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10-16-2007, 07:04 PM
- Euroleague Basketball, back and stronger than ever -

The new Euroleague season starts on October 22nd 2007 with the Final Four taking place in Madrid (Spain) on May 02-04. 2008. For the first time in European basketball history, several teams were able to offer to players $8-figure contracts making the Euroleague basketball a step-closer to the NBA level.

The Euroleague is contested in four phases. In the first phase (Regular season) 24 teams are divided into three groups of eight. At the end of the regular season 16 teams (first 5 teams from each group and the best 6th team from all groups) progress into the second phase where four groups are contested in a double round-robin format.

The third phase (Quarterfinals) is the knockout round where best 2 teams from each group (first-placed team of one group against second-placed team of other group) square against each other. The Final Four 2008 in Madrid will feature the winners of the quarterfinals series.

GROUP A (CSKA Moscow, TAU Cerámica, Olympiacos, Prokom Trefl Sopot, Olimpija Ljubljana, Žalgiris Kaunas, Montepaschi Siena, La Fortezza Bologna):
The group includes 3 strong pretenders for the Final Four (CSKA, TAU, Olympiacos), also 2 favorites for the Euroleague title (CSKA, Olympiacos). The Italian clubs Montepaschi (Italian champion) and La Fortezza Bologna may not have the same ambitions but are favorites to clinch the remaining 2 spots in the group that lead to the next round.

CSKA MOSCOW, current Russian Superleague Champion, with one of the highest budgets in Europe is targeting the same goal they had for the past several years, to win the Euroleague. In 2002 CSKA signed Dusan Ivkovic, the coach with plenty of national team and club titles, hoping for CSKA to win its first Euroleague title.

Ivkovic stayed with the club until 2005 with no luck of reaching that goal. His successor Ettore Messina joined the club in 2006 and won the Euroleague in his first season. Last season CSKA lost to Panathanaikos in the Athens final by a close margin. Anything other than reaching the Final Four in Madrid would be a failure for CSKA's Euroleague 2007/08 season.

Major players to leave the club past summer include Tomas Van den Spiegel, the 214cm center who left for Prokom (Poland), Oscar Torres averaged 8.7 points/23 minutes per game, now signed with Fortitudo Bologna (Italy). David Vanterpool the 34 year old guard may or may not stay at CSKA, he missed most of the last season due to injury problems.

The new-comers are Ramunas Siskauskas (small forward/shooting guard), one of Panathinaikos' main players last season helping them to win the Euroleague and Greek domestic championship titles, Marcus Goree (power forward/center) last seasons' Benetton Treviso's main player, Nikos Zisis (point guard/shooting guard) also coming from Treviso where he averaged 11 points/33 minutes per game.

The team includes Papaloukas (point guard), Euroleague 2006/07 player of the year, Euroleague 2006/07 guard of the year, J.R.Holden (point guard), established Euroleague player, play-maker for the Russian national team, and other highly experienced Euroleague clubs. CSKA's team is well experiences, has been playing together for several years and has what it takes to win the Title.

Coach Ettore Messina is known for his team's strong performance in defensive playing. During Euroleague's regular season 2006/07 through the course of 14 games CSKA was the team with best defense allowing opponents to make 65 points per game.
Messina asks for the best performance from each player during entire 40mins of play regardless what the results is and what is the team CSKA plays against.

TAU CERAMICA as one of the big names in European basketball, representative of the Spanish ACB, is sure to offer quality, competitive games. This season TAU may not have the players of MVP award potential like Louis Scola was last season (signed for the NBA's Houston Rockets) but plenty of great team players capable of making it into the Euroleague's team of the week selection in any week. Rakocevic (point guard) is able of scoring 30 points in Euroleague games, Splitter (center) can dominate playing close to the basket.

The team includes established Euroleague and National team players such as Jasaitis (small forward), Prigioni, winner of the Olympic gold medal in 2004 with Argentina. Adding players like Singleton (power forward) who had experience of playing in the NBA, the Italian League 2005 All-star game MVP, Planinic, McDonald, TAU will perform one of the strongest team plays in Euroleague, the thing needed to beat any team in decisive games.

OLYMPIACOS was one of the strong favorites to lift the trophy last seasons mainly due the fact that the Final Four was held on their home ground in Athens, Pinhas Gershon (won consecutive Euroleague titles while with Maccabi) was assigned for the coach and Macijauskas (guard) was brought from the NBA to be the team's key-player. Maciauskas missed the seasons due to injury problems and, in all, Olympiacos did not seem to have had the team needed to win the title.

All that changed this season, only ambitions stayed the same. Macijauskas is in the full swing and Olympiacos formed a powerful team with one of the biggest budgets in Europe, multi-million dollar contracts were signed with Tsakalidis (center) a new-comer from the NBA's Houston Rockets, Lynn Greer (guard) from Milwaukee and Marc Jackson (forward/center) 2000/01 NBA All-rookie team member while playing for the Golden State with 8 per points 4 rebounds per game during seven NBA seasons. MONTEPASCHI's notable players make Kaukenas (shooting guard) and Lavrinovic (center), both of them spent most of their Euro-games minutes playing in the ULEB cup and may not be the driving force needed to win games against top Euroleague teams.

Most of the time they will be double by opponents team defense and there's not enough support in other Montepaschi's players. Strong defensive teams like CSKA may allow Montepashi to score no more than 65 points just by playing good defense on those two players.

LA FORTEZZA BOLOGNA, through history the giant of European basketball winning the Euroleague titles in 1997 and 2001, is still recovering from the recent years downfall that saw them competing in the Italian second league. Bologna is expected to have a solid season, make it to the Euroleague next year through Italian championship and be among Euroleague title contenders in the upcoming seasons.

Bologna's top players like Ciacig (center) and Garri (center) have been around for some time, they can make solid performances, good enough to beat teams of similar quality such as Montepaschi or Prokom, it needs stellar performance and an additional extra player on the squad that Bologna happens not to have at the moment to beat teams such as TAU or Olympiacos. 5 American players on the team are without notable NBA stats, mostly playing in the D-league.

This leaves PROKOM and ZALGIRIS competing with the Italian teams for the 4th and 5th place that lead to the next round. Polish basketball clubs did not have big Euro results in recent years, Prokom's participation as a Euroleague team for consecutive years is a success for itself. During that time, Prokom twice made it into the Top 16, the success they will look to equal this season.

