Whats next for RP NT?

[thugpinoy]

After bowing out early in FIBA ASIA Championship, the olympic dream will remain as a dream.
but on a positive sign, they should keep this team intact, keep the core of the team, replace some players ( how about the coach? ) with young and with good potential players. who knows, we might snatch a place for the qualifying in the WBC or in the Asian Games.
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[d'dreamer]

Team Pilipinas must not stop here. For sure they wont, but what i mean is they should try to prove that they don't deserved that 9th place finish (at most) in this Fiba Asia Champ by trying our worth at Asian Games and WBC or any other tournament. We should try to compete at all international tournament available even there is two simultaneous tournament. We can send a Team A and a Team B. And as much as possible don't participate in as many friendly games coz that don't mean anything. I mean playing in a friendly games and just trying to hide your players as well as those players in your opponents. I hope they start to train how to beat Iran and Jordan and all of the other asian teams. I don't want to see Asi Taulava, Danny Seigle anymore in that team. I hope they try to find ways to replace these players, we should bring some young talents in and train them to be effective come the real tournament.

[thugpinoy]

I think this would be the last international appearance of Asi, anyway he's quite old. time for other young players like Yap, Tubid, Rannidel De Ocampo, Arwind Santos, Japeth from UAAP, and others.
and PBA should start embracing FIBA Rules.
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[Mk3]

What's next is we continue participating in FIBA tournaments, whether it's for the real national team or youth teams, men and women. The SBP will take care of that. As for our current team, they just continue playing :) It would help though, for our tournaments to adopt FIBA rules, but that's up to our local organizers to decide on.

[rycorpz]

according to an article of Mr. Henson of Philstar the host of the wild card tournament has a slot in a 12 nation wild card tournament. Up for grabs are the 4 remaining final slots. 2 teams from asia will represent which is the 2nd place and 3rd place of FIBA asia is automatically in I hope he's right. Mr. Baumann of FIBA advice SBP to participate in this bidding proces

[aklanarcher]

They should thank us fans for our support. I am still proud of our National Team. Jimmy Alapag was the MVP for the RP Team. I feel sad for him.

[otneib]

i view this tournament as a great start for our return to basketball prominence in asia, we have tested the waters and undoubtedly have grown much wiser from this experience. i believe that we should participate in more international tournaments in order for our players to gain more international players and to better enhance team chemistry which obviously was lacking considering the abundance of turnovers, miscues, missing picks, failure to box out etc. replacing the coach would be premature and ill advised, it takes years to make a competitive team. we should all be patient and remain positive, we may have lost the battle, but the war is far from over. peace! :)

[watiwawa]

what's next for our RP team..

development and improvement..

the other question..

wats the next sticky thread for Philippine Basketball forum..

"The road back to olympics.. part 2?"
"2009 line-up for WBC qualifiers"
"the new generation of rp team"
"FUTURE: is it really bright?"
etc.. create a topic.. hehe..

[Project888]

this guys deserve a heroes welcome! can please someone contact pres. GMA and tell her to give this guys a heroes welcome! they really deserve! winning is not easy! people don't know that this is just the beginning for the rise of philippine basketball! i salute the rp team guys for entertaining us and of course giving the opponent a hard fight! i knew this from the start that we won't win in the fiba asia championship but we won something, THE RESPECT THAT PHILIPPINE BASKETBALL NEEDS!!

[b3lowzro]

Guys dont be sad! World Basketball Championships has more slots for other countries and I believe that we will have our luck in the next draw of groups. Hopefully we will not be paired against power houses like Jordan and Iran
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[aklanarcher]

We need to hire coaches with international basketball expertise. European assistant coaches would do. We need to improve our offense.

[saints13]

I'm tired of suggesting what to do :D ehehe
it's over for now, I could focus more on my thesis than checking every now and then what's the development about our RP NT..LOL
I'm not that sad because the Philippines did a hell of a fight, many characters were unveiled, and men were separated from the boys this time.
We'll get used to this, I hope Philippine basketball will not be event-oriented, English please hopefully they'll just make it simple and just play good basketball, and not make a buzz out of things. :D

[sergio23]

Team Pilipinas must not stop here. For sure they wont, but what i mean is they should try to prove that they don't deserved that 9th place finish (at most) in this Fiba Asia Champ by trying our worth at Asian Games and WBC or any other tournament. We should try to compete at all international tournament available even there is two simultaneous tournament. We can send a Team A and a Team B. And as much as possible don't participate in as many friendly games coz that don't mean anything. I mean playing in a friendly games and just trying to hide your players as well as those players in your opponents. I hope they start to train how to beat Iran and Jordan and all of the other asian teams. I don't want to see Asi Taulava, Danny Seigle anymore in that team. I hope they try to find ways to replace these players, we should bring some young talents in and train them to be effective come the real tournament.
I agree with you man,we should not stop here,we should continue building up and train hard...and I think K.Williams and G.Norwood will replace D.Seigle,and J.Aguilar and any available bigmen will particapate,even Helterbrand will be out and will be replaced by the likes of Jason Castro...we should continue this training.So far in overall I can say that T.Pilipinas played good ballgame only that pure malas with them..hopefully next tournament will be able to show them our skills and the passion of playing basketball.maybe try to train in Europe instead of America....

[pachador]

English please Euro style game is the way of the future. NBA style one-on-one is just for showing-off. i hope SBP continues the program but the trainings should be in europe English please.
English please just learn all those selfish one-on-one NBA moves that do not work in FIBA games.



I'm tired of suggesting what to do :D ehehe
it's over for now, I could focus more on my thesis than checking every now and then what's the development about our RP NT..LOL
I'm not that sad because the Philippines did a hell of a fight, many characters were unveiled, and men were separated from the boys this time.
We'll get used to this, I hope Philippine basketball will not be event-oriented, English please hopefully they'll just make it simple and just play good basketball, and not make a buzz out of things. :D

[Butata]

We still have the consolation round to play and here are the groupings:

Group III: Pilipinas Kuwait India Syria

Group IV: China UAE Indonesia Hongkong

We'll most likely steamroll past Kuwait and India and have a more competitive game against Syria but I'm sure we'll top this group.

China will most definitely top their group also. The winner of both groups automatically face-off for the 9th place game.

So in order to get 9th, we must beat China again!!! Who would have ever predicted this scenario? ;)

[pinoyballer]

Although well short of its goal, this is a good re-start for Philippine basketball. If it was placed in any of the other brackets, it would have surely made the q-finals. Even if the Philippines topped the consolation round, it would only be in 9th place, which it doesn't deserve!

Here are some things to ponder for Philippine basketball (I've posted most of these before:

(1) PBA should abandon being a copycat of the US NBA. Why copy a program on the decline? It should copy European basketball, and somehow send teams to Europe for practice games or international tournaments.

(2) PBA should recruit, most aggressively, tall Fil-foreigners not only from the US, but from all over the world, most importantly from Europe and Australia. Obviously, it's heavy on guards, but lack centers and forwards.

(3) PBA should start thinking about recruiting European and South American (Brazil, Argentina, Puerto Rico) coaches.

(4) SBP should start a big national pool and send them to international competitions, starting with SE Asia. It should send young teams to international tournaments which have no bearing on bigger tournaments, so the youngsters would get exposure.

If Philippine basketball continues on its present course, even SE Asia will eventually catch up, and even qualifying for FIBA-Asia would be a problem. The PBA would lose support from the fans, when the fans start realizing that the league is a farce because it's not even in the top 5-8 in Asia.

A sad day indeed, but still a good start, if drastic measures are forthcoming. Philippine basketball should keep this in mind: good, tall teams will always beat good, small teams. The games against the big and tall, but not-as-skilled, Iranians should have proven this.

[joel23]

Try again to FIBA-Asia 2009 for Qualifying 2010 World Championships, Asian Games 2010, FIBA Stankovic Cup. Lets forming young cagers from U-14, U-16, U-18, U-20 and senior National team for perfect experience...

[b3lowzro]

Try again to FIBA-Asia 2009 for Qualifying 2010 World Championships, Asian Games 2010, FIBA Stankovic Cup. Lets forming young cagers from U-14, U-16, U-18, U-20 and senior National team for perfect experience...

well good point but you forgot to develop the womens team, they've been left out by our Asean neighbors
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[jfol]

We still have the consolation round to play and here are the groupings:

Group III: Pilipinas Kuwait India Syria

Group IV: China UAE Indonesia Hongkong

We'll most likely steamroll past Kuwait and India and have a more competitive game against Syria but I'm sure we'll top this group.

China will most definitely top their group also. The winner of both groups automatically face-off for the 9th place game.

So in order to get 9th, we must beat China again!!! Who would have ever predicted this scenario? ;)

yeah!!!id love to see those chinese get beaten again just to shut the mouth of adjilan! tho its their team b still i know they went there to win...:D

[crouchingtiger]

yeah!!!id love to see those chinese get beaten again just to shut the mouth of adjilan! tho its their team b still i know they went there to win...:D
Gosh...if by beating a measly china B will make you forget the miserable loss this year, just go ahead :D
I thought this thread is to discuss the future of Phil basketball and it seems like the first step to the future is to beat the malnurished, lanky looking, bunch of 22 yo chinese kids? way to go, hurray!

[pinoyballer]

Gosh...if by beating a measly china B will make you forget the miserable loss this year, just go ahead :D
I thought this thread is to discuss the future of Phil basketball and it seems like the first step to the future is to beat the malnurished, lanky looking, bunch of 22 yo chinese kids? way to go, hurray!
Yes, I agree, that there's no point in talking about taking 9th place. I don't think it means anything to the PBA, SBP, and their fans.

Filipinos shouldn't be offended by the Chinese coach's remarks that "You play individually, focusing on one-on-one plays like in the NBA." His remarks were prophetic: Filipinos might be the most skilled players in Asia, but if there's no team play, they'll never make it. Just like those rotten, showboating NBA punks. They'll never win in the Olympics and WBC again with their individual play. On the contrary, Adiljan's remarks should be a challenge to improve the team.

[Holy Hand Grenade]

So the gaping hole in the middle has been exposed. We tried compensating by stacking it up at the wings, which we hoped would make up for our deficiencies inside. For a time, it worked. But in hindsight, a team like that is a one-trick pony.

We could've used some legit power forwards to augment our centers. Eric Menk is too hobbled by injuries and the Kerbinator is more of a tweener internationally.
New acquisitions for the team will most likely include the starting PF's from the Fiesta Conf. finals-- Jay Washington and Sonny Thoss-- both 6'8" with long arms and explosive leaping ability.

A steady point guard to back up Jimmy Alapag is also needed. Jayjay Helterbrand is too erratic and can't quarterback the team consistently. Perhaps a healthy Mike Cortez?

[crouchingtiger]

So the gaping hole in the middle has been exposed. We tried compensating by stacking it up at the wings, which we hoped would make up for our deficiencies inside. For a time, it worked. But in hindsight, a team like that is a one-trick pony.

We could've used some legit power forwards to augment our centers. Eric Menk is too hobbled by injuries and the Kerbinator is more of a tweener internationally.
New acquisitions for the team will most likely include the starting PF's from the Fiesta Conf. finals-- Jay Washington and Sonny Thoss-- both 6'8" with long arms and explosive leaping ability.

A steady point guard to back up Jimmy Alapag is also needed. Jayjay Helterbrand is too erratic and can't quarterback the team consistently. Perhaps a healthy Mike Cortez?
Now you are talking. Constructive discussion starts here. :)

[chokoi]

J.AGUILAR(6'9-C/PF), J.R. REYES(6'7-PF), K.WILLIAMS(6'7-SF/PF), K.RAYMUNDO(6'7-SF/PF), A.WASHINGTON(6'7-SF/PF), G.NORWOOD(6'5-SF/SG), A.SANTOS(6-4,SF), J.YAP(6'2-SG), M.CAGUIAO(6'0-SG) im sure he will be a team player by that time, R. REYES(6'2/PG), J.ALAPAG(5'8/PG) If he can still ran..i think he will turn 32yrs old by that time! im luking for a real center to complete the lineup, a center that will fill the position of taulava..maybe i guess SAM EKWE...bwehehe!but honestly dats our problem we need a center, so its incomplete English please

[pinoyballer]

Sidelights: Jordan coach labels grouping ‘big joke’
By Nelson Beltran
Tuesday, July 31, 2007

TOKUSHIMA, Japan – To Jordan coach Mario Palma, FIBA-Asia’s system of bracketing “is a big joke.” Palma said he still can’t understand why three of the top four teams in last year’s Asian Games plus the Philippines, which has always been a top contender with its professional players, allowed to slug it out in one group.

“So what you see is the four teams in this group playing with so much pressure while top seeded teams in the other brackets winning by more than 50 points,” rued Palma.

“Because of the pressure, players in our group are getting hurt. The top two teams in the other group easily advanced to the quarterfinals with the luxury of keeping their top players fresh,” Palma added. He cited two players in his team now injured. He’s also aware that Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava and Jimmy Alapag got hurt in the SMC-RP team’s first game against Iran.

“Now Jordan and the Philippines are playing in a knockout game. But the loser in this game is capable of winning the championship,” said Palma on the eve of the match.

China topped the Doha Asia Games with Iran coming in third and Jordan fourth. Yet, they found themselves in one group with Philippines in the elimination round of the FIBA-Asia men’s championship here. “It’s a joke. But I can’t do anything. I’m just a coach, I’m not a politician,” Palma said.

Posted as seeded teams in the four groups are China, Lebanon, Qatar and South Korea – the top four finishers in the 2005 FIBA-Asia championship in Qatar. The rest of the teams, except host Japan, drew their brackets. After the second round of the draw, Japan chose to join Lebanon and Kuwait in Group B.

The Philippines was drawn second to last, being the second team with the lowest world ranking here. Unfortunately, the Philippines found itself in the Group of Death with China, Iran and Jordan while Indonesia, the lowest-ranked squad, joined Qatar, Kazakhstan and India in Group C.

FIBA-Asia used to employ the inverted “S” bracketing system where the No. 1 and No. 8 teams in the previous championship are put together in one group, No. 2 and No. 7 in another group, No. 3 and No. 6 in their own bracket and No. 4 and No. 5 in the last group.

[crouchingtiger]

Yes, I agree, that there's no point in talking about taking 9th place. I don't think it means anything to the PBA, SBP, and their fans.

Filipinos shouldn't be offended by the Chinese coach's remarks that "You play individually, focusing on one-on-one plays like in the NBA." His remarks were prophetic: Filipinos might be the most skilled players in Asia, but if there's no team play, they'll never make it. Just like those rotten, showboating NBA punks. They'll never win in the Olympics and WBC again with their individual play. On the contrary, Adiljan's remarks should be a challenge to improve the team.

