Is China really the FINAL host of FIBA-Asia 2009?

[Doctor_Death]

Just some questions guys...

I keep on reading in our Philippine newspaper dailies that China will host the 2009 FIBA-Asia Championship. But I also read in several international websites that Jordan, South Korea and the Philippines were also bidding to host the said tourney. Is it really FINAL that China will host the FIBA-Asia AGAIN next year?

Also, I just read in today's Philippine broadsheet (Philippine STAR) that to qualify for the 2010 FIBA-World, one needs at least championship stint in next year's FIBA-Asia to go to Turkey meaning just the Top 2 finishers in next year's FIBA-Asia. I read in the Wiki page that like in 2006, 24 teams and not just the original 16 will compete in the 2010 FIBA-World. In 2006, 3 Asian teams meaning the top 3 finishers in the 2005 FIBA-Asia (China, Lebanon and Qatar) qualified to the 2006 FIBA-World (plus host Japan) and not just 2. Will it be just 2 or 3 Asian slots to the 2010 FIBA-World to be fought for in the 2009 FIBA-Asia?

Hope you can help me out on this...

[Phantim3dx]

i personally wouldnt mind having it in china. i know other countries deserve it more, but the infrastructures are here and quite modern.

[raichu08]

I'd Rather hear Fiba make a statement about it before I believe it. These are Philippine newspapers after all. Some local Broadsheets are also Creating confusion for the ways to qualify at the fiba asia games, it said top 2 from fiba asia 09' and 2010 asian games gold medal (how can this happen when the world championships come first before the asian games?)

They should make it top 3 for the fiba asia instead.


SBP bares ambitious program
Source: Manila Bulletin | July 29, 2008

To qualify for the World Championships in 2010 and play in the 2012 London Olympics will be the main objectives of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) in the next four years.

The SBP plans to achieve these goals even if it means naturalizing basketball players and hiring foreign coaches.

"We want to make full use of FIBA rules in ensuring that no stone is left unturned in our desire to form the strongest team that will take us to the Olympics. All over the world these rules are being maximized. The SBP believes it is time to include it in the agenda." SBP executive director Noli Eala said.

The plan to naturalize foreign players and hire a foreign coach for the Philippine basketball team is actually not new. It is a page lifted from the RP team of 1986 which had two naturalized players and an American coach that won the Asian Basketball Championship in Malaysia.

The goals were established in a strategic planning conference held in Cebu City and attended by 18 members of the 25-man Board of Trustees led by SBP Chairman Gov. Oscar Moreno and president Manny V. Pangilinan over the weekend.

"The mission set by the board led by MVP for Philippine basketball is ambitious but achievable if we can begin implementing long-term programs as soon as possible," Eala said.

Eala said that the present main concern, the World Championships, could be attained through a championship finish in the FIBA-Asia qualifier in 2009 and an Asian Games gold medal in 2010.

Eala added that the Philippines could also gain an Olympic berth in London 2012 by winning the FIBA-Asia qualifier of 2011.

Among the many plans and programs presented to the Board by Eala were a comprehensive grassroots program for various age groups, referees/commissioners and coaches, a 4-year development plan for the National Team and the crafting of a distinctively "Filipino philosophy" for basketball to be implemented nationwide.

The grassroots programs include the establishment of a national inter-secondary tournament, a women's commercial league and a national 3-on-3 championship which is already a FIBA-recognized event. The Board also agreed on the strengthening and integration of the National Basketball Training Center into the Youth Commission.

Eala also batted for a comprehensive referees program which will have two components, first, development and education and second, accreditation and licensing. The program has started through an observers activity already being conducted by the SBP in the major leagues and will be highlighted by a referees clinic to be conducted by Lubomir Kotleba, FIBA Sports Director and Col Lee Kak Kuan, FIBA-Asia Technical head on September 16-18 in Manila. More clinics are scheduled between August to October culminating in a leveling of all referees by November and full accreditation and licensing by January, 2009.

Similar programs for tournament commissioners and coaches have also been lined up. A Technical Commission was created to oversee the referees and commissioners programs.

The SBP Board also agreed on the proposal of an SBP-Cadets National Team that will be developed and maintained for the next 4 years. The long term program will be managed by a National Team Management Group to be created from among the various sectors of the SBP including national coaches and the newly created Competitions Commissions. The program calls for the best young players outside of the professional league to be invited to form the Cadets pool.

These players will be asked to commit to the national team for one Olympic cycle. The SBP Cadets team will be tapped for the 2011 FIBA-Asia qualifier and will form the nucleus for the 2010 Asian Games while the all-pro team of the PBA will handle the 2009 FIBA-Asia qualifier and possibly, the 2010 World Championships. The SBP Board also agreed to the proposal to study the inclusion of naturalized players for the Cadets pool and the tapping of a foreign coach either as head coach or consultant of the national team program.