Current roster includes Travis Best (point guard), averaged 7.6 points and 3.5 assists per game in the NBA teams, Wolkowkyski (power forward/center), winner of the gold medal at Olympics 2004 with Argentina, also the former NBA players (a year with Seattle and Boston), and the biggest summer signing, Milan Gurovic (small forward), top scorer of the ULEB cup 2006/07.

ZALGIRIS is Euroleague title winner in 1999 living on its old glory at the moment, core of the team is made of domestic players, along with this summer's biggest signing DeMarcus Brown, the 33 year old player with limited playing experience in the NBA and highly experienced in the Euroleague playing for top teams for over 7 seasons. Last season Zalgiris finished the regular season with 2-12 record, this season they hope to do better as more experienced team.

Olimpija does not offer the quality needed throughout 14 games of the regular season to reach the next round. Olimpija saw some of its best players leaving the club last season, the crowd at Olimpija's home-ground Tivoli knows to be rather silent, there may not be too many spectators attending the games if bigger Euroleague teams are not to guest. The city of Ljubljana does seem to be too enthusiastic about its basketball club opposite to many other Euroleague hosting cities. Olimpija seems to be the weakest team in the group.


Group B (Unicaja Málaga, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Efes Pilsen, Aris Thessaloniki, Cibona Zagreb, Le Mans, Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius, Armani Jeans Milano):
The only group not to feature a team favorite for winning the Euroleague title. This makes the group be without great gap in quality between the teams. Unicaja as the representative of Spanish ACB, Maccabi with huge results over the last several years are expected to be among top 5 in the group of 8. All other teams would consider it having a successful Euroleague season to reach the second round.

UNICAJA is one of the 4 representatives of Europe's best national league, Spanish ACB. Unicaja took everyone by surprised to reach the Final Four last season. The team kept most of its players, Jiri Welsh (small forward) a 27-year old player with 6.7 point per game average during his NBA carrier, Jimenez (small forward) very experienced European player, winner of the World Championship 2006 gold medal with Spain, Haislip (center) the 13th pick of the NBA draft 2002.

Unicaja could easily 'sneak in' into the Final Four this years as well, they finished last seasons' first round with a modest 7-7 record and progressed to the quarter finals by being better placed than mid-sized Euroleague clubs Benneton and Aris, in the quarter finals Unicaja defeated Barcelona 2-1 overall with the 3rd game playing on home-court.

Unicaja players are mentally strong and able to keep concentration on needed level in the decisive moments of the game. Unicaja may also be the team who can be swept off by a large margin of 20-or-so points difference playing against top Euro clubs such as CSKA or Madrid, and easily lose away games at lower ranked good home-court clubs where passionate crowd boost home-teams performance as it is with Efes in Istanbul and Aris in Thessaloniki.

MACCABI had its recent glory days by winning consecutive titles in 2004 (defeated Skipper Bologna by a margin of 44 points in the final game) and 2005 (TAU Ceramica by 12 points) and losing in the finals 2006. Maccabi dynasty ended in the summer 2006 when Anthony Parker and Maceo Baston left the club to join the NBA's Toronto Raptors. Coach Pinhas Gershon also left the club.

Last year they had modest 8-6 result during regular season and were relegated in the quarter finals by CSKA, the series ended 2-1 for CSKA with CSKA winning two games by a margin of 22 and 21 points. Maccabi's club budget among the highest in Europe at the start of the 3rd millennium stagnated while in the last 2-3 years the budgets of several other European teams drastically heighten. Maccabi's team did not change significantly from the last season, all-around player Vujcic (center), Sharp (shooting guard) and Bynem (point guard) are core of the team.

Highly talented Eliyahu (power forward) is expected to be a major factor in the team's playing. New additions on the team include experienced European player David Bluthenthal (center), Marcus Fizer (forward) who signed a two-year ($900.000 per year) contract, Fizer was selected with the fourth pick of the 2000 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls.

Maccabi is covered on all positions, the crowd at Nokia Arena (one of the bigger venues in Euroleague) will be loud as always. Maccabi is not the title contender as it may take a season for the new-comers to adapt to the team. Reaching beyond quarter finals would be a major success for Maccabi.

Efes Pilsen has got the imperatives of reaching more than first round being probably the most popular basketball club in Turkey, country with 70 million citizens where basketball has its place. Coach David Blatt won European Championship 2007 with Russia and is considered one of the best, if not the best, coaches in Europe at the moment.

The team consists of all domestic players without big names plus 5 American players without notable NBA career. Efes Pilsen games will have publicity, the crowd will cheer them passionately, the team will hope to equal the last season’s success when they reached the second round with 8-6 record during regular season.

ARIS THESSALONIKI, as all basketball teams in Greece, lives in the shadows of PAO and Olympiacos. Aris' supporters make the club's games unique, together with Partizan crowd in Belgrade Aris is recognized to have the loudest crowd in Europe, their home-ground Alexandreio Melathron with 4,800 seats capacity is not too big but each spectator is actively involved in cheering for the team, no team regardless of its quality can claim secured win in Thessaloniki.

Domestic players with the team are not of the same glory as those playing in PAO and Olympiacos, American players did not have notable careers in the NBA, two other foreign acquisitions include Lithuanian Serapinas (small forward) and the biggest star on the team experienced Euroleague and former NBA player with limited playing experience Finn Mottola (center).

CIBONA ZAGREB, may be one of the teams with the least of ambitions, imperatives and means to reach the second round. There may not be too many spectators involved at the 5,400 capacity arena if the giants of European basketball do not guest in the City. Their best player Kus left the club past summer, no big names were added on the team that last year ended Euroleague season being placed 7th in the group of 8 teams. Cibona will be targeting the group's 5th or 6th place in order to reach the second round.

LE MANS is one of the 2 French teams in this year's Euroleague, country that did not see its club posting major results in Euroleague in recent years. Last season Le Mans finished as the 7th team in group and did not progress into the second round. There are no big names on the team. Le Mans, along with Cibona, has probably the least of chances to make it into the second round.

