15th Super Kung Seung Invitational [Jul 18 HongKong]

[sinobball]

ROSTER

China (CBA champion Guangdong summer league)
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/winnerway.jpg

Hong Kong
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/hongkong.jpg

Malaysia
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/malaysia.jpg

USA (Southern California Asian Americans)
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/scfa.jpg

Singapore
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/singapore.jpg

Thailand
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/thailand.jpg

Philippines: Air 21 from PBA
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/philipinnes.jpg

Japan (Kagoshima select)
http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/kagoshima.jpg

[lrangels]

Participants:

Philippines (the team in Jones Cup)
Hong Kong
Thailand
Malaysia
Japan (Kagoshima select)
Singapore
China (CBA champion Guangdong summer league)
USA (Southern California Asian Americans)

Philippines basically will be bannered by a the Air 21 basketball team from the PBA not the B-squad (aka. aspirants) of the national team which played in the Jones Cup.

;)

[sinobball]

Philippines basically will be bannered by a the Air 21 basketball team from the PBA not the B-squad (aka. aspirants) of the national team which played in the Jones Cup.

;)I see, sorry.

the picture of the PBA slam dunk champ (Canaleta) misled me. I see the de Ocampo brothers also played in Jones Cup.

[Kings]

http://www.basketball.org.hk/images/schedule.jpg

[CHINA TEAM]

Why not NO.10 player- ZHOUJUNHUA(SF 197cm) in GUANGDONGHONHYUAN??:confused:

http://www.winnerway.com/script/basketball/manage/pic/3171044191333.jpg

[erektus]

Some of you might remember that I watched last year's Super Kung Sheung Cup in HK and gave a blow-by-blow reportage of RP-Air21's games.

While this is only a second-tier (maybe even third-tier) tourney (at the level of SEABA or SEA games), Filipinos living and working here always look forward to cheering for any RP squad visiting HK.

I just hope the organizers stop promoting Air21 as the "National Team of the Philippines" in their flyers. My Chinese friends here think that Air21 is already the cream of the crop of the PBA when they aren't (except maybe for Canaleta and R. De Ocampo who are still raw but will become stars in a few years' time). I love Air21's exciting style of play, though.

Anyway, I'm watching the first game tomorrow vs. Singapore and will try to post my comments here, maybe even a few highlight reels.

Cheers!

[lrangels]

Some of you might remember that I watched last year's Super Kung Sheung Cup in HK and gave a blow-by-blow reportage of RP-Air21's games.

While this is only a second-tier (maybe even third-tier) tourney (at the level of SEABA or SEA games), Filipinos living and working here always look forward to cheering for any RP squad visiting HK.

I just hope the organizers stop promoting Air21 as the "National Team of the Philippines" in their flyers. My Chinese friends here think that Air21 is already the cream of the crop of the PBA when they aren't (except maybe for Canaleta and R. De Ocampo who are still raw but will become stars in a few years' time). I love Air21's exciting style of play, though.

Anyway, I'm watching the first game tomorrow vs. Singapore and will try to post my comments here, maybe even a few highlight reels.

Cheers!

Yeah! The national team basically is sponsored by San Miguel Corporation, which should not be mistaken by the San Miguel Beermen in the PBA. They just have the same corporate sponsor or representing the same corporate banner but a different team.

Maybe when Air 21 joined the tournament they listed themselves as the "national team" because the owner of the franchise is Joey Lina. Who happens to be the president of the defunct BAP.

;)

[erektus]

Pareng Irangels, long time no talk...

As you can see, the Air21 delegation is headed by disgraced BAP sec-gen Graham Lim himself, who is known to be lovey-dovey with outgoing FIBA pressy Carl Menky Ching, a HKnese.

If I ever get to see Graham on the court today, I will bitch-slap him on the spot. =P

[jramoyo]

Pareng Irangels, long time no talk...

As you can see, the Air21 delegation is headed by disgraced BAP sec-gen Graham Lim himself, who is known to be lovey-dovey with outgoing FIBA pressy Carl Menky Ching, a HKnese.

If I ever get to see Graham on the court today, I will bitch-slap him on the spot. =P

yes please do :D

[erektus]

Just finished watching the game between RP-Air21 and the Singapore NT (reportedly backstopped by a few players from Mainland China).