A Regulatory and Standards Committee will also be formed to study, create and implement a unified and common philosophy for officiating, coaching and playing basketball for the Filipino. The 12-member committee will be headed by Moying Martelino.

[Doctor_Death]

Yeah. The local papers should wait for FIBA itself to make announcements regarding details of the upcoming elite Asian tournaments to avoid inconsistencies as evidenced by the highlighted sentence in this article as compared to previous articles such as the one previously quoted here.



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Foreign coach for national five?
By Joaquin Henson
Friday, August 1, 2008

The search is on for a foreign coach to supervise the long-term development of the Philippine team that will compete in the 2011 FIBA-Asia Championships to determine the zonal qualifier for the 2012 London Olympics.

In relation to the quest, SBP executive director Noli Eala yesterday disclosed plans of inviting affiliate leagues all over the country to nominate players within the age range of 19 to 23 for a tryout camp where 20 standouts will be chosen to form a fresh national pool for the future.

Eala said in the short-term, the PBA will form the national team for next year’s FIBA-Asia Championships in China. The top three finishers in FIBA-Asia will represent the region in the World Championships in Turkey in 2010.

“At the moment, our understanding with the PBA is the pro league will take care of the national team up to 2010,” said Eala. “In the meantime, the SBP will begin forming a young national pool so we’ll always be ready with a team in case there are opportunities for international exposure that come along.”

Eala mentioned that in October, the Philippines has been offered to play in the FIBA-Asia Stankovic Cup in Kuwait and in an invitational tournament in Amsterdam in December.

“Right now, we have no team for Kuwait,” said Eala. “We hope that by December, we’ll be able to send a team to play in Amsterdam where only four or five teams, including one from Russia, are invited. It’s an all-expenses-paid tournament so we’re seriously considering to participate because of the experience our national pool can gain.”

Eala said a management committee will be set up to oversee the formation of the national team similar to the USA Basketball formula.

“We envision gathering about 100 players for the tryout camp,” said Eala. “We’ll invite a panel of coaches to make the first cut to 45 then to 20. We hope to ask Chot Reyes, Norman Black and Tim Cone to help out.”

Eala said the SBP is now drawing up a list of candidates for a foreign coach. Early nominees are Vlade Djurovic of Serbia and Bernardo Murphy of Argentina. Reyes, who coached the national team in the FIBA-Asia Championships in Tokushima last year, is in contact with both Djurovic and Murphy.

A source said Djurovic and Alan Richardson of England are interested in working with the national team as a tandem. Djurovic could form, train and coach the national squad while Richardson could provide the technical know-how as a EuroLeague official and FIBA rules expert.

Djurovic coordinated the national team’s training camp in Belgrade last year while Richardson recently visited Manila to familiarize PBA referees with FIBA rules.

Eala said a Fil-foreign camp is also being planned in the US to flush out more talents for the national team.

“Our model for the developmental team is the Northern Cement team that was successful in the 1980s,” said Eala. “We’re looking to keep the national team intact for a four-year Olympic cycle. That will mean closely coordinating with the PBA so that some players are deliberately left out of the pro draft and the national team could play in the PBA as a guest entry. Maybe, we could ask the PBA to exempt those who forego the draft from going under the rookie salary cap when they finally turn pro.”

Eala said the national team program will only work if the SBP’s affiliates, particularly the PBA, give their all-out support.

“We’re grateful to the PBA for supporting our national team up to 2010,” said Eala. “In fact, it’s possible we could also ask for the PBA’s help in reinforcing our national team for the 2010 Asian Games if our national pool isn’t ready. Our ultimate goal is to qualify for the 2012 Olympics and it will take a concerted effort to make it happen.”

[raichu08]

wow, Philippine media is so sensationalized and unreliable. No wonder we're such in a mess.

Anyways, If china hosts the next fiba worlds qualifier, expect a lot of countries to protest that decision.

[Doctor_Death]

By the way, I've read somewhere in a sports opinion column that a host country in any major basketball tournament has the "privelege" of transferring his quintet to a weaker group from his original bracket. How true or accurate is this? :confused:

[Doctor_Death]

SBP offers to host 2011 FIBA Asia
By Nelson Beltran
Wednesday, August 27, 2008

MACAU – The Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, in a determined effort to make the next Olympics, has offered to host the 2011 FIBA-Asia men’s basketball championship, which serves as the regional qualifier for the 2012 London Games.

The SBP leadership made the initial bid verbally in a meeting with FIBA top officials in Beijing Friday. SBP executive director Noli Eala is leaving for Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia any day this week to deliver the formal bid to FIBA-Asia secretary general Dato Yeoh Choo Hock.

SBP vice chairman Ricky Vargas, the Talk n Text governor in the PBA board, made the disclosure during PBA annual meeting and planning session here.

Vargas, Eala and SBP chairman Oscar Moreno have just returned from Beijing where they met with officials of the Philippine Olympic Committee and FIBA for POC’s official confirmation of the SBP, under the leadership of business mogul Manny Pangilinan, as the legitimate national cage body in the country.

FIBA president Bob Elphinston, secretary general Patrick Bauhmann and Dato Yeoh welcomed the Filipino group during the Olympics. POC officials present were president Peping Cojuangco, vice president Monico Puentevella and secretary general Steve Hontiveros.

“They were very accommodating and their words were encouraging,” said Vargas of the FIBA officials whom they met for about an hour and a half.

“You’re the only body (from the Philippines) recognized by the FIBA,” Vargas also said quoting Bauhmann as telling the SBP officials.

Pangilinan was voted as SBP president in their election recently. He’ll serve the body for four years or until the Olympic year.

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Fine. That's good. But whatever happened to our bid to host next year's FIBA-Asia?

[raichu08]

By the way, I've read somewhere in a sports opinion column that a host country in any major basketball tournament has the "privelege" of transferring his quintet to a weaker group from his original bracket. How true or accurate is this? :confused:
Yes they can. IRRC Japan chose to be in group c after the 3rd round of drawing in last year's Fiba asia Championships.

[mohsena2631]

according to Iranian basketball federation website:

Iran, Qatar, China and Jordan (plus Lebanon and Japan) are bidding to host 2009 FIBA ASIA .

[Purple and Gold]

I'd go for China, prolly Beijing.

The Chinese infrastructure is awesome. Every architect/constructor is dying to get a piece of land to build something in Chinese cities. They're desiging a lot of weird but cool-designed buildings there!

Did ya see the Bird's Nest? :eek:

[WIZARD]

IT should go to some west asian countries Jordan,Lebanon or what ever..
china has hosted those game like 3 times in the last 8 years plus they already had those olympic games..japan hosted last world cup and the last asian championship last year.. plus iran is hosting u18 championship right now..so its not fair at all.. so long story short..it should be either jordan or lebanon..jordan is developing very fast and its one of the best teams in asia ,,,also lebanon did reach the finals 3 times in a row so they must get their chance now...if those 2 countries dont get it then i will go with philippine they deserve it also. plus in my opinion it should go like this
east asian countries host it then west asian countries back a forth this is the best way to solve it.. its ridiculous that china gets it every time i mean jeez
give me a break..ok its the best asian team but still they dont have the right to keep hosting those games for ever seems if its like their trademak or something!!!

[Dark_Magician]

All country should have equal chances of hosting the game given a fair amount of broadcasting coverage (let's just put the infrastructure aside for this time).

[kingliyou]

IT should go to some west asian countries Jordan,Lebanon or what ever..
china has hosted those game like 3 times in the last 8 years plus they already had those olympic games..japan hosted last world cup and the last asian championship last year.. plus iran is hosting u18 championship right now..so its not fair at all.. so long story short..it should be either jordan or lebanon..jordan is developing very fast and its one of the best teams in asia ,,,also lebanon did reach the finals 3 times in a row so they must get their chance now...if those 2 countries dont get it then i will go with philippine they deserve it also. plus in my opinion it should go like this
east asian countries host it then west asian countries back a forth this is the best way to solve it.. its ridiculous that china gets it every time i mean jeez
give me a break..ok its the best asian team but still they dont have the right to keep hosting those games for ever seems if its like their trademak or something!!!

Good point!

However, consider this Asia U18 Tournament hosted in Iran; No TV coverage, no detailed statistics, no up-to-date result, no game clip and post game interview most important "Bullshit" referees and organizer. I totally agree with what you said, but as a continental tournament be professional and reliable, thus West Asia is not capable to host it at present.

Off topic: How about those emergencies happening in West Asia :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

China has the greatest basketball team in Asia; highest standard court; experiences in hosting intentional sport (Don't you think Beijing Olympic would be the best in history?)

[WIZARD]

Good point!

However, consider this Asia U18 Tournament hosted in Iran; No TV coverage, no detailed statistics, no up-to-date result, no game clip and post game interview most important "Bullshit" referees and organizer. I totally agree with what you said, but as a continental tournament be professional and reliable, thus West Asia is not capable to host it at present.

Off topic: How about those emergencies happening in West Asia :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

China has the greatest basketball team in Asia; highest standard court; experiences in hosting intentional sport (Don't you think Beijing Olympic would be the best in history?)

dude to be honest with all respect to iran and its media..it sucked always according to this matter they are very poor with it..even here in jordan we barley got infos...so its iran's problem if this was held in jordan lebanon qatar..
we at least arab countries will get great coverage from sport channels like jazeera OR ART..plus it wont be big deal for chinese media since they can
work together with those channels for good coverage like asian games in doha last year. cuz they are very profi sport channels and know their job..as for infrastructure in jordan we have
at least 2 big courts with a capacity of 8000 which is more than the japanese had in last asian games..plus those games will be under fiba supervision so every thing should be well organized in order to work out
jordanian fed if working very hard to make it happen..if not well i will soppurt my team even if they play on mars lool..about bejing games hands down man..it was the best..but zone time problems pissed me off alot..couldnt watch any of those games ..either rerun or highlites...

[bulletin2007]

I'd like to see China, Iran, Philippine and another team are allocated into one group. That's possible for China and Iran since last time China didn't step into the semi-final and Iran got championship. All chinese people are glad to see Philippine is also in this group because of the "perfect" performance of Philippine referee in U18.l


By the way, I've read somewhere in a sports opinion column that a host country in any major basketball tournament has the "privelege" of transferring his quintet to a weaker group from his original bracket. How true or accurate is this? :confused:

[FEIFEI]

I'd like to see China, Iran, Philippine and another team are allocated into one group. That's possible for China and Iran since last time China didn't step into the semi-final and Iran got championship. All chinese people are glad to see Philippine is also in this group because of the "perfect" performance of Philippine referee in U18.l
News from china !
The Guang zhou city china will be the host of FIBA-Asia 2009 !
:D

[raichu08]

I'd like to see China, Iran, Philippine and another team are allocated into one group. That's possible for China and Iran since last time China didn't step into the semi-final and Iran got championship. All chinese people are glad to see Philippine is also in this group because of the "perfect" performance of Philippine referee in U18.l

PIAWSI!

Quit your sourgraping, we were also victims of a game deciding call last year by a greek referee. Did we bash the entire greece? no. That mannerism is for losers.

[Dark_Magician]

PIAWSI!

Quit your sourgraping, we were also victims of a game deciding call last year by a greek referee. Did we bash the entire greece? no. That mannerism is for losers.

At least, you guys had the video clip to review.

There is no any broadcasting coverage for this Asia U-18 competition, especially, on the controversy.

If any of you guys can have the video clip, we may be able to analyze the whole process, and then make a correct judgment.

The irritation was arisen from the rumor that a Chinese player got injured by an intentional foul by a Syrian player, but the referee completely ignored the dirty foul. That's the trigger.

[xyxyxty]

Welcome to China, guys!:D

[DragonBalls]

At least, you guys had the video clip to review.

There is no any broadcasting coverage for this Asia U-18 competition, especially, on the controversy.

If any of you guys can have the video clip, we may be able to analyze the whole process, and then make a correct judgment.

The irritation was arisen from the rumor that a Chinese player got injured by an intentional foul by a Syrian player, but the referee completely ignored the dirty foul. That's the trigger.

The coverage is simply horrible. Things like this really should give impetus to splitting Asia into West and East regions.

[Dark_Magician]

The coverage is simply horrible. Things like this really should give impetus to splitting Asia into West and East regions.

whether or not, the officiating is the key component needs to be improved across the competition in Asia.

Incorporating Aussie in the region would be mutually beneficial to chinese and aussie team.

[DragonBalls]

Officiating is much better in Europe because a league composed of similar cultures tend to have a much easier time setting up standards and organization.

Asia is a mess because you have entirely different cultures, languages and people working at cross purposes in the league offices.

It would be far better if we have an East Asia and a West Asia FIBA. Training and organization can be standardized much better.

[bulletin2007]

I agreed with you.
In addition, I have some emotional words:
I hate that west asian countries, by all means, are united against east asian countries. What a shame! Conspiracy is never a part of sportsman spirit.
How many people think Syria deserve such a 20-0 "victory" and all-won China should be in the fifth place?
Justice is always in the hands of hierarch.




Officiating is much better in Europe because a league composed of similar cultures tend to have a much easier time setting up standards and organization.

Asia is a mess because you have entirely different cultures, languages and people working at cross purposes in the league offices.

It would be far better if we have an East Asia and a West Asia FIBA. Training and organization can be standardized much better.

[Dark_Magician]

I agreed with you.
In addition, I have some emotional words:
I hate that west asian countries, by all means, are united against east asian countries. What a shame! Conspiracy is never a part of sportsman spirit.
How many people think Syria deserve such a 20-0 "victory" and all-won China should be in the fifth place?
Justice is always in the hands of hierarch.

It's nothing wrong being emotional.

Don't blame players coz they all contribute to the growing popularity of basketball in asia.

Poor officiating and management are hinders to the asia basketball community.