2008 U18 European Championship

[rikhardur]

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GROUP A
Greece
Belgium
Israel
Spain

GROUP B
Lithuania
Estonia
Italy
Serbia

GROUP C
Ukraine
Germany
France
Russia

GROUP D
Latvia
Bulgaria
Turkey
Croatia

[Srle]

Serbia

Danilo Anđušić
2. Branislav Đekić
3. Đorđe Gagić
4. Nenad Grozdanić
5. Nenad Grujo
6. Nemanja Jaramaz
7. Đorđe Majstorović
8. Dušan Milošević
9. Andreja Milutinović
10. Aleksandar Mitrović
11. Dejan Musli
12. Nemanja Nedović
13. Aleksandar Nestorović
14. Uroš Petrović
15. Lazar Radosavljević
16. Bogdan Riznić
17. Nikola Rondović
18. Filip Šepa
19. Svetozar Stamenković
20. Bojan Subotić
21. Aleksandar Vlahović
22. Nikola Vukasović
23. Dušan Ognjanović
Coach:Miroslav Nikolic

[rikhardur]

Spain preliminary roster:

POINT GUARDS
Daniel Pérez (Barcelona)
Alejandro Hernández (Barcelona)
Josep Franch (Joventut)

SHOOTING GUARDS
Jorge Santana (Gran Canaria)
David García Pacha (Real Madrid)
Ander Arruti (TAU)

SMALL FORWARDS
Alberto Jodar (Fuenlabrada)
Marcos León (Gran Canaria)
Iván Martínez (Valladolid)

POWER FORWARDS
Ignacio Llovet (Joventut)
Adrián Laso (Fuenlabrada)
Eduardo Martínez (Estudiantes)

CENTRES
Toni J. Vicens (Estudiantes)
Miguel Lorenzo (Unicaja Málaga)
Marcos Molina (Pamesa Valencia)

Coach: Alejandro Martínez

[MAstER]

Greece
Ioannis Angelopoulos
Dimitrios Arapis
Georgios Georgakis
Vlantimir Giankovits
Andreas Kanonidis
Ioannis Karathanasis
Leonidas Kaselakis
Dimitrios Katsivelis
Emmanouil Koukoulas
Evangelos Mantzaris
Georgios Papadakis
Andreas Papadimitriou
Konstantinos Papanikolaou
Epameinondas S. Papantoniou
Georgios Papapetrou
Nikolaos Pappas
Michail Roussis
Zisis Sarikopoulos
Konstantinos Sloukas
Alexandros Spanos
Ioannis Stoukas
Paraskevas Rafail Tsourakis
Ioannis Vavatsikos

[Toxicity]

Italy
Amici Alessandro (’91, 197, G, Scavolini Pesaro)
Borra Jacopo (’90, 211, C, Upim Bologna)
Campani Luca (’90, 205, A, Trenkwalker Reggio Emilia)
Cournooh David Reginald (’90, 192, G, Montepaschi Banca Siena)
Crotta Stefano (’90, 205, A/C, Montepaschi Banca Siena)
De Fabritiis Antonio (’90, 190, G, Nordkapp Stella Azzurra Roma)
De Nicolao Andrea (’90, 185, Pm, Us Dil. Pro Pace Basket)
Diomede Manuel (’90, 190, Pm, Consum.It Virtus Siena)
Loschi Federico (’90, 194, G, Benetton Treviso)
Martone Raffaele (’90, 207, C, Montepaschi Banca Siena)
Melli Nicolo’ (’91, 205, A, Trenkwalker Reggio Emilia)
Moraschini Riccardo (’91, 194, G, La Fortezza Bologna)
Moreno Albo Yankiel (’90, 187, G, Azimut Loano)
Muner Andrea (’90, 197, G, A.S.D. Sistema Basket Pordenone)
Panzini Lorenzo (’90, 183, Pm, Coopsette Rimini)
Paolisso Pasquale (’90, 202, A/C, Air Avellino)
Sandri Daniele (’90, 194, G, Benetton Treviso)
Tomassini Claudio (’91, 190, G, La Fortezza Bologna)

Key players will be the highly regarded Melli, Air Avellino's Paolisso, Virtus Bologna's Moraschini and the speedy PGs Panzini and De Nicolao...

It also looks like the best 1990 born we have in Italy, Roberto Rullo, will play for the U20 NT...

[penzias]

Spain

Daniel Pérez ________1,84 1990 FC Barcelona Base
Alejandro Hernández _1,90 1990 FC Barcelona Base
Josep Franch _______1,90 1991 Joventut Badalona Base
Jorge Santana ______1,93 1990 Gran Canaria Escolta
David García Pacha __1,90 1990 Real Madrid Escolta
Ander Arruti ________1,89 1990 Fundación Baskonia Escolta
Alberto Jodar _______2,04 1991 CB Fuenlabrada Alero
Marcos León __ _____1,92 1990 Gran Canaria Alero
Iván Martínez _______1,92 1990 G. Capitol Valladolid Alero
Ignacio Llovet _______2,01 1991 Joventut Badalona Ala-Pívot
Adrián Laso _________2,00 1990 CB Fuenlabrada Ala-Pívot
Eduardo Martínez ____2,00 1990 MMT Estudiantes Ala-Pívot
Toni J. Vicens _______2,01 1990 MMT Estudiantes Pívot
Miguel Lorenzo _______2,06 1991 Unicaja Pívot
Marcos Molina _______2,05 1990 Pamesa Valencia Pívot

Arguably among the best backcourts in the tournament but lack of big people as usual.
Alberto Jodar is the best prospect of this team, he's suposed to be in the senior team in a couple pf years.
Josep Franch already played with the 1st team of joventut some minutes in ACB league last season but the starting PGs might be the players of FC Barcelona.

Base = PG
Escolta = SG
Alero = SF
Ala-pivot = PF
pivot = center

[Srle]

Andreja Milutinović, Aleksandar Mitrović, Dejan Musli, Uroš Petrović, Bogdan Riznić, Filip Šepa, Svetozar Stamenković, Bojan Subotić, Aleksandar Vlahović, Nikola Vukasović, Dušan Ognjenović, Nenad Grujo.

No Djekic and Andjusic. Our coach is real idiot. Also we had alot of injuries. None of the Red Star kids is on the squad.

