disrupt the chemistry as he will be a new addition to the team, however I really think that his game will fit what our NT needs as of the moment. I would also like to have both James and Renren on the team but as Coach Chot had earlier said, he will only get either James or Renren.

[Project888]

why not putting james and yap in final line up? what the world coach chot is thingking!!!!!
our C and PF is weak so let's jst strengthen up the guards! jst put james in the SF! simple problem can't even solve, dammit!

final line up:
asi
mick
kerby
kelly
danny
gabe
james
mark
don2
ren2
mark
jj

[saints13]

why not putting james and yap in final line up? what the world coach chot is thingking!!!!!
our C and PF is weak so let's jst strengthen up the guards! jst put james in the SF! simple problem can't even solve, dammit!

final line up:
asi
mick
kerby
kelly
danny
gabe
james
mark
don2
ren2
mark
jj

there's no easy problem bro, especially when you have a lot to consider :)
your observation is shallow, no offense bro.

[Project888]

what's the problem with that line up?
i think it's the best!

[aklanarcher]

i preffer alapag's wifey , miss gina from kool ka lang ..
Are LJ Moreno and Jimmy Alapag married? I thought they were just dating.

[saints13]

what's the problem with that line up?
i think it's the best!

no problem with your line-up bro. I also think its the best :)

but there should be a striking balance for the team, if we field too much shooters, then the story of the game will be one dimensional.

plus, another thing, James Yap got injured. tsk tsk tsk.

[ctongco]

no problem with your line-up bro. I also think its the best :)

but there should be a striking balance for the team, if we field too much shooters, then the story of the game will be one dimensional.

plus, another thing, James Yap got injured. tsk tsk tsk.


Does anybody know the degree of James' injury?

[saints13]

Does anybody know the degree of James' injury?

no press releases yet..

according to www.pba.ph

he got sprained and Taulava carried him out of the court..tsk tsk tsk :eek:

my sopcast got messed-up when I was watching the game, I didn't see that part actually..

señorito James Yap got injured, I wonder what will señorita Kris Aquino say :)

hopefully, somebody who watched the game would tell us if that is just a normal sprain or something that could affect his status in the RP NT final 12

[aklanarcher]

no press releases yet..

according to www.pba.ph

he got sprained and Taulava carried him out of the court..tsk tsk tsk :eek:

my sopcast got messed-up when I was watching the game, I didn't see that part actually..

señorito James Yap got injured, I wonder what will señorita Kris Aquino say :)

hopefully, somebody who watched the game would tell us if that is just a normal sprain or something that could affect his status in the RP NT final 12
I don't think it's an ordinary sprain. He just fell and favored his knee. I hope it is not serious. Taulava also sweetheart carried James Yap to the bench. :D Kris would get so mad with the Kazakhs or with Taulava for the sweetheart carry. :p

[joel23]

Here's the Final:

Starting five:

C Asi Taulava
PF Erik Menk
SF Danny Seigle
SG Mark Caguioa
PG Gabe Norwood PG/SG/SF

6 James Yap
7 Jimmy Alapag
8 Kelly Williams
9 Mick Pennisi
10 Don Don Hontiveros
11 Ren Ren Ritualo
12 Kerby Raymundo or Jay Jay Helterbrand???

Are ready for FIBA-Asia Olympic Qualifying :D :D :D

[saints13]

My Final 12..

JJ Helterbrand
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Ren Ren Ritualo
Don Don Hontiveros
Gabe Norwood
Kelly Williams
Ranidel de Ocampo
Kerby Raymundo
Danny Seigle
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

I wanna see if it will have resemblance on Coach Chot's final 12 :)

[vervemaven]

PG
Jimmy Alapag
JJ Helterbrand

SG
Mark Caguioa
Dondon Hontiveros
Renren Ritualo
James Yap

SF
Danny Siegle
Gabe Norwood

PF
Kerby Raimundo
Kelly Williams

C
Asi Taulava
Mick Penisi


Olympic slot dream is a big gamble, so why not gamble with this line up?

[snipes12]

Here's the Final:

Starting five:

C Asi Taulava
PF Erik Menk
SF Danny Seigle
SG Mark Caguioa
PG Gabe Norwood PG/SG/SF

6 James Yap
7 Jimmy Alapag
8 Kelly Williams
9 Mick Pennisi
10 Don Don Hontiveros
11 Ren Ren Ritualo
12 Kerby Raymundo or Jay Jay Helterbrand???

Are ready for FIBA-Asia Olympic Qualifying :D :D :D

norwood is prefferably a sf since our team rely on quickness .. it will slow up our team if he was put at guard position

[warren99]

Final Line-up (base On Their Performance Yesterday)

1.jimmy Alapag
2.jj Helterbrand
3.dondon Hontiveros
4.mark Caguioa
5.james Yap
6.gabe Norwood
7.danny Seigle
8.kelly Williams
9.kerby Raymundo
10.mick Pennisi
11.asi Taulava

[jayphcool]

Guards:
Jimmy
JJ
Dondon
Mark
James

Forwards:
Kerby
Danny
Kelly
Ranidel
Gabe

Centers:
Asi
Mick

[meloy]

hey guys nice tournament.. congrats to TP... 3rd place not bad.
but after the game against the kazaks is not appropariate. Coach chot went straight to his car out frustrations... the players are not allowed to go out and recieve visitors, lights out at 10... wow! ANU YUN parang mga bata pinagalitan.... i think the players are slowly feeling the inevitable that one-two-three players will be replaced... after all their sacrifices...

Noli eala and coach chot are seriously considering menk and yap after their good showing in the jones cup. But the recent injury to james i think he will not make it to tokushima...

Gabe, 2 weeks to japan has not yet secure his papers. i think he will not make it to japan either. (the problem is the team has already been comfortble with him on the court. i dont knew what will happen him not playing)

Williams is already been reconized by BI, but dot have a passport yet. but accdg to chot with his papers in place, a passport should not be a problem, so he is a shoo in.

danny and tony are back....

heres the final 12 out of final 16 to choose from

1. asi
2. mick
3. eric
4. mark
5. danny
6. jj
7. dondon
8. kerby
9. jimmy
10. renren (if james ankle is not yet okay)
11. tony (if gabe cant secure his papers)
12. kelly (if he can secure a passport, if not its ranidel)

[saints13]

MANILA INVITATIONALS TO DETERMINE FINAL LINEUP FOR JAPAN
First up for SMC-RP is Lebanon Thursday at The Arena in San Juan
Thursday, 12 July 2007

THE quick way they adjusted to their new teammates and coach Chot Reyes’ system has greatly improved the chances of Eric Menk, Kelly Williams and James Yap of making it to the national team going to the FIBA-Asia championship later this month.

Reyes said he will come up with the final 12-man lineup following the 4-Nation Manila Invitational Championship that starts Thursday at The Arena in San Juan, but it is clear by inference that he is inclined to include the three.

“Kailangan sila ng team,” Reyes said Wednesday of the three players who joined San Miguel – Team Pilipinas only just before it left for the Jones Cup in Taipei last week.

He clarified that the team remains a work in progress and everything depends on how well the players perform in the Invitationals.

“This is the final piece in our selection process,” he stated.

Fil-American Gabe Norwood also has a clear shot at making the team, but only if he can get his papers in order.

“He has already gotten the services of a lawyer, but I don’t how that’s progressing,” Reyes said.

Nino “KG” Canaleta, a late addition like Menk, Williams and Yap, has already been stricken off the RP list, leaving Reyes with a 15-man lineup.

Reyes refused to comment on reports that two players who have been with the team since its formation are on the way out, but pointed out the plus factors going for Menk, Williams and Yap.

“They will make the team taller without sacrificing anything in both offense and defense,” Reyes pointed out.

“But everything still remains to be seen,” he quickly added. “Kailangan kasing i-balanse ng husto ang lahat ng factors.”

The Invitationals should be a good gauge, featuring as it does the national teams of Lebanon, Syria and China.

Despite an ankle injury he suffered in the Nationals’ last Jones Cup match against Kazakhstan, Yap is still in the RP lineup that also includes Asi Taulava, Mick Pennisi, Jimmy Alapag, Jayjay Helterbrand, Mark Caguioa, Tony de la Cruz, Dondon Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo and Danny Seigle, recovered from a pulled hamstring that kept him out of the Jones Cup.

First up for SMC-Team Pilipinas Thursday is the Fadi Al Khatib-led Lebanon, which overcame a 10-point deficit to beat the Nationals 87-84 in the Jones Cup.

Friday, the Philippines takes on China, which has been bracketed with the Nationals, Iran and Jordan in the FIBA-Asia tilt set July 28-August 5 in Tokushima, Japan.

Although the Chinese are fielding their second team both in the Invitationals and in Japan, Reyes said they should not be trifled with.

“In a lot of ways mas nakakatakot ang team na ito because they’re younger And more hungry,” said Reyes of the team coached by former Olympian Adiljiang.

On Saturday, it will be Syria, with two naturalized Brazilians, that the Filipinos will be tackling before the matches for the final placings on Sunday.

Although the Philippines and the rest of the field are using the Invitationals as final tune-up for Japan, Reyes said they will still go all out to win it.

“Second place has never been our target, never,” said Reyes

[jaycarlos1]

Here's mine

Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel de Ocampo
Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Dondon Hontiveros
James Yap
Gabe Norwood
Jimmy Alapag
Jayjay Helterbrand


Here is my choice list for the RTNT:

Jimmy Alapag
Jay-jay Helterbrand
Gabe Norwood
Don-don Hontiveros
Mark Caguioa
James Yap
Danny Seigle
Kelly Williams
Kerby Raymundo
Ranidel De Ocapmo
Mick Pennisi
Asi Taulava

[ros]

The BIG Question is.... Would there be enough time for Gabe to complete his papers and have a philippine passport?

Possible line-up if norwood couldn't make it

PG
Alapag
Helterbrand

SG
Caguioa
Hontiveros
Ritualo (this one's still 50/50)

SF
Danny Seigle
Tony dela Cruz

PF
Menk (just to give taulava another banger in the inside)
Williams
Raymundo

C
Taulava
Pennisi

[apiSigbinz]

Tony dela Cruz as well as Danny S. will play in Manila. Could be another headache for Coach Chot if Tony plays well.

[meloy]

Tony dela Cruz as well as Danny S. will play in Manila. Could be another headache for Coach Chot if Tony plays well.
danny s. and tony are shoo in, i believe

[snipes12]

updated line up now will be ....

pg

elepeg
hilterbrend

sg
hontiveyrus
kewgiwua
yep

sf
Siegle
norwood
Delacruz



pf
kelly williams
kerbi reymandu


C
Tewlava
pennisi

[warren99]

nice name!:eek: :eek: :eek:
the commentator could be anthony suntey...:D :D :D

[snipes12]

nice name!:eek: :eek: :eek:
the commentator could be anthony suntey...:D :D :D
"and the player frow taiwan will go the sacramento kings summer camp blah blah"

hehe :) ilang beses kung narinig din yun ..

[ctongco]

Tony dela Cruz as well as Danny S. will play in Manila. Could be another headache for Coach Chot if Tony plays well.


It will be a headache that Coach Chot would welcome. :D

[JET007]

hey guys nice tournament.. congrats to TP... 3rd place not bad.
but after the game against the kazaks is not appropariate. Coach chot went straight to his car out frustrations... the players are not allowed to go out and recieve visitors, lights out at 10... wow! ANU YUN parang mga bata pinagalitan.... i think the players are slowly feeling the inevitable that one-two-three players will be replaced... after all their sacrifices...

Noli eala and coach chot are seriously considering menk and yap after their good showing in the jones cup. But the recent injury to james i think he will not make it to tokushima...

