PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. II)

[capitantiago]

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"Hangga't nasa amin iyang player na yan... Tandaan mo Snow... Hindi kami mag cha-champion!" (Sino yung player at taga saan yung nagsabi?) about 3 hours ago via web

miller nga. lol

[lovejones]

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"Hangga't nasa amin iyang player na yan... Tandaan mo Snow... Hindi kami mag cha-champion!" (Sino yung player at taga saan yung nagsabi?) about 3 hours ago via web

yep. like you guys, the first person that comes to mind is willie miller.

[EaglesEye]

yep. like you guys, the first person that comes to mind is willie miller.

Poor Willie Miller! If this is indeed true, he's the only player I know so far who has never been out of controversies wherever team he landed. From Red Bull, to Talk & Text, then to Alaska... He started his stints in those teams with flying colors but ended in a sour note....and this time with Ginebra, it seems he will follow the same path.

Even his two MVP awards in 2002 and 2006-2007 seasons, were not rested to an end without controversies.

Just what is it in him?

[thayil]

Poor Willie Miller! If this is indeed true, he's the only player I know so far who has never been out of controversies wherever team he landed. From Red Bull, to Talk & Text, then to Alaska... He started his stints in those teams with flying colors but ended in a sour note....and this time with Ginebra, it seems he will follow the same path.

Even his two MVP awards in 2002 and 2006-2007 seasons, were not rested to an end without controversies.

Just what is it in him?

work ethic

[Silent Killer]

Poor Willie Miller! If this is indeed true, he's the only player I know so far who has never been out of controversies wherever team he landed. From Red Bull, to Talk & Text, then to Alaska... He started his stints in those teams with flying colors but ended in a sour note....and this time with Ginebra, it seems he will follow the same path.

Even his two MVP awards in 2002 and 2006-2007 seasons, were not rested to an end without controversies.

Just what is it in him?

won MVP's without superstar players. those superstar players play with PHL team.. 2006-2007 was a dream season for caguioa but sacrifices for the sake of playing for PHL team.. Willie Miller Never won MVP with superstar players on their mother club.. Miller for servicable big man will do.

[Silent Killer]

Originally Posted by Cryotek View Post
It'll really be a big gamble for this team to trade his most sought PG in their roster for a former 2nd overall pick big man which still riding on the bench.




You forgot Sam Eman....He was the 2007 2nd pick overall Ryan Reyes was 3rdl
that also comes to mind. joe devance was pick 1st by welcoat franchise and the 2nd pick was own by SMB in which they get eman in the draft. since that big man name eman from time to time riding on the bench, It maybe:

Castro for Eman straight up trade.

[durden_tyler]

yep. like you guys, the first person, second person, third person, fourth person and fifth person that comes to mind is willie miller.

Now, that's more apt. :D

[Khalid80]

Alpha Bangura Escaped from Anibal secretly and went To Philipines!! (by Rabih Khoury)

In a very strange move, Alpha Bangura (197-F/G-80, agency: Interperformances, college: St.John's) disappeared Sunday from Lebanon after acting that he is injured in a very important game for his team Anibal on Saturday against Hoops. Bangura played just 13 minutes in the game, and then acted to have a sprained Ankle and left the game. Anibal management found out on sunday that Alpha left the country without notifying the club. Then on monday, it was published that Bangura went to Philipines to join Air 21 in the PBA League. It was a strange move from the veteran professional player, noting that his contract with Anibal Zahle ends in May and he don't have his release.!!! Will FIBA allows him to play in PBA??

http://www.asia-basket.com/Lebanon/basketball.asp?NewsID=220009

Wanted dead or alive :D

[nardy]

http://www.asia-basket.com/Lebanon/basketball.asp?NewsID=220009

Wanted dead or alive :D


In a few hours we'll know if Alpha got his FIBA release papers. FIBA is investigating his claim of 3 months delay in salary.

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"Hangga't nasa amin iyang player na yan... Tandaan mo Snow... Hindi kami mag cha-champion!" (Sino yung player at taga saan yung nagsabi?) about 3 hours ago via web

just want to share this old write-up by Sydman titled "Friend of Foe" in http://hoops.blink.ph/2010/10/20/friend-or-foe/ regarding Willie Miller....



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[LCM]

Miller for Reavis

[nardy]

Miller for Reavis

Not allowed, they're from SMC sister teams. They need a conduit.

[Khalid80]

In a few hours we'll know if Alpha got his FIBA release papers. FIBA is investigating his claim of 3 months delay in salary.

In Lebanon there's a different side of the story :cool:

Also Anibal was known to have a big budget this season and spent a lot of money assembling their roster for this season so I don't believe they would delay paying the salary for their best player on the team....


Amous: Alpha Bangura's contract with us ends in May and playing today in Philippines is not authorized. (by Rabih Khoury)

Following the surprising escape from Alpha Bangura, asia-basket.com had a small interview with Anibal Zahle manager Dany Amous , and here is what he said.

We were very surprised by the move from Alpha. He was getting paid regularly and never late. His contract with our team ends in May 2011 and we already made a complaint to FIBA about this issue. Bangura damaged our team a lot by quitting the country and without notifying us especially that we have very important games coming. Also we knew today that he played his first game in Philippines with his new team Air 21, and this move will hurt both sides very much because we didn't give the clearance letter for Bangura. FIBA laws should apply on all leagues, and players doing such crazy moves should be banned. Moreover the teams signing such players, should be fined!!!

http://forums.interbasket.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=560163

[nardy]

In Lebanon there's a different side of the story :cool:

Also Anibal was known to have a big budget this season and spent a lot of money assembling their roster for this season so I don't believe they would delay paying the salary for their best player on the team....



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Air21 import Bangura gets green light to play

03/09/2011 | 03:03 PM

Pending his letter of clearance from the Lebanese Basketball League, veteran FIBA Africa campaigner Alpha Bangura can suit up and reinforce the Air21 Express in their 5 p.m. encounter against Smart Gilas Wednesday in the PBA Commissioner’s Cup at the Astrodome.

Bangura, a former member of the Libyan national team, replaces the ineffective Jeremy Robinson.

PBA operations manager Rickie Santos made this clarification to GMA News, saying the import can play while his clearance is still being worked out.

"In the PBA, imports are given a 15-day grace period, mainly because there are imports being tapped right away," said Santos in a telephone interview.

"But while playing, his mother team needs to work on his Letter of Clearance (LOC) the soonest possible time to avoid being penalized."

Should the import fail to get his clearance after the 15-day grace period, he will be suspended from playing and his mother team will be penalized $7,500 euro, according to Santos.

"The communication in terms of sending LOC is between federation to federation. The Lebanese basketball federation will send the LOC to Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, so the LOC of Bangura should come from the SBP. If the import fails to secure the LOC, FIBA, which is the governing body in basketball, will penalize the SBP, then the SBP will fine the PBA. On our part, we will fine the import’s mother team, which is Air21," explained Santos.

Allan Gregorio, Air21 team manager, said they have the documents which will prove that Bangura can play legally in the PBA.

"Aside from the 15-day grace period, we have all the documents to prove he is legally okay to play, and Annibal, Bangura’s former team in Lebanon, will not pursue any legal battle with him," said Gregorio in a text message. - Rey Joble, JVP, KY, GMA News

[lovejones]

better hope and pray you're right allan because if you're wrong....

[Buenafine]

Who is Meralco's new import? Anybody with the news?

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[Big Ticket]

Who is Meralco's new import? Anybody with the news?

chamberlain oguchi...an american-nigerian...

[nardy]

chamberlain oguchi...an american-nigerian...

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To allow Oguchi to play wud put d SBP in a precarious sit. Its not simply a matter of paying a fine. Its a matter of regulatory compliance.
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PBA shudnt allow new Meralco import to play tom bec NBADL has not given clearance to play due to an existing contract. This is Fiba's rule
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[nardy]

In a few hours we'll know if Alpha got his FIBA release papers. FIBA is investigating his claim of 3 months delay in salary.


better hope and pray you're right allan because if you're wrong....


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@NardyM (http://twitter.com/NardyM). LBF also issued a disapproval today of Bangura's clearance. Ministerial lang ang sbp. Bangura has to take this up w/ LBF or Fiba.
20 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/NoliEala/status/45797269177507842)

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@NardyM (http://twitter.com/NardyM). LBF also issued a disapproval today of Bangura's clearance. Ministerial lang ang sbp. Bangura has to take this up w/ LBF or Fiba.
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Again I believe Bangura took the wrong decision and he probably will regret doing this move by just running away while he is under contract with a team... If he really wasn't getting paid FIBA will grant him his rights (I really doubt this though cause as I previously mentioned Anibal is not known to do such things with their players especially if that player is the best on the team)

[nardy]

Again I believe Bangura took the wrong decision and he probably will regret doing this move by just running away while he is under contract with a team... If he really wasn't getting paid FIBA will grant him his rights (I really doubt this though cause as I previously mentioned Anibal is not known to do such things with their players especially if that player is the best on the team)

you are correct that both Annibal and Air21 are victims here.

Bangura and his agent misled Air21 management, now the team has to pay over 500 thousand pesos as fine for playing Alpha yesterday.

[clean04]

you are correct that both Annibal and Air21 are victims here.

Bangura and his agent misled Air21 management, now the team has to pay over 500 thousand pesos as fine for playing Alpha yesterday.

And the 500k pesos will be deducted to Allan Gregorio's salary? :D

[nardy]

And the 500k pesos will be deducted to Allan Gregorio's salary? :D

Since basketball is now an international game, the management of our teams should familiarized themselves with the FIBA Rules and Regulations.

Even the NBA does not dare cross with these rules, so even if they have a big desire to get talents like Ricky Rubio they abide with the rules and avoid being accused of tampering or something while these players are under contract.

Its been a long time that the PBA thought they are a league of their own, but today the game has all leagues actually inter-connected with each other and it is FIBA that regulates everything.

[clean04]

Since basketball is now an international game, the management of our teams should familiarized themselves with the FIBA Rules and Regulations.

Even the NBA does not dare cross with these rules, so even if they have a big desire to get talents like Ricky Rubio they abide with the rules and avoid being accused of tampering or something while these players are under contract.

And Rudy Fernandez who wants to return Spain to play basketball but he can't because he still have NBA contract and Portland don't allow him..

[nardy]

And Rudy Fernandez who wants to return Spain to play basketball but he can't because he still have NBA contract and Portland don't allow him..

its a 2-way street ..... one has to abide to ones contract. You cannot just do what you want to do just because you want to especially when you are already have an obligation or under contract.

Remember the time Alex Cabagnot tried to walk away from his contract with Sta Lucia and Buddy Encarnado was able to get FIBA to issue a warning that he would be banned from joining any ballclub around the world.