Lietuvos Rytas are one of the 2 Lithuanian teams, rather small country (3.5 million) to give two Euroleague teams. Lietuvos lives in the shadows of Zalgiris, the famous Euroleague. Their home-ground Siemens Arena with the capacity of 11,000 built in 2004, is one the most modern and biggest Arenas in Euroleague. Club qualified for the Eurolegue by reaching the ULEB cup final.
There are no major, experienced Euroleague players on the team, their best player from last year Rush left the club. Lietuvos will be targeting the second round in the group where most teams are of similar quality.

Armani Milano is coming from the Italian Seria A that is considered one of Europe's top 2 national leagues. The team is a mixture of domestic players, among them the most prominent national team player Bulleri (point guard), several players are younger than 20 years of age, American players that did not have notable NBA careers. Coach Mavrevski will be gaining his Euroleague experience. Armani Milano will be looking to secure a place to the next round by being among top 5 or 6 teams in the weakest of 3 Euroleague groups.

ArkadiosV2
10-16-2007, 07:48 PM
Great job, but naturally in such a huge work some mistakes would occur, here are some i spotted.

Rakosevic is a SG

I think you are underestimating Siena.

Webber was wanted by Olympiakos, not PAO.


...J.R.Holden (point guard), established Euroleague player, play-maker for the Russian national team, and other highly experienced Euroleague clubs.

The last word should be players, not clubs.

Sports World
10-16-2007, 08:08 PM
Jasikevicius was mentioned with: "Jasikevicius (point guard), Eurolegue Final Four 2005 MVP, was brought from the NBA's Golden State Warriors in the deal worth over $11 million for a two-year contract."

American readers witnessed Jasikevicius over several years of his time in the National Basketball League being 2nd or even 3 options (when Indiana's Tinsley was injured, he remained a subtitute), he was not mentioned in the context of PAO's strong backcourt as it would need to be mentioned 'one of the best if not the best backcourt in Europe'.

Thanks for pointing out that Webber was wanted by Olympiacos not PAO, I mixed those two.

I'll correct Rakocevic, I used that data from Euroleague official site or similar source to match the terminology in English. Rakocevic was a guy who guested in my high-school at the time of being, as a youngster he used to score almost a half of teams points without passing the ball to anyone, as he has grown he learned to assist more:)

elaj
10-16-2007, 08:19 PM
Olimpija does not offer the quality needed throughout 14 games of the regular season to reach the next round. Olimpija saw some of its best players leaving the club last season, the crowd at Olimpija's home-ground Tivoli knows to be rather silent, there may not be too many spectators attending the games if bigger Euroleague teams are not to guest. The city of Ljubljana does seem to be too enthusiastic about its basketball club opposite to many other Euroleague hosting cities. Olimpija seems to be the weakest team in the group.
I'm shocked? Even in our bad years we always had arena sold out or at least 3/4 full when smaller teams were hosted here in Euroleague? (Remember we had terrible seasons with HUGE financial problems) The city of Ljubljana is probably most enthusiastic in years (last 3-4 years) about Olimpija right now... Don't speak about something you clearly have no clue about. It's better to ask than write stupid things.

Buducnost PG
10-16-2007, 08:27 PM
The team suffered another major blow when Cummings' (point guard) moved to Maccabi. Other than bringing former NBA player Milt Palacio (shooting guard, 4.3 points per game in the NBA), no other significant signings were made.

Palacio is our PG. He and SG.:D He couldn´t even hit 60% of his Freethrows.:D

ArkadiosV2
10-16-2007, 08:28 PM
Guys, lets take it easy.

Attacking someone in his first day on the forum isn't polite. Give him some months and we will lynch him all together :) Just joking.

Turkish Airlines Euroleague
10-16-2007, 08:30 PM
Great job! Welldone!! :)

Sports World
10-16-2007, 08:32 PM
I'm shocked? Even in our bad years we always had arena sold out or at least 3/4 full when smaller teams were hosted here in Euroleague? The city of Ljubljana is probably most enthusiastic in years (last 3-4 years) about Olimpija right now... Don't speak about something you clearly have no clue about. It's better to ask than write stupid things.
I'll modify that too, I'm from former Yugoslavia as well, I follow the regional league where Olimpija plays at the moment. I remember watching Olimpija against Lottomatica last season, it was a crucial game for both teams, the 'crowd factor' stayed in my memory, I may be mistaken.

Buducnost PG
10-16-2007, 08:40 PM
I'll modify that too, I'm from former Yugoslavia as well, I follow the regional league where Olimpija plays at the moment. I remember watching Olimpija against Lottomatica last season, it was a crucial game for both teams, the 'crowd factor' stayed in my memory, I may be mistaken.

Do you have a link for your site?

elaj
10-16-2007, 08:41 PM
I'll modify that too, I'm from former Yugoslavia as well, I follow the regional league where Olimpija plays at the moment. I remember watching Olimpija against Lottomatica last season, it was a crucial game for both teams, the 'crowd factor' stayed in my memory, I may be mistaken.
Nah, you shouldn't modify it. No need it's your opinion. I may have overreacted.. :D

Still, good job.

Sports World
10-16-2007, 09:40 PM
I recieved a private message and can't reply since I don't have enough posts in the forum, hope a senior member could send a message to 'mvblair' in my name with:

'Feel free to use the article as you like. Please see if you could take time to correct eventual grammatical errors (the usage of articles, the, a...) before presenting it to the readers, if you do as so please see if you could send me a copy to sportiana_sports@yahoo.com.'

@Buducnost_PG
Out of respect to InterBasket, I won't place link like I'm commercializing. The site is in English and about sports in general.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-16-2007, 11:45 PM
Olimpija does not offer the quality needed throughout 14 games of the regular season to reach the next round. Olimpija saw some of its best players leaving the club last season, the crowd at Olimpija's home-ground Tivoli knows to be rather silent, there may not be too many spectators attending the games if bigger Euroleague teams are not to guest. The city of Ljubljana does seem to be too enthusiastic about its basketball club opposite to many other Euroleague hosting cities. Olimpija seems to be the weakest team in the group.
sorry but... :D
didn't became at least a bit weird Olimpija never has the quality needed through 14 games of regular seasons and yet in a f... despicable condition (as in last 3 years) manages to miss that by one win only (accidentaly that stands for one 2or3 pointer fpr each of those 3 seasons, that could've suddenly make Olimpija... better?!) ?
Olimpija was never masacred in euroleague the way Partizan, Unicaja, Asvel, Ortez, AEK, Alba, Frankfurt, Krka and some other teams were in the last decade, and yet comparisons keep coming...:rolleyes:

if you knew half of what was going on with the team, you'd be surprised there actually were some people attending games, I personaly am surprised the club survived so far and yet wasn't humiliated as it should be, actually I can't feel anything but superiority complex for the teams without all that sh*t going on and still being raped again again and again with twice the budget.