Nothing shameful when you are willing to face the harsh reality. Changes can only be made when you know where is to be changed. :) This is a lot better than the saying of " we shall come back", "we just run out of luck", "if this, if that...given some time, we are still the best in Asia etc."
The fact is, although RP indeed dont deserve to be placed beyond 8th place, but they definitely are not champion contender too. To fairly categorize RPs ranking base from each teams strength, I'd say RP is behind: Jordan, Iran, Korea, Qatar, Lebanon, but better than Taipei and Kazhaks. If RP was not in the group of death, my prediction for RP team is at least 7th and at best 5th.

[pinoyballer]

Nothing shameful when you are willing to face the harsh reality. Changes can only be made when you know where is to be changed. :) This is a lot better than the saying of " we shall come back", "we just run out of luck", "if this, if that...given some time, we are still the best in Asia etc."
The fact is, although RP indeed dont deserve to be placed beyond 8th place, but they definitely are not champion contender too. To fairly categorize RPs ranking base from each teams strength, I'd say RP is behind: Jordan, Iran, Korea, Qatar, Lebanon, but better than Taipei and Kazhaks. If RP was not in the group of death, my prediction for RP team is at least 7th and at best 5th.
I agree, except for a couple of teams: Qatar and Lebanon. I'm not familiar with Qatar, although it has shown itself to be a powerful team. Lebanon looks like a team that has problems handling the Philippines. I think the final four will be Iran, Jordan, Korea, Lebanon, maybe finishing in that order.

So, yes, the Philippines might at best be in 5th-8th in Asia. Now, I take back my previous assessment that the Philippines would have surely made it to the q-finals if they were in another bracket. Now I think that it will be tough for them also if they were in Groups B and C. In Group, they would surely beat all of them, except for maybe Korea.

[thugpinoy]

Yes, I agree, that there's no point in talking about taking 9th place. I don't think it means anything to the PBA, SBP, and their fans.

Filipinos shouldn't be offended by the Chinese coach's remarks that "You play individually, focusing on one-on-one plays like in the NBA." His remarks were prophetic: Filipinos might be the most skilled players in Asia, but if there's no team play, they'll never make it. Just like those rotten, showboating NBA punks. They'll never win in the Olympics and WBC again with their individual play. On the contrary, Adiljan's remarks should be a challenge to improve the team.


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[jaybz]

The moment the last game of the consolation round is done..Coach Chot should resign and a new coach should be selected..I assume that the SBP is discussing who would be the next coach...the RP team is just too nice in the court..why not bring in some nastiness by taking in Yeng Guiao?? as for the players, they should continue to train and maybe leave out the "undesirables" and take in new team players...and most importantly, discover new bigmen...man its very obvious that RP lacks it bigtime...yeah the truth hurts...we may claim back here in the Philippines that we are one of the best here in Asia..but losing in the real games won't back it up...the Philippines needs a lot of catching up...

[thugpinoy]

The moment the last game of the consolation round is done..Coach Chot should resign and a new coach should be selected..I assume that the SBP is discussing who would be the next coach...the RP team is just too nice in the court..why not bring in some nastiness by taking in Yeng Guiao?? as for the players, they should continue to train and maybe leave out the "undesirables" and take in new team players...and most importantly, discover new bigmen...man its very obvious that RP lacks it bigtime...yeah the truth hurts...we may claim back here in the Philippines that we are one of the best here in Asia..but losing in the real games won't back it up...the Philippines needs a lot of catching up...

Yeng Guiao will refuse this role, he is busy as the red bull head coach and as the vice governor of pampanga.
chot reyes is better as an assistant coach, doing the scouting reports from the other teams. we have a lot of good coaches in the country. so next time, not chot please.
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[pinoyballer]

we have a lot of good coaches in the country. so next time, not chot please.
If there's a lot of good coaches, why can't the Philippines measure up in international competition? Because all the present coaches watch and emulate only the US NBA. Why emulate a program in decline? If the PBA cares only about money-making showtime, then there's no hope in international competition outside of miserable SE Asia.

An example here: Faith Academy has a high school of only 200 kids, mostly Americans and Koreans. Their skills are obviously not on par with Filipino kids' skills. Yet, FA can compete well with the best high schools in the Philippines with thousands of kids, e.g., San Beda, Ateneo, La Salle, etc. No, it's not because Americans are taller; in fact, most of the big schools would be taller and bigger than them. But it's apparent in the games we watch that Filipinos lack team play and defensive skills. Why is this? I submit it's because of inferior coaching and training.

Someone pointed out that 5 of the 8 quarterfinal teams have foreign coaches. The Philippines needs to start looking at European or South American coaches. Not just to train players, but to train its future coaches and staff.

[warren99]

i hope PBA will make a team composed of NT players.if the team will have that chemistry, coach can choose right combination, teamwork we could be on right preparation for the next tournament (2009 fiba asia championship, 2010 world championship, 2010 asian games,2011 fiba asia championship, 2012 london olympics).NT need to join more FIBA sanctioned tournaments to gain more respects.we have many good players but some lack height.we need a tall team coaching staff should choose future NT players with height above 6ft... some players in the current NT can still be considered but it depends on their age.they need to have age limit 30 yrs.old yun na oldest.i hope BAP-SBP will also create a league that features asian powerhouse like lebanon,south korea,taiwan etc...why they find it difficult to do this? Basketball have so many help from SMC and MVP.

[rensquared]

I think we should play European style of basketball.. COntinue training, keep the team intact, join more international tournaments... Now we have 2-4 years to prepare..

[rycorpz]

Pilipinas 30 - Syria 33 2nd period 3mins. left

[thugpinoy]

If there's a lot of good coaches, why can't the Philippines measure up in international competition? Because all the present coaches watch and emulate only the US NBA. Why emulate a program in decline? If the PBA cares only about money-making showtime, then there's no hope in international competition outside of miserable SE Asia.

An example here: Faith Academy has a high school of only 200 kids, mostly Americans and Koreans. Their skills are obviously not on par with Filipino kids' skills. Yet, FA can compete well with the best high schools in the Philippines with thousands of kids, e.g., San Beda, Ateneo, La Salle, etc. No, it's not because Americans are taller; in fact, most of the big schools would be taller and bigger than them. But it's apparent in the games we watch that Filipinos lack team play and defensive skills. Why is this? I submit it's because of inferior coaching and training.

Someone pointed out that 5 of the 8 quarterfinal teams have foreign coaches. The Philippines needs to start looking at European or South American coaches. Not just to train players, but to train its future coaches and staff.

Other Sport which RP hired an Foreign Coach, Just like our Amateur Boxing Team, who hired a Cuban and a Foreign Coach before but its doesn't materialised. so hiring a foreign coach for RP NT is close to impossible. first, let us be realistic and not to be blind that we have many good coaches out there. second, the Philippines is not a country who is just starting their basketball program or developing their skills to hire an foreign coach for proper skills, and RP is not like China who is concentrating in European Competitions to hire a Euro Coach, third, This the first time the Real RP NT ( PBA Selection ) failed to give a good showing in an international competition, so dont say why can't the Philippines measure up in international competition?
Changing the Head Coach is an option but not to the point of hiring a Euro/South American or Foreign Coach, why? are you sure that this coaches would teach our local coaches/players their full knowledge in coaching? better to learn through experience.
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[pinoyballer]

This the first time the Real RP NT ( PBA Selection ) failed to give a good showing in an international competition, so dont say why can't the Philippines measure up in international competition?
Yes, this is the "first time." That's because the Philippines has remained stagnant, while all the rest have progressed. And it will fall behind more and more with the current crop of players and coaches.


Changing the Head Coach is an option but not to the point of hiring a
Euro/South American or Foreign Coach, why? are you sure that this coaches would teach our local coaches/players their full knowledge in coaching? better to learn through experience.
Peaceout!:)
Of course, they can! They taught all the other Asian countries, especially China and the Middle East, didn't they? Filipinos have to swallow their pride, and not be so jingoistic.

[ctongco]

I think what's best for now is to continue developing our National Team. The national pool should still continue practicing, especially that the PBA season has not yet started. It would be good to include up and coming players to the pool.

[donmar]

Yes, this is the "first time." That's because the Philippines has remained stagnant, while all the rest have progressed. And it will fall behind more and more with the current crop of players and coaches.


Of course, they can! They taught all the other Asian countries, especially China and the Middle East, didn't they? Filipinos have to swallow their pride, and not be so jingoistic.

I agree!... for once Filipinos should accept that a foreign coach can help us in international tournament... the last time the Philippines won the FIBA Asia Championship, we have an American coach (Ron Jacobs) who produced world class Filipino and naturalized players.. having a South American or a European coach doesn't hurt.. so what if they're foreigner.. they know international basketball more than most Filipino coaches today...

[ctongco]

I agree!... for once Filipinos should accept that a foreign coach can help us in international tournament... the last time the Philippines won the FIBA Asia Championship, we have an American coach (Ron Jacobs) who produced world class Filipino and naturalized players.. having a South American or a European coach doesn't hurt.. so what if they're foreigner.. they know international basketball more than most Filipino coaches today...


More importantly we need a long term coach that is exclusive to our national team. A coach that does not have any other job but to coach and develop our national team.

[saints13]

we have a lot of talented and dedicated coaches here in the Philippines, hiring a foreign coach will be another "hype" for the RP NT, pressure na naman yan kapag hindi nakapagdeliver at may masasabe na naman mga fans.
that's just my opinion, btw, I prefer Coach Chot for the years to come so that he'll continue what he has started from 2004, and he's just starting to learn, as the saying goes, its hard to change horses in the middle of the dessert. :) considering a foreign consultant will do.

translation:
foreign coaches will just build hype and might backfire.

[aklanarcher]

Guys who do you think are good foreign candidates to coach the national team for the long run? However the Filipino coaches association would be against this. Crab mentality indeed.

[ctongco]

we have a lot of talented and dedicated coaches here in the Philippines, hiring a foreign coach will be another "hype" for the RP NT, pressure na naman yan kapag hindi nakapagdeliver at may masasabe na naman mga fans.
that's just my opinion, btw, I prefer Coach Chot for the years to come so that he'll continue what he has started from 2004, and he's just starting to learn, as the saying goes, its hard to change horses in the middle of the dessert. :) considering a foreign consultant will do.

translation:
foreign coaches will just build hype and might backfire.


I also like Coach Chot as our National Team Coach. However, if he will still be the coach of our national team I would prefer him to resign his position as head-coach of SMB. I think it would best for our national team to have our coach exculsive to the team. This way the coach can focus on his job with the national team.

[donmar]

If SBP and the PBA wants to replace Chot Reyes.. they might as well hire a foreign coach but if they want to stick with Chot then that's a good long term plan.. as long as Reyes give up his coaching role in San Miguel Beermen franchise and focus on the National Team... changing coaches after a failure in a major tournament is a bad option...

In rugby union, for more than 10 years, New Zealand always changed their national team head coach after a World Cup failure and as a result they fail over and over again... while England, on the other hand, have one head coach for the three Rugby World Cups... he lead the team to a decent finishes in the first two and win the World Cup in his final year... long term program paid off for the English national rugby union team... if we got that for RP Team it could help us a lot... and the coach can learn his from past experiences...

[clark]

according to an article of Mr. Henson of Philstar the host of the wild card tournament has a slot in a 12 nation wild card tournament. Up for grabs are the 4 remaining final slots. 2 teams from asia will represent which is the 2nd place and 3rd place of FIBA asia is automatically in I hope he's right. Mr. Baumann of FIBA advice SBP to participate in this bidding proces

can you make this clear, so are we getting any chance of making it in the quarter finals? it we have then, its another head ache for jordan and iran team, tang ina, sigurado na mananalo dyan..... hehehe, just an expression (sensya na po):p

[clark]

Guys who do you think are good foreign candidates to coach the national team for the long run? However the Filipino coaches association would be against this. Crab mentality indeed.
i guess not crab mentality or whatever, i believe there are good pinoy coaches that really knows what is the international rule. in fairness to coach chot, i believe that changing him is a step backward, he gain experience and the taste of the international kind of plays, so i guess what we need to replace are those behind him, i mean assistant who are knowledgeble in the ruling. this might help us in.

[BURATIN]

Only Champions book ticket to Beijing

Only the champion of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship will have his ticket secured for the 2008 Olympic Basketball Tournament for Men in Beijing. If China will be the champion, then this right goes to the Vice-Champion, as China is already qualified as host team.

But for those who will not reach the Final in Tokushima, Japan on 5th of August, there will be a second chance for two teams from Asia in the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men. This tournament will be played from 7th – 13th July 2008 in a country and city still to be decided. FIBA will make this decision in December 2007.

The two Asian teams for the 2008 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men will be the two best placed teams of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship in Korea after the champion and excluding China.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/pres/over/p/openNodeIDs/5573/selNodeID/5573/fe_pres_overView.html

[joel23]

I can't understand about Philippine National played in international competitions. Sometimes they do win against stronger teams and lose to weaker teams. Coach Chot Reyes I don't know what's his mind. The establish in defense doesn't click.(Puro paulit-ulit pinuntahan mga depensa nila. For me I watched playing the New Philippine National Team it's 35% real Filipino level...

[pinoyballer]

FIBA-Asia Misfortunre could be a Strategic Loss - MVP
www.pba.ph
Tuesday, 31 July 2007

TOKUSHIMA, Japan. – As the voice of national coach Chot Reyes started to crack with emotion in front of his players and tears fell, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan stepped back, took off his glasses and gently dabbed his eyes.

Grief over watching an Olympic dream die can overwhelm even the most astute of global business minds.

“How depressed am I? Honestly? Very depressed,” said Pangilinan, owner of the Talk ‘N Text Phone Pals. “Sabi nga ni Chot, we’re bleeding. Para sa bansa ’yun.”

Pangilinan, president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, had risen from his table to greet a group of reporters who arrived late for a dinner he hosted at a restaurant in front of the Tokushima Prince Hotel where the national team was billeted.

And he was to go back to his hotel room to pack and catch a dawn flight to Hong Kong. But he stayed a while to address questions from sportswriters and bare his anguish after Reyes’ touching speech.

“It’s not the end of the world for Philippine basketball, But sometimes, minsan, talagang nakakawala ng pag-asa,” he said.

“Sometimes you think, ‘ganito na lang ba?’ Parang, ‘O my God, will we ever make it?’ You find yourself asking that question. Tao ka lang, ’di ba? But there’s still tomorrow. We just have to do better.”

A man used to looking at even the direst of situations from a positive perspective, Pangilinan said the loss to Jordan and consequent elimination from contention in the 24th FIBA-Asia Championship that Tuesday night could be a “strategic loss.”

Expounding, he said: “Sometimes there are more lessons to be learned from losing than from winning. Let’s learn from it. We should be able to analyze what we need to do.”