[ANIBAL-RK]

you are correct that both Annibal and Air21 are victims here.

Bangura and his agent misled Air21 management, now the team has to pay over 500 thousand pesos as fine for playing Alpha yesterday.

Air 21 management cant blame anyone for this unless itself... i dont know how a team goes into negotiations with a player knowing that the player has already a signed contract with another team and he is playing for it!!
Air 21 management made a big mistake by signing Bangura, and they will pay for their mistake big time...

[nardy]

Air 21 management cant blame anyone for this unless itself... i dont know how a team goes into negotiations with a player knowing that the player has already a signed contract with another team and he is playing for it!!
Air 21 management made a big mistake by signing Bangura, and they will pay for their mistake big time...

As per Allan Gregorio, Team Manager of Air 21 Bangura and his agent had furnished them documents which will prove that Bangura can play legally in the PBA.
"Aside from the 15-day grace period, we have all the documents to prove he is legally OK to play and Annibal, Bangura's former team in Lebanon, will not pursue any legal battle with him," said Gregorio in a text message.
But ANNIBAL-RK, FOR YOUR INFO - Our PBA has been a league of its own for so many years already, it does coordinate with the FIBA as it is an independent league from the very start and is not under the control of the Basketball Association of the Philippines (BAP) which is the predecessor of the present Samahang Basketbol of the Philippines (SBP). So a number of our people have no idea with regards to the FIBA Rules and Regulations regarding Player transfers.

But I do agree its not an excuse for not knowing said regulations.

However we Filipinos are trusting people, so maybe it is the fault of Air21 to just trust the assurances and documents given by Alpha Bangura and his agent from Interperformances Inc that he is free to transfer.

The only time I can recall a similar case happening in the PBA was in 2009 Fiesta Conference when San Miguel Beer's original choice for its import Nate Carter failed to secure his release papers from the St. Etienne BC in France. Carter failed to secure his release from France, a FIBA requirement before moving on to another league.

Its only now that Filipinos are more enlightened about the said FIBA Requirement.

PBA operations manager Rickie Santos made the following clarification that an import can play while his clearance is being worked out.:

"In the PBA, imports are given a 15-day grace period, mainly because there are imports being tapped right away"
"But while playing, his mother team needs to work on his Letter of Clearance (LOC) the soonest possible time to avoid being penalized."

Should the import failed to get his clearance after the 15-day grace period, he will be suspended from playing and his mother team will be penalized €7,500 (P451,775), according to Santos.

"The communication in terms of sending LOC is between federation to federation. The Lebanese basketball federation will send the LOC to Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, so the LOC of Bangura should come from the SBP. If the import failed to secure the LOC, FIBA, which is the governing body in basketball, will penalize the SBP, then the SBP will fine the PBA. On our part, we will fine the import's mother team, which is Air21".

[nardy]

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Sale of Barako franchise faces rough sailing

By WAYLON GALVEZ
March 10, 2011, 11:20pm


MANILA, Philippines – Just when nearly everyone thought Phoenix Petroleum Philippines Inc.’s entry to the elite Philippine Basketball Association will be smooth and trouble-free, it now appears that there is a big stumbling block to its take over of the Barako Bull franchise.


A source said a PBA team member has indicated that it might resist Phoenix’s planned entry because of product competition.



Although at present there is no team that sells the same products as Phoenix, which is oil and lubricants, that might not be the case in the next conference where it is rumored that Petron, 60 percent owned by SMC, might come in as a replacement for one of the San Miguel teams.



The food and beverage empire has three teams in the PBA. Besides San Miguel, there is B-Meg and Ginebra.



“Phoenix, I think, will have a hard time coming in to replace Barako Bull,” said the same source who asked not to be named.



The source, a league insider, revealed that Phoenix’s bid faces rough sailing because it needs two-thirds vote – or seven of the 10 member teams – to get board approval to acquire Barako’s franchise which at present is valued at around P60 million. Phoenix will also have to pay the PBA a one-time acceptance fee of P6 million.



PBA chairman Rene Pardo of B-Meg said the board will discuss the matter of Barako’s sale on Tuesday.



“It’s in our agenda,” Pardo said Thursday. “The management of Barako Bull told us that they will stay until the third conference.” He said that now that they are leaving for good, we want to know the reason.



When Barako filed a leave of absence last month, it informed the PBA that it will return and play in the third conference. But two weeks ago, Barako Bull wrote the PBA Commissioner’s Office of its intention to sell its franchise to Phoenix and will no longer play in third conference also known as the Governor’s Cup.

[raichu08]

Remember back in 2009 Jai Lewis also had a live contract in Japan but went directly to ROS. Powerade team pilipinas nearly got barred from fiba 09 since they were warned about the issue days before the tianjin meet and JB Baylon had to secure paying the fine from the PBA office to fiba.

[nardy]

Remember back in 2009 Jai Lewis also had a live contract in Japan but went directly to ROS. Powerade team pilipinas nearly got barred from fiba 09 since they were warned about the issue days before the tianjin meet and JB Baylon had to secure paying the fine from the PBA office to fiba.

ahh yes thanks for reminding me. That was also in 2009 same time when Nate Carter was not fielded in by San Miguel but was already in town and had his height officially measured by the PBA. Jai Lewis who before joining former George Mason teamate Gabe Norwood at Rain ot Shine last played in Japan with the Rera Kamu Hokkaido team. If I am not mistaken, Jai had actually already played the whole conference for Rain or Shine but still has not secured clearance which he should have been gotten first from the JBL team before signing up with ROS.


RP quintet saved from disqualification
Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:27:00 AM
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

A simple administrative snafu almost caused the Powerade-Team Pilipinas from being disqualified from participating in the 25th Fiba Asia Men's Basketball Championships, which opens in Tianjin, China tomorrow.

FIBA informed the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas at the last minute that a Philippine Basketball Association import, who signed up to play for Rain or Shine, failed to get the required clearance from his mother team which is regarded as a violation by FIBA.

The international basketball federation informed the SBP of the problem and threatened to stop the Philippines from competing in Tianjin, unless it remitted the assessed fine of the dollar equivalent of 7, 500 Swiss francs, which is just over $7,000.

Standard Today, www.insidesports.ph (http://www.insidesports.ph) and Viva Sports learned that PBA commissioner Sonny Barrios attended to the problem immediately and made sure the money was sent by bank transfer to Geneva, Tuesday morning.

We are so out of it that we did not even know that our National Team would be barred from playing in the 2009 Tianjin FIBA-Asia Championship and we learned about it only on the eve of the tournament when FIBA informed the SBP on the last minute.

Hmmm... Since it was the PBA who paid the fine, I wonder if Rain or Shine paid back the PBA.

I like to echo again what I said during my post at that time.

"We here in the Philippines are really very much out of touch on how things are done internationally, We Filipinos are so used to shortcuts and 'pakiusap' that sometimes we forgot some countries or organizations are much stricter with regards to written rules. There are just many rules handed down by the FIBA which our people are not the familiar with.

Unfortunately, Our SBP is still a long way as they're still in a learning process. It did not help that the previous federation the BAP did not also fully implement what is written in the official manual of the FIBA." And there is no actual turnover of roles and duties from the BAP to the SBP.

[The_Big_Cat]

Poor Allan Gregorio he has been misled for the 2nd straight time. Well, according to the news releases he did not know of the negotiations in the trade of Guevarra, Al Hussaini and Baclao. And now the Bangura situation.

He is also preoccupied with his other job at Smart Gilas.

[ariel_muhlach]

Poor Allan Gregorio he has been misled for the 2nd straight time. Well, according to the news releases he did not know of the negotiations in the trade of Guevarra, Al Hussaini and Baclao. And now the Bangura situation.

He is also preoccupied with his other job at Smart Gilas.


lets pray that Toroman does not get sick or is not available come FIBA-Asia in China .... being the #1 Assistant Coach of Coach Rajko

the misled Allan might also misled GILAS ;)

Just ask his former players at UP ........... (curiously one of them is JayR Reyes now with Allan at Air21 but remember with Allan in charge of the Maroons, JayR disappeared from UP and enrolled at the Kalayaan College)

[nardy]

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Ogumi has been given clearance to play by Fiba as Meralco buys out existing contract from NBADL.
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[jundakki]

SG & SMB's game temporarily stops at 2ndQ 3:12 after Tugade hits Douhtit ang got technical foul......






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[silverwing]

the recent trading of san miguel backfires to them on their game today with smart gilas. losing a strong defense and offense by pena and dondon.lol

[nardy]

the recent trading of san miguel backfires to them on their game today with smart gilas. losing a strong defense and offense by pena and dondon.lol

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.

Now we can really see how important Olsen is to the Beermen, even though Cabagnot is a good Point Guard but he could not do it alone, am sorry but Miranda is not good enough and he makes the San Miguel look made a bad decision in trading-away Artadi after Racela already retired. Then getting Paolo Hubalde from Barako as their 3rd PG seems to be wrong also when Marvin Cruz, Aries Dimaunahan and Borgie Hermida are other Barako PGs they could have picked instead.

[silverwing]

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.

Now we can really see how important Olsen is to the Beermen, even though Cabagnot is a good Point Guard but he could not do it alone, am sorry but Miranda is not good enough and he makes the San Miguel look made a bad decision in trading-away Artadi after Racela already retired. Then getting Paolo Hubalde from Barako as their 3rd PG seems to be wrong also when Marvin Cruz, Aries Dimaunahan and Borgie Hermida are other Barako PGs they could have picked instead.

Rabeh should be suspended by san miguel for acting like that, He can not do that because San Miguel has a deep lineup, he is not the only scorer or star in this team, especially in his position. :D

Cabagnot has the offense but in leadership he sucks. when olsen retires i was expecting that dondon will replace him as a good leader together with Danny S. and Danny I.

Somebody will gonna be busted by the danding and RSA due to this humiliation, if this continues heads would be rolling :D

[Silent Killer]

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.

Now we can really see how important Olsen is to the Beermen, even though Cabagnot is a good Point Guard but he could not do it alone, am sorry but Miranda is not good enough and he makes the San Miguel look made a bad decision in trading-away Artadi after Racela already retired. Then getting Paolo Hubalde from Barako as their 3rd PG seems to be wrong also when Marvin Cruz, Aries Dimaunahan and Borgie Hermida are other Barako PGs they could have picked instead.

they should rather get dimaunahan instead of hubalde. aries been lots of team and is more of a leader than hubalde.

[ariel_muhlach]

Rabeh should be suspended by san miguel for acting like that, He can not do that because San Miguel has a deep lineup, he is not the only scorer or star in this team, especially in his position. :D

Cabagnot has the offense but in leadership he sucks. when olsen retires i was expecting that dondon will replace him as a good leader together with Danny S. and Danny I.

