Final: Spain vs Russia

[rikhardur]

The much awaited game!
Russia back to a final after many years in the shade and Spain proving their power which has been going on since last year's WC.
Spain an expected finalist, Russia not at all.
Let the discussion and the voting begin! ;)

[Kleber]

Well Russia should have a rest day to prepare such a game.Let see what blatt can do....

Btw,i don't know if anyone knows but wewill have two european finals tomorow in basket and volley between russia and spain and in madrid and moscow!:p ,what a coincidence.

[estanis]

....jesus christ ..i wont sleep tonight..i can taste the gold already.Good luck Russia.

[elaj]

I voted for Spain, but my heart is with Russia in this one. If they can repeat the defensive end of the game as they did vs. Lithuania and maybe even better offense they can surprise Spain infront of their fans.

It's clearly almost impossible in my opinion, but that's basketball, just remember how Slovenia lost to Germany and Greece. Impossible becomes all of the sudden possible. :D

[softice]

I voted for Spain, but my heart is with Russia in this one.

My vote and my heart is for Russia.
I don't think that Spain is unbeatable at all. I am sure that will be a close game and i have trust to Blatt.

[rikhardur]

I voted for Spain, but my heart is with Russia in this one.
Same here ;)

[estanis]

My vote and my heart is for Russia.
I don't think that Spain is unbeatable at all. I am sure that will be a close game and i have trust to Blatt.



During the last 2 years ive heard that "that Spain is no unbeatable " millions times but apart from Marko Tomas fluke the real deal is that no body beat us .
I dont think that any team in the world is unbeatable ...but spain have been heading that way for a long time now.

And i dont think tomorrow will be any different ..even if i think that russian is the best team after spain at this eurobasket .

[.UA]

I did not expect such good words about Russia. I am surprised.well...thanx. :confused:

[Big Lebowski]

Interesting game: Spain played today with five men (and they could do that...), will they be tired? Russia too hadn't an easy life in the semi... anyway, I don't think that Greg Louganis, Klaus Dibiasi, Gao Min, Dmitri Sautin and Filippo Inzaghi (Spain's starting five) will lose this gold medal.

[Olympicspirit]

Moral justice should be brought after Spain's scandalous win against Greece, with players-actors diving on the floors creating fake-fouls, Spanish players cry-babies throwing temper-tantrums to the referees, shoving the greeks, when Greece was ahead in the score, and in their panic those actor-Divas forgot all about fair play and good sportsmanship, shame on those Diva and arrogant players who hate loosing with dignity.

Moral justice should be brought to againts those inept referees who wanted to please the home team and the spanish cheering crowds, by whistleling faux fouls againsts the Greek team. Everything on the game was a scandal, only the Greek teams superb performance inspight of all the negative forces against it, gave the game prestige. Those faux-fouls by the referres costed Greece the place in the Final.

Good news for the Spanish players is that they might consider being hired for Aldomovar next film, great actors;) Go Russia:)

[Hovd3n]

good luck...I believe, fans believe, RUSSIA believe in our team!
good luck again!

[DeusEx]

What can i say. Russians play well but because of personal prejudices i wouldnt even plan on voting for them, but damn spanish really showed bad manners vs germany. I dont think there will be a winner this year guys :( . not for me anyway.

[estanis]

What can i say. Russians play well but because of personal prejudices i wouldnt even plan on voting for them, but damn spanish really showed bad manners vs germany. I dont think there will be a winner this year guys :( . not for me anyway.


....thats per sure DeusEx ...not for you

[Jan van Grabski]

Well, let's be fair.....Spanish has a great and balanced team, they play at home....Even if Spanish will play their worst game in a century, for russians it would be almost impossible to get this victory....they wouldn't be allowed and we would see some scenes that could compete for Oscar award. okey, i am not serious here.


Russians already implemented their goals 150 % and they should be proud whatever result is tomorrow.

[FRANKY 13]

This game is giving the chance to Kirilenko to win a title he really deserves and
become an even greater icon than he already is. The chances of Russia to beat Spain are pretty slim but since it became clear that the biggest advantage for the furias rojas against their major rival (wounded Greece) is the homecourt (as opposed to their supposed extraterrestrial skills), nothing is impossible.

Of course, needless to say that if Kirilenko commits his 3rd foul within the first quarter, go ahead and turn your tv off....

Ps. I hope everyone noticed that the 2-3 Spanish posters who appeared lately in this forum are the definition of a sad gloryseeker (Genjuro is of course excluded). Therefore their posts should be ignored for the sake of the boards.

[Hovd3n]

This game is giving the chance to Kirilenko to win a title he really deserves and
become an even greater icon than he already is. The chances of Russia to beat Spain are pretty slim but since it became clear that the biggest advantage for the furias rojas against its major rival (wounded Greece) is the homecourt (as opposed to their supposed extraterrestrial skills), nothing is impossible.

Of course, needless to say that if Kirilenko commits his 3rd foul within the first quarter, go ahead and turn your tv off....

Ps. I hope everyone noticed that the 2-3 Spanish posters who appeared lately in this forum are the definition of a sad gloryseeker (Genjuro is of course excluded). Therefore their posts should be ignored for the sake of the boards.
bad statistic: RUSSIA didn`t win matches in home of their opponents...in friendly games and in championship(lietuva,latvia,france,germany,spain). ..all games on neutral court we won...
so........
let`s do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I BELIEVE!

[ArkadiosV2]

Davai Rossia! Kirilenko will drink lots of keffir tonight and will be fresh and ready for the final.

[T.W.Is.M.]

Let's go Russia!!!
Beat the whining divers who will try 2 intimidate and bully u only because they play at home.
B aware that they will have the refs on their side and that they will try 2 persuade all of us that the officials helped their opponent!!!If they r not embarrassed 2 write such things, when will they b???

[Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!!]

My take on the Greek’s absurdity is they live in their own bubble, a situation probably caused by hyperprotection from their media, or most likely, because their journalists are fanatics too. And as a result, they actually believe in their own excuses. They really think they were humilliated in the WC final because they underestimated Spain, they really think they were crushed in the first round because the tournament hasn’t started for them yet and they really think they lost today because Calderon exaggerated a foul somewhere the third quarter.
But the fact is, that if the refs had wistled half the fouls the Greeks were committing in every Spanish attack, they would have been crushed in the usual way.

[DeusEx]

My take on the Greek’s absurdity is they live in their own bubble, a situation probably caused by hyperprotection from their media, or most likely, because their journalists are fanatics too. And as a result, they actually believe in their own excuses. They really think they were humilliated in the WC final because they underestimated Spain, they really think they were crushed in the first round because the tournament hasn’t started for them yet and they really think they lost today because Calderon exaggerated a foul somewhere the third quarter.
But the fact is, that if the refs had wistled half the fouls the Greeks were committing in every Spanish attack, they would have been crushed in the usual way.
Congragulations on making a useless post. Im not greek, but your post is bull, plain and simple... Using big words doesnt make you smart here, in fact it shows your pathetic attempt to disguise poorly constructed arguments. This truly shows your limited knowledge of what has happened. You forget such minor details like Rudy's acting in the game with the greeks, the ref help for the Spaniards, and most importantly the fact that greece had 16 hours of rest before the game. How much did spain have? 1-2 days ? Fair right ? Greeks played passionately and strong, just remember the game vs Slovenia. And today even while being the underdogs, they DID have a chance to win the game. Just amazing defense by greece.

EDIT: some bastard edited my post and removed the carefully prepared offensive sentences i had written in. thanks for nothing schmucks.

[DeusEx]

Well Russia should have a rest day to prepare such a game.Let see what blatt can do....

Btw,i don't know if anyone knows but wewill have two european finals tomorow in basket and volley between russia and spain and in madrid and moscow!:p ,what a coincidence.
did lithuania had a full day rest vs russia? no. Did greece have a full day rest vs spain? no.

[kestas]

Russia is the most underestimated team in the tournament. well coached and stable (complete oposite of LIthuania, btw). indeed the local press forgot this is Eurobasket they're commentating, they forgot how Lithuania collapsed in the crucial stages in the Olympics and in the Worlds. they forgot we have a new coach (and look at his assistants....). but the bigest thing they forgot is to give credit to the Russians, who were relaxed and dominated the unrecognisible LTU.

anyways, if Spain plays as they could, - easy win. but if they stumble psychologically, Russians could take it. in any case nobody should take tha fact that we lost to Russia as a prove that Russia could beat Spain. Lithiuania sucked big time in the begining of the match (actually, in the end as well) and however good were the Russians, they most certainly are not better than in-form Spain. overall I think in-form Lithuania would be the toughest opponent for the Spanish, but for that the game should have been played a weak ago, right now Russia is indeed the best team apart from Spain.