Gabe, 2 weeks to japan has not yet secure his papers. i think he will not make it to japan either. (the problem is the team has already been comfortble with him on the court. i dont knew what will happen him not playing)

Williams is already been reconized by BI, but dot have a passport yet. but accdg to chot with his papers in place, a passport should not be a problem, so he is a shoo in.

danny and tony are back....

heres the final 12 out of final 16 to choose from

1. asi
2. mick
3. eric
4. mark
5. danny
6. jj
7. dondon
8. kerby
9. jimmy
10. renren (if james ankle is not yet okay)
11. tony (if gabe cant secure his papers)
12. kelly (if he can secure a passport, if not its ranidel)
No james yap!?:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[meloy]

its a good game for the TP except (again!) 3rd quarter...
fresh from the locker they came out COLD. (instead, why not stay at the court during half time and continue warming up?)
RENREN is proving something.. he should be included.
RAnidel and TONY? i missed them, as if they were not existing in the game... they are going somewhere...
Gabe and Kelly are really good... They should have a passport...

One thing is sure... LEBANON can win games without KHATIB. but its going to BE HARD. realy realy HARD....

UNLIKE THE PHILIPPINES... it can win games even without its top GUNS( I REPEAT GUNS, im referring to danny, mark and james)

so renren is in...

tony and ranidel are out...
who is the last one?

[saints13]

Manila Invitational day 1 for the RP

Gabe Norwood played..Tony dela Cruz played also..man, the team is gonna start from scratch with those new combinations back on fold.

I personally believe that Tony Dela Cruz and Eric Menk is dispensable on this final 12.. my opinion only... but Coach Chot maybe concerned of height discrepancies, so in their 1st game, they managed to field in big guards and Lebanon fielded-in a 3 guard combo (because Fadi El-Khatib didn't play), suddenly, the tables turned, RP NT had the upper hand on height but lost its former speed. :) I don't know about James Yap, he didn't play too, after seeing Don Don Hontiveros play good (with 3 pts, some steals and blocks) and Ren Ren Ritualo doing some damage, I don't think it would be fair to field in James Yap as replacement for this guards.

OMG..the final 12 is really intriguing.. :)

[aklanarcher]

its a good game for the TP except (again!) 3rd quarter...
fresh from the locker they came out COLD. (instead, why not stay at the court during half time and continue warming up?)
RENREN is proving something.. he should be included.
RAnidel and TONY? i missed them, as if they were not existing in the game... they are going somewhere...
Gabe and Kelly are really good... They should have a passport...

One thing is sure... LEBANON can win games without KHATIB. but its going to BE HARD. realy realy HARD....

UNLIKE THE PHILIPPINES... it can win games even without its top GUNS( I REPEAT GUNS, im referring to danny, mark and james)

so renren is in...

tony and ranidel are out...
who is the last one?

I agree. We should get infatuated with James Yap. Ren Ren is our true zone buster. Offtopic: Meloy, nice picture of Sue Bird you got there. She is one hot mama.

[snipes12]

the final pieces are

danny
hatfield

[JET007]

any updates on rafi reavis? we need an athletic and fast fil-african-american...

[meloy]

any updates on rafi reavis? we need an athletic and fast fil-african-american...
i think the final 12 will come from the current 15 only... NO CHANCE FOR sonny thoss (hes playing at the finals and rafy reavis hes injured) too bad the should have been a good addition...

[saints13]

the final pieces are

danny
hatfield

no chance in hell to field a wrestler in the RP NT right now :)

he opted to be out of the training pool because he's getting married..

so why insert him when he begged to be out.. :)

[protossdomain]

Manila Invitational day 1 for the RP

Gabe Norwood played..Tony dela Cruz played also..man, the team is gonna start from scratch with those new combinations back on fold.

I personally believe that Tony Dela Cruz and Eric Menk is dispensable on this final 12.. my opinion only...
OMG..the final 12 is really intriguing.. :)

It is not an opinion, it is a fact. Tony and Eric are not in any way essential to the team.

Tony just got back from an injury and should adjust again to Chot's system plus there's K Will... I think no one will contest this. >_<

Eric Eric Eric... Tsk... I've said enough of him. Better keep De Ocampo.

[warren99]

i watch hardball in ANC yesterday and they choose Renren Ritualo over James Yap. Renren is reall a shooter but lacks in defense while J.Yap is more defensive player. Gabe Norwood really has a problem.

[warren99]

Seigle back for RP five
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

DANNY Seigle, who sat out the Jones Cup in which the Philippines finished third place, returns to the national team when it plays Lebanon in the main 7:30 p.m. game of the four-nation Manila Invitational at The Arena in San Juan.

In the first game at 4:30 p.m., which follows the opening ceremonies one hour earlier, China plays a tough Syrian national team.

Coach Chot Reyes, who didn’t wish to risk his end-game finisher, who was recovering from a hamstring injury is looking to avenge the heartbreaking last-second shot loss to Lebanon in the Jones Cup in Chinese Taipei. But Reyes’ priority is to scout the opponents further and decide on the composition of the Philippine Team to the Fiba Asia Men’s Championship in Tokushima, Japan later this month, which will serve as a qualifier for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

Reyes said that the injury to James Yap, who was carried off the court in Taipei by Asi Taulava late in the second quarter, appears very slight, but it prevented him from making a final decision on the national team lineup. Reyes said he wanted to rest Yap for one week and then make a choice between Yap and another shooting star Renren Ritualo.

With the injury to Yap, Reyes said he will use the opportunity to play Tony de la Cruz, who has fully recovered from an ankle injury.

But Reyes revealed that “in my mind, I just like to play the 12 who will probably go except it will be Tony instead of James.”

The coach said he also “needs to keep playing Tony in case Gabe Norwood’s papers don’t come through.”

The United States National College Athletic Association Division I Fil-Am standout reportedly has to present one more document to be able to exercise the right to Philippine citizenship.

[sergio23]

J.Helterbrand
J.Alapag
M.Cagioua
R.Ritualo
G.Norwood
D.Siegle
K.Williams
S.Thoss
R.Reavis
A.Taulava
M.Pennisi
E.Menk
J.Washington
K.Raymundo
T.Dela Cruz

[Butata]

Let's put it this way: When Danny S. returns and Gabe is cleared, there will be very few minutes left after playing those two, Mark and Dondon. So who can give us more quality minutes off the deep, deep bench? I still believe that it's Renren (15 points in 19 mins. yesterday). :)

[JET007]

Let's put it this way: When Danny S. returns and Gabe is cleared, there will be very few minutes left after playing those two, Mark and Dondon. So who can give us more quality minutes off the deep, deep bench? I still believe that it's Renren (15 points in 19 mins. yesterday). :)
i think james has proven himself as an all around player (can slash inside, can shoot outside)...renren is good for clutch time...they both should be included...

[bolabasket]

J.Helterbrand
J.Alapag
M.Cagioua
R.Ritualo
G.Norwood
D.Siegle
K.Williams
S.Thoss
R.Reavis
A.Taulava
M.Pennisi
E.Menk
J.Washington
K.Raymundo
T.Dela Cruz

that's a 15-man line up

[saints13]

Let's put it this way: When Danny S. returns and Gabe is cleared, there will be very few minutes left after playing those two, Mark and Dondon. So who can give us more quality minutes off the deep, deep bench? I still believe that it's Renren (15 points in 19 mins. yesterday). :)

good observation bro :)

we really need players who can deliver off-the-bench because the line-up has so many starters to play with... Ren Ren has the role as the remedy off-the-bench.. about James Yap, he'll just take over what Ren Ren has always done, as an off-the-bench guy who should deliver immediately in less minutes...and to choose between them..I choose Ren Ren because he has been there from the start... :)

[JET007]

good observation bro :)

we really need players who can deliver off-the-bench because the line-up has so many starters to play with... Ren Ren has the role as the remedy off-the-bench.. about James Yap, he'll just take over what Ren Ren has always done, as an off-the-bench guy who should deliver immediately in less minutes...and to choose between them..I choose Ren Ren because he has been there from the start... :)
james yap and renren ritualo should both be included in the team...they are excellent 4th quarter players...
is there a player limit for fiba asia...only 12?

[saints13]

james yap and renren ritualo should both be included in the team...they are excellent 4th quarter players...
is there a player limit for fiba asia...only 12?

I guess they're strict about it..about the 12 man line-up. :)

or else, Coach Chot wouldn't bother sending more than 12 if that's the case.

[JET007]

I guess they're strict about it..about the 12 man line-up. :)

or else, Coach Chot wouldn't bother sending more than 12 if that's the case.
if theres no limit...chot wouldve included 25 PBA, UAAP, PBL, and NCAA players and create at least 5 diff starting lineups...we have a huge talent pool in RP:D:D:D...chot either chooses james yap(PBA CHAMPIONS MVP) or renren ritualo(FORMER PBA ROOKIE OF THE YEAR)...very hard choice!

[prince75]

After the game yesterday, Coach Chot must be in a difficult situation of whom to choose between renren or James. James is an all around player, can score, defend and is taller than Renren. But Renren is the Rain Man, when it rains it pours just like what he did yesterday. Kung in the ZOne lang nilalaro ni Renren, he could very well help the team as what he had shown against lebanon, if not for him we would have lost that game.

[JET007]

After the game yesterday, Coach Chot must be in a difficult situation of whom to choose between renren or James. James is an all around player, can score, defend and is taller than Renren. But Renren is the Rain Man, when it rains it pours just like what he did yesterday. Kung in the ZOne lang nilalaro ni Renren, he could very well help the team as what he had shown against lebanon, if not for him we would have lost that game.
good point...very hrd choice indeed!!!

[saints13]

After the game yesterday, Coach Chot must be in a difficult situation of whom to choose between renren or James. James is an all around player, can score, defend and is taller than Renren. But Renren is the Rain Man, when it rains it pours just like what he did yesterday. Kung in the ZOne lang nilalaro ni Renren, he could very well help the team as what he had shown against lebanon, if not for him we would have lost that game.

that's what Ritualo is all about. :D

kapag nagkamintis na e ilabas mo na, magsusunod-sunod na rin ang mintis for sure. :D

translation:
Ritualo is a streak shooter, he stops making shots when he already start missing a shot.

[Onizuka01]

that's what Ritualo is all about. :D

kapag nagkamintis na e ilabas mo na, magsusunod-sunod na rin ang mintis for sure. :D

translation:
Ritualo is a streak shooter, he stops making shots when he already start missing a shot.

I think many of the teams that RP NT has played already has scouted Ritualo but the playing time of Ritualo deceives the opponents at the same time. So it would be a test of mettle between 2 different teams (RP and the opposing team) Coaching ploys..

[meloy]

ranidel de ocampo i think is the most probably to be cut....
tony de la cruz is a likely replacement of gabe( if his papers cant make it in time for tokushima)


Another player i think will be available after the PBA FINALS.... thats what coach chot did when he add eric, james and kelly after the quarters....
I hope sonny thoss will be added... his a good replacement for eric menk or ranidel...

next player most likely to be cut is jj helterbrand....after a dismal game against lebanon...

[Onizuka01]

ranidel de ocampo i think is the most probably to be cut....
tony de la cruz is a likely replacement of gabe( if his papers cant make it in time for tokushima)


Another player i think will be available after the PBA FINALS.... thats what coach chot did when he add eric, james and kelly after the quarters....
I hope sonny thoss will be added... his a good replacement for eric menk or ranidel...

next player most likely to be cut is jj helterbrand....after a dismal game against lebanon...


I couldn't see a game wherein Ranidel de Ocampo proves his worth in RP NT, though there are times he played good w/ less playing time but for me he is inconsistent.. I could see that Eric Menk could take Ranidel's spot...