I don't care which group we're playing, mark my words, some arses will get burned in Tivoli arena this year... just as every year... but if we get that aditional win, it would be one of the sweetest ones with all those underestimation (and I'll get banned than, exploding) and the sole difference are the finances, with normal state there we're in top16, with troubles... god help us- which in Ljubljana stands for falling one win away from top16...

won't even start talking about the bball awareness in Ljubljana... you can try getting here, PM me and we'll get on some 3 on 3 pickups instead... majority of euroleague cities dream of bball devotion and awareness over here and bball would crush there with one quarter of the troubles Olimpija had.
we're not Zadar (maybee only 2-3 cities are that crazy about bball), but it's simmilar as saying football is the most popular sport there :rolleyes:
I wouldn't even respond if you wouldn't include that Ljubljana statement in your article...


I remember watching Olimpija against Lottomatica last season, it was a crucial game for both teams, the 'crowd factor' stayed in my memory, I may be mistaken.
I think you actualy are mistaken here, Olimpija won the first game (in front of 3500 fans/5500 seated arena, 300.000 inhabitants), while lost the second (crucial) played in Rome (in front of 2000 fans/13.000 arena, 3 million inhabitants), which aims to become one of the leading euroleague clubs...

ArkadiosV2
10-17-2007, 12:07 AM
Matiz don't expose yourself so much, we would hate to lose your from this forum at the end of regular season :)

The only way for Olimpija to start making it to the next rounds on a regular basis is to become an affiliate club for Panathinaikos :D

Markoishvili
10-17-2007, 01:51 AM
Not really greatly knowledgeable piece, but thumbs up for helluva effort.

re5pectas
10-17-2007, 08:27 AM
Lietuvos Rytas are one of the 2 Lithuanian teams, rather small country (3.5 million) to give two Euroleague teams. Lietuvos lives in the shadows of Zalgiris, the famous Euroleague. Their home-ground Siemens Arena with the capacity of 11,000 built in 2004, is one the most modern and biggest Arenas in Euroleague. Club qualified for the Eurolegue by reaching the ULEB cup final.
There are no major, experienced Euroleague players on the team, their best player from last year Rush left the club. Lietuvos will be targeting the second round in the group where most teams are of similar quality.

Is it really one of the most modern and biggest Arenas in Euroleague? :D
Just never thought about it in that perspective :rolleyes:

And stop calling Lietuvos Rytas - "Lietuvos", the short name is - "Rytas" or "LR" or "LRytas":cool:


P.S.


@Buducnost_PG
Out of respect to InterBasket, I won't place link like I'm commercializing. The site is in English and about sports in general.
respect for unusual words like this ;)

Joško Poljak Fan
10-17-2007, 08:42 AM
Matiz don't expose yourself so much, we would hate to lose your from this forum at the end of regular season :)
I know I am maybee exposing myself too much, but that's where there is all the fun. ;)
saying Olimpija won't end up among last 3 teams in euroleague (unless team falls apart or get killed in a plane crash) as i said is a safe bet.
I can survive Olimpija being ranked 8th in the group which seems one of the hardest ever, but 1:2001 at bookies and stuff like Ljubljana not showing any enthusiasm for basketball is an insult to me.


The only way for Olimpija to start making it to the next rounds on a regular basis is to become an affiliate club for Panathinaikos :D
I actually believe making it to the next round won't be anything difficult at all as soon as finances gets repaired... affiliate club of Pao sounds reasonable in the other case :D

damelo
10-17-2007, 09:04 AM
well, nice job overall, effectively very huge.

I just'd like to add some stuff about French teams.
Well, as you aid , they may not do it to the second round.
Le Mans didn't have big names addition, they still have Nicolas Batum, who was praised by the NBA to go to the draft last year and may have been selected very high. He refused and said he was not ready. At 19 years old, Le Mans is his team. They added Antoine Diot for INSEP, French federal formation center, who is very young still, but, who has big future. Good PG. They still have Bokolo, starting PG, who played NBA summer league with the Cavs, along with coach Vincent Collet who was in the coaching staff. Well, Bokolo is big defenser, very athletic and still lacks of shoot to be a dominant PG, even in France. ANd they still have Alain Koffi, the guy who once managed to stop during a whole game Papadopoulos. He had lots of injuiries since that, but when healthy, he can make something.
Anyway, this team is too small, inexperienced, so they shouldn't make it to the second round, and their players will get lots of experience. That's the goal.
For Roanne, the matter was to keep their wonderful trio of last year: Marc Salyers (still in the club), Dewarick Spencer (signed by Virtus), and Aron Harper (signed by Mariupol I think). Un fortunately, they didn't get enough money for them, as Spencer may be one of the top EL guards this year. Those three guys were 1, 2 and 4 in ProA ranking last year.
Now, their team is good for ProA, and EL is not the goal of Roanne this year, it's to make a good championship.
The additions Brandon Rush and Adam Hess after few championship games give me mixed emotions: Rush seems to be the scorer they needed, Hess seems to be too bad. Salyers will be the Star this year, and may show off all his talent. We would be Pro A mvp this year, and one of top players in first round of EL.
At the point, Marc Antoine Pellin, small(1m67) big big big defenser, good organiser and playmaker, will have better opponents than usually, we'll check what he does on guys like Jasikevicius. At the center, Pape Badiane, France's third center this summer, may show he has the level for international games.
On the bench... nothing. Almost. Raphael wilson, SF out of the INSEP is to watch either, at EL level, nobody should really exist. Last year, Roanne playes with alomst five players all season long, well, with EL added, I don't think it will be possible, so, they should take EL as a bonus.
ANyway, they will play home games in Clermont Ferrand, as Roanne is too small, not an arena big enough or airport. They may have chosen it instead of Lyon because adversaries will be depressed in a city where you have nothing to do... :D

Sports World
10-17-2007, 09:22 AM
Siemens Arena is bigger than CSKA's and TAU's home courts, the clubs with some of the biggest budgets in Europe. It's twice the size of home courts of some teams in the group (Cibona's 5,600, Le Mans' 6,000, Aris' 4,800).