Somebody will gonna be busted by the danding and RSA due to this humiliation, if this continues heads would be rolling :D

our friend namamangha would not like that ..... his dear friend Noli Eala is still to assume his position officially next week. But he indeed got rid of the big contracts of 4 veteran players and only absorbed 3 rookie contracts which will save them big money in the long run and makre sure they have an able body in place when the old guys retired finally decides to hang their snickers.

It seems JayWash and Alex saying they are ready to take over and lead the team is still an on-going process.

Danny I as the Captain Ball is still adjusting to that role, a number of times Olsen would still need to approach him and tell him what to do. When the referees were calling out the Captain Balls at mid-court during the times the game was stopped, Danny I took some time to go there and Olsen was seen reminding him "Hoy ikaw yun".

The Coaching Staff just needs to put Rabeh on his proper place and muzzle him. This is why many say that it was even good for Gilas that he left the team as he was really a bad influence to Japeth and the rest of the guys.

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.

Now we can really see how important Olsen is to the Beermen, even though Cabagnot is a good Point Guard but he could not do it alone, am sorry but Miranda is not good enough and he makes the San Miguel look made a bad decision in trading-away Artadi after Racela already retired. Then getting Paolo Hubalde from Barako as their 3rd PG seems to be wrong also when Marvin Cruz, Aries Dimaunahan and Borgie Hermida are other Barako PGs they could have picked instead.

this is where the gilas is commendable i think. there policies for good attitude of the players are working for the team's own good. rabeh and cj giles are good riddances. gilas does not need players with heads bigger than the basketball.

[rspk]

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.

Now we can really see how important Olsen is to the Beermen, even though Cabagnot is a good Point Guard but he could not do it alone, am sorry but Miranda is not good enough and he makes the San Miguel look made a bad decision in trading-away Artadi after Racela already retired. Then getting Paolo Hubalde from Barako as their 3rd PG seems to be wrong also when Marvin Cruz, Aries Dimaunahan and Borgie Hermida are other Barako PGs they could have picked instead.

maybe SMB just got Rabeh so that they could initiate a trade with Talk and Text in the near future. we all know that Rabeh is a product of MVP's bankrolled team. and given that Norman Black is with TnT it might prove plausible.

probably Rabeh for a Smart Gilas player? :)

[reamily]

Good guards do come and go in the pba but good big men, a few:cool:

If you have a opportunity to bolt them in grab it, now multiple teams is a trend in this league:cool:

[nardy]

Just gotten bad News for SAN MIGUEL BEER Fans, Barako Bull and their prospective buyer, Phoenix Petroleum.

San Miguel Beermen will be no more and the team will now carry the name PETRON.

[jesronne]

Just gotten bad News for SAN MIGUEL BEER Fans, Barako Bull and their prospective buyer, Phoenix Petroleum.

San Miguel Beermen will be no more and the team will now carry the name PETRON.

from ronnie nathaniel sir? is it confirmed... i also read it on twitter..

[nardy]

from ronnie nathaniel sir? is it confirmed... i also read it on twitter..

it is the most practical and cheapest way to block the entry of Phoenix Petroleum as a PBA team, this way they don't have to buy a new franchise or buy-out a present team.

but personally, I feel its not right that the last game of the San Miguel Beermen in the PBA would be a 41-point loss. It does not give justice to the name which gave a lot of cheers to is fans.

But maybe RSA wants a fresh start in order to veer-away from the shadow of his mentor, Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco Jr, who's name would always be associated to San Miguel. I bet not many of the new generation knew that the original owners of San Miguel before ECJ came in were the cousins of the Ayalas, the Spanish-Filipinos Sorianos.

Times are now changing, with the veteran SMB players now gone, the team name would be changed, So what are we now to Expect from the Petron Blaze.


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[nardy]

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PBA: Petron taking over from SMB
By Nelson Beltran (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=Nelson+Bel tran) (philstar.com) Updated March 13, 2011 05:16 PM


MANILA, Philippines – San Miguel Corporation has notified PBA commissioner Chito Salud it is changing the team name of San Miguel Beer to Petron by the season’s third and final conference, a move that may stymie Phoenix Fuel’s bid to join the pro league as a new member ball club.


Salud said that SMC can field Petron being a part of the SMC holdings, and it is up to the PBA board of governors now whether it accepts Phoenix Fuel’s membership application.


The PBA board convenes in a meeting Friday to decide whether to approve or not Phoenix Fuel’s plan to purchase the Barako Bull franchise. The meeting was originally set for Tuesday.


The SMC group – made up of SMB, Barangay Ginebra and B-MEG Derby Ace – is likely to vote against Phoenix Fuel’s entry with it being a direct competitor of Petron in petroleum business.


“A business competitor of any PBA team isn’t allowed to enter into a co-branding deal in the league. What more entering as member team?” a league official said.


Salud, however, said the PBA by-laws and constitution are silent on this matter, thus, it’s really up to the board whether it approves or disapproves the Phoenix-Barako deal.


Phoenix needs two-thirds vote – at least seven of 10 PBA member teams – of the board to gain entry in the league.


Salud said he’s just tasked to present Phoenix Fuel’s financial statement that will show whether it has the capability to maintain a team in the league.


Several direct business competitors have been seen competing together in the pro league. There were Pepsi and Sarsi, San Miguel Beer and Manila Beer, Great Taste Coffee and Hills Brothers, and Purefoods and RFM Swift, among others.



Barako Bull is currently on leave, allowing Smart Gilas to take its place in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup.


The Energy Food and Drink Corporation of George Chua, however, has had an agreement with Phoenix Fuel for a franchise sale.


Phoenix Fuel has been a major sponsor of PBA out-of-town games in the last three years.

[insulares]

Not seen on TV was Rabeh complaining everytime he was taken off the court but Coach Ato Agustin and the rest of his coaching staff keeps on ignoring him even if Rabeh kept on talking.


This was the identical situation when Ateneo came over to Canada in the spring of 2009 to spar with the Simon Fraser University Clansmen in Burnaby.

The alumni cheered lustily in the overflow stands expecting one big fight from the Blue Eagles and their highly-touted centre. Instead, they witnessed a series of bone-headed plays and silly fouls from Rabeh (three quick fouls in the first few minutes of the game and God knows how many errors). I knew Black was sure to chew him out. Man, was I wrong.

Bad as his play was, his behaviour was worse. On the way to the bench, it was Rabeh who kept jawing at Black (who totally ignored him and didn't flinch from his Mr. Clean stare at the court). Once on his seat, Rabeh went for his best apathetic "naka de-kwatro" pose. His teammates carried the fight for Ateneo in the loss.

The guy was a total jerk. (sorry, fellow alums... I'm calling it as it is)

[silverwing]

maybe SMB just got Rabeh so that they could initiate a trade with Talk and Text in the near future. we all know that Rabeh is a product of MVP's bankrolled team. and given that Norman Black is with TnT it might prove plausible.

probably Rabeh for a Smart Gilas player? :)

I don't think so, remember that Air 21 is somewhat close to MVP, if MVP objects on trading Rabeh to San Miguel, I guess his words would matter. MVP himself knows that Rabeh has an attitude not fit on his teams like Gilas that's why he didnt pursue rabeh anymore. :D

[nardy]

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Phoenix PBA bid in danger; Petron Blaze could torch sale

June Navarro
First Posted 01:11:18 14/03/2011

MANILA---San Miguel Beer has announced plans to rename its team Petron Blaze, putting in peril Barako Bull’s plan to sell its Philippine Basketball Association franchise to Phoenix Fuel.

PBA commissioner Chito Salud received San Miguel’s notice for a change of name two days ago but yesterday refused to comment on the status of the Barako-Phoenix sale.

“They can do that,” Salud said of San Miguel’s plan for a name change, a crucial roadblock to the proposed franchise sale because the PBA board generally frowns on direct competitors acquiring teams in the league.

San Miguel Corporation has a 68-percent stake in Petron, more than enough to meet league requirements. SMC has also 18 direct shares and owns a shade over 50 percent of Petron’s offshore refinery.

Under PBA laws, a company must show proof that it owns at least 33 percent of another corporation for the latter to be considered part of the former’s holdings.

But it still isn’t the end for the PBA bid of Phoenix, a Davao-based petroleum company.

The decision whether to approve the proposed sale of the Barako franchise remains with the board, which is scheduled to convene on March 18.

The PBA, in the past, has shrugged off its lockout rule and allowed a couple of competing products to join in the league. The RFM franchise in the 90s used Swift Mighty Meaty, a direct rival of Purefoods in the processed meat business.

In the late 90s, Tanduay was also considered San Miguel’s competitor but was allowed to secure a franchise.

Barako Bull took a leave in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup and notified the board that it was offering to sell its franchise to Phoenix, the league’s sponsor in its out-of-town games.

The Energy Boosters will need a two-thirds vote from the 10 ballclubs, including itself, before the Photokina Marketing-owned franchise can transfer its PBA rights to Phoenix to the tune of at least P60 million.

[nardy]

As a matter of fairness, being a DIRECTOR of Petron Corporation, Angelico "Chito" T. Salud should abstain from taking part on the decision making on Petron's taking over the PBA team name from San Miguel Beer and to Phoenix Petroleum's PBA entry via purchasing Barako Bull's PBA franchise.

http://www.petron.com/pdf/List_Petron_Directors.pdf

[nardy]

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Block-a-Bull sale?
By HOOPH (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorname.aspx?AuthorName=By%20HOOPH ), March 14, 2011 12:00 AM


Looks like the sale of the Barako Bull PBA franchise to Phoenix Petroleum Philippines is running on, um, fumes.


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Bulls for sale

One stumbling block could be the SMC bloc or SMC block. For the rest of this entry, let’s refer to them as the "SMC Block."


The San Miguel Corporation owns 60 percent of Petron, and only an amateur exec would allow a direct competitor to get a share of the PBA exposure and ultimately, the petroleum market.


A P66-million franchise price tag is not the road block for the Davao-based oil company to go north and join the PBA. It could be the SMC Block. The SMC Block owns three teams in the PBA – the B-MEG Derby Ace Llamados ( the artist formerly known as Purefoods), Barangay Ginebra Kings and the banner SMC franchise San Miguel Beermen.


With the SMC Block having three votes in the PBA board, it would be hard for Phoenix to get inside the PBA paint, so to speak. They need seven governors’ votes to get the Barako Bull franchise.


Don’t forget too the fact that MVP has business interests in power, mining and transportation, and on any day, can enter the lucrative petro-business. So his teams’ votes regarding this Phoenix buy of Barako Bull is subject for study by his business deputies. The YES votes from MVP teams are not a sure shot.


The PBA board will convene on Friday (March 18). For the sake of fun, let’s do a mock PBA governors’ voting now!


