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Ballstorm
06-07-2006, 08:02 AM
Mamoutou Diarra (198-F-80) of ES Chalon-Sur-Saone
Diarra has always played in france so far , and until this year it had always been in paris . Mamoutou is a very elegant player , cat like , whose biggest weakness could be his physical fragility . Standing nearly 200 for a guard , he must weigh around 90 kilos at most and has often seen his seasons reduced because of injury . Now , he is an athletic , disciplined forward who had a first good season in chalon .

12 pts (55% 2pts) 40% 3 pts 6.2 rbds .

Boris Diaw (203-F/C-82) of Phoenix Suns (USA)
Do we really need to present the best french player ? The formulation can pass for provocative , but it is my opinion that he is at this moment the most complete player around , surpassing parker's skills . given the situation in phoenix , he demonstrated that he could score quitee asily playing under the rim , and through the year his ability to nail jumpers from medium distance has improved as well . Was it a real mutation from a player describbed as a little too altruist to a scorer ? Not really , rather the revelation that Diaw is a competitor , and that he won't shy away from taking his responsabilities , whatever it takes .


Laurent Foirest (197-F-73) of Elan Bearnais Pau-Orthez
Foirest is not any longer the young greyhound he was once .. he has had a difficult season because of an injury which he has not yet completely recover from . Still , he remains an important player thanks to his strong fighting spirit and his ability from long distance . The choice has been regarded as a little suspect here but Foirest is a square guy , and if he does not live up to the expectations , I am confident that he will le tht ecoach know .

Mickael Gelabale (201-F-83) of Real Madrid (ESP)
Strange season for Gelabale . After having been a revelation on the European scene ( but not in france :) ) last year , he had a much more difficult season . Some people thought he would shine on the top european level , and finally he ended up not even being a part of the team in the final games of the spanish play off .. He's rumoured to look forward to joining the NBA next season ...(Seattle). Despite this so-so season , he is a good defender with a very solid all around game .


Joseph Gomis (180-G-78) of Forum Filatelico Valladolid (ESP)
Another player that is so accustomed to the spanish league that we always forget forget about him in france ...A player who applies good defensive pressure and can shoot the ball from long distance . Not really known as a tremendous playmaker though .


Aymeric Jeanneau (185-G-78) of Strasbourg IG
The "sergeant" of Eric Girard (coach of Strasbourg) . has developped a good outside stroke these last years and after one year playing the euroligue has gained a valuable experience at the hightest european level . A team player .


Cyril Julian (206-F/C-75) of Sluc Nancy Basket Pro
Best rebounder in france this year , Julian can score inside ( he's having problems doing it at the moment in the french play off though) , can rebound ( finally the area of the game in which he is probably the most reliable) . Not a very active defender .


Vincent Masingue (204-F-76) of Adecco ASVEL Lyon-Villeurbanne
Unlike Julian , Masingue is a solid defender , more of a team player and a good presence inside the locker room . Now he is just 204 cm at best , and not an atheltic beast . Somewhat of a limited player compared to the European best players , but he has always played with a chip on his shoulder and this strong mentality is a major asset .

Tony Parker (183-G-80) of San Antonio Spurs (USA)
The little scoring machine has had trouble making the difference i the last european championship , and despite all the things that can have been said at this subject , I am fairly sure that he looks forward to turn things around and make it clear that he is not just an NBA marvel .


Florent Pietrus (202-F-81) of Unicaja Malaga (ESP)
As most french inside players , Pietrus is a role player , limited in attack . On the other hand , he is a pesty defender and a physical player always looking for the offensive rebounds , which he often picks thanks to his quickness and jumping ability .


Mickael Pietrus (198-F-82) of Golden State Warriors (USA)
After a so-so season in golden state , mickael will have an occasion to continue to recover from the injury he suffered this year . He has played well in the last european champ , and will be a valuable asset , as long as he defends first and don't look too often for his own shoot , which is not the most reliable around .


Frederic Weis (217-C-77) of Lagun Aro Bilbao (ESP)
Had a great last european campaign , thanks to which he became a fan favourite after having been rather a subject of mockery for years . When he's fit , Weis is a very good rebounder and especially a good defender . really a center piece of the french edifice . His presence is absolutely necessary and his new found motivation highly expected . Let's hope that he is not too wore out after a season in Bilbao .


Head Coach: Claude Bergeaud

wardjdim
06-07-2006, 10:23 AM
Has Bergeaud already picked the 12-men?? Tough to believe..
Why arent Petro and/or Turiaf at least included in preliminary squad?
Is Janneau a proper back-up for Parker in yr opinion?

Ballstorm
06-07-2006, 01:03 PM
Has Bergeaud already picked the 12-men?? Tough to believe..
Why arent Petro and/or Turiaf at least included in preliminary squad?
Is Janneau a proper back-up for Parker in yr opinion?

To start with , it's not a definitive list , rather preselection . Petro is missing because he will stay in seattle for the month of june.

Now , some of the names mentioned surprised , particulary Foirest and Masingue . Regarding Masingue , he plays for the ASVEL ... the club coached by the national coach himself ... coincidence ? This choice is not aberrant either . Bergeaud stated from the begining that he intended to give a lot of importance to the "spirit" and in this regard Masingue is simply a valuable asset . Not the kind of Diva that will ask for a special treatment ....Things are not definitely set though , and you're right to mention a guy like Turiaf(who is a friend of diaw and parker..)..Bergeaud has never been very enthusiastic at his subject though ... he declared once that he was too short and lacked skills ..Another stragely absent player is Michel Morandais , who is having quite a good season in napoli (italy) and is currently in Play off . He would certainly sustain the comparison with an aging foirest , but once again , determination , spirit , commitment are not vain words for bergeaud .

Regarding jeanneau , he is a pretty good player , always concentrated , defensively efficient ...Not the best player around as a matter of fact but Jo gomis is there too .

wardjdim
06-08-2006, 09:25 AM
Let's wait and see then...
I am noting that more and more young players of France are getting added to a mid- / long-term plan of Bergeaud, which could be of course viewed as "obligatory" given this generation's huge potential and the lately rising popularity of basketball among French youth (correct me if I m wrong here).
Except from having this really nice 23-24 year old generation, which should carry France for the next 5-6 years, there is always a coming one, led by Batum, Ajinca, Diot, Vaty etc, who will very carefully be checked next month in the U-18 EC and after a while could be considered as the potential successors of today's leaders (Diaw, Parker, Gelabale, Pietrus, maybe even Turiaf, although he was never a star for them in the junior level and hasnt played International ball for some years). In between, there are the necessary role players, with, still unknown ability to sontribute in the team. Take for example Mahimni and Petro, whose game should still be considered a questionmark, especially in the top International level, but the added NBA experience and the Seattle Supersonics' trust next year will likely add a lot of self-confidence to his game. A new name in the picture is the one of Ali Traore, a nice banging type of player if I understand well, as I have not watched him yet. As you notice, the names of the potential role players are always targeting the frontcourt, because France is probably filled in the perimeter and it's awesome to see how well these guys can handle the defensive end and how fluid is ball movement with Diaw and Parker in the same lineup. On the other hand, Bergeaud needs to find what will he do with the back-up big men in Japan, because he could either go with two-three veteran centers in Weis/Julien/Schmidt, like he did last summer and use Diaw at PF and Florent Pietrus off the bench, or he can mix the veteran centers with some younger talent (one of Mahimni, Petro), a new and a bit older athletic and banging-type PF (Traore or Turiaf) to compliment Florent Pietrus, in order to keep defense low and move Diaw at small forward.
Of course, Bergeaud should not have this headache for more than this summer, as next year Joakim Noah should be having the necessary papers to participate in the Eurobasket and the French lineup could be completely different from then onwards...

Nemesis 11 (aka Sabas 11)
06-08-2006, 11:02 AM
I think Tony Parker can do everything Gomis can and then some so I don't think Gomis will be needed. This team has the potential to be the best defensive team in the tournament, but who's going to score?

wardjdim
06-09-2006, 08:05 AM
I think Tony Parker can do everything Gomis can and then some so I don't think Gomis will be needed. This team has the potential to be the best defensive team in the tournament, but who's going to score?
I dont think they will have many problems in scoring, as the ball distribution can create many free space opportunities and give Pietrus, Gelabale and Diaw their chance to hit their open shots. They need to worry abt shooting, though.
But isnt this the reason that Foirest is called back to the NT at age 33?

dwassernis
06-10-2006, 09:39 AM
I dont think they will have many problems in scoring, as the ball distribution can create many free space opportunities and give Pietrus, Gelabale and Diaw their chance to hit their open shots. They need to worry abt shooting, though.
But isnt this the reason that Foirest is called back to the NT at age 33?
If the French team will play smart and give parker to control the game and boris diaw as a forward they should get high at the europe championship.

Ballstorm
06-19-2006, 09:07 AM
If it was up to me , I would let parker on the bench . I know there is almost no chance for it to happen though , since heralded players rarely suffer this sort of affront :) . Why would I do that ? You certainly notice , in the last euro . campain , that parker struggled runing the offense , and even scoring . After a while though , he started playing better ands scoring , but never really running the point the way a point guard is supposed to do . Thing is , he tends to shoot the ball a lot , and less efficiently than in NBA ..his shoot mechanic is so-so , and his floaters often miss the rim ...On the other hand , coming from the bench , he would be a terrific offensive sparkle , and the opponent would have to make immediate changes to control him . easier said than done :).

Concerning shooters , well ..the team won't do any miracle this year ,as usual . Foirest has been preselected , but i strongly doubt that he will make the cut. he's been hurt this year , and he isn't young anymore .

Joško Poljak Fan
06-19-2006, 09:49 AM
Hi Ballie :) I missed you for the last few months...

2nd season after the breakthrough is always the toughest so I wouldn't be too worried about the season Gelebale had.

Considering the statistics Petro is getting in Seattle (I know that international game is a different story, but hey... he'd be damn usefull) I'd be quite a shock if he was missing imo. The effect of Weis was seen very nicely last EC, but having a decent replacement doesn't really hurt anybody...

I hope statistics in LegaUno won't make Bergeaud consider Vasco Evtimov.


...again people will underestimate France while imo with Serbia calling uo younger players, Lithuania missing some of key players, France should be a top notch candidate for a medal imho...

Ballstorm
06-20-2006, 07:37 AM
I don't think Evtimov stands a real chance to get selected . With weis , julian , turiaf , petro , mahinmi , masingue , marquis , Adjiwanou(206 cm, had a pretty good first season in reims after having spent the last 2 years in Saint Mary’s College of California)..we won't have to use the bulgaroïde . Regarding petro , it was really the best decision for him to join the USA . Imagine that in Pau , he hardly played , and was constantly bashed ( crazy fans...they wanted him to dominate ..at 18 years old . :rolleyes:

Fripp_Moe
06-21-2006, 04:13 PM
wardjdim, thanks for the link to this thread! A lot of extremely interesting thoughts here.

In FIBA Europe voting I put Diaw in the top five players of the year ahead of Parker -- based solely on their Eurobasket performances. But actually Parker arrived not ready for the tournament, having played all the way to the NBA Finals, that's how he ended up with some poor performances in group round and a sixth man role. He managed to turn it on for the decisive games.. This year he should be feeling better.. But yeah, he's a scorer more than anything else.

I'm surprised that Diaw's APG wasn't listed in the original post by Ballstorm. Only LeBron and Kidd averaged 6 RPG and 6 APG this season. Though with Steve Nash being injured, D'Antoni tried to run plays through Diaw and it didn't work too good -- other teams were covering him up.

Bergeaud said right after the tournament that Rigadeau will be missed and team chemistry for the future is in danger. Obviously Bergeaud is looking for someone to replace le Roi, hence the surprising call-ups of other older players As Ballstorm wrote about Foirest, "he remains an important player thanks to his strong fighting spirit". Just because of that Foirest can actually make the team.

wardjdim
06-22-2006, 04:47 AM
No probs man.
It's more than obvious that France has the brightest future among any Non-US NT. Amazing potential...

ajax
06-25-2006, 02:30 AM
I think you'll be surprised by Parker's improved outside shot. He's worked hard, change his mechanics. After the all-star break he shot .450 from 16 feet (approximately 5 meters) and out.

Ballstorm
06-26-2006, 11:21 AM
Yep , he's been working for at least a year on his shoot and he really improved it . It will definitely help his game .. In the mean time , he needs now to work on his PG skills / passing game in order to become a more complete player ( like billups) .

ziv
07-09-2006, 09:35 PM
ballstorm
i just watched the game (from sportbit) between france a team and italy (also a team or something). but i can't identify the players - do you have the roster (with numbers would be great but if not - than at least with heights or something that might help the identification...).

sinobball
07-19-2006, 07:20 PM
Can anyone record the French tournament (Lithuania, France, China, Senegal) on TPS-Star and BT it?

BBallfanJ
07-20-2006, 01:45 AM
I have to say, the French team could potentially be really, REALLY good in a couple of years, if you throw in Joakim Noah, who sounds like a big-time prospect in the future. Plus, you've got this Alexis kid (sorry, I forgot his last name) who they are comparing to Garnett. He's too skinny right now, but in a couple of years, look out. With an all-star in Parker, a continually improving Diaw, the Pietrus bros. Gelebale, Turiaf, a developing Petro, plus the ones mentioned earlier, France could develop into a true world basketball power, like the U.S., Argentina, Lithuania, old-school Serbia, etc.

Toris
08-01-2006, 05:09 PM
Hello everyone, i'm new here even if I was used to read your posts here quite often.

Let's talk about France NT since I didn't see any thread on that team here.

French coach Claude Bergeaud has recently given a list of 14 players, who are right now playing at the Acropolis Tournament in Athens. After that, one will be eliminated before a trip to Asia, China first, where France will play another tournament where the final list will be released.

Actually, the 14 are :

Guards :

- Yannick Bokolo (Le Mans)
http://www.u20men2005.com/en/files/%7B884A884A-AB2C-41F0-97DF-CA5D30CC5146%7Dmedium_h.jpg

- Joseph Gomis (Forum Valladolid)
http://www.solobasket.com/fotos/662_2.jpg

- Aymeric Jeanneau (Strasbourg)
http://www.sigbasket.fr/articles/photos/Jeanneau_03.jpg

- Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/0921/photo/i_parker_195.jpg

Forwards :

- Mamoutou Diarra (Chalon Sur Saone)
http://www.basketzone.com/images/divers/actualites/20041029003509_bz_diarra_6027.jpg

- Boris Diaw (Phoenix Suns)
http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/France/Boris%20Diaw%20-%20France%20(fiba).jpg

- Laurent Foirest (Pau-Orthez)
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/p3/20060728/11/2591469569.jpg

- Mickaël Gelabale (ex Real Madrid ; Seattle Supersonics)
http://ww2.sport24.com/photos/1152792109.jpg

- Florent Pietrus (Unicaja Malaga)
http://www.fibaeurope.com/eurobasket2005/en/files/%7BE5909276-4827-46EB-88F2-F3DEC3598DAE%7Dlarge_v.jpg

- Mickaël Piétrus (Golden State Warriors)
http://www.fibaeurope.com/eurobasket2005/en/files/%7BEE44AEA8-83F2-4A4E-A749-E7D61A35683E%7Dlarge_v.jpg


Centers :

- Cyril Julian (Nancy)
http://fiba.com/images/web/News/players_head_shots/fra/_original/fra_cyril_julian_ori.jpg

- Johan Petro (Seattle Supersonics)
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/images/bask/nba/draft/2005/profiles/DRAFT-PETRO.jpg

- Ronny Turiaf (LA Lakers)
http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/imgs/p2092.jpg

- Frédéric Weis (Bilbao)
http://www.usabasketball.com/images/carter_dunk_france_220.jpg
Ooops...
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/reuters_ids/20060406/10/4119010072.jpg


These guys have played 5 preparation games, so far and have won it all :

vs Switzerland : 84 - 56
vs Senegal : 95-58
vs Lithuania : 71-64
vs China : 76-57
vs Italia : 66-59

Allez les Bleus !

:)


PS : I hope my english is not too bad but I'm not sure... ;)

Minotavros
08-01-2006, 05:18 PM
The French NT has a lot of african roots....
The French NT is 90% black..Why are French blacks better than French whites in basketball???
Is it genetics, or maybe French whites have no interest in basketball...

the_black_planet
08-01-2006, 05:26 PM
Really strong team,but I would take Yohan Sangare for 3rd PG and Yakuba Diawarra instead of Mamutu Diarra.

Toris
08-01-2006, 05:28 PM
This is not a specifity of the basketball in France. Most of the better athlets are black. One of the main explaination for that is that France can counts on a territory, named Guadeloupe in Carribean Islands, wher a lot of athlets come from. For example, in this NT, The Pietrus brothers and Gelabale come from there. It is the same in football, athletism and other sports.

rikhardur
08-01-2006, 06:05 PM
Toris oh had a good laugh seeing your first photo of Weis and then "Ooops..." hehe
A ("ridiculous" and amazing) moment for the history of basketball for sure :p