1 Danny Seigle
2 Asi Taulava
3 Mick Penissi
4 Kerby Raymundo
5 Kelly Williams
6 Mark Caguioa
7 Jimmy Alapag
8 Dondon Hontiveros
9 Jayjay Helterbrand
10 Eric Menk
11 Gabe Norwood / Tony de la Cruz (if Norwood's papers are not finished on time?)
12 Renren Ritualo / James Yap (between this 2? this one should be tough for Coach Chot)

[meloy]

points to ponder:

we were beaten by a china team B. which of course is win game if not for the last 2 minutes glitches.... how about china team A... (with a full potential players playing the likes of yao, wang, yi, sun, and other nba caliber players?) the possibility to win is to caught them at bad night while we played at a good night to simplify we can beat them in 2 out of 10 games.... then thats china 11th rank in the world... how about the europeans team? africans? and the americas? maybe everybody will say its okay to loss as long as we are in the OLYMPICS? and then what? i believe the sole objective of the game is to WIN... not to lose and smile and say its a good loss? and just be there.... IF TP CAN QUALIFY TO THE OLYMPICS, i think its should not stop there... they should win games...

lossing to B team(china B)? or a collegiate squad(japan)? or one man do-it-all team(lebanon and JOrdan)? or lowly team which has nothing but the tradition of beating TP(kazakhstan)?

have you guys think about that?

[reamily]

renren is not just a streak shooter hes the one designated to hit the shots no matter what time he is going to be inserted mala dale singson ng alaska noon sa smb

[DaveMap2007]

Winning a battle doesnt mean Winning the Whole War.....Chot is evil and systematic..evil that he is deceiving the enemy while observing their play, system and players, he is even making an atmosphere of making the philippines an easy enemy an underdog. even his country man are also affected (see for yourself)...systematic is he is very careful with his players he doesnt want them to burnout their energy and stamina and reserving it on the Japan Qualifiers, he wants to choose the best of them all, and he always have these secret formula hidden....lets wait and see

[saints13]

hopefully by Monday or next week..we'll know what's the final 12 will be :D

damn, they really need to choose asap, so that the 12 can work on team chemistry right away :)

hope they hire a chemist :D LOLZ

[warren99]

RP 12:
jimmy alapag
dondon hontiveros
gabe norwood(if he can play)
kelly williams
mark caguioa
danny seigle(if he can play)
asi taulava
mick pennisi
kerby raymundo
jayjay helterbrand
renren ritualo
one slot still available

[d'dreamer]

FIRST FIVE:
1. Alapag
2. Caguioa
3. D. Seigle
4. K. Williams
5. Taulava
Others:
Guard: (6) Hontiveros
(7) Helterbrand or J. Yap *if Helterbrand will be out, J.yap can help Alapag as back up and so is Norwood
(8) Ritualo
(9) Norwood
Forward/Center:
(10) R. de Ocampo or E. Menk *if R. De Ocampo will be out, E Menk can buffed up the line up but with due respect with R De Ocampo he is more potent offensively than E Menk
(11) Raymundo
(12) Mick Pennisi

[budz17]

post players:
taulava
penissi
raymundo
menk

versatile wingmen:
williams
seigle
norwood

our moneymen:D :
alapag
caguiao
helterbrand
yap
hontiveros

[QuickFox]

This is my RP Team

Asi Taulava
Kerby Raymundo
Danny Seigle
Ren Ritualo
Jimmy Alapag

Mick Pennisi
Eric Menk
Kelly Williams
Mark Caguioa
Gabe Norwood

Jayjay Helterbrand
Tony Dela Cruz

by the way
John Arigo 6'5" - i think this guy plays like gabe norwood - has good court vision... a shooter, a slasher and moves well without the ball. and a high flyer also. I like to see him play for the RP Team. He's just underrated in the PBA.

[eitra]

1. ASI TAULAVA-C
2. DANNY SEIGLE-F
3. KELLY WILLIAMS-F
4. MARK CAGUIOA-G
5. JIMMY ALAPAG-G
6. GABE NORWOOD-F/G
7. MICK PENNISI-C
8. DONDON HONTIVEROS-G/F
9. KIRBY RAYMUNDO-F
10. ERIC MENK-F
11. JAMES YAP-F/G
12. RENREN RITUALO-G

I dont include jj helterbrand bcoz maybe coach chot realize he need RITUALO and YAP than HELTERBRAND coz we got NORWOOD to back up ALAPAG. I see JJ as a scoring point guard not a pass first and we have MARK to be a emergency PG. C YAP pagpumutok mahirap bantayan at c JJ prone sa turnover..C RENREN pagmaiinit mahirap din so we dont know kung sino?

[zupermann]

First Five
PG-Alapag
SG-Caguiao
SF-Danny S
PF-Williams
C-Taulava

Other Seven
Ritualo - the only pure shooter we have, has to have him
Hontiveros - creates frustration from his defense, shooter, slasher
Norwood - Can do it all
Raymundo - Quickest big man we have, good mid range shooter
Yap - plays like Danny S and Caguiao
Menk - Rebounder/defender
Penissi - Just defend and grab rebounds!! ( wee need his height)

Reserves
Helterbrand - we already have too much Guards, sorry JJ
De Ocampo - good shooting range

[zupermann]

1. ASI TAULAVA-C
2. DANNY SEIGLE-F
3. KELLY WILLIAMS-F
4. MARK CAGUIOA-G
5. JIMMY ALAPAG-G
6. GABE NORWOOD-F/G
7. MICK PENNISI-C
8. DONDON HONTIVEROS-G/F
9. KIRBY RAYMUNDO-F
10. ERIC MENK-F
11. JAMES YAP-F/G
12. RENREN RITUALO-G

I dont include jj helterbrand bcoz maybe coach chot realize he need RITUALO and YAP than HELTERBRAND coz we got NORWOOD to back up ALAPAG. I see JJ as a scoring point guard not a pass first and we have MARK to be a emergency PG. C YAP pagpumutok mahirap bantayan at c JJ prone sa turnover..C RENREN pagmaiinit mahirap din so we dont know kung sino?

Did you read my mind? hehe

[budz17]

1. ASI TAULAVA-C
2. DANNY SEIGLE-F
3. KELLY WILLIAMS-F
4. MARK CAGUIOA-G
5. JIMMY ALAPAG-G
6. GABE NORWOOD-F/G
7. MICK PENNISI-C
8. DONDON HONTIVEROS-G/F
9. KIRBY RAYMUNDO-F
10. ERIC MENK-F
11. JAMES YAP-F/G
12. RENREN RITUALO-G

I dont include jj helterbrand bcoz maybe coach chot realize he need RITUALO and YAP than HELTERBRAND coz we got NORWOOD to back up ALAPAG. I see JJ as a scoring point guard not a pass first and we have MARK to be a emergency PG. C YAP pagpumutok mahirap bantayan at c JJ prone sa turnover..C RENREN pagmaiinit mahirap din so we dont know kung sino?

judging from today's game against iran, you have a point about jayjay. i was thinking the same, take both yap and ritualo to japan and leave jayjay.

[Project888]

LEAVING Jay-Jay?!!!! r u out of ur mind!!!! gabe can't be a pg!!! Jay-Jay is the leader in assist in the rp team!!! menk is the one who should not be included in the rp team!

[budz17]

LEAVING Jay-Jay?!!!! r u out of ur mind!!!! gabe can't be a pg!!! Jay-Jay is the leader in assist in the rp team!!! menk is the one who should not be included in the rp team!

I was thinking of that, leaving jayjay. FYI, norwood is a pointguard for george mason university. it was just a thought. he'll be going to japan though. in my opinion, menk will make the team. he's playing heavy minutes in the invitational, and he's playing very well. ritualo's in a dogfight with yap for a slot. ritualo's the better shooter, but yap can do more on the court than ritualo. ritualo only helps the team if he can score. after that, not much. he played well against syria, but I felt he hurt our team when he's not scoring, allowing syria to come back. he helped put syria away in the end though, with a fastbreak three and an assist to norwood for a dunk in transition.

[BURATIN]

I was thinking of that, leaving jayjay. FYI, norwood is a pointguard for george mason university. it was just a thought. he'll be going to japan though. in my opinion, menk will make the team. he's playing heavy minutes in the invitational, and he's playing very well. ritualo's in a dogfight with yap for a slot. ritualo's the better shooter, but yap can do more on the court than ritualo. ritualo only helps the team if he can score. after that, not much. he played well against syria, but I felt he hurt our team when he's not scoring, allowing syria to come back. he helped put syria away in the end though, with a fastbreak three and an assist to norwood for a dunk in transition.

well i think even if gabe plays PG in US, i still dont trust him about his ability to be a PG i'd rather let him be a SG than a PG:D :D :D :D

[zupermann]

LEAVING Jay-Jay?!!!! r u out of ur mind!!!! gabe can't be a pg!!! Jay-Jay is the leader in assist in the rp team!!! menk is the one who should not be included in the rp team!
JJ is a good PG, but there's no more room for him. He seemed like he was playing slow in Jones Cup. I'll take Rituallo over him

[BURATIN]

my 12:

pg-alapag, helterbrand
sg- caguioa, ritualo, norwood, hontiveros
sf- seigle, williams
pf-raymundo, menk
c- taulava, penissi


although these lineup could be interchangeable. norwood may play PG, williams or seigle may play PF, or even menk to play C position etc etc etc
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[snipes12]

My final Line up !

Starting 5

pg alapag
sg Caguioa
sf Danny Siegle
Pf Kelly williams
C Taulava

bench

pg helterbrand
sg hontiveros
sf norwood
pf raymundo (or menk)
C Pennisi

Sf Yap
Sg Ritualo

reserves:
De ocampo
dela cruz
Menk

[meloy]

last night game phi vs syria...
chot played only 11 players...

whats the problem with jay jay and mark?
Danny is not playing to avoid the risk of re injuring, and james is still hurting...

so two games straight for jayjay... i think he will be out... next to ranidel...

so the final 3 out is ranidel, jayjay, and THE LAST ONE STILL CONTESTED BETWEEN
1. GABE (a shoo in if he got his papers) its only 12 days remaining to japan
2. KELLY ( a shoo in also if he already has a passport)
3. JAMES YAP (INJURY????) can he make it in time?
4. TONY (will play if gabe cant)

[Project888]

jay-jay not playing for the rp team is the most stupid idea i ever heard!
we only got 2 pg! WTF is wrong with you! jay-jay can't play because to avoid scouting from the chinese, i think.

[meloy]

jay-jay not playing for the rp team is the most stupid idea i ever heard!
we only got 2 pg! WTF is wrong with you! jay-jay can't play because to avoid scouting from the chinese, i think.
its just my opinion base on 3 games... he played limited minutes against lebanon 0 points, then sat out the next two... BUT OF COURSE HES ONE OF THE BEST PGs its exactly the same reason his included in the pool of national players....and the other BEST are also at the team, SO he might STILL be included...

[saints13]

Gabe Norwood should know where Recto is before it's too late :)

he can have his documents there for less than a $100.

[phevergy]

pOSTED BY mELOY
its just my opinion base on 3 games... he played limited minutes against lebanon 0 points, then sat out the next two... BUT OF COURSE HES ONE OF THE BEST PGs its exactly the same reason his included in the pool of national players....and the other BEST are also at the team, SO he might STILL be included...

I agree!!! But i saw JJ having bags of ice on his right knee after their game against Lebanon.He's injured i might think ,that's why he didn't play on today's final game against Lebanon.

