Suggestions for the Philippine Basketball in General

[saints13]

I was just surfing around the net then I came across this stuff from Asia-Basket/Philippines. I was looking for news about the RP NT, there is a drought in RP NT news right now, it's all fan mails and messages in Interbasket, and this one somehow caught my attention. :)
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A letter was sent to Asia-Basket. Giving some suggestions and compliments

Tks
Blirio

Hi there Asia-Basket,

Before anything else, I would like to congratulate you people working behind this great basketball site. You gave us instant connections not just in Asia but globally in basketball world.

I am really an avid fans of RP Basketball particularly the PBA since I was a kid. I watched every progress of our basketball programs and it seems that we are in the right track, hopefully, of playing in the Olympics.

I have some added suggestions for PBA and Philippine Basketball, so to speak, for a drastic but reasonable changes. I might receive violent reactions on my suggestions but while I am doing this, I think of Philippine Basketball as a whole.

AMATEUR LEAGUE:
Instead of having NCAA, UAAP leagues, may we asked to combine this league and form an ultimate amateur league. Para di magsawa ang tao sa dami ng liga sa Pinas.
E.G. NCAA NCR Division 1, NCAA Vismin Division 1 and descend to NCAA NCR Division 2 like in the U.S.
Fil-am summer league should also be a part of SBP-BAP program for us to discover players, with Filipino roots, from other countries.
Champions from league will have a face off for the ultimate NCAA Crown.

PBA LEAGUE:
PBA, like NBA, should start accepting 19 year old players. (FIBA)
PBA teams should have one naturalized player, thru NP special drafting, for us to prepare in the international tournament.
A player can only be naturalized if he played / stayed in the Philippines for at least two years. This will cover up FIBA requirement of residency of three years.
Only naturalized players can be allowed to trade to its own kind.
Once a naturalized player been dropped from a team, a team can only replaced it from a free agents of NP or NP special draft.
No limit in height for NP.
New teams of PBA should be allowed to carry on 5 players plus 1 chosen Fil-am.
PBA should not only follow law of blood but law of soil too...this will open the doors to foreign players (with no Filipino roots but born in the Philippines) to play along our side.
PBA should convert it's league rules from professional to FIBA for us to prepare in any given international tournament.
PBA should allow foreign coaches only with greater resume.
If in case we qualified in the Olympics:
Can we recall those giants in the US (Japeth Aguilar (206-C), Gian Chiu, Slaughter and the 7-0 Aguilar) to try-out in the Philippine Team. This will give us added ceiling.
Hindi naman sa pandadaya, since it is allowed by FIBA, can we also have one naturalized player (much better if it's a tall/center NP) in our line-up.

I really appreciate your time reading my e-mail and hopefully some of it will help improve our Philippine Basketball.

Thanks,

Cyril Z. Parrenas

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*feel free to comment about the possibilities of those suggestions by the letter sender to Asia-Basket. or if you have your own suggestion, a theoretical one, or hypothetical one. It may not be possible as of now but in the near future, who knows, the Philippine Basketball should have some drastic changes to gamble with, for positive indicators to come in a short period of time or as soon as possible :)

*for other forum members to get updated in Asian Basketball, I recommend Asia-basket, basketball in different perspectives are in that site. :)

[pachador]

a little strange..... why in the world would he send it to asia-basket? he should send that letter to the SBP or the PBA or any of the all-filipino forums.

[saints13]

maybe he thinks of asia-basket as an avenue to release what's on his mind for the rest to see, lucky for us we're here in Interbasket, we can air our opinions every goddamn second of the day. btw, the person sent that e-mail through the Fans Corner by Benny Lirio at the Philippine Section of www.asia-basket.com wherein a lot of e-mails are also posted :)

the link: http://www.asia-basket.com/PHI/PHI.asp

[zupermann]

I agree with accepting players 19+ years old. The minimum age for PBA is 23, and PBA has the highest level of competition in Philippines. A 23 yr old rookis in the PBA doesn't get a lot of playing time, therefore delaying experience and development, by the time he gets to his prime, he's 25-28 yrs old! if they start accepting 19 yrs old in the PBA, we'll get more younger player develop faster. Maybe the PBL and PBA should just combine, more teams, more players, the more the merrier! Plus NCAA champ and UAAP champ should face off to determined the Ultimate collegiate champion. Kinda like how baseball and football are set up here in US, NFC vs AFC and NL vs AL. They should also play interleague (UAAP teams vs NCAA teams). Visayas and Mindanao teams should also get more exposure.