The team’s disbandment appears apparent since the next major international tournament after the 24th Southeast Asian Games in Thailand in December and the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the target of the entire Philippine involvement in Tokushima, is the 2009 qualifying tournament for the World Championship in Istanbul, Turkey in 2010 where Asia has three representatives.

Pangilinan said that matter will be discussed when a review is made later, as with the possibility of getting one player for naturalization which the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) allows per team.

“You’ve seen a number of them. Nakita mo si [Rasheim] Wright [of Jordan], yung pumatay sa’tin? Amerikano ‘yon,” Pangilinan said. “Kailangan naman medyo balansehin natin. Pero huwag naman wholesale nating i-naturalize sila because the victory will be hollow.”

PBA chairman Ricky Vargas had gathered the ashen-faced players after dinner and thanked them profusely for their effort, assuring them that the PBA and the SBP were one with them every step of the way.

Then Reyes spoke, gravely at first, as he took responsibility for the failed mission, before his voice broke.

“I would go through the whole experience again with these boys,” said Reyes, his left hand on the heaving shoulders of forward Kerby Raymundo whose face was buried in his hands as muted sniffles filled the room.

[pinoyballer]

FIBA-Asia Misfortunre could be a Strategic Loss - MVP
www.pba.ph
Tuesday, 31 July 2007

TOKUSHIMA, Japan.

... “Sometimes you think, ‘ganito na lang ba?’ Parang, ‘O my God, will we ever make it?’ You find yourself asking that question. Tao ka lang, ’di ba? But there’s still tomorrow. We just have to do better.”

Pangilinan said that matter will be discussed when a review is made later, as with the possibility of getting one player for naturalization which the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) allows per team.

“You’ve seen a number of them. Nakita mo si [Rasheim] Wright [of Jordan], yung pumatay sa’tin? Amerikano ‘yon,” Pangilinan said. “Kailangan naman medyo balansehin natin. Pero huwag naman wholesale nating i-naturalize sila because the victory will be hollow.”
"A time to mourn, and a time to dance."

I'm glad MVP is realizing the futility of the Filipino mindset that skills will overcome height disadvantage. Way to go, MVP, if you really pursue a good player for naturalization. I hope it's one of those huge Europeans (Spanish, Greek, etc.), or South Americans, not one of those showboating American punks.

Hopefully, they'll also think about hiring a European or SA coach.

[saints13]

I'm excited for future developments, and MVP and the rest of the RP team think tanks are not dumb, they know what's best for our RP NT. :D

I'm glad Graham Lim and his "inutil" BAP is out of the picture.

[clark]

Yes, this is the "first time." That's because the Philippines has remained stagnant, while all the rest have progressed. And it will fall behind more and more with the current crop of players and coaches.


Of course, they can! They taught all the other Asian countries, especially China and the Middle East, didn't they? Filipinos have to swallow their pride, and not be so jingoistic.
well i guess, there is no need for us to hire those coaches, what we really need is for us prepare, more bonding time with the players. i still believe that we are a big threat, we are more than china, lebanon, qatar, even jordan, we lose beacuse the players are not too ready for the kind of play, second they lack team play.

[donmar]

A naturalized player? hhmmmm?... I hope its a world-class player! - an American or a European or a South American or an African or maybe Chinese or Australian....

[clark]

Only Champions book ticket to Beijing

Only the champion of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship will have his ticket secured for the 2008 Olympic Basketball Tournament for Men in Beijing. If China will be the champion, then this right goes to the Vice-Champion, as China is already qualified as host team.

But for those who will not reach the Final in Tokushima, Japan on 5th of August, there will be a second chance for two teams from Asia in the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men. This tournament will be played from 7th – 13th July 2008 in a country and city still to be decided. FIBA will make this decision in December 2007.

The two Asian teams for the 2008 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men will be the two best placed teams of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship in Korea after the champion and excluding China.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAsia/men/pres/over/p/openNodeIDs/5573/selNodeID/5573/fe_pres_overView.html
im having a hard time in understanding this news, i've read this twice this day, correct me, anyone if im wrong, this means, the champion in this july-august event in tokushima will automatically advance in the olympic, that means china and the champion, right? then there will be some sort of a wild card game for others who will fail in this event in july 2008?

"The two Asian teams for the 2008 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men will be the two best placed teams of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship in Korea after the champion and excluding China."
will there be a game in korea this year?
please i'm a bit confused?

[pinoyballer]

im having a hard time in understanding this news, i've read this twice this day, correct me, anyone if im wrong, this means, the champion in this july-august event in tokushima will automatically advance in the olympic, that means china and the champion, right? then there will be some sort of a wild card game for others who will fail in this event in july 2008?

"The two Asian teams for the 2008 FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament for Men will be the two best placed teams of the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship in Korea after the champion and excluding China."
will there be a game in korea this year?
please i'm a bit confused?
I think the Korean event is a misprint; it should be Japan. It's referring to the ongoing tournament right now.

Only the 2nd and 3rd placer in the Tokushima tournament will go the wild-card tournament next year. So the Philippines is completely out of the 2008 Olympics.

[clark]

FIBA-Asia Misfortunre could be a Strategic Loss - MVP
www.pba.ph
Tuesday, 31 July 2007

TOKUSHIMA, Japan. – As the voice of national coach Chot Reyes started to crack with emotion in front of his players and tears fell, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan stepped back, took off his glasses and gently dabbed his eyes.

Grief over watching an Olympic dream die can overwhelm even the most astute of global business minds.

“How depressed am I? Honestly? Very depressed,” said Pangilinan, owner of the Talk ‘N Text Phone Pals. “Sabi nga ni Chot, we’re bleeding. Para sa bansa ’yun.”

Pangilinan, president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, had risen from his table to greet a group of reporters who arrived late for a dinner he hosted at a restaurant in front of the Tokushima Prince Hotel where the national team was billeted.

And he was to go back to his hotel room to pack and catch a dawn flight to Hong Kong. But he stayed a while to address questions from sportswriters and bare his anguish after Reyes’ touching speech.

“It’s not the end of the world for Philippine basketball, But sometimes, minsan, talagang nakakawala ng pag-asa,” he said.

“Sometimes you think, ‘ganito na lang ba?’ Parang, ‘O my God, will we ever make it?’ You find yourself asking that question. Tao ka lang, ’di ba? But there’s still tomorrow. We just have to do better.”

A man used to looking at even the direst of situations from a positive perspective, Pangilinan said the loss to Jordan and consequent elimination from contention in the 24th FIBA-Asia Championship that Tuesday night could be a “strategic loss.”

Expounding, he said: “Sometimes there are more lessons to be learned from losing than from winning. Let’s learn from it. We should be able to analyze what we need to do.”

The team’s disbandment appears apparent since the next major international tournament after the 24th Southeast Asian Games in Thailand in December and the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the target of the entire Philippine involvement in Tokushima, is the 2009 qualifying tournament for the World Championship in Istanbul, Turkey in 2010 where Asia has three representatives.

Pangilinan said that matter will be discussed when a review is made later, as with the possibility of getting one player for naturalization which the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) allows per team.

“You’ve seen a number of them. Nakita mo si [Rasheim] Wright [of Jordan], yung pumatay sa’tin? Amerikano ‘yon,” Pangilinan said. “Kailangan naman medyo balansehin natin. Pero huwag naman wholesale nating i-naturalize sila because the victory will be hollow.”

PBA chairman Ricky Vargas had gathered the ashen-faced players after dinner and thanked them profusely for their effort, assuring them that the PBA and the SBP were one with them every step of the way.

Then Reyes spoke, gravely at first, as he took responsibility for the failed mission, before his voice broke.

“I would go through the whole experience again with these boys,” said Reyes, his left hand on the heaving shoulders of forward Kerby Raymundo whose face was buried in his hands as muted sniffles filled the room.

i guess a naturalized player, should be a dominating center, otherwise he will be as helpless like our good PG and SG. somebody like shaq or if its too much, like tim duncan or kevin garnette..... hehehehe English please. maybe our imports, in like of the one from SMB team English please ALVARADO. im itching to take some revenge to those who beat us...... arrrgggghhhh

[clark]

I think the Korean event is a misprint; it should be Japan. It's referring to the ongoing tournament right now.

Only the 2nd and 3rd placer in the Tokushima tournament will go the wild-card tournament next year. So the Philippines is completely out of the 2008 Olympics.

wow, yeah i guess it too, thanks bro, the other i read if im not mistaken is from quinito henson, telling that FIBA is inviting us in 12 nation wild card thing. i am looking forward for something like miracle or something to happen for us to come back. hehehehe

[donmar]

I think the Korean event is a misprint; it should be Japan. It's referring to the ongoing tournament right now.

Only the 2nd and 3rd placer in the Tokushima tournament will go the wild-card tournament next year. So the Philippines is completely out of the 2008 Olympics.

Unless the Philippines bid to host the Wild Card Tournament next year then we still got a chance

[reamily]

Recruit Mario Palma from Jordan to be our coach he is excellent he made jordan a contender and dream is not over we can host the olympic qualifiers host gets auto slot

[crouchingtiger]

first, let us be realistic and not to be blind that we have many good coaches out there. second, the Philippines is not a country who is just starting their basketball program or developing their skills to hire an foreign coach for proper skills.
Peaceout!:)

To answer your question,
1) No, for international competition, you dont have many good coaches out there as the matter of fact you have none! you name me any coaches from Phil with good CV on international experience and this is realistic. Your thinking is unrealistic and pretty much of a gamblers mentatlity, not willing to face the truth.

2) Yes, you are a country just starting to develop a program for international basketball therefore you need foreign coaches to teach you what FIBA basketball emphasizes. You are a baby in international basketball, you will start to grow only after you admit it!
3) You and most of you all have a vainglorious estimate of your basketball ability, it will only hinder your growth and progress!

[crouchingtiger]

Recruit Mario Palma from Jordan to be our coach he is excellent he made jordan a contender and dream is not over we can host the olympic qualifiers host gets auto slot

Thats a good start! Filipinos should not contain themselves in the Phil only, they should pay attention to the outside world.
Palma single handedly led Angola to championship . Angola is a country laden with famine and war. If a country like that can hire Palma why can't Phil?

[crouchingtiger]

You guys should do more homework. here goes one..
Question, does anyone here know that ex-coach of Lebanon with whom Lebanon beat France?

[donmar]

Thats a good start! Filipinos should not contain themselves in the Phil only, they should pay attention to the outside world.
Palma single handedly led Angola to championship . Angola is a country laden with famine and war. If a country like that can hire Palma why can't Phil?

I agree!... why can't we hired him?.. Palma!

[reamily]

You guys should do more homework. here goes one..
Question, does anyone here know that ex-coach of Lebanon with whom Lebanon beat France?

Its Paul Coughter, were just doing like what ron jacobs and tim cone do in our phil basketball

[Butata]

If we're serious in getting a foreign coach and a naturalized player, then we're actually going full circle back to the Danding Cojuangco program of the early to mid-80's w/c was so successful. Of course, the centerpiece of that program was the brilliance of Ron Jacobs. :)

In fact, our last two major Asian championships (ABC Men's '86 and ABC Youth '82) were the result of that successful program. ;)

[clark]

according to an article of Mr. Henson of Philstar the host of the wild card tournament has a slot in a 12 nation wild card tournament. Up for grabs are the 4 remaining final slots. 2 teams from asia will represent which is the 2nd place and 3rd place of FIBA asia is automatically in I hope he's right. Mr. Baumann of FIBA advice SBP to participate in this bidding proces
rycorpz, i just read the philstar today, looking for the article of quinito henson, wala dun bro, anong date ba yung statement nya na yan.

[clark]

You guys should do more homework. here goes one..
Question, does anyone here know that ex-coach of Lebanon with whom Lebanon beat France?
it might work, but as the present situation now, its a step backward, it takes time for them to gel as one, to play as one and to win as one. as i see it, we will need another 5 to 10 years to build this one up, where as chot, nearly accomplishing the task, has been meeting this group in 2 to 3 years. for the record, this is their first big time exposure internationally. for a start, as i see it is good. all big dreams come from simple begining. we are making it happen. MABUHAY KA PILIPINAS.

[onono1]

FIBA-Asia Misfortunre could be a Strategic Loss - MVP
www.pba.ph
Tuesday, 31 July 2007

TOKUSHIMA, Japan. – As the voice of national coach Chot Reyes started to crack with emotion in front of his players and tears fell, telecommunications tycoon Manny V. Pangilinan stepped back, took off his glasses and gently dabbed his eyes.

Grief over watching an Olympic dream die can overwhelm even the most astute of global business minds.

“How depressed am I? Honestly? Very depressed,” said Pangilinan, owner of the Talk ‘N Text Phone Pals. “Sabi nga ni Chot, we’re bleeding. Para sa bansa ’yun.”

Pangilinan, president of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, had risen from his table to greet a group of reporters who arrived late for a dinner he hosted at a restaurant in front of the Tokushima Prince Hotel where the national team was billeted.

And he was to go back to his hotel room to pack and catch a dawn flight to Hong Kong. But he stayed a while to address questions from sportswriters and bare his anguish after Reyes’ touching speech.

“It’s not the end of the world for Philippine basketball, But sometimes, minsan, talagang nakakawala ng pag-asa,” he said.

“Sometimes you think, ‘ganito na lang ba?’ Parang, ‘O my God, will we ever make it?’ You find yourself asking that question. Tao ka lang, ’di ba? But there’s still tomorrow. We just have to do better.”

A man used to looking at even the direst of situations from a positive perspective, Pangilinan said the loss to Jordan and consequent elimination from contention in the 24th FIBA-Asia Championship that Tuesday night could be a “strategic loss.”

Expounding, he said: “Sometimes there are more lessons to be learned from losing than from winning. Let’s learn from it. We should be able to analyze what we need to do.”

The team’s disbandment appears apparent since the next major international tournament after the 24th Southeast Asian Games in Thailand in December and the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the target of the entire Philippine involvement in Tokushima, is the 2009 qualifying tournament for the World Championship in Istanbul, Turkey in 2010 where Asia has three representatives.

Pangilinan said that matter will be discussed when a review is made later, as with the possibility of getting one player for naturalization which the International Basketball Federation (FIBA) allows per team.

“You’ve seen a number of them. Nakita mo si [Rasheim] Wright [of Jordan], yung pumatay sa’tin? Amerikano ‘yon,” Pangilinan said. “Kailangan naman medyo balansehin natin. Pero huwag naman wholesale nating i-naturalize sila because the victory will be hollow.”
PBA chairman Ricky Vargas had gathered the ashen-faced players after dinner and thanked them profusely for their effort, assuring them that the PBA and the SBP were one with them every step of the way.

Then Reyes spoke, gravely at first, as he took responsibility for the failed mission, before his voice broke.

“I would go through the whole experience again with these boys,” said Reyes, his left hand on the heaving shoulders of forward Kerby Raymundo whose face was buried in his hands as muted sniffles filled the room.