In my opinion,he might have a less chance to gain a ticket for the final 12 bec of Gabe Norwood who can match and defend well against taller pointguards of other Asian countries.The likes of Sam Dahglas,a 6'5 of Jordan,China and others.He can give stability on running the court everytime Alapag is guarded well.Such that,so,RP team can play big as well.Did u notice there were times that Mick and Asi played together to match up tall opponents?and it works for the RP team.I think we'll see more of that during Tokushima games.
But Jay2 is a very good pointguard as well.

[dandreb_lim]

I agree!!! But i saw JJ having bags of ice on his right knee after their game against Lebanon.He's injured i might think ,that's why he didn't play on today's final game against Lebanon.

In my opinion,he might have a less chance to gain a ticket for the final 12 bec of Gabe Norwood who can match and defend well against taller pointguards of other Asian countries.The likes of Sam Dahglas,a 6'5 of Jordan,China and others.He can give stability on running the court everytime Alapag is guarded well.Such that,so,RP team can play big as well.Did u notice there were times that Mick and Asi played together to match up tall opponents?and it works for the RP team.I think we'll see more of that during Tokushima games.
But Jay2 is a very good pointguard as well.


My final Team Pilipinas Line-up for Fiba-Asia Championships in Tokushima, Japan (based on the past weeks' performances):

Guards - Jimmy Alapag
jay-jay Helterbrand
Gabe Norwood (hope he can get his legal papers soon; otherwise,
he will be a big loss to the team)
Renren Ritualo
Dondon Hontiveros
James Yap (if he can get healed on time)
Mark Caguiao
Forwards - Kelly Williams (again, hope he can have his passport soon)
Danny Seigle (praying he could be reactivated ASAP)
Kerby Raymundo (for added ceiling)
Centers - Asi Taulava
Mick Pennisi (a back-up center for added ceiling; a good
outside shooter


Reasons for others' exclusion:

Ranidel de Ocampo - obviously, not so adapted to international brand of play; a good shooting big man but consistency is a lot to be desired
Tony dela Cruz - can be an option if and only if Norwood will not be available;a thinking shooter but again, not so adapted to pressure-packed, fast-paced international plays
Eric Menk - (sigh) - If only 100% fit and healthy, he would always be a shoo-in for the team; seemed so slow these days and had problems containing tall players from the other team.

[dandreb_lim]

Gabe Norwood should know where Recto is before it's too late :)

he can have his documents there for less than a $100.

Would it still be possible for Gabe to have his documents on time? I mean, he is such an important player for the team. We need him for stability and added ceiling in the backcourt rotations. As for Kelly, i think passports are readily available now in a short span of time (mostly true for special cases only)..

[JET007]

Ritualo and Yap...RP 4th QTR team...:)

[saints13]

Would it still be possible for Gabe to have his documents on time? I mean, he is such an important player for the team. We need him for stability and added ceiling in the backcourt rotations. As for Kelly, i think passports are readily available now in a short span of time (mostly true for special cases only)..

if Japan made a Sakuragi out of a true-blue Afro-American player :)
sounds crazy, that JJ Henderson had the name of the Anime superstar.
then Gabe Norwood can manage to arrange in papers in two weeks time.
the Philippines will not be intrigued by the inclusion of Gabe Norwood in the line-up, because the rest of Asia is doing naturalization, and Gabe Norwood claims to have Filipino ancestry, his mother is biologically Filipina who is already a green card holder, and his grandparents are from Pangasinan I believe, so he's just having technical problems. I wish the BI or whoever gov't agency wouldn't sleep on this one, let the kid play, or let him know where Recto is. :D LOL

[dandreb_lim]

if Japan made a Sakuragi out of a true-blue Afro-American player :)
sounds crazy, that JJ Henderson had the name of the Anime superstar.
then Gabe Norwood can manage to arrange in papers in two weeks time.
the Philippines will not be intrigued by the inclusion of Gabe Norwood in the line-up, because the rest of Asia is doing naturalization, and Gabe Norwood claims to have Filipino ancestry, his mother is biologically Filipina who is already a green card holder, and his grandparents are from Pangasinan I believe, so he's just having technical problems. I wish the BI or whoever gov't agency wouldn't sleep on this one, let the kid play, or let him know where Recto is. :D LOL

Well, i am one for that.. However, you'll never know the minds of the other countries especially so that the Philippines is back in the radar of international competitions.. Given the scenario that we will top the Tokushima joust (i pray so), and Gabe was able to play without a valid and legal papers to back up his citizenship, would it not pose a serious problem?
But i'm quite optimistic that the government will make a special proceeding for this one.. NATIONAL PRIDE IS AT STAKE..

[saints13]

Well, i am one for that.. However, you'll never know the minds of the other countries especially so that the Philippines is back in the radar of international competitions.. Given the scenario that we will top the Tokushima joust (i pray so), and Gabe was able to play without a valid and legal papers to back up his citizenship, would it not pose a serious problem?
But i'm quite optimistic that the government will make a special proceeding for this one.. NATIONAL PRIDE IS AT STAKE..

well, I think Gabe Norwood will not be as spectacular as the Little League RP team back in the 90's as far international intrigue is concerned :)

guys, kindly post some news about Gabe Norwood's papers. the way he smiles during games, I bet, he'll find a way out of this paper problem, or his lawyers will, or whoever is the handler of this kid will find out a way. :)

[JET007]

GABRIEL DANIEL NORWOOD - SF TEAM PHILIPPINES
Wow!!!:cool: This guy is good!!! If he makes the NBA, ill buy his jersey!!!:D
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb155/JET_TUAZON/art3a.jpg

[Project888]

THE BEST LINE UP FOR ME based on their performance:
C:asi,mick
PF: kelly,kerby
SF:danny, norwood
SG:mark,don2,james,ren
pg: jj,jimmy

but i think this is the lineup in chot's mind:
asi taulava
mick pennisi
eric menk(hate him but he has more min.'s than raniel, damn!)
kerby raymundo
danny siegle
kelly williams
gabe norwood
james yap/ren ren ritualo(but i think it will be james yap)
mark caguioa
dondon hontiveros
jimmy alapag
jay jay helterbrand

reserves:
ren ren ritualo/james yap(i think it will be ritualo)
raniel de ocampo
tony dela cruz

rp staff:
HC:chot reyes
Asst. coaches:
Jong Uichico
Tim Cone
Bingky Favis

well, i think that's it! i think that will be the final line up!

hope menk will do better in japan if he will be in the final line-up!

[saints13]

I remember from the time when Coach Chot was tasked to form the RP Team back then (about 3 years ago), fresh from the Coca-Cola championships, he said that "right now, Jay-Jay Helterbrand is the best guard in the business", I share his sentiment too, at that time, I'd choose JayJay over Jimmy, but the tables have turned now, looks like something is wrong with JayJay. :(

[thugpinoy]

PG - Alapag, Helterbrand
SG - Hontiveroz, Ritualo, Yap, Caguioa
SF - Siegle, Williams
PF - Raymundo, Menk
C - Taulava, Pennisi

RP NT's type of game is concentrating more on Speed and Outside Shooting not a showtime type of team.

those injuries by yap,siegle and jay jay should be fine in 10 days just in time for the tournament.
________
Sauber (http://www.bmw-tech.org/wiki/BMW_Sauber)

[psychopath]

PGs- helterbrand (hope he brings his "A" game in japan, he's tentative sumtyms)
alapag

SGs- caguioa (fearless inside like alapag, RP team hard to beat if he's on his element)
hontiveros

SFs- seigle (RP version of EL-Khatib)
norwood

PFs- williams (i see shawn marion in him lolz)
raymundo (i think he's less intimidated than de ocampo)

Cs- taulava (i dont know if its gud for him not to be agressive inside as wat he did in the manila invitationals)
Pennisi (i think chot needs to practice a pick&roll with pennisi, i think its a great weapon for RP coz when 2 guys guard alapag off a pick pennisi will be open for a shot outside)

11th/12th spots- yap - big boost
ritualo- big boost

im thinking of adding villanueva lately or another bigman who can help taulava inside
but fiba plays just 10mins per quarter and i dont think taulava wud gonna tire with dat as compared to the minutes he plays for TNT in the pba

plus the fact that reyes changes lineups/players almost every 5 minutes per quarter
so i think pennisi and taulava can make the job done inside

[bolabasket]

well, I think Gabe Norwood will not be as spectacular as the Little League RP team back in the 90's as far international intrigue is concerned :)

guys, kindly post some news about Gabe Norwood's papers. the way he smiles during games, I bet, he'll find a way out of this paper problem, or his lawyers will, or whoever is the handler of this kid will find out a way. :)

Japan beat us to the punch!

JR Henderson obtains Japan Citizenship

In a shocking development, 6-year JBL veteran center J.R. Henderson (206-F-76, agency: Paris Global Sports, college: UCLA) of the Aisin Sea Horses obtained Japanese citizenship last week and will suit up for the Japanese national team when they play in the upcoming FIBA Asia Championship from 7/28-8/5 in Tokushima prefecture. This tournament is the 2008 Beijing Olympic qualifier which means that the winner of the tournament will earn the right to represent Asia in the 2008 Summer Olympics along with the host country China.

Henderson, the former UCLA standout who was a member of the 1995 NCAA Championship team and played for the Vancouver Grizzlies of the NBA in the 1998-99 season, will be known as "Sakuragi J.R." from now on. His addition to the national team will no doubt boost Japan's chances of winning the tournament. Henderson had been working on obtaining Japanese citizenship for quite some time and it finally came to fruition last week. It'll be interesting to see how far Henderson/Sakuragi can take the Japanese national team.

source:
http://www.asia-basket.com/JPN/JPN.asp

[Burndvinyard]

its just my opinion base on 3 games... he played limited minutes against lebanon 0 points, then sat out the next two... BUT OF COURSE HES ONE OF THE BEST PGs its exactly the same reason his included in the pool of national players....and the other BEST are also at the team, SO he might STILL be included...

Coach Chot is holding off Jayjay Helterbrand's real purpose. Remember that the Caguioa-Helterbrand tandem will be one of Chot's offensive options, that he has interestingly not yet applied. Another weapon that Chot has not yet unleashed is the "all-quick-tall" 1st half line-up, supposedly to be composed of Taulava, Pennisi, Norwood, Williams, and Helterbrand.

[zuma169]

guys, if you take JJ out of the team, you don't realize that we are left with 1 point guard and that is jimmy alapag.. most of you say that gabe norwood will be the back up point guard.. but his role is a do-it-all type of a function.. JJ is the back up pointguard.. that is his role.. so he is really a lock.. he did not perform well in the manila tournament because he was a bit hurting but nothing serious.. if you have seen him play in the jones cup he did well!!! as a back up point guard, which is his role.. Alapag is pperforming very very extremely well in the RP team that is why JJ's performance is not being appreciated.. but overall he is a very good backup pointguard to jimmy..

we are doing the same mistake of having a shooting guard in the PBA be a pointguard for the national team once we take JJ out.. like in the BUSAN games..

as for tony delacruz, he is a very very good player, but it doesn't mean he can be part of the national team.. he is a very hardworker no doubt but that is not enough.. he is just 6'4" and at that height one must know how to dribble decently because more often than not he will also be a shooting guard.. he can't do it.. he is more of a play within the system and spot up midrange shooter.. lacks the versatility and athleticism of a williams and norwood which is very needed to go up against bigger guys!!!

having said these here is my final lineup:

C - Pennisi, Taulava
PF - Raymundo, Menk
SF - Seigle, Norwood, Williams
SG - Caguioa, Hontiveros, Ritualo (given that coach chot has specific instructions for the team to free him up for the three); but if not i'll go with Yap
PG - Helterbrand, Alapag

just my opinion..