It was an ugly game with lots of turnovers and easy misses, partly because both teams employed trapping and pressure defense all throughout the game.

RP-Air21 looked sluggish in the beginning, while Singapore impressed me with their quick passing game, drive-and-kick plays and outside sniping. They looked like a watered down version of Korea. HK plays the same way, too.

But in the end, RP-Air21's individual talent enabled them to bury Singapore by 34 points, 101-75.

Canaleta, the De Ocampo brothers and Tubid all looked sluggish! Perhaps due to the one-week grind they faced while playing at the Jones Cup just a few days ago.

[jramoyo]

Just finished watching the game between RP-Air21 and the Singapore NT (reportedly backstopped by a few players from Mainland China).

It was an ugly game with lots of turnovers and easy misses, partly because both teams employed trapping and pressure defense all throughout the game.

RP-Air21 looked sluggish in the beginning, while Singapore impressed me with their quick passing game, drive-and-kick plays and outside sniping. They looked like a watered down version of Korea. HK plays the same way, too.

But in the end, RP-Air21's individual talent enabled them to bury Singapore by 34 points, 101-75.

Canaleta, the De Ocampo brothers and Tubid all looked sluggish! Perhaps due to the one-week grind they faced while playing at the Jones Cup just a few days ago.

did Air21 bring an import with them?

[erektus]

Nope, they played all-Filipino.

Tubid managed to sizzle with his derring-do drives only towards the end of the game.

Canaleta was a bit disappointing as he had butter fingers and kept on losing the ball. On a couple of occasions he even had a chance to dunk it (he ain't the PBA's slamdunk king for nothing) but settled for a boring layup instead.
Well, they just arrived from Taiwan yesterday after playing 7 straight days at the Jones Cup, so I'll give him a couple of days to get back into the groove.

Yancy was a sorry sight. Ranidel hardly played.

[j34dollarz]

so did you slap graham lim in the face?

[sinobball]

Day 1:

http://www.takungpao.com/common/resize.asp?img=/news/images/06/07/19/wf-11.jpg
Asian American team, led by former Oxidental (NCAAD3) captain Song Cun Sau, defeated the Japanese team 114-76. Larry Tieu playing for Concorda (NCAAD3) scored 21.

Philippines 105-71 Singapore
Malaysia 60-48 Thailand
Hong Kong 70-64 China

[lrangels]

Day 1:

http://www.takungpao.com/common/resize.asp?img=/news/images/06/07/19/wf-11.jpg
Asian American team, led by former Oxidental (NCAAD3) captain Song Cun Sau, defeated the Japanese team 114-76. Larry Tieu playing for Concorda (NCAAD3) scored 21.

Philippines 105-71 Singapore
Malaysia 60-48 Thailand
Hong Kong 70-64 China

Thanks for the update man.

;)

[Kings]

Philippines 105-71 Japan
China 81-72 Malaysia
USA 80-56 Singapore
Chinese Hongkong 67-58 Thailand

[lrangels]

Philippines 105-71 Japan
China 81-72 Malaysia
USA 80-56 Singapore
Chinese Hongkong 67-58 Thailand

Thanks for the update Kings. I guess USA and Philippines is now in the final four.

;)

[Kings]

Singapore 68-61 Japan
China 72-64 Thailand
USA 97-79 Philippines
Chinese Hongkong 67-66 Malaysia

[erektus]

This was an ugly, ugly game. And it was a much closer and tightly fought game than the score suggests.

RP-Air21 controlled much of the game and even led by as many as 10 points in the first half. However, the SCFA Team, composed of mostly Chinese-Americans (plus a couple of Fil-Ams, a Jap-Am, a Kor-Am and 2 big white centers) from NCAA Div 2-3 teams, made a run in the 4th quarter through a barrage of 3-pointers -- and A LOT OF HELP from the HK referees.

Highly questionable calls by the refs caused at least 5 "double technical fouls" to be called against the Filipinos. One double technical foul awards 2 freethrows to the opposing team plus ball possession -- this means that SCFA essentially had at least 10 "free points" courtesy of the refs.

The technical fouls also caused 2 Air21 players to be ejected from the court (Canaleta and Arboleda). Canaleta was thrown out when he confronted the ref on a non-call (he was hacked in mid-air) and, in a fit of fury, made a motion to "nudge" the ref. Tubid fouled out on consecutive fouls (what foul???).