I fully agree with mr. manny pangilinan's plan to get a naturalized player for the philippines probably a center or a swingman.

[rensquared]

I fully agree with mr. manny pangilinan's plan to get a naturalized player for the philippines probably a center or a swingman.

Very inspiring.. It reminded me of the marketing advertisement of Converse with D-Wade... FALL SEVEN TIMES, GET UP EIGHT!!!

[bolabasket]

I fully agree with mr. manny pangilinan's plan to get a naturalized player for the philippines probably a center or a swingman.
TOTALLY UNCONDITIONALLY AGREE....WE NEED A TRUE CENTER!

[crouchingtiger]

it might work, but as the present situation now, its a step backward, it takes time for them to gel as one, to play as one and to win as one. as i see it, we will need another 5 to 10 years to build this one up, where as chot, nearly accomplishing the task, has been meeting this group in 2 to 3 years. for the record, this is their first big time exposure internationally. for a start, as i see it is good. all big dreams come from simple begining. we are making it happen. MABUHAY KA PILIPINAS.

Why 5-10 years? it did not take Paul that long to bring Lebanon to beat France, it didn't take Palma 10 years to clinch that african championship either. Jonas of China is only into his second year of coaching China. I'd say it will take about 3 years from signing coach's contract to selection of young prospect to compete in an international scene with some progess. Is three years too long? if you keep pondering in these questions and not doing any action, this 3 years will take forever!

[otneib]

if ever chot reyes would relinquish his job as phil nt coach and we subsequenty hire a foreign coach to mentor our national team, i presume the BCAP would again have a fit, similar to what they did to ron jacobs when san miguel hired him as head coach and to the american coach that was hired by mobiline (forgot his name), which eventually led to their ouster. Is the BCAP's "clout" limited to the PBA or does it extend beyond that? will pinoy crab mentality again have a field day and ruin, again, any chance that we may have to learn the international style of basketball? enlighten me please :confused:

[pepiyows]

We still have the consolation round to play and here are the groupings:

Group III: Pilipinas Kuwait India Syria

Group IV: China UAE Indonesia Hongkong

We'll most likely steamroll past Kuwait and India and have a more competitive game against Syria but I'm sure we'll top this group.

China will most definitely top their group also. The winner of both groups automatically face-off for the 9th place game.

So in order to get 9th, we must beat China again!!! Who would have ever predicted this scenario? ;)

well, we always dreamt of beating china anyways...

should we top our group and china tops the other group, beat them up for the 9th place and this will be a personal vendetta for the RP NT - it's like grabbing the CHAMPIONSHIPS... in our OWN WORLD though *hep2x-hooray*

%^)

[crouchingtiger]

well, we always dreamt of beating china anyways...

should we top our group and china tops the other group, beat them up for the 9th place and this will be a personal vendetta for the RP NT - it's like grabbing the CHAMPIONSHIPS... in our OWN WORLD though *hep2x-hooray*

%^)
You have my deepest pity.

[onono1]

TOTALLY UNCONDITIONALLY AGREE....WE NEED A TRUE CENTER!

YES! A true center is what we needed most, but who among our home grown big men has the ability to fill the center slot? So, why dont we get a naturalized center for our national squad...

[bolabasket]

YES! A true center is what we needed most, but who among our home grown big men has the ability to fill the center slot? So, why dont we get a naturalized center for our national squad...
We should put aside restrictions of height limits for imports in the PBA...then hopefully maybe after evaluation, we could naturalize one good center.

[saints13]

what about the Centers we have in the Philippines? are they fake Centers? :D LOL What we need is 2 to 3 more Asi Taulavas in the future.

[Abtik]

I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work. We already have big guys in amateur leagues right now. Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough. What we need is how to develop these big men and to continue playing in fiba sanctioned leagues. Hiring a foreign coach is also not important. We should develop our own style of playing basketball. Pinoy style of basketball and not american, european or any other countries basketball style. Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya. Invent our own style to confuse our opponent.

[saints13]

I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work. We already have big guys in amateur leagues right now. Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough. What we need is how to develop these big men and to continue playing in fiba sanctioned leagues. Hiring a foreign coach is also not important. We should develop our own style of playing basketball. Pinoy style of basketball and not american, european or any other countries basketball style. Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya. Invent our own style to confuse our opponent.

naturalizing is easier than developing big men, but it would be better if we could develop big men for the international competitions plus utilizing the one naturalized player per squad, but I don't think naturalizing is necessary since we could be able to find half-bred Filipinos who are tall enough to be centers in the near future. and about our own style of basketball, I would prefer the best of both American and European basketball, basketball w/ style and substance :D

[bolabasket]

I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work. We already have big guys in amateur leagues right now. Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough. What we need is how to develop these big men and to continue playing in fiba sanctioned leagues. Hiring a foreign coach is also not important. We should develop our own style of playing basketball. Pinoy style of basketball and not american, european or any other countries basketball style. Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya. Invent our own style to confuse our opponent.
My comments:

6-10 Samigue Eman - too soft; he could be a project though
6-11 Slaughter - nobody has seen him in real play; a quicker version of EJ Feihl?
6-9 Aguilar - he could be a shoo-in for RP Team if he has the time; he's more of a power forward
6-7 Devance - another forward
6-8 Chiu - I don't think he wants to play for NT
6-7 Washington - could be considered in NT Pool as a forward
6-8 Thoss - should be in the RP Team replacing Menk
6-3 Pingris - undersized power forward but could be an asset in the RP Team
6-8 Reyes - I've mentioned him to replace Pennisi

International basketball has become open, Japan has JR Sakuragi, Jordan has Wright, Lebanon has Vogel...they even have foreign coaches.

[DaveMap2007]

If the slot of Menk was given to Thoss things might be different...Thoss have play with Chot in the Las Vegas games he already had the idea of the system...Thoss if you will be matured to observed him is a TEAM PLAYING ORIENTED CENTER. He does the rebounds and defense for Alaska and is very selective in high percentage shots.....Plus he has the beef and height to mixed in up in paint....Their is nothing wrong of putting a Christian Laetner version of our own Dream team just what the american did in 92....well we cant do anyting right now.....except a Black September type terrorist will show up in Japan and killed the entire Iran and Jordan squad....kidding aside :)

[pinoyballer]

I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work. We already have big guys in amateur leagues right now. Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough. What we need is how to develop these big men and to continue playing in fiba sanctioned leagues. Hiring a foreign coach is also not important. We should develop our own style of playing basketball. Pinoy style of basketball and not american, european or any other countries basketball style. Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya. Invent our own style to confuse our opponent.
This is just an example of Filipinos in denial of reality... like a girl I know whose husband died, but still continues to set up her dining table as if her husband is eating with her.

"Hiring a foreign coach is also not important." It must be pure coincidence that five of the eight quarterfinalists have foreign coaches. And the last Philippine FIBA championship team had a foreign coach.

"I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work." When was the last time the Philippines won FIBA-Asia? 1986. How? Three naturalized players. This is the height of denial, just like someone who said that height doesn't matter in basketball, but skills do.

"Invent our own style to confuse our opponent." Nice concept: a 6'4" player making magic and hocus-pocus on the court, like the Harlem Globetrotters, to confuse his 6'10" opponent. (Hopefully, FIBA doesn't have rules against magic on the court.) Did the Europeans "invent" their own style to win? No, they just had better coaching, training, and team play. And being as tall as the Americans also helped. The Philippines needs a European or SA coach.

"Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya." Aren't Filipinos the best imitators in the world? And when they imitate, they take it to the extreme . Copy all the good things from the rest of the world, and throw away all the bad stuff. (I don't want to cite examples, lest everybody gets offended) Filipinos, you're the best in the world at copying - copy all the best of the basketball world!

"Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough." Hmmm.... Just wondering why none of them were good enough for the NT. Do you think that if these were trained till they're blue in the face, they would be able to match up with the Iranian, Jordanian, Chinese, and Lebanese 7-footers?

[bolabasket]

That's exactly my point...pinoyballer just had a more elaborate explanation on abtik's post....well, we respect his views.:)

[DaveMap2007]

EJ Feihl has been trained, rediculed, verbally abused to realize his playing career but to no avail............now he is 34 plus yrs old and right now have not yet develop....Same as to the Eman, Slaugher things ok so dont bet your money to this guys...Chiu is another Paul Tanchi so cross him out eve nhe promise to play(reasoning it wont affect his study)....to only thing that left is Japeth.................

[clark]

That's exactly my point...pinoyballer just had a more elaborate explanation on abtik's post....well, we respect his views.:)
no i guess, its not as acceptable as he wanted to view it, that is what people look at us because we are too dumb in embracing others, and if we excel in doing our own stuff, others might as well tell us that we are too dumb to do things out of their perspective. if there is one thing we could look back and look forward is learning from our mistake, and regroup our soldiers. foreign coach or altering chot is definetly a step backward, in the first place were not going to make it half-way if chot is not good. playing as a team, working as a team, winning as team, even losing as team. once upon a time in the history of asian basketball philippine stand tall, we are regaining it. walang china, walang iran, walang lebanon, even jordan. in view to the upcoming player "baller", wait till you see them play. we are learning our lesson, and its fast, wait and see what does it mean to have the "PINOY PRIDE".

[clark]

[QUOTE=crouchingtiger]Why 5-10 years? it did not take Paul that long to bring Lebanon to beat France, it didn't take Palma 10 years to clinch that african championship either. Jonas of China is only into his second year of coaching China. I'd say it will take about 3 years from signing coach's contract to selection of young prospect to compete in an international scene with some progess. Is three years too long? if you keep pondering in these questions and not doing any action, this 3 years will take forever![/QUOT
well when was lebanon excell in basketball, palma gaining what others have sow in lebanon. does palma do his move at the first year of lebanon playing basketball, then if so, i agree we have to get another palma. philippine basketball was stablished before others in asia do, what we need is little more rust scrubbing for us to shine and looks like new. hehehe

[pinoyballer]

in view to the upcoming player "baller", wait till you see them play. we are learning our lesson, and its fast, wait and see what does it mean to have the "PINOY PRIDE".
No, I'm not saying that Filipinos shouldn't be proud of their basketball - they should, even in losing! But be realistic: the Philippines will never regain supremacy in Asia without the height. Filipinos might be getting taller, but all the others are also getting taller.

[DaveMap2007]

Coach Reyes is the number 1 enemy of Foreign Coaches is the main critics of hiring the two american coaches of Talk n Text and also the american coach of Shell........He wont allow it to happen......

[thugpinoy]

To answer your question,
1) No, for international competition, you dont have many good coaches out there as the matter of fact you have none! you name me any coaches from Phil with good CV on international experience and this is realistic. Your thinking is unrealistic and pretty much of a gamblers mentatlity, not willing to face the truth.

2) Yes, you are a country just starting to develop a program for international basketball therefore you need foreign coaches to teach you what FIBA basketball emphasizes. You are a baby in international basketball, you will start to grow only after you admit it!
3) You and most of you all have a vainglorious estimate of your basketball ability, it will only hinder your growth and progress!

Its not about hiring a Foreign coach with good international experience and a good knowledge about FIBA Rules, we are talking about Good Coaches as a " Coach ", who can motivates the team, having a good on-game decision, leading the team. Local Coach can do that.
RP is not a baby in international basketball, in fact, they even picked RP as one of the contenders here in FIBA Asia, the team may be young, but they are not baby like Cambodia or Brunei as what you are trying to say.
Why rich teams like Korea and Japan did not come up to this kind of idea?
They know they dont need a " Foreign Coach " to be a powerhouse team.
I know you are dissapointed with the outcome of RP ( admit it ), but hiring a foreign coach is not an option at all ( Thats more of a Gamblers Mentality ), a long shot, where there are a lot of coaches out there ( Basketball Coaches of the Philippines ) who are just waiting for commitment.
Some what your " Foreign Coach " may help RP educate how Europes play ball, but you are sounding Colonial Mentality thinking that Local Coaches cannot do better despite having a good team.
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[thekidd]

yeah!!!id love to see those chinese get beaten again just to shut the mouth of adjilan! tho its their team b still i know they went there to win...:D


TRY TO BEAT OTHER TEAMS ALSO!!!!

Wag lang China!!!!

Hurray for Coach Choke!!!

He beat China!!!! China ALONE!!!!!!

Hurray!!!!

[Ventisei26]

Guys, I have some questions for you, especially to those in favor for naturalizing a foreign player to the RP team.

If you naturalize a foreign player, where would this player play in the Philippines professionally?

We all know that the rules of the PBA, that in order for you to play there, one of your parents must be Filipino citizen at the time of your birth.

Unless, the PBA change its tight rule and allow those foreigners who was born and grew up in the Philippines (and became Filipino citizens) to play in the PBA. I know there are foreigners who were born in the Philippines wanted to play in the PBA. Take Alex Compton for example.

[thugpinoy]

My comments:

6-10 Samigue Eman - too soft; he could be a project though
6-11 Slaughter - nobody has seen him in real play; a quicker version of EJ Feihl?
6-9 Aguilar - he could be a shoo-in for RP Team if he has the time; he's more of a power forward
6-7 Devance - another forward
6-8 Chiu - I don't think he wants to play for NT
6-7 Washington - could be considered in NT Pool as a forward
6-8 Thoss - should be in the RP Team replacing Menk
6-3 Pingris - undersized power forward but could be an asset in the RP Team
6-8 Reyes - I've mentioned him to replace Pennisi

International basketball has become open, Japan has JR Sakuragi, Jordan has Wright, Lebanon has Vogel...they even have foreign coaches.

I dont think so about Japeth Aguilar, he hasn't prove anything in US NCAA, and this year, his Junior Year, he may come off the bech around 6-9 minutes per game, because his team, Western Kentucky University Hilltoppers have a pretty number of Senior Players. the fact that we know that he is 6'9, sit out on last year's NCAA season to gain weight and muscle and having a 5 ppg. stats on his rookie year at ATENEO before. we will see if he's a revelation this coming November as the new season of US NCAA starts.
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[thekidd]

I dont think so about Japeth Aguilar, he hasn't prove anything in US NCAA, and this year, his Junior Year, he may come off the bech around 6-9 minutes per game, because his team, Western Kentucky University Hilltoppers have a pretty number of Senior Players. the fact that we know that he is 6'9, sit out on last year's NCAA season to gain weight and muscle and having a 5 ppg. stats on his rookie year at ATENEO before. we will see if he's a revelation this coming November as the new season of US NCAA starts.


JUST REMOVE THE COACH!!!!

[pinoyballer]

Guys, I have some questions for you, especially to those in favor for naturalizing a foreign player to the RP team.

If you naturalize a foreign player, where would this player play in the Philippines professionally?

We all know that the rules of the PBA, that in order for you to play there, one of your parents must be Filipino citizen at the time of your birth.