[bolabasket]

I see dela Cruz getting limited playing time in the Manila Invitationals and everytime he's recalled to the bench, he just shakes his head....as if he's resigned to the fact that he's not doing well really.

[warren99]

Danny Seigle was expected to play sana sa Manila Invitational but he eventually got sprain?(sprained ankle ata?)So the coaching staff didn't hide Seigle from scouts.They just have a problem on how will Seigle gel or going to have chemistry with the players/new players(Kelly Williams...)They want Seigle to play in their last tune-up games(vs. Kuwait ata?)to see what can be the changes or maybe what can happened to the team if he is there.

[Burndvinyard]

Danny Seigle was expected to play sana sa Manila Invitational but he eventually got sprain?(sprained ankle ata?)So the coaching staff didn't hide Seigle from scouts.They just have a problem on how will Seigle gel or going to have chemistry with the players/new players(Kelly Williams...)They want Seigle to play in their last tune-up games(vs. Kuwait ata?)to see what can be the changes or maybe what can happened to the team if he is there.

deym, a tune-up game would be scary. danny seigle might worsen his injury. just like what happened years ago against qatar en route to busan. i'd rather not play seigle against kuwait if i am Chot:(

[bolabasket]

deym, a tune-up game would be scary. danny seigle might worsen his injury. just like what happened years ago against qatar en route to busan. i'd rather not play seigle against kuwait if i am Chot:(
Seigle didn't even join the practice/scrimmage by RP Team as shown in the TV.

[Burndvinyard]

Seigle didn't even join the practice/scrimmage by RP Team as shown in the TV.


that could be a ploy. but no, i saw seigle doing a jump shot in one of their practice games earlier prior to belgrade. i believe that's not being shown anymore on ABC.

[warren99]

I think he will play if he can play. Philstars' Nelson Beltran said Seigle join practice everyday during manila invitational.He got that sprained ankle in their practice last thursday yata.

[snipes12]

keys against china :

1. to Injure ,bully and hurt yao ming and yi as hard as possible without commiting any foul's and a technical (1. because they are committed to the nba and they want to avoid unneccessary injury outside of the league . they are 2 of the most important players in their nt and also nba aspirant sun yue)

2. Never be intimidated because we are much more hungrier team than them

[saints13]

keys against china :

1. to Injure ,bully and hurt yao ming and yi as hard as possible without commiting any foul's and a technical (1. because they are committed to the nba and they want to avoid unneccessary injury outside of the league . they are 2 of the most important players in their nt and also nba aspirant sun yue)

2. Never be intimidated because we are much more hungrier team than them

those players you mentioned will not be present in Tokushima :)

[sickcurtain_16]

Coach Chot is holding off Jayjay Helterbrand's real purpose. Remember that the Caguioa-Helterbrand tandem will be one of Chot's offensive options, that he has interestingly not yet applied. Another weapon that Chot has not yet unleashed is the "all-quick-tall" 1st half line-up, supposedly to be composed of Taulava, Pennisi, Norwood, Williams, and Helterbrand.


Hey, you've just unveiled our secret weapons. hehehehe. Anyway, there's not so much time left yet for the other teams to prepare for this one. hehehe.
Coach Chot might also field this combo:

Taulava, Williams, Seigle, Norwood, Caguioa.

Norwood, playing the point. It's still tall, having an average of 6'5" I think, and fast, really fast!

But then, it's still up to Coach Chot, he knows much much much much much much much times 10 to the nth power than me, on how to maximize the talent that he has. :D

[sickcurtain_16]

Japan beat us to the punch!

JR Henderson obtains Japan Citizenship

In a shocking development, 6-year JBL veteran center J.R. Henderson (206-F-76, agency: Paris Global Sports, college: UCLA) of the Aisin Sea Horses obtained Japanese citizenship last week and will suit up for the Japanese national team when they play in the upcoming FIBA Asia Championship from 7/28-8/5 in Tokushima prefecture. This tournament is the 2008 Beijing Olympic qualifier which means that the winner of the tournament will earn the right to represent Asia in the 2008 Summer Olympics along with the host country China.

Henderson, the former UCLA standout who was a member of the 1995 NCAA Championship team and played for the Vancouver Grizzlies of the NBA in the 1998-99 season, will be known as "Sakuragi J.R." from now on. His addition to the national team will no doubt boost Japan's chances of winning the tournament. Henderson had been working on obtaining Japanese citizenship for quite some time and it finally came to fruition last week. It'll be interesting to see how far Henderson/Sakuragi can take the Japanese national team.

source:
http://www.asia-basket.com/JPN/JPN.asp

Wow, they already got SAKURAGI. I hope they won't be able to acquire AKAGI, SENDO, MAKI, RUKAWA and HANAGATA.:D

I am also hoping that we won't be facing this home team on any of our critical games. As we all know, Japan is RP's "kontrapelo" team. We always have a hard time beating these guys.

[ctongco]

Wow, they already got SAKURAGI. I hope they won't be able to acquire AKAGI, SENDO, MAKI, RUKAWA and HANAGATA.:D

I am also hoping that we won't be facing this home team on any of our critical games. As we all know, Japan is RP's "kontrapelo" team. We always have a hard time beating these guys.


Don't forget we also find it hard to beat Kazakhstan.

[sickcurtain_16]

Yeah I know. I think I mentioned already in my other posts that Kazakhs and Japanese are our Kontrapelo teams.

About our team, well, I can compare Kerby Raymundo's previous game to be a lot like Tim Duncan, though not at his level of course. He was very good moving around without the ball, and he's getting good passes and free shots under the basket. And he's now showing that perimeter turn-around semi-fade away jumper. That's very effective against those tall guys.

[pinoyballer]

Chot’s dilemma: Who’s in, who’s out?
By Nelson Beltran
Tuesday, July 17, 2007

National coach Chot Reyes is hard-pressed to name the final roster of the SMC-Team Pilipinas with two injured players on the mend and two more still to complete the needed travel documents for the FIBA-Asia Olympic qualifier in Tokushima, Japan from July 28-Aug. 5.

Fil-Am ace Gabe Norwood has yet to complete all the necessary papers for the trip while Kelly Williams, another Fil-Am, applied for a Philippine passport only last Friday despite being cleared earlier by the Bureau of Immigration and the Department of Justice.

Danny Seigle and James Yap, meanwhile, are still hurting nine days before the team’s scheduled departure for Japan.

But judging the way Reyes used his players in the Jones Cup and in the Manila Invitationals, those who are shoo-ins in the team are Asi Taulava, Jimmy Alapag, Mark Caguioa, Dondon Hontiveros, Jayjay Helterbrand, Kerby Raymundo, Eric Menk, Mick Pennisi and Williams.

Seigle missed the Jones Cup and the Manila Invitationals but he’s likely to be the team’s top gun in Tokushima. He said his injury is nothing serious. Norwood is also a cinch for the team if only he could obtain an RP passport in time. Otherwise, Tony dela Cruz is expected to get his slot.

The last berth is a toss-up between Renren Ritualo and James Yap.

Reyes said he can afford to make more adjustments on player combinations as they play Kuwait in a pair of tuneup matches Friday and Saturday.

But whatever lineup he gets from the pool, Reyes is confident they can compete with any team in Tokushima. “We’ll be in full throttle in Japan. With a little stroke of luck, we can win the championship,”said Reyes at the close of the four-nation Manila Invitational where they beat Lebanon for the crown.

[karim]

hey just a question for the pinoys , do u guys have any pure philipinos on your team ?? not philipino/americans or philipinos/tongans or philipinos/australian.......like in lebanon we have vogel naturalized and beshara is a lebanese/american only these 2.........ali mahmoud and turk are said to be lebanese/canadian but they lived their whole life in lebanon just 3 years in canada thats why they also have a canadian passport(very easy to get canadian passport) , in an interview with alapag his accent sounded american....is he also philipinos/american also ?......the only pure philipinos by looks i,ve seen are Kerbie and helterbrand i think...and before i hear criticizm about lebanese players ........khatib,fahd,roy,ali,turk,mazen,tawbeh.nour ,ali f,balaa are all 100% lebanese,beshara is lebanese/american kind of like 10/12 pinoys and vogel is the legal naturalized player.......so can anyone tell me who other than kerbie and helterbrand is a pure filipino ? someone who has been raised and played bball in philippines ,not an american/australian/tongan gotten from the states cuz of him having philipino roots or marrying a philipino.........

[rensquared]

Wow, they already got SAKURAGI. I hope they won't be able to acquire AKAGI, SENDO, MAKI, RUKAWA and HANAGATA.:D


They should acquire Fujima, Mitsui, Miyagi, and Jin too.. hehehehe

[rensquared]

hey just a question for the pinoys , do u guys have any pure philipinos on your team ?? not philipino/americans or philipinos/tongans or philipinos/australian.......like in lebanon we have vogel naturalized and beshara is a lebanese/american only these 2.........ali mahmoud and turk are said to be lebanese/canadian but they lived their whole life in lebanon just 3 years in canada thats why they also have a canadian passport(very easy to get canadian passport) , in an interview with alapag his accent sounded american....is he also philipinos/american also ?......the only pure philipinos by looks i,ve seen are Kerbie and helterbrand i think...and before i hear criticizm about lebanese players ........khatib,fahd,roy,ali,turk,mazen,tawbeh.nour ,ali f,balaa are all 100% lebanese,beshara is lebanese/american kind of like 10/12 pinoys and vogel is the legal naturalized player.......so can anyone tell me who other than kerbie and helterbrand is a pure filipino ? someone who has been raised and played bball in philippines ,not an american/australian/tongan gotten from the states cuz of him having philipino roots or marrying a philipino.........

DonDOn Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo, RenRen Ritualo, Ranidel De Ocampo... I think Cagiuoa and Helterbrand was born here and just migrated to the states.. Not sure though..

[phevergy]

Orig posted by karim
hey just a question for the pinoys , do u guys have any pure philipinos on your team ?? not philipino/americans or philipinos/tongans or philipinos/australian.......like in lebanon we have vogel naturalized and beshara is a lebanese/american only these 2.........ali mahmoud and turk are said to be lebanese/canadian but they lived their whole life in lebanon just 3 years in canada thats why they also have a canadian passport(very easy to get canadian passport) , in an interview with alapag his accent sounded american....is he also philipinos/american also ?......the only pure philipinos by looks i,ve seen are Kerbie and helterbrand i think...and before i hear criticizm about lebanese players ........khatib,fahd,roy,ali,turk,mazen,tawbeh.nour ,ali f,balaa are all 100% lebanese,beshara is lebanese/american kind of like 10/12 pinoys and vogel is the legal naturalized player.......so can anyone tell me who other than kerbie and helterbrand is a pure filipino ? someone who has been raised and played bball in philippines ,not an american/australian/tongan gotten from the states cuz of him having philipino roots or marrying a philipino.........

Philippines has a good ties with the US eversince we were born.That's the reason why many pinoys went abroad esp to US then comeback here for the love of the country.U can see more of that accent here in pinoys...esp in those who works in a call center.Pinoy can easily adapt other accent/lunguages but since English/american is more popular here we opt to chose american english.Alapag is a pure pinoy...it's obvious on his looks and height.Kerbie raymundo is pure pinoy also.Half-blooded pinoys are:Penissi,Taulava,Williams,Norwood.The rest are pure pinoys.As discussed this a long time ago on this forum...THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PURE PINOY!!!wE'RE ALL MIXED BLOOD....maybe that's the reason why our country isn't united esp when it comes to politics.:)

[bolabasket]

DonDOn Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo, RenRen Ritualo, Ranidel De Ocampo... I think Cagiuoa and Helterbrand was born here and just migrated to the states.. Not sure though..
Jimmy Alapag has full Filipino blood but was born and raised in the US. Mark Caguioa and Jayjay Helterbrand were born here in Philippines but raised in the US. Danny Seigle, Mick Pennisi, Kelly Williams, Asi Taulava, Tony dela Cruz and Eric Menk all have Filipina mothers. Yap, Hontiveros, Raymundo, Ritualo and de Ocampo were raised here in Philippines. Gabe Norwood's grandparents are full-blooded Filipinos who migrated to Hawaii in the 1970s.