Coach Johnny Tam walked into the court at least 4 times to confront the refs and had to be contained by security guards. Ryan Bernardo, Air21's reserve forward who's built like a bear, also stormed in and looked like he wanted to bodyslam the referee.

When the game ended, the refs had to be whisked out of the playing court as Filipino fans (me included) were itching to pounce on them. I even had a minor verbal scuffle with a local fan who was annoyed by my loud tirades against the refs. heheh

We would have easily dominated that game had the refs called it fair. To make matters worse, we missed the De Ocampo brothers (Ranidel and Yancy), as the 2 key players earlier flew back home to Manila on news of their father's death.

The only positive thing out of this whole mess was the players from both teams coming together at center court after the game to shake hands in a gesture of sportsmanship.

In fairness to the Asian-Americans, though, they did wax hot from the 3-point area and this sparked their run. Another key was their 5'6 PG who broke down the defense with his lightning-quick drive-and-kick plays.

Next game will be vs. the home team, Hong Kong, tomorrow in the cross-over semis. We expect to be fried crisp by partial referees again, so we should come mentally prepared. The De Ocampo brothers are such a big loss, too. Major adjustments are in order.

[bognut]

wow really... nice update....

anyways what happened to the deocampo brothers? were they injured? suspended? looks like the 2 teams will meet again in the finals... hopefully different outcome... Go RP

[erektus]

No, their father died so they had to fly back to Manila. I also heard that Canaleta and Arboleda might get suspended for the game tomorrow vs. HK.

If that happens, we're down to 7 players (worse, we just lost 4 of our top scorers!). Our chances are getting bleaker and bleaker by the day. It's so frustrating that, even in a minor tournament such as this, RP always ends up with such tough luck.

Can you imagine tomorrow the HK coliseum will be filled to the rafters with local HK fans and they will all think that those 7 players from Air21 are our "National Team" (in other words, our "best of the best players"). That's what the organizers want them to think. That's what FIBA pressy and Hongkie Carl Menky Ching wants them to think (to make their victory all the sweeter).

Totally absurd.

[Kings]

Semi-Finals
USA 81-75 China
Chinese Hongkong 83-76 Philippines
7/8 Places
Thailand 70-60 Japan
5/6 Places
Malaysia 88-77 Singapore

[DimeDropper]

Whoooa!

I can imagine a depleted Air-21 team playing their guts out. Not only that, but without their top-scorers as well.

The defending champs with the homecourt advantage beat them with what, a measly 7 points? Seven players downed with 7 points? I can live with that.;)

Can't wait to see Winnerway vs. Air-21 for the bronze.
I wonder how these 2 Filipinos are playing in the Asian American team.
(Tablante and Aquino.)

[Kings]

3/4 Places
China 102-87 Philippines

Finals
USA 85-77 Chinese Hongkong
[24-26,18-18,24-9,19-24]
USA:
#12 Lance Soderberg 26Points
#11 Cun Sou Song 11Assists
Chinese Hongkong:
#8 Li Weilun 19Points
#6 Liu Zijian 17Points
#7 Hu Guofeng 15Points

[erektus]

Although we lost, the game vs. Hong Kong was a good one.

Hong Kong won it fair and square, as the organizers appeared to have acceded to RP-Air21's request for the refs to be changed. The new refs, a Japanese and a Singaporean, called it clean this time.

Once again, RP-Air21 dominated the first three quarters, only to fade away in the closing minutes -- partly because they were undermanned (only 7 players; Canaleta was allowed to play but Arboleda was injured) and partly because they were overconfident.

During the warm-up / roundrobin, 6'0 Tubid and 6'5 Canaleta drew oohs and ahhs from the local crowd with a ram-rattling exhibition. The HK players, on the other hand, simply went through the usual motions and practiced their outside shooting.

Even before the opening tip-off, we knew this was going to be American-style vs. European-style basketball. And we all know what happens when these 2 contrasting styles collide.

In the first half, Tubid played "cocky" basketball and continued to showcase his fancy moves and daredevil drives. Defensively, he even blocked a couple of fastbreak lay-ups from behind. HK's guards didn't even know where he came from. He was fully charged.

Homer Se, Air21's 6-5 center (pitching in for the loss of 6'9 Yancy De ocampo), danced and bullied his way around HK's taller but thinner frontline.