Let’s assume for a moment that because of the MVP-SMC rivalry, the Manny Pangilinan-owned teams would want to annoy SMC so they’ll vote YES.


Let’s do this…


San Miguel Beermen – NO!
Brgy. Ginebra Kings – NO!
B-MEG Derby Ace Llamados – NO!
Talk N Text Tropang Texters – YES!
Meralco Bolts – YES!
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters – The “we-don’t-care-vote,” YES!
Alaska Aces – Tired of SMC and MVP teams, YES!
Barako Bull – (I do not understand why they have a vote pertaining to a sale of themselves!) YES!
Powerade Tigers – Because they sell Powerade drinks in Phoenix Gas Stations, YES!

After nine teams, that’s six “YES” votes. And that leaves us with a final deciding vote to determine if the sale of Redbull Franchise to Phoenix pushes through.


(Silence)


Let’s hear it from the AIR21 Express…


Air21 Express – (Trading partner and BFF franchise of SMC all these years. And, they themselves are in talks of possible sale of the Air21 franchise, SMC as the buyer no less.) NO!


Ladies and gentlemen, the NO vote wins!


As usual, the Air21 Express decision affected the direction of the league.


Remember, while the SMC Bloc could play defense on this possible Phoenix entry, it is also playing offense. There were news reports that while SMC and Air21 were re-drafting the emo trade (http://www.philstar.com/unblogged/blog-entry.aspx?articleId=663748&publicationSubCategoryId=516), to make it more palatable, there were side discussions as well. And those discussions involved the sale of the Air21 Traders, er, Air21 Express, to SMC. And what could be the best SMC product to showcase? Certainly not Baron All-Purpose Flour.


It's Petron!


Even if an SMC takeover of Air21 goes blank, it can easily change one of its teams to beat down a Phoenix entry. What brand to carry? It’s Petron!
There are no rules that prevent competing products, and the SMC Bloc are used to having competitors in the past such as Tanduay-Ginebra, Manila Beer-San Miguel and Swift-Purefoods. But given a choice and having the legal means and ways to get what they want – and not allow what they do not want – I don’t think SMC will start organizing a “P4P” (Phoenix-for-PBA) movement anytime soon.


So will the Phoenix still rise? Knowing The SMC Bloc, I really doubt it.

[nardy]

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Emo trade
By HOOPH (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorname.aspx?AuthorName=By%20HOOPH ), March 07, 2011 12:00 AM

Danny Seigle – 13 years. Finals MVP many times over. That's basically saying they won championships because of him! Doing Sheen... Duh! Winning?!

Dondon Hontiveros – 10 years. Tons of games – hardly missed a game, made clutch shots, guarded the best opposing guards, a team guy, and gave SMB more fans in the south. And heck, he put Valerie on the SMB side. For that alone, SMB shouldn't have traded him.

Paul Artadi – 544 scoop shots and 123 announcement tweets that they'll have practice at The Arena! He was an emotional leader and injected instant energy off the bench.

Dorian Pena – 10 years of hardcore inside banging. Besides, he's been known to be the only PBA player to adore Pops Fernandez! So Pops' fans are basically SMB fans!

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From L-R: Dondon Hontiveros, Dorian Pena, Danny Siegle and Paul Artadi (Photo courtesy of Paul Artadi)

All four had their parts in the championships and helped maintain SMB's winning tradition. But in just one trade, pfffft, Seigle's and Hontiveros' SMB legacy went down the drain, flushed not with water, but with super ice-cold SMB. Fan-fave Artadi and Pena are no longer Batang San Miguel too.

Then came their tweets:

Dondon Hontiveros: "wud like to thank you guys for the love and support the past 10 yrs wid smb.maraming salamt"

Paul Artadi: "I have a new team again... Bye smb....thanks sa isang conference..... :)"

Dorian Pena: "Can't believe it"

Danny Seigle: "Kahit ako na si Danny seigle?" (Im kiddin', he didn’t tweet that. It is a homage to Eala's "Ikaw na ang maging Danny Seigle!")
San Miguel Beer, parang walang pinagsamahan.

I always thought that Seigle and Hontiveros will retire as San Mig Legends, just like Racela. I even envisioned Dondon moving up as SMC executive, an assistant coach, a shooting coach, or special assistant on how to get the hottest chick. Dunno, any role, but within the SMC block for sure. Who knows, after Hontiveros’ playing days are over, he can be back in the SMC world. These teams have been known to get players back, knowing they wronged them the first time.

A side note, only two days after the trade, incoming player Baclao wore Hontiveros' jersey number (7). Not even the slightest respect for Hontiveros. SMB could have said to Baclao, “we'll think it over first, just wear another number first, like 1, 2, 3, or 69!” Can’t they see what a player did for them for 10 years and value it by just holding on to a number 'til they got things sorted out. Usually, a franchise thinks over time if a player deserves jersey number retirement. SMB allowed the use of number "7" that fast. Kaunti lang ba ang nagawa ni Dondon Hontiveros for SMB?

They are all pros and I am sure they will all move on (as we will do so too) but there's a big bad bitter taste in these kinds of trades/moves. Tastes like drinking San Miguel Beer na matagal nakabukas, di malamig, sinamahan pa ng undercooked pulutan na isaw. That bitter.

I've been watching the PBA long enough that I can accept trades as part of the game. Bitter as it may be, we'll just continue to roll with the ball, watch the PBA, and write about games, rumors and trades – lopsided or not.

Back then, when Alaska was almost done MILKING their stars for rings, Alaska Milk did it to aging Johnny Abarrientos et al. They let go of the Flying A, Jojo Lastimosa, Bong Hawkins and Poch Juino. It took some time, if not years, before Alaska rose back to elite status. Some Alaska fans I know turned their backs on Alaska.

I wasn't fond of the Ginebra management when they shipped these guys, Ampalayo (for Bobby Jose, I think), Noli Locsin (for Vergel Meseses) and Marlou Aquino (for Jun Limpot). Shocked and angered when SMC bypassed Robert Jaworski with the hiring of Allan Caidic. That Caidic hiring is an SMC trade in my book.

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SMB to Siegle, et al: We got your backs! As targets?!

But to SMB, winning isn’t everything. There are fans to win and joys to get in building players/team from ground up. So dear SMB, please be careful with your fans' hearts. The recent trade sending SMB legends (Seigle & Hontiveros) plus emotional leader Artadi and workhorse Pena could lead to fan backslash – not only SMB fans but us PBA fans as well. We crave for awesome games in a fair league, not one team blasting away all other teams because you got all the prime stars.

We know you got a team to run and a winning tradition to preserve. But if you say to us "drink moderately" when we consume our alcohol, I beg you too should "trade moderately." And always remember, quoting Mandela, "Karma is a b_tch, gets you every time." Wait, that's not from Mandela, it is just a LeBron tweet!

[nardy]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua

GOV. PARDO: As of the moment there's no trade on my table. But we're still on the look-out. We really need a big man.
16 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47158570256572417)

[jcbernardo]

forgive me for my ignorance, but why would the SMC group want to block the sale of Barako to Phoenix anyway??confused: enlighten me please. :)

[nardy]

forgive me for my ignorance, but why would the SMC group want to block the sale of Barako to Phoenix anyway??confused: enlighten me please. :)

You would not be confused if you just backread.

But to guide you its all about business wherein money and power is paramount.

[raichu08]

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Block-a-Bull sale?
By HOOPH (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorname.aspx?AuthorName=By%20HOOPH ), March 14, 2011 12:00 AM


Looks like the sale of the Barako Bull PBA franchise to Phoenix Petroleum Philippines is running on, um, fumes.


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Bulls for sale

One stumbling block could be the SMC bloc or SMC block. For the rest of this entry, let’s refer to them as the "SMC Block."


The San Miguel Corporation owns 60 percent of Petron, and only an amateur exec would allow a direct competitor to get a share of the PBA exposure and ultimately, the petroleum market.


A P66-million franchise price tag is not the road block for the Davao-based oil company to go north and join the PBA. It could be the SMC Block. The SMC Block owns three teams in the PBA – the B-MEG Derby Ace Llamados ( the artist formerly known as Purefoods), Barangay Ginebra Kings and the banner SMC franchise San Miguel Beermen.


With the SMC Block having three votes in the PBA board, it would be hard for Phoenix to get inside the PBA paint, so to speak. They need seven governors’ votes to get the Barako Bull franchise.


Don’t forget too the fact that MVP has business interests in power, mining and transportation, and on any day, can enter the lucrative petro-business. So his teams’ votes regarding this Phoenix buy of Barako Bull is subject for study by his business deputies. The YES votes from MVP teams are not a sure shot.


The PBA board will convene on Friday (March 18). For the sake of fun, let’s do a mock PBA governors’ voting now!


Let’s assume for a moment that because of the MVP-SMC rivalry, the Manny Pangilinan-owned teams would want to annoy SMC so they’ll vote YES.


Let’s do this…


San Miguel Beermen – NO!
Brgy. Ginebra Kings – NO!
B-MEG Derby Ace Llamados – NO!
Talk N Text Tropang Texters – YES!
Meralco Bolts – YES!
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters – The “we-don’t-care-vote,” YES!
Alaska Aces – Tired of SMC and MVP teams, YES!
Barako Bull – (I do not understand why they have a vote pertaining to a sale of themselves!) YES!
Powerade Tigers – Because they sell Powerade drinks in Phoenix Gas Stations, YES!

After nine teams, that’s six “YES” votes. And that leaves us with a final deciding vote to determine if the sale of Redbull Franchise to Phoenix pushes through.


(Silence)


Let’s hear it from the AIR21 Express…


Air21 Express – (Trading partner and BFF franchise of SMC all these years. And, they themselves are in talks of possible sale of the Air21 franchise, SMC as the buyer no less.) NO!


Ladies and gentlemen, the NO vote wins!


As usual, the Air21 Express decision affected the direction of the league.


Remember, while the SMC Bloc could play defense on this possible Phoenix entry, it is also playing offense. There were news reports that while SMC and Air21 were re-drafting the emo trade (http://www.philstar.com/unblogged/blog-entry.aspx?articleId=663748&publicationSubCategoryId=516), to make it more palatable, there were side discussions as well. And those discussions involved the sale of the Air21 Traders, er, Air21 Express, to SMC. And what could be the best SMC product to showcase? Certainly not Baron All-Purpose Flour.


It's Petron!


Even if an SMC takeover of Air21 goes blank, it can easily change one of its teams to beat down a Phoenix entry. What brand to carry? It’s Petron!
There are no rules that prevent competing products, and the SMC Bloc are used to having competitors in the past such as Tanduay-Ginebra, Manila Beer-San Miguel and Swift-Purefoods. But given a choice and having the legal means and ways to get what they want – and not allow what they do not want – I don’t think SMC will start organizing a “P4P” (Phoenix-for-PBA) movement anytime soon.