[rycorpz]

I agree on 19 yrs old rule and convert the pro rules to FIBA (mas exciting)

[rensquared]

I agree with 19 yrs. old. PBA must go younger, meaning target the youth. Due to abundant resources of Basketball players here in our country, I suggest the PBA should expand. Through this, other players won't go to waste.

[donmar]

I would say Junior PBA league or transform PBL as the junior PBA League... having high calibre 19 years olds in the PBA would degrade College and Amateur basketball outside PBA.. that's my opinion...

About the FIBA rules.. yup thats a good idea changing the current PBA rules to FIBA... so what if NBA wants to preserved its own fundamental rules (they're the oldest professional league anyway)... NBA is not the PBA... having FIBA rules (also taking off the Height Limit in the PBA Fiesta Cup Conference) helps players playing internationally and attract more imports not just from the USA but also from Asia, South America and Europe...

Having FIBA rules, the members of the national team doesn't have to adjust their playing style and thats mean more time for them to play in the PBA...

[apiSigbinz]

i like the idea of having one collegiate champion... but i think we already have done that through Champions League where in the top 2 teams from collegiate leagues across the country battle it out for one champion.. but the problem really is, there's not much prestige of winning that crown.. some teams especially from UAAP just send their team for the sake of participation without their marquee players... maybe if SBP can organize a more lucrative championship tourney for college schools that will really prompt each schools to send their best team, then i think it will be the start of a more organized national collegiate champion.. and it should be televise for added attraction and broader scope specifically Studio 23 (the best available:D )

as for the 1 naturalized player for each team in the PBA... this one, i beg to disagree... imports can very well play that part! instead, PBA should change their height limit, of at least 6'10" and above... that way team will force to get big imports... this will make our players get used to bigger center!

i agree on FIBA rules but with an added revision of 20 sec. shotclock... this will make the teams play at faster pace, the run and gun type which we all know that's our main weapon...

[saints13]

btw, Kerby Raymundo got into the PBA when he was younger than the 23 year old mark at Red Bull, but later on expelled for some academic falsifications he commited, he later joined PBA bannering the Purefoods jersey. there's a reason why the PBA has that 23 year old mark, because most players would have finished their schooling already at that age. There are a lot of things that is going through behind the scenes that is why players should be matured enough before entering the draft and submitting themselves to being commodities for the big league.

anyway, the idea of putting teenagers in the PBA that early is really for basketball development's sake, but putting those youngsters for example 19 years old in the pro league will give our RP Youth NT a big blow, since U19 and U21 players are supposedly not yet eligible for the pro league. the PBA will lure them to greener pasture, thus leaving the RP Youth's chance of acquiring their services. gusto ng RP Youth team e yung mga pinakamagagaling na bata, at gugustuhin naman din ng PBA ang mga pinakamagagaling na player ng RP Youth team, patay na, conflict of interest.
for sure, the PBA's offer will be better than any RP U19 or U21 NT sponsor. another basketball crisis in the making. :rolleyes:

translation:
good young players at the age of 19 years old will be torned between the Youth Team and the PBA.

about the integration of the Leagues, that is also a good idea, since National Pride is at stake, but right now, Manila has the upper hand when it comes to schools in basketball program since they magnet good players from the provinces and abroad. the Champions League is not as popular as the UAAP and NCAA right now but seeing Slaughter coming here in Manila together with the UV Lancers, that's another attraction to basketball fans. :)

[ctongco]

Just a thought. Maybe we organize what we speak/discuss here and email it to the BAP-SBP.

[ctongco]

i like the idea of having one collegiate champion... but i think we already have done that through Champions League where in the top 2 teams from collegiate leagues across the country battle it out for one champion.. but the problem really is, there's not much prestige of winning that crown.. some teams especially from UAAP just send their team for the sake of participation without their marquee players... maybe if SBP can organize a more lucrative championship tourney for college schools that will really prompt each schools to send their best team, then i think it will be the start of a more organized national collegiate champion.. and it should be televise for added attraction and broader scope specifically Studio 23 (the best available:D )

as for the 1 naturalized player for each team in the PBA... this one, i beg to disagree... imports can very well play that part! instead, PBA should change their height limit, of at least 6'10" and above... that way team will force to get big imports... this will make our players get used to bigger center!

i agree on FIBA rules but with an added revision of 20 sec. shotclock... this will make the teams play at faster pace, the run and gun type which we all know that's our main weapon...


I completely agree with reducing the shot-clock to 20 seconds. On the import-height-limit, I say remove any restrictions about the height. This should make our players accustomed to playing against bigger players.

[zupermann]

I would say Junior PBA league or transform PBL as the junior PBA League... having high calibre 19 years olds in the PBA would degrade College and Amateur basketball outside PBA.. that's my opinion...