The combination of "cocksure" offense and defensive intensity made Hong Kong play "scared" and tentative throughout the first half. RP-Air21 led by 11 after 2 quarters.

And then, as expected, Hong Kong adjusted its defensive strategy in the second half. They knew that the Filipinos played individualistic, shoot-first basketball. They collapsed on anyone who drove the lane, knowing that he would try to shoot first rather than pass. This frustrated Tubid who started forcing his shots. Same thing with Mark Telan, who for some strange reason opted to drive than go for his reliable mid-range jumpers. Homer Se had a bad knee and sat out most of the second half.

The turnovers broke the game open and Hong Kong's three-point shots started to sink in they regained their confidence. RP-Air21's only calming presence was Canaleta who played unselfish basketball and even energized the crowd with a breakaway slam in one fastbreak play.

It was still anybody's ballgame with under 2 minutes to go but Tubid was called for an offensive foul in one fastbreak play (he "hooked" his arm around his defender's waist while going for a spin move). And that was it.

I didn't watch the game vs. CBA champions Guangdong-China (which fielded in their summer team minus their stars). I figured they were too undermanned against the taller and younger Chinese, who had three 7-footers and a couple of promising guards.

Oh well, it's been a tough year for RP basketball internationally. I hope the RP Team will reverse the tide in Qatar.

P.S.
The two Filipino-Americans (Tablante and Aquino) in the Asian-American team, which yesterday beat HK to emerge champions -- were among the top shooters and scorers in the tournament. I was impressed. They could give Ritualo a run for his money. I wonder if they would be interested in playing in the PBA? hehe

Tablante, especially, was the one that killed RP-Air21 with I think 4 or 5 three-point shots in the deciding 4th quarter run. In every game that I watched him, he was probably sinking 80% of his three-point shot attempts. Aquino was a consistent shooter, too.

As in the RP Aspirants' stint at the Jones Cup, Filipino teams' main weakness was once again exposed here in HK: how to defend against a good passing team that drives and kicks and knocks down threes from anywhere.

The Asian-American team always had one big, mobile Center on the court and 4 mid-sized players who could all dribble, pass and shoot. They deserved to be champions this year.

[bognut]

wow. nice update mr erektus. you think the 2 pinoys are proespects? well i hope they are pinoys. i mean not only the lineage but their papers as well. anyways goodluck to RP team!

[DimeDropper]

WANTED: Outstanding Filipino Scouts.
JOB DESCRIPTION: Find somebody like these two Pinoys from California.:D

Joe Tablante was from CAL POLY (California State Polytechnic University). NCAA Div II Team. He used to top score in their local games, just don't know if he was able to play in the NCAA. Anyone knows?

He certainly can play in the PBA, yup..., but the question is, is he a real Pinoy? Although, the Tablante's in the Philippines are from the North. Ilocanos they are. Rumor... He used to have a Jap-Am girlfriend, who's a bball player too, for CAL POLY.
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Nice point there Erektus, re: the defense against these outside bombers who can pass, much like South Korea's team. Korea is known for their 3 to 4 guards lineup who does nothing but kill you with treys.

That's why I think guards like W. Miller, J. Alapag, M. Caguioa and J. Helterbrand are really perfect for the RP-NT. They can harass these killers with their speed, and at the same time counter you with their own arc bombers. Not to mention their over-all court generalship. (Helterbrand and Alapag top the assists dept. in the PBA.) This is in contrast with the old guards of the RP team who are just playmakers or just rely on their quickness. Like O. Racela, J. Abarrientos, Marata and the others.

To surmise..., I think that the European brand of play which is being adapted by our Asian counterparts is really the appropriate style for the RP-NT.
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I'm confident that there will be surprises in Qatar after all these setbacks...


DimeDropper||"Power is not revealed by striking hard or often, but by striking true."||

[sinobball]

I'm a little disappointed that Guangdong from China didn't win the title but lost to the USA team in the semifinal in overtime. Like you said, Guangdong had 3 big 7 footers (Su Wei, Wang Zheng and Mo Guochao, though none of them had played in CBA) and 4 players in last year's CBA championship team. I think their biggest weakness is they could not adapt well to USA's physical and American-style of play. But again, I didn't watch the game.