[JET007]

DonDOn Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo, RenRen Ritualo, Ranidel De Ocampo... I think Cagiuoa and Helterbrand was born here and just migrated to the states.. Not sure though..
Most, if not all filipinos are mixed. Like me i have chinese blood, others have american, spanish, japanese, german blood...etc.
Being a pure filipino is not about our blood most of the time, its about our way of life, attitude and values that makes us true FILIPINO(not philippino karim...:D)

The only true full blooded pinoys are the tribes in the mountains!!!

[bolabasket]

Filipinos are descendants of a mixed race among Spanish, Chinese, American, Malay and some Indian ancestry. We were under Spain from year 1521 up to 1898 (almost 400 years), hence our Spanish sounding names. From 1898 to 1946 (almost 50 years), we were under United States. In those years, many inter-marriage occurred among locals and foreign. The Malay race came from adjacent countries like Malaysia and Indonesia. The Chinese came for trading, so with the Indians. They started trading since the Spanish times. Most of these traders settled in the Philippines. Hence, the Filipino today is a descendant of mixed ancestry.

[rycorpz]

hey just a question for the pinoys , do u guys have any pure philipinos on your team ?? not philipino/americans or philipinos/tongans or philipinos/australian.......like in lebanon we have vogel naturalized and beshara is a lebanese/american only these 2.........ali mahmoud and turk are said to be lebanese/canadian but they lived their whole life in lebanon just 3 years in canada thats why they also have a canadian passport(very easy to get canadian passport) , in an interview with alapag his accent sounded american....is he also philipinos/american also ?......the only pure philipinos by looks i,ve seen are Kerbie and helterbrand i think...and before i hear criticizm about lebanese players ........khatib,fahd,roy,ali,turk,mazen,tawbeh.nour ,ali f,balaa are all 100% lebanese,beshara is lebanese/american kind of like 10/12 pinoys and vogel is the legal naturalized player.......so can anyone tell me who other than kerbie and helterbrand is a pure filipino ? someone who has been raised and played bball in philippines ,not an american/australian/tongan gotten from the states cuz of him having philipino roots or marrying a philipino.........
Jimmy's mother is an american his father is a filipino, along with is half bred teamates are Eric Menk(mother fil - father american), Kelly Williams (mother fil - father american), Tony Dela Cruz(mother american - father - fil). well we all know asi is a half tongan half filipno. the homegrown filipinos are Kerby Raymundo, Ranidel de Ocampo, Don Don Hontiveros, Ren Ren Ritualo, James Yap. Mark Caguioa and Jay jay Helterbrand are 100% filipino too but they migrated to U.S.

[rycorpz]

Couldn't agree more speaking of call centers and accent for every language needed ;)

[sickcurtain_16]

Most, if not all filipinos are mixed. Like me i have chinese blood, others have american, spanish, japanese, german blood...etc.
Being a pure filipino is not about our blood most of the time, its about our way of life, attitude and values that makes us true FILIPINO(not philippino karim...:D)

The only true full blooded pinoys are the tribes in the mountains!!!

I think the Aetas also came from our neighboring countries here in South East Asia,hehehehe.

Maybe, what he just want to know is if any of our players are born and raised here in our country. Most of our players were born here. Just refer to the previous posts. Most of them have both parents who are both Filipino Citizens.

[bolabasket]

Reyes still can't figure out final RP five roster
By Noli Cortez, Malaya Online Edition
July 17, 2007

It's easy to see why coach Chot Reyes is being likened to a general going to battle without a real, concrete stock of his armory.

Eleven days before the San Miguel-Pilipinas Team competes in the FIBA-Asia Men's championship in Tokushima, Japan, Reyes is still finding it hard to come up with his final 12-man roster, his choices being clouded by various reasons.

Of late, Reyes sounded like he really wants Danny Seigle and James Yap to be included in the team but couldn't say so just yet, in part because there are no clear indications the two can recover from their injuries before the tourney gets going.

Fil-Ams Gabe Norwood and Kelly Williams also appear to have a lock on the team, but they have yet to get their hands on Philippine passports. In the Jones Cup in Chinese-Taipei, Williams used his American passport. Norwood, on the other hand, is still in the process of certifying his Filipino lineage.

"We're still in the same situation now as we were a couple of days ago," Reyes said after the Nationals ruled the Smart 4-National Manila Invitationals Sunday night.

"At this point, it's very hard to announce the line-up," he said. "We'd like to announce it, and even the players are requesting (that we announce it). But I simply cannot do that because there are many variables."

Of the four, Williams looks to have the clearest shot at fixing his problem. The Sta. Lucia Realty forward who won the PBA Rookie of the Year honors last Friday had already applied for a Philippine passport and is only awaiting its release, according to Reyes.

Seigle, whom Reyes said could be the country's best closer, especially in close games, still has to fully recover from a hamstring injury while Yap is still recuperating from a twisted left ankle in the Jones Cup.

"We need to play games with Seigle in the line-up," said Reyes. "Hindi pa nga naglalaro together si Seigle at si Williams, si Seigle at si (Eric) Menk."

Norwood's case seems to be the biggest concern.

"There is still no confirmation of Norwood's papers," Reyes said.

The 6-foot-6 George Mason U stalwart must acquire clearance from the Department of Justice and then obtain a Philippine passport to be able to play in Japan.

If not, Anthony dela Cruz, who is also recuperating from injury, will have a big hole to fill.

Reyes has described Norwood as a do-it-all guy, a player who can create situations while being a big contributor on both ends of the floor.

"Norwood gives us many dimensions," said Reyes. "He's an extra point guard, a big point guard, an extra defender, a wingman. Whatever you need him to be he's ready to do it."

What makes matters more difficult for Reyes is the fact that Mark Caguioa and Jay-Jay Helterbrand have also suffered injuries. Helterbrand strained his left calf muscle while Caguioa is suffering from knee tendonitis, the reason why the Ginebra guard played only two games in the Manila Invitationals.

One of the players assured of getting a slot in the team is Jimmy Alapag, the team's smallest man who more than proved his worth by winning the Most Valuable Player award in the Invitationals, beating the likes of Fadi El Khatib and Joseph Vogel of runner-up Lebanon and Michael Madanly of third placer Syria.

Dondon Hontiveros, Purefoods' Kerby Raymundo, Asi Taulava and Mick Pennisi are considered a cinch to make it to the team bidding to top the July 28-Aug. 5 tilt in Japan where a spot in next year's Beijing Olympics is up for grabs.

Problems aside, Reyes has been elated by the tremendous leap the team has made from a disorganized lot last March into the Invitational champion. He has termed the difference as "night and day."

He believes, however, that luck should also be factored in.

"I think we have the game to compete in Japan," he said. "But can we win it? I don't know. Winning championships is a confluence of good play and good fortune. At least hopefully 50 percent of that situation will be taken cared of.

"Ang feeling ko, pagdating sa August, pag sinamahan ng konting swerte, may pag-asa tayo."

The nationals will leave for Japan Wednesday next week.

Reyes said he and the coaching staff, which includes former RP team coach Jong Uichico, are focusing on SMC-Pilipinas' first three games in the opening round in Japan, where the Nationals are bracketed in the "Group of Death" with China, Iran and Jordan.

The nationals had met all three teams the weeks past. First were the Iranians in the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran in a tune-up game last April, the Jordanians in the Jones Cup in Taipei and the Chinese last Friday in the Invitationals.

The nationals dropped all three games, but gained valuable lessons against their opponents, according to Reyes, in particular the team's ability to contain defend-the-ball screens, rebounding and a little more refinement in execution. In the Jones Cup, the Nationals beat the Iranians.

"Hopefully those will be addressed in the last week or two of practice. When we leave we want to arrive in Japan and have two practices that are just really run-throughs. But we should be really at the top of our game when we get there," he said.

[JET007]

Reyes still can't figure out final RP five roster
By Noli Cortez, Malaya Online Edition
July 17, 2007

It's easy to see why coach Chot Reyes is being likened to a general going to battle without a real, concrete stock of his armory.

Eleven days before the San Miguel-Pilipinas Team competes in the FIBA-Asia Men's championship in Tokushima, Japan, Reyes is still finding it hard to come up with his final 12-man roster, his choices being clouded by various reasons.

Of late, Reyes sounded like he really wants Danny Seigle and James Yap to be included in the team but couldn't say so just yet, in part because there are no clear indications the two can recover from their injuries before the tourney gets going.

Fil-Ams Gabe Norwood and Kelly Williams also appear to have a lock on the team, but they have yet to get their hands on Philippine passports. In the Jones Cup in Chinese-Taipei, Williams used his American passport. Norwood, on the other hand, is still in the process of certifying his Filipino lineage.

"We're still in the same situation now as we were a couple of days ago," Reyes said after the Nationals ruled the Smart 4-National Manila Invitationals Sunday night.

"At this point, it's very hard to announce the line-up," he said. "We'd like to announce it, and even the players are requesting (that we announce it). But I simply cannot do that because there are many variables."

Of the four, Williams looks to have the clearest shot at fixing his problem. The Sta. Lucia Realty forward who won the PBA Rookie of the Year honors last Friday had already applied for a Philippine passport and is only awaiting its release, according to Reyes.

Seigle, whom Reyes said could be the country's best closer, especially in close games, still has to fully recover from a hamstring injury while Yap is still recuperating from a twisted left ankle in the Jones Cup.

"We need to play games with Seigle in the line-up," said Reyes. "Hindi pa nga naglalaro together si Seigle at si Williams, si Seigle at si (Eric) Menk."

Norwood's case seems to be the biggest concern.

"There is still no confirmation of Norwood's papers," Reyes said.

The 6-foot-6 George Mason U stalwart must acquire clearance from the Department of Justice and then obtain a Philippine passport to be able to play in Japan.

If not, Anthony dela Cruz, who is also recuperating from injury, will have a big hole to fill.

Reyes has described Norwood as a do-it-all guy, a player who can create situations while being a big contributor on both ends of the floor.

"Norwood gives us many dimensions," said Reyes. "He's an extra point guard, a big point guard, an extra defender, a wingman. Whatever you need him to be he's ready to do it."

What makes matters more difficult for Reyes is the fact that Mark Caguioa and Jay-Jay Helterbrand have also suffered injuries. Helterbrand strained his left calf muscle while Caguioa is suffering from knee tendonitis, the reason why the Ginebra guard played only two games in the Manila Invitationals.

One of the players assured of getting a slot in the team is Jimmy Alapag, the team's smallest man who more than proved his worth by winning the Most Valuable Player award in the Invitationals, beating the likes of Fadi El Khatib and Joseph Vogel of runner-up Lebanon and Michael Madanly of third placer Syria.

Dondon Hontiveros, Purefoods' Kerby Raymundo, Asi Taulava and Mick Pennisi are considered a cinch to make it to the team bidding to top the July 28-Aug. 5 tilt in Japan where a spot in next year's Beijing Olympics is up for grabs.

Problems aside, Reyes has been elated by the tremendous leap the team has made from a disorganized lot last March into the Invitational champion. He has termed the difference as "night and day."

He believes, however, that luck should also be factored in.

"I think we have the game to compete in Japan," he said. "But can we win it? I don't know. Winning championships is a confluence of good play and good fortune. At least hopefully 50 percent of that situation will be taken cared of.