About the FIBA rules.. yup thats a good idea changing the current PBA rules to FIBA... so what if NBA wants to preserved its own fundamental rules (they're the oldest professional league anyway)... NBA is not the PBA... having FIBA rules (also taking off the Height Limit in the PBA Fiesta Cup Conference) helps players playing internationally and attract more imports not just from the USA but also from Asia, South America and Europe...

Having FIBA rules, the members of the national team doesn't have to adjust their playing style and thats mean more time for them to play in the PBA...

Maybe you're right, but then again by now allowing talented youngsters in the PBA would eventually DELAY their development to the next level because of lack of competition. Example is Kerby Raymundo, he was allowed to enter PBA at 19 and look at him. Playing in NT at 26, and won MVP back in 02-03. My point is for the PBA to lower their age limit to hopefully 19-21.

[saints13]

I completely agree with reducing the shot-clock to 20 seconds. On the import-height-limit, I say remove any restrictions about the height. This should make our players accustomed to playing against bigger players.

ang sakit sa mata nun, tantantinin tantantinin, takbuhan ng takbuhan malamang yun! :) hehehe. they've tried to reduce the 24 second shot clock to 23 second shot clock in the MBA (Chot Reyes was a catalyst in that idea), and somehow that one second differential affected the order of plays. biruin mo one second lang ang binawas e malaking bagay na, paano pa kaya yun 4 seconds ang ibabawas. just a thought. :)

translation:
on my opinion, I see that game with 20 seconds shot clock as a run-and-gun error prone games which will result to sloppy basketball entertainment.

[donmar]

Maybe you're right, but then again by now allowing talented youngsters in the PBA would eventually DELAY their development to the next level because of lack of competition. Example is Kerby Raymundo, he was allowed to enter PBA at 19 and look at him. Playing in NT at 26, and won MVP back in 02-03. My point is for the PBA to lower their age limit to hopefully 19-21.

you don't have to be young to be competitive in international basketball..

[Burndvinyard]

New teams of PBA should be allowed to carry on 5 players plus 1 chosen Fil-am.
PBA should not only follow law of blood but law of soil too...this will open the doors to foreign players (with no Filipino roots but born in the Philippines) to play along our side.

unfortunately, you will have to deal with the Philippine government and the Constitution regarding this matter. Because as far as the Constitution is concerned, the principle of jus soli (right of soil) is not recognized in the Philippines. Unlike the US, the Philippines only recognizes the principle of jus sanguinis (law of blood). Naturalization of persons of foreign blood born and living in the Philippines is the only means for them to be counted as Filipino.

[saints13]

Maybe you're right, but then again by now allowing talented youngsters in the PBA would eventually DELAY their development to the next level because of lack of competition. Example is Kerby Raymundo, he was allowed to enter PBA at 19 and look at him. Playing in NT at 26, and won MVP back in 02-03. My point is for the PBA to lower their age limit to hopefully 19-21.

if a youngster is really that talented, he should go somewhere else and not the PBA lolz. :D

the Philippine Basketball in general will really have conflicts of interests with the PBA. the title of this thread is really misleading, lolz again. :)

[ros]

I disagree on allowing players to join the PBA at age 19. Since PBA is also strict on education first. At best would be 21, fresh graduate so that he has a fall back in case he won't make it big in the pro league.

Applying FIBA rules is not good for PBA as a business and an entertainment maybe some part of it would do.

[bolabasket]

I disagree on allowing players to join the PBA at age 19. Since PBA is also strict on education first. At best would be 21, fresh graduate so that he has a fall back in case he won't make it big in the pro league.

Applying FIBA rules is not good for PBA as a business and an entertainment maybe some part of it would do.
Although we're a basketball crazy country, education should always be on top of every kid's priorities. I think Mr. Lirio's comments are based on what is happening in Europe where pro-ball potentials (aged 19 and below) are already listed in commercial team's rosters. e.g. Anton Ponomarev of Kazakhstan

[donmar]

I don't agree with the 19yo in the PBA.. like what ros said..

but FIBA rules can may be applied to one of the PBA conferences... we can have the current PBA rules for the Philippine Cup Conference... and then the FIBA rules in the Fiesta Cup Conference where imports (not only Americans but also Europeans, South Americans, Lebanese, Chinese, Koreans, Australians) are allowed to play...