Two players of the USA roster, Maki and Han were absent as they were in Japan signing contracts. The USA's star 5'7'' PG Song Cun Sou, who was a star in Oxidental College (NCAA D3) and Asian-American scene, is contemplating in playing in Taiwan next year. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if the Fil-Ams in the team would eventually land in Philippines.

[RetiredJordanStopper]

Although we lost, the game vs. Hong Kong was a good one.

Hong Kong won it fair and square, as the organizers appeared to have acceded to RP-Air21's request for the refs to be changed. The new refs, a Japanese and a Singaporean, called it clean this time.

Once again, RP-Air21 dominated the first three quarters, only to fade away in the closing minutes -- partly because they were undermanned (only 7 players; Canaleta was allowed to play but Arboleda was injured) and partly because they were overconfident.

During the warm-up / roundrobin, 6'0 Tubid and 6'5 Canaleta drew oohs and ahhs from the local crowd with a ram-rattling exhibition. The HK players, on the other hand, simply went through the usual motions and practiced their outside shooting.

Even before the opening tip-off, we knew this was going to be American-style vs. European-style basketball. And we all know what happens when these 2 contrasting styles collide.

In the first half, Tubid played "cocky" basketball and continued to showcase his fancy moves and daredevil drives. Defensively, he even blocked a couple of fastbreak lay-ups from behind. HK's guards didn't even know where he came from. He was fully charged.

Homer Se, Air21's 6-5 center (pitching in for the loss of 6'9 Yancy De ocampo), danced and bullied his way around HK's taller but thinner frontline.

The combination of "cocksure" offense and defensive intensity made Hong Kong play "scared" and tentative throughout the first half. RP-Air21 led by 11 after 2 quarters.

And then, as expected, Hong Kong adjusted its defensive strategy in the second half. They knew that the Filipinos played individualistic, shoot-first basketball. They collapsed on anyone who drove the lane, knowing that he would try to shoot first rather than pass. This frustrated Tubid who started forcing his shots. Same thing with Mark Telan, who for some strange reason opted to drive than go for his reliable mid-range jumpers. Homer Se had a bad knee and sat out most of the second half.

The turnovers broke the game open and Hong Kong's three-point shots started to sink in they regained their confidence. RP-Air21's only calming presence was Canaleta who played unselfish basketball and even energized the crowd with a breakaway slam in one fastbreak play.

It was still anybody's ballgame with under 2 minutes to go but Tubid was called for an offensive foul in one fastbreak play (he "hooked" his arm around his defender's waist while going for a spin move). And that was it.

I didn't watch the game vs. CBA champions Guangdong-China (which fielded in their summer team minus their stars). I figured they were too undermanned against the taller and younger Chinese, who had three 7-footers and a couple of promising guards.

Oh well, it's been a tough year for RP basketball internationally. I hope the RP Team will reverse the tide in Qatar.

P.S.
The two Filipino-Americans (Tablante and Aquino) in the Asian-American team, which yesterday beat HK to emerge champions -- were among the top shooters and scorers in the tournament. I was impressed. They could give Ritualo a run for his money. I wonder if they would be interested in playing in the PBA? hehe

Tablante, especially, was the one that killed RP-Air21 with I think 4 or 5 three-point shots in the deciding 4th quarter run. In every game that I watched him, he was probably sinking 80% of his three-point shot attempts. Aquino was a consistent shooter, too.

As in the RP Aspirants' stint at the Jones Cup, Filipino teams' main weakness was once again exposed here in HK: how to defend against a good passing team that drives and kicks and knocks down threes from anywhere.

The Asian-American team always had one big, mobile Center on the court and 4 mid-sized players who could all dribble, pass and shoot. They deserved to be champions this year.




nice to hear from you again errektus!!!!we miss you in the other forum (MyPBA)....nice posts

[erektus]

Guangdong actually had it in the bag and should have won that semifinal game vs. the Asian-Americans, but SCFA's Spencer Forter, a 6'7 sweet-shooting PF, sank a desperation three-pointer to beat the buzzer and send the game into overtime (with a 7-footer's hand in his face).