Unless, the PBA change its tight rule and allow those foreigners who was born and grew up in the Philippines (and became Filipino citizens) to play in the PBA. I know there are foreigners who were born in the Philippines wanted to play in the PBA. Take Alex Compton for example.

The idea of a naturalized player for the Philippines should only be to get a good big and tall center. Not guards and forwards, but a center.

[joel23]

My comments:

6-10 Samigue Eman - too soft; he could be a project though
6-11 Slaughter - nobody has seen him in real play; a quicker version of EJ Feihl?
6-9 Aguilar - he could be a shoo-in for RP Team if he has the time; he's more of a power forward
6-7 Devance - another forward
6-8 Chiu - I don't think he wants to play for NT
6-7 Washington - could be considered in NT Pool as a forward
6-8 Thoss - should be in the RP Team replacing Menk
6-3 Pingris - undersized power forward but could be an asset in the RP Team
6-8 Reyes - I've mentioned him to replace Pennisi

International basketball has become open, Japan has JR Sakuragi, Jordan has Wright, Lebanon has Vogel...they even have foreign coaches.

Sonny Thoss - must improve outside shooting
Samigue Eman - soft, fear of defense

remove Marc Pingris

[kerouac82]

JUST REMOVE THE COACH!!!!

And this, my friends, is what we call "flooding".

Nice job, thekidd. By the time you reach 100 posts, we'd have learned more about X's and O's than our NT coach can ever teach us.

(Right.)

[kerouac82]

I dont think so about Japeth Aguilar, he hasn't prove anything in US NCAA, and this year, his Junior Year, he may come off the bech around 6-9 minutes per game, because his team, Western Kentucky University Hilltoppers have a pretty number of Senior Players. the fact that we know that he is 6'9, sit out on last year's NCAA season to gain weight and muscle and having a 5 ppg. stats on his rookie year at ATENEO before. we will see if he's a revelation this coming November as the new season of US NCAA starts.

The Hilltoppers may have a lot of seniors, but none of them play center. He will have to compete for playing time, though, with rookies DJ Magley and A'Darius Pegues. My intuition is he will start a number of games at center, depending on the opponent, and will slide down to the 4 as the season progresses.

[thekidd]

And this, my friends, is what we call "flooding".

Nice job, thekidd. By the time you reach 100 posts, we'd have learned more about X's and O's than our NT coach can ever teach us.

(Right.)

Well,

if you can see the other threads they are looking for putting other players in the line up of the RP NT....

I say they looking on the wrong guy...

Why not evaluate the current coach??? and try to ponder if he deserves another shot?

Bet you like him... Coz me I simply don't... you are free to disagree... I stand firmly on what I believe....

[thugpinoy]

The idea of a naturalized player for the Philippines should only be to get a good big and tall center. Not guards and forwards, but a center.

This is what we need, ceiling and heft in the middle. since Asi is outbound in team ( i guess he had his share of national pride )
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[thugpinoy]

The Hilltoppers may have a lot of seniors, but none of them play center. He will have to compete for playing time, though, with rookies DJ Magley and A'Darius Pegues. My intuition is he will start a number of games at center, depending on the opponent, and will slide down to the 4 as the season progresses.

They also have this Junior Big Man from Cameroon, but we'll see how Japeth fares, who knows :)
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[kerouac82]

You said this:




Why not evaluate the current coach??? and try to ponder if he deserves another shot?



I bet you haven't done that yet. Your posts, and the way you're posting them, smack of impulsiveness. Five months is not enough to turn a team into a championship contender.

BTW, the SBP just called. They said they'd like to partake of your genius. :D

[BURATIN]

i hope we could find a 7'5 player hehehehe

also the pba should remove the height limit rule of an import so that our players will be familiar with those kind of players

[Ventisei26]

The idea of a naturalized player for the Philippines should only be to get a good big and tall center. Not guards and forwards, but a center.

I guess you didn't get my question about naturalizing a foreign player.

My question was: Where would this naturalize foreign player play professionally in the Philippines?

You know the rules of the PBA. Players can only play in the PBA as local if they have Filipino lineage. That means naturalized players are not allowed. Don't tell me that the naturalized player will just sit and wait till the next international basketball tournament.

Change the PBA rules first before talking about naturalizing a foreign player, because if you naturalize a player and this player cannot even play in the PBA as local, then it just a waste of money and time.

[thugpinoy]

I guess you didn't get my question about naturalizing a foreign player.

My question was: Where would this naturalize foreign player play professionally in the Philippines?

You know the rules of the PBA. Players can only play in the PBA as local if they have Filipino lineage. That means naturalized players are not allowed. Don't tell me that the naturalized player will just sit and wait till the next international basketball tournament.

Change the PBA rules first before talking about naturalizing a foreign player, because if you naturalize a player and this player cannot even play in the PBA as local, then it just a waste of money and time.

PBA is planning to expand into 12 teams, maybe there will be a new PBA team plus the RP NT Training Team, we dont know, you know the powers of MVP.
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[DaveMap2007]

having Foreign players was already planned way back in 2005 by Noli Eala Himself dream of....that was the timing the PBA was forming the pool of national players also.....dont wori Noli will bring back the idea to board members who has hesistant at that time.......

[Project888]

putting foreign guys in the pba sucks!!! what if it's an iranian or a jordanian!! the jordan team will recruit that player and just give the rp team a more hard game!
they should get a naturalize player or a player who wants to be naturalize and promise that player to play for our country if he is needed!
damn we really need a "yao ming" of the philippines!

[crouchingtiger]

I fully agree with mr. manny pangilinan's plan to get a naturalized player for the philippines probably a center or a swingman.
To get a tall and legit center is what they should've done before this tournament begins, I 've been suggesting this even 2 months ago (in another forum where joel 23 is lebron23) when everyone was saying RP is going to be champ.
Now that the tournament is over, there are more things to be done than to look for a legit c/pf. A long term program should be implemented, it should consists of finding experienced coach,assisstants, possible tall and skillful prospects in all 5 positions.Then the new RP team should join some off season european competitions ,( like the summer league of NBA) regularly. Here in asia, only Stankovic cup is worthy of joining, Phil should even come up with a Stakovic cup of your own. Once RP is used to playing with highly competitive and physical european teams, when they meet the asian counterparts next time around, things can come easy.

[watiwawa]

I dont think so about Japeth Aguilar, he hasn't prove anything in US NCAA, and this year, his Junior Year, he may come off the bech around 6-9 minutes per game, because his team, Western Kentucky University Hilltoppers have a pretty number of Senior Players. the fact that we know that he is 6'9, sit out on last year's NCAA season to gain weight and muscle and having a 5 ppg. stats on his rookie year at ATENEO before. we will see if he's a revelation this coming November as the new season of US NCAA starts.

it's because he's a redshirt transfer..

japeth will play 4. and the 5 ppg.. when he's here in the philippines he's not really an offensive player.. he plays for defense.. and now he trains in us.. he can now play offense..

i expect him better than the fil-ams...
but i think when yearsm comes.. many williams, norwoods,.

actually a new alapag is now entering pba... a guy named RYAN REYES(bka pure pinoy din kaso laking us..) and the jeff dosado guy...

many new fil-ams will come and become interested in playing for RP after this Fiba asia.. but i hope a Center will come.. not just 1 center, if they are 7 bring them all.. hehe

[thugpinoy]

To get a tall and legit center is what they should've done before this tournament begins, I 've been suggesting this even 2 months ago (in another forum where joel 23 is lebron23) when everyone was saying RP is going to be champ.
Now that the tournament is over, there are more things to be done than to look for a legit c/pf. A long term program should be implemented, it should consists of finding experienced coach,assisstants, possible tall and skillful prospects in all 5 positions.Then the new RP team should join some off season european competitions ,( like the summer league of NBA) regularly. Here in asia, only Stankovic cup is worthy of joining, Phil should even come up with a Stakovic cup of your own. Once RP is used to playing with highly competitive and physical european teams, when they meet the asian counterparts next time around, things can some easy.


now i have to agree with this. China beats Venezuela in Stankovic Cup last week. Next Year invite European and Other Asian teams in the 2nd Manila Invitationals.
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[crouchingtiger]

This is just an example of Filipinos in denial of reality... like a girl I know whose husband died, but still continues to set up her dining table as if her husband is eating with her.

"Hiring a foreign coach is also not important." It must be pure coincidence that five of the eight quarterfinalists have foreign coaches. And the last Philippine FIBA championship team had a foreign coach.

"I'm not sure that getting a naturalized player will work." When was the last time the Philippines won FIBA-Asia? 1986. How? Three naturalized players. This is the height of denial, just like someone who said that height doesn't matter in basketball, but skills do.

"Invent our own style to confuse our opponent." Nice concept: a 6'4" player making magic and hocus-pocus on the court, like the Harlem Globetrotters, to confuse his 6'10" opponent. (Hopefully, FIBA doesn't have rules against magic on the court.) Did the Europeans "invent" their own style to win? No, they just had better coaching, training, and team play. And being as tall as the Americans also helped. The Philippines needs a European or SA coach.

"Wag tayong masyadong nangongopya." Aren't Filipinos the best imitators in the world? And when they imitate, they take it to the extreme . Copy all the good things from the rest of the world, and throw away all the bad stuff. (I don't want to cite examples, lest everybody gets offended) Filipinos, you're the best in the world at copying - copy all the best of the basketball world!

"Guys like Eman, Slaughter, Aguilar, Devance, Chiu and some of our PBA talents like Washington, Thoss, Pingris and Reyes are good enough." Hmmm.... Just wondering why none of them were good enough for the NT. Do you think that if these were trained till they're blue in the face, they would be able to match up with the Iranian, Jordanian, Chinese, and Lebanese 7-footers?
well said, I hope there will be more fans like you, the Phil basketball authority will have to make changes if the fan base with such ideology is big!

[pinoyballer]

Where would this naturalize foreign player play professionally in the Philippines?

Change the PBA rules first before talking about naturalizing a foreign player...
Good question.

By all means, change the rules! Whatever it takes. Are rules more important than winning basketball games?

[onono1]

putting foreign guys in the pba sucks!!! what if it's an iranian or a jordanian!! the jordan team will recruit that player and just give the rp team a more hard game!
they should get a naturalize player or a player who wants to be naturalize and promise that player to play for our country if he is needed!
damn we really need a "yao ming" of the philippines!

Well, who wants to naturalize a foreigner who wont give his best shot to serve for the philippine flag. The philippines should offer attractive benefits and good incentives to attract competent foreign cager to be naturalized by our country...

[SkyWalker]

Well, who wants to naturalize a foreigner who wont give his best shot to serve for the philippine flag. The philippines should offer attractive benefits and good incentives to attract competent foreign cager to be naturalized by our country...

i think, inorder for the SBP to save some money in naturalizing a foreign bred player, is for them to give this naturalized player a stock placement from both San Miguel and PLDT shares. In this manner, he'll be tied up with SMC and PLDT. :D Probably, the two biggest company in the Phils.

Another option is like having a peace offering for the player, like what they did in Kingkong, were they offer girls to the monster.. hahaha, just kidding!:D

[rycorpz]

i think, inorder for the SBP to save some money in naturalizing a foreign bred player, is for them to give this naturalized player a stock placement from both San Miguel and PLDT shares. In this manner, he'll be tied up with SMC and PLDT. :D Probably, the two biggest company in the Phils.

Another option is like having a peace offering for the player, like what they did in Kingkong, were they offer girls to the monster.. hahaha, just kidding!:D
dude if ever the rules will change that player will play SMC or PLDT franchise in the PBA ( no chance for other team to draft him up )

[thugpinoy]

maybe the PBA will allow to have a Direct Hire Foreigner for each team to play as a local.
longshot but possible, leading to have a Naturalize Player.
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[saints13]

maybe the PBA will allow to have a Direct Hire Foreigner for each team to play as a local.
longshot but possible, leading to have a Naturalize Player.

that will be the death of the PBA for sure :)

remember back in 1999, when the Filams were direct hired because the PBA was threatened by the market share of MBA, a year after controversies came one by one, and poof, nobody wanted to watch the PBA, old-timers hated the league and didn't care anymore because they are not seeing homegrowns anymore. the college basketball is even more popular than the PBA, and its the guys who are popular in college that is making fans watch PBA once again.

your suggestion is quite drastic, but who knows, maybe the PBA will be willing to do some drastic measures :D

[thugpinoy]

that will be the death of the PBA for sure :)

remember back in 1999, when the Filams were direct hired because the PBA was threatened by the market share of MBA, a year after controversies came one by one, and poof, nobody wanted to watch the PBA, old-timers hated the league and didn't care anymore because they are not seeing homegrowns anymore. the college basketball is even more popular than the PBA, and its the guys who are popular in college that is making fans watch PBA once again.

your suggestion is quite drastic, but who knows, maybe the PBA will be willing to do some drastic measures :D

Need a Big Man in the Middle desperately :D
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[saints13]

Need a Big Man in the Middle desperately :D

yeah, I feel desperate too :D

but if that was a Bobby Parks or an Alex Compton kind-of-foreigner, I'd be glad to call him one of our boys. :D

even Sam Ekwe fits the description, he's not a 7'0" guy but he's big. :D

what I like to happen, as a Filipino fan, if naturalizing a player is badly needed for the RP team, I would like to see a naturalized player who is Phillipine-based and who is loved by the Filipino people and someone who loves being Filipino. :)

[thugpinoy]

yeah, I feel desperate too :D

but if that was a Bobby Parks or an Alex Compton kind-of-foreigner, I'd be glad to call him one of our boys. :D

even Sam Ekwe fits the description, he's not a 7'0" guy but he's big. :D

what I like to happen, as a Filipino fan, if naturalizing a player is badly needed for the RP team, I would like to see a naturalized player who is Phillipine-based and who is loved by the Filipino people and someone who loves being Filipino. :)

Is Sam Ekwe a Filipino? or a foreigner who is just studying at San Beda College? sorry for my ignorance about RP College hoop for i am out of the country for quite some time now
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[saints13]

Is Sam Ekwe a Filipino? or a foreigner who is just studying at San Beda College? sorry for my ignorance about RP College hoop for i am out of the country for quite some time now

ah i see, you are not based here for quite some time.

this is all I know about Sam Ekwe. first of all, he's no bloodline or whatsoever of a Filipino, he's a Nigerian who happens to be in San Beda to study to become a priest someday. his sport is soccer, but maybe the Bedans (I don't know) was desperate to come back to the NCAA finals, that is why they educated this guy about basketball, luckily they won their NCAA finals and Sam Ekwe got a MVP/ROY award. he's not that polished when it comes to basketball skills, but he can rebound and is well-mannered as well as well-disciplined. he looks like the Qatari players, lol. btw, thanks to the Filipino missionary priest in Ekwe's place, who told him that "punta ka San Beda, maganda mag-aral dun", only to find out he'll be playing college ball.LOL

translation:
go to San Beda, it's a holy school with lot's of brats :D

[thugpinoy]

ah i see, you are not based here for quite some time.

this is all I know about Sam Ekwe. first of all, he's no bloodline or whatsoever of a Filipino, he's a Nigerian who happens to be in San Beda to study to become a priest someday. his sport is soccer, but maybe the Bedans (I don't know) was desperate to come back to the NCAA finals, that is why they educated this guy about basketball, luckily they won their NCAA finals and Sam Ekwe got a MVP/ROY award. he's not that polished when it comes to basketball skills, but he can rebound and is well-mannered as well as well-disciplined. he looks like the Qatari players, lol. btw, thanks to the Filipino missionary priest in Ekwe's place, who told him that "punta ka San Beda, maganda mag-aral dun", only to find out he'll be playing college ball.LOL

translation:
go to San Beda, it's a holy school with lot's of brats :D

Yeah! my High School Alma Mater.. Animo Beda still! :D
i know the Bedan community in supporting and encouraging an athlete or a normal student.
maybe they can naturalize this guy, anyway the Bedan community loves him as well as the whole NCAA followers, i guess.
RP NT should play in the SEA Games this year, dont under estimate our South East Asian brothers for we haven't proved anything this decade.
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[fhebzs_817]

this is just the start for RPNT..

let's just wait and see..

let's support them all the way..

[bolabasket]

What went wrong
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Wednesday, August 1, 2007

The country’s dream of playing basketball in the Olympics after an absence of over 30 years has turned into a nightmare. Beijing is now out of the question for the Philippine team, which failed to advance to the quarterfinals of the still ongoing FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima.

Only the Tokushima winner will join China, as host nation, in the 12-team Olympic basketball competition. The runner-up and third placer will be invited to participate in the pre-Olympic world qualifiers for three wildcard entries in July next year.

There are so many what-ifs to think about in analyzing what went wrong in the Philippines’ crusade.

What if Greek referee Nikolaos Zavlanos didn’t call that technical foul on the Philippines with 57 seconds left and Iran up by only a point?

What if the Philippines got lucky in the draw and went to Indonesia’s bracket with Qatar, Kazakhstan and India instead?

What if James Yap made it to the final 12?

What if the Philippines had more time to practice and not crammed because of the late lifting of the FIBA suspension?

What if Danny Seigle and Kerby Raymundo, nursing injuries, played 100 percent against Jordan?

What if the PBA used FIBA rules to familiarize the national cagers with the international game and break their habit of playing the NBA style of one-on-one?

What if the Philippines recruited a naturalized player like Jordan’s Rasheim Wright, Lebanon’s Joe Vogel and Japan’s J. R. Henderson?

If only the Philippines beat Iran, the team would now be playing in the quarterfinals and not battling for ninth place. The Iran heartbreaker destroyed the country’s Olympic dream, more than the loss to Jordan.

The team’s most glaring weakness was in offense as the Philippines shot a dismal .400 from the field in the first three games. Of the 16 teams in Tokushima, only Kuwait turned in a lower field goal percentage at .331. On the upside, the Philippines ranked second to top-notcher Chinese-Taipei in free throw marksmanship at .722.

It wasn’t that the Philippines had limited open looks or took poor shots. The players just couldn’t find the pulse to hit consistently, whether from up close or the perimeter. Who can forget those point-blank misses under the basket against Iran and the wide open shots that clanged from mid-range?

The players were too tense, too pressured to hit the shots they normally convert. They were burned out, victims of an exhausting conditioning program that was crammed to fit limited schedules. They never enjoyed themselves on the court – the tension was too unnerving.

When Jordan began knocking down threes in the third period, the defenders were often a step slow in challenging shots. Their legs were gone. They were dog-tired and lacked the energy to chase the outside shooters. Jordan opened the fourth period with an 8-0 blast that stretched a three-point lead to 11. The Philippines never came closer than seven and wound up losing by eight.

The reasons why the Philippines isn’t playing in the quarterfinals are:

Burnout. Coach Chot Reyes’ cagers couldn’t play with consistent high energy for three straight days. They were exhausted. The pressure was overwhelming and took away the fun in the game. It showed in the way the players bungled easy shots, couldn’t assert themselves defensively to force turnovers and allowed transition baskets. They rarely broke out for uncontested buckets.

Unfamiliarity. The players had difficulty adjusting to FIBA rules where a technical foul, for instance, has a penalty of two free throws and possession, a sense of urgency is dictated by 10-minute quarters and four team fouls mean penalty situation.

Absence. Because of a long layoff from FIBA competitions due to the country’s suspension, the PBA stars were shown little respect by league officials and referees. Zavlanos’ call in the Iran game is proof. The Philippines was disqualified from playing in the last Asian and Southeast Asian Games and the previous FIBA-Asia Championships. It was a rough re-initiation for the Philippines.

Mentality. Habits are hard to break and with their backs against the wall, the national cagers played instinctively, doing what they’re used to in the PBA. They resorted to going one-on-one, dribbling too much and playing to their individual talents instead of as a team.

Draw. Bracketed in the “Group of Death” was a killer blow because unlike the other teams that are used to the international game, the Philippines had little time to familiarize. It was a war for the Philippines from Day 1 and the attrition factor took a heavy toll on the squad.

With the Olympic dream extinguished, the Samahang Basketbol Ng Pilipinas must now do some serious soul-searching to determine what to do next in planning for future international competitions.

Is the Philippines’ love affair with basketball doomed to an unhappy ending like Romeo and Juliet?

[reamily]

Rp team will be back it is not the end guys asia world you will see
how good Pilipinas basketball is



PILIPINAS ASTIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[saints13]

What went wrong
SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson
Wednesday, August 1, 2007

The country’s dream of playing basketball in the Olympics after an absence of over 30 years has turned into a nightmare. Beijing is now out of the question for the Philippine team, which failed to advance to the quarterfinals of the still ongoing FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima.

Only the Tokushima winner will join China, as host nation, in the 12-team Olympic basketball competition. The runner-up and third placer will be invited to participate in the pre-Olympic world qualifiers for three wildcard entries in July next year.

There are so many what-ifs to think about in analyzing what went wrong in the Philippines’ crusade.

What if Greek referee Nikolaos Zavlanos didn’t call that technical foul on the Philippines with 57 seconds left and Iran up by only a point?

What if the Philippines got lucky in the draw and went to Indonesia’s bracket with Qatar, Kazakhstan and India instead?

What if James Yap made it to the final 12?

What if the Philippines had more time to practice and not crammed because of the late lifting of the FIBA suspension?

What if Danny Seigle and Kerby Raymundo, nursing injuries, played 100 percent against Jordan?

What if the PBA used FIBA rules to familiarize the national cagers with the international game and break their habit of playing the NBA style of one-on-one?

What if the Philippines recruited a naturalized player like Jordan’s Rasheim Wright, Lebanon’s Joe Vogel and Japan’s J. R. Henderson?

If only the Philippines beat Iran, the team would now be playing in the quarterfinals and not battling for ninth place. The Iran heartbreaker destroyed the country’s Olympic dream, more than the loss to Jordan.

The team’s most glaring weakness was in offense as the Philippines shot a dismal .400 from the field in the first three games. Of the 16 teams in Tokushima, only Kuwait turned in a lower field goal percentage at .331. On the upside, the Philippines ranked second to top-notcher Chinese-Taipei in free throw marksmanship at .722.

It wasn’t that the Philippines had limited open looks or took poor shots. The players just couldn’t find the pulse to hit consistently, whether from up close or the perimeter. Who can forget those point-blank misses under the basket against Iran and the wide open shots that clanged from mid-range?

The players were too tense, too pressured to hit the shots they normally convert. They were burned out, victims of an exhausting conditioning program that was crammed to fit limited schedules. They never enjoyed themselves on the court – the tension was too unnerving.

When Jordan began knocking down threes in the third period, the defenders were often a step slow in challenging shots. Their legs were gone. They were dog-tired and lacked the energy to chase the outside shooters. Jordan opened the fourth period with an 8-0 blast that stretched a three-point lead to 11. The Philippines never came closer than seven and wound up losing by eight.

The reasons why the Philippines isn’t playing in the quarterfinals are:

Burnout. Coach Chot Reyes’ cagers couldn’t play with consistent high energy for three straight days. They were exhausted. The pressure was overwhelming and took away the fun in the game. It showed in the way the players bungled easy shots, couldn’t assert themselves defensively to force turnovers and allowed transition baskets. They rarely broke out for uncontested buckets.

Unfamiliarity. The players had difficulty adjusting to FIBA rules where a technical foul, for instance, has a penalty of two free throws and possession, a sense of urgency is dictated by 10-minute quarters and four team fouls mean penalty situation.

Absence. Because of a long layoff from FIBA competitions due to the country’s suspension, the PBA stars were shown little respect by league officials and referees. Zavlanos’ call in the Iran game is proof. The Philippines was disqualified from playing in the last Asian and Southeast Asian Games and the previous FIBA-Asia Championships. It was a rough re-initiation for the Philippines.

Mentality. Habits are hard to break and with their backs against the wall, the national cagers played instinctively, doing what they’re used to in the PBA. They resorted to going one-on-one, dribbling too much and playing to their individual talents instead of as a team.

Draw. Bracketed in the “Group of Death” was a killer blow because unlike the other teams that are used to the international game, the Philippines had little time to familiarize. It was a war for the Philippines from Day 1 and the attrition factor took a heavy toll on the squad.

With the Olympic dream extinguished, the Samahang Basketbol Ng Pilipinas must now do some serious soul-searching to determine what to do next in planning for future international competitions.

Is the Philippines’ love affair with basketball doomed to an unhappy ending like Romeo and Juliet?

I HATE THIS ARTICLE.. I HATE WHAT IFS..yes, Quinito Henson loves to analyze things, but this is a no need to analyze situation..we'll just have to accept the fact that the breaks wasn't on us. those What If's are not healthy to think of, and analyzing it too much will not reverse the results of the game. Talo na e, hihimay himayin pa, ano to pre-game analysis?

translation:
those what ifs analysis makes me sick..its useless. I know that the RP NT coaches and its consultants knows better than the columnists.

[javasandreen]

It's just the beginning and I know they can do better next time. They just have to adapt to FIBA's rules for familiarity.

[snipes12]

"basketball is not for the filipinos .." --- the big difference

[rhk111]

I HATE THIS ARTICLE.. I HATE WHAT IFS..yes, Quinito Henson loves to analyze things, but this is a no need to analyze situation..we'll just have to accept the fact that the breaks wasn't on us. those What If's are not healthy to think of, and analyzing it too much will not reverse the results of the game. Talo na e, hihimay himayin pa, ano to pre-game analysis?

translation:
those what ifs analysis makes me sick..its useless. I know that the RP NT coaches and its consultants knows better than the columnists.

Quinito is full of bullshi_, I very little respect for him. It's always the "fixable" errors w/ him.

'Disisyete taon ng di maka abante ang pros natin sa Asia, "fixable" errors pa rin'

(Shakes head)

[saints13]

"basketball is not for the filipinos .." --- the big difference

the big difference aint Filipino no more...he's an Australian citizen already..LOL

you are bitter with the RP NT right? :)

[DiegoClang]

back to topic:
for us to regain our supremacy in Asia, we must also overhaul our coaching system. We must admit that coaching international style of basketball is also one of our weaknessess. What good are the new young talents if they will not be exposed to international style of coaching. We should have a coaches' summit to address this. We always concentrate on the player side of things. We must remember, talents will always be easy to find. Why not hire, say Serbian coaches, to conduct clinics for our local coaches...from small basketeer to pro level (granting pba changes to fiba rules). In this way, our youngsters will be taught at a young age how to play international brand...remember, habits are hard to break. So by the time these youngsters are sent to international tournaments (u-15,17,19), they'd know what to expect...then just build up from there, when they reach college or the pros, they'd be used to it.

[snipes12]

the big difference aint Filipino no more...he's an Australian citizen already..LOL

you are bitter with the RP NT right? :)

nah not really , i just hate the 5'11 bald guard u know (buwaya).. and the another 5'11 alien headed "i all know is to attempt 3's" game guy and why they choose him over yap , so many bad decisions . i like the rest of the team i just cant stand why they letting them play all the minutes and he keep on missing and missing on his shots, i like the team because its very entertaining for them to watch.. and that's it .. i still like the team pero medyo nagadvance na kasi ung ibang bansa kaia naiwan taio .. habol na lang sa susunod

[thugpinoy]

nah not really , i just hate the 5'11 bald guard u know (buwaya).. and the another 5'11 alien headed "i all know is to attempt 3's" game guy and why they choose him over yap , so many bad decisions . i like the rest of the team i just cant stand why they letting them play all the minutes and he keep on missing and missing on his shots, i like the team because its very entertaining for them to watch.. and that's it .. i still like the team pero medyo nagadvance na kasi ung ibang bansa kaia naiwan taio .. habol na lang sa susunod

Why hate Renren Ritualo? he haven't played long minutes during that decisive game. thats his role in the team, to shoot 3's.
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[Mk3]

"basketball is not for the filipinos .." --- the big difference
That's just the title of the article (found at http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/aug/16/yehey/top_stories/20060816top8.html)

He didn't say that, but this:

“Basketball [in the Philippines] has top priority over the other sports, but this is wrong because there are other sports disciplines Filipino athletes can excel in,” Loyzaga once told a local sports columnist several years ago.

It's true we should also give attention to other sports, but he didn't say we should stop supporting basketball. :D

For the RP NT, the SBP should continue the program they started. They're on the right track.

[crouchingtiger]

Soccer of instance is one. You dont have to be tall with soccer, but quickness and agility are essential.

[eitra]

Soccer of instance is one. You dont have to be tall with soccer, but quickness and agility are essential.
Even soccer u should be tall and big im a ex national player of Philippine team of early 90sJ..I play as a defender stands about 5'7'' we played arab,korean, not even thailand there tall and skillfull ...Thers no way we can beat our asian countries like KOREA they have a forward stand 6 foot 3 and so im 5' 7'' i put all my energy to stop him his strong...When I was in phillippines I played in PHILIPPINE AIR FORCE,SAN MIGUEL college years PATS school of aeronautic.. Just support our basketball even we win or lose Evry FILIPINO loves Basketball soccer is just a consolation...

[sickcurtain_16]

^^Maybe we can talk about that if ever there's a forum named "intersoccer" or "interfoot":D .

But for now, what's next for RP is that, the SBP and PBA should go on with their program, discovering new talents and continuously expose our players to int'l games.

And for us fans, tuloy tuloy lang! Let's continue with our support to the team!

[jazperson]

So back to the topic, any other international tournament English please Team Pilipinas English please? Like for example Jones Cup English please and Stankovic Cup which English please?

[saints13]

off-topic

speaking of soccer..

If given a chance, I would love to see a strong RP NT in soccer..I'm a World Cup fan and I also would like to see a RP Team there. btw, soccer is also doing some medium-term developments, they are also looking for half-breds to play in our NT, as a matter of fact, we've got the Younghusband brothers from UK, ex-teammates of soccer star David Beckham in Chelsea. A kid playing soccer in playstation wrote to th sports officials in our country to get this guys who have Filipino lineage, since their profile in the computer game showed that they are half-Filipino. :D

both are 19 and 20 yrs. old respectively, and they are being handled by a modelling agency here in the Philippines that also handles other athlete models like Matteo Gudicelli, that's why they are being packaged as the Beckham's of Philippine Football. (they really have to get into modelling,its the best our country can offer since Football is not big in the country. so the bucks will come from modelling good looks and not from football as far as playing for the RP Football team is concerned)

mhkvq5Z3OjU
James Younghusband at Sports TV

fYW-yd_53oM
James Younghusband at Breakfast

LNELM2cJLf0
Younghusband bros at Wazzup Wazzup

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Phil Younghusband Meets Rhian Ramos at Showbiz Central

sorry guys, cant help but share these infos...we really have to be concerned with other exciting sports too...and not all basketball :) spread the heartbreaks dude..hehe..soccer is not that popular, so when RP loose every game, nobody bothered compared to basketball where everybody experiences cardiac arrest :D

[b3lowzro]

hey guys lets get back to the topic :D


anyway i believe that the RP has made drastic improvements, yes we lost but the rankings of the RP has risen from the last time we participated (15th) to 9th or 10th this season.
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Mercedes-Benz Atego History (http://www.mercedes-wiki.com/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Atego)

[donmar]

off-topic

speaking of soccer..

If given a chance, I would love to see a strong RP NT in soccer..I'm a World Cup fan and I also would like to see a RP Team there. btw, soccer is also doing some medium-term developments, they are also looking for half-breds to play in our NT, as a matter of fact, we've got the Younghusband brothers from UK, ex-teammates of soccer star David Beckham in Chelsea. A kid playing soccer in playstation wrote to th sports officials in our country to get this guys who have Filipino lineage, since their profile in the computer game showed that they are half-Filipino. :D

both are 19 and 20 yrs. old respectively, and they are being handled by a modelling agency here in the Philippines that also handles other athlete models like Matteo Gudicelli, that's why they are being packaged as the Beckham's of Philippine Football. (they really have to get into modelling,its the best our country can offer since Football is not big in the country. so the bucks will come from modelling good looks and not from football as far as playing for the RP Football team is concerned)

mhkvq5Z3OjU
James Younghusband at Sports TV

fYW-yd_53oM
James Younghusband at Breakfast

LNELM2cJLf0
Younghusband bros at Wazzup Wazzup

d7PBwxS9F_Y
Phil Younghusband Meets Rhian Ramos at Showbiz Central

sorry guys, cant help but share these infos...we really have to be concerned with other exciting sports too...and not all basketball :) spread the heartbreaks dude..hehe..soccer is not that popular, so when RP loose every game, nobody bothered compared to basketball where everybody experiences cardiac arrest :D

I'm a soccer fan as well... by the way, David Beckham never plays for Chelsea in his career.. he played for Manchester United from 1992 to 2003 and then moved to Real Madrid (2003-2007).. and recently transfered to the Los Angeles Galaxy in the United States

[Project888]

luuv soccer, hoping i'll be like a jimmy alapag of soccer!

[Fil-Aus Boy]

the big difference aint Filipino no more...he's an Australian citizen already..LOL

you are bitter with the RP NT right? :)

Carlos "caloy" Loyzaga is indeed an Australian citizen... He's out of touch with the filo community as well... He works as a Security Officer down in Melbourne but he's retired now I think...

off topic: Just found out joyce jimenez studied in UTS apparently, dang I missed that one, she's hot... I believe she's back there in manila...

[saints13]

Carlos "caloy" Loyzaga is indeed an Australian citizen... He's out of touch with the filo community as well... He works as a Security Officer down in Melbourne but he's retired now I think...

off topic: Just found out joyce jimenez studied in UTS apparently, dang I missed that one, she's hot... I believe she's back there in manila...

off-topic:
http://www.fhm.com.ph/images/fhm-babes/joyce_jimenez/0707/joyceJ_0707_01.jpg

FHM Philippines interview link
http://www.fhm.com.ph/fhm-babes/cover-babe/?id=758

[sergio23]

Next RP National Team!!!Be part of something BIG!!!!
Center:Jericho De Guzman 6'11
Center:Gian Chiu 6'10
P.Forward:Japeth Aguilar 6'9
P:Forward:Kerby Raymundo 6'7
P.Forward:Junmar Fajardo 6'9
S.Forward:Kelly Williams 6'6
S.Forward:Jay Washington 6'7
S.Forward:Nino Canaleta 6'6
S.Guard:Arwind Santos 6'5
S.Guard:Gabe Norwood 6'6
P.Guard:Jimmy Alapag 5'8
P.Guard:Jason Castro 5'11
Reserba:Centers:Greg Slaughter 6'11
Samigue Eman 6'10
Forwards:Joe Devance 6'8
Danny Siegle 6'6
Guards:Mac2x Cardona 6'1
Mike Cortez 6'0

[jazperson]

I really don't know, but I don't think Japeth can come to practices, training etc. He's determined to be in the US for growth in basketball, even taking the chance for getting to NBA. We just can't have a player show in the game itself, he needs to drop the US thing if he will join the RP NT.

[saints13]

I really don't know, but I don't think Japeth can come to practices, training etc. He's determined to be in the US for growth in basketball, even taking the chance for getting to NBA. We just can't have a player show in the game itself, he needs to drop the US thing if he will join the RP NT.

he can join the RP basketball team, depending on what games will he join. there's an off-season in the US that allows this NCAA players to participate in international competitions. so that will not be a problem, if scheduling is concerned. :) its up to Japeth Aguilar if he wants to play or not.

[pepiyows]

Soccer of instance is one. You dont have to be tall with soccer, but quickness and agility are essential.

*IMHO*

speaking of soccer...

have you followed the afc asian cup 2007? where did the best of SE Asia went? only VIETNAM gone pass the elims and was stopped in the QF. our neighbors (e.g. THAILAND, INDONESIA) have heavily invested and are miles ahead in that sport... look at where they stand in ASIA?

the problem with other sports which MAY NOT require HEIGHT, they are not for the masses (e.g. soccer, tennis, golf, etc.).

have you seen courts for these sports in your neighborhood? you can barely count them by your fingers! while almost every BARANGAY has their own basketball court, consider driving around and you will see a bastketball court in almost every street...

with basketball, we can be easily considered as one of the power houses in ASIA. with some more preparation and slight stroke of lady luck - we can be ASIAN champions once more!!!

%^)

P.S. i'm not implying to IGNORE other sports, if we excel on them then WELL and GOOD! but a little more PATIENCE with our basketball program... man, i wonder where it will lead us!!!

[crouchingtiger]

*IMHO*

speaking of soccer...

have you followed the afc asian cup 2007? where did the best of SE Asia went? only VIETNAM gone pass the elims and was stopped in the QF. our neighbors (e.g. THAILAND, INDONESIA) have heavily invested and are miles ahead in that sport... look at where they stand in ASIA?

the problem with other sports which MAY NOT require HEIGHT, they are not for the masses (e.g. soccer, tennis, golf, etc.).

have you seen courts for these sports in your neighborhood? you can barely count them by your fingers! while almost every BARANGAY has their own basketball court, consider driving around and you will see a bastketball court in almost every street...

with basketball, we can be easily considered as one of the power houses in ASIA. with some more preparation and slight stroke of lady luck - we can be ASIAN champions once more!!!

%^)

P.S. i'm not implying to IGNORE other sports, if we excel on them then WELL and GOOD! but a little more PATIENCE with our basketball program... man, i wonder where it will lead us!!!
Well, I lived in Brazil, Sao Paulo for 3 years, I see kids playing soccer in the dirty street, they place any two things (shoes, stool , coca cola bottles etc) about 4 feet apart as the goal and then.....kicks off, game time! Pretty much like what I see in Manila where people just improvise a ring and start to play 3 vs 3 streetball.
Rp BB has been around for >50 years, it started about the times of american colonization, since then this sports got rooted deeply in this country.
I believe it is just a matter of promotion and persistence, with these, any sports will excel. Personally, I think soccer is a better fit for filipinos than BB. The taller Soccer player, is about 6'5'' to 6'7'' ( goalie), an average height of any given euro team is roughly 6'2''-6'4''. This is the height that Phil is capable of coming up with.

[thugpinoy]

Well, I lived in Brazil, Sao Paulo for 3 years, I see kids playing soccer in the dirty street, they place any two things (shoes, stool , coca cola bottles etc) about 4 feet apart as the goal and then.....kicks off, game time! Pretty much like what I see in Manila where people just improvise a ring and start to play 3 vs 3 streetball.
Rp BB has been around for >50 years, it started about the times of american colonization, since then this sports got rooted deeply in this country.
I believe it is just a matter of promotion and persistence, with these, any sports will excel. Personally, I think soccer is a better fit for filipinos than BB. The taller Soccer player, is about 6'5'' to 6'7'' ( goalie), an average height of any given euro team is roughly 6'2''-6'4''. This is the height that Phil is capable of coming up with.

Well same here in UAE, you'll see kids playing around the streets, with their yaya's as their audience. They love Football here, in fact, during last year's World Cup, you will see a television outside in every cafeteria's and every corner of the street, watching the game, eventhough UAE is not participating.
For us, the problem is the pinoys are very rough audience, they find Football as boring with no action at all. very seldom to score, unlike in Basketball where there is a lot of action and thriller.

[protossdomain]

Well, I lived in Brazil, Sao Paulo for 3 years, I see kids playing soccer in the dirty street, they place any two things (shoes, stool , coca cola bottles etc) about 4 feet apart as the goal and then.....kicks off, game time! Pretty much like what I see in Manila where people just improvise a ring and start to play 3 vs 3 streetball.
Rp BB has been around for >50 years, it started about the times of american colonization, since then this sports got rooted deeply in this country.
I believe it is just a matter of promotion and persistence, with these, any sports will excel. Personally, I think soccer is a better fit for filipinos than BB. The taller Soccer player, is about 6'5'' to 6'7'' ( goalie), an average height of any given euro team is roughly 6'2''-6'4''. This is the height that Phil is capable of coming up with.

Hey crouchy what's up? Enough of that height thing now. It's perfectly understood and we can only do so much about that but Filipinos will still live and breathe basketball.

Anyway, do you still go to the "Lebron23" forum? >_<

[Project888]

you gotta watch this! only 9 yrs. old! DAMN i hope we have pinoy kids like this!!! (don't know how to post youtube videos here, hehehe... sorry!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw

[b3lowzro]

you gotta watch this! only 9 yrs. old! DAMN i hope we have pinoy kids like this!!! (don't know how to post youtube videos here, hehehe... sorry!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw

we have kids like those but sadly the neglect of our government to support the PFF drives them to play basketball 'cause all the moolah is there in the PH

[saints13]

here guys, I've reposted the vid.. :)

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something's gotta give for soccer to flourish..
a big achievement will lure RP fans to other sports.. :)

[pepiyows]

Well same here in UAE, you'll see kids playing around the streets, with their yaya's as their audience. They love Football here, in fact, during last year's World Cup, you will see a television outside in every cafeteria's and every corner of the street, watching the game, eventhough UAE is not participating.
For us, the problem is the pinoys are very rough audience, they find Football as boring with no action at all. very seldom to score, unlike in Basketball where there is a lot of action and thriller.

in the PHI, sports other than BASKETBALL lack promotion.

in the minds of the big time endorsers , "why make a long-term investment in other sports when BB is there ready to make profit on?"

anyways, as one of our forumers wrote, BB is in the hearts of the FILIPINOS *period*

i played here in the desert with / against IMPORT-LIKE locals. an egyptian teammate who stands at least 6'5" asked me, "instead of leaning forward, why do you lean backwards when taking your shots?". i replied, "to avoid getting blocked!". and he said, "you Filipinos simply love basketball..." *haha*

he's absolutely RIGHT (even though it seems very clear that basketball don't like me *duh*)

so... kudos to our RP BB NT!!!

%^)

so close.. so close and yet so faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr!!! :)

[pinoyballer]

Looks like Philippine basketball authorities are waking up to reality.

Peping bats for Euro-style basketball
By Abac Cordero
Wednesday, August 8, 2007

The men behind the RP basketball team should start considering Europe as the team’s training ground as it continues its bid to recover lost ground in the international arena.

The suggestion came from no less than Philippine Olympic Committee president Jose “Peping” Cojuangco after the country failed to advance to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

“Maybe they should start playing more in Europe rather than in America,” said Cojuangco, explaining that the Filipinos can probably learn more from the European brand of play.

In recent international competitions, like the Jones Cup in Taipei, and the FIBA Asia Championships in Japan, the RP dribblers showed their penchant for one-on-one plays.

“And we all know that even the United States made up of NBA players lose in the international tournaments because of their failure to adapt to the international style,” said Cojuangco.

Playing more in Europe, Cojuangco said, will make the Filipinos more at home with the international style, which revolves around an excellent ball movement and teamwork.

Cojuangco said the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas headed by businessman Manny Pangilinan can also consider inviting European teams to the country.

Tony Chua, the incoming chairman of the Philippine Basketball Association, is on the same page with the POC president regarding the European factor.

Two weeks ago, Chua, team manager of Red Bull, said one of his immediate plans as chairman is to encourage all the 10 teams to tap European imports.

Chua said while the Filipinos can learn more from the Europeans, the teams can probably cut down on the expenses, and the high salaries of American imports.

[hari ng basketball]

Well, I lived in Brazil, Sao Paulo for 3 years, I see kids playing soccer in the dirty street, they place any two things (shoes, stool , coca cola bottles etc) about 4 feet apart as the goal and then.....kicks off, game time! Pretty much like what I see in Manila where people just improvise a ring and start to play 3 vs 3 streetball.
Rp BB has been around for >50 years, it started about the times of american colonization, since then this sports got rooted deeply in this country.
I believe it is just a matter of promotion and persistence, with these, any sports will excel. Personally, I think soccer is a better fit for filipinos than BB. The taller Soccer player, is about 6'5'' to 6'7'' ( goalie), an average height of any given euro team is roughly 6'2''-6'4''. This is the height that Phil is capable of coming up with.

I respect your comment bro but basketball is our life here, it always a part of our history. I know our height will not be same with other country but playing basketball is our way to show our history and culture, were small but we will always fight and show our hearts over tall and powerful country,thats basketball for us. We love it so much here. peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joel23]

Soccer of instance is one. You dont have to be tall with soccer, but quickness and agility are essential.

Oh!!! All sport athlete are advantage in taller height... The Filipino local soccer player are smaller... The smaller guy is veryhard to ball-head against the taller guy. In Volleyball also the taller can easy to spike. Also in Tennis, taller can easy to smash the ball. Hurdles also. The taller sport athlete can easy to do against smaller athlete.

[ctongco]

Looks like Philippine basketball authorities are waking up to reality.

Peping bats for Euro-style basketball
By Abac Cordero
Wednesday, August 8, 2007

The men behind the RP basketball team should start considering Europe as the team’s training ground as it continues its bid to recover lost ground in the international arena.

The suggestion came from no less than Philippine Olympic Committee president Jose “Peping” Cojuangco after the country failed to advance to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

“Maybe they should start playing more in Europe rather than in America,” said Cojuangco, explaining that the Filipinos can probably learn more from the European brand of play.

In recent international competitions, like the Jones Cup in Taipei, and the FIBA Asia Championships in Japan, the RP dribblers showed their penchant for one-on-one plays.

“And we all know that even the United States made up of NBA players lose in the international tournaments because of their failure to adapt to the international style,” said Cojuangco.

Playing more in Europe, Cojuangco said, will make the Filipinos more at home with the international style, which revolves around an excellent ball movement and teamwork.

Cojuangco said the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas headed by businessman Manny Pangilinan can also consider inviting European teams to the country.

Tony Chua, the incoming chairman of the Philippine Basketball Association, is on the same page with the POC president regarding the European factor.

Two weeks ago, Chua, team manager of Red Bull, said one of his immediate plans as chairman is to encourage all the 10 teams to tap European imports.

Chua said while the Filipinos can learn more from the Europeans, the teams can probably cut down on the expenses, and the high salaries of American imports.


This will be a good move for Philippine Basketball.

[Onizuka01]

Well, I lived in Brazil, Sao Paulo for 3 years, I see kids playing soccer in the dirty street, they place any two things (shoes, stool , coca cola bottles etc) about 4 feet apart as the goal and then.....kicks off, game time! Pretty much like what I see in Manila where people just improvise a ring and start to play 3 vs 3 streetball.
Rp BB has been around for >50 years, it started about the times of american colonization, since then this sports got rooted deeply in this country.
I believe it is just a matter of promotion and persistence, with these, any sports will excel. Personally, I think soccer is a better fit for filipinos than BB. The taller Soccer player, is about 6'5'' to 6'7'' ( goalie), an average height of any given euro team is roughly 6'2''-6'4''. This is the height that Phil is capable of coming up with.



In Other SEA Nations (Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand.. etc.) soccer is mostly popular and like a national sport for them but they couldn't even win bigs in the World Cup Arena.. They have been training for so many years now but still couldn't make it... That is what we see from them. It would barely take us 30 to 40 years to get at that level in the World Cup.. 12 years ago Philippine Soccer Officials were saying "Our soccer program is behind for 20 years against the World Cup leaders" ... I Remember that was 12 years ago, wherein I used to play that game. What is it now? Were still even at par or a par behind against our BROTHERS in the SOUTH EAST...

Unlike basketball wherein Filipino really love the sport though we also love other sports.. For us we could excel in basketball in ASIAN region but in soccer I doubt it, another 20 to 30 years "MAYBE". Same as it was 12 years ago.

[reamily]

Sali na lang tayo in the Stankovic cup maybe next year the tournament for asian countries i think qatar is the last champion of this tournament because china is not joining this tournament

[JET007]

Well same here in UAE, you'll see kids playing around the streets, with their yaya's as their audience. They love Football here, in fact, during last year's World Cup, you will see a television outside in every cafeteria's and every corner of the street, watching the game, eventhough UAE is not participating.
For us, the problem is the pinoys are very rough audience, they find Football as boring with no action at all. very seldom to score, unlike in Basketball where there is a lot of action and thriller.
In RP...its basketball were crazy about!!:D

[thugpinoy]

Sali na lang tayo in the Stankovic cup maybe next year the tournament for asian countries i think qatar is the last champion of this tournament because china is not joining this tournament


I think its ongoing.. Angola beats China.. just check the other threads in China forum.

[reamily]

I think its ongoing.. Angola beats China.. just check the other threads in China forum.
Hindi po iyon Un sa mga asian countries may sarili silang version

trans: Asia has own sub stankovic tournament remember the pccr team in stankovic 2004

[pinoyballer]

The future of RP basketball
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco
Saturday, August 11, 2007

(Excerpts)

Now that the BAP-SBP has laid down its network and appointed regional training directors, there will be a pipeline for both grassroots development and the formation of an elite team (or two or three) for international competition. What remains to be done is the drafting of a gentleman’s agreement among all the leagues in Metro Manila and the rest of the country not to recruit the members of the national team for a certain prescribed period (perhaps a four-year Olympic cycle), and the provision of a competitive compensation plan for the players involved. In the long run, this will be of greater benefit to the national team and the PBA. A cursory review of the roster of the NCC squad which was the core of the national team back in the early to mid-1980’s shows that, percentage-wise, they continue to make a mighty contribution to the development of the sport as coaches or team managers.

Also, the BAP-SBP has gotten buy-in from all the major amateur basketball leagues like the PBL, NBC and MVBA, in the organization of a major regional basketball tournament, the Pilipinas Cup. Four venues will be hosting games simultaneously: Baguio, Antipolo, Cebu and Cagayan de Oro. The two-week tournament will be a showcase of talent from all over the country per region, regardless of league affiliation. The basketball NSA is currently seeking a television partner with nationwide muscle to provide adequate exposure for this maiden project.

The BAP-SBP is also putting together a US NCAA-style tournament, ranking the top 32 collegiate teams against each other, and playing 1 versus 32, 2 versus 31, and so on. You lose, you’re out. Win or go home. That would be a very exciting format which has never been done on that scale.

Aside from the activities of the BAP-SBP, the national women’s team recently received a quiet boost with the news that Fil-foreigners from the US and Canada are ready and willing to play for the flag and country. The first would be 27-year old Vicki Brick, a 5’8” point guard who was a high school All-American recruited by the University of Maryland Terrapins. Brick averaged 3.1 steals and 4.3 assists per game on her first year in the WNCAA, the second- and third-highest totals for a rookie in US history. She also played in Australia, and is raring to come over and play. Aside from Brick, there are at least six other players of Filipino descent planning to plane in, including a pair of twins averaging a combined 31 points per game in Illinois.

Privately, another school-based group is putting up a league for non-varsity grade school and high school players, to reinforce the development of the sport. Although details are still confidential, the group will launch its first tournament within the year, with a surprising list of prominent schools in its fold.

Beyond that, television networks are also planning made-for-TV basketball events, to shore up local programming and fill in valuable airtime. There is a growing competition even on cable television, for basketball content. One international cable channel is even planning a promotional basketball event in the Philippines to re-launch one of its basketball anime programs.

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The way the SBP is handling the SEA Games men's and women's teams hearkens back to the old ways: cramming and no planning. They're just now trying to put together both teams, when the tournament is a few months away?

[rycorpz]

Hindi po iyon Un sa mga asian countries may sarili silang version

trans: Asia has own sub stankovic tournament remember the pccr team in stankovic 2004
sa jones cup nangyari yun dude

trans: that pccr team participated in jones cup headed by Graham Lim

[SkyWalker]

The future of RP basketball
THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco
Saturday, August 11, 2007

(Excerpts)

Now that the BAP-SBP has laid down its network and appointed regional training directors, there will be a pipeline for both grassroots development and the formation of an elite team (or two or three) for international competition. What remains to be done is the drafting of a gentleman’s agreement among all the leagues in Metro Manila and the rest of the country not to recruit the members of the national team for a certain prescribed period (perhaps a four-year Olympic cycle), and the provision of a competitive compensation plan for the players involved. In the long run, this will be of greater benefit to the national team and the PBA. A cursory review of the roster of the NCC squad which was the core of the national team back in the early to mid-1980’s shows that, percentage-wise, they continue to make a mighty contribution to the development of the sport as coaches or team managers.

Also, the BAP-SBP has gotten buy-in from all the major amateur basketball leagues like the PBL, NBC and MVBA, in the organization of a major regional basketball tournament, the Pilipinas Cup. Four venues will be hosting games simultaneously: Baguio, Antipolo, Cebu and Cagayan de Oro. The two-week tournament will be a showcase of talent from all over the country per region, regardless of league affiliation. The basketball NSA is currently seeking a television partner with nationwide muscle to provide adequate exposure for this maiden project.

The BAP-SBP is also putting together a US NCAA-style tournament, ranking the top 32 collegiate teams against each other, and playing 1 versus 32, 2 versus 31, and so on. You lose, you’re out. Win or go home. That would be a very exciting format which has never been done on that scale.

Aside from the activities of the BAP-SBP, the national women’s team recently received a quiet boost with the news that Fil-foreigners from the US and Canada are ready and willing to play for the flag and country. The first would be 27-year old Vicki Brick, a 5’8” point guard who was a high school All-American recruited by the University of Maryland Terrapins. Brick averaged 3.1 steals and 4.3 assists per game on her first year in the WNCAA, the second- and third-highest totals for a rookie in US history. She also played in Australia, and is raring to come over and play. Aside from Brick, there are at least six other players of Filipino descent planning to plane in, including a pair of twins averaging a combined 31 points per game in Illinois.

Privately, another school-based group is putting up a league for non-varsity grade school and high school players, to reinforce the development of the sport. Although details are still confidential, the group will launch its first tournament within the year, with a surprising list of prominent schools in its fold.

Beyond that, television networks are also planning made-for-TV basketball events, to shore up local programming and fill in valuable airtime. There is a growing competition even on cable television, for basketball content. One international cable channel is even planning a promotional basketball event in the Philippines to re-launch one of its basketball anime programs.

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The way the SBP is handling the SEA Games men's and women's teams hearkens back to the old ways: cramming and no planning. They're just now trying to put together both teams, when the tournament is a few months away?


Man, SBP was established just 5 months ago, so we should really expect a lot of cramming in terms of forming the team. And hey team Pilipinas was formed also, 5 months ago. I think, what SBP is doing right now is just putting temporary patches on holes, as it really want to focus on its long-term plans. SEAG, though is not as competitive as the FIBA Asia, still deserves the much needed support, as we all know, we're coming back from a 2 year ordeal, so expect all of our basketball leaders to to take back that lost GOLD medal in SEAG. I'm happy with how Pato Gregorio is handling the SBP-BAP right now. He's really aggressive, and a real pinoy basketball lover, and i think, thats the real trait of a basketball leader.he's really focusing more on the medium to long-term basketball program of the country. It'll be the first time in the 21st century philippine basketball that we'll have a full-basketball program, that includes youth and women. I hope, that even though mr. Eala got ousted from the PBA, still supports our team. He's expertise and inclination with the sport is incomparable. i love the tandem of EALA and GREGORIO, those two guys and the incoming PBA commissioner deserve the much needed support.

[rycorpz]

Man, SBP was established just 5 months ago, so we should really expect a lot of cramming in terms of forming the team. And hey team Pilipinas was formed also, 5 months ago. I think, what SBP is doing right now is just putting temporary patches on holes, as it really want to focus on its long-term plans. SEAG, though is not as competitive as the FIBA Asia, still deserves the much needed support, as we all know, we're coming back from a 2 year ordeal, so expect all of our basketball leaders to to take back that lost GOLD medal in SEAG. I'm happy with how Pato Gregorio is handling the SBP-BAP right now. He's really aggressive, and a real pinoy basketball lover, and i think, thats the real trait of a basketball leader.he's really focusing more on the medium to long-term basketball program of the country. It'll be the first time in the 21st century philippine basketball that we'll have a full-basketball program, that includes youth and women. I hope, that even though mr. Eala got ousted from the PBA, still supports our team. He's expertise and inclination with the sport is incomparable. i love the tandem of EALA and GREGORIO, those two guys and the incoming PBA commissioner deserve the much needed support.
atleast SBP is competent look what they have done in just a few months unlike Graham Lim's BAP (puro siopao ang score, at laglag or luglug sa pancitan ang kalalabasan ng national team kuno).

Trans: BAP had done nothing right in Philippine Basketball

[pinoyballer]

SBP goes all-out in cage programs
Daily Tribune 08/15/2007

Name the price.

With these words coming from no less than Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) president Manny Pangilinan, the Philippines is embarking on a long-term program aimed at boosting the country’s chances in the international arena following San Miguel-Team Pilipinas’ heartbreaking exit in Tokushima, Japan recently.

And a new, more long-term program is currently being set up by the SBP, wth Pangilinan calling it a “national mission.”

According to BAP-SBP executive director Patrick Gregorio, the country is forming an under-18 team that will at least form the core for the Nationals’ bids for international tournaments from next year on to the 2012 London Olympics.

“With coach Franz Pumaren leading the way, we are currently in the process of identifying the junior players who will form our national pool,” Gregorio yesterday said.

“In short, tuhog na ng at least ilan sa mga players na ito ang mga tournaments starting with next year’s Fiba-Asia Under-18 Men’s Championship,” he added.

Gregorio also bared he has been given the go-signal by Pangilinan to bid for said Asian junior tournament as well as the 2009 qualifier for the World Championship in Turkey the following year.

“Fiba-Asia has given me a verbal advisory to be among the first to bid for next year’s juniors. But it is in the 2009 Worlds qualifier we’re really after,” Gregorio said.

“I’ve learned kasi na unlike in the Olympics, where only two slots are given Asia, three Asian slots are up for grabs in the Worlds. In other words, mas malaki ang chances nating mag-qualify doon.”

The entire program is in line with Pangilinan’s directive following a disappointing finish by San Miguel-Pilipinas in the recent Fiba-Asia tilt in Tokushima, Japan. After being bracketed in what RP coach Chot Reyes said as the “Group of Death,” the Nationals wound up ninth.

That put an end to the country’s quest for an Olympic return next year in Beijing. The Filipinos last took part in Olympic basketball in 1972.

To avoid a repeat of such a catastrophe, Pangilinan ordered Gregorio to bid for the 2009 qualifier, “no matter what the cost.”

“It is time to start from scratch and make new plans,” said Pangilinan during last Sunday’s PBA Press Corps Awards Night where he was the guest of honor and keynote speaker.

Pangilinan’s vision, which includes the 2011 Fiba-Asia Championship, the regional qualifier for the London Olympics the following year, is all geared to the London Olympics and he added the BAP-SBP and the entire country should act as one for these missions because of the Filipinos’ inherent passion for basketball.

“Basketball seems Quixotic, a fool’s dream, even a nightmare,” he noted. “But the fact is Filipinos have, since time immemorial, been in love with basketball.

“And if we love our people, if we respect their desires and want them to achieve their dreams and not disappoint them, I see no choice but for us to support basketball.”