[b3lowzro]

I don't agree with the 19yo in the PBA.. like what ros said..

but FIBA rules can may be applied to one of the PBA conferences... we can have the current PBA rules for the Philippine Cup Conference... and then the FIBA rules in the Fiesta Cup Conference where imports (not only Americans but also Europeans, South Americans, Lebanese, Chinese, Koreans, Australians) are allowed to play...

good suggestion but the rules of the PBA are designed for individuals skills which is more entertaining to watch! There are Europeans and Africans that have already played in the PBA... Well most of our Asians bros hasn't been recruited by PBA due to to their lack of athleticism and experience in pro ball that.

Well theres one Chinese guy who already played in PBL as an import. i think its Ma Jian
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[d'dreamer]

before anything else aside from those other transformations of the pilipinas basketball, i need my team pilipinas jersey!!!...anyone from the pba or anyone tell me where to grab one... Pilipinas basketball merchandise must be given out in the open so as a pilipinas basketball fan die hard like me could get one of those...

[pinoy pac fan]

convert to FIBA rules,

and every freethrow should be 1 for 1. If you get fouled in the act of shooting, you need to make the first one before you get another one. If you miss, its free for a rebound. That would force everybody to improve their FT %

[b3lowzro]

before anything else aside from those other transformations of the pilipinas basketball, i need my team pilipinas jersey!!!...anyone from the pba or anyone tell me where to grab one... Pilipinas basketball merchandise must be given out in the open so as a pilipinas basketball fan die hard like me could get one of those...

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[Holy Hand Grenade]

You don't need to use FIBA rules. Just change the some of the current PBA rules to be more in-sync with FIBA rules. The league already did that two years ago by scrapping illegal defense. The PBA is first and foremost a business, and businesses need to make money. That means maximizing the airtime exposure of the member teams (remember that the teams primarily exist as corporate promo tools). So we'll need to stick to 12 minute quarters. You'll also want to increase your advertising revenues, which means the PBA timeout rules will have to stay as well.

What can be done is to shift the 3 point line from 22 ft to the FIBA standard 20 ft 9 in. Why? Because in the PBA, with its 22 ft line, the 3-pointer is considered a low-percentage shot. Thus, emphasis is on scoring on the inside, which is something an undersized team cannot do in international play. With the FIBA line, the 3-point shot becomes a relable weapon, and good outside shooting is rewarded. It also extends the opponent's defense and leave the inside open for penetration. This is something the RP team is doing very well at the moment, as it topped the Jones Cup in 3pt FG percentage.

[b3lowzro]

convert to FIBA rules,

and every freethrow should be 1 for 1. If you get fouled in the act of shooting, you need to make the first one before you get another one. If you miss, its free for a rebound. That would force everybody to improve their FT %

what's that bente uno?
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[pinoy pac fan]

what's that bente uno?

no, if you get fouled in the act of shooting or in penalty situations, instead of 2 for 2 FT attempts, you need to make the first one to be awarded a 2nd one. If you miss the first shot, its a live ball already. It forces you to practice your freethrows seriously.

Oher rule changes:

-Only technical fouls should be 2 for 2 shots.

-Referees should be super strict with palming, carrying, double dribbles and travelling calls.

-Rename "FREETHROWS" to "OPEN SHOTS".
(it might change the player's mentality of thinking of freethrows as not so important to hit near perfectly. Its more embarrasing to be making only 6 of 10 of your "open shots" than to be hitting 60% from the FT line)

-no more pro-grip or stickum. I think its illegal now. Thats good.

[protossdomain]

I agree on 19 yrs old rule and convert the pro rules to FIBA (mas exciting)

Convert professional rules to FIBA, mas exciting?

I disagree. PBA, like NBA is part entertainment. Those one-on-one plays and other highlight reels are like gone when this happens. I am not actually opposing the convertion of rules to FIBA, but more fans may not appreciate this.

[crouchingtiger]

Does PBA still have height limit for the "import" players? If yes, they should lift that rule, so that the locals can get used to playing with the good centers and PF.

[pinoyballer]

Since Filipinos have only a slight chance of ever being invited to the NBA, why not try European, South American, Canadian, or Australian leagues?

An 18-year-old Taiwanese guard fresh out of high school, Chang Tsun-hsien, who was expected to be the No. 1 draft pick in the 2007 SBL local players draft, has been recruited to play for BG 74 Goettingen, a team in German top league 1. Bundesliga, next season. (from http://asia-basket.com/TAI/TAI.asp)

If a Taiwanese can make it to a European league, a Filipino should surely be able to get in too.

[donmar]

I think there are already Filipino players playing in Europe... although most (or all) of them are Fil-foreign player.. such as former MBA players Chris Clay and Jeffrey Flowers... but I'm not sure if they're still playing...

and yeah, we definitely need more Filipinos playing in the overseas.. not only NBA but also in the Euroleague or in South America or maybe in the Middle East (large Filipino audience).. or possibly in China and Korea!