"Ang feeling ko, pagdating sa August, pag sinamahan ng konting swerte, may pag-asa tayo."

The nationals will leave for Japan Wednesday next week.

Reyes said he and the coaching staff, which includes former RP team coach Jong Uichico, are focusing on SMC-Pilipinas' first three games in the opening round in Japan, where the Nationals are bracketed in the "Group of Death" with China, Iran and Jordan.

The nationals had met all three teams the weeks past. First were the Iranians in the FIBA-Asia Champions Cup in Tehran in a tune-up game last April, the Jordanians in the Jones Cup in Taipei and the Chinese last Friday in the Invitationals.

The nationals dropped all three games, but gained valuable lessons against their opponents, according to Reyes, in particular the team's ability to contain defend-the-ball screens, rebounding and a little more refinement in execution. In the Jones Cup, the Nationals beat the Iranians.

"Hopefully those will be addressed in the last week or two of practice. When we leave we want to arrive in Japan and have two practices that are just really run-throughs. But we should be really at the top of our game when we get there," he said.
yes! seigle, yap and norwood for rp 07!!!:cool:

[saints13]

hmmm...the drama never ends :)

let's follow this one..the RP NT final 12 the movie..lolz :D goodluck..may they recover soon.. and their passport problems be solved soon.. :D

[rensquared]

I really hope KElly and Gabe can fix their papers and passports on tym.. Danny, James, Mark, and Jay2 on the other hand will hopefully recover soon from their injuries.... GODSPEED EVERYONE

[MasterChip2000]

DonDOn Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo, RenRen Ritualo, Ranidel De Ocampo... I think Cagiuoa and Helterbrand was born here and just migrated to the states.. Not sure though..

Its true Caguioa, Helterbrand and Alapag are all pure Filipino. They just migrated in States. Caguioa at Helterbrand eh taga San Juan Manila

[MasterChip2000]

hey just a question for the pinoys , do u guys have any pure philipinos on your team ?? not philipino/americans or philipinos/tongans or philipinos/australian.......like in lebanon we have vogel naturalized and beshara is a lebanese/american only these 2.........ali mahmoud and turk are said to be lebanese/canadian but they lived their whole life in lebanon just 3 years in canada thats why they also have a canadian passport(very easy to get canadian passport) , in an interview with alapag his accent sounded american....is he also philipinos/american also ?......the only pure philipinos by looks i,ve seen are Kerbie and helterbrand i think...and before i hear criticizm about lebanese players ........khatib,fahd,roy,ali,turk,mazen,tawbeh.nour ,ali f,balaa are all 100% lebanese,beshara is lebanese/american kind of like 10/12 pinoys and vogel is the legal naturalized player.......so can anyone tell me who other than kerbie and helterbrand is a pure filipino ? someone who has been raised and played bball in philippines ,not an american/australian/tongan gotten from the states cuz of him having philipino roots or marrying a philipino.........


Pure Filipino blood - Alapag, Ritualo, Caguioa, Hontiveros, Yap, Helterbrand, Kerbie Raymundo and Randinel.

Alapag , Caguioa and Helterbrand (just migrated in US and took their High School and College education)

[apiSigbinz]

at this point in time, i think Coach Chot already has his final 12 and 2 or 3 reserves depending on SMC's approval... their games against Kuwait would be their final tune up games and that should include their final roster...

[meloy]

i think chot already have the final 12...
the shoo ins

1. asi
2. mick
3. mark
4. jimmy
5. kerby
6. dondon
7. danny
8. eric

[DiegoClang]

Pure Filipino blood - Alapag, Ritualo, Caguioa, Hontiveros, Yap, Helterbrand, Kerbie Raymundo and Randinel.

Alapag , Caguioa and Helterbrand (just migrated in US and took their High School and College education)

there's no such thing as pure filipino blood...well, there is if ur talking about the aetas and others from our indegenous tribes.;)

all of us have drops of... chinese or american or spanish or arab or indian or what have u... blood in us.

[sickcurtain_16]

i think chot already have the final 12...
the shoo ins

1. asi
2. mick
3. mark
4. jimmy
5. kerby
6. dondon
7. danny
8. eric

Personally, I dont think that ERIC MENK should be a shooin. But he still can be included in the final 12. But not a shoo in.

[pinoyballer]

From a Beltran article, here's the final lineup:

Asi Taulava
Jimmy Alapag
Mark Caguioa
Dondon Hontiveros
Jayjay Helterbrand
Kerby Raymundo
Eric Menk
Mick Pennisi
Kelly Williams
Danny Seigle
Gabe Norwood (Tony dela Cruz if not qualified)
Renren Ritualo or James Yap

[MasterChip2000]

there's no such thing as pure filipino blood...well, there is if ur talking about the aetas and others from our indegenous tribes.;)

all of us have drops of... chinese or american or spanish or arab or indian or what have u... blood in us.


oo alam ko yang ibig mo sabihin, but i believe you know what i mean sa sinabi kong pure filipino blood na tinutukoy ko about sa mga player natin.

[rycorpz]

there's no such thing as pure filipino blood...well, there is if ur talking about the aetas and others from our indegenous tribes.;)

all of us have drops of... chinese or american or spanish or arab or indian or what have u... blood in us.
Dude as long as our team didn't break any rules of FIBA as long as they comply the rules in national team line-up. I'm proud of them because our team don't have a naturalize player, although half of the team are half bred as long as they have filipino lineage, ancestry and blood. Let's support our team GO TEAM PILIPINAS

[DiegoClang]

Dude as long as our team didn't break any rules of FIBA as long as they comply the rules in national team line-up. I'm proud of them because our team don't have a naturalize player, although half of the team are half bred as long as they have filipino lineage, ancestry and blood. Let's support our team GO TEAM PILIPINAS

i think ur calling out the wrong person dude...what ur saying is precisely what i'm trying to say...that as long as they have filipino blood in them, then they are Filpinos.

[mara]

Looks good but I prefer Ritualo over Yap any day.
i do prefer ritualo as the shooting guard. in my book he is the best. attitude and all.

[mara]

I think the Aetas also came from our neighboring countries here in South East Asia,hehehehe.

Maybe, what he just want to know is if any of our players are born and raised here in our country. Most of our players were born here. Just refer to the previous posts. Most of them have both parents who are both Filipino Citizens.

i know ren ren ritualo is a true blooded filipino. born, raised and educated in the philippines. kaya lang green ang kulay niya.

[snipes12]

i know ren ren ritualo is a true blooded filipino. born, raised and educated in the philippines. kaya lang green ang kulay niya.

http://images10.blueskyfrog.com/previews/405416.jpg

wtf?? :eek:

[ctongco]

Our chances of winning FIBA-Asia Championship 2007 might increase significantly if we added Chris Bolado to our current National Team. :D

[b3lowzro]

i know ren ren ritualo is a true blooded filipino. born, raised and educated in the philippines. kaya lang green ang kulay niya.

so what if he's green... DLSU is still a school here in the PH right?
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[saints13]

so what if he's green... DLSU is still a school here in the PH right?

the green thing was only a joke. I remember when he was just a freshman in DLSU, people have this streamers of an Alien's head.hehe.

btw, Ritualo is a true-blue Pinoy his father was a former PBA player, Florendo Ritualo Sr. :D

[meloy]

Our chances of winning FIBA-Asia Championship 2007 might increase significantly if we added Chris Bolado to our current National Team. :D
raul dillo for added intimidation...hehehehe:eek:

[ctongco]

raul dillo for added intimidation...hehehehe:eek:


Chris "The Lucky Charm" Bolado alone will do. :D

[rensquared]

Our chances of winning FIBA-Asia Championship 2007 might increase significantly if we added Chris Bolado to our current National Team. :D

Rudy Distrito for more phisicality..

[rycorpz]

Off Topic:

How about we send a cheering squad Diana Zubiri, Katrina Halili, Phoemela Baranda Anna Leah Javier in pom pom suits to persuade the mindset of the opposition :)

[meloy]

Off Topic:

How about we send a cheering squad Diana Zubiri, Katrina Halili, Phoemela Baranda Anna Leah Javier in pom pom suits to persuade the mindset of the opposition :)
a good idea... hehehehehehe:p
but i think they need to practice for their dance routine so im suggesting SEXBOMB GIRLS OR EB BABE OR 26 K. hehehehehe


translation: wala lang ma ipost hehehe

[igorotski]

a good idea... hehehehehehe:p
but i think they need to practice for their dance routine so im suggesting SEXBOMB GIRLS OR EB BABE OR 26 K. hehehehehe


translation: wala lang ma ipost hehehe

people might think Philippines is a slut-land. sorry sexbomb fans but we might jus look cheap from their moves and f*ckin voices. how abt a university cheering squad?

[RetiredJordanStopper]

Gabe Norwood was able to submit the final documentary requirements to the Department of Justice yesterday. Reportedly, he was even accompanied by PBA Commissioner Noli Eala.

Well..this was originally posted at PEX and at MyPBA forums..so it must be true

[bolabasket]

Gabe Norwood was able to submit the final documentary requirements to the Department of Justice yesterday. Reportedly, he was even accompanied by PBA Commissioner Noli Eala.

Well..this was originally posted at PEX and at MyPBA forums..so it must be true
ALLELUIA!!!

[rycorpz]

just in a nick of time norwood is in how about kelly

[viperbravo]

just in a nick of time norwood is in how about kelly

There are reports that Kelly Williams can get here passport within this week..

[saints13]

Off Topic:

How about we send a cheering squad Diana Zubiri, Katrina Halili, Phoemela Baranda Anna Leah Javier in pom pom suits to persuade the mindset of the opposition :)

it may fireback! :D

baka mga RP NT players pa ang mailang :D LOLZ

[snipes12]

There are reports that Kelly Williams can get here passport within this week..
how about danny siegle?

[budz17]

its easy and fast to get a philippines passport if you have all the necessary documents. you can have it as fast as 3 days (express) after submitting all the documents. in the case of our players, it will be even quicker if they have all papers, as their cases are extraordinary...cheers.

[ctongco]

Gabe Norwood was able to submit the final documentary requirements to the Department of Justice yesterday. Reportedly, he was even accompanied by PBA Commissioner Noli Eala.

Well..this was originally posted at PEX and at MyPBA forums..so it must be true


There was an article that said it was Mr. Pat Gregorio who accompanied Gabe. In any case, I'm glad he was able to submit his papers this week.

[ctongco]

it may fireback! :D

baka mga RP NT players pa ang mailang :D LOLZ



:D :D :D :D

[norwood]

Better late than never...Let me cast my vote first..before the main topic goes to diverted :)
Gabe Norwood----SwingMan,SG or PointGuard
Asi Taulava----Legitimate Ctr
Mark Caguioa--SG
Danny Seigle--SwingMan
Mick Penissi---Back up Ctr
Ren2x Ritualo--Shooting Guard
Don2x Hontiveros--Shooting Guard
Jimmy Alapg--Main Point Guard
Erik Menk--PF
Kerby Raymundo--PF
Kelly Williams--PF, Swingman
JJ Helterbrand --Back up PG
James Yap >> I think he cannot make it...but I hope, he gets ok when the PBA start a new season ALL Filipino?:D

Long LIve Filipinas!

[RayV]

Final 12 for me?

C-Asi Taulava
C-Mick Pennisi
F-Ranidel de Ocampo
F-Kerby Raymundo
F-Danny Siegle
F-Kelly Williams
F-Gabe Norwood
G-Mark Caguioa
G-Jimmy Alapag
G-JJ Helterbrand
G-Renren Ritualo
G-Dondon Hontiveros

Done!! :)

James Yap could've been a good addition but I don't think he could overtake the likes of Ritualo, Hontiveros or even Norwood.... if ever there would be a team B, I'd definitely count him in there! hehehe!

[b3lowzro]

My choice of players for the final 12 would be

for centers

Asi and Mick

for center/forwards

Kerby and Eric

for Forwards

Danny S, K-dub and Gabe

Guards will be

Ren-Ren R., Mark C., Jay Jay H. jimmy A. and James Yap
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[rycorpz]

My choice of players for the final 12 would be

for centers

Asi and Mick

for center/forwards

Kerby and Eric

for Forwards

Danny S, K-dub and Gabe

Guards will be

Ren-Ren R., Mark C., Jay Jay H. jimmy A. and James Yap
Nice choice, but I think Coach Chot will include/insert Don Don Hontiveros its a toss up between James Yap and Ren Ren Ritualo for the final slot

[thugpinoy]

TEAM PILIPINAS Final Lineup known on eve of FIBA Asia caging

By Francis Ochoa-Inquirer


MANILA, Philippines -- Coach Chot Reyes hasn?t set for himself a deadline when he will name the 12 basketball players who will take a shot at an Olympic slot in the FIBA-Asia Championship that starts July 27 in Tokushima, Japan.

And neither is the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) pushing him to do so.

SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio told Tuesday?s PSA Forum at Shakey?s-UN Avenue that the final lineup may be named the day before hostilities kick off in the tournament.

The event serves as the Asian qualifier for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Reyes said he plans to take the current 15-man team to Japan and make the cut there.

?There are too many things to consider before making the final cut,? said Reyes Tuesday at the Japan Embassy, where he and the other members of the team went to secure their visas.

The 15-man roster is made up of Asi Taulava, Danny Seigle, Mark Caguioa, Jimmy Alapag, Dondon Hontiveros, Kerby Raymundo, Jayjay Helterbrand, Mick Pennisi, Kelly Williams, Gabe Norwood, Erik Menk, Renren Ritualo, James Yap, Tony dela Cruz and KG Canaleta.
Reports have it that only the far end of the RP bench is left to be filled, but Reyes refused to name who among the players are shoo-ins. The team is set to play Qatar this weekend before flying to Japan on the 25th.

?We have until July 27 to name the final lineup,? said Gregorio.

?We?re still in the same situation as a couple of days ago,? Reyes said. ?It?s hard to announce the lineup because of many variables.?
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[ctongco]

Could we naturalize Yao Ming? :D Just joking. :D

[rhk111]

* Here's my final lineup for the RP NT bound for Tokushima, Japan for the FIBA Asia Men's Championship:

Starters:

* Jimmy Alapag - PG

The quickest, & fastest guy on the team, if not of all of Asia at the moment. Incredibly strong, great leaping ability. Can shoot the threes consistently, pass, break anybody off the dribble, everything you wanted in a PG, except for the height. W/ his other contributions to the team, though, that is offset most of the time.

* Mark Caguioa - OG

"The Spark" is absolutely indispensable to this team. Good range from the 3 pt. area, unstoppable off the dribble, plus that finger roll shot that is so hard to block, even at international level, that makes him truly world class. One of the team's main go-to guy. Kinda small for his position at Asian level, but again, his other contributions tend to offset that.

* Danny Seigle - SF

The PBA's "Walking Mismatch", now needs to show his wares at the Asian level, alongside those other Asian stars of his height & play-alike, like the Bahrami Brothers of Iran, & El-Khatib of Lebanon. Kinda fragile, though, injury prone. But no doubt a very important cog for this team come the serious competitions in Tokushima.

* Kelly Williams - PF

Kinda undersized in terms of height & heft at the no. 4 spot at international level, but his amazing quickness & leaping ability tends to offset that. Plays w/ a lot of energy, his contributions on both ends of the court is indispensable to this team.

* Asi Taulava - C

The country's only frontliner that can be considered as truly international caliber in terms of height, heft, & talent. I can't imagine how the next RP team will be able to cope without someone of his caliber in the lineup. A bit slow, but his decent coordination, intelligence, hard working attittude & strong will on defense tends to offset that.


Relievers:

* Jayjay Helterbrand - PG

Doesn't seem to have very good accuracy from the 3 pt. range, but good medium range jumper, & can beat anybody off the dribble. Good passer, an indispensable back up to Jimmy Alapag.

* Dondon Hontiveros - OG

Works very hard on defense, great from the 3 pt. area, plus all that international exposure seems to have made him fearless for those drive in & then pull up jumpers from the perimeter. A vital cog in the team's no. 2-3 rotation.

* Gabe Norwood - SF

The only player on the team that could play the backcourt & can be considered as "international level" in terms of height. Good 3 pt. shot, great athletic ability, works hard on defense. Another truly vital cog in our no. 3 rotation.

* James Yap - OG

The team really needs to have a deep bench in order for Chot's vision of a quick, running team that can shoot well in a halfcourt game to be effective, & James can certainly hit those shots from the outside when needed. A vital cog in the team's deep 2-3 position.

* Kerby Raymundo - PF

A star in the PBA, but obviously a utility man at Asian level. Undersized for his position, not as quick or as high leaping as Williams. But is perhaps the best pure low post one-on-one player in the team. Works very hard, mentally tough & always tries to do his best to contribute to the team in any way despite his limitations. A shoo in for the team.

* Mick Pennissi - C

Soft, soft player, who hasn't contributed much in terms of rebounding to the team despite his height & heft. Only in because he is 6'9", & his ability to hit the 3 every now & then. His greatest contribution to the team, are probably those sharp elbows.

* Renren Ritualo - OF

Just one word to describe this guy: Shooter. And he lives up to it. The team's no. 2 position is already a bit overloaded, though, but you just can't ignore his ability to hit from the outside. Besides, the 3 pt. shot is always a relatively low percentage shot, so it pays to have a couple of good shooters out there on the bench in case you are in a tight spot. Not expected to play major minutes for the team, though.


Reserves:

* Eric Menk - C

Brought in to try to address the team's weak rebounding issue against teams w/ quality big men, but just couldn't hack it. A relatively wide body, but just not too effective against the "trees" out there.

* Ranidel De Ocampo - PF

Good height, good range, but undersized for his position at international level, & doesn't have the quickness, coordination or leaping ability to make up for it. Contributions to the team have been very limited.

* Tony Dela Cruz - OG

Just hasn't really done anything much to be included in the final lineup. His contributions to the team have been few, & far in between. It'd be hard to imagine him taking up somebody's slot in the lineup who has much better numbers than he has.

[ros]

* Here's my final lineup for the RP NT bound for Tokushima, Japan for the FIBA Asia Men's Championship:

Starters:

* Jimmy Alapag - PG

The quickest, & fastest guy on the team, if not of all of Asia at the moment. Incredibly strong, great leaping ability. Can shoot the threes consistently, pass, break anybody off the dribble, everything you wanted in a PG, except for the height. W/ his other contributions to the team, though, that is offset most of the time.

* Mark Caguioa - OG

"The Spark" is absolutely indispensable to this team. Good range from the 3 pt. area, unstoppable off the dribble, plus that finger roll shot that is so hard to block, even at international level, that makes him truly world class. One of the team's main go-to guy. Kinda small for his position at Asian level, but again, his other contributions tend to offset that.

* Danny Seigle - SF

The PBA's "Walking Mismatch", now needs to show his wares at the Asian level, alongside those other Asian stars of his height & play-alike, like the Bahrami Brothers of Iran, & El-Khatib of Lebanon. Kinda fragile, though, injury prone. But no doubt a very important cog for this team come the serious competitions in Tokushima.

* Kelly Williams - PF

Kinda undersized in terms of height & heft at the no. 4 spot at international level, but his amazing quickness & leaping ability tends to offset that. Plays w/ a lot of energy, his contributions on both ends of the court is indispensable to this team.

* Asi Taulava - C

The country's only frontliner that can be considered as truly international caliber in terms of height, heft, & talent. I can't imagine how the next RP team will be able to cope without someone of his caliber in the lineup. A bit slow, but his decent coordination, intelligence, hard working attittude & strong will on defense tends to offset that.


Relievers:

* Jayjay Helterbrand - PG

Doesn't seem to have very good accuracy from the 3 pt. range, but good medium range jumper, & can beat anybody off the dribble. Good passer, an indispensable back up to Jimmy Alapag.

* Dondon Hontiveros - OG

Works very hard on defense, great from the 3 pt. area, plus all that international exposure seems to have made him fearless for those drive in & then pull up jumpers from the perimeter. A vital cog in the team's no. 2-3 rotation.

* Gabe Norwood - SF

The only player on the team that could play the backcourt & can be considered as "international level" in terms of height. Good 3 pt. shot, great athletic ability, works hard on defense. Another truly vital cog in our no. 3 rotation.

* James Yap - OG

The team really needs to have a deep bench in order for Chot's vision of a quick, running team that can shoot well in a halfcourt game to be effective, & James can certainly hit those shots from the outside when needed. A vital cog in the team's deep 2-3 position.

* Kerby Raymundo - PF

A star in the PBA, but obviously a utility man at Asian level. Undersized for his position, not as quick or as high leaping as Williams. But is perhaps the best pure low post one-on-one player in the team. Works very hard, mentally tough & always tries to do his best to contribute to the team in any way despite his limitations. A shoo in for the team.

* Mick Pennissi - C

Soft, soft player, who hasn't contributed much in terms of rebounding to the team despite his height & heft. Only in because he is 6'9", & his ability to hit the 3 every now & then. His greatest contribution to the team, are probably those sharp elbows.

* Renren Ritualo - OF

Just one word to describe this guy: Shooter. And he lives up to it. The team's no. 2 position is already a bit overloaded, though, but you just can't ignore his ability to hit from the outside. Besides, the 3 pt. shot is always a relatively low percentage shot, so it pays to have a couple of good shooters out there on the bench in case you are in a tight spot. Not expected to play major minutes for the team, though.


Reserves:

* Eric Menk - C

Brought in to try to address the team's weak rebounding issue against teams w/ quality big men, but just couldn't hack it. A relatively wide body, but just not too effective against the "trees" out there.

* Ranidel De Ocampo - PF

Good height, good range, but undersized for his position at international level, & doesn't have the quickness, coordination or leaping ability to make up for it. Contributions to the team have been very limited.

* Tony Dela Cruz - OG

Just hasn't really done anything much to be included in the final lineup. His contributions to the team have been few, & far in between. It'd be hard to imagine him taking up somebody's slot in the lineup who has much better numbers than he has.

Good observation and final line-up but the way coach chot sees menk during the games in manila it seems he's a reliever to taulava i think he's already made it to the final 12. Ritualo and Yap someone has to go....

[meloy]

:eek:
Good observation and final line-up but the way coach chot sees menk during the games in manila it seems he's a reliever to taulava i think he's already made it to the final 12. Ritualo and Yap someone has to go....
i think its better to have them both...
renren is a streak shooter, if he miss he continues to missfire.... hehehe:eek: his only plus at limited minutes he is an instant offensive weapon, say 9 points in a minute... or when you need that one last game winning/tying shot, he can do it. but thats it...
while james has the ability to create openings, and make shot at any angle be it beyond the arc or 25footers... with more consistency as compared to renren, also he is better in defense, faster, and a lot more agile and athletic...

so its bettr to have them both....

for me out will be ranidel(non existent, i mean did anybody notice him play?)
then gabe and williams, their papers can make it time... maybe next year olympics!

[viperbravo]

I'll choose Enrico Villanueva for Eric Menk! Villanueva played with the RP team in Iran, he is more powerful/strong than Menk..Menk is to slow!