'Enthusiasm' about Olimpija's basketball in Ljubljana included interest for all leagues where Olimpija is playing, including the Adriatic League one of top leagues in Europe where Olimpija will play 26 games this season. Last weekend 1,000 spectators turned out in Tivoli to watch the top game between Hemofarm, was any TV station interested to broadcast the game!?

Tivoli will surely be sold out with CSKA, TAU and Olympiacos guesting, the 02 arena in London was also full for a NBA pre-season game last week. Big teams bring big crowd wherever they guest.

Olimpija's chances in Euroleague were calculated taking in consideration that Olimpija lost some of its best players, they play first game away in Siena (someone wrote Siena should not be underestimated), then host CSKA, Olympiacos and TAU, top favorites for the Euroleague title, if Olimpija does not win away game against Zalgiris (a good home-court team) or win against the favorites, Olimpija could be facing a 0-5 starts.

Olimpija had a far bigger budget than, in example, Partizan last season, Olimpija's PF/PA was -86, the 3th worst in the entire Euroleague. I hope for the best for Olimpija in this season.

MikeMaccabiFan
10-17-2007, 11:40 AM
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MACCABI had its recent glory days by winning consecutive titles in 2004 (defeated Skipper Bologna by a margin of 44 points in the final game) and 2005 (TAU Ceramica by 12 points) and losing in the finals 2006. Maccabi dynasty ended in the summer 2006 when Anthony Parker and Maceo Baston left the club to join the NBA's Toronto Raptors. Coach Pinhas Gershon also left the club.

Last year they had modest 8-6 result during regular season and were relegated in the quarter finals by CSKA, the series ended 2-1 for CSKA with CSKA winning two games by a margin of 22 and 21 points. Maccabi's club budget among the highest in Europe at the start of the 3rd millennium stagnated while in the last 2-3 years the budgets of several other European teams drastically heighten.
This season's budget is highest in Maccabi's history. And Maccabi never was among teams with highest budgets in Europe! BIG, HUGE mistake!


Maccabi's team did not change significantly from the last season, all-around player Vujcic (center), Sharp (shooting guard) and Bynem (point guard) are core of the team.

Highly talented Eliyahu (power forward) is expected to be a major factor in the team's playing. New additions on the team include experienced European player David Bluthenthal (center), Marcus Fizer (forward) who signed a two-year ($900.000 per year) contract, Fizer was selected with the fourth pick of the 2000 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls.
Not significantly? Addition of Fizer is not significant? Bluthental, and Morris and Cummings are not significant? BTW, last two, whom you did not mention at all, are upgrading Maccabi in defense and game management tremendously.


Maccabi is covered on all positions,
Not so covered. One might say that Maccabi do has a problem in SF position. I think it is not so big, since Bluthental lately showed ability guard anyone from 1 to 4. He is not great ball handler and dribbler, and he's for sure not Antony Parker, but he is very very solid. Main problem is lack in guards - Burstein in best case will return in January, Bynum will need few weeks to get back in form, Garcia did not play with the team. So meanwhile it's Cummings, Halperin and Sharp...


the crowd at Nokia Arena (one of the bigger venues in Euroleague) will be loud as always.
That is probably one of very few right sentences about Maccabi.

Maccabi is not the title contender as it may take a season for the new-comers to adapt to the team. Reaching beyond quarter finals would be a major success for Maccabi.

WRONG! If Maccabi is not in F4 it is always failure - ask Shimon Mizrahi, so it's not MAJOR success - it's only possibility to success.

Sports World
10-17-2007, 01:33 PM
I'd be glad to follow the link to Maccabi's official budget data around the year of 2003.

Maccabi team did not change significantly holding the opinion that similar players were changed with similar players and the core of the team with Vujcic as the team's driving force stayed the same.

Maccabi lost Jasaitis, brought in Fizer, a 6'8" player as well, is Fizer to do significantly better than Jasaitis? His contract value with Maccabi ($900,000 per season) was to point out that if TAU, Olympiacos... saw Fizer as a significant addition, they would have signed him for a $1 or 2.

Mike, would you write to American readers: 'Maccabi will consider it being a failure not to qualify for the Final Four (top 4 teams in Europe), Fizer is a significant addition to the team, he played for the past several years in the NBA Development League, during that time in two occasion managed to sign no more than 10-day contracts with an NBA team'? What would American readers think on the quality of Euroleague then?

Cummings was brought from Partizan where he was not team's driving force, is the 31 year old expected to be the driving force for Maccabi, team with better results than Partizan in the last seasons? Cummings is similar to Sharp, the 36 year old may or may not see many minutes in Euroleague this season and 5 years younger Cummings may take those minutes.

For the past several seasons, Morris played in the NBA Development league, Appolon in Greece, 5 months with Orlando, waived in February 2006, without a club until December 2006 when signed with Hapoel, is he among significant additions expected to bring Maccabi to the Final Four of Europe's top competition?

Bluthenthal with last season's Euroleague average 16 points and 4.2 rebounds is a great addition to the team, playing with Vujcic a season together, would make them be a huge tandem, that is the opinion the text wanted to express.

@ ArkadiosV2, I do not have enough posts in the forum to reply to private messages, the aknowledgement for the text is not necessary, but if wanted it's Dayan Smreca or www.sportiana.com

Joško Poljak Fan
10-17-2007, 01:38 PM
'Enthusiasm' about Olimpija's basketball in Ljubljana included interest for all leagues where Olimpija is playing, including the Adriatic League one of top leagues in Europe where Olimpija will play 26 games this season. Last weekend 1,000 spectators turned out in Tivoli to watch the top game between Hemofarm, was any TV station interested to broadcast the game!? ... the game was broadcasted;)
as for attendance, it's usually a bit bigger, while comparing it with Partizan (last home game 453 fans?) or last seasons Zvezda that have by far bigger fan base, it's actually a good one... by your opinion probably whole ex-Yu is uninterested in basketball just because the attendance is low in adriatic league, but there is more than just that.
Žalgiris and Rytas aren't getting much bigger numbers in BBL either... and I don't think many cities can compare with Kaunas or Vilnius regarding their devotion to the game.