So will the Phoenix still rise? Knowing The SMC Bloc, I really doubt it.

I thought SMC Teams are only granted 2 votes on the board? If that's the case It should be 6 yes (meralco, alaska, tnt powerade, ros, barako) and 3 no (SMC-2 votes, Air 21)

Should barako not be allowed to vote and SMC gets 3 votes, the no still wins 5-4

[DS_42]

I thought SMC Teams are only granted 2 votes on the board? If that's the case It should be 6 yes (meralco, alaska, tnt powerade, ros, barako) and 3 no (SMC-2 votes, Air 21)

Should barako not be allowed to vote and SMC gets 3 votes, the no still wins 5-4


I think they need 2/3 votes of the board, so that will be 6 yes votes out of nine.

[nardy]

I think they need 2/3 votes of the board, so that will be 6 yes votes out of nine.

I think during Sonny Barrios time, the PBA already reinstated Purefoods' right to vote.

And now Purefoods' Rene Pardo is the Chairman of the PBA Board of Governors.

So with that plus San Miguel and Ginebra, the RSA group has 3 votes.

[Walken]

what is a final decision about Alpha Bangura? can he play tomorrow for Air21?

[nardy]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua

Just bet u&me: DERBY ACE twice revised der trade proposal but dis team fr. d lower bracket of the standings (NOT AIR 21) did not give in.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47660277310832641)

[bognut]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua

Just bet u&me: DERBY ACE twice revised der trade proposal but dis team fr. d lower bracket of the standings (NOT AIR 21) did not give in.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47660277310832641)

hmmm. meralco?

maybe bmeg wants sol mercado? and if im meralco i wont budge either even if its for james yap.


cardona + ross + isip trade for yap + pingris = fair deal?

[Buenafine]

pretty sure james yap won't be traded by bmeg.. probably PJ

[Big Ticket]

pretty sure james yap won't be traded by bmeg.. probably PJ

and traded to a business rival? i doubt that...

[nardy]

and traded to a business rival? i doubt that...

its all over the PBA that Ryan Gregorio really wants to have his hands again on James Yap and Marc Pingris.

Its also known that James has voiced out his desire to play for the National Team. But if he stays with the San Miguel Group, all indications show he would not be allowed by management.

Aside from Yap and Pingris are difficult to let go, I heard BMeg is hesitant to get either or both Macmac Cardona and Sol Mercado as both are very hard to deal with and control.

Then it seems Meralco is not inclined to give-up the Draft Picks they have for the next 3 years which in turn is desired by BMeg to get.

Lets see how Meralco and BMeg solve this matter and if Commissioner Salud would approve it.

[YAQI]

From B-Meg to Petron: Purefoods to carry new name in 3rd conference

From carrying a power feeds product B-Meg Derby Ace, the old Purefoods franchise will be representing a new brand beginning the third conference of the Philippine Basketball Association — San Miguel Corporation’s petroleum company Petron.

This was confirmed by PBA media bureau chief Willie Marcial to GMA News on Wednesday.

“The request for the name change of B-Meg Derby Ace to Petron Blaze starting the third conference has been approved by the PBA Commissioner’s Office," Marcial said in a telephone interview.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215417/sports/from-b-meg-to-petron-purefoods-to-carry-new-name-in-3rd-conference


I thought it was SMB?

[YAQI]

From B-Meg to Petron: Purefoods to carry new name in 3rd conference

From carrying a power feeds product B-Meg Derby Ace, the old Purefoods franchise will be representing a new brand beginning the third conference of the Philippine Basketball Association — San Miguel Corporation’s petroleum company Petron.

This was confirmed by PBA media bureau chief Willie Marcial to GMA News on Wednesday.

“The request for the name change of B-Meg Derby Ace to Petron Blaze starting the third conference has been approved by the PBA Commissioner’s Office," Marcial said in a telephone interview.

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215417/sports/from-b-meg-to-petron-purefoods-to-carry-new-name-in-3rd-conference


I thought it was SMB?


LOL. They already changed it.

[Cryotek]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua

Just bet u&me: DERBY ACE twice revised der trade proposal but dis team fr. d lower bracket of the standings (NOT AIR 21) did not give in.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47660277310832641)

Powerade Tigers...

[jamalsampson]

Got word that 'The Boss' did not like the idea of no San Miguel Beer in the PBA.

But its equally sad that the current 2nd most popular PBA team next only to Ginebra would finally bow out of the league.

[YoonJay18]

Got word that 'The Boss' did not like the idea of no San Miguel Beer in the PBA.

But its equally sad that the current 2nd most popular PBA team next only to Ginebra would finally bow out of the league.

B-MEG franchise will be gone?

[jesronne]

B-MEG franchise will be gone?

bmeg will be back to its original name according to some articles... SMB changed its name to magnolia before but it didnt work out... so this petron thingy will not work out for sure... PBA is different without SMB, Purefoods and Ginebra... :D

[theImbaguy]

bmeg will be back to its original name according to some articles... SMB changed its name to magnolia before but it didnt work out... so this petron thingy will not work out for sure... PBA is different without SMB, Purefoods and Ginebra... :D

i hope the league will not allow this... This is getting ridiculous.
I mean c'mon if this will bring a new team it will also mean new investments, it means the league is alive b'coz there are companies that want to be in the league. I hope commish ok's the buying of the barako franchise, it will give other players, star players that is, chance to show their talents a not rot on the bench of powerhouse teams. Even those not so talented players are not getting paid daw by the barako managementg. Please do the fans some favor and allow Phoenix to buy the franchise. To SMB:
Go fvck yourselves!

[jesronne]

i hope the league will not allow this... This is getting ridiculous.
I mean c'mon if this will bring a new team it will also mean new investments, it means the league is alive b'coz there are companies that want to be in the league. I hope commish ok's the buying of the barako franchise, it will give other players, star players that is, chance to show their talents a not rot on the bench of powerhouse teams. Even those not so talented players are not getting paid daw by the barako managementg. Please do the fans some favor and allow Phoenix to buy the franchise. To SMB:
Go fvck yourselves!

+1000 to this...

[nardy]

As a matter of fairness, being a DIRECTOR of Petron Corporation, Angelico "Chito" T. Salud should abstain from taking part on the decision making on Petron's taking over the PBA team name from San Miguel Beer and to Phoenix Petroleum's PBA entry via purchasing Barako Bull's PBA franchise.

http://www.petron.com/pdf/List_Petron_Directors.pdf


Sorry guys ..... people with the money are high and mighty. With Money, you have Power!

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From SMB to Petron: Beermen to carry new name in 3rd conference

REY JOBLE, GMA News
03/16/2011 | 04:58 PM

San Miguel Beer, the country's leading brewery, will be carrying its petroleum brand beginning next conference — Petron Blaze.

This was confirmed by PBA media bureau chief Willie Marcial to GMA News on Wednesday.

“The request for the name change of San Miguel to Petron Blaze starting the third conference has been approved by PBA Commissioner Chito Salud," Marcial said in a telephone interview.

Petron is one among the companies owned by SMC. Curiously, it was the old Purefoods franchise (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/198183/storied-purefoods-out-of-pba-as-new-owners-take-over), one of the three teams owned by the beverage giant in the pro league, which was supposed to use the petroleum brand prior to the start of last season’s Fiesta Conference.

In fact, then PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios even instructed his staff to pull out Purefoods’ merchandise being sold in selected sports outlets because there was already a request for the name change,

But with the supposed sale of the food company being put on hold at that time, a last-minute decision was made by the SMC management to use power feeds product B-Meg Derby Ace in place of Purefoods.

Petron Blaze’s entry in the PBA scene put a dampener on the pending application of Phoenix Petroleum (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215240/sports/phoenix-petroleums-pba-entry-a-big-concern-for-san-miguel) to take over the struggling Barako Bull franchise.

The petroleum companies are direct competitors.

Phoenix Petroleum, a growing petroleum company from the south, has already expressed its intention to join the PBA by taking over the spot of Barako Bull, which filed a leave of absence in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup.

Barako Bull’s spot has been temporarily taken over by Pilipinas-Smart Gilas.

But the fast-emerging petroleum company, which has been supporting the league’s road games for several years now, will need two thirds of the vote from the PBA’s board members before it can enter the league by taking over the Barako franchise.

“Phoenix Petroleum has been supporting the league’s road games for several years now and its chief operating officer, Mr. Romy de Guzman, is a former vice president for corporate affairs of Shell Philippines, which also then owns a PBA team," said a former highly-ranking official of the league.

“In fact, he was telling me a lot of good things and how Shell officials like former commissioner Rey Marquez and former league official Rey Gamboa relayed to him the benefits of having a PBA team," added the official, who refused to be identified.

A few days ago, PBA chairman Rene Pardo of B-Meg Derby Ace told GMA News that the entry of Phoenix Petroleum is a big concern for the SMC group.

But several officials of the league also clarified that there is no actual ruling that prohibits teams which are carrying competing brands from participating in the PBA, although a lockout agreement is being implemented as far as advertisement is concerned.

"I believe the change of name has nothing to do with the pending application of Phoenix Petroleum," said Commissioner Salud. "A team can use a name of its affiliate so long as its company owns 33% of it, which is why we saw Air21 changed its name to Burger King before and San Miguel once became Magnolia Beverage. As to the question whether direct competition among team members is prohibited, it is not. We can allow direct competition, but the board can just express their vote whether to allow or disallow a company from entering the PBA because this is an association." - KY, GMA News

[nardy]

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Barring a revision in PBA rules, Douthit can only play as an import

03/16/2011 | 08:56 PM

he granting of Filipino citizenship to American Marcus Douthit has posed several questions on the basketball future of the 6-foot-11, former Los Angeles Lakers draftee in the Philippines, particularly when the Pilipinas-Smart Gilas program ends.

Douthit’s application for naturalization lapsed into law last March 11. This was confirmed by Presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda.

“The Office of the President received House Bill No. 2307, which granted Filipino citizenship to Douthit last February 9, and the bill lapsed into law on March 11," said Lacierda.

He said the President had earlier asked the Office of the Deputy Executive Secretary for Legal Affairs to review the bill.

But if Douthit pursues his playing career in the Philippines, questions are expected to be raised on whether or not he can play professional basketball in the country.

Will he be allowed to play in the Philippine Basketball Association as a local player? Will he be given the same privilege as any other local player or can he only play as an import? Can he join the PBA Rookie Draft now that he’s a naturalized Filipino?