Guandong's youth and inexperience proved fatal in overtime as SCFA stepped up the pressure D. I do agree with you that their main weakness is adapting to American-style physical play. But this Guangdong team is still young and could learn a lot by playing in such tourneys. I was even surprised to see some pretty good low-post moves from their frontline and some penetration moves from their backcourt, which is not typical for old-school Chinese ballers. I guess what they really lack is the mental toughness to play against teams that play physical and "cocky" American basketball.

The Asian-American team did not play pure USA-style ball, though. It's more of a combo between American one-on-one moves and European pass-motion offense. That's why they were a beauty to watch.

And yes, Song Cun Sou is a smart, lightning-quick guard. At 5'6, he sort of reminds me of RP's Jimmy Alapag (maybe even quicker). Nobody from among Air21's guards could keep step with him, although Wynne Arboleda was pretty successful using his bulk to post him up on offense.



I'm a little disappointed that Guangdong from China didn't win the title but lost to the USA team in the semifinal in overtime. Like you said, Guangdong had 3 big 7 footers (Su Wei, Wang Zheng and Mo Guochao, though none of them had played in CBA) and 4 players in last year's CBA championship team. I think their biggest weakness is they could not adapt well to USA's physical and American-style of play. But again, I didn't watch the game.

Two players of the USA roster, Maki and Han were absent as they were in Japan signing contracts. The USA's star 5'7'' PG Song Cun Sou, who was a star in Oxidental College (NCAA D3) and Asian-American scene, is contemplating in playing in Taiwan next year. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if the Fil-Ams in the team would eventually land in Philippines.

[erektus]

Parekoy! Long time! I haven't been posting at mypba.com coz I've been busy. Plus I'm having log-in problems there for some reason.

[erektus]

Parekoy! Long time! I haven't been posting at mypba.com coz I've been busy. Plus I'm having log-in problems there for some reason.


nice to hear from you again errektus!!!!we miss you in the other forum (MyPBA)....nice posts

[RetiredJordanStopper]

Parekoy! Long time! I haven't been posting at mypba.com coz I've been busy. Plus I'm having log-in problems there for some reason.

Nice thread here...i just dont like how BAP exploited this tournament as well as the Sun Yut Sen tournament in China to showcase their so called programs and initiatives..we Filipinos know that they are non-existent....Air21 will continue to be the milking cow of Graham Lim and the Lina brothers as long as the whole POC-BAP-Basketball Pilipinas is not resolved....but a richly deserved compliment should go to the players..and also, i cant comprehend how Bo Perasol, Air21's PBA coach bowed and allowed himself to be relegated / demoted to an assistant coach only.... Johnny Tam, the so-called national team coach must really be that good huh????!!!!!

<< i think you have to register again in MyPBA..their server crashed early this year and wiped out a significant patch of its records and posts, a pretty nasty thing indeed... >>

[BELLOBLOCK]

yea baby finally took the chip! took second place the last two years but finally handled it!big ups to my teammates who came through..tablante,aquino,song, tieu...

[pachador]

I play pick-up games with Larry Tieu here in los angeles. he is the 6'3" combo guard of that Asian-american team. he also played before for Concordia university. Basically, he is a very good ball-handler, athletic, very fast, slasher and will not hesitate to get you as a teammate even if its obvious you don't have game or even if your out of shape or short , etc. doesnt matter to him. nice guy. I wonder if he will play in hongkong this year again. I'll ask him tommorow if i see him at the gym.

The gym where i play pick-up games has a lot of young very good players of all races. the games are tough and rough with injuries happening all the time. since i started playing there 3 years ago, i have broken my left thumb , dislocated my left index finger, sprained by left and right ankles 5 times, broken my nose and have a floating bone fragment under my chin. well, what can i do? i'm addicted to the game.

[thugpinoy]

Question..

Why Air21 did not filled in some of their marquee players like Arwind Santos and Gary David, instead they put Ronal Tubid (from the other ballclub) and a " showtime " type of player.
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[Projectspeed]

Question..

Why Air21 did not filled in some of their marquee players like Arwind Santos and Gary David, instead they put Ronal Tubid (from the other ballclub) and a " showtime " type of player.


see the date of the posts:D

[black_thorne2001]

Question..

Why Air21 did not filled in some of their marquee players like Arwind Santos and Gary David, instead they put Ronal Tubid (from the other ballclub) and a " showtime " type of player.


this is from last year game.:D

[joel23]

this is from last year game.:D

last year, Air 21's the weakest team in the PBA...