[Basket_]

Final Lithuanian U18 roster:

Tautvydas Šležas
Donatas Motiejūnas
Kristijonas Gaška
Matas Sapiega
Evaldas Kairys
Gilvydas Biruta
Giedrius Staniulis
Marius Zimnickas
Tomas Milinskas
Augustas Pečiukevičius
Mantas Kadzevičius
Gediminas Bertašius

Coach: Vitoldas Masalskis

[elaj]

Andreja Milutinović, Aleksandar Mitrović, Dejan Musli, Uroš Petrović, Bogdan Riznić, Filip Šepa, Svetozar Stamenković, Bojan Subotić, Aleksandar Vlahović, Nikola Vukasović, Dušan Ognjenović, Nenad Grujo.

No Djekic and Andjusic. Our coach is real idiot. Also we had alot of injuries. None of the Red Star kids is on the squad.
Didn't Red Star U18 team won the Serbian championship?

[Srle]

Yes,they are. I heard that all candidates from Red Star are injured.

[xtf_no4]

Here is my preview of the U18 EC Division A
http://www.europeanprospects.com/1990-born/guard-1990-born/maurice-stuckey/u18-european-championship-division-a-preview/

[Genjuro]

I see Serbia winning it all, with Greece as a runner up.

Spain (with an improved inside game since Mannheim), Turkey (nicely balanced squad) and Lithuania (inconsistent supertalent in Motiejunas, aggressive guards) can challenge for the medals.

France is a huge question mark for me, as they looked like crap in Mannheim but surprised everyone in Douai (I didn't see them there). Italy is another big question mark, since they played Mannheim without Melli. Croatia is very talented but too soft and not very competitive. And Bulgaria should be rather intriguing following the leadership of Avramov and Zahariev.

Anyway, if we take a look at the competition system and the groups, teams like Spain, Lithuania or Italy have very little chances to get a medal, because Serbia and Greece should secure the semifinal spots from the A/B groups.

So I'm betting on Turkey for the bronze medal, with an excellent chance for teams such as France, Croatia or Bulgaria to make a run for the semifinals.

[Srle]

Our squad could have been better. I dont understand some moves of our coach. Also we have lots of injuries.

[jwfish6]

Nikolic did the same thing 2 years ago at the u20 2006 in Turkey when he cut Teodosic and benched Labovic the whole game. For one I know he had problems with FMP organization and their boss I believe.

[Srle]

Now he is cool with them. His preparations were in FMP training center. Also there are half of players from FMP(they got best players in this generation) but its outrage to not bring Djekic(only if he hurts) and also he could have brought Danilo Andjusic from Hemofarm .Because we need pure shooter and he is our best pure shooter.

[AlbionGate]

Nikolic has selected too much forwards (Subotic Petrovic Riznic Mitrovic are OK but Stamenkovic Grujo aren't better than Djekic) in this team, and only 2 playmakers.
Do anyone know why Luka Basta (who will play for Partizan next year) is not in the preliminary squad ?

[Srle]

Because he is not that good to be on our roster:cool:

[AlbionGate]

As Nedjeljko Bogdanovic and Igor Bilic ? They are on Montenegrin preliminary squad.

[Srle]

Yes. Again not good to be on our squad. Subotic and Petrovic are much better than Bilic. Same with Bogdanovic. Vukasovic and other kid from Partizan are better than Bogdanovic. Too bad Andjusic is not invited. F....n Muta Nikolic.

[Buducnost PG]

Croatian roster for the EC

Toni Prostran - KK Zadar
Nikola Dosen - KK Sibenka Sibenik
Darko Planinic - HKK Siroki Brijeg (BIH)
Josip Bilinovac - HKK Siroki Brijeg (BIH)
Robert Rikic - KK Dubrovnik
Tomislav Zubcic - Cibona Zagreb
Sven Smajlagic - Cibona Zagreb
Goran Fodor - Cibona Zagreb? I am not sure, he played for another club, but mabye Cibona signed him. He played for them on the EL F8 for players under 18 years.
Ivan Ramljak - Posusje (BIH)
Leon Radosevic - Cibona Zagreb
Ivan Batur - KK Zadar
Mario Delas - KK Split

[AlbionGate]

Nikola Dosen ? Serbian roots for sure.
Strong under. Prostran undersized SG (will play PG in the future).
Zubcic F, Radosevic C - Smajlagic SG - Prostran G and Rikic C are the best in this team.

[Buducnost PG]

Nikola Dosen ? Serbian roots for sure.
Strong under. Prostran undersized SG (will play PG in the future).
Zubcic F, Radosevic C - Smajlagic SG - Prostran G and Rikic C are the best in this team.

I don´t know if Dosen has Serbian roots or better said if he is a Serb from Croatia. I am only suprised to see him in the roster. He is still very raw. He played some minuets for Sibenik this year as pro, but this kid is born at the end of 1991.

[AlbionGate]

Nikola Mirotic is not in the Montenegrin U18 squad. Why?

The matter with Bogdanovic (Bilic didn't play U16 in 2006 although he was in preliminary squad) is that he played for SCG U16. Did he sign the famous letter to join Montenegro last year ? Because that letter, as I understand was for the players who were previously selected in YUG then SCG young national teams.

[Buducnost PG]

Nikola Mirotic is not in the Montenegrin U18 squad. Why?

The matter with Bogdanovic (Bilic didn't play U16 in 2006 although he was in preliminary squad) is that he played for SCG U16. Did he sign the famous letter to join Montenegro last year ? Because that letter, as I understand was for the players who were previously selected in YUG then SCG young national teams.

Bogdanovic signed nothing. After the U16 you have still the chance to change the NT. And he did that. I wasn´t bad at all in 2006, when he played for the U16. Now he had no chance in Serbia and decided to play for Montenegro. You know we all have Montenegrin roots.:D :rolleyes:

The Montenegrin federation is very busy, when it comes to link players from Serbia for their NT. There are always some scouts on the Serbian youth tournaments from Montenegro.

I don´t know why Mirotic will not play. But he said once that his 1st goal is to train in Madrid and become better and better. Then he will decide when to play for the NT.

He is a great talent. Serbian federation should talk with him and convince him to play for Serbia.:D

[AlbionGate]

I agree. But if a player can change basketball citizenship after U16 national team, we could loose Rondovic (Red Star), Jovanovic (FMP), Jaramaz (Partizan), Andjusic (Hemofarm - his father from Montenegro), Besovic (Vojvodina)

[Genjuro]

I'm afraid Real Madrid and the Spanish Federation are trying to get Mirotic a Spanish passport. He would be eligible for the Spanish national team, since he hasn't played for Serbia or Montenegro at the U-16 stage.