[softice]

My take on the Greek’s absurdity is they live in their own bubble, a situation probably caused by hyperprotection from their media, or most likely, because their journalists are fanatics too. And as a result, they actually believe in their own excuses.

I loled here.
Greek media:
http://www.contra.gr/ (nothing about reffs)
http://www.sportnews.gr/ (some bad whistles)
http://www.sport24.gr/ (nothing about reffs)
http://www.sport.gr/ (some bad whistles and bad decisions at last minutes from Greek players)

Spanish media:
http://www.marca.com/ (Spain had to play against Greece and reffs)

Now who is living in his bubble?

[Nikoo]

Давай, Россия.

[Daniel Goldstein]

I loled here.
Greek media:
http://www.contra.gr/ (nothing about reffs)
http://www.sportnews.gr/ (some bad whistles)
http://www.sport24.gr/ (nothing about reffs)
http://www.sport.gr/ (some bad whistles and bad decisions at last minutes from Greek players)

Spanish media:
http://www.marca.com/ (Spain had to play against Greece and reffs)

Now who is living in his bubble?

Luckily, the worst sport journal of Europe. MARCA, isn´t the best representation of Spain.

Inside or outside of my buble, i don´think that referees condicionate the final score, but it´s just another opinion.

Regards!

P.S- Another useless post for the expert DeuxEx...the feeling is mutual :)

[kestas]

P.S- Another useless post for the expert ...

I'll add one too :)

here's quote from the FIBA post-game report (Russia's win yesterday):

"For the first time since 1993 Russia is in the EuroBasket finals, and will get a shot to win the title for the first time since 1985, back when it was still known as the USSR."

on the one hand we too consider Russia dirrectly responsible fro the crimes of USSR (which they don't admit). on the other hand, not many citizens of the Russian Federation were on that team (2 or 3 if i'm not mistaken as there were Lithuanians (4), Latvian, Estonian, a bunch of Ukranians, etc.). in this regard such sentence could be treated a direct insult to all those proud states that were occupied by the USSR.

k

[FRANKY 13]

I'll add one too :)

here's quote from the FIBA post-game report (Russia's win yesterday):

"For the first time since 1993 Russia is in the EuroBasket finals, and will get a shot to win the title for the first time since 1985, back when it was still known as the USSR."

on the one hand we too consider Russia dirrectly responsible fro the crimes of USSR (which they don't admit). on the other hand, not many citizens of the Russian Federation were on that team (2 or 3 if i'm not mistaken as there were Lithuanians (4), Latvian, Estonian, a bunch of Ukranians, etc.). in this regard such sentence could be treated a direct insult to all those proud states that were occupied by the USSR.

k

I did notice that too. And although I dont have any kind of problem with Russian people, since I dont use to mix politics and sports or human relations,
I think some things should be expressed in a more delicate way.

[Stardusted]

Good luck to Russia, I hope your coach takes your players to some diving pool for today's final training. Trust me, it will be needed.

Hopefully though you will have the refs on your side against the spanish divers, because as everybody knows the refs will once again play 70-30% against spain. Oh, the little buggers...

PS : Good luck to the spanish divers too, I hope all of your actors are in top shape and have read well the game script. Especially al pachino... err excuse me, garbajosa.

[Hovd3n]

Давай, Россия.
:D :D :D

[DrGonzo]

My take on the Greek’s absurdity is they live in their own bubble, a situation probably caused by hyperprotection from their media, or most likely, because their journalists are fanatics too. And as a result, they actually believe in their own excuses. They really think they were humilliated in the WC final because they underestimated Spain, they really think they were crushed in the first round because the tournament hasn’t started for them yet and they really think they lost today because Calderon exaggerated a foul somewhere the third quarter.
But the fact is, that if the refs had wistled half the fouls the Greeks were committing in every Spanish attack, they would have been crushed in the usual way.
I am sorry, but did you actally read the title of this thread before posting this?????:eek:

[KONSTANTINE]

i wish russia win.i dont want this clown,calderon to win the mvp award.
great player and great actor.

[KONSTANTINE]

My take on the Greek’s absurdity is they live in their own bubble, a situation probably caused by hyperprotection from their media, or most likely, because their journalists are fanatics too. And as a result, they actually believe in their own excuses. They really think they were humilliated in the WC final because they underestimated Spain, they really think they were crushed in the first round because the tournament hasn’t started for them yet and they really think they lost today because Calderon exaggerated a foul somewhere the third quarter.
But the fact is, that if the refs had wistled half the fouls the Greeks were committing in every Spanish attack, they would have been crushed in the usual way.


i checked all online media.guess what.all are writing about spanish players acting abilities.:cool: only spanish media doesnt accept it

[porompompero]

Moral justice should be brought after Spain's scandalous win against Greece, with players-actors diving on the floors creating fake-fouls, Spanish players cry-babies throwing temper-tantrums to the referees, shoving the greeks, when Greece was ahead in the score, and in their panic those actor-Divas forgot all about fair play and good sportsmanship, shame on those Diva and arrogant players who hate loosing with dignity.

What is moral justice? Are you qualified to explain what is moral justice? an advice: accept the loose and don't complain too much. You're cryng like a baby, and I understand that coming from a child. I expect you're not a child and I'm not talking to a crying baby chupete. You are who aren't loosing with dignity
It's over Italian Diva

[porompompero]

i checked all online media.guess what.all are writing about spanish players acting abilities.:cool: only spanish media doesnt accept it
Ohh yes? what media? greek media? They are all media?
It is all relative, you know.

[Afraid]

i wish russia win.i dont want this clown,calderon to win the mvp award.
great player and great actor.
Calderon may be twice as good as Saras is(was in europe), but the crowd will never love him as much as loved Saras. He acts a scene, then with seriuos and arrogantic face puts his hands in the air and not even looking at fans, and never smiles them. maybe he feels uncomfortable coz hes not playing but acting? If sapin will win ill be happy only for REYES, who is the most seriuos guy out there.

[KONSTANTINE]

personally i would ashamed if i was spanish by calderon and garbajosa.
by the way, check some international websites and forums.people from all over the world are calling them great actors and clowns

[Stardusted]

Spanish fans are already showing how the mimic the character of their players. Stop trying to alter reality through stupid posts. Again good luck to russia vs the circus.

[porompompero]

I wish Spain to win. I don't want a band of angry greeks gloating over a fictitious loose.

Some greek fans already not accepting our fair win and complaining. This situation is as normal as pathethic. You are all loosers and you have to accept this soon or later.

[FREESOUL]

Thanks for the support to the team of Russia! ;)
But even i don't think we will beat the team of Spain... they're too hot inside and outside (Gazol, Navarro, Calderon)...
The only key to make a succes for my team is good defence... very hard athletic defence...

[Joško Poljak Fan]

don't want to flame it further although my words mostlikely will, but if you guys check some older threads, you will find out there are many people complaining about spanish acting and unproportional referee protests at all costs from the very begining of this championship and it has little to do with their nationality or results of their NT vs. Spain.
The fact greeks became that loud is just that majority of them haven't watch spanish games before or weren't that interested in it.

[estanis]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).

Jesus we rule basketball.:D....Come on all at once LETS HAIL THE CHAMPIONS.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).

Jesus we rule basketball.:D....Come on all at once LETS HAIL THE CHAMPIONS.
if your players would think the same way (I consider them too experienced and profesional to actually think that way), than it would indeed be an one way game...:rolleyes:

[Olympicspirit]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).

Jesus we rule basketball.:D....Come on all at once LETS HAIL THE CHAMPIONS.

Lol, the European Basket-fall Diving Champions is the title that will better suit the Spanish NF if they win tonight, Go Russia, and hope you wont suffer from biased refereer who want to please the home team, and beware of the Spanish cry-baby divers and the *show* they will put;)

[BlackAdder]

don't want to flame it further although my words mostlikely will, but if you guys check some older threads, you will find out there are many people complaining about spanish acting and unproportional referee protests at all costs from the very begining of this championship and it has little to do with their nationality or results of their NT vs. Spain.
The fact greeks became that loud is just that majority of them haven't watch spanish games before or weren't that interested in it.
Ditto. I hate to see the team so full of talent wasting their time on court in amateur drama antics and dirty playing. :mad: It reminds me of Italian squadra azzura - how it is possible to have in one team players like Cannavaro, Nesta and others, who don't give up an inch against any opponent, no matter how strong, and tactics of diving, complaining, whining?
And before you will start saying that it is a matter of sour grapes, I would say that I never condone such behaviour among our own players. Lot's of our national team problems is because of too much time spent arguing with referees as opposed to standing up and playing.
But Garbajosa and Fernandez took the dark side of basketball game to another level altogether. Therefore, you're the strongest squad in Europe, there's no doubt about it. But you suck big time. It's not just "suck". It's a huge 40-storeys skyscraper with neon signs all over the night sky "YOU SUCK" :p

[Big Lebowski]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).
Since USSR and Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia don't exist anymore, even if USSR and SRYugoslavia won the world championship and the Eurobasket the following year, Spain will be the first country to achieve that.