Olimpija had a far bigger budget than, in example, Partizan last season, Olimpija's PF/PA was -86, the 3th worst in the entire Euroleague. I hope for the best for Olimpija in this season.
not true... you won't find Olimpija having any significatly bigger budgets than Partizan since 2002, they're both there somewhere at the bottom of euroleague + - 100.000 €

I don't want to turn this into an internet war, but don't conclude things too fast. If all euroleague cities would have as much interest in euroleague as Ljubljana does, things would be much easier for Uleb. Hopefully with financial sanation that will become visible soon...
You can see how results of NT can manage to decrease the enthusiasm for basketball in Serbia, so I think you can understand it since Olimpija has just been at such stage for the past 3-4 years

goga78
10-17-2007, 02:07 PM
I'd be glad to follow the link to Maccabi's official budget data around the year of 2003.

Maccabi team did not change significantly holding the opinion that similar players were changed with similar players and the core of the team with Vujcic as the team's driving force stayed the same.

Maccabi lost Jasaitis, brought in Fizer, a 6'8" player as well, is Fizer to do significantly better than Jasaitis? His contract value with Maccabi ($900,000 per season) was to point out that if TAU, Olympiacos... saw Fizer as a significant addition, they would have signed him for a $1 or 2.

Mike, would you write to American readers: 'Maccabi will consider it being a failure not to qualify for the Final Four (top 4 teams in Europe), Fizer is a significant addition to the team, he played for the past several years in the NBA Development League, during that time in two occasion managed to sign no more than 10-day contracts with an NBA team'? What would American readers think on the quality of Euroleague then?

Cummings was brought from Partizan where he was not team's driving force, is the 31 year old expected to be the driving force for Maccabi, team with better results than Partizan in the last seasons? Cummings is similar to Sharp, the 36 year old may or may not see many minutes in Euroleague this season and 5 years younger Cummings may take those minutes.

For the past several seasons, Morris played in the NBA Development league, Appolon in Greece, 5 months with Orlando, waived in February 2006, without a club until December 2006 when signed with Hapoel, is he among significant additions expected to bring Maccabi to the Final Four of Europe's top competition?

Bluthenthal with last season's Euroleague average 16 points and 4.2 rebounds is a great addition to the team, playing with Vujcic a season together, would make them be a huge tandem, that is the opinion the text wanted to express.

@ ArkadiosV2, I do not have enough posts in the forum to reply to private messages, the aknowledgement for the text is not necessary, but if wanted it's Dayan Smreca or www.sportiana.com

Mike is completely right with his evaluation of this year's MTA in comparison to the last year's squad. MTA got deeper on all positions and added valuable players who have proved themselves in Europe being either go-to-guys or very good role players. As to your estimation of Fizer's and Cummings' strenghts, consider that no one knew how good Anthony Parker, Maceo Baston and Nate Huffman would be going to become when they came to MTA. The management of Tau, Olympiacos and all the teams you had in mind is neither omnipresent nor omniscient in order to snatch all valuable players that are on the market. Besides, those teams went after big names and gave out huge contracts.
MTA has always been considered a powerhouse in Europe and has reached numerous Final Four lately (1999 - 2006, six out of seven times, failing just once to advance to the final game). Thus, expectations and wishes do always go in the direction of the Final Four. Reaching it this year would be a major success, since Panathinaikos and CSKA have huge budgets and great rosters, while Real Madrid is a very good team with most of its important parts being on board for a season or more already. That basically leaves once spot open. Otherwise, Top 16 is being expected in Tel-Aviv as well as advancing to the quarterfinals.

sashikas
10-17-2007, 02:19 PM
Žalgiris and Rytas aren't getting much bigger numbers in BBL either... and I don't think many cities can compare with Kaunas or Vilnius regarding their devotion to the game.

This could not slip through my eyes... Žalgiris used to attract 2000+ spectators each LKL/BBL game, which was played in Sporto hale last season. The total number depended on the opponent team, off course.
This year the owner of the hall (city municipality) raised the rent fee, which caused the club to play in their practicing hall, which is small - suited only for 1200 spectators. I cannot say, that the new arena affairs has nothing to do with it (the negotiations between Bouygues Batiment & Žalgiris consorcium and the Kaunas city municipality was canceled).

Rytas also plays most of the LKL/BBL games in the small arena, which is suited for ~1700 visitors. And I cannot say, that it is overflooded with spectators. The regular fans (not ultras) are comming to the home games quite sluggishly. I am not talking about Euroleague/ULEB Cup games and LKL/BBL games against Žalgiris, which take place in 11K Siemens arena.

Joško Poljak Fan
10-17-2007, 03:00 PM
didn't mean to use it against Žalgiris or Rytas, just trying to point out that in some countries hybrid leagues attendances as adriatic and baltic ones, can't be the measure for evaluating popularity of basketball there ;)
thanks for explanation though, I didn't know that yet...

MikeMaccabiFan
10-17-2007, 04:13 PM
I'd be glad to follow the link to Maccabi's official budget data around the year of 2003.

I did not found the link for 2003, but in 2002 it was $12.5M - not very high.(found it on YNET in Hebrew)


Maccabi team did not change significantly holding the opinion that similar players were changed with similar players and the core of the team with Vujcic as the team's driving force stayed the same.
Have you seen Cummings playing in Maccabi?


Maccabi lost Jasaitis, brought in Fizer, a 6'8" player as well, is Fizer to do significantly better than Jasaitis? His contract value with Maccabi ($900,000 per season) was to point out that if TAU, Olympiacos... saw Fizer as a significant addition, they would have signed him for a $1 or 2.

Have you seen Fizer??? Look at my avatar:D He wasn't brought instead of Jasaitis - he (and Morris) was brought instead of Felix/Green/Arnold. He is power forward, not small forward in any sense. It's pointless to compare him to Jasaitis - if you wish to do so, compare Bluthental (which is better).

Back to Fizer - he played 3 years in NBA, one year in D-league... Last year in strong Spanish league. He was 4th choice in draft. Go to Youtube and make some search - you will understand more.