As for Djekic, the kid has excellent potential, but he was a marginal player in FMP this year (and I've seen the Serbian team 7-8 times). If you're looking for a good result now, I don't see why Stamenkov can't be selected ahead of him. Besides, he's still a first-year junior; he has time to play in this category. Actually, I miss Ponjavic a bit more. Also, I would have loved to see Niksa Nikolic in the team.

[xtf_no4]

I also wrote a preview of the B Division Tournament.
If anybody is interested, here is the link

http://www.europeanprospects.com/1990-born/forward-1990-born/omar-zaghden/u18-european-championship-division-b-preview/

[AlbionGate]

I'm afraid Real Madrid and the Spanish Federation are trying to get Mirotic a Spanish passport. He would be eligible for the Spanish national team, since he hasn't played for Serbia or Montenegro at the U-16 stage.

As for Djekic, the kid has excellent potential, but he was a marginal player in FMP this year (and I've seen the Serbian team 7-8 times). If you're looking for a good result now, I don't see why Stamenkov can't be selected ahead of him. Besides, he's still a first-year junior; he has time to play in this category. Actually, I miss Ponjavic a bit more. Also, I would have loved to see Niksa Nikolic in the team.


Djekic was a marginal player for only one reason : because he doesn't agree to sign long term contract with FMP. As a better potential he deserves to play.
I consider FMP is destroying other basketball clubs. For example : Stamenkovic, Gudzic and Gacinovic (and also Milovanovic in FMP 2nd junior team) are from Ergonom Nis (Serbian U16 champion in 2006). For our basketball it would have been better that such good young players didn't leave Nis (one of 3 biggest serbian cities), where they could have been in the first team.

[Srle]

I'm afraid Real Madrid and the Spanish Federation are trying to get Mirotic a Spanish passport. He would be eligible for the Spanish national team, since he hasn't played for Serbia or Montenegro at the U-16 stage.

As for Djekic, the kid has excellent potential, but he was a marginal player in FMP this year (and I've seen the Serbian team 7-8 times). If you're looking for a good result now, I don't see why Stamenkov can't be selected ahead of him. Besides, he's still a first-year junior; he has time to play in this category. Actually, I miss Ponjavic a bit more. Also, I would have loved to see Niksa Nikolic in the team.
It dosent matter if he played lesser role. Thats due to club politics. Any time he steps on the floor Djekic produces. Stamenkovic is hard nose player but Djekic should be in front him. I dont know maybe he has some injury. Because we had alot of injured guys in training camp.

[Toxicity]

Any FTA Sat TV broadcasting the EuroChampionship?

[Picek]

nice opening for us..
from three youth teams playing this summer this one is our only chance for a possible podium finish..
our frontcourt simply dismantled latvians..
nice games by Delaš and Zubčić..
hopefully they will continue like this...

[Demarr]

Im satisfied with Estonias performance considering the fact that we played without our leader Siim-Sander Vene. Veideman impressed me the most.

The rebounding numbers, 30-52 to Italy, clearly shows that we need a tall center.

[Iverson.A]

YALLA ISRAEL,
anybody have a stream watch for Belgium-Israel?

[Buducnost PG]

B Division

Montenegro-Norway 70-66

[Toxicity]

Im satisfied with Estonias performance considering the fact that we played without our leader Siim-Sander Vene. Veideman impressed me the most.

The rebounding numbers, 30-52 to Italy, clearly shows that we need a tall center.

Did you watch the game? What about SG Coornooh (20+6) and PG De Nicolao (11+7+5+6)?

From boxscore Melli disappointed with just 2+9...

[softice]

Any FTA Sat TV broadcasting the EuroChampionship?
Greece-Spain - 2 minutes delay
ERT Sat on Hotbird and ERT World on Hellas Sat

[xtf_no4]

tomorrow's game will also be broadcasted, sunday apparently not

[Buducnost PG]

Lithuania is destroying Serbia.

[Sss]

in your face Serbia :D
didn't expected such result from our U-18. The goal for this team is 3-8 places, while for other teams (U-16, U-20) 1-5.
And Motiejunas is after the injury.

[Buducnost PG]

Lithuania-Serbia 80-65.

Easy win for the Liths. It seems Slezas did what he wanted to do in the paint. Great game for him. Lithuania was better in every section of the game. Serbia with a very poor performance. Congrats to Lithuania.

[Buducnost PG]

in your face Serbia :D
didn't expected such result from our U-18. The goal for this team is 3-8 places, while for other teams (U-16, U-20) 1-5.
And Motiejunas is after the injury.

The U18 teams of Zalgiris and Rytas played well this year on the youth tournaments. They were one of the best in europe. So the Lithuanian NT should also be good.

[CG]

Greece - Spain 77 -73

Greece won much more easier than the scores shows.Now it has 17-0 for both friendly and official games.

[Sss]

The U18 teams of Zalgiris and Rytas played well this year on the youth tournaments. They were one of the best in europe. So the Lithuanian NT should also be good.

well.... yes, but two years ago this team in U-16 was somewhat in 10-th place.
And we don't have good 90 generation, but those additions from 91 (Kadzevicius and Peciukevicius) seems to do the job.

[Buducnost PG]

well.... yes, but two years ago this team in U-16 was somewhat in 10-th place.
And we don't have good 90 generation, but those additions from 91 (Kadzevicius and Peciukevicius) seems to do the job.

Peciukevicius made a great game. But also the C Slezas.

[Genjuro]

Shocking victory for the Lithuanians. I'm surprised/impressed. Let's see how Serbia bounces back. Perhaps they should have just sent FMP.:D


well.... yes, but two years ago this team in U-16 was somewhat in 10-th place.
Well, you couldn't get past the preliminary round because you were located in a crazy group with Serbia, Greece and Croatia.

It reminds me of the 1989 Serbia, that shared preliminary group at the U-16 stage with Rubio's Spain and Diot's France, being relegated to a similar position. Two years later, they won the U-18 European Championship.