I'm really missing the era of the MS-DOS. Access to a worldwide-global communication is too easy in this Microsoft Age.

[estanis]

Lol, the European Basket-fall Diving Champions is the title that will better suit the Spanish NF if they win tonight, Go Russia, and hope you wont suffer from biased refereer who want to please the home team, and beware of the Spanish cry-baby divers and the *show* they will put;)


Spain 70 – We've lost again 47
Spain 76 – We've lost again 58
Spain 82 – We've lost again 77

...Olympicspirit i think is time for you to think about starting to get over it ..and just hail the champions.

[estanis]

Since USSR and Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia don't exist anymore, even if USSR and SRYugoslavia won the world championship and the Eurobasket the following year, Spain will be the first country to achieve that.

I'm really missing the era of the MS-DOS. Access to a worldwide-global communication is too easy in this Microsoft Age.



....Just'a reminder ,you will be suprise how many people forget these days.:cool:

[FRANKY 13]

....Just'a reminder ,you will be suprise how many people forget these days.:cool:

Thank god youre here man.:cool:

[Olympicspirit]

Spain 70 – We've lost again 47
Spain 76 – We've lost again 58
Spain 82 – We've lost again 77

...Olympicspirit i think is time for you to think about starting to get over it ..and just hail the champions.

name calling... 1st warning
Im hailing for Russia tonight, as I was hailing for the real winners of the game yesterday between Greece and Spain, the Greek team was the real winner, fighting against all negative odds and a bunch of spanish actors.

[achinet]

This is going to be a really hard final. Russia is going up. Kirilenko is amazzing but they have also a god team behid him. Holden...wow. It will be hard. I hope Spain win this one, but i'm not sure. (it will be the first gold for spain after 5 silvers, It's now or never).


P.S.: Stop sayin that the ref help Spain. Moust of you said it after each spanish game. I think they deserve a little respect.

[T.W.Is.M.]

Spain 70 – We've lost again 47
Spain 76 – We've lost again 58
Spain 82 – We've lost again 77

...Olympicspirit i think is time for you to think about starting to get over it ..and just hail the champions.

Just quit the sport.Watch Barca C.F., Real Madrid C.F., Valencia and the historic (my favorite) Recreativo de Huelva.Probably bball started 4 u last year and will finish tonight.
There r losers in the court and losers in the mind.Fortunately we r only the former and we don't have 100% responsibility 4 that.

[T.W.Is.M.]

This is going to be a really hard final. Russia is going up. Kirilenko is amazzing but they have also a god team behid him. Holden...wow. It will be hard. I hope Spain win this one, but i'm not sure. (it will be the first gold for spain after 5 silvers, It's now or never).


P.S.: Stop sayin that the ref help Spain. Moust of you said it after each spanish game. I think they deserve a little respect.

My friend I have every intention 2 show respect 2 your team.But your players' and fans' reactions don't let me do it.And finally I'm glad 2 c a good post about the final.

[achinet]

But your players' and fans' reactions don't let me do it

Do you mean like the respect that you show with you signature??:rolleyes:

[Stardusted]

I wish Spain to win. I don't want a band of angry greeks gloating over a fictitious loose.

Some greek fans already not accepting our fair win and complaining. This situation is as normal as pathethic. You are all loosers and you have to accept this soon or later.

Statements like that, once again show what you are made of, and I am talking specifically for you, not for all spanish fans.

As I have already said in these forums, I watched the game with 4 friends of mine, all of them spaniards (3 guys and a girl). They saw the game, they saw the diving, they were ashamed of it.

Of course the game was great, and I agree both teams played good. It may or may have not ended up in the same result without the comedy and the diving.

I am not angry so much for loosing it in such a way, but mostly because it was an incredible fight, and the spaniards tried to turn it into a parody. They ruined a great game.

Never before have I seen players falling like that, ANYONE who has played basketball understands exactly what was going on. Many of us me including were cheering spaniards when we lost to them in 2006.

Yesterday was different, and it was ridiculus. Go on and insult us as much as you like, I won't fall down to your level and start calling the fans loosers and such words that you like to use so much.

Facts are facts though.

On one hand we have an example from the greek team, Papaloukas, congratulating a three pointer that sent us to the extra team in the game vs serbia, and on the other hand we have an example of a spanish player, Garbajosa, falling ridiculusly and holding his head (!!!) when the light contact that was made was made shoulder to shoulder!

Again, look at the video, and tell me.

How can a shoulder to shoulder contact, lead to a player HOLDING IN TERRIBLE PAIN HIS FCKN HEAD ?

Ridiculus.

[porompompero]

There were one actor(obviously Calderon diving), and a lot of fighters. Yesterday I counted 4 or 5 fouls that the referees didn't gave to the spanish, more specifically performed by Dikoudis and Tsarsaris. And 1 technical foul missing. And the invented technical foul to Rudy Fernández (What was that? Did you see that?). From my point of view the referees made a lot of mistakes ON BOTH SIDES. OMG stop cryng, there are some loosers fans here.

[estanis]

Just quit the sport.Watch Barca C.F., Real Madrid C.F., Valencia and the historic (my favorite) Recreativo de Huelva.Probably bball started 4 u last year and will finish tonight.
There r losers in the court and losers in the mind.Fortunately we r only the former and we don't have 100% responsibility 4 that.


yeah sure ..you just watch us getting gold tonight and learn ...learn my friend.
"There r losers in the court and losers in the mind.Fortunately we r neither and we have 100% responsibility 4 that."

[Olympicspirit]

This is going to be a really hard final. Russia is going up. Kirilenko is amazzing but they have also a god team behid him. Holden...wow. It will be hard. I hope Spain win this one, but i'm not sure. (it will be the first gold for spain after 5 silvers, It's now or never).


P.S.: Stop sayin that the ref help Spain. Moust of you said it after each spanish game. I think they deserve a little respect.


I use to respect the Spanish NF, till last night, my respect was lost.

[porompompero]

As I said before is all relative, In my opinion the general result is OK. And I am only saying that there are some, not all greek, but some greek fans that don't assume the loose and insult all the spanish people calling us cheaters and all that things. Stop bitching.

[Stardusted]

If we were loosers my spanish friends, we would act like that all the time, I am again saying to you we lost before to spain, a great team.

Why should I or any greek fan cry or not accept that ? I do not consider it a shame.

Yesterday was not that case, no matter how many times you call names at us, in the same way your players did.

Examples ? Did you see the foul that was whistled on spanoulis on a spanish turn-over ? He WAS STANDING STILL BEHIND THE SPANISH PLAYER, HANDS FOLDED! And your bench was yelling for a FCKN technical !!!!

You should also note that there is a rule in basketball that says a player can get a technical foul if he acts. Yes, there actually is a rule like that, go get some ref book and read it. Thats why you got that technical. You should ve got a lot more.

And one last question, AGAIN, untill someone answers :

HOW CAN A SIMPLE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER CONTACT, like the ones that are happening all the time in basketball, lead to Garbajosa fallin on the floor HOLDING HIS HEAD IN TERRIBLE PAIN ?

R I D I C U L U S.

[estanis]

.....i dont get it ...this thread says Final: Spain vs Russia..it doesnt say losers come to cry here your sorrows.Come on guys just get over it ,you are no good enough thats all ..is only a sport thing.

Past is gone lets enjoy the present ...superb game tonight

[porompompero]

Statements like that, once again show what you are made of, and I am talking specifically for you, not for all spanish fans.

As I have already said in these forums, I watched the game with 4 friends of mine, all of them spaniards (3 guys and a girl). They saw the game, they saw the diving, they were ashamed of it.

Of course the game was great, and I agree both teams played good. It may or may have not ended up in the same result without the comedy and the diving.

I am not angry so much for loosing it in such a way, but mostly because it was an incredible fight, and the spaniards tried to turn it into a parody. They ruined a great game.

Never before have I seen players falling like that, ANYONE who has played basketball understands exactly what was going on. Many of us me including were cheering spaniards when we lost to them in 2006.

Yesterday was different, and it was ridiculus. Go on and insult us as much as you like, I won't fall down to your level and start calling the fans loosers and such words that you like to use so much.

Facts are facts though.

On one hand we have an example from the greek team, Papaloukas, congratulating a three pointer that sent us to the extra team in the game vs serbia, and on the other hand we have an example of a spanish player, Garbajosa, falling ridiculusly and holding his head (!!!) when the light contact that was made was made shoulder to shoulder!