Mike, would you write to American readers: 'Maccabi will consider it being a failure not to qualify for the Final Four (top 4 teams in Europe), Fizer is a significant addition to the team, he played for the past several years in the NBA Development League, during that time in two occasion managed to sign no more than 10-day contracts with an NBA team'? What would American readers think on the quality of Euroleague then?
B-shit. See above - 4th choice in draft. And I also saw him playing.


Cummings was brought from Partizan where he was not team's driving force, is the 31 year old expected to be the driving force for Maccabi, team with better results than Partizan in the last seasons? Cummings is similar to Sharp, the 36 year old may or may not see many minutes in Euroleague this season and 5 years younger Cummings may take those minutes.
Again - you haven't seen Cummings playing with Maccabi - I did - he's much better than he looked in Partizan.


For the past several seasons, Morris played in the NBA Development league, Appolon in Greece, 5 months with Orlando, waived in February 2006, without a club until December 2006 when signed with Hapoel, is he among significant additions expected to bring Maccabi to the Final Four of Europe's top competition?
Morris stabilized Hapoel last season, gave them a LOT!
And he is bench player, but very significant - gives defense, blocks and also some points too (very nice 3pt shoot, BTW).


Bluthenthal with last season's Euroleague average 16 points and 4.2 rebounds is a great addition to the team, playing with Vujcic a season together, would make them be a huge tandem, that is the opinion the text wanted to express.
Vujcic and Fizer is most deadly tandem Maccabi has. Bluth is good too, of course.

And finally, do your homework better, otherwise you might turn in Calvin...:D

ArkadiosV2
10-17-2007, 10:04 PM
Olimpija and Zalgiris shouldn't complaint about their fans if they see what happens in some Pana games where the fans don't even reach 3000. And this in a great arena, with easy access and a very cheap ticket. And of course all those stars.

Not to even mention Olympiakos where last season there were 300 fans vs Egaleo for A1.

Or AEK, which is a HUGE club and had the lowest average of A1.

Sports World
10-17-2007, 11:34 PM
With 300 or 1000 visitors makes you wonder how PAO and Olympiacos get those big budgets:) Initial offer for Spanoulis was $19 million, just huge, I believe it outlines the importance of Euroleague games for the clubs.

I'll address one more text comment: The text was written for possible readers from both sides of the ocean. In occasions people close to the NBA reffered to European basketball leagues equalling them to the NBA's Development League. Euroleague is much more than that.

With Bargnani and other top European players being brought into the NBA, people in the States may get the sense that the best players from Europe are in the NBA and Euroleague is the league of D-League players.

Recent years Fizer spent in the D-League twice offered a 10-days contract with the NBA team, season in ACB's Murcia (14th ranked team in the league of 18), in Puerto Rico, then signed with Maccabi.

It's not about any player in person but what the player profile says, no NBA team wanted a player so the player moved to Europe. Is the player team's significant enough addition to bring them to the Final Four in his first season! American, Chinese... viewers may rather watch NBA in that sense.

The text was written in support of Euroleague's glory that it's not the league of D-League rank but league where top clubs have players like Papaloukas and Diamantidis good enough to play for any NBA team, and their teams are favorites for the Euroleague title.

Trifilli
10-18-2007, 08:47 AM
Olimpija and Zalgiris shouldn't complaint about their fans if they see what happens in some Pana games where the fans don't even reach 3000. And this in a great arena, with easy access and a very cheap ticket. And of course all those stars.

Not to even mention Olympiakos where last season there were 300 fans vs Egaleo for A1.

Or AEK, which is a HUGE club and had the lowest average of A1.

Panathinaikos real problem is the A1, not the Euroleague. In the EL PAO tied for 1st place in attendance with Maccabi, averaging 10.500 spectators per game. The lowest number was 7.500 vs. Badalona, the highest 15.000, vs. Roma and Dynamo Moscow (so there was not even a sold out arena last season, unlike the season before - of course there were also no german or french club in the group, so that should even it out a bit).

In the A1 however people only come to games vs. the big names (if the games are not behind closed doors, like the ones vs. Aris or PAOK last season for example). The competitiveness of the A1 is increasing, and that should help increasing the spectator numbers as well, but the main problem in the A1 is marketing and the general picture of the league. Some teams aren't regarding their sportive level, but play in school-like gyms (Panellinios for example, also Maroussi). ESAKE can't allow that to happen - the same applies to the financial breakdowns of teams during the season. Who is going to come to see Makedonikos play, if you read everyday about them in the newspaper that they're just steps away from withdrawing from the league? Lots of work, more marketing strategies and better rules are needed in the A1 to change the spectator numbers for good. On the sportive side it sure is one of the best leagues in Europe, something that certainly cannot be said about the organisation.
Btw, AEKs terrible spectator numbers were also caused by the problems between their former owner and the fans.
Phew, I guess that this was a bit OT now, sorry :p

MikeMaccabiFan
10-18-2007, 09:00 AM
Recent years Fizer spent in the D-League twice offered a 10-days contract with the NBA team, season in ACB's Murcia (14th ranked team in the league of 18), in Puerto Rico, then signed with Maccabi.

It's not about any player in person but what the player profile says, no NBA team wanted a player so the player moved to Europe. Is the player team's significant enough addition to bring them to the Final Four in his first season! American, Chinese... viewers may rather watch NBA in that sense.

The text was written in support of Euroleague's glory that it's not the league of D-League rank but league where top clubs have players like Papaloukas and Diamantidis good enough to play for any NBA team, and their teams are favorites for the Euroleague title.
Recent years???


Darnell Marcus Lamar Fizer (born August 10, 1978 in Detroit, Michigan) is an American professional basketball player. An NBA/D-League power forward, he has completed his fifth season in the league. On June 20th, 2007 he signed on a two-year deal ($900,000 a year) with the European power house Maccabi Tel Aviv and will be playing there next year.

After three years at Iowa State, where Fizer was a Sporting News All-America Second Team selection as a junior, he was selected with the fourth pick of the 2000 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls. Many analysts suspected that the Bulls had drafted Fizer merely to trade him for another player, since the Bulls already had Elton Brand at the power forward position. However, no such trade ever took place, and Fizer spent the next four years struggling to find a niche with the Bulls. He never averaged more than 12.3 points per game. In 2004 he was made available to the Charlotte Bobcats in their expansion draft. Not making their final roster, he signed as a free agent with the Milwaukee Bucks. After one disappointing season in Milwaukee, he failed to sign a free agent deal with another team. In November 2005, he signed with the Austin Toros of the NBA Development League. On March 8, 2006, Fizer signed a 10-day contract with the Seattle SuperSonics, but did not play any games for them. On March 31, 2006, he was named the NBA Development League MVP for the 2005-2006 season. Also on March 31, he was signed to a 10-day contract with the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets.