[Buducnost PG]

Shocking victory for the Lithuanians. I'm surprised/impressed. Let's see how Serbia bounces back. Perhaps they should have just sent FMP.:D


Well, you couldn't get past the preliminary round because you were located in a crazy group with Serbia, Greece and Croatia.

It reminds me of the 1989 Serbia, that shared preliminary group at the U-16 stage with Rubio's Spain and Diot's France, being relegated to a similar position. Two years later, they won the U-18 European Championship.

FMP players played bad today. Especially Milutinovic and Subotic. The best Serbian players were Vlahovic from Partizan and Mitrovic from Mega Belgrade.

[Srle]

Oh come on. Give me a break, everyone played bad more or less. I dont like this team. Its not selected well. They are trying to make star out of Sepa. He dosent have aheart. And our coach idiot makes him a captain. We should kept most of the players from last year cadet team and join only 3 players born in 1990 Subotic,Mitrovic and Milutinovic. Its first game and nothing is lost yet. Remmeber last year 1987 generation. They started with loss.

[Genjuro]

FMP players played bad today. Especially Milutinovic and Subotic. The best Serbian players were Vlahovic from Partizan and Mitrovic from Mega Belgrade.
It's often a problem of chemistry and/or a different coach. Still, I'm sure they will bounce back. Serbia is still the favourite to win it all in my book.

However, I'm sure you guys remember the impressive U-18 CSKA team formed by 1987-born guys: the U-18 Russia was extremely disappointing that very same summer. I'm pretty sure that CSKA alone would have fared better (and I'm aware CSKA faced weaker competition).

[Srle]

I agree with you. Because this team has no chemistry. They prove that two years ago. I also bet that FMP team would fare better. But I am very sorry for other guys born in 1991 who didnt make it because of injuries or our coach stupidity.

[Buducnost PG]

It's often a problem of chemistry and/or a different coach. Still, I'm sure they will bounce back. Serbia is still the favourite to win it all in my book.

However, I'm sure you guys remember the impressive U-18 CSKA team formed by 1987-born guys: the U-18 Russia was extremely disappointing that very same summer. I'm pretty sure that CSKA alone would have fared better (and I'm aware CSKA faced weaker competition).

Maybe. But Serbia lost the game yesterday, because the best players played but. We have still many FMP players here and players like Vlahovic and Mitrovic deservs their spot in this NT. Especially Vlahovic who is our only good PG born in 90. But players like Petrovic, Grujo or Stamenkovic should be out. But the game was lost, because Sepa, Milutinovic and Subotic had a very very bad day.

They will be back. Because they are to talented lose against Italy and Estonia. But this deaft was to big yesterday. -15 is a lot. And that could be a problem, if for example Serbia beat Greece and Greece beat Lithuania. Greece-Lithuania is the last game in the 2nd round. So they can play the game like Serbia and Lithuania last year and kick Serbia out.:D

[Toxicity]

Any chance to see Lithuania-Italy via streaming or sat tv?

[Buducnost PG]

How many teams from europe will qualify for the U19 WC next year in New Zeeland?

[rs-mufc]

How many teams from europe will qualify for the U19 WC next year in New Zeeland?

Four teams.

[Iverson.A]

Unbeliveble, we led by 12 now it's 2 for spain.

Israeli mentality speaking?

[Picek]

three out of three for our boys..
today with some nice shooting outside of three point line (11/24), we won easily against turkey and are moving on with maximum points to second round..
theoreticly one win in second round would be enough for semis..
Smajlagic finally had a rather good game today.
Zubcic is averaging almost a double - double so far and was our best player today alongside Delaš who is a second scorer of the tournament..
the reason why I'm mentioning Smajlagic and Zubcic and Radosevic who is also there is because they are all Cibona players..
so there could finally be some light at the end of the tunnel..

[DelijaZauvjek]

Maybe. But Serbia lost the game yesterday, because the best players played but. We have still many FMP players here and players like Vlahovic and Mitrovic deservs their spot in this NT. Especially Vlahovic who is our only good PG born in 90. But players like Petrovic, Grujo or Stamenkovic should be out. But the game was lost, because Sepa, Milutinovic and Subotic had a very very bad day.

They will be back. Because they are to talented lose against Italy and Estonia. But this deaft was to big yesterday. -15 is a lot. And that could be a problem, if for example Serbia beat Greece and Greece beat Lithuania. Greece-Lithuania is the last game in the 2nd round. So they can play the game like Serbia and Lithuania last year and kick Serbia out.:D


Our Orthodox brothers wouldn't do that... :eek:

[wardjdim]

Ok, I know that Jankovic will miss the rest of the tournament due to injury, but why isnt Motiejunas playing (except from the first game, the one vs Serbia)? Again, a fight? Maybe with the coach? Or just an injury? Anyone knows something?
Thank you

[LuDux]

Ok, I know that Jankovic will miss the rest of the tournament due to injury, but why isnt Motiejunas playing (except from the first game, the one vs Serbia)? Again, a fight? Maybe with the coach? Or just an injury? Anyone knows something?
Thank you
He already had leg injury before EC. Probably injured it again
And I never read about fights


edit
It apears (http://www.krepsinis.net/news.php?news_id=80926) that he was bit by insect few hours before 2nd game and has fever. Should be able to help a bit in 4th game

[Basket_]

Ok, I know that Jankovic will miss the rest of the tournament due to injury, but why isnt Motiejunas playing (except from the first game, the one vs Serbia)? Again, a fight? Maybe with the coach? Or just an injury? Anyone knows something?
Thank you
Acording to our federation official website, Motiejunas is injured.

[Z.A.L.I.A.]

Our coach about first phase and Motiejūnas' injury:

"Donatas got injury before the second game. He got some temperature and his knee was tumid. Doctors found an infection - it is thought that some mosquito or other bug bited and that caused the infection. We believe that he will be able to play some minutes during the next phase games."

"As I've mentioned before, I believe that Serbia is the favourite to win the tournament. Now they are smashing other teams. However we played really good game against them. The second game was a bit worse. Perhaps Donatas Motiejūnas injury made an effect. During the last game we wanted to give some rest to our leaders, but eventually we had to change our minds coz we wanted to win it"

Some thoughts about our next contenders (by our U18 NT coach):

"Greeks play very clever and mature basketball. It's perhaps the cleverest team in the tournament. Spaniards has really good sharpshooters, however they don't have big men. Israelis play together for a long time, so they show nice teamwork."


source (http://krepsinis.net/news.php?news_id=80926)

[wardjdim]

Thanks a million, guys

Today he played and played well, but the loss was tough and against the worst opponent of the three.. :mad:

[Iverson.A]

:eek:

that's all I got to say,
Ben Reis.. just amazing. Tamir Ariely I think is the big suprise of the tournement so far, everybody expected Ben and Carmel Buchman to be the leaders, but he's just saving our ass. Big time,
great win, :]

[DelijaZauvjek]

Fool I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about nor do I care but here is what the order looks like now....

Group E
1. Greece 3 3/0 234/203 6

2. Serbia 3 2/1 244/224 5

3. Lithuania 3 2/1 220/213 5

4. Spain 3 1/2 247/235 4

5. Israel 3 1/2 204/237 4

6. Italy 3 0/3 190/227 3


Group F
1. Croatia 3 3/0 266/227 6

2. Russia 3 2/1 229/206 5

3. France 3 2/1 202/194 5

4. Latvia 3 1/2 221/220 4

5. Turkey 3 1/2 224/241 4

6. Ukraine 3 0/3 190/244 3



It would be really interesting to see:

Croatia vs Serbia semi

and

Greece vs Russia semi

Then Serbia vs Greece final like last year :)

Of course Serbia winning it all.
I don't get why Lithuania has been our weak point this whole time.

We crushed Spain today but let them comeback in 4th and we still won.

Sepa scored 19 out of his 23 points in first quarter! and we were up 42-19 in first quarter.

So, Sepa alone scored as much as the whole Spanish squad in first quarter :)

Napred Srbija.

Then, we crushed Italy badly last time and Greece could barely beat them. Hmm

Ooh and I spoke to Milutinovic and he told me that he injured his hand but it's doing much better now.
This is good because him Dejan Musli and Sepa are our best players. Subotic and Mitrovic are playing exceptionally well too =D

[Picek]

Greece destroyed Serbia..
final score doesn't give you the real picture of the game..
five minutes to go Greece was up by 27 when their coach emptied the bench..
serbians couldn't hit anything for most of the time.. at one period they were 1/16 for three point..
this Pappas guy is really interesting.. nice shooting touch, both today and yesterday looked like a real leader of this Greece team..
phenomenal today was also center Sarikopoulos.. totaly outplayed Musli..
nice movement in both offense and defense, able to rebound defensively and find his offensive rebounding game..
now everything is open..
Lithuania, Spain and Serbia can go through.. Greece already is..
whoever wins tonight between Spain and Lithuania is closest to secure second spot although Lith's are playing Greece tomorrow but since greece bench is quite short I believe their coach will give some rest to his main players..
that could create an opportunity to the liths

[CG]

some days ago one of the PAO staff declared that they are watching closely the tournament.Especially the greek side where they have 3 years now envelopes about each player condition and development.After todays performance Pappas must be signed from PAO.He is a star of tomorrow.I remind that after Koufos last year he was also shined.
Sloukas and Sarikopoulos have nice potencial too.Especially Sarikopoulos that has nothing to do with the player of last year.He looks like more solid and dominant than ever.
Anyway after the lost of maybe the best or one of the 3 best players of Greek NT Jankovic Greece keeps playing well and seems to go all way long..

[Minotavros]

some days ago one of the PAO staff declared that they are watching closely the tournament.Especially the greek side where they have 3 years now envelopes about each player condition and development.After todays performance Pappas must be signed from PAO

I think Oly will sign him and give on loan for six years:D
Like they have done with Seibutis.

Sarikopoulos has improved A LOT in the States, even though he didn't get any playing time at UAB. He looks closer to 2.08 than his listed 2.10 though.
I still believe that the player with the biggest potential in this team is Papanikolaou.

[DelijaZauvjek]

Ehhh oooh well.

You win some. You lose some.

I don't want to see anyboday talking shit because nobody has ever accomplished to win all 4 Gold in youth like we did last year so don't even. :)


We've had some bad luck in these games.
Like the game against Lithuania where we went something like 1/19 for three's ha
And again today. Also, our second best player Milutinovic has been struggling with injury and I have no idea what's wrong with Musli. Hmmm. He was the star of last years competition. Maybe it's because everyone is a year older than him. Idk.

Anyhow, Sepa seems to be promising because no matter how hard they block him he always scores at least 20 :)

[Picek]

Anyhow, Sepa seems to be promising because no matter how hard they block him he always scores at least 20 :)
you obviously didn't watch the game..
he scored most of his points when the game was over..
he was 2/10 from the field when game was still played by the greeks..
he was hiding from the ball and did nothing really..

[Trifilli]

I really didn't expect Greece to dominante Serbia like they did today, especially not without Jankovic, who had a great tournament until he got injured. What happened to Serbia? I expected them to be one of the top favs for the Gold, but so far they're playing really inconsistent. Chemistry problems?

[Migelitas]

After today's victory over Spain it seems, that Lithuania secured a place in semis.
Outstanding performance by Motiejūnas (31+14rb) and Šležas (19+17rb+6ast)

[DelijaZauvjek]

you obviously didn't watch the game..
he scored most of his points when the game was over..
he was 2/10 from the field when game was still played by the greeks..
he was hiding from the ball and did nothing really..



????

So, scoring 19 poitns in first quarter against Spain in the last game was not something spectacular??

----- Unacceptable. JCN. I know you are jelous of Serbs but you'll get over it one day. Try winning a World Championship before you talk please :)


Anyhow, Trifilli...yes you are right.

Milutinovic told me lots of the players are of suffering unusal injuries. They can't find form and there have been some fights in the locker room. The coach is an idiot as well.
So, I wasn't really expecting much of anything from our boys this summer. Good luck to the others :)

Still glad to see Sepa having a couple of good games no matter what the ----- here says. :cool:


After today's victory over Spain it seems, that Lithuania secured a place in semis.
Outstanding performance by Motiejūnas (31+14rb) and Šležas (19+17rb+6ast)


Congrats. Although I expect a loss for you guys against Greece.

[Picek]

So, I wasn't really expecting much of anything from our boys this summer. Good luck to the others :)




Of course Serbia winning it all.

no really, you didn't.. :p




Still glad to see Sepa having a couple of good games no matter what the ----- here says. :cool:


nice choice of words ;)

[DelijaZauvjek]

no really, you didn't.. :p


nice choice of words ;)


Obviously you aren't familiar with the term: (SARCASM)


Yes, I thought that word suited you quite well. :)

I hope you know whoever deleted my comment up there that 90% of Croats are proud of being Ustase.

[Picek]

Obviously you aren't familiar with the term: (SARCASM)sarcasm, is that something to eat?



Yes, I thought that word suited you quite well. :)

I hope you know whoever deleted my comment up there that 90% of Croats are proud of being Ustase.this comment is even better..
please continue :)

[lafa]

guys,

don't you think it's gone too far.. off topic?

[Joško Poljak Fan]

Obviously you aren't familiar with the term: (SARCASM)


Yes, I thought that word suited you quite well. :)

I hope you know whoever deleted my comment up there that 90% of Croats are proud of being Ustase.
@DelijaZauvjek:
you've got many forums where you can discuss the balkan history and it's numerous versions and interpretations, however not on this forum as any name calling, baiting or other stuff on the nationality principle won't be tolerated.

It's expected for people to discuss basketball here with all nations trying to make some sense and Croat normaly discussing about Serbian basketball as well as Serb normaly discussing about Croatian basketball. So far members of this forum have managed to cope with all that relatively well without many insults or provocations. I'd propose you join them in that.

[Buducnost PG]

The Croatians choked again. After a very good start and 4 wins, they lost against Russia and France and are out. Or better said will play for the 5-8th place as we will.

With 73-74 for France. Radosevic and Zubcic missed both FW´s, but they got the offrebound. With 19sec to go Prostran missed a 3-pointer and France won and so secured the 1st place.

Edit: Croatia can still advance, if Lativa beats Russia by more then 1 point.

[CG]

Greece won Lithuania by 72-54.Quite easy game i think.Greece had all time the lead with 10p+.But i think that Lithuania is the team that Greece will face in the final.
Pappas with 23 p 6rb 5 st 5 as was the man of the match even if his percentages wasnt so good.Papanikolaou,Sloukas and Kaselakis
followed him.

why i have the feeling that some of them look like with some of the Greek NT
for example:D

Kaselakis next Papanikolaou?
Papanikolaou next Fotsis?
Sloukas next Zissis?
Pappas next Spanoulis?
Sarikopoulos next Papadopoulos?(i wish not:D )I think they have some common things each other..

[oranJe]

actually, pappas has a hint of zissis, with his mature and smart play. many of the players play very smart and mature for U18, I was impressed!

[rvat]

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[pablonis]

Greece won Lithuania by 72-54.Quite easy game i think.Greece had all time the lead with 10p+.But i think that Lithuania is the team that Greece will face in the final.
Pappas with 23 p 6rb 5 st 5 as was the man of the match even if his percentages wasnt so good.Papanikolaou,Sloukas and Kaselakis
followed him.

Lithuania played without Motiejunas, who has left the team to join the U20 guys. With him, it would be a different story, right now though, i guess a medal with barely few chances of it beeing gold.

[Buk]

Lithuania played without Motiejunas, who has left the team to join the U20 guys. With him, it would be a different story, right now though, i guess a medal with barely few chances of it beeing gold.


Mmmh Motiejunas played 32minutes tonight against Greece (just 8pts and 7rebs), you check the boxscore of the game here http://www.fibaeurope-u18men.com/en/Default.asp?cid={0A5D217A-4698-4FA8-B126-60BCC13F0FEC}&pageID={EB8968DD-ADB4-4C8C-AA61-1C8603EAB0BB}&compID={2248A846-FA78-40FF-B03C-54B460890F45}&season=2008&gameID=6089-E-9-3&

So I guess the story has been the same ;)

[Srle]

Fool I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about nor do I care but here is what the order looks like now....

Group E
1. Greece 3 3/0 234/203 6

2. Serbia 3 2/1 244/224 5

3. Lithuania 3 2/1 220/213 5

4. Spain 3 1/2 247/235 4

5. Israel 3 1/2 204/237 4

6. Italy 3 0/3 190/227 3


Group F
1. Croatia 3 3/0 266/227 6

2. Russia 3 2/1 229/206 5

3. France 3 2/1 202/194 5

4. Latvia 3 1/2 221/220 4

5. Turkey 3 1/2 224/241 4

6. Ukraine 3 0/3 190/244 3



It would be really interesting to see:

Croatia vs Serbia semi

and

Greece vs Russia semi

Then Serbia vs Greece final like last year :)

Of course Serbia winning it all.
I don't get why Lithuania has been our weak point this whole time.

We crushed Spain today but let them comeback in 4th and we still won.

Sepa scored 19 out of his 23 points in first quarter! and we were up 42-19 in first quarter.

So, Sepa alone scored as much as the whole Spanish squad in first quarter :)

Napred Srbija.

Then, we crushed Italy badly last time and Greece could barely beat them. Hmm

Ooh and I spoke to Milutinovic and he told me that he injured his hand but it's doing much better now.
This is good because him Dejan Musli and Sepa are our best players. Subotic and Mitrovic are playing exceptionally well too =D


Sepa is selfish player. I cant stand him. He is our captain and that's the shame. He has heart equivalent to mouse's. Too bad our golden 91 generation of cadets stayed at home(some due to the injury some due to our briliant coach). I hope they will somehow qualify to world cup.

[Picek]

Edit: Croatia can still advance, if Lativa beats Russia by more then 1 point.
thank you Latvia :D

I thought it was all over for us, but then Latvians came to the rescue when noone expected them to do so..
and we are in the semis and will be playing against greeks..
too bad I won't be home to watch it..
and this means that our team will go to New Zealand on WC next year which is quite good accomplishment eventhough we have Latvia to thank for that..

[Basket_]

Lithuania played without Motiejunas, who has left the team to join the U20 guys. With him, it would be a different story, right now though, i guess a medal with barely few chances of it beeing gold.
Motiejunas will join U20 from playoffs (if they will get there), after U18 championchip.

[pablonis]

Amh, ok, sorry for that.... Thought he's already with the U20'ies

[DelijaZauvjek]

Sepa is selfish player. I cant stand him. He is our captain and that's the shame. He has heart equivalent to mouse's. Too bad our golden 91 generation of cadets stayed at home(some due to the injury some due to our briliant coach). I hope they will somehow qualify to world cup.


Isn't it too late for WC :confused:

I didn't really follow the 91 generation last year..

Who are the best prospects from that generation??

I can tell Sepa is a ball hog, but he also had nobody there to help him.
Trust me..These guys had no intention on winning a medal this summer.
They are all on facebook non stop talking to girls and what not during these days and kept saying how they can't wait to leave...This is boring....Only 3 more days...blah blah blah.

It's quite pathetic. Serb mentality. One year you are best. Next year you are worst. :mad:

[Srle]

To me Milutinovic and Mitrovic are all around better players than Sepa. Nikolic has watching that junior tournament in Zemun. Sepa scored 37 points against uninspired FMP team who just won Euroleague.And I can bet that he had some crazy idea that Sepa is some kind of wonder player. This team has no chemistry. We can still qulify for WC if we win two more games.
91 generation(golden cadets)-Musli was go to guy there(mvp) but there was bunch of other good players there Djekic,Andjusic,Vukasovic,Radosavljevic,Jaramaz etc. Some of them are injured. I dont know why they switched coaches of our junior squads:rolleyes: Bad mistake.

[DelijaZauvjek]

To me Milutinovic and Mitrovic are all around better players than Sepa. Nikolic has watching that junior tournament in Zemun. Sepa scored 37 points against uninspired FMP team who just won Euroleague.And I can bet that he had some crazy idea that Sepa is some kind of wonder player. This team has no chemistry. We can still qulify for WC if we win two more games.
91 generation(golden cadets)-Musli was go to guy there(mvp) but there was bunch of other good players there Djekic,Andjusic,Vukasovic,Radosavljevic,Jaramaz etc. Some of them are injured. I dont know why they switched coaches of our junior squads:rolleyes: Bad mistake.


Milutinovic injured his hand. I already talked to him about it. He said he could never find his form.

I have no idea what was wrong with Musli.
Mitrovic played pretty decent.

Isn't Subotic supposed to be fairly talented as well?

[Srle]

He is. But this team is not all ok. Like somebody sugsested,FMP junior team would have fare much better.

[CG]

Lithuania played without Motiejunas, who has left the team to join the U20 guys. With him, it would be a different story, right now though, i guess a medal with barely few chances of it beeing gold.

The ghost of Motiejunas was playing in the game:D

[wardjdim]

Motiejunas will join U20 from playoffs (if they will get there)
With today's win, they are somehow already there. Their group is so crap :D

[KWSN-Men]

Wow, impressive display by Greece in the first quarter in the semi againt Croatia so far. Score is 28-9 after 10 minutes...

[wardjdim]

Pure dominance

[Minotavros]

Damn!
That is brutal

[KWSN-Men]

53-26 at halftime.

[CG]

my god this Greece is awesome.53 -26 the score in halftime.
Some of them are ready to play in high competition.If Greece win today (most probably) the score will go to 25-0 or something.for me give them the gold otherwise will be the robbery of the year

[Minotavros]

It was a walk in the park.

I hope that they will win the gold for Vladimir Jankovic. Things haven't been easy for him in life.

BTW
Kostas Papanikolaou's interview right after the match was sooo funny!!
-We have a matsaki (small game) tomorrow!

HAHAHA

[DelijaZauvjek]

[English or provide a translation]
heheh

Congrats to Greece for dominating the Croats :)

Ummmmm and someone besides Serbia deserves to get gold....every once in a while :p

[Migelitas]

Lithuania beat France 79:55 and will meet Greece in Final.
Motiejūnas 24+7rb, Šležas 17+9rb, Biruta 15.

Šležas first game without double-double at this championship.
Edit - second game. I have forgotten a match versus Israel.

[pablonis]

I think this is the first year for Lithuania, that NT from all age groups are contestants for the final at least. U18 is there already, and both U20 and U16 are expected to get there too.

Remembering the sore parts of current men NT, i'm happy to see that some great PG's are expected to grow out of theese teams:

Janavicius
Vasiliauskas
Peciukevicius

[kecal]

Remembering the sore parts of current men NT, i'm happy to see that some great PG's are expected to grow out of theese teams:

Janavicius
Vasiliauskas
Peciukevicius

^^^ We need them grow really fast...:)

[CG]

i except tomorrow final to be a difficult task fro Greece.Nothing to do with the previous match.Liths will be more ready but Greece is the top team in the tournament no matter what.
I can only imagine if in this team were playing Koufos,Kalathes and Jankovic how would be?:rolleyes:

[Filas]

I can only imagine if in this team were playing Koufos,Kalathes and Jankovic how would be?:rolleyes:


Is Koufos still under 18?

[Remon]

Nope, he would play for the u-20 team, if they would accept him this year.

[Genjuro]

Despite considering Serbia the heavy favourites, I do think now that even the best Serbian version would have hardly been able to match this Greece. They are just outstanding, the addition of Sarikopoulos from the Mannhaim roster is like the missed piece in a perfect puzzle, and they play like veterans.


Nope, he would play for the u-20 team, if they would accept him this year.
If you want to know how the 89/90 generation would fare, you already have last year's results: silver medal.

[lafa]

where to watch final?

[Picek]

where to watch final?
ERT sat

[lafa]

ERT sat

is there a way to watch it over internet?

[LuDux]

http://www.justin.tv/antileech

[Mindozas]

is there a way to watch it over internet?

http://www.fibaeurope.com/video.asp

Also try www.myp2p.eu

I'm glad that greeks made it to the final, cause ERT World will broadcast the game and I have it on TV :p

First game between LT and Greece was quite one sided, Liths managed to get close few times in last qtr (~8-10pts), but greeks keep their coolness and managed to win it quite easily. Also refs made some "intersting" whistles, but that was not why greeks won :) They were better that day. Today I expect closer game, greeks are made strong favorites to win and I guess that could cause them some troubles, but if they'll deal with that, then Liths has to play perfect game to grab a gold ;)

[Basket_]

http://www.fibaeurope.com/video.asp
Is it works for you to watch those "Videos available", like Barons - Dexia?

[rikhardur]

Is it works for you to watch those "Videos available", like Barons - Dexia?
It works fine here.

[Basket_]

It works fine here.
Hmm, not working for me.. :(
Edit: Now it's started to work :)

[CG]

sorry guys my mistake Koufos and Kalathes are 89guys.

[rikhardur]

Croatia gets the bronze medal by beating France 73-68. Mario Delaš 18 pts + 14 rebs for the Croats, Nicholas Lang led the French with 15 pts.

[pablonis]

The hall is packed and the atmosphere sounds promising, which is great. Everything is in Greece's favour and i hope that will work against them in the end

[Picek]

The hall is packed and the atmosphere sounds promising, which is great. Everything is in Greece's favour and i hope that will work against them in the endso far it looks like they left their balls in locker room..
you can see on their faces they are frightened..
0/10 from the field so far after 6 minutes of play..
9 minutes without a point from the field..
and two fg made in the last minute were layups..
Lithuanians are no better either..
horrible game so far..

[Straight forward]

Motiejunas will be a huge player.

[Picek]

Motiejunas will be a huge player.he is 2,12 already :p
edit: what a nice block by him..

Sloukas statisticly may be a better player so far (on the championship) but I'll bet my ass that Pappas will be a bigger player..
he looks uninterested and sleepy but he looks to have it all..

Greece up by 2 at HT..

[CG]

in a terrible game the worst of the Greek team Greece lead by 2.
Motiejunas has big potencial ofcourse thats why he goes to U20 championship.On the other side Pappas 2 3points shoots were amazing.
Greece stress destroying their game.But i think the second half will be a different story even if the game will have nothing to do like the previous one.

[Sss]

he is 2,12 already :p
edit: what a nice block by him..

Sloukas statisticly may be a better player so far (on the championship) but I'll bet my ass that Pappas will be a bigger player..
he looks uninterested and sleepy but he looks to have it all..

Greece up by 2 at HT..

he is 215 actually already. (fibaeurope lies :D )
It was like this for him 206, 210, 213. And I already knew that this year he will be 215, as the next one 216. :D

[rikhardur]

Looks like Greece will clinch it. Liths looked more disorganised and generally nervous. Good defense by the Greeks.

Edit: Congratulations Greece! Deserved title.

[pablonis]

Silver two years ago and now again the same....

Cong. Greece ;)


Atleast we threw you out in the U20'ies just today :p

[CG]

fare title for Greece.We were surely the best of the tournament.Even in an awful final this team managed to win.Sloukas,Pappas,Papanikolaou,Sarikopoulos have big future.I hope Greek clubs give them the change they deserve.
Congratulations to Lithuania for the second medal.Was the only team that played decently against Greece.

[Minotavros]

An awful game by Greece. We won the gold in the end, but that is not important. This isn't what junior competition is about.

The important thing is that there are 6-7 players with skills and potential to become good players at the mens level. Now how many will live up to their potential is another question.
It will be interesting to follow their development the following 2-4 years.

[Mindozas]

Damn, what a poor coaching by Masalskis today. Why the hell he kept Motiejunas all 40min and Slezas 36min (substituded him only 4min till the end, when he was needed on the court). It was obvious that Motiejunas was already sooo tired in the final mins of 3rd qtr, Slezas was underperforming today and looked wasted too. Why don't give them the rest for a minute or few during the qtr and let Staniulis or Kairys play. Just like greek coach did with their main players. I didn't understand that...

Anyway, silver is really good for us, guys did a great job.

And congrats to Greece, deserved win ;)

[Minotavros]

Damn, what a poor coaching by Masalskis today. Why the hell he kept Motiejunas all 40min and Slezas 36min (substituded him only 4min till the end, when he was needed on the court). It was obvious that Motiejunas was already sooo tired in the final mins of 3rd qtr, Slezas was underperforming today and looked wasted too. Why don't give them the rest for a minute or few during the qtr and let Staniulis or Kairys play. Just like greek coach did with their main players. I didn't understand that...

Anyway, silver is really good for us, guys did a great job.

And congrats to Greece, deserved win ;)

Motiejunas (and Slezas) could hardly walk the last minutes. I don't understand why you guys want him to play in the U-20 EC. The guy needs rest. It looks like he has problems with his knee as well

[Sss]

Motiejunas (and Slezas) could hardly walk the last minutes. I don't understand why you guys want him to play in the U-20 EC. The guy needs rest. It looks like he has problems with his knee as well

maybe, because without him the U-20 doesn't have individual offensive potential in the frontline.
I am sure, that knowing the opponents on our side in U-20, Samulenas will give him some time to rest and to adapt.

[Basket_]

Congrats to Greeks for deserved gold. Also our players made great job reaching final. Btw, Motiejunas got MVP prize.

[AlbionGate]

Congratulation to Greece. Great team chemistry, moreover without Giankovits.

Now I have to pack my clothes, I'm on holidays and I will go to Korfou in Greece.

[auris1]

Yes, it wasn’t a very nice game to watch .And I had a gut feeling that Greeks were to win. Unfortunately for us, this was as if we lost the game .For once refereeing was good, but home crowd and some none existing coaching (seriously ,all I could hear was “do not foul ,do not foul “ – and you need a bit more to win a game ) decided for Greece.
And what was up with that cool dude image having sunglasses on the top of his head?
I managed to catch the end of Masalskis playing carrier – and that dude could dribble, believe me .And he would be doing that happily for about 25 seconds on the half line surrounded by the 3 opposition players and then would try to shoot and if not successful only then would pass a ball. He had a very nice and soft shot, second only in my opinion to Linkevicius. Very selfish, if you ask me .He was under Garastas so probably you have to have that in mind as well for playing his top players 40 minutes a game which was defining feature in garastas couching style.
And I saw Croats celebrating like crazy after clinching bronze medals, so silver doesn’t look so bad after all especially knowing that with a record 5-3 some teams would be happy to be in top 8.

[Srle]

Congrat to Greece.

[auris1]

Even the captain of the under 18 Lithuanian national team Peciukevicius admitted -
“ gal nesibaudavom reikiamu momentu “ –we didn’t foul at the right time .
That’s regarding my previous post.

Now a few quotes from Masalskis interview:
From the bottom of my heart I can say, that our team wasn’t the strongest … (nice confidence boost for the young lads)
We have left to achieve impossible and to get a maximum, and I think we did it.
And yet another example of his defeatist attitude –
Only chance to beat Greece was to play them on neutral ground.

[jugoplastika]

Mario Delaš 18 pts + 14 rebs for the Croats

I know him, we played together and won second place in high-school championship of Split four years ago... :)
He was very talented, but also slow...:p Now it seems that he is doing very well. :cool:
Good luck to him.

Congrats to Greece.