“The PBA is a league open for all Filipino players with Filipino blood. In the case of Douthit, he is now a naturalized Filipino, but he has no Filipino blood, which means he cannot join the PBA Rookie Draft," said PBA commissioner Atty. Chito Salud.

“This policy stays up to now, and unless the board changes the policy, Douthit cannot play as a local player in the PBA," added Salud.

Douthit plays for guest team Pilipinas-Smart Gilas, which temporarily took over the spot vacated by Barako Bull. The Energy Boosters filed for a leave of absence in the ongoing PBA Commissioner’s Cup, and whether the team will return next conference or will be sold to Phoenix Petroleum remains to be seen.

Salud also cited Kirk Long of Ateneo and former PBA import Alex Compton as examples.

“Kirk Long has been in the country for quite sometime now and plays for Ateneo in the UAAP, but if you will ask me if he can play in the PBA or make himself eligible for the rookie draft, the answer is no because he has no Filipino blood," said Salud. “This is also the case for Compton, who cannot play as a local player, but then elected to play as an import instead."

Basketball historians Percival Flores and Jay P. Mercado believe Douthit should be given the same opportunity as other local players, particularly now that the Pilipinas-Smart Gilas slotman has been granted Philippine citizenship.

“As a Filipino, he’s now entitled to several privileges which are given to fellow Filipinos, including the right to vote and the right to acquire property, although he cannot run for public office," said Flores, a lawyer for a leading real estate company who regularly writes his insights in the online sports forum MYPBA.com. “He can also exercise his right to join the draft if he wants to pursue a career in the PBA. Remember, he’s now a Filipino for all intents and purposes, and any move to ban him would be discriminatory."

Mercado, who in turn writes for the sports forums Pinoy Exchange and Interbaket, also said that private companies or associations such as the PBA, which have existing laws of their own, will have to defer to Philippine law.

“There’s no greater law than the one which was passed by Congress and the Senate, went up for the signature of the President and then lapsed into law. Although the PBA has its existing rules, I believe Philippine laws are greater than the existing laws of any association, the PBA in particular," said Mercado, also a business development manager of a well-known fast-food chain.

Mercado added that swimmer Christine Jacob and basketball players Jeff Moore, Dennis Still, Chip Engelland, Ricardo Brown and Willie Pearson were also granted Philippine citizenship via a presidential decree in the time of former president Ferdinand Marcos.

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"Brown and Pearson were the only players who pursued their careers in the PBA, while Moore, Still and Engelland opted not to continue. But we have to remember, the league still had no annual Rookie Draft at that time, and the existing policy being implemented now on naturalized players had yet to take effect at that time," added Mercado.

But Salud said the PBA, being an association, has its own set of existing rules.

“We have to remember that the PBA is an association, and just like a golf club and any regular association, it can decide which player can play or which company can join," said Salud.

The second-generation commissioner also stated that Douthit can play as an import as long as he is qualified.

PBA greats like Norman Black and Bobby Parks, who stayed in the country and married Filipinas, became naturalized Filipinos, but still continued to play as imports. - KY, Rey Joble, GMA News

[ariel_muhlach]

with Azkals loss ..... now Studio23 sings a different tune.


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Take 2 -- Studio23 cannot cover Azkals' Mar. 23 & 25 games LIVE bcoz SolarTV has already bought rights to 5pm timeslot for d PBA.
5 hours ago


Now its PBA Basketball is the priority over Azkal Football

[nardy]

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito

Since the big trade, Air 21 hasn't won, while San Miguel's only victory was on a fluke last second putback.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/48008260040658944)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

The last time there was no SMC tm in playoffs was in d 1995 All-Filipino Cup RT @FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/FireQuinito) Pwede palang (cont) http://tl.gd/9abrkb
4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47988083261579264)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Aftr SMB's 41pt loss to Gilas last Sat, evry1 ws expectin them to bounce back strong vs Tigers. Seems d tm's old character/pride is gone.
4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/48005902275584000)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

With a 1-4 card, SMB's streak of 10 straight conferences of having advanced past d elims is in peril.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47983797853110272)

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito

Pwede palang mangyari na lahat ng SMC teams, wala sa playoffs. Long shot, pero pwede.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/47979990721118208)

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patriciahizon (http://twitter.com/#%21/patriciahizon) Patricia Hizon

Congratulations to the Powerade Tigers for winning against SMB. Is SMB struggling so bad that they're asking Ricky Brown to come bak? Joke.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/patriciahizon/status/47978467664470016)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Somebody texted sportswriters this just now: "May malas talaga!"
6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47975170828275712)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Has San Miguel already categorically stated it will oppose Barako sale to Phoenix? I havent read or heard anything about this yet.
8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47946892222537728)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

PBA board mtg reset again to Mar. 22
8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47945206372376577)

[nardy]

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JAMES YAP: Bukas may check up ako. Sna di malala injury ko. Kc ayokong mwala sa laro. Bukas pag may miracle at kaunti n lng pain.LALARO AKO.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47977002044628992)

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JAMES YAP: Hindi ko pa sure kung makakalro ako sa Friday. Pinilit ko mag practice kanina. may nag snap sa hita ko ulit. D ako gano makalakad
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/47976649794400256)

[nardy]

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

JWash w/ a left hamstring injury.
7 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47955762823168000)

[silverwing]

excerpts from nardy's post

“As a Filipino, he’s now entitled to several privileges which are given to fellow Filipinos, including the right to vote and the right to acquire property, although he cannot run for public office," said Flores, a lawyer for a leading real estate company who regularly writes his insights in the online sports forum MYPBA.com. “He can also exercise his right to join the draft if he wants to pursue a career in the PBA. Remember, he’s now a Filipino for all intents and purposes, and any move to ban him would be discriminatory."

Mercado, who in turn writes for the sports forums Pinoy Exchange and Interbaket, also said that private companies or associations such as the PBA, which have existing laws of their own, will have to defer to Philippine law.

“There’s no greater law than the one which was passed by Congress and the Senate, went up for the signature of the President and then lapsed into law. Although the PBA has its existing rules, I believe Philippine laws are greater than the existing laws of any association, the PBA in particular," said Mercado, also a business development manager of a well-known fast-food chain.


No one is above the government law. PBA is bounded by Phil. law. I hope SBP and MVP can help doughtit have his rights to play as a filipino. If PBA wins on bypassing the Phil. constitution then it would be another slap in the face of the persons who create laws.

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito

Since the big trade, Air 21 hasn't won, while San Miguel's only victory was on a fluke last second putback.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/48008260040658944)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

The last time there was no SMC tm in playoffs was in d 1995 All-Filipino Cup RT @FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/FireQuinito) Pwede palang (cont) http://tl.gd/9abrkb
4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47988083261579264)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Aftr SMB's 41pt loss to Gilas last Sat, evry1 ws expectin them to bounce back strong vs Tigers. Seems d tm's old character/pride is gone.
4 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/48005902275584000)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

With a 1-4 card, SMB's streak of 10 straight conferences of having advanced past d elims is in peril.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47983797853110272)

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito

Pwede palang mangyari na lahat ng SMC teams, wala sa playoffs. Long shot, pero pwede.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/47979990721118208)

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patriciahizon (http://twitter.com/#%21/patriciahizon) Patricia Hizon

Congratulations to the Powerade Tigers for winning against SMB. Is SMB struggling so bad that they're asking Ricky Brown to come bak? Joke.
5 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/patriciahizon/status/47978467664470016)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Somebody texted sportswriters this just now: "May malas talaga!"
6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47975170828275712)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

Has San Miguel already categorically stated it will oppose Barako sale to Phoenix? I havent read or heard anything about this yet.
8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47946892222537728)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III

PBA board mtg reset again to Mar. 22
8 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/47945206372376577)

Karma is a bitch! Beerman lost a lot of fans including me. I think my idols (Dondon H. and Danny S.) are somewhat laughing right now.lol

[nardy]

excerpts from nardy's post

“As a Filipino, he’s now entitled to several privileges which are given to fellow Filipinos, including the right to vote and the right to acquire property, although he cannot run for public office," said Flores, a lawyer for a leading real estate company who regularly writes his insights in the online sports forum MYPBA.com. “He can also exercise his right to join the draft if he wants to pursue a career in the PBA. Remember, he’s now a Filipino for all intents and purposes, and any move to ban him would be discriminatory."

Mercado, who in turn writes for the sports forums Pinoy Exchange and Interbaket, also said that private companies or associations such as the PBA, which have existing laws of their own, will have to defer to Philippine law.

“There’s no greater law than the one which was passed by Congress and the Senate, went up for the signature of the President and then lapsed into law. Although the PBA has its existing rules, I believe Philippine laws are greater than the existing laws of any association, the PBA in particular," said Mercado, also a business development manager of a well-known fast-food chain.


No one is above the government law. PBA is bounded by Phil. law. I hope SBP and MVP can help doughtit have his rights to play as a filipino. If PBA wins on bypassing the Phil. constitution then it would be another slap in the face of the persons who create laws.


Unfortunately its true the PBA has a right to refuse ....

Just a company .... they have the right to choose who'll be their employees

Like your home .... not everybody can just come over and enter your house

As I said before the PBA is in reality a Private Boys Club that's why they have the right who are the players that can play in their teams and they have a right to choose the teams who would join them.

When you go to Tagaytay Highlands .... you cannot just enter. Either you are a member or a guest of a member. They have a right to refuse entry.

You want to play Golf ..... You cannot just go into Manila Golf, Wack-wack, Southwoods and say you wanna play.

You cannot just go into the Manila Polo Club and say you want to eat there or use their facilities.

Even in schools, not everybody can just go and enroll at UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST, San Beda, Assumption, St Paul's, etc just because you want to.

Its like the Lions Club, Rotary, Kiwanis, Jaycees, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Rizal, or even a simple GLEE CLUB .... nobody can just be accepted as members.

Even at the Araneta Coliseum, when you go to the ticketing office and you'll see there's a big sign saying that they have a right to refuse entry to certain personalities or patrons.

Each of the above examples I enumerated, they have their own set of rules and standards .......

It might sound unfair a bit ..... but thats still part of democracy.

[theImbaguy]

Sorry guys ..... people with the money are high and mighty. With Money, you have Power!

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From SMB to Petron: Beermen to carry new name in 3rd conference

REY JOBLE, GMA News
03/16/2011 | 04:58 PM

San Miguel Beer, the country's leading brewery, will be carrying its petroleum brand beginning next conference — Petron Blaze.

This was confirmed by PBA media bureau chief Willie Marcial to GMA News on Wednesday.

“The request for the name change of San Miguel to Petron Blaze starting the third conference has been approved by PBA Commissioner Chito Salud," Marcial said in a telephone interview.

Petron is one among the companies owned by SMC. Curiously, it was the old Purefoods franchise (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/198183/storied-purefoods-out-of-pba-as-new-owners-take-over), one of the three teams owned by the beverage giant in the pro league, which was supposed to use the petroleum brand prior to the start of last season’s Fiesta Conference.

In fact, then PBA Commissioner Sonny Barrios even instructed his staff to pull out Purefoods’ merchandise being sold in selected sports outlets because there was already a request for the name change,

But with the supposed sale of the food company being put on hold at that time, a last-minute decision was made by the SMC management to use power feeds product B-Meg Derby Ace in place of Purefoods.

Petron Blaze’s entry in the PBA scene put a dampener on the pending application of Phoenix Petroleum (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215240/sports/phoenix-petroleums-pba-entry-a-big-concern-for-san-miguel) to take over the struggling Barako Bull franchise.

The petroleum companies are direct competitors.

Phoenix Petroleum, a growing petroleum company from the south, has already expressed its intention to join the PBA by taking over the spot of Barako Bull, which filed a leave of absence in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup.

Barako Bull’s spot has been temporarily taken over by Pilipinas-Smart Gilas.

But the fast-emerging petroleum company, which has been supporting the league’s road games for several years now, will need two thirds of the vote from the PBA’s board members before it can enter the league by taking over the Barako franchise.

“Phoenix Petroleum has been supporting the league’s road games for several years now and its chief operating officer, Mr. Romy de Guzman, is a former vice president for corporate affairs of Shell Philippines, which also then owns a PBA team," said a former highly-ranking official of the league.

“In fact, he was telling me a lot of good things and how Shell officials like former commissioner Rey Marquez and former league official Rey Gamboa relayed to him the benefits of having a PBA team," added the official, who refused to be identified.

A few days ago, PBA chairman Rene Pardo of B-Meg Derby Ace told GMA News that the entry of Phoenix Petroleum is a big concern for the SMC group.


But several officials of the league also clarified that there is no actual ruling that prohibits teams which are carrying competing brands from participating in the PBA, although a lockout agreement is being implemented as far as advertisement is concerned.

"I believe the change of name has nothing to do with the pending application of Phoenix Petroleum," said Commissioner Salud. "A team can use a name of its affiliate so long as its company owns 33% of it, which is why we saw Air21 changed its name to Burger King before and San Miguel once became Magnolia Beverage. As to the question whether direct competition among team members is prohibited, it is not. We can allow direct competition, but the board can just express their vote whether to allow or disallow a company from entering the PBA because this is an association." - KY, GMA News

yeah right, maybe i'll just stop watching PBA when the 2nd conf ends and gilas play somewhere else.
who are they kidding? Again SMB go fvck yourselves.

[insulares]

"I believe the change of name has nothing to do with the pending application of Phoenix Petroleum," said Commissioner Salud.

Bullshit.

[nardy]

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San Miguel to change its name to Petron (http://firequinito.com/archives/531-San-Miguel-to-change-its-name-to-Petron.html)

Posted by Jaemark Tordecilla (http://firequinito.com/authors/1-Jaemark-Tordecilla) on March 16, 2011 at 17:25 (http://firequinito.com/archives/531-San-Miguel-to-change-its-name-to-Petron.html) | Comments (http://firequinito.com/archives/531-San-Miguel-to-change-its-name-to-Petron.html#comments)

Fidel Mangonon III broke news on Twitter that PBA commissioner Chito Salud has approved the motion of San Miguel to change the team’s name to Petron Blaze (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/47941926325993472). The move comes after the reported proposal by another petroleum company, Phoenix, to join the PBA (http://firequinito.com/archives/519-Phoenix-Petroleum-in-talks-to-buy-Barako-and-what-it-means-to-the-PBAs-future.html).

Petron’s entry doesn’t mean that the Phoenix bid to join the PBA is dead; any transaction for a franchise sale would require two-thirds approval of the league’s board of governors (7 out of 10). Currently, San Miguel Corporation owns three seats in the board.

An interesting footnote to the move: Before joining the PBA as deputy commissioner last year, Salud served as an independent director in the Petron board for several years (http://firequinito.com/archives/405-Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-new-PBA-commissioner-Chito-Salud,-but-sportswriters-were-too-lazy-to-ask.html).

Curiously, the name change by San Miguel on the heels of its franchise-altering move to trade away longtime stars Danny Seigle, Dondon Hontiveros, and Dorian Peña, along with guard Paul Artadi, to Air 21 for the rookie crew of Nonoy Baclao, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, and Rey Guevarra (http://firequinito.com/archives/516-Air-21-to-send-Baclao,-Al-Hussaini,-Guevarra-to-San-Miguel,-continues-to-ruin-the-PBA.html), a move that did not sit well with longtime fans of the team. It’s easy to imagine how this move to change the name would alienate those fans even more.

I’m not sure if San Miguel management is just tone-deaf, or if they’re really going out of their way to antagonize their fan base. If that’s the case, they should just take it all the way by shooting bags of pee at San Miguel fans with those t-shirt cannons at the team’s next game.

[The_Big_Cat]

Bullshit.

Somehow I have a feeling that this would backfire against them in some other way.

[geo]

Somehow I have a feeling that this would backfire against them in some other way.

Karma! Karma! Karma!:D:D:D

[nardy]

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micohalili (http://twitter.com/#%21/micohalili) Mico Halili

Are the @meralcobolts (http://twitter.com/meralcobolts) fluctuating bec of Mac Cardona-Sol Mercado discombobulation? WATCH FTW webisode here http://bit.ly/eITc5P
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/micohalili/status/48180057738457088)

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Surprised that SMB lost to Powerade last night?? Baka it's a good time to watch this FTW webisode again: http://bit.ly/dQk4cb #PBA (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23PBA)
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[saints13]

Karma is a bitch! Beerman lost a lot of fans including me. I think my idols (Dondon H. and Danny S.) are somewhat laughing right now.lol

good thing for D. Seigle, he was pounding points after points against Ginebra last night..on my POV..PBA looks better that way, than to see scorers rotting on SMB bench.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Unfortunately its true the PBA has a right to refuse ....

Just a company .... they have the right to choose who'll be their employees

Like your home .... not everybody can just come over and enter your house

As I said before the PBA is in reality a Private Boys Club that's why they have the right who are the players that can play in their teams and they have a right to choose the teams who would join them.

When you go to Tagaytay Highlands .... you cannot just enter. Either you are a member or a guest of a member. They have a right to refuse entry.

You want to play Golf ..... You cannot just go into Manila Golf, Wack-wack, Southwoods and say you wanna play.

You cannot just go into the Manila Polo Club and say you want to eat there or use their facilities.

Even in schools, not everybody can just go and enroll at UP, Ateneo, La Salle, UST, San Beda, Assumption, St Paul's, etc just because you want to.

Its like the Lions Club, Rotary, Kiwanis, Jaycees, Knights of Columbus, Knights of Rizal, or even a simple GLEE CLUB .... nobody can just be accepted as members.

Even at the Araneta Coliseum, when you go to the ticketing office and you'll see there's a big sign saying that they have a right to refuse entry to certain personalities or patrons.

Each of the above examples I enumerated, they have their own set of rules and standards .......

It might sound unfair a bit ..... but thats still part of democracy.

Nardy,

I'm pretty sure this will be a long-drawn legal battle if ever Marcus Douthit would pursue a professional career in the PBA. My take on this is simple: while the PBA has the right to determine who's eligible to play for their league or not, if the said rule is actually deemed discriminatory, then it's up to the court to decide on this.

Douthit can opt to question the validity of the rule imposed by the league. Technically, Douthit, now a Filipino, has the same rights as any other Filipino like the right to vote and to own a piece of land. He's also eligible to seek employment opportunities anywhere he wants. If the PBA sticks to its rule of not allowing naturalized players, then Douthit can go to court and question this discriminatory practice.

The examples you gave above (school eligibility, private clubs, etc) are deemed legal because the eligibility reasons given are legal. One cannot enter a private club as this is privately owned and managed by all stockholders and members. One cannot just join any university or college if he doesn't pass the entrance exams. In both cases, even if these rules are questioned in court, it won't stand a chance.

However, the PBA's rule of banning naturalized Filipinos can be questioned. A naturalized Filipino automatically earns equal rights like any other Filipino, except running for an elective position. Hence, if the reason is deemed flimsy and trivial and violates the rights of a Filipino citizen for equal rights, then the Court may actually favor Douthit in this case.

Still, Moore and Engelland were eligible to play in the PBA when NCC disbanded in 1986 simply because there was no rule then that the PBA implemented on naturalized Filipinos. The rule came about only in the 90's, if I'm not mistaken. Hence, had the three opted to stay in Manila and play in the PBA, they had every right to do so. The rule on naturalized Filipinos though stood for some time simply because no one questioned its validity in court.

Chito Salud cited Norman Black and Bobby Parks as examples. But then, the example was wrong from the onset. Black and Parks never questioned this rule in court. Had they opted to battle this out legally, they would have stood a chance of winning the case. They also didn't question this as Black was close to retirement already while I don't know if Parks was given his naturalization papers.

This issue won't be a problem if Douthit won't opt to turn pro. This will give Salud a relief from any protracted legal battle that may ensue if Douthit insists on playing in the PBA. But if ever Douthit does express interest, unless the PBA changes its rule, then the only recourse for the 6'11 naturalized Filipino is to go to court and question this. My opinion is that the Court would favor him because Philippine laws will always take precedent over individual laws.

[Big Ticket]

threatening not to watch the PBA but they are still very active in PBA discussion boards and are very much updated with the PBA happenings...nice!

[Joe Yabuki]

about Douthit turning pro in the PBA, im pretty sure that all rules will eventually be forgotten if Gilas manages to perform well(a championship or a at least an olympics stint) in the international scene. If that happens Gilas will have a Azkals-like media frenzy and the country would welcome all men with open arms. Such popularity will be hard for the PBA to pass up.

[nardy]

Nardy,

I'm pretty sure this will be a long-drawn legal battle if ever Marcus Douthit would pursue a professional career in the PBA. My take on this is simple: while the PBA has the right to determine who's eligible to play for their league or not, if the said rule is actually deemed discriminatory, then it's up to the court to decide on this.

Douthit can opt to question the validity of the rule imposed by the league. Technically, Douthit, now a Filipino, has the same rights as any other Filipino like the right to vote and to own a piece of land. He's also eligible to seek employment opportunities anywhere he wants. If the PBA sticks to its rule of not allowing naturalized players, then Douthit can go to court and question this discriminatory practice.

The examples you gave above (school eligibility, private clubs, etc) are deemed legal because the eligibility reasons given are legal. One cannot enter a private club as this is privately owned and managed by all stockholders and members. One cannot just join any university or college if he doesn't pass the entrance exams. In both cases, even if these rules are questioned in court, it won't stand a chance.