He appeared in 289 career NBA games, making 35 starts and averaging 9.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg and 1.2 apg, shooting .435 from the floor and .691 from the free throw line in 20.9 mpg. Has averaged 22.0 ppg and 10.6 rpg per 48 minutes in four NBA seasons. Scored 20+ points 17 times, with 10+ rebounds on 22 occasions in his four-year NBA career. Played for the gold medal-winning United States team at the 2001 Goodwill games in Brisbane, Australia while averaging 4.8 points and 3.0 rebounds, shooting .550 from the floor. In the summer of 2006 he signed a one-year contract with Polaris World Murcia of the Spanish league ACB. Then he played with Capitanes de Arecibo, in the Puerto Rico professional Basketball league (BSN).[1]. In June 2007, he signed a two-year contract with Maccabi Tel Aviv from the Israeli league.

Look at bold - this is exactly one season, as I wrote before.
Again, please, make your homework better...:rolleyes:

Sports World
10-18-2007, 01:24 PM
'Recent years Fizer spent in the D-League, ACB...', me trying to catch up on English:) thanks for correction. Fizer may get the second chance with Maccabi like Anthony Parker, may take a season for him to addapt to the Euroleague style of play. He seems like Utah' Carlos Boozer type of player 6'8"-6'9" 262-266lb, Fizer first round's 4th pick, Boozer drafted in the second round.

I'm glad for Cummings heading to Maccabi for probably a few times biger contract than with Partizan, he's known for playing for his team not for personal stats.

All best to Maccabi this season.

MikeMaccabiFan
10-18-2007, 05:06 PM
'Recent years Fizer spent in the D-League, ACB...', me trying to catch up on English:) thanks for correction. Fizer may get the second chance with Maccabi like Anthony Parker, may take a season for him to addapt to the Euroleague style of play. He seems like Utah' Carlos Boozer type of player 6'8"-6'9" 262-266lb, Fizer first round's 4th pick, Boozer drafted in the second round.

I'm glad for Cummings heading to Maccabi for probably a few times biger contract than with Partizan, he's known for playing for his team not for personal stats.

All best to Maccabi this season.
First of all, it is considered polite to quote person whom you answering.
Second of all, instead of saying "sorry, my mistake", you trying to blame your English... And I can scroll up and see that English has nothing to do with that...
Anyway, welcome to Interbasket, just try to make homework - you"ll learn soon.

FRANKY 13
10-18-2007, 07:08 PM
With 300 or 1000 visitors makes you wonder how PAO and Olympiacos get those big budgets Initial offer for Spanoulis was $19 million, just huge, I believe it outlines the importance of Euroleague games for the clubs.



Well PAO still was the team with the biggest attendence of the EL along with maccabi.
We complain because out of the 18000 seats, sometimes (never in EL)just 5000 are or less are full, but even that number is huge for other teams.
BTW in the EL PAO ever plays with less than 6000-7000 .
Attendence of PAO has improved a lot those last two years.

Even in the game Vs makedonikos (worst team of the greek Championship) held the 6th of january ( in the middle of the winter holidays, +big religious day) we had something like 4000.
Things are not that bad, especially this year, where we already sold 7000 SEASON TICKETS ( and still selling, board has expectations for more than 8000), a HUGE number, and perhaps an oll time EL record ( actually quite sure since very few teams have a stadium bigger than 1000)

MikeMaccabiFan
10-18-2007, 10:25 PM
Things are not that bad, especially this year, where we already sold 7000 SEASON TICKETS ( and still selling, board has expectations for more than 8000), a HUGE number, and perhaps an oll time EL record ( actually quite sure since very few teams have a stadium bigger than 1000)
Sorry, but Maccabi sold around 10,000 season tickets already...:p

FRANKY 13
10-18-2007, 10:35 PM
thats impossible. Maccabi s stadiums full capacity is 11000.

You cannot sell to season tickets more than 60 percent of the stadium s capacity.

MikeMaccabiFan
10-18-2007, 10:42 PM
thats impossible. Maccabi s stadiums full capacity is 11000.

You cannot sell to season tickets more than 60 percent of the stadium s capacity.
Capacity is 11,500, and here in Israel you can sell all of seats as season tickets.
On Maccabi's season opening press-conference Shimon Mizrahi said that something like 900 seats left... Since than, I bought one;)

FRANKY 13
10-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Capacity is 11,500, and here in Israel you can sell all of seats as season tickets.
On Maccabi's season opening press-conference Shimon Mizrahi said that something like 900 seats left... Since than, I bought one;)

Oh, didnt know that. sorry:)

This means actually that very single time , the same people are in the stadium.

MikeMaccabiFan
10-18-2007, 10:56 PM
Oh, didnt know that. sorry:)

This means actually that very single time , the same people are in the stadium.
Yep, right, at least in EL games - in PL games attendance is lower (excluding some rivalry matches, like against Hapoel J-m).

Joško Poljak Fan
10-18-2007, 11:29 PM
Capacity is 11,500, and here in Israel you can sell all of seats as season tickets.
On Maccabi's season opening press-conference Shimon Mizrahi said that something like 900 seats left... Since than, I bought one;)
Nokia arena was enlarged twice in the last 10-12 years if i remember correctly... but still obviously not enough, if you can sell 10.000 season tickets, I think Maccabi might have a chance of filling up 20.000 seated arena as well if available :confused:

MikeMaccabiFan
10-19-2007, 08:18 AM
Nokia arena was enlarged twice in the last 10-12 years if i remember correctly... but still obviously not enough, if you can sell 10.000 season tickets, I think Maccabi might have a chance of filling up 20.000 seated arena as well if available :confused:
Well, sure, and Maccabi wants build its own arena for years (Nokia/Yad Eliyahu isn't owned by Maccabi). Problem is Israeli/Tel Aviv municipality bureaucracy...:eek: