Cesafi 2008

[thadzonline]

he told me his friend is bringing him for tryouts at la lasalle, but isnt it that if he joins la salle, he would have to sit out for 1 year? or no ? plus NCAA has a max age limit of 23 right ? BTW, he did his high school in cebu.

is there anything to be gained other than be a practice player at la salle ? (because of the NCAA 23 yrs old age limit) unless he is just going to la salle for serious studies with basketball coming in second. your opinions?

yeah, he sits out at least 1 year in either UAAP or NCAA. Besides he will have a lot of competition at his position in DLSU or any of the top 5 UAAP schools(AdMU, UE, FEU, UST).

[alex15]

yeah, he sits out at least 1 year in either UAAP or NCAA. Besides he will have a lot of competition at his position in DLSU or any of the top 5 UAAP schools(AdMU, UE, FEU, UST).

Thadz, Is the last name of UV's 6'9 recruit start with the letter T?

[thadzonline]

Thadz, Is the last name of UV's 6'9 recruit start with the letter T?

Who Kenneth Thomas? lols

[thadzonline]

CESAFI named their selection to play in hongkong.
Here are the names that I heard part of the team:

1. Greg Slaughter - UV 6'11" C
2. Junmar Fajardo - UC 6'9" C
3. Eulogio Lasala Jr. - UV 6'3" F
4. Manny Gabas - USJR 6'5" FC
5. Ranulfo Malinao Jr. - USJR 6'4" FC
6. Lyndon Gudez - USJR 5'11" G
7. Moncrief Rogado - USPF 6'1" G
8. Luther Luke Justiniani - USJR 6'2" G
9. Ricmar Perturbos - DBC 6'5" F
10. Chris Diputado - UV 5'9" G
11. Jabe Kristewart Delfino - USJR 6'3" F
12. Armand Ponce - USJR 5'9" F
13. Eluid Poligrates - SWU 5'11" G
14. Von Lanete - UV 5'11" G
15. Mikee Cabahug - UV 6'2" G

I think the core of players are from UV and USJR. while rest are top players from their team. I was hoping they will get Emel Rowe of USC, Sherwin Abobo of CIT , Kevyn Quilantang or Robinson Mohammad of UC.

What's Mikee Cabahug doing in that All-Star lineup? they should have taken in Krist pao instead

[nardy]

What's Mikee Cabahug doing in that All-Star lineup? they should have taken in Krist pao instead

Sorry but some of the players that were supposed to be included had to be scratched as they have no Passports on hand. Processing of passports take some time especially if the required documents needed are not in order.

And being the son of the Head Coach had it's advantages.

[ankle breaker]

i saw rino berame with his GF in one of the BDO branch Lapu-lapu just this morning. is he still with the cebu niños team of liga? looks like he's out of shape.

[alex15]

Who Kenneth Thomas? lols

Yeah....Why? they have the same desciption..

[thadzonline]

Sorry but some of the players that were supposed to be included had to be scratched as they have no Passports on hand. Processing of passports take some time especially if the required documents needed are not in order.

And being the son of the Head Coach had it's advantages.

well yeah, but considering SWU already has passports from the BAp-sponsored trip to China not so long ago for winning NBTC 62, I wouldve wished to see Alfred Belande or Cleford Maguate:D

[thadzonline]

Yeah....Why? they have the same desciption..

i dunno, the only guy with a surname starting with a T and has some Filipinoi lineage that comes to mind. Guy is only listed at 6'7 though and around 1/8 Pinoy lols

[Blackie]

i saw rino berame with his GF in one of the BDO branch Lapu-lapu just this morning. is he still with the cebu niños team of liga? looks like he's out of shape.
He played a pre-season game with the ninos last week. I think he got 17 pts. But no mention of Rodriguez, Luga, or Mepana.

[alex15]

i dunno, the only guy with a surname starting with a T and has some Filipinoi lineage that comes to mind. Guy is only listed at 6'7 though and around 1/8 Pinoy lols

They told me that he is an standout in high school...Do you have any scouting report in this guy?:D

[manu_bol]

looks like the hongkong tourney is more competitive that the china tournament.

it is like the sea games with the thai and SG NTs but with an experienced HK NT, the south asian powerhouse, and an athletic team from the states...

[nardy]

looks like the hongkong tourney is more competitive that the china tournament.

it is like the sea games with the thai and SG NTs but with an experienced HK NT, the south asian powerhouse, and an athletic team from the states...

that's also my perception .... GS and JF I think could have a better exposure in the HK tilt as it has a more tougher opposition.

[rhk111]

For the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup in Hongkong
1. Hong Kong National Basketball Team
2. Indian National Basketball Team
3. Philippine National Basketball Team
4. Singapore National Basketball Team
5. Southern California Fukienese Assn. Basketball Team of the USA
6. Thailand National Basketball Team

2008 China-ASEAN CBO (Chinese Amateur Basketball Open) Basketball Invitational
-it's not yet clear yet but according to news reports, participating teams will come from the asean region plus a team from china and former russian territory such as kazakhstan.

First, are those really the OFFICIAL National Teams of those countries, or just a selection from gad knows what league, then marketed as "National Teams"?

Second, even if they are really official NTs, India and Hong Kong aren't exactly basketball powerhouse teams. Tthe Thai NT, for example, was one of the teams the PBL All-Star Team bamboozled by an average of 40+ points per game in the last SEA Games.

[ankle breaker]

if the teams are indeed true national teams of those countries, then it's a good exposure for the CESAFI selection. But it's more beneficial for Greg and Junmar to just instead play for the toroman's team in china to see how far they can go under toroman's system.

[manu_bol]

First, are those really the OFFICIAL National Teams of those countries, or just a selection from gad knows what league, then marketed as "National Teams"?

Second, even if they are really official NTs, India and Hong Kong aren't exactly basketball powerhouse teams. Tthe Thai NT, for example, was one of the teams the PBL All-Star Team bamboozled by an average of 40+ points per game in the last SEA Games.


expect the chinese tournament to be worse...


why not toroman's team to play in HK?
air 21 played there before, right?

[rhk111]

expect the chinese tournament to be worse...


I doubt it will be worst. I don't think MVP will allow Toroman to go on such international training, just to face mediocre opponents.

Besides, between the SBP's blessing from FIBA, and Toroman's international connections, I think they will find worthwhile opponents there. Maybe CBA Youth teams, or even CBA teams themselves.

[thadzonline]

we are making guesses(well of course considering circumstances) but Hopefully somebody gives us a list of the rosters of both tourneys and see which one is really a better tournament

[erektus]

Hi, erektus here. Haven't lurked in these forums for over a year. =P

I'm a pinoy OFW based in HK and I've watched previous editions of the Super Kung Sheung Cup here, especially the more recent ones where Air21 represented the Philippines.

I think the HK tourney is more competitive than the one in China. The one in China will most likely involve provincial club teams, whose quality can be very mixed (the presence of tall players is assured, though).

You can at least be sure that the HK tourney is of SEABA-calibre. All national teams participating here are legit NTs (except for the Philippines, thanks to the inept leadership at BAP, which insists on calling the CESAFI selection the "National Team of the Philippines" in their PR).

You can see the CESAFI line-up here...

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/index.htm

The links are in Chinese, but if you click on the pull-down menu on top (second from left), you can see the line-ups of each team.

Don't belittle the HK and Singapore NTs. HK has routinely beaten Air21 and, like the Singapore NT, plays like a poor man's Korean NT -- with lots of quick drives, kick-outs and sharp three-point shooting.

Their drawback is that, since they're quite young, they tend to get intimidated by the veterans of Air21 (especially Arboleda's angas and gulang moves). I'm not sure if they will get intimidated by a bunch of college boys from Cebu, though.

The toughest team on this tourney, though, is the South California Fukienese Team, which is composed of Chinese-American NCAA Div 3 ballers and backstopped by several Americans (blacks and whites) and even a couple of sweet-shooting Fil-Ams (watch out for Ferdinand Aquino, a Ronald Tubid play-alike). They've beaten Air21 in the past and is good enough to compete with any PBA team given the heft of their frontline players and the shooting prowess of their guards.

I'm not sure how the CESAFI Selection (minus GS) will fare in this tourney (refs can be very partial against pinoys) organized by the HKABA, which is controlled by the faction of ex-FIBA pressy (and known BAP ally) Carl Menky Ching. But rest assured I will be there to support our Cebuano brothers.

cheers

[manu_bol]

Hi, erektus here. Haven't lurked in these forums for over a year. =P

I'm a pinoy OFW based in HK and I've watched previous editions of the Super Kung Sheung Cup here, especially the more recent ones where Air21 represented the Philippines.

I think the HK tourney is more competitive than the one in China. The one in China will most likely involve provincial club teams, whose quality can be very mixed (the presence of tall players is assured, though).

You can at least be sure that the HK tourney is of SEABA-calibre. All national teams participating here are legit NTs (except for the Philippines, thanks to the inept leadership at BAP, which insists on calling the CESAFI selection the "National Team of the Philippines" in their PR).

You can see the CESAFI line-up here...

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/index.htm

The links are in Chinese, but if you click on the pull-down menu on top (second from left), you can see the line-ups of each team.

Don't belittle the HK and Singapore NTs. HK has routinely beaten Air21 and, like the Singapore NT, plays like a poor man's Korean NT -- with lots of quick drives, kick-outs and sharp three-point shooting.

Their drawback is that, since they're quite young, they tend to get intimidated by the veterans of Air21 (especially Arboleda's angas and gulang moves). I'm not sure if they will get intimidated by a bunch of college boys from Cebu, though.

The toughest team on this tourney, though, is the South California Fukienese Team, which is composed of Chinese-American NCAA Div 3 ballers and backstopped by several Americans (blacks and whites) and even a couple of sweet-shooting Fil-Ams (watch out for Ferdinand Aquino, a Ronald Tubid play-alike). They've beaten Air21 in the past and is good enough to compete with any PBA team given the heft of their frontline players and the shooting prowess of their guards.

I'm not sure how the CESAFI Selection (minus GS) will fare in this tourney (refs can be very partial against pinoys) organized by the HKABA, which is controlled by the faction of ex-FIBA pressy (and known BAP ally) Carl Menky Ching. But rest assured I will be there to support our Cebuano brothers.

cheers

this proves my point...

c'mon, the sbp can send toroman's team to other more competitive tournaments instead of the china tournament. is sbp joining the china tourney just because it is held at the same time with the bap's HK tourney???

[artful[D]odger]

we are gonna get slammed.. i still think its a good op for us as players good experience and i know everyones going to comeout and leave it all on the court .. but from the way this tourneys being described its gonna be a big task for all of us.. good luck anyway

[manu_bol]

odger']we are gonna get slammed.. i still think its a good op for us as players good experience and i know everyones going to comeout and leave it all on the court .. but from the way this tourneys being described its gonna be a big task for all of us.. good luck anyway

hey mr. rowe! it would be nice seeing you play together with slaugher and fajardo. has the team started practice for the HK tourney?

[artful[D]odger]

whose mr rowe? .. you better hope theyve started practice.. the toruneys in 3 days! :P i know slaughter isnt playing ..but junmar is

[The_Big_Cat]

Has Von Lanete used up his eligibility in Cesafi?:confused:
He's currently in the reserve roster of Harbour in the PBL.

[b3lowzro]

Has Von Lanete used up his eligibility in Cesafi?:confused:
He's currently in the reserve roster of Harbour in the PBL.

i wonder why does Cesafi does that, wouldn't that make the player better and hopefully elevate the league's complexion of the game? I bet a better solution would is that have a contract with the player to never transfer to other school here in the metro rather than that.

[rhk111]

Don't belittle the HK and Singapore NTs. HK has routinely beaten Air21 and, like the Singapore NT, plays like a poor man's Korean NT -- with lots of quick drives, kick-outs and sharp three-point shooting.

The toughest team on this tourney, though, is the South California Fukienese Team, which is composed of Chinese-American NCAA Div 3 ballers and backstopped by several Americans (blacks and whites) and even a couple of sweet-shooting Fil-Ams (watch out for Ferdinand Aquino, a Ronald Tubid play-alike). They've beaten Air21 in the past and is good enough to compete with any PBA team given the heft of their frontline players and the shooting prowess of their guards.


I don't agree that Singapore is strong NT. I am basing this on their last performance in the SEA Games, where they were one of the teams the PBL All-Star teams beat by an average of 40 points.

Unless they come into this tournament with imports.

As for the HK NT, same thing: I don't remember them to be among the teams in the 2007 FIBA-Asia Men's Basketball tournament. Did they even qualify? I don't think so.

As for Air21, I don't really put a lot of emphasis on exhibition games. To me, the results of such tournaments are not a good gauge on how strong or weak a team is. It's just an exhibition match, nothing more than practice game with other teams.

As for US-NCAA Division III players, well, some of them might be good, but most of them I think will not be good. That has been the experience with Fil-Ams coming from there. A few has been good enough to play in the PBA. PBL, but most simply bust out.

[nardy]

I don't agree that Singapore is strong NT. I am basing this on their last performance in the SEA Games, where they were one of the teams the PBL All-Star teams beat by an average of 40 points.

Unless they come into this tournament with imports.

As for the HK NT, same thing: I don't remember them to be among the teams in the 2007 FIBA-Asia Men's Basketball tournament. Did they even qualify? I don't think so.

As for Air21, I don't really put a lot of emphasis on exhibition games. To me, the results of such tournaments are not a good gauge on how strong or weak a team is. It's just an exhibition match, nothing more than practice game with other teams.

As for US-NCAA Division III players, well, some of them might be good, but most of them I think will not be good. That has been the experience with Fil-Ams coming from there. A few has been good enough to play in the PBA. PBL, but most simply bust out.

there were news sometime ago that HK and Singapore recruited tall mainlanders who were barely in their teens that are to be introduced as "locals". They could have become more matured already and would be ready to play by this time. In the last few editions of the Youth competitions of FIBA-Asia, HK was slowly climbing the ladder. In 2004 Hong Kong actually finished at 6th place much higher than the Philippines 13th place. Key Members of that Philippine team were Jervy Cruz, Dylan Ababou and Mark Canlas. Jason Castro, James Martinez and Ogie Menor were supposed to be part of that team but begged-off due to the on-going NCAA/UAAP season that year.

[erektus]

The HK NT would get massacred by a PBA-backed RP Team, but can compete well against our amateur and collegiate players. Their style of play is similar to the Koreans, although talent-wise they are just about the same level as Malaysia. Singapore is a notch lower, but they can surprise you and have the ability to pull off an upset.

Mind you, Air21 did not treat these games like an exhibition match. When close to half of the coliseum audience is composed of rabid OFWs and pinoy expats, how can they let their countrymen down? The other half being our HK masters and employers.

Hence, they always play their hearts out whenever they play against HK. But bum calls from biased refs and the contrast in playing styles forced them into late-game collapses against HK.

[manu_bol]

I don't agree that Singapore is strong NT. I am basing this on their last performance in the SEA Games, where they were one of the teams the PBL All-Star teams beat by an average of 40 points.

Unless they come into this tournament with imports.

As for the HK NT, same thing: I don't remember them to be among the teams in the 2007 FIBA-Asia Men's Basketball tournament. Did they even qualify? I don't think so.

As for Air21, I don't really put a lot of emphasis on exhibition games. To me, the results of such tournaments are not a good gauge on how strong or weak a team is. It's just an exhibition match, nothing more than practice game with other teams.

As for US-NCAA Division III players, well, some of them might be good, but most of them I think will not be good. That has been the experience with Fil-Ams coming from there. A few has been good enough to play in the PBA. PBL, but most simply bust out.



the HK NT placed 13th of 16 in tokushima 2007. they beat middle eastern teams like syria, UAE, and kuwait. this team is experienced internationally, unlike toroman's team....

there's no argument here... the more competitive league is in HK, not in china. actually, the sbp can do better than that. they can send toroman's team to other tournaments and not waste money on the china trip. and better yet, the sbp should take charge in the HK tourney. they are the legitimate NSA for RP basketball, right?

i think they only chose to join the china tournament because it is held almost at the same time with the BAP's HK tourney.

[thadzonline]

the HK NT placed 13th of 16 in tokushima 2007. they beat middle eastern teams like syria, UAE, and kuwait. this team is experienced internationally, unlike toroman's team....

there's no argument here... the more competitive league is in HK, not in china. actually, the sbp can do better than that. they can send toroman's team to other tournaments and not waste money on the china trip. and better yet, the sbp should take charge in the HK tourney. they are the legitimate NSA for RP basketball, right?

i think they only chose to join the china tournament because it is held almost at the same time with the BAP's HK tourney.

the HK tournament as mentioned somewhere is organized by people affiliated to former ABC(or was it FIBA Asia) sec-gen Carl Menky Ching, a known Graham Lim-leaning fellow

[erektus]

I watched the first set of games last night...

SCFA beat India, 87-81
HK beat Singapore, 102-43

Here are my thoughts...

SCFA has a couple of athletic African-Americans who wowed the local crowd with a variety of slam dunks, some sweet-shooting whiteys and a few role-playing Chinese-American utility players.

But their most impressive player is their starting PG -- a Filipino-American named CJ Ramos -- who is built like Wynne Arboleda but plays like a pass-first Jimmy Alapag. He was either running over his defenders using his bulk, or sliding past them with ankle-breakers the way Might Mouse does it. The other Fil-Am, Ferdinand Aquino, did not play much but did sink a couple of treys.

India was a pleasant surprise. They fought the Americans toe-to-toe and even had a couple of 6'9 to 7'0 players who swatted away potential slams by their opponents. They still lack talent, overall, but they play with a lot of heart. The future looks bright for India. They have the potential to be another Iran in the making.

Singapore apparently sent their youth team, a bunch of high school-looking kids who looked too scared to get the ball in their hands. Perhaps their real NT is in China to face Slaughter and company? The HK NT displayed killer instincts and showed no mercy in disposing of the young Singaporeans.

HK has almost a brand-new team, having recruited some talented youth from their Nike Summer Leagues. Gone are their stiff, robotic veterans -- replaced by athletic And1 wannabes and savvier ballhandlers. Their style of play remains mainly drive-kick-and-shoot, though. They still lack the individual "diskarte" and creativity of pinoy ballers. But they play tough man-to-man D.

We left the game at the half of the HK-SG game as it was too lopsided. On the way out, I had a chat with some of the CESAFI players, particularly Emel Rowe.

He said their main concern was the cold weather in HK. Some of the players were already down with cough and colds. They are also trying to get used to the cold basketball venue. In Cebu, he says, the basketball coliseums have no airconditioning! Most of them prefer playing with some heat in the oven! =P

He did promise that they will go all out for the enjoyment of the OFWs here. We're gonna kick some ass, boys!

cheers

[thadzonline]

any news on the CeSAFI team erektus?

[thadzonline]

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/index.htm

latest results:

India beat Thailand 91-66
CeSAFI(Philippines) beat Singapore 75-60

next assignment for CeSAFi is Hong Kong which also beat Singapore 102-43.

[nardy]

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/index.htm

latest results:

India beat Thailand 91-66
CeSAFI(Philippines) beat Singapore 75-60

next assignment for CeSAFi is Hong Kong which also beat Singapore 102-43.

The Hong Kong Team:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/hkt.gif

[nardy]

The CESAFI Selection's probable opponents in the Group Cross-over Semifinals on Dec 20 are either.

The team from India:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/india.gif

or the the team from the US:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/scfa.gif

[nardy]

Here's the CESAFI delegation:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/philippines.gif


Center Gregory Slaughter and guard Ritchum Dennison of the University of the Visayas have been replaced by forward John Emel Rowe of the University of San Carlos and guard Ard Evan Django of Southwestern University.

[kerouac82]

[QUOTE=nardy;231749]The CESAFI Selection's probable opponents in the Group Cross-over Semifinals on Dec 20 are either.

The team from India:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/india.gif

Nice to see that Robinson is playing for India again.

[Alex07]

wow the HK tourney has better opponents than the other one..I hope the SBP could make their own basketball invitational and all our top Collegiate players get to play on one team.I taught this tourney was gonna suck but it turned out to be different.I hope someone has get too look at CJ Ramos and maybe invite him to play here.

[The_Big_Cat]

So, Pechay is still around.

Fajardo's ear looks funny. :D

[RayV]

So, Pechay is still around.

Fajardo's ear looks funny. :D

^And is called the "BAP-SBP President" as well! :D

Honestly, I got quite confused on who's joining where.... different selections for different tournaments... Hay! That BAP and SBP tension just won't go away...

[nardy]

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/files/images/logo_sunstar_cebu.jpg

Cesafi squad beats Singapore, 75-60
Thursday, December 18, 2008

THE Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) basketball squad started off strong in the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup as it moved to the Round of 4 following its 75-60 beating of Singapore last Wednesday at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Hong Kong.

Cesafi made it to the semifinals but will be playing Hong Kong as of press time to determine the ranking in the bracket and to tell which team it will be playing in the crossover semifinals.

Cesafi will face India, Thailand or Southern California Fukienese Association in the next round.

The Cesafi squad leaned on a its strong showing in the second period to put up a good lead and later in the crucial fourth quarter to take its victory.

Southwestern University’s wingman Alfred Belande and University of Cebu’s big man Junmar Fajardo led the charge for the Filipinos as they scattered 15 points each.

In the game, Cesafi was leading by just two points in the first period. The team pulled away for good in the second period, when they scored 16 points, while keeping Singapore at bay with just nine and never looked back from there.

Fajardo had an impressive performance with 15 points, 12 rebounds and three blocks. University of San Jose Recoletos’ Mannie Gabas and Jabe Delfino contributed 11 points apiece for the team. (MCB)

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Cebu Daily News Sports

Cesafi All-stars off to hot start
By Jonas Panerio
First Posted 09:31:00 12/19/2008

The Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) all-star basketball squad showed that it can more than hold its own against any team in the Asian region.

This as the Cebuanos creamed the Singapore national squad, 75-60, in their first game in the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Hong Kong.

The team, which is composed of the best players from the Cesafi, leaned on spirited spurts in the second and fourth periods to pull away from their opponents and kick start their title bid, which continued yesterday with a match against the hometown favorites, Hong Kong. That match was still being played in as of press time.

The Cesafi squad led by just two after the opening period but then, started to pull away in the next canto as they held Singapore to just nine points while scoring 16 of their own to open up a nine point lead, 31-22.

Singapore tried to make a game of it in the second half but were once again repulsed in the fourth stanza where the Cesafi team outscored them, 21-13.

Four players scored in double figures for the Cebu-based team led by the double-double performance of the University of Cebu's (UC) 6-foot-9 big man June Mar Fajardo, who logged in 15 points and 12 rebounds on top of three blocks.

Southwestern University (SWU) swingman Alfred Belande also had 15 points and four steals in 21 minutes of action.

The University of San Jose-Recoletos Jaguars' (USJ-R) combination of Mannie Gabas and Jabe Delfino added 11 points apiece.

The Cesafi team is almost assured of a spot in the crossover semifinals, where they will await the top two squads from group A, comprised of India, Thailand and the Southern California Fukienese Association





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[nardy]

Bad news !!!!

the CESAFI selection lost to the Hong Kong team 86-105
and would be facing the US team in the Semifinals.

[erektus]

The game was more lopsided as the score suggests.

HK led by as much as 32 points at one point in the fourth quarter, beating the Cebuano boys off the dribble and confusing them with kick-out passes, swings and razor-sharp three-point shooting. HK must have converted at least 20 out of 30 three-point shots. They looked almost like a watered-down version of South Korea.

Aside from a rain of treys, HK also beat us with their aggressive man-to-man defense, practically defanging our boys of their "angas". At some point between the second and third quarters, our players looked scared to drive -- I think they were mentally unprepared with the physicality of the HK players. They totally shut down our one-on-one plays. Aggressiveness is a pinoy trademark, but this was totally absent tonight.

We were shouting to tell our players to be more aggressive (pinoy-style!) and the few who heeded the call were rewarded -- Ponce, Gabas and Malinao. Ponce, the littlest man on the court, was all heart.

Junmar scored 22 points, I think, but most of his points came from free throws and offensive putbacks and had difficulty creating his own moves inside the paint. He was double-teamed and hacked relentlessly.

Rowe, sad to say, still looks raw. Each time he got the ball he was looking to pass and was hardly in a position to score. He needs to improve his dribbling and aggressiveness.

From the looks of it, the SCFA team is going to eat our boys for dinner on Saturday. But we have a fighting chance, if and only our boys rediscover that "angas" that seems to have hibernated in the winter cold of HK.


Bad news !!!!

the CESAFI selection lost to the Hong Kong team 86-105
and would be facing the US team in the Semifinals.

[nardy]

^And is called the "BAP-SBP President" as well! :D

Honestly, I got quite confused on who's joining where.... different selections for different tournaments... Hay! That BAP and SBP tension just won't go away...

as long as the Politicians does not stop medling in Sports, this would not go away. And as long as the government has no power in deporting Graham Lim, this problem between BAP and SBP would not just die. Graham seems to be an untouchable being here in the Philippines.

[Dinamita]

impressive stats for Fajardo...

[bullsarethebest]

15 points on 18 shots. yikes junmar

[RetiredJordanStopper]

The game was more lopsided as the score suggests.

HK led by as much as 32 points at one point in the fourth quarter, beating the Cebuano boys off the dribble and confusing them with kick-out passes, swings and razor-sharp three-point shooting. HK must have converted at least 20 out of 30 three-point shots. They looked almost like a watered-down version of South Korea.

Aside from a rain of treys, HK also beat us with their aggressive man-to-man defense, practically defanging our boys of their "angas". At some point between the second and third quarters, our players looked scared to drive -- I think they were mentally unprepared with the physicality of the HK players. They totally shut down our one-on-one plays. Aggressiveness is a pinoy trademark, but this was totally absent tonight.

We were shouting to tell our players to be more aggressive (pinoy-style!) and the few who heeded the call were rewarded -- Ponce, Gabas and Malinao. Ponce, the littlest man on the court, was all heart.

Junmar scored 22 points, I think, but most of his points came from free throws and offensive putbacks and had difficulty creating his own moves inside the paint. He was double-teamed and hacked relentlessly.

Rowe, sad to say, still looks raw. Each time he got the ball he was looking to pass and was hardly in a position to score. He needs to improve his dribbling and aggressiveness.

From the looks of it, the SCFA team is going to eat our boys for dinner on Saturday. But we have a fighting chance, if and only our boys rediscover that "angas" that seems to have hibernated in the winter cold of HK.

dude.. you're back!!!!!

to those who just signed up, Erectus here is the revered playground legend from the courts of Hong Kong. It's always so nice to read his accounts from HK.

welcome back man!!!

[b3lowzro]

The game was more lopsided as the score suggests.


Seems lack of international exposure for our boys? Hopefully they can avenge their loss against that Asian-American team.

hey erektus where in HK are you based? I used to live in midlevels with my aunt and my brit uncle.

[erektus]

Pareng RJS...yes, long time no see, my old friend.

"Revered playground legend"? lol you are being too nice to me. Good to see you again, man.

B3lowzero...the mid-levels is only for taipans and rich people. I live in the old (and poor) side of town in the Western side of HK. =P

But you're right. When we talk about "lack of international exposure", it's almost always about a lack of "mental toughness." This you gain only from experience -- how our players can overcome the "awe" that comes from playing against hostile opponents in a foreign land.

Yes, I'm really hoping they can stand their ground against the Chinese-American team, which plays an even more physical (and trash-talking) game than HK. I hope Bellande can step up.

Good exposure for the CESAFI boys, by the way.

[The_Big_Cat]

as long as the Politicians does not stop medling in Sports, this would not go away. And as long as the government has no power in deporting Graham Lim, this problem between BAP and SBP would not just die. Graham seems to be an untouchable being here in the Philippines.

Perhaps CESAFI has alligned themselves with Pichay's faction?

[nardy]

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Group Stage: Super Kung Sheung Cup
Dec 18, 2008 (by Cheung Suet-pan)

The 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup International Basketball Invitation Championship began at this tuesday. Six teams are seperating in two groups before the semi-finals, which are qualified according to their places in the groups. Hong Kong international team finished in the top of the group with victories over teams Singapore and Philipine. Meanwhile, another favourite of the championship, Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team reamined perfect reord with victories over India and Thailand team.

At the last day of the group games, Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team which defeated India at the first day by 87:81, would require another victory to clinched the first place in the group. However, their opponent Thailand team had an unexpected performence, though they are smaller and inexprienced than the American. They made a little suprise, which the Thai once took the lead with 55-54 when still six minutes left in the 3rd quater. However, Thailand team show inexprienced performence in defence as the top three scorers were all fouling out at the last quater, the game finally was 103-90 in favor to the American. Thai sharp shooter D. Apiromvilaichai fnished 23pts, who was fouled out when 5:39 remaining in the game. Centre Chaiwat Kaedum (190cm,120kg,25yrs) had 15pts, and power forward P.Chet Guedradub (185cm,80kg,22yrs) had 14pts, and both were fouled out. Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team led by forward Andrew David (199cm,96kg,26yrs) with 27pts, shooting gaurd Ray Reed (188cm,84kg,22yrs) with 25pts and two dunks as a present to the crowd.

Hong Kong international team played against Phillipines team in the last group match, which was only exciting in the frist quater, when the young Phillipines team dashed a 14-2 run. However, Hong Kong excellent long range shooting which inclueded, forward Lau Chi Kin's (183cm,29yrs,South China) four first half three pointers, and the buzzer beater there pointer of point guard Lo Yin Ting (175cm,21yrs,South China) made Hong Kong enlarged the winning margin by 20pts with 54-34 at the half. And the second half got no more suprise, and Hong Kong got the victory by 105-86. Filipino big man June Fajardo got 22pts, and was fustrated in the game resulting for a technical foul call.

Hong Kong will face India team in the semi-final game, while Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team will play against Phillipines team on the another side. Singapore team and Thailand team will played for the fifth place of the tournament.

[ankle breaker]

there is a thin chance for the CESAFI selection to reach the finals since they are up against the chinese american team is by far as deadly as the hongkong team. the team consists of more americans than chinese.

[b3lowzro]

there is a thin chance for the CESAFI selection to reach the finals since they are up against the chinese american team is by far as deadly as the hongkong team. the team consists of more americans than chinese.

Isn't ironic that they're called a chinese team while most of their players are whites and filipinos

[pachador]

its possible those filipinos are fookien-chinese. most of the chinese in the philippines are fookien and a lot of them adopted spanish surnames. a lot of them also immigrated to vancouver, toronto and california. i believe in previous years this team had more chinese-american players.



Isn't ironic that they're called a chinese team while most of their players are whites and filipinos

[nardy]

Wow the Hong Kong National Team was able to convert 15 out of 31 three-pointers while the CESAFI Selection had only 2 out out 10 three-pointers,
Hong Kong also had 19 steals and only 12 turnovers while CESAFI had 6 steals and 22 turnovers, that's a huge advantage.

Such stats by the team from Hong Kong does remind me of the South Korean teams. The NBA Youth Camps thought these Hong Kong kids to improve a lot too.

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Hong Kong cagers thrash CESAFI stars
Updated December 20, 2008 12:00 AM

CEBU - The Hong Kong selection defended its turf and brought the CESAFI-RP Team back to earth with a 105-86 rout in the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup International Basketball Invitational Championships at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Hong Kong.

With the win, Hong Kong topped Bracket A, relegating the CESAFI All-Stars to the number two spot.

Tonight, the Cebuanos face another acid test as they go up against Group B leader Southern California Fukienese Association in the crossover semifinals.

Outside shooting was the key factor in Hong Kong's one-sided victory. They made 15 of their 31 3-point bombs, while limiting their foes to five out of 10 attempts from beyond the arc. The visitors from Cebu also missed 10 free throws and committed a horrible 22 turnovers.

June Mar Fajardo topscored for CESAFI with 22 points, while Mannie Gabas backed him up with 17 points. Jabe Delfino and Armand Ponce, both from the USJ-R Jaguars, chipped in 11 and 10 markers, respectively, in a losing cause. (GGM)


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Still in the hunt
By Jonas Panerio
First Posted 08:50:00 12/20/2008

The Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc. (Cesafi) All-Stars could not sustain the momentum they gained from their victory in their first match as they fell to the hometown Hong Kong squad, 86-105, in the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup International Basketball Invitation Championship at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Hong Kong.

Tam Wai Yeung tallied 17 points, six assists, seven rebounds, three steals and two blocks in a stellar all-around performance for Hong Kong, which banked on a strong second quarter to rout the Cebuanos.

The Cesafi squad tried to keep up with the Hong Kong national team in the early goings as they trailed by just two, 22-24, at the end of the first period.

However, the winds suddenly changed as the Cesafi squad crumbled and got outscored heavily, 12-30, giving the hosts a 20-point bulge at the turn, 34-54.

Hong Kong extended the lead to 24 points heading to the final period behind their cohesive teamplay, which saw six players scoring in double figures.

Lo Yi Ting and Lau Chi Kin each had 14 points and combined for eight three-pointers while Chem Kang Hing, Poon Chi Ho and Fong Shing Yee added 12 for Hong Kong.

University of Cebu’s (UC) June Mar Fajardo tried to carry the fight for the RP as he tallied another double-double performance of 22 points and 19 rebounds.

The loss relegated the Cesafi squad to the second spot in group B, and they will face the undefeated Southern California Fukienese Association (SCFA) in the semifinals. SCFA topped group A with two wins in as many games.

They first eked past India , 87-81, before totally annihilating Thailand, 103-13.

The other semifinal pairing will see Hong Kong taking on India, which sneaked into the next round after routing Thailand, 91-66.

[the cool cat]

good stats for JF, 22pts, 19rebs (10 offensive rebounds). he is really going for the rebound specially on the offensive end. good start for him internationally..

[mayfel]

good stats for JF, 22pts, 19rebs (10 offensive rebounds). he is really going for the rebound specially on the offensive end. good start for him internationally..

it's nice to see fajardo played like that..
i hope coach toroman will be able to make fajardo like what he did to haddadi
he is our main 4 guy in the future with so much scoring and rebounding ability

[the cool cat]

i like what JF is showing, he is not afraid to bang bodies against the vets of the other team. but he should control his temper to be very effective. he is more useful in the playing court rather than sitting on the bench due to technical fouls.

[bolabasket]

hope somebody will upload on yutube

[rhk111]

player is their starting PG -- a Filipino-American named CJ Ramos -- who is built like Wynne Arboleda but plays like a pass-first Jimmy Alapag. He was either running over his defenders using his bulk, or sliding past them with ankle-breakers the way Might Mouse does it. The other Fil-Am, Ferdinand Aquino, did not play much but did sink a couple of treys.


I think we should keep tabs of this guy.

[nardy]

GREAT NEWS GUYS !!!!!!!! The CESAFI Selection had just beaten the Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team 74-64 and would be playing in the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME at Dec 21, 2008 1:30pm. In said game they'll be meeting again the Hong Kong National Team which routed the team from India 88-56 in the other Semi-final game.



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CESAFI stars make final in Hong Kong caging
Updated December 22, 2008 12:00 AM

CEBU - A day after suffering a bad fall against Hong Kong, the visiting CESAFI All-Star RP Team quickly bounced back with a 74-64 drubbing of the Southern California Fukienese Association (SCFA) to advance into the final of the 17th Kung Seung International Invitational Championships at the Queen Elizabeth Stadium in Hong Kong.

June Mar Fajardo, the 6-foot-8 beanpole from the University of Cebu (UC) Webmasters, muscled his way against the solid defense of SCFA cagers to topscore CESAFI with 16 points. He was also a major factor as CESAFI outrebounded SCFA, 50-33.

Fajardo had a better positioning down low and as a result, he was on the receiving end of the nifty assists and drop passes by guards Armand Ponce of the University of San Jose-Recoletos (USJ-R) Jaguars and Ard Diango of the Southwestern University (SWU) Cobras.

In turn, Ponce and Diango also took part in the offense to finish with 13 and 12 markers, respectively.

Mannie Gabas and Ranulfo Malinao, both of USJ-R Jaguars, chipped in 21 points combined.

After trailing by nine points at halftime, 28-37, SCFA pulled within 56-58 at the end of the third period, but Fajardo and the rest of the CESAFI juggernauts unleashed a strong endgame kick, 16-8, to clinch the seal the win.

Andrew David led the SCFA with 28 points, while Ray Reed, who played the entire 40 minutes, scored 18.

The CESAFI stalwarts face an uphill battle in their title showdown with Hong Kong, the team that demolished them by 19 points last Friday.

The scores

CESAFI All-Star (74) - Fajardo 16, Ponce 13, Diango 12, Gabas 11, Malinao 10, Delfino 4, Lasala 4, Diputado 2, Rogado 2

SFCA (64) -David 28, Reed 18, Rinehart 8, Chuang 4, Esterbrook 2, Aquino 2, Liu 2 Halftime: 48-37

(GGM)

[erektus]

What a game this was, a complete turnaround from their first game vs. HK, where our boys played with intimidation and hesitation. This time around, they played with decisiveness and pure heart.

The game was closer than the score suggests and was exciting from start to finish, with lots of slam dunks from SCFA's African-Americans (check out Ray Reed on YouTube; he once beat Le Bron James in a game of H-O-R-S-E) and derring-do drives from our own "little" boys (Ponce and Django).

Our guards carried this game for us. Imagine 5'6 Ponce being guarded by 6'1 Reed and 5'8' Django/Diputado being guarded by 6'7 Andrew David. The Americans were quick enough to keep step for sure, but our guards played with a lot of "utak" and "diskarte" and composure and did not let the trash-talking Americans intimidate them. Ponce and Django even took it all the way to the hoop several times, while expertly maneuvering their layups to avoid the near-sure block attempts by the high-flying Americans!

Junmar was a defensive presence presence in the paint. Three big men rotated on him -- 6'8 Rinehart, 6'7 David and 6'7 Chuang. Although he had trouble getting his tip-ins, he was collaring rebounds with tenacity despite the box-outs. He even blocked a couple of dunk attempts by the Americans.

The rest of the crew, Gabas, Malinao and Delfino provided the hustle and garbage points for us. Great teamwork! It was a beautiful game to watch. The Cebuano boys surprised everyone last night.

To be fair, SCFA's star PG CJ Ramos did not play the first three quarters (he was a bit hurt and the coach wanted to rest him and save him for the HK game, thinking they could easily dispose of us without Ramos). When he was finally fielded in the fourth quarter, the audience roared in applause (he was last year's MVP). But by then, Ponce and our guards were too cocksure to be awed by Ramos' playground moves. Ponce even swiped the ball from Ramos at one point, like stealing candy from a baby.

After the game, we called out to Ponce. He looked up and with a nod of approval, pointed his finger not to the big CESAFI name embalazoned across the front of his jersey, but to the little Philippine flag etched just over the top of his heart.

Nice.

[nardy]

After the game, we called out to Ponce. He looked up and with a nod of approval, pointed his finger not to the big CESAFI name embalazoned across the front of his jersey, but to the little Philippine flag etched just over the top of his heart.

Nice.



TO HONG KONG THE CESAFI SELECTION IS TEAM PILIPINAS


WE MIGHT BE SMALL BUT WE PLAY BIG !!!!

Mabuhay ang TEAM PILIPINAS !!!!

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[manu_bol]

Junmar was a defensive presence presence in the paint. Three big men rotated on him -- 6'8 Rinehart, 6'7 David and 6'7 Chuang. Although he had trouble getting his tip-ins, he was collaring rebounds with tenacity despite the box-outs. He even blocked a couple of dunk attempts by the Americans.



impressive showing by JF against a physical and quick opposition. in the future, we will see a JF and JA, both 6'9, alternating at PF position for the NT. wow, the future looks bright for team pilipinas.

[nardy]

impressive showing by JF against a physical and quick opposition. in the future, we will see a JF and JA, both 6'9, alternating at PF position for the NT. wow, the future looks bright for team pilipinas.

but JF needs to improve his passing ability, his peripheral vision is a bit weak and fails to make kick-out passes whenever he get's double-teamed. And he must learn to play power forward, talking to Junmar he says he is comfortable in playing as center and the main man. Maybe after he get's into the tutelage of Rajko Toroman, he would learn more.

[nardy]

it's bad .... bad .... bad ...... the CESAFI Selection had no solution for the Hong Kong National Team and ended-up in 2nd place after getting beat by the host team 61-100.

am SAD .... i could accept defeat but not with this big of a margin, it is a bit of dissapointing.

Pareng erektus ..... maybe you give us the blow-by-blow account of the game, on how the HK team was able to dominate the all-star collegians from Cebu.

for those who want to know, SCFA gained 3rd place after they beat India 87-68.

Emel had the correct prediction ............


odger;231104']we are gonna get slammed....

at least this proves, we really need to do a lot as the rest of Asia is also improving with their basketball. It does not mean that now that we are doing ways to improve our international game that our Asian neighbors would just stand still ....

[erektus]

That's right. Coach Cabahug could not find a solution against HK's patient, patient, patient offense. They shoot when there's only 8 secs left in the shot clock and more often than not, it's an open three pointer.

And when your opponents are hitting almost 70% of their three point attempts, you are bound to get buried early.

We beat the Chinese-American team because we play a similar uptempo game and lack three-point shooting. The HK NT's style, like South Korea, is our "kontra-pelo".

To be fair, our boys fought with grit and heart but were just too small and too thin (pound-for-pound) against their more muscular defenders. They could not handle HK's tenacious and highly physical defense (with a lot of tolerance from the refs, of course).

HK also had a mesmerizing switching defense that left no opening. They've beaten their opponents here by an average of 30+ points on this formula: Three point shooting and hard-nosed defense.

They've improved a lot, but they're still only good for 10th-12th places at the FIBA-Asia level.

[nardy]

That's right. Coach Cabahug could not find a solution against HK's patient, patient, patient offense. They shoot when there's only 8 secs left in the shot clock and more often than not, it's an open three pointer.

And when your opponents are hitting almost 70% of their three point attempts, you are bound to get buried early.

We beat the Chinese-American team because we play a similar uptempo game and lack three-point shooting. The HK NT's style, like South Korea, is our "kontra-pelo".

To be fair, our boys fought with grit and heart but were just too small and too thin (pound-for-pound) against their more muscular defenders. They could not handle HK's tenacious and highly physical defense (with a lot of tolerance from the refs, of course).

HK also had a mesmerizing switching defense that left no opening. They've beaten their opponents here by an average of 30+ points on this formula: Three point shooting and hard-nosed defense.

They've improved a lot, but they're still only good for 10th-12th places at the FIBA-Asia level.


I read from somewhere that the new generation of basketball players of Hong Kong are much more taller and talented from that in the past and they are no longer of the stiff kind. A lot of the kids there are exposed to a lot of basketball camps not only in HK and China but I heard some had also participated in the more popular camps in the US. Actually the sports media in China are expecting the team from HK to improve their FIBA ranking in the coming years. It just shows that a good physical defense and accurate outside shooting can make a team make-up for whatever mismatch they have against their opponents.

[DADCHAD]

Hi guys,
New in the community as well as in this forum.

Can't help to join & post in this forum, i am really very proud of my small but great player brother... Armand Ponce..:D
I am really happy to know that he is able to contribute to his team in trying to win all their games.

Thanks bro erektus for this post & nice review.
I am really very proud & happy for my brothers achievement.
He is a good & very down to earth person.

"After the game, we called out to Ponce. He looked up and with a nod of approval, pointed his finger not to the big CESAFI name embalazoned across the front of his jersey, but to the little Philippine flag etched just over the top of his heart.
Nice."

Thanks again for the heads-up bro & Advance Merry Christmas to you & your family back there in HK! :):)

[DADCHAD]

Bro erektus do you have the stats of the last game?
Any details of the final game & how was it compared to the SCFA game yesterday? Hope to see some video clips also of their games soon.:)

[nardy]

Hi guys,
New in the community as well as in this forum.
Can't help to join & post this forum since i am really very proud of my small but great player brother... Armand Ponce..:D
I am really happy to know that he is able to contribute to his team in trying to win all their games.

Thanks bro erektus for this post & nice review. I am really very proud & happy for my brothers achiement bro!! Di bale ng maliit bastat nakakatulong sa team..:) Very down to earth yang batang yan at napakabait.

"After the game, we called out to Ponce. He looked up and with a nod of approval, pointed his finger not to the big CESAFI name embalazoned across the front of his jersey, but to the little Philippine flag etched just over the top of his heart.
Nice."

Wala pa ba result bro sa Champioship nila sa team hongkong kanina umaga??
Sana nanalo sila bro! God spead...!!

Thanks again sa heads-up bro & Advance Merry Christmas to you & your family back there in HK! :):)


oppppssssss.....posted na pala result talo sila waaaa.....!!!
Well, in this kind of game specially being played outside the Phils, kalimitan talaga taga doon din nananalo.
Maliban kasi sa homecourt avantage, yung climate at yung inveronment ay nakakabigay din ng dis-advantage sa mga players natin like lamig at crowd.

Ok lang, i think they had a good game din naman siguro kahit natalo sila.
Ganyan talaga ang buhay, di bale sa susunod nalang ulit...:):)

bro .... in this forum the rules and guidelines require that we write in straight English or that you include an English translation. Please note and do edit your earlier posting.

[nardy]

erektus on a side note, what is your evaluation on the performance of Emel Rowe in the just concluded tournament there in HK. A lot of people here at home would like to know. Sometimes, a players performance is not actually reflected on the stats ..... just want to know what you can say about Emel. Thanks

[DADCHAD]

bro .... in this forum the rules and guidelines require that we right in straight English or that you include an English translation. Please note and do edit your earlier posting.

my bad bro, thanks for reminding me. i'll edit the earlier post now.
thanks again.:)

[patay-butiki]

Congrats to the CESAFI selection! Placing 2nd here and winning over an American selection is more than expected. The way the Hongkong NT played, i think even Toroman's team will be hard-pressed to win the tournament.

[nardy]

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Cebu Basketball in 2008
BLEACHER TALK By Rico Navarro
Updated December 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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CEBU – As we look back at Cebu Basketball in 2008, we can say that we’re happy with what we saw. While there were some “expecteds,” there also was a pleasant surprise coming out of a sector that was relatively quiet, until now. As predicted by many, the CESAFI basketball tournament was the biggest show of local basketball, outshining all other local tournaments. M. Lhuillier’s jewels shone again, as they always do in the semipro circuit. But the biggest albeit not so loud surprise came from the youth sector.

It was another banner year for the CESAFI where the UV Lancers won its eighth straight championship by defeating the USJ-R Jaguars, 4-1, in a championship series that broke all previous records in terms of attendance and following. The 2008 season broke 2007’s previous records with many elimination round and playoff games drawing sell-out crowds. Sophomore Greg Slaughter literally stood out above everyone else, bagging the MVP award, showing tremendous improvement from his so-so rookie year of 2007. UC, however, stopped UV from total domination as it defeated the Baby Lancers in five games to claim the high school division championship.

The bad news coming out from the CESAFI was how all three teams that made it to the Sweet 16 of the Philippine Collegiate Championship (Champions’ League) bombed out in the first round, losing to UAAP or NCAA teams. This only proves that Cebu is somehow being left behind by the Manila brand of play, something that needs to be addressed asap.

The other big show of the year was ML Kwarta Padala/Cebu City winning the inaugural season of the Liga Pilipinas, the merger league of the two groups of regional leagues of the previous years (NBC & MVBA). In the same way that UV is almost always a sure win in the CESAFI, M. Lhuillier’s jewels shone anew, showing that it’s the best semi-pro team outside of Manila . At the rate they’re going, the tandem of Michel Lhuillier and Yayoy Alcoseba will have to build a bigger trophy room to make room for all their future awards. Only two questions surround the ballclub’s future. When will it invade the bigger leagues like the PBL or the PBA, and when will it “not win” regional championship?

This corner has a soft spot in its heart for the youth sector which has gotten a big boost, thanks to an almost all-year round calendar of activities. Although these went “unscripted,” everything went smoothly with each tournament complementing one another and not competing against each other. Although this sector doesn’t get as much media mileage as the collegiate and semipro circuits, it’s undeniably one of the most important segments that needs more support. After all, this serves as the foundation of Cebu ’s future in basketball. We’ve already seen from the Manila example how many of today’s brightest collegiate and pro players grew up through the ranks of the many youth tournaments and clinics being run in Manila .

Early in the year, the Cebu Youth Basketball League (CYBL) was born after some basketball parents got together for a round of beer. They had seen the need for follow-up activities to the BEST Center SBP/Passerelle tournament and thus the CYBL arose. The USC basketball program dominated the CYBL’s inaugural tournament, with USC North defeating Sacred Heart School Jesuit in the 12-Under age group, while USC South nipped UC in the 15-Under bracket.

In the summer, the CVIRAA team composed of players from USC NC , SHJS, Don Bosco, USC South and Dumaguete won the silver medal in the Palarong Pambansa which was held in Puerto Princesa, Palawan.

The Milo-sponsored BEST SBP/Passerelle twin tournament had a change of leadership/organizer for Cebu, but the outcome wasn’t a surprise with the youth powerhouses coming out on top. USC North won the SBP championship over Don Bosco, while SHSJ defeated USC North to win the Passerelle championship. The Eagles went on to win the Visayas Passerelle championship over Ateneo de Iloilo, and placed second to La Salle Greenhills in the national finals.

The Futures Basketball League (FBL) then followed suit, featuring three divisions: 10-Under, 13-Under and 16-Under. SHS-J won over Don Bosco to win the 10-Under division. USC North defeated SHS-J win the 13-Under division, while sister school USC South crushed CIT in the 16-Under championship game.

All these youth-based activities showed that Cebu Basketball’s youth are now very much assured of activities all-year round, something that we need very badly to keep up with the rest of the country. Other local activities involving the youth are the National Basketball Training Center ’s NBTC Developmental League which is ongoing and will run until mid-2009.

That was Cebu Basketball in 2008. For the first time in a long time, it looks like we’re now filled with basketball action from top to bottom. It was certainly a good year with more hopes of being even better in 2009.

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Time-out: Happy birthday to Hon. Venci del Mar of the City of Naga ! You can reach me at bleachertalk@yahoo.com.

[Blackie]

What was the point of the HK team stacking its team like that, what were they trying to prove. If the cesafi brought its key players to the tournament the outcome would have been different.:mad::mad::mad:

[nardy]

What was the point of the HK team stacking its team like that, what were they trying to prove. If the cesafi brought its key players to the tournament the outcome would have been different.:mad::mad::mad:

we are not that just active in scouting the Hong Kong National Team, as relayed by erektus the team of Hong Kong is completely different from that of the past teams we know, they are players of a new generation:


Based on the report of our countryman, erektus, who's based in Hong Kong, this tournament showed Hong Kong's team has improved a lot. They really showed they adapted quite well to the South Korean style of basketball. The Hong Kong team showed a lot of patience, they shoot when there's only 8 secs left in the shot clock and more often than not, it's an open three pointer. HK had a tenacious and highly physical defense which is a mesmerizing switching defense that left no opening. Hong Kong had beaten their opponents in the tournament by an average of 30+ points on this formula: Three point shooting and hard-nosed defense. He also said that HK has almost a brand-new team, having recruited some talented youth from their Nike Summer Leagues. Gone are their stiff, robotic veterans -- replaced by athletic And1 wannabes and savvier ballhandlers. But their style of play remains mainly drive-kick-and-shoot as directed by their coach.

Hong Kong is trying to announce to it's Asian neighbors that they are now ready to do battle competitively against all comers.

And if you visit Hong Kong now, the kids there are really big. I am almost 5'10 but when I was at their subway and streets I really feel small as kids in short pants that are still graders are even bigger than me. And the young generation is showing a lot more interest in basketball plus their government is very supportive by building basketball courts all over the territory. The companies there are also sponsoring young players in attending basketball camps and clinics overseas. Their gyms and stadiums are state of the art and way more advance than what we have here in the Philippines. I am also not familiar about the Citizenship laws there, as we must remember Hong Kong is now part of China.

This is one of our problems really, we are overconfident. We always think that since we are so passionate with basketball from time immemorial, we are still the best players in Asia. We forget that other countries are also trying to improve their game and some even have an edge on us as they have the money because they not only have the support of the private sector but also of their government. And it has to be noted that the head of the Hong Kong Basketball Federation is Carl Menky Ching who was the former President of FIBA.

[Blackie]

Payback is a bitch:D

[erektus]

Dadchad, yes, you have every reason to be proud of Armand Ponce and the rest of our Cebuano brothers. You can be sure as hell that they made us pinoys in HK proud. Never mind if the HK audience thought our boys were easy prey to their NT -- this is the kind of exposure our young ballers need.

I think Nardy has posted some of the stats from previous games. Like I said, we beat the Chinese-Americans because they played a similar uptempo game that we like. HK's patient offensive pattern -- a never-ending labyrinth of drive-kick-and-shoot -- was "kontra-pelo" to the pinoy style. Like South Korea, all 5 HK players on the court (from the PG to the Center) could dribble-penetrate and shoot the three.

Like mainland China, HK has an increasingly strong basketball culture and well-organized basketball grassroots development. There are well-made basketball courts in every district (with free lights until 11 pm) teeming with kids who all play the same "disciplined" style of basketball (it is apparently taught in their PE curriculum in school).

Whenever pinoys play pick-up games with the locals (whether 3-on-3 or full court), we all need to deal with the same headache -- how to stop the non-stop penetrations, pick-and-rolls and kick out to the open jumper. It's like running after chickens in a maze. We pinoys rely only on our individual "diskarte" and creativity to win.

Nardy, to answer your question...Rowe looks promising (he sank most of his jumpers during warm-ups) but is still raw (often hesitated in driving against his pesky defender), which may imply a lack of strength to take contact, ball-handling ability and mental toughness. Being a rookie, he has plenty of upside and his humbling experience in HK will do him good to improve. He's a nice fellow, too.

Coach Cabahug made sure all players had ample time to have a taste of international ball.

[nardy]

Even though we have lost to the HK team, I do feel the exposure trip is a success since we now know how we really stand. From our mistakes, we could build up our team by correcting them this early. By also having GS and JF playing in different teams, both of them had ample playing exposure to the FIBA international style of play. Said tournaments showed both players could take advantage of their height and it also showed whatever things they have to improve in order for them to do better in the international stage.

[FastskinPRO]

What was the point of the HK team stacking its team like that, what were they trying to prove. If the cesafi brought its key players to the tournament the outcome would have been different.:mad::mad::mad:

Pretty Much we brought them? (Team is mostly composed of Cesafi All-Stars) Minus Slaughter, and a few others. It's better because they are bringing the competition level up. What your saying is just because someone is performing lower means that everyone else around him should lower their playing. Basketball doesn't work that way! As the years progress, basketball nations are getting stronger, faster, and smarter.

[Blackie]

Pretty Much we brought them? (Team is mostly composed of Cesafi All-Stars) Minus Slaughter, and a few others. It's better because they are bringing the competition level up. What your saying is just because someone is performing lower means that everyone else around him should lower their playing. Basketball doesn't work that way! As the years progress, basketball nations are getting stronger, faster, and smarter.
How so? how is this a good learning experience? Humiliated in the PCCl and now humiliated by this HK team. Dont get me wrong I am all for more competition for the CESAFI but you need to draw the line somewhere. As mentioned in other posts dealing with SBP team you need to start building confidence at some time. This rule needs to be applied to the CESAFI as well. Anyway how can you give the CESAFI a fighting chance when you dont care to send the very best. GS, Lao, Dennison and Lanete just 4 examples.
I ask you was this tournament given serious consideration or the right preparation.

It is pointless to tear down a team abroad especially by the Chinese. All it does is bolster all the wrong egos with all the political infighting going on in the basketball community.

This HK tournament was presented as a exhibition tournament and the HK team throw the CESAFI a curve and bloody thier nose.

[FastskinPRO]

How so? how is this a good learning experience? Humiliated in the PCCl and now humiliated by this HK team. Dont get me wrong I am all for more competition for the CESAFI but you need to draw the line somewhere. As mentioned in other posts dealing with SBP team you need to start building confidence at some time. This rule needs to be applied to the CESAFI as well. Anyway how can you give the CESAFI a fighting chance when you dont care to send the very best. GS, Lao, Dennison and Lanete just 4 examples.
I ask you was this tournament given serious consideration or the right preparation.

It is pointless to tear down a team abroad especially by the Chinese. All it does is bolster all the wrong egos with all the political infighting going on in the basketball community.

This HK tournament was presented as a friendly exhibition tournament and the HK team throw the CESAFI a curve and bloody thier nose.

Honestly? The only real difference maker there, would be Slaughter. Please realize that Cesafi beat the 2 other teams in route to their game against HK, so this must have been a COMPLETE waste by these other teams? We at least know how some players fair internationally, a la Junmar Fajardo. The problem with the Philippines, is almost a sense of overconfidence. As in, we think that since we are so passionate about basketball we are obviously going to be "Better" than everyone else. What we fail to realize other nations are just as passionate! As well as having more resources, and bigger players. I'm not trying to look down upon basketball in the Philippines in any way, but we have a LONG way to go. There are people in this forum comparing Slaughter to Haddadi!!? Are you kidding me?

[DADCHAD]

Dadchad, yes, you have every reason to be proud of Armand Ponce and the rest of our Cebuano brothers. You can be sure as hell that they made us pinoys in HK proud. Never mind if the HK audience thought our boys were easy prey to their NT -- this is the kind of exposure our young ballers need.

Thanks bro!
My father was not able to force me to play this game(way back then), since i prefer kicking balls rather than dribbling one.(4-years HS football/soccer varsity of USJR & 1 year in college at CIT) :D

But atleast my fathers dream(& frustration on me)of having a son playing basketball either in collegiate, commercial, national or even international had been accomplished by my brother Armand.

Two of my other brothers tried to play this game & one almost reach to the final line-up of M. Lhuiller way back years ago?? Just because of some minor set backs, he was not able to continue.
And guess who replaces him...??? Gilbert "Ibet" Demape...before he went pro and in PBA.

[pachador]

for minor tournaments like these 2 tournaments in china, its actully best to send young players so they get experience. we only send the best players to the best tournaments they get invited to. this is long-term thinking

[rhk111]

Dadchad, yes, you have every reason to be proud of Armand Ponce and the rest of our Cebuano brothers. You can be sure as hell that they made us pinoys in HK proud. Never mind if the HK audience thought our boys were easy prey to their NT -- this is the kind of exposure our young ballers need.

I think Nardy has posted some of the stats from previous games. Like I said, we beat the Chinese-Americans because they played a similar uptempo game that we like. HK's patient offensive pattern -- a never-ending labyrinth of drive-kick-and-shoot -- was "kontra-pelo" to the pinoy style. Like South Korea, all 5 HK players on the court (from the PG to the Center) could dribble-penetrate and shoot the three.

Like mainland China, HK has an increasingly strong basketball culture and well-organized basketball grassroots development. There are well-made basketball courts in every district (with free lights until 11 pm) teeming with kids who all play the same "disciplined" style of basketball (it is apparently taught in their PE curriculum in school).

Whenever pinoys play pick-up games with the locals (whether 3-on-3 or full court), we all need to deal with the same headache -- how to stop the non-stop penetrations, pick-and-rolls and kick out to the open jumper. It's like running after chickens in a maze. We pinoys rely only on our individual "diskarte" and creativity to win.

Nardy, to answer your question...Rowe looks promising (he sank most of his jumpers during warm-ups) but is still raw (often hesitated in driving against his pesky defender), which may imply a lack of strength to take contact, ball-handling ability and mental toughness. Being a rookie, he has plenty of upside and his humbling experience in HK will do him good to improve. He's a nice fellow, too.

Coach Cabahug made sure all players had ample time to have a taste of international ball.

Bos, NONE of our best college coaches have been able to implement the Euroball / South Korean system of pass-shoot-penetrate. The Pumaren brothers have their "Pumaren Press" which has been wreaking havoc in the college leagues for years now, but no Euroball / South Korean system here.

Maybe Toroman can do it. Then again, maybe not. Why not try getting into a good basketball program there in Hong Kong, learn how they do it, then do a technology transfer here locally in couple of years, if you can.

I think the best way to impart the Euroball system here in the country is to prove it out there on the court. A couple of coaching seminars won't do: A UAAP / NCAA team has to adopt it, and then win championships. Once that happens, the others will follow suit.

[nardy]

How so? how is this a good learning experience? Humiliated in the PCCl and now humiliated by this HK team. Dont get me wrong I am all for more competition for the CESAFI but you need to draw the line somewhere. As mentioned in other posts dealing with SBP team you need to start building confidence at some time. This rule needs to be applied to the CESAFI as well. Anyway how can you give the CESAFI a fighting chance when you dont care to send the very best. GS, Lao, Dennison and Lanete just 4 examples.
I ask you was this tournament given serious consideration or the right preparation.

It is pointless to tear down a team abroad especially by the Chinese. All it does is bolster all the wrong egos with all the political infighting going on in the basketball community.

This HK tournament was presented as a exhibition tournament and the HK team throw the CESAFI a curve and bloody thier nose.

bro there is a great difference between a exhibition and an invitational. An invitational is competive nature in which most of the time the Hosts try to use it to showcase their team .... and the Philippines is one of the countries who usually do this a lot from the 1960s upto today.

[UnitedAmeircanTikiTiki]

THe title of this thread should already be change to CESAFI 2009

[nardy]

Bos, NONE of our best college coaches have been able to implement the Euroball / South Korean system of pass-shoot-penetrate. The Pumaren brothers have their "Pumaren Press" which has been wreaking havoc in the college leagues for years now, but no Euroball / South Korean system here.

Maybe Toroman can do it. Then again, maybe not. Why not try getting into a good basketball program there in Hong Kong, learn how they do it, then do a technology transfer here locally in couple of years, if you can.

I think the best way to impart the Euroball system here in the country is to prove it out there on the court. A couple of coaching seminars won't do: A UAAP / NCAA team has to adopt it, and then win championships. Once that happens, the others will follow suit.

rhk .... that style is not Euroball. It is uniquely South Korean. If it could be done, they could actually have it patented. That system really had many countries all over the world buffled. As I posted earlier, it is only the team of Koreans who usually see that has a wide open fastbreak in which instead of going for an easy lay-up or a showtime dunk would do a three point shot and have it's coach clap or nod in approval. I remember several European and American coaches find the ways of the Koreans very weird. But the Koreans does not care what the other countries would say as long as they could be competitive a give their country a chance to win, they'll keep on doing it.

I do not think we should go to that extreme. I honestly feel, all we have to do is go to basics. Practice ...practice ....practice ...... I am not sure if our players today does the formula of Engelland, Caidic, Adornado, Papa and of our other past great shooters which is to give extra time in shooting baskets. I remember Engelland saying he takes at least 200 shots upto the time his hands and arms are already sore. It takes a lot of discipline. Our players are more inclined for a showtime kind of basketball as we Filipinos wants to entertain. You look at the Koreans ..... they set into their positions and would just pass---pass---pass the ball upto the last 8 seconds then that's the time whoever is open would either pop a jumper or drive for a lay-up. Time and time again that would be the same play with minor variations with nothing fancy. To us Filipinos, it is a bore to watch what the Koreans are doing as we want action all the time.

If we can only be more consistent with our shooting when we play internationally. Gone were the days that when you leave a player open, it is almost an automatic basket already. A lot of times even in an unopposed break-away fast break, our players miss to score as instead for going for a simple lay-up the player would try to think to do something fancy. Those moves are actually very good to the eyes of the audience but it's not that efficient. But if we can do it with accuracy why not, problem is it results more on missed shots or turn overs. I do not know how it could be done, but our players must learn to switch-off their NBA showtime mentality whenever they are playing internationally but instead opt for a more conservative but high percentage and low turnover kind of basketball.

[Blackie]

bro there is a great difference between a exhibition and an invitational. An invitational is competive nature in which most of the time the Hosts try to use it to showcase their team .... and the Philippines is one of the countries who usually do this a lot from the 1960s upto today.

Point taken, knowing this we should have come with our A game. The consequence would have been different.

[nardy]

Point taken, knowing this we should have come with our A game. The consequence would have been different.

I do agree .... we should be confident but not overconfident. We should do our homework and do scouting of the other teams. One of my fears with regards to Coach Yeng Guiao, he is not a Coach that is keen on scouting.
We should treat every team as a threat and always play at our utmost best. One more thing, in the HK tournament it showed that our players when under pressure abandon the system directed by the coach and had gone to one-on-one plays. We have to develop more patience, this is the trait what the batch of players that played under Toroman showed, they sticked to the instructed system come what may.

We still have a lot of things to do .... hope 4 years is good enough time to correct our incorrect ways.

[The_Big_Cat]

Even though we have lost to the HK team, I do feel the exposure trip is a success since we now know how we really stand. From our mistakes, we could build up our team by correcting them this early. By also having GS and JF playing in different teams, both of them had ample playing exposure to the FIBA international style of play. Said tournaments showed both players could take advantage of their height and it also showed whatever things they have to improve in order for them to do better in the international stage.

Indeed it is a big exposure especially for Junmar Fajardo.

[Onizuka01]

Thanks bro!
My father was not able to force me to play this game(way back then), since i prefer kicking balls rather than dribbling one.(4-years HS football/soccer varsity of USJR & 1 year in college at CIT) :D

But atleast my fathers dream(& frustration on me)of having a son playing basketball either in collegiate, commercial, national or even international had been accomplished by my brother Armand.

Two of my other brothers tried to play this game & one almost reach to the final line-up of M. Lhuiller way back years ago?? Just because of some minor set backs, he was not able to continue.
And guess who replaces him...??? Gilbert "Ibet" Demape...before he went pro and in PBA.

please say my best wishes to armand, he's my classmate in highschool, uc-main before he tranferred to swu. don't mind my name, sure he forgot it already :D

[nardy]

erektus, I have a question? since we know there is a migration of "some" mainlanders to Hong Kong after the reunification. How is the Citizenship laws? From what I understand, Even though Hong Kong is a autonomous special administrative region, HongKongers are now considered Chinese Citizens. Do you have any idea if they consider settlers from the mainland as naturalized citizens ..... but that is sketchy since it is the Hongkongers that's actually integrating to the Mainland China society. Am confused :confused:

I've seen actually a big change in demography when I was in Hong Kong before and after the 1997 British handover. There is now a really large number of people in Hong Kong that are Mandarin speaking when before people there are predominantly Cantonese.

Am asking because there is a probability in which Chinese players who does not pass the grade for Chinese National Team could go to Hong Kong and Macau since they are actually one country.

[manu_bol]

rhk .... that style is not Euroball. It is uniquely South Korean. If it could be done, they could actually have it patented. That system really had many countries all over the world buffled. As I posted earlier, it is only the team of Koreans who usually see that has a wide open fastbreak in which instead of going for an easy lay-up or a showtime dunk would do a three point shot and have it's coach clap or nod in approval. I remember several European and American coaches find the ways of the Koreans very weird. But the Koreans does not care what the other countries would say as long as they could be competitive a give their country a chance to win, they'll keep on doing it.

I do not think we should go to that extreme. I honestly feel, all we have to do is go to basics. Practice ...practice ....practice ...... I am not sure if our players today does the formula of Engelland, Caidic, Adornado, Papa and of our other past great shooters which is to give extra time in shooting baskets. I remember Engelland saying he takes at least 200 shots upto the time his hands and arms are already sore. It takes a lot of discipline. Our players are more inclined for a showtime kind of basketball as we Filipinos wants to entertain. You look at the Koreans ..... they set into their positions and would just pass---pass---pass the ball upto the last 8 seconds then that's the time whoever is open would either pop a jumper or drive for a lay-up. Time and time again that would be the same play with minor variations with nothing fancy. To us Filipinos, it is a bore to watch what the Koreans are doing as we want action all the time.

If we can only be more consistent with our shooting when we play internationally. Gone were the days that when you leave a player open, it is almost an automatic basket already. A lot of times even in an unopposed break-away fast break, our players miss to score as instead for going for a simple lay-up the player would try to think to do something fancy. Those moves are actually very good to the eyes of the audience but it's not that efficient. But if we can do it with accuracy why not, problem is it results more on missed shots or turn overs. I do not know how it could be done, but our players must learn to switch-off their NBA showtime mentality whenever they are playing internationally but instead opt for a more conservative but high percentage and low turnover kind of basketball.

nardy, i dunno if you've followed the 2007 fiba-asia closely. eversince the jones cup (also in 2007), the players were shooting from the outside with consistency. this was not done by any rp team since jacob's team. hontiveros, ritualo, alapag, caguioa were shooting in high percentage from the outside. the ball movement was also very fluid. in my opinion, it was our best NT in 2 decades.

we just had the misfortune of being in a difficult group. with chot's 2007 team, we beat the NTs of iran, lebanon, korea (1st, 2nd, 3rd respectively in 2007).

our biggest weakness is not our offense but our DEFENSE. we just couldn't contain the tall-but-quick wingmen of other teams.

i just couldn't understand why there is no continuity in RP basketball. i mean, chot should have been given another chance to lead the team.

[The_Big_Cat]

nardy, i dunno if you've followed the 2007 fiba-asia closely. eversince the jones cup (also in 2007), the players were shooting from the outside with consistency. this was not done by any rp team since jacob's team. hontiveros, ritualo, alapag, caguioa were shooting in high percentage from the outside. the ball movement was also very fluid. in my opinion, it was our best NT in 2 decades.

we just had the misfortune of being in a difficult group. with chot's 2007 team, we beat the NTs of iran, lebanon, korea (1st, 2nd, 3rd respectively in 2007).

our biggest weakness is not our offense but our DEFENSE. we just couldn't contain the tall-but-quick wingmen of other teams.

i just couldn't understand why there is no continuity in RP basketball. i mean, chot should have been given another chance to lead the team.

That is the style of Chot Reyes. Run-and-gun style patterned after the Phoenix Suns. Chot spoke his system in many televised interviews.

[manu_bol]

That is the style of Chot Reyes. Run-and-gun style patterned after the Phoenix Suns. Chot spoke his system in many televised interviews.

precisely, because that's the only way we can play competitively against taller teams in asia.

chot knows what went wrong. he knows what adjustments to make. he has seen the rest of the competition in asia. why not give him another chance? some players who were also effective in tokushima were not included. alapag, hontiveros, and caguiao have shown they can be effective internationally. why not reinstate them?

the pba is slowly killing our NT hopes.

hope toroman's team will someday beat guiao's team.

[nardy]

nardy, i dunno if you've followed the 2007 fiba-asia closely. eversince the jones cup (also in 2007), the players were shooting from the outside with consistency. this was not done by any rp team since jacob's team. hontiveros, ritualo, alapag, caguioa were shooting in high percentage from the outside. the ball movement was also very fluid. in my opinion, it was our best NT in 2 decades.

we just had the misfortune of being in a difficult group. with chot's 2007 team, we beat the NTs of iran, lebanon, korea (1st, 2nd, 3rd respectively in 2007).

our biggest weakness is not our offense but our DEFENSE. we just couldn't contain the tall-but-quick wingmen of other teams.

i just couldn't understand why there is no continuity in RP basketball. i mean, chot should have been given another chance to lead the team.


I followed it, I am actually helping out the SBP in seeing our mistakes. In the tournaments leading to FIBA-Asia Tokushima the PBA players were doing well with their shots and have high percentages but when we reviewed the actual stats on the tournament proper, our guys were missing their shots specially the free-throws. The problem also in said games was after reviewing the tapes, our outside shoots were not effective because they were properly covered as Asi and the other bigs were not that agressive in attacking the basket so the opposition concentrated on our outside shooters. It also showed it's actually Kerby and Kelly who were courageous enough to keep up with the other team's bigs. As Jordan's Head Coach said, our bigs even though smaller in size must still be agressive and find ways to be a factor in offense or we would be having difficulty. The problem really root to our inability to adapt to the international rules and period wherein we were suspended by FIBA actually made the Tokushima team cram in training than actually prepare properly. The vision of Coach Chot on what has to be done was in the right direction but was not implemented properly due to time constraints. We hope that Toroman's long-term program would be the start of the cure. We have to accept that what is being done by Toroman is not the ultimate solution as the game of basketball is continuosly evolving and the competitition is getting harder.

The problem with Coach Chot is the players complained about the way he handled the training. He forgot that the players are people too, he thought by cramming the training into long period of daily practices would cover the time the team was not able to train during the FIBA suspension. The players did not want to undergo again the exhaustion and fatigue that they had endured. And they feel Chot is not that great a motivator, his style is not liked by most members of the team but were afraid to voice it out.

What the SBP is asking from Filipino Fans is for more patience and their continuos support in order that we achieve our objective.

The SBP has no intention of having the programs to be implemented by the PBA and Coach Guiao is to be compared to that of Toroman's. They want to use the short-term program as a bridge for the National Team while we prepare our young ones. They would serve as a way for Toroman to see what should be the adjustments that needs to be done for the 2011 team. This is not a PBA vs SBP thing, we must remember this is a hand-on-hand thing for the Philippines.

[joel23]

You know the Hong Kong team is always not sending real National team during Super Kung Sheung Cup, that team are most of playing imports from mainland China. If Hong Kong NT would send this, the RP CESAFI won the crown even w/o Slaughter.

[erektus]

erektus, I have a question? since we know there is a migration of "some" mainlanders to Hong Kong after the reunification. How is the Citizenship laws? From what I understand, Even though Hong Kong is a autonomous special administrative region, HongKongers are now considered Chinese Citizens. Do you have any idea if they consider settlers from the mainland as naturalized citizens ..... but that is sketchy since it is the Hongkongers that's actually integrating to the Mainland China society. Am confused :confused:

I've seen actually a big change in demography when I was in Hong Kong before and after the 1997 British handover. There is now a really large number of people in Hong Kong that are Mandarin speaking when before people there are predominantly Cantonese.

Am asking because there is a probability in which Chinese players who does not pass the grade for Chinese National Team could go to Hong Kong and Macau since they are actually one country.

Well, I'm not an immigration lawyer but from what I know, Hong Kong's "One China, Two Systems" policy gives it relative independence from Chinese citizenship rules. They are still called "Hong Kong Citizens" by law and carry Hong Kong Passports even if they are in essence "Chinese Citizens."

Being a special administrative region, too, means its citizenship rules can be very vague. Chinese and non-Chinese expatriates who have lived in HK for a continuous period of 7 years can get "Permanent Residence Status" but not necessarily citizenship, which means people like myself who's a permanent resident can stay in HK unconditionally (i.e. even w/o a work visa) but have no political rights (e.g. voting or getting recruited into their National Team haha).

Yes, there are now more Mandarin speakers in HK but this means only one thing -- that there are more Mainland workers and tourists in HK, and that local HKnese are trying to learn Mandarin because most of the big spenders nowadays are from Mainland China, no longer Japan or the US.

There's one trick to differentiate Mainland Chinese from HK Chinese or Taiwanese, though: their name. Mainland Chinese usually have two names only (e.g. Yao Ming or Liu Wei) while HKnese/TWnese usually have three (e.g. Poon Chi Ho or Lo Yi Ting). Most also attach their English name when available (e.g. Sean Chen Shin An)

I only know of ONE mainland Chinese who was naturalized and recruited into HK's NT -- 7'0 Sung Fung -- who has retired 2 years ago and is now their Assistant Coach. Most if not all of their players now are homegrown; otherwise, we would be seeing at least two 7-footers there.

While HK has improved a lot (I would say a notch above Malaysia and closing in on Taiwan, but still below the Top 8 at the Fiba-Asia level), its population is way too small to produce enough big men (their biggest player now is Li Wai Yun, who's only 6'8). Which is why despite adapting South Korea's style of play, they will still have great dificulty cracking the Asian elite level.

Unless of course they resort to do what is possible -- naturalize a few 7-footers from Mainland China -- after which they will suddenly become very potent.

[bolabasket]

I think the 12th spot in Toroman's team is reserved for Junmar Fajardo

[nardy]

I think the 12th spot in Toroman's team is reserved for Junmar Fajardo

No it was for Jayvee Casio:


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Aspirants commit to stay amateur
SPORTING CHANCE
By Joaquin M. Henson
Updated December 17, 2008 12:00 AM

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SBP executive director Noli Eala said yesterday most, if not all of the players in the 25-man pool announced by Serbian coach Rajko Toroman for the national team will serve the country for three to four years before turning pro in a patriotic commitment that augurs well for the future of the sport.

Eala said at least 18 of the 25 chosen players were briefed on the benefits of staying amateur with the national team and the SBP’s expectations during six evening practices at the Arena in San Juan the last two weeks.

“We told the boys if they don’t believe in our vision, we won’t take it against them and they’re free to go,” said Eala. “But they all stayed. Rico Maierhofer, for instance, informed us by postponing his entry into the PBA, it facilitated his decision to play his fifth and last year for La Salle next season.”

Eala said the Northern Cement model of Ambassador Eduardo Cojuangco Jr. was the inspiration for the SBP’s vision. Cojuangco assembled a core of young players who went full circle in winning the Asian Youth title in 1982 and the Asian Basketball Confederation (now FIBA-Asia) crown in 1985. Among the stars in the system were Hector Calma, Allan Caidic and Samboy Lim. After playing for the national squad, they became successful pros.

“We want to instill in the players the concept of serving the country first before creating a career,” said Eala. “We are prepared to support the players throughout their stay with the national team.”

A budget of P140 Million for the next four years is reportedly under study by the SBP for the campaign to culminate in qualifying for the 2012 London Olympics.


* * *

Eala said CESAFI and the PBL are showing the way in backing up the SBP’s long-term program.

University of Visayas center Greg Slaughter, a member of the 25-man pool, was supposed to play for the CESAFI selection in Hong Kong but was excused by Rep. Eduardo Gullas so he could suit up for the national team. SBP chairman and Misamis Oriental Gov. Oscar Moreno lauded Gullas and CESAFI for their support of the national team.

PBL chairman Mikee Romero also pledged his full support for the national squad.

“We hope the support of CESAFI and the PBL could be a catalyst for all other leagues to get together behind our national team,” said Eala.

Toroman’s developmental national team left last Sunday to play in the Asean-CBO Invitationals in Pingguo, Guanxi, China, on Dec. 17-21. Eight teams will compete in the tournament – an all-star team from host Pingguo, the Philippines and the national squads of Malaysia, Macau, Myanmar, Singapore, Brunei and Vietnam.

“It will be coach Toroman’s first international tournament with our team,” said Eala. “This will give us a chance to evaluate our players as most of them have never played or even gone abroad. It will allow us to bond and learn coach Toroman’s system by experience.”

Toroman will be assisted in China by Jude Roque and physical therapist Albert Rolle in place of Dan Rose who is in the US for two weeks. Those who helped out in the practices were coaches Chot Reyes, Norman Black, Jorge Gallent, Glenn Capacio, Allan Gregorio and Eric Altamirano.


* * *

Eala said PBL teams Harbour Centre, Burger King and Magnolia lent players for the China trip. They were J. R. Cawaling and Mark Barroca of Harbour, Ogie Menor, Mac Baracael and Marcy Arellano of Burger and Dylan Ababou of Magnolia. Also picked were UP’s Martin Reyes and Magi Sison, Slaughter and Fil-Am recruits Terrell Theophile and Joey Deas.

Eala, who leaves for China today to join the team, said he will try to bring along the NCAA’s slam dunk king Rey Guevara of Letran to complete the lineup.

“Jayvee Casio was in our final roster but Toyota Otis begged off at the last minute,” said Eala. “We excused Rabeh Al Hussaini who’ll be with his Ateneo teammates in Hong Kong on Dec. 19-21. Bacchus’ Paul Lee is finishing up at UE. Philip Paredes is catching up with his studies at Riddleys. Jervy Cruz, Arvie Bringas and Chris Tiu have other commitments.”

Eala said the China tournament is a good starting point for Toroman’s exposure program. “We got whoever was available under the circumstances,” he went on. “We didn’t want to overburden PBL teams that were willing to lend players so we were quite selective.”

Tiu, a popular TV host, will join the team in January after finishing his personal commitments this year.

[nardy]

You know the Hong Kong team is always not sending real National team during Super Kung Sheung Cup, that team are most of playing imports from mainland China. If Hong Kong NT would send this, the RP CESAFI won the crown even w/o Slaughter.

Joel,

Here's the Hong Kong National Team in the 17th Super Kung Sheung Cup:

http://www.basketball.org.hk/08sksc/images/hkt.gif


Here's the 2007 http://www.eurobasket.com/images/Iconsflags/Hong-Kong.gif Hong Kong Men's National Team:

http://www.eurobasket.com/photos/Fong_ShingYee.jpg Fong Shing Yee http://www.eurobasket.com/photos/Li_KimWong.jpg Li Kim Wong http://www.eurobasket.com/photos/Siu_Kimwing.jpg Siu Kim Wing http://www.eurobasket.com/photos/Law_ManKwong.jpg Law Man Kwong http://www.eurobasket.com/photos/Wong_ChunWai.jpg Wong Chun Wai

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/07/fibaAsia/men/wallPape/_800/hkg.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hk2007.jpg


Here's the 2008 http://www.eurobasket.com/images/Iconsflags/Hong-Kong.gif Hong Kong U18 Men's Youth Team:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/u18HK.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hongkongU18.jpg

[ankle breaker]

and who won the 17th kung sheung cup?

[nardy]

and who won the 17th kung sheung cup?

fyi .... it is the Hong Kong National Team.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Flag_of_Hong_Kong.svg/800px-Flag_of_Hong_Kong.svg.png


it's bad .... bad .... bad ...... the CESAFI Selection had no solution for the Hong Kong National Team and ended-up in 2nd place after getting beat by the host team 61-100.

[manu_bol]

some pics in HK:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sputnikworld/3124146917/in/set-72157611403067655/

at least the team didn't use the name "pilipinas" or "RP" or "philippines" in their jerseys...:D

[nardy]

some pics in HK:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sputnikworld/3124146917/in/set-72157611403067655/

at least the team didn't use the name "pilipinas" or "RP" or "philippines" in their jerseys...:D


or worse it could have been PICHAY hehehe :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3124146917_d65f1f5bfa.jpg

[manu_bol]

or worse it could have been PICHAY hehehe :D LOL

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/3124146917_d65f1f5bfa.jpg

the bald guy facing fajardo is probably as tall as JF. if you look closely of the other pics, he is easily the tallest HK player. i'm not sure if he played, anyway.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sputnikworld/3124140629/in/set-72157611403067655/

[FastskinPRO]

the bald guy facing fajardo is probably as tall as JF. if you look closely of the other pics, he is easily the tallest HK player. i'm not sure if he played, anyway.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sputnikworld/3124140629/in/set-72157611403067655/

Looks like that guy is part of the coaching staff, he looks about 35 years old :P hehe

[nardy]

Looks like that guy is part of the coaching staff, he looks about 35 years old :P hehe


He might be the one mentioned by erektus:


7'0 Sung Fung -- who has retired 2 years ago and is now their Assistant Coach. A Mainland Chinese who was naturalized and recruited into HK's NT

[FastskinPRO]

He might be the one mentioned by erektus:

So if this guy is a legit 7-0, looks like Fajardo could be around 6-10, 6-11:eek:. Cesafi looks to have a trio of Plus 6-8 players next season, Burtonwood (Can he live up the hype?), Fajardo (Scoring Machine), Slaughter (Reigning MVP).

[mayfel]

So if this guy is a legit 7-0, looks like Fajardo could be around 6-10, 6-11:eek:. Cesafi looks to have a trio of Plus 6-8 players next season, Burtonwood (Can he live up the hype?), Fajardo (Scoring Machine), Slaughter (Reigning MVP).

that will be awesome but i hope that cesafi will first try to have an invitational tournament featuring the ncaa and uaap teams for them to raise the level of competiton in cebu..then after the cesafi season,make an all star team and compete again in this tournament

[manu_bol]

that will be awesome but i hope that cesafi will first try to have an invitational tournament featuring the ncaa and uaap teams for them to raise the level of competiton in cebu..then after the cesafi season,make an all star team and compete again in this tournament

what if cesafi and the bap faction think "outside the box"

to raise the level of cebu basketball, instead of playing against local colleges, they might want to play against foreign colleges/clubs in invitationals here and abroad. a chinese and korean team played in cebu earlier this year against uv and swu. they could do this more often.

at least, cesafi teams will have this edge (international exposure) against uaap/ncaa teams

[nardy]

GREAT NEWS GUYS !!!!!!!! The CESAFI Selection had just beaten the Southern California Fukienese Assocaition Basketball Team 74-64 and would be playing in the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME at Dec 21, 2008 1:30pm. In said game they'll be meeting again the Hong Kong National Team which routed the team from India 88-56 in the other Semi-final game.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hksemi1.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hksemi2.jpg

[nardy]

it's bad .... bad .... bad ...... the CESAFI Selection had no solution for the Hong Kong National Team and ended-up in 2nd place after getting beat by the host team 61-100....

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hkchamp1.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/nardym/hkchamp2.jpg

[ankle breaker]

if im not mistaken, cumlat and aquino were one of the highly touted prospects from the US before. some schools are even eyeing these guys. im wondering why they were not able to make it to the RP schools.

[b3lowzro]

if im not mistaken, cumlat and aquino were one of the highly touted prospects from the US before. some schools are even eyeing these guys. im wondering why they were not able to make it to the RP schools.

2 year residency rule i guess, a lot of filams are not that patient with that rule.

[SkyWalker]

With the points they are giving away to their opponents, I think this CESAFI team doesnt play much defense, which I think is the difference compared to the SBP team that is being handled by coach Rajko. The only positive thing they've showed is heart and determination, but no TEAM defense. Probably, HK team exploited their size disadvantage.

[thadzonline]

With the points they are giving away to their opponents, I think this CESAFI team doesnt play much defense, which I think is the difference compared to the SBP team that is being handled by coach Rajko. The only positive thing they've showed is heart and determination, but no TEAM defense. Probably, HK team exploited their size disadvantage.

You are right, that's actually a CeSAFI offense All-Stars team they sent. The only guys that can play real defense their is Fajardo, Gabas, Delfino and Ponce. The others' defensive abilities are not tops in the CeSAFI. If you were to send a defensive team from CeSAFI, that should have included guys like UV's Boniber Sendrijas(6'2 PF), USPF's Randy Avila(5'7 PG), SWU's Janno Nuñez(6'3 PF) and DBTC's Chris Dela Rama(6'4 C)

[nardy]

Junmar is used to being the main man and always carrying UC and the stats in Hong Kong clearly showed that JF needs to improve his passing skills and to be more trusting of his team mates so that he could be a much better all-around player. His inability to pass back the ball whenever he get's double teamed somewhat affected the team but he was really a monster off the boards and intimidated the opposing players from making lay-ups.

[ricodgame]

no awards given? i mean, mythical 5?

[thadzonline]

Junmar is used to being the main man and always carrying UC and the stats in Hong Kong clearly showed that JF needs to improve his passing skills and to be more trusting of his team mates so that he could be a much better all-around player. His inability to pass back the ball whenever he get's double teamed somewhat affected the team but he was really a monster off the boards and intimidated the opposing players from making lay-ups.

I used to believe it's probably because he didn't have a very reliable sidekick at UC after Allain Abellanosa left, but even with an all-star squad it seems Fajardo had developed that bad habit

[Blackie]

I used to believe it's probably because he didn't have a very reliable sidekick at UC after Allain Abellanosa left, but even with an all-star squad it seems Fajardo had developed that bad habit

Could it be the term all-star squad is a misnomer in this situation?

[thadzonline]

Could it be the term all-star squad is a misnomer in this situation?

not really..you are only missing GS there. Most in that squad actually saw action in CeSAFI All-Stars 2008

[Blackie]

not really..you are only missing GS there. Most in that squad actually saw action in CeSAFI All-Stars 2008

That is a big cager to miss:D:D
Good luck to the CeSAFI in 2009!

[nardy]

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/files/images/logo_sunstar_cebu.jpg

Basketball rift continues to fester
Saturday, December 27, 2008
by Marian C. Baring

Cebu decides to stay neutral in conflict as UV Green Lancers dominate in 2008
JUST when everyone thought that the battle within the ranks of Philippine basketball was over with the formation of the Basketball Association of the Philippines-Samahang Basketball ng Pilipinas (BAP-SBP), things turned for the worse this year.

The BAP-SBP was formed to unify the basketball factions. This put the Philippines back on the good side of the Fiba, the international governing body for basketball.

But BAP and SBP parted ways again and both groups staged a legal battle to settle the dispute.

In early June, the SBP group of telecommunications mogul Manny Pangilinan, the person recognized by Fiba, announced that they will be holding a general assembly to elect a new set of officers.

BAP, led by politician Prospero Pichay, called for its own assembly eight days before SBP’s meet and asked the court to nullify the results of the SBP-initiated June 12 elections that elected Pangilinan as BAP-SBP head.

In September,the Manila Regional Trial Court (RTC) ruled that Pichay’s group has the rightful claim to the leadership of BAP-SBP.

Judge Antonio Eugenio Jr. declared that the June 4, 2008 national congress attended by majority of the stakeholders who elected Pichay as BAP-SBP president was legal.

He declared the June 12, 2008 convention called by the SBP faction as void.

SBP raised the matter to the Court of Appeals, which reversed the ruling of the Manila RTC.

CA Associate Justice Josefina Guevara-Salonga, who wrote the ruling, declared the Pangilinan group as the legitimate basketball body in the country.

Focus

“Our programs are back in full swing.

We can finally focus on our goal to get the Philippines a slot in the 2012 Olympics,” said BAP-SBP executive director Noli Eala.

In Cebu, the rift affected one of BAP-SBP’s biggest stakeholders, the Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation Inc (Cesafi).

Cesafi had shifted loyalties several times before finally deciding to stay neutral.

The stand has worked out great for the league. For one, with the talent base that Cesafi has, it is constantly getting invitations from both factions to take advantage of their programs.

Just last week, the Cesafi selection represented the Philippines in an international competition in Hong Kong upon the invitation of the Pichay wing.

The squad finished second to the home team after going against teams from Singapore, US and China.

Cesafi’s current star, the 6-foot-11 center and triple-MVP awardee Greg Slaughter, was recruited to train with the RP team, which is under the Pangilinan wing.

Slaughter flies between Cebu and Manila several times a week to train with the non-PBA RP team and with his home team, the University of the Visayas (UV).

Slaughter bolsters a UV squad that managed to continue its dominance this year by claiming its eighth straight Cesafi basketball championship.

The UV Green Lancers defeated the University of San Jose Recoletos, a team many thought would be the force that will finally end UV’s dominant reign.

The veteran-laden USJ-R Jaguars, however, were cut down in the finale by a rookie UV squad that won in just four games.

Marking another milestone for Cebu sports this year is the naming of Fr. Vic Uy as a new commissioner of the Philippine Sports Commission. He is the first Cebuano and priest to be named to the post.

Values

“He is a priest and people who think they could get away with corruption will now think twice because they cannot shake this man’s values,” said PSC head William Ramirez on the new commissioner.

Uy was VP for finance and at the same time athletic director for five years at the University of San Carlos. He also served as president of the Private Schools Athletic Association.

PSC borrowed him from the SVD, his congregation, for a year to serve the PSC as the executive director. But PSC had to request for an extension of his leave when President Arroyo appointed him commissioner last November.

[thadzonline]

Values

“He is a priest and people who think they could get away with corruption will now think twice because they cannot shake this man’s values,” said PSC head William Ramirez on the new commissioner.

Uy was VP for finance and at the same time athletic director for five years at the University of San Carlos. He also served as president of the Private Schools Athletic Association.

PSC borrowed him from the SVD, his congregation, for a year to serve the PSC as the executive director. But PSC had to request for an extension of his leave when President Arroyo appointed him commissioner last November.

USC sure misses Fr. Vic. hehe, He was one big reason why USC turned from doormats to contenders responsible for appointing Coach Mike Reyes as USC basketball director

[ankle breaker]

will mike reyes and jay ramirez continue their plight even if fr. vic is not around?

[thadzonline]

will mike reyes and jay ramirez continue their plight even if fr. vic is not around?

both JayRamz and coach Mike has continued to coach at USC despite Fr. Vic's absence

[ankle breaker]

thadz, i was in bohol last week for a short vacation with my family and brother in law's family too. and one of our friends told us about the basketball scene of the province. there is an association called BSAAA and the one that I forgot who is actively having a tournament participated by the best schools in that province. my friend said that these 2 associations are affiliated with BAP and as a matter of fact the tournament is named 4th graham lim challenge. do you know by chance some facts about this league or assocaition also? this friend of mine actually is a distant cousin of my father who happens to be the president of BARECOM in bohol who i believe is affiliated with BAP also. i was able to watch some of the games and there are many kids aged 10-15 who are really good. i don't know if they were able to join the Jr. NBA camp in cebu.

[nardy]

http://www.philstar.com/images/logo_Freeman.jpg

CESAFI Partner's Cup opening reset
Updated December 31, 2008 12:00 AM

Cebu Schools Athletic Foundation, Inc. (CESAFI) commissioner Felix O. Tiukinhoy, Jr. has announced they have reset the holding of the CESAFI Partner’s Cup to a later date due to the long Christmas vacation and to take respite for the upcoming Sinulog fiesta activities.

Tiukinhoy said he already informed Partner’s Cup commissioner Ramon Fernandez and the coaches of the participating teams that the opening is rescheduled from January 10 to January 24 still at the Cebu Coliseum.

Tiukinhoy added that they will finalize the official list of corporate sponsors in their next meeting.

Tiukinhoy’s notice had been relayed to coaches Elmer “Boy “Cabahug of the University of the Visayas, the defending champion under CDO Hamburger, Edito Salacut of the University of San Jose-Recoletos, Jay Ramirez of the University of San Carlos, Roel Gomez of the University of Cebu, Alejandrito “Dodie” Miego of Southwestern University, Rudy Enterina of Don Bosco Technology Center, Raul Latonio Sr. of the University of Southern Philippines Foundation, and Alex de la Torre of the Cebu Institute of Technology. (GGM)

[mayfel]

it's time to close this thread and start a new one..
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