Again, look at the video, and tell me.

How can a shoulder to shoulder contact, lead to a player HOLDING IN TERRIBLE PAIN HIS FCKN HEAD ?

Ridiculus.
You don't understand, I assume Calderon was diving. But don't you think you are overstepping the mark insulting calling the spanish ridicoulus, divas ,etc?
And it is a lie that you lost? Rethink, I'm not insulting nobody.

[porompompero]

.....i dont get it ...this thread says Final: Spain vs Russia..it doesnt say losers come to cry here your sorrows.Come on guys just get over it ,you are no good enough thats all ..is only a sport thing.

Past is gone lets enjoy the present ...superb game tonight
The most inteligent opinion of this thread.

[CG]

ah there you are..i thought you were fighting in the arena of Spain - Greece or Lithuania - Greece thread.But i can see that this area has numerous places to make war.keep on i wont disturb you :D


please be warned Spanish warriors,Greeks and Liths have much more experience since they were fighting in the famous "1 YEAR WAR OF EUROLEAGUE"
In this Greeks won last year while they also take part on the civil OLY-PAO war.THey have reached some of them 20 level of experience.So think carefully and retreat as soon as you can;)

[estanis]

deleted.
start contributing something worth of the ussual IBN level- this goes for all of you, "mod team" won't be waiting for banning people from this thread as we did yesterday.
Matiz

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Russia or Spain, Spain or Russia this is question :rolleyes: :confused:

[achinet]

I hope a very tied game. An epic final. Kirilenko vs Gasol. Calderón vs Holden. Savrasenko vs Reyes. Khryapa vs Navarro... Mmmmm nice final.

[Digdis]

Hey, I don't have too much to post here as I used to due to loads of work. As this forum turns out, I hope I won't have other reasons to keep this going.

Off topic: I expect an exciting game tonight, just like this entire championship, with a slight edge for Spain. A Russian victory won't surprise me though.

[PHILIPeurobasket]

I hope a very tied game. An epic final. Kirilenko vs Gasol. Calderón vs Holden. Savrasenko vs Reyes. Khryapa vs Navarro... Mmmmm nice final.

GREAT final :) I cannot wait any minute more when I see Kirilenko vs. Gasol under basket, and Calderon vs. Holden :rolleyes:

[estanis]

deleted.
start contributing something worth of the ussual IBN level- this goes for all of you, "mod team" won't be waiting for banning people from this thread as we did yesterday.
Matiz


wow ive just wrote "....no offence or anything guys but how about drying your tears down memory lane".
So in a Thread about Spain -Russia people is crapping about yesterday game.. in a polite manner i ask to go to cry about it in the spain vs greek thread and you deleted my post and ask me start contributing something worth of the ussual IBN level.:confused:

[Samuel]

off topic

About the game. It wasn't a surprise Russia's victory. Lithuania it's probably a better team, but in this tournament went from better to worse due Jasikevicius injury. Russia was in the opposite direction, and Holden is doing an excellent tournament. He knows what their team needs at every moment, and they deserve playing the final.

They are obviously not the favourite, which we'll let them playing with less pressure. I really think Spain is a better team, but I see they have nothing to lose and a lot to win. I don't have good feelings about today's game, and believe Russia has lots of chances to win. Anyway, I'll hope we'll watch a very good basketball game.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

wow ive just wrote "....no offence or anything guys but how about drying your tears down memory lane".
So in a Thread about Spain -Russia people is crapping about yesterday game.. in a polite manner i ask to go to cry about it in the spain vs greek thread and you deleted my post and ask me start contributing something worth of the ussual IBN level.:confused:
Actually read it one more time carefully, I've said this applies to everyone included and your post can btw. easily be missunderstood.

I don't care for anyones resentment towards Greece-Spain game and from now on posts indicating those stuff will be deleted and I am sure noone wants to give me a reason for banning him from the thread, before the game and discussion even begins... and again repeating myself: this aplies to everyone here, not mentioning any individuals, but especially to some new members that arent yet used to IBN rules and policy.

edit: I've actually moved some OT post, from now on any post applying to Greece/Spain game in this thread will be deleted, members posting that in this thread gets one warning before getting banned from the thread, and if continuing I am sure banning from the forum follows up.
just don't cry later about your whole posts getting deleted...
and again, applies to everyone.

[porompompero]

I expect a great game against Russia, I'm particularly worried about their 3 pointers Holden, kryapa and pashutin. Against Greece I saw some greek shooters alone in the 3 point line various times.

[flyinturk]

cska powerhouse smodis should play for russia for the challenges sake:) 4th qua. will be formality unfortunatelly

[T.W.Is.M.]

What I really hope tonight is 2 c another great match like most of the ones we saw in the past 2 days.We have 2 of the biggest teams not only in Europe, but in the world.They can offer a big matchup, as long as it's not ruined by external factors.The key players won't b Gasol and Kirilenko imo, they r expected 2 shine.The result could b determined by complementary players who will have a big game and by the contribution of stars(but non-first-options) like Navarro and Khryapa.I just hope we won't c Kirilenko having 2 fouls in 3 minutes again...

[jaka13]

am i wrong or the most people in this forum are with russia?
I think that some spaniarda said yesterday, that we,greeks, lost our respect towards europeans...:rolleyes:

My heart and my vote goes for Russia.I hope you won't get cheated guys.

[Mocho]

am i wrong or the most people in this forum are with russia?
I think that some spaniarda said yesterday, that we,greeks, lost our respect towards europeans...:rolleyes:

My heart and my vote goes for Russia.I hope you won't get cheated guys.

You're worng...it was 50%...and thinking that every Greeks and every Russians have voted Russia...we are favourites...again... ;) good luck in the fight for the bronze...

[estanis]

am i wrong or the most people in this forum are with russia?
I think that some spaniarda said yesterday, that we,greeks, lost our respect towards europeans...:rolleyes:

My heart and my vote goes for Russia.I hope you won't get cheated guys.



....sorry you mean cheated or crushed?I cant understand people still crying about it .Come on just hours away from glory lets talk about todays game.

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

wow ive just wrote "....no offence or anything guys but how about drying your tears down memory lane".
So in a Thread about Spain -Russia people is crapping about yesterday game.. in a polite manner i ask to go to cry about it in the spain vs greek thread and you deleted my post and ask me start contributing something worth of the ussual IBN level.:confused:

You are something else. I will support the spanish team tonight in the final, but even if they loose I will not be that sad knowing that you would have shutted up. But I think that this won't happen anyway. I think that all you do here is loosing more respect for the spanish team with your arrogance. It is a shame for spanish people. If you care about them I would recommend you stop your arrogant and non-contributing posts as Stuarts suggested.

[Joyrider]

But the fact is, that if the refs had wistled half the fouls the Greeks were committing in every Spanish attack, they would have been crushed in the usual way.

My best wishes for Spain to remain at -0- trophys.

[greek-legacy]

God will not let Spain to take the trophy.Russia will take it.With immoral tactics, with dirty way of playing, you will never claim yourself champion.
So I see Russia tonight.Because God will help them.Go Russia;)

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

If we leave the refs and the morals aside I think that Russia today has a chance only if AK pulls a performance similar to yesterday's. This however is an unlikely feat. The spaniards will take today's game in a much more focused manner due to the hard semi they had (if the had walked over Greece in the semi they may had arrived more carelessly in the final). I expect a +10 win for Spain. I just hope that there would be no theatrics today from either team and that we see a great game, worthy of a Eurobasket final.


PS: Is it true that one of the refs will be greek? :D

[BlackAdder]

If we leave the refs and the morals aside I think that Russia today has a chance only if AK pulls a performance similar to yesterday's. This however is an unlikely feat. The spaniards will take today's game in a much more focused manner due to the hard semi they had (if the had walked over Greece in the semi they may had arrived more carelessly in the final). I expect a +10 win for Spain. I just hope that there would be no theatrics today from either team and that we see a great game, worthy of a Eurobasket final.


PS: Is it true that one of the refs will be greek? :D

Somehow I have a premonition that a game will be decided not by the major aces in each time. And, looking objectively, I see more candidates to contribute in the Spanish team. We'll see. It will be probably the first time I will root for Russia. And it is not my problems with some ESP players attitudes that helped to balance our traditional animosity towards Russian NT. It's just that I cannot help but love the way they play, utilizing every slightest advantage and masking every slightest shortcoming.

[Mocho]

God will not let Spain to take the trophy.Russia will take it.With immoral tactics, with dirty way of playing, you will never claim yourself champion.
So I see Russia tonight.Because God will help them.Go Russia;)

God doesn't exist...

And we are champions yet...world champions...

Really...i can't believe that comment talking about god and calling us inmorals and dirty players...and it comes from the Greeks!!!

I have nothing to say...i think that it's the price to be the champion...have to listen a lot of silly things about our game style...

[greek-legacy]

you got banned from some other thread and got a warning there... keep it up, banned from thread no.2

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

Is the third game between us first in the final of mundobasket and twice here in the eurobasket...what do tou think about the others two matchs?
;)

I don't think anyone complained about the previous two matches. Not a single word.

Anyway, this is the final's thread. Another thing I am wondering about is why did FIBA let the QFs (well, some of them), SFs and finals to take place in consecutive days. That brings the quality of the game down. Were time limits that much of an issue?

[estanis]

You are something else. I will support the spanish team tonight in the final, but even if they loose I will not be that sad knowing that you would have shutted up. But I think that this won't happen anyway. I think that all you do here is loosing more respect for the spanish team with your arrogance. It is a shame for spanish people. If you care about them I would recommend you stop your arrogant and non-contributing posts as Stuarts suggested.



....thank you for your support, it is very kind of you ,we really need it.
Come on Spain give us glory one more time....I think this final is going to be similar to the last year .......hopefully .

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

....thank you for your support, it is very kind of you ,we really need it.
Come on Spain give us glory one more time....I think this final is going to be similar to the last year .......hopefully .


You gotta be a spanish-hater. I cannot explain it otherwise. I am sure that what you really need is NaF's support in the final. That would be surely appreciated...

[T.W.Is.M.]

Is Luigi officiating tonight???

[Jan van Grabski]

You gotta be a spanish-hater. I cannot explain it otherwise. I am sure that what you really need is NaF's support in the final. That would be surely appreciated...


LOL. I would be happy to help, but i am cheering for Greece tonight. On the second thought spanish OVERCONFIDENCE might have some ill effect, but i dont think that will influence the result of the game. :)


Is Luigi officiating tonight???

i was wondering the same question ? Let's see in which game he is going to be.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Is Luigi officiating tonight???
no worries TWIsM :)
he officiated Slovenia - France today... and I can't convience myself in the opposite of his family being exiled from Istra after the ww2 and somehow dislikes all that comes from either Slovenia or Croatia.

[IceMan]

I joined IBN only recently cause I found here quite a lot of interesting threads and people who know about basketball and love the game

.. But now the level of the content has start getting quite sad ...

My consolation is that mostly junior members with <100 postings seem not to have a clue abt the game and act childish as "super fans".. Senior members try to mentain a good level... I will let the fuss to calm down and start reading after EC hoping that "FANS" will dissappear and the more serious lads will have something more interesting to say--

BTW.. I used to respect the Spanish team but my opinion gets worse and worse over the last days, starting from their game against Germany, and some of the comments of some Spanish "fans" in IBN haven't helped at all
BTW2.. Wish I hadn't heart my knee so that I'd be on a basketball court this afternoon! The weather is perfect for basketball here in Athens... and on the court is where the spirit of game is!!

[T.W.Is.M.]

no worries TWIsM :)
he officiated Slovenia - France today... and I can't convience myself in the opposite of his family being exiled from Istra after the ww2 and somehow dislikes all that comes from either Slovenia or Croatia.

nice!!!may I wish 4 a greek ref then?as someone else already mentioned, Larry Voreadis would b idea 4 the job:p he could even start a conversation with the fans!!!:D

[DrGonzo]

yeah sure ..you just watch us getting gold tonight and learn ...learn my friend.
"
Learn? Learn what man? We already got 2 of what you MAY have tonight.

[estanis]

I joined IBN only recently cause I found here quite a lot of interesting threads and people who know about basketball and love the game

.. But now the level of the content has start getting quite sad ...

My consolation is that mostly junior members with <100 postings seem not to have a clue abt the game and act childish as "super fans".. Senior members try to mentain a good level... I will let the fuss to calm down and start reading after EC hoping that "FANS" will dissappear and the more serious lads will have something more interesting to say--

BTW.. I used to respect the Spanish team but my opinion gets worse and worse over the last days, starting from their game against Germany, and some of the comments of some Spanish "fans" in IBN haven't helped at all
BTW2.. Wish I hadn't heart my knee so that I'd be on a basketball court this afternoon! The weather is perfect for basketball here in Athens... and on the court is where the spirit of game is!!


BAN. I had enough. NAF.

[T.W.Is.M.]

nice!!!may I wish 4 a greek ref then?as someone else already mentioned, Larry Voreadis would b idea 4 the job:p he could even start a conversation with the fans!!!:D

I just read that Voreadis will not b there, but Zavlanos will.Let's c if he can withstand the pressure of such a big game...;)

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

I just read that Voreadis will not b there, but Zavlanos will.Let's c if he can withstand the pressure of such a big game...;)

They should have brought Pitsilkas. He knows well how to determine the result of an international final :D

[Wide]

Personally I'll be cheering for Russia, even if we lost to them today. At least they were playing fair and didn't act on every possesion.... Well I know it's part of basketball, but what's too much is terrible

[T.W.Is.M.]

They should have brought Pitsilkas. He knows well how to determine the result of an international final :D

Carefully as u put it, that is correct.Pitsilkas is really a good referee in general.Therefore, a big mistake from him is suspicious!But Pitsilkas couldn't b in the final because he "betrayed" FIBA in favour of their "arch-enemies", ULEB...

[DrGonzo]

I just saw it in the news.Spain beat Russia 3-2 in the final Eurovolley...in Russia!!
Who knows what will happen in the basketball final according to chaos theory?:confused:

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Spain win today in European Volleyball Championship with Russia 3-2 (in Russia) .... so I quess that in Spain must win Russia :D

[T.W.Is.M.]

Do you mean like the respect that you show with you signature??:rolleyes:

Actually I thought about that signature when the rumors about Real Madrid and Jasikevicius came up!The Calderon I had in mind was the Real Madrid chairman!Coincidentally, your PG has the same surname and in the Spain-Greece game an incident happened that could motivate me 2 use it!
Also have in mind that I don't speak Spanish, so I don't know the spanish words 4 "actor" or "diver".They could b useful as well...

[Kleber]

Spain win today in European Volleyball Championship with Russia 3-2 (in Russia) .... so I quess that in Spain must win Russia :D

Just sad,it might end 2-0 for spain.:(

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Just sad,it might end 2-0 for spain.:(

Russia want revange - I quess that they know result from volleyball so they want beat Spain :)

Btw: do you believe what will be tommorow in Spanish newspaper when Spanish NT will have gold in volley and basketball :D ???

[achinet]

Actually I thought about that signature when the rumors about Real Madrid and Jasikevicius came up!The Calderon I had in mind was the Real Madrid chairman!Coincidentally, your PG has the same surname and in the Spain-Greece game an incident happened that could motivate me 2 use it!
Also have in mind that I don't speak Spanish, so I don't know the spanish words 4 "actor" or "diver".They could b useful as well...

ok;) (Note: actor in spanish is the same, actor)

[achinet]

Russia want revange - I quess that they know result from volleyball so they want beat Spain :)

Btw: do you believe what will be tommorow in Spanish newspaper when Spanish NT will have gold in volley and basketball :D ???

Yes, im sure they are going to write, "Futbol Real Madrid won again", and in one small corner of the newspaper "Spain won the gold in basket" and in one corner of the last pages of the suplement "Spain won the gold in thomething called volley":p .

[T.W.Is.M.]

Yes, im sure they are going to write, "Futbol Real Madrid won again", and in one small corner of the newspaper "Spain won the gold in basket" and in one corner of the last pages of the suplement "Spain won the gold in thomething called volley":p .

Will the bball news have more space than the segunda division results of Murcia and Alaves?
Imagine what space will the newspapers give 2 bball if Spain loses the gold...:rolleyes:

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Yes, im sure they are going to write, "Futbol Real Madrid won again", and in one small corner of the newspaper "Spain won the gold in basket" and in one corner of the last pages of the suplement "Spain won the gold in thomething called volley":p .

:eek: :confused: Do they think that peoples didint watch and live with sport success :confused: I think that if Poland newspaper after success like this will write special sites or magazines ...

I cannot believe that newspaper like Marca or El Mundo will write nothing about this success :eek:

[PHILIPeurobasket]

10 minutes and all fans on Wolrd watch this great game :)

[achinet]

:eek: :confused: Do they think that peoples didint watch and live with sport success :confused: I think that if Poland newspaper after success like this will write special sites or magazines ...

I cannot believe that newspaper like Marca or El Mundo will write nothing about this success :eek:

I exageratted a little, but be sure that in yours countries it would be greater. Socer take all the space of media. One exaple, this Lithuania - Grece was not given by tv, only by internet, that is a shame, and indicates that.

[PHILIPeurobasket]

I exageratted a little, but be sure that in yours countries it would be greater. Socer take all the space of media. One exaple, this Lithuania - Grece was not given by tv, only by internet, that is a shame, and indicates that.

WOW :eek: I cannot believe ... I think that peoples live with sports like Basketball or Volleyball when his NT win gold medals!? So if for example Fernando Alonso won Formula1 race newspaper write nothing about that :confused: :eek:

[achinet]

WOW :eek: I cannot believe ... I think that peoples live with sports like Basketball or Volleyball when his NT win gold medals!? So if for example Fernando Alonso won Formula1 race newspaper write nothing about that :confused: :eek:

Yes, they give space to Formula1, but no greater than the space of one mediocre 1st divission futbol team.

[PHILIPeurobasket]

Yes, they give space to Formula1, but no greater than the space of one mediocre 1st divission futbol team.

Ok thanks ... lets go and watch game :) 3 minutes and first ball in air :) !!!

I will comesback after game ... RUSSIA !!! :):):)

[rikhardur]

Amazing Kirilenko.

[achinet]

Not inside game from Spain. Too much 3 throws.

[goga78]

We've got a game again. Russia is within three. Spain is bombing the Russian basket with three-pointers, all of them free shots. Otherwise, good defense by Russia, especially by Samoylenko and Holden.

[rikhardur]

HT: Spain 34 Russia 31

Spain making just 3-pointers in the second period.

[achinet]

Good Defense above Gasol.

[Kleber]

Spain have 18 points form three points,Russia only 3.:(

Russian defense is doing a good job especialy on gasol but kirilenko have already 2 fouls.

Damn that 3 points percentage,this spannish team is beatable.

[basketcrazy]

if spain doesnt wake up they will be on trouble,they making many mistakes in attack and defence

[Wide]

It looks like theatre is ready to begin :)

Hey, seriously, great teams don't play this way

[sashikas]

they are doing it again - calderon falls after samoilenko's run in the fast break and the latter one gets an offensive foul; jimenez dives while rebounding and kirilenko gets the fourth foul...

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

they are doing it again - calderon falls after samoilenko's run in the fast break and the latter one gets an offensive foul; jimenez dives while rebounding and kirilenko gets the fourth foul...


And the fouls are 9-19 so far. A lot depends on how long Blatt keeps Kirilanko out of the game now.

[achinet]

3 silly faults for Kirilenko

[Afraid]

circus will win, because performance is held in their tent..:D

[Wide]

I hate that stupid diving.. It's there, even where's no ball!

[rikhardur]

Spain 49 Russia 51
Russia leading for the first time.

[Markoishvili]

Man, Khryapa is such a wondeful player. He can switch to defend anyone, he rebounds, blocks, has great court vision, is big, can make shots. A real workhouse. If Russians win this, he is right there with Kirilenko as most valueble player.

[Wide]

OH MY GOD! They're even buying this in the final!! Fantomous offensive foul on Aleksey!

I like how fans of Greece and Lithuania are cheering for Russia in the arena btw

[KWSN-Men]

provocation... warning no.1

[KWSN-Men]

OH MY GOD! They're even buying this in the final!! Fantomous offensive foul on Aleksey!

I like how fans of Greece and Lithuania are cheering for Russia in the arena btw

When people see something not right, when they have nothing to gain from this, they protest against this.

And somebody can say Greeks are chearing for the Russians because they lost yesterday. But what about the Lithuanians?

[Wide]

When people see something not right, when they have nothing to gain from this, they protest against this.

And somebody can say Greeks are chearing for the Russians because they lost yesterday. But what about the Lithuanians?

Exactly, I don't recall myself cheering for Russia ever! I just hope Russia can win this one. I like how Ponkrashov plays btw.. Future of Russia. Let's hope Russia can hold on

[sashikas]

When people see something not right, when they have nothing to gain from this, they protest against this.

And somebody can say Greeks are chearing for the Russians because they lost yesterday. But what about the Lithuanians?
Neverminding all the political stuff, lithuanians and russians have a lot in common. we know the language, we know the culture. moreover the incident with spanish police and lithuanian flag didn't improve the spanish image in the eye of a regular lithuanian fan.

[wardjdim]

That's all...

Russia just can't score. 5 straight possessions. Khryapa's 5th foul and the back-to-back 1/2 FTs for Gasol are exactly the identity of this final.

[achinet]

what a hard game. Bad in porcentage both sides.

[sashikas]

Gasol's FT shooting reminds me of a EC final four years ago.

[achinet]

Gasol's FT shooting reminds me of a EC final four years ago.

Yes, worst game for Spain in all the championship.

[softice]

Heart breaking game!

[Wide]

Yesss! Yesssssss! I Love You Russia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sashikas]

Holden brings the lead back to Russia with 2 seconds left :)

[Marius123]

Holden gives a lead to Russia, leaving Spain with only 2 seconds for the last attack! Oh my...

[Juan Carlos Nadal]

Rudy will do it with an alley-oop tap in just like he did in Malaga.

Wait. Is it 2 seconds or 10 seconds? The online score netcasting is not sure about it.

[sashikas]

Russia wins it!

[gravity]

I'll really like David Blatt in Efes Pilsen :D :D

Congrats to Russians!

[softice]

Congrats Russia.

[achinet]

RUSSIA WON, wat a final. Wow Holden. Bad game in ofence by Gasol.:(

[stuart]

Congratulations to Russia.

Stuart

[rikhardur]

Russia wins!!! Congratulations!!! \o/

[obe31]

What a game...the Russians have.....Kahonas...jesus..
Very good game in terms of pressure and tension

[DrGonzo]

Spain. Never. So...spanish...

[sprewell]

Hell Yeah Russia Are The European Champions!!!

[achinet]

I think bad coached by Pepu.

[reignman]

Yeha!!! For Mother Russian! Against All The Odds! Yeah Holden Was A Beast In That Last Shot.
:d

[FRANKY 13]

kirilenko MVP for sure. Huge holden, best pg of the tournament.
I m really glad for russia. They really deserved it.

[AssAsin]

Cocktail of the year:BLACK RUSSİAN
What an orgasmic and unbelievable win!
One of the biggest surprises in European basketball history ever!!

[Trifilli]

Congrats to Russia :D Too bad that I couldn't see the last two games of Eurobasket, especially the final must've been big. And too bad that Gasol didn't choke like that yesterday :rolleyes:

Afterall Russia stopped Spain, I don't think that many people expected that before the EC. Once again, congrats to the new European Champion and now best european team, Russia! :)

[achinet]

Kirilenko MVP. That easy now.

[ballinette]

Full congratulations to Russians !!!

[Wide]

Congrats Russia~!

I'm so happy here's at least some justice! Russia didn't won only for themselves, they also won for Greece and Lithuania and the rest of Europe!

Justice prevail!

[Markoishvili]

Congrats!!!

Holden is a hero. He was clutch in all three knockout games.

On the other end Gasol is a tragic figure - missed that last shot, Holden stole him the ball. 3/12 FG, missed 7 free-throws.

[kecal]

I love Kirilenko!:D MVP of the tournament, without much competition, IMO...
and David Blatt, that was probably only his first big statement as one of the greats, but not the last...
on the day like this I feel it even possible to cheer for Russia... miracle? :)

[fran]

That hurt!!!

[obe31]

Congrats to the new European Champions. Great for european basketball that Russia is back in the game.

[septynix]

Spaniards could make hell alot of silverware from their medals. Congrats Russia :).

[DanMajerle]

Big congratulations to Russia, you really deserved this win, great tournament. Just a bit of a pity that an american decided an eurobasket tournament.

[DrGonzo]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).

Jesus we rule basketball.:D....Come on all at once LETS HAIL THE CHAMPIONS.
Spain 50 - Russia 60
Hail this!

[chrsv7]

Yesss! Congrats Russia!

[reignman]

On the other end Gasol is a tragic figure - missed that last shot, Holden stole him the ball. 3/12 FG, missed 7 free-throws.


+ he flopped in his last shot to get a non existing foul :( i am sorry mr gasol THIS IS THE END. :o

[Agapao_to_pexnithi]

Congrats Russia great game!!! The right team won this game.

[sashikas]

The look on Gasol's face looks familiar... The only difference is beard.

[saras7]

congratulations to russia.spain never take tha eurobasket

[DrGonzo]

.....wow just a couple of hours away till spain enter in the records book being the first country to win the world championship and the eurobasket the following year(URRS and Yuguslavia are no countries anymore).

Jesus we rule basketball.:D....Come on all at once LETS HAIL THE CHAMPIONS.
Spain 59 - Russia 60
Hail this!

[Kleber]

hOLDEN!!!!!!!!!

i can not believe russia won the game

Well is volley for spain,basket for russia!:D

[Remon]

I don't have a lot of patience for baiting Spanish members here. If you have a comment you'd like to discuss about the game, then by all means, do that. If not, pay your respect to Russia and condolences to Spain in a classy manner. -Stuart

[gravity]

Deserved championship by Russia. They show their game skills on ground not their theatre skills like spanish players.

Congratilations again.

[rikhardur]

Spain 59 Russia 60
(José Calderón 15 pts (5/7 3pt), Pau Gasol 14 pts + 14 rebs + 3 blocks, Jorge Garbajosa 8 pts + 6 rebs | Andrei Kirilenko 17 pts + 5 rebs, Alexei Savrasenko 10 pts, Viktor Khryapa 7 pts + 12 rebs + 3 steals)

Holden the heroe of the game, I'm sure he'll remember that shot for a very long time :) Same goes for Gasol unfortunatey (also the awful amount of FTs he missed).

[T.W.Is.M.]

What a match!!!J.R. stole the ball, J.R. made the winning shot, but Blatt was the man of match in the way he trapped Spain and forced the game 2 his team's preferred tempo.
I hope some big mouths r shut or rationalized now.If not, they can attend the Academy Awards.:D

[Pinone]

congratulations to russia! they are just champions! I'm really proud of spanish players and still believe they are the best!

Now, Im prepared to read all the posts from greek fans! :D

[Reflex]

:confused: I am really confused that Russia won...:eek:
But anyway congrats to new king of Europe:D

[elaj]

What a game, what a thriller! That's the beauty of basketball! :D

I expected Spaniards to dominate the game from first minute, but Kirilenko and co. had better plans! I have to say how glad I am that reffs didn't try to make Spaniards happy and did correct job today in finals! :D

JR Holden had the balls to take that last shot, Russians were luckier in last seconds of the game, Gasol almost made that last shot, but still Russia deserved the victory because all of them fought like lions!

Congrats to Russian also Spanish, both showed us an amazing matchup!

Amazing finale of European Championship! :cool:

[parso]

Spaniards could make hell alot of silverware from their medals. Congrats Russia :).

Great joke:D

[saras7]

baiting... warning no.1
Matiz

[achinet]

The Russian defense was really great.

By the way in the last shot it was Rudy alone under the basket. It would be better an ally-upp.

[Toxicity]

MOTHER RUSSIA!!! :eek: :D

[rikhardur]

Kirilenko the MVP and Blatt the best coach of the championship. It's crystal clear now.

[reignman]

WTF? who is the guy that is deleting my comments?

I am, get used to it. -Stuart
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[woma]

What a crazy day. I don't know what is the biggest surprise - Spain winning volleyball EC beating Russia in Moscow, or Russia winning basketball NT beating Spain in Madrid. But for sure it's crazy.

Big congratulations for Russia/USA mix :) . Big respect for coach David Blatt who did impossible, with not so very powerful roster. And J.R Holden's shot reminds famous Allan Houston shot in Knicks vs Heat play-off series a few years ago. Incredible.

Russia wins EC with american coach on the bench and american PG. Isn't the end of the world? :)

[achinet]

What a crazy day. I don't know what is the biggest surprise - Spain winning volleyball EC beating Russia in Moscow, or Russia winning basketball NT beating Spain in Madrid. But for sure it's crazy.

Jajajajaj i was thinking the same. But Russia played an intelligent game.

[obe31]

I liked that the Spanish crowd clapped and showed respect to the Russians...Bravo.

[achinet]

the only one

It's a hard defeat. I think we now have 6 silver, 0 golds in EC :(. It was now or never. (and was never)

[Reflex]

That how it happens... After a group matches Spain and Lithuania was already argueing about the final and guesing who will be the winner this Year, but as we see Russia made a surprise.. Firstly beating Lithuania and after that doing the same with Spain.
Yesterday I could not believe that we lost to Russia and now Spanish players are thinking what they did wrong.. And those expresions. That really hurts for them..

[Marius123]

How much vodka will Holden drink tonight? :D

I have no doubts about other guys from the team, but poor J.R. could be for a difficult ride. :D

[T.W.Is.M.]

I m spanish and i have posted 5 after the end of the game.;)

I have 2 distinguish u from the rest of the spanish posters.at least most of them.I admit u weren't provocative at all and u just commented on the games and some other users' comments.u were an exception before the game because u avoided big words.

[saras7]

banned from thread
Matiz

[Pinone]

the only one
No, I posted as well, and I said that russia has been a fair champion.

And now, start to insult and laugh, dear friends.

[septynix]

How much vodka will Holden drink tonight? :D
Till he's able to speak russian fluently ;).

[achinet]

Don't you think that the game was fine in defense but horrible in offense?

[obe31]

It's a hard defeat. I think we now have 6 silver, 0 golds in EC :(. It was now or never. (and was never)
Man why never? Spain is a great team. Next year olympics! Just tell some of the spanish players to get their Flippers and snorkels at their preparation! lol! Just joking. I could not help it.
Spain is a great team and a serious candidate for Gold next year.

[parso]

I liked that the Spanish crowd clapped and showed respect to the Russians...Bravo.

Yeah that was classy... Russia deserved the respect... what a team and what an achievement. I had to watch the last couple of minutes standing up.
And lets not forget Spain they are still the team to beat and this speaks volumes for the team they are...

[Toxicity]

LOL @ the greek fans "happy" for the Russia win... :D

BTW Calderon should have played more in the 4th quarter... Pepu Hernandez has some faults for this loss (and so has Gasol for that FT %)...

[achinet]

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Yes, uf, but after all an silver against that Russia is not so bad.

[obe31]

No, I posted as well, and I said that russia has been a fair champion.

And now, start to insult and laugh, dear friends. Not all..some... What happend happend. Great Eurobasket great games. Loved it!

[KWSN-Men]

Absolutely nothing of worth -Stuart

[Arik]

Congrats Russia! :D Pozdravlyau s pobedoi! :p

[wardjdim]

It's a fantastic feeling in what has been the best Eurobasket I have ever watched (I have watched 11 so far). A-bloody-masing!!!

Russia beat Spain, Lithuania and Greece.

Navarro was nowhere. 7/35 2pt-fg. Horrible (like CSKA's 11/28 fts 2 years ago against Tau in Euroleague semi-final)!!!

Russian defense has been amazing, dominant, brilliant. Congrats to Blatt, who finally took advantage of the 2003 generation talent. AK has been a fair and square MVP. Excellent moment for both of them in a really crucial summer. Khryapa was also amazing. Holden was key. I will respect him more after this HUGE shot. Ponkrashov was really big, stepping up in such a huge game. He is their next key guy, along with Aleksey Shved, for future tournaments. Savrasenko, also in an excellent game, his last international one. They will be needing more bigs like him (or even better ;)) in the future tournaments.

And, as much as I am disappointed for Greece's fair and square loss to Lithuania and the fact that they will be playing in the pre-Olympic tournament, I will have to respect the fact that after 2002 and the game between Yugoslavia and Argentina, we finally had the chance to watch a big derby in an International final...

Good luck next year in China... To all European teams. They will be even more motivated.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Mother Russia all the way! What a game! A future classic in all of it's defensive uglyness.
Agreed with Markoishvilli on Hryapa, he was doing miracles no matter on who he was covering...

considering all the sterotypes about slovenian mentality I've read in spanish headlines I am really tempted to make a comment about something, but I won't... I guess now you know how does it feel...

congrats to Russia, I admit my huge mistake in my pre-tournament evaluations...
I'll drink a bottle of vodka on your behalf...

[sprewell]

Congratulations Russia:D :D :D

[obe31]

Yeah that was classy... Russia deserved the respect... what a team and what an achievement. I had to watch the last couple of minutes standing up.
And lets not forget Spain they are still the team to beat and this speaks volumes for the team they are...
A great example for some Balkan countries. Respect to them. I was surprised..imagine believing 100% that your team is going to be the winner, leading the game for most of the time and suddently you lose...and still they clapped. That is class..

[achinet]

By the way, If any of you have bet by Russia at the beginning of the championship will be a rich man. Will you pay us a Dinner?

[T.W.Is.M.]

Don't you think that the game was fine in defense but horrible in offense?
It was.And think that we were accusing Greece of playing ugly bball...

@Pinone:Sure, we laugh because most of the Spanish guys here were too sure and using big words.But we don't mean 2 insult.U were the big favorites, u were playing at home, using every means 2 get the win and still u lost!

[starks]

Congrats Russia, well deserved victory.

Great job in the tournament Spain. You still have a great team for the following years.

[Stardusted]

Congratulations to Russia, the European Champions of 2007. Well deserved. :D

Congratulations to Spain for the silver medal as well... oh well, actually no. But congratulations to Russia is still true.

EDIT : Clarification needed, does loosing the game playing awful basketball in your homeland after practically almost celebrated the golden medal a day before, qualifies your NT as loosers ? I'm only mentioning it since you spanish fans seemed so happy to call others "loosers". So how do you call your NT now ? Winners ?

[obe31]

By the way, If any of you have bet by Russia at the beginning of the championship will be a rich man. Will you pay us a Dinner?
Man i wish i had! lol what would the odds on that?

[DrGonzo]

And now, all of you greeks, start to insult and laugh, dear friends.
Generalisation, my friend its a very dangerous thing. No insults are needed by anyone!!! Not even, for some very ''talkative''Spaniards who predicted an easy win with typical Spanish flair and bravado, before the final. I admire their guts, but it was a gamble it didnt pay off. Now they will suffer the consequences.:cool: Nothing much really, just a few,well intended laughs just for the fun of it!!!;)

[Genjuro]

Congratulations to Russia. Great game and impressive defense by them.

David Blatt is my personal MVP. Incredible job building this team.

Spain... back to our past phatoms? I think we chocked again. Not to win this championship is a big failure in my opinion. This was the right time. In 2009, I'm not sure everybody will be back, especially Pau Gasol.

[achinet]

I'm a little bit worried about Sergio Rodríguez (he is from Teneriffe too) I hope he will get up.

[C-ka]

Respect to Russia, I favored them over Spain, and still they actually didn't deserve it IMHO, sooo lucky.

Simply it's hard for me to honestly call them the best team in Europe, because it's not.

And a nice kick to Spain's ass finally.:rolleyes: :D

[achinet]

In 2009, I'm not sure everybody will be back, especially Pau Gasol.

I think he will be there. He will want to get even. (good in English?)

[Afraid]

What a crazy day. I don't know what is the biggest surprise - Spain winning volleyball EC beating Russia in Moscow, or Russia winning basketball NT beating Spain in Madrid. But for sure it's crazy.

Big congratulations for Russia/USA mix :) . Big respect for coach David Blatt who did impossible, with not so very powerful roster. And J.R Holden's shot reminds famous Allan Houston shot in Knicks vs Heat play-off series a few years ago. Incredible.

Russia wins EC with american coach on the bench and american PG. Isn't the end of the world? :)

blatt is american born, but hes not american

[sprewell]

I'm not sure everybody will be back, especially Pau Gasol.

I think that Pau will leave Spanish NT after Olympics.

[wardjdim]

Spain... back to our past phatoms?
Oh, they had so never left you, man.

Calderon missed 1 of 2, after an Argentinean comeback last year. You were just lucky that Ginobili had this awfully executed and totally selfish last play, or you would have lost the semi...

[kecal]

I think Russia deserved this victory, come on, they have lost only once, against that same Spain, but not in the final when it really counts... superb showing...

P.S. (and a bit of OT): I guess the only thing I hated about this Russian victory was their hymne at the end... Putin, be damned for this...:rolleyes:

[T.W.Is.M.]

Congratulations to Russia. Great game and impressive defense by them.

David Blatt is my personal MVP. Incredible job building this team.

Spain... back to our past phatoms? I think we chocked again. Not to win this championship is a big failure in my opinion. This was the right time. In 2009, I'm not sure everybody will be back, especially Pau Gasol.

I heard yesterday during the broadcasting of Spain-Greece that Gasol will retire from the NT after the Beijing Olympics.Is it true or just a rumor?Or the greek broadcasters made that up?

[achinet]

I think that Pau will leave Spanish NT after Olympics.

It depends on if the Grizzliez do anything in the next years. If they loose, gasol are going to join Spanish NT.

[obe31]

Respect to Russia, I favored them over Spain, and still they actually didn't deserve it IMHO, sooo lucky.

Simply it's hard for me to honestly call them the best team in Europe, because it's not.

And a nice kick to Spain's ass finally.:rolleyes: :D
Why not? They beat Greece, Lithuania and spain. I think justly they are the European Champions 2007

[ballinette]

7
Russia beat Spain, Lithuania and Greece.


and France...
Yes, I know French weren't good this year, but they were anyway one of the 4 main favorites before the beginnning of the tournament. And it is interesting to notice that Russians won the championship beating all of the 4 main favorites (Greece in first round, France in quarter-final, Lithuania in semi-final and Spain in final).
And they also won against all the team they played (their only loose is against Spain in the second round, but they took their revenge tonight).

So they really deserve this (not so) surprising title ;)

[stuart]

blatt is american born, but hes not american

I think he meant JR Holden.

Stuart

[Javiky]

Congrats Russia.

great victory, great players, great team, great coach...........A GREAT TEAM

deserved winner of Eurobasket 2007

definitively Russians back,good news for all

[sprewell]

I think he will be there. He will want to get even. (good in English?)

I saw an article somewhere saying that he will leave NT after Olympics.

[achinet]

Another thought, Don't you thing that this EC is one of the moust even one?.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

P.S. (and a bit of OT): I guess the only thing I hated about this Russian victory was their hymne at the end... Putin, be damned for this...:rolleyes:
their anthem sounds great in my opinion... absolutely hate the lyrics though :rolleyes:

[obe31]

Another thought, Don't you thing that this EC is one of the moust even one?.
Indeed. Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, Lithuania, Russia, Spain, France. Any one of these teams could have won it.

[Pinone]

Congratulations to Russia. Great game and impressive defense by them.

David Blatt is my personal MVP. Incredible job building this team.

Spain... back to our past phatoms? I think we chocked again. Not to win this championship is a big failure in my opinion. This was the right time. In 2009, I'm not sure everybody will be back, especially Pau Gasol.

Genjuro, my friend, don't forget that Ricky Rubio and Victor Claver are coming, hehehehehe. And more:
Rudy is 22
Calderón is 26
Felipe is 27
Sergio is 21
Pau Gasol is 27
Marc Gasol is 22
Fran Vazquez is 24
We have a long way to walk, my friend, hehehehe:D

[kecal]

their anthem sounds great in my opinion... absolutely hate the lyrics though :rolleyes:

it's the Sowiet hymne in disguise, that's why... some things never change, really...

[Afraid]

I think he meant JR Holden.

Stuart

he meant both, read his post again

[sashikas]

I think he meant JR Holden.

Stuart
They both are americans. Yesterday Blatt after the semifinal game talked about his feelings, and he described himself as a "modest guy from Massachusetts"

[sprewell]

It depends on if the Grizzliez do anything in the next years. If they loose, gasol are going to join Spanish NT.


That sounds more logical to me. Afterall now he has extra motivation to do that.

[Afraid]

They both are americans. Yesterday Blatt after the semifinal game talked about his feelings, and he described himself as a "modest guy from Massachusetts"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatt

[Arik]

Simply it's hard for me to honestly call them the best team in Europe, because it's not.

No "lucky", because it sports and not gambling! Russian NT is the Champions and the best team in Eurobasket today. They won your team and Spain in fair game so they deserve the title!

[Hovd3n]

it's the Sowiet hymne in disguise, that's why... some things never change, really...
different words, you know!!!

[Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!!]

man, did we play bad today! Not the best day to start doing so, jeje. But hey, there is an Eurobasket almost every year so we will surely have another chance some day. :D

Spain defeats Russia at the volleyball european championship final in Moscow, Russia beats Spain in the Eurobasket in Madrid... Strange things happen!

[achinet]

No "lucky", because it sports and not gambling! Russian NT is the Champions and the best team in Eurobasket today. They won your team and Spain in fair game so they deserve the title!

Yes, the one who win the gold is the best, don't look for strange things.

[ballinette]

Indeed. Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, Lithuania, Russia, Spain, France. Any one of these teams could have won it.

I agree, but it's not the first year it's the case.
Imho, we have 7 or 8 teams that could win the EC since 2003, and we'll have probably more in 2009 (Turkey ? Italy ? Serbia come back ?)

[achinet]

What is clair is that is more difficult to win an EC than an WC.

[Hovd3n]

No "lucky", because it sports and not gambling! Russian NT is the Champions and the best team in Eurobasket today. They won your team and Spain in fair game so they deserve the title!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
We are the best on that championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! !
no words, only emotions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[achinet]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
We are the best on that championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! !
no words, only emotions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

What is Kirilenko eating in your avatar??. I want a little:)

[Straight forward]

Congrats! :D

[Worrax]

Pozdravlyau...
Congrats...

[Hovd3n]

What is Kirilenko eating in your avatar??. I want a little:)
:) :) :) :) :)

I`m happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[.UA]

The big respect to all team and And especially to David Blatt.

Thank you very much.

[Hovd3n]

Pozdravlyau...
Congrats...
pasiba!!!:D :D :D

THX!!!!!:) :) :)