[reamily]

More on fast pace but physical gameplay in pba we should revise rules for that to have exciting yet gainful for filipinos to become a threat in basketball internationally.

[saints13]

FAN'S CORNER - from Asia-basket..suggestions from fans again

by Benny Lirio - Jul 23, 2007
Hi Mr. Benny, Just some suggestion and thoughts from a basketball fan like the rest of the pinoys here.Regarding the creation of the Asian league similar to that of the Euro League, it was actually thought of before already. Remember the centennial team of 1998 back when patrimonio and abarrientos were still in their prime.
Hi Mr. Benny,
Just some suggestion and thoughts from a basketball fan like the rest of the pinoys here.Regarding the creation of the Asian league similar to that of the Euro League, it was actually thought of before already. Remember the centennial team of 1998 back when patrimonio and abarrientos were still in their prime. A group of business men with contact abroads broached the idea of creating a Super Asian league. there were picturing out our very own patrimonio and legendary korean hur jae together in a team. Of course, it remained still an idea up to know.I also like the idea of hiring asian imports for the PBA. Well, it could be like a conference with no height restrictions.Each team could get an import depending on the needs of a team. For example, a team with no legit post threat could get a good center standing 6'9'' and above. Anyways there are just my thoughts Mr. Benny..More power to Philippines Basketball!!


Mark Tamiok



It is actually about the teams from Korea, China, ,Australia/Japan and the Philippines. But the story about the superleague is now only on the drawing board as it was covered or should i say overshadowed by the success of each countries own tournaments. Just like PBA, OR Japan Superleague. Time will only tell but Hur Jae will not be around as he was already retired just like our very own Alvin Patrimonio (191-F-66).

BLirio



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I just wanted to email an interesting story about J.R. Henderson which might interest Filipino fans. He is a player of the US NCAA's 1995 championship team and was an all-Pacific First Team member. After college, he played for the the Grizzlies in the NBA, before playing in Japan. He plays center now, though he played forward in college. Center is a position in which Japan's national team had failed to find a suitable player. Now that he's naturalized, Japan is now a lot tougher. He will now be known as Sakuragi, which happens to be the name of a basketball player in a well-known Japanese anime. With a threat at the low post, opponents will be much harder pressed to defend against Japan's outside snipers. How far he can lead Team Japan is however still a big question.

Best regards,

Dennis Resurreccion

I am also a fan of Sakuragi and always watching it on TV.
J.R. Henderson will replace Eric Mc Arthur in the shaded lane. The Japan team need a big men to support it's small and quick team.

BLirio

[donmar]

I thought the Asian Super League is the Asian Professionall Championship which started last year when San Miguel Beermen represented the PBA...

[pinoyballer]

Incoming PBA chair may tap Europeans
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
By Abac Cordero

Tony Chua of Red Bull, the incoming chairman of the Philippine Basketball Association, is already planning his first move once he assumes the lofty position.

For starters, the amiable team manager, who replaces Ricky Vargas of Talk N Text as chairman on Aug. 16, said he would recommend the fielding of European imports for the next Fiesta Cup.

“I think it’s high time that we try these European imports instead of the traditional Americans,” said Chua yesterday.

Chua, also an officer of the Philippine Football Federation, said Filipinos will probably learn more from the Europeans who are more adept to the international brand of play.

“And since our country is bound to see more action in the international arena, maybe it’s time to tap the Europeans. Let’s not always think of the Americans as our imports,” he said.

“Let’s try learning from the Europeans. And I think it will even cost less for the PBA teams,” said Chua, adding that an American import in the PBA is paid around $14,000 to $20,000 a month by the teams.

“I think we can get quality imports from Europe for a much lower price. And maybe we can get rid of the practice where imports demand a one-month guarantee even if they turn out to be lemons,” he said.

Chua said James Penny, the Red Bull import for the just-concluded Fiesta Cup, went home with around $100,000 despite the fact that the team failed to land in the finals.
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Why not also shop Filipino players for European leagues?

[saints13]

Why not also shop Filipino players for European leagues?

btw, when I was a kid, I've seen a Chinese import which was Ma Jian and a European Caucasian import named Sina, I forgot what team, maybe it was Dazz. I really can't remember. :rolleyes:

Filipinos are being imported in the Indonesian Basketball Leagues right now, some ex-pros are having their share of limelight overseas :)

[bolabasket]

Hiring European imports is a welcome move by the PBA. Some of them might stay behind and marry a Filipina...they love our sunny beaches, which they don't have back home.