However, the PBA's rule of banning naturalized Filipinos can be questioned. A naturalized Filipino automatically earns equal rights like any other Filipino, except running for an elective position. Hence, if the reason is deemed flimsy and trivial and violates the rights of a Filipino citizen for equal rights, then the Court may actually favor Douthit in this case.

Still, Moore and Engelland were eligible to play in the PBA when NCC disbanded in 1986 simply because there was no rule then that the PBA implemented on naturalized Filipinos. The rule came about only in the 90's, if I'm not mistaken. Hence, had the three opted to stay in Manila and play in the PBA, they had every right to do so. The rule on naturalized Filipinos though stood for some time simply because no one questioned its validity in court.

Chito Salud cited Norman Black and Bobby Parks as examples. But then, the example was wrong from the onset. Black and Parks never questioned this rule in court. Had they opted to battle this out legally, they would have stood a chance of winning the case. They also didn't question this as Black was close to retirement already while I don't know if Parks was given his naturalization papers.

This issue won't be a problem if Douthit won't opt to turn pro. This will give Salud a relief from any protracted legal battle that may ensue if Douthit insists on playing in the PBA. But if ever Douthit does express interest, unless the PBA changes its rule, then the only recourse for the 6'11 naturalized Filipino is to go to court and question this. My opinion is that the Court would favor him because Philippine laws will always take precedent over individual laws.


Yup everything would depend if Marcus question the PBA rule as being discriminating to him as a Filipino Citizen and if envokes his right against it.

But if MVP decides to buy a 'NEW' PBA Franchise and was given a right to bring along some 'amateur' players ..... am expecting Douthit to be one of these players and we'll see MVP confront the other PBA Team Owners regarding this matter. I am very sure a legal battle would actually happen. Remember when the NCAA Mancomm tried to disallow Yousif Aljamal from continuing playing for the San Beda Red Lions because Aljamal had applied for the PBA Draft which according to NCAA officials that time was in violation of NCAA Rules as Yousif needs to get permission first from both the school and the league itself. San Beda gotten the court to issue a TRO resulting on the NCAA giving in to San Beda and as a save face measure they handed down a not really 'damaging' suspension and fine on Aljamal.

[nardy]

about Douthit turning pro in the PBA, im pretty sure that all rules will eventually be forgotten if Gilas manages to perform well(a championship or a at least an olympics stint) in the international scene. If that happens Gilas will have a Azkals-like media frenzy and the country would welcome all men with open arms. Such popularity will be hard for the PBA to pass up.

At the moment if ever they do allow Marcus to play as a local in the PBA, it would give the team which acquires him a very big advantage.

Right now even if the teams are 'supposed to be more superior' than the local players of Gilas and have an import with them, they could not stop or even contain SMART GILAS, more so if its a ALL-FILIPINO CONFERENCE.

I have a hypothetical question, assuming this is still the All-Filipino conference and all teams still had their line-ups, do you think a team like Barako Bull or Powerade with Douthit in their line-up would be able to beat the powerhouse teams of Talk N Text and San Miguel (before the Air21 trade) and actually win the Championship.

That is what is worrying a number of the teams. Then there's the possibility of the influx of Naturalized Players which would mean more local players losing their chance in playing in the league. Another problem I can see is that the smaller teams might be worried if Naturalized Players are allowed, they might not be able to afford such players thus giving them less chances of being competitive.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Yup everything would depend if Marcus question the PBA rule as being discriminating to him as a Filipino Citizen and if envokes his right against it.

But if MVP decides to buy a 'NEW' PBA Franchise and was given a right to bring along some 'amateur' players ..... am expecting Douthit to be one of these players and we'll see MVP confront the other PBA Team Owners regarding this matter. I am very sure a legal battle would actually happen. Remember when the NCAA Mancomm tried to disallow Yousif Aljamal from continuing playing for the San Beda Red Lions because Aljamal had applied for the PBA Draft which according to NCAA officials that time was in violation of NCAA Rules as Yousif needs to get permission first from both the school and the league itself. San Beda gotten the court to issue a TRO resulting on the NCAA giving in to San Beda and as a save face measure they handed down a not really 'damaging' suspension and fine on Aljamal.

Agree on the example. MVP has shown that he is willing to go to court and get a temporary restraining order (TRO) to prove the validity of his complaint. If Douthit opts to join the pros and MVP would be buying a new franchise that will allow him to elevate at least 5 amateurs directly to his new team, then Douthit being chosen as one of the five isn't unlikely.

However, the assumption here as well is if the SBP has already reached an accord with the PBA regarding national team reinforcement. Douthit is a critical factor in the campaign of our national team - if he joins the PBA and the league won't allow pro players to suit up for the national team, then it defeats the very purpose of naturalizing him. The assumption was that he will stay with the national team until his retirement which made Congress pass a bill approved into law for this purpose. If the PBA will allow their players to join the national team, then Douthit playing in the PBA is definitely likely.

[Jay P. Mercado]

That is what is worrying a number of the teams. Then there's the possibility of the influx of Naturalized Players which would mean more local players losing their chance in playing in the league. Another problem I can see is that the smaller teams might be worried if Naturalized Players are allowed, they might not be able to afford such players thus giving them less chances of being competitive.

I'm not sure if this should concern the PBA that much. Naturalizing players is a process that's not easy. We saw that in Douthit when it took the SBP to influence certain congressmen to hasten the passage of this bill. They were able to find supporters in Robbie Puno at the House and Juan Miguel Zubiri in the Senate. To naturalize someone by law is not something commonly seen or done.

Unlike during Marcos' time when his signature can already put something into law, one just cannot do that today. Recall how Marcos naturalized Sri Lankan Ronnie Nathanielsz that easy. And how a presidential decree was enough for Dennis Still, Jeff Moore and Arthur Engelland to become Filipinos.

So even if the naturalized Filipino rule in the PBA is abolished, then the league shouldn't worry about any so-called influx that will come its way. There would be more Fil-Foreigners coming in for sure, which may lead to the displacement of the homegrown talents. I doubt if this would happen among naturalized Filos.

[EaglesEye]

Atty. Salud could be right, the league can restrict anybody to play or any company to join. Being a private organization, they can set certain rules and restrictions who will be eligible to play. The same way they implement minimum age, minimum number of college units, height limit for imports, trade appovals and others. Even if somebody will insist that being a naturalized Filipino he is intitled to his rights as stated in the constitution, but for the reason of parity and for the best interest of the league, the PBA can do something.

Lets talk about Douthit's case. Though he's already naturalized, but still he has no Filipino blood. It's against the PBA rule. That's the first requirent to be eligible to play as a local. To have at least a part Filipino lineage.

Okey, for the sake of arguement, let's assume he will be allowed to play as a local. What will be the implications? Do you think, this will be beneficial to the league? Consider the following:

1. Since he will be allowed to play as a local, of course he will start as a rookie. How about his salary? Don't tell me, from US$15K (if I'm not mistaken) he will accept a maximum pay for rookie which is only P150K for the first year, P225K for the 2nd year and P350K in his 3rd year? I don't think so! So another problem will arise on this. Rules will be broken again. This may cause another precedence.

2. The team which will draft him will really have a huge advantage. Just like having a 6-11 import playing against an all-Filipino crew with a tallest player of only 6-7. This will create an imbalance to the league. In the current conference, if the rest of the 9 teams who have a 6-4 import, find it hard to win against Douthit's team, how much more if it's an all local team?

3. If ever he will be allowed to play as a local, do you think that other teams will simply allow to become an underdog just because of him? Instead, they will also make a move to naturalize their own choice players and make sure that they (foreign players) can play for their teams. So instead of focusing their attention in searching and developing for new talents and local breeds, teams will now invest and throw their resources on possible players to be naturalized. This will deny, if not lessen the oppotunities for our home grown players. A mockery of the rule again will blow on this.

With those 3 points I've mentioned above, the interest of the league will be greatly affected. So how can the PBA allow Douthit to play as a local? If so, it will be another step forward to their downfall!

[nardy]

I like to note that this particular law granting Marcus Douthit Filipino Citizenship in unprecedented, because it gave him a special concession wherein Marcus would not lose his US Citizenship and he could retain his American Passport.

This might be the reason PNoy had a hard time signing it to law. Unlike in the past, for one to be Naturalized Filipino one of the requirements is that you have to denounce your original/current Citizenship in order for one to Pledge Allegiance to the Philippines. One cannot have two masters as per the Philippine Constitution.

But being a stand-alone law this could be done.

I wonder how a lot of Indians and Chinese would now feel as they were required to lose their original citizenships in order to become Naturalized Filipinos.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Atty. Salud could be right, the league can restrict anybody to play or any company to join. Being a private organization, they can set certain rules and restrictions who will be eligible to play. The same way they implement minimum age, minimum number of college units, height limit for imports, trade appovals and others. Even if somebody will insist that being a naturalized Filipino he is intitled to his rights as stated in the constitution, but for the reason of parity and for the best interest of the league, the PBA can do something.

Lets talk about Douthit's case. Though he's already naturalized, but still he has no Filipino blood. It's against the PBA rule. That's the first requirent to be eligible to play as a local. To have at least a part Filipino lineage.

Okey, for the sake of arguement, let's assume he will be allowed to play as a local. What will be the implications? Do you think, this will be beneficial to the league? Consider the following:

1. Since he will be allowed to play as a local, of course he will start as a rookie. How about his salary? Don't tell me, from US$15K (if I'm not mistaken) he will accept a maximum pay for rookie which is only P150K for the first year, P225K for the 2nd year and P350K in his 3rd year? I don't think so! So another problem will arise on this. Rules will be broken again. This may cause another precedence.

2. The team which will draft him will really have a huge advantage. Just like having a 6-11 import playing against an all-Filipino crew with a tallest player of only 6-7. This will create an imbalance to the league. In the current conference, if the rest of the 9 teams who have a 6-4 import, find it hard to win against Douthit's team, how much more if it's an all local team?

3. If ever he will be allowed to play as a local, do you think that other teams will simply allow to become an underdog just because of him? Instead, they will also make a move to naturalize their own choice players and make sure that they (foreign players) can play for their teams. So instead of focusing their attention in searching and developing for new talents and local breeds, teams will now invest and throw their resources on possible players to be naturalized. This will deny, if not lessen the oppotunities for our home grown players. A mockery of the rule again will blow on this.

With those 3 points I've mentioned above, the interest of the league will be greatly affected. So how can the PBA allow Douthit to play as a local? If so, it will be another step forward to their downfall!

I don't disagree with the three points you raised. They're all legitimate. And yes, the league can defend this rule by trying to protect itself from these potential problems in the future. That obviously would be their legal approach if and when they need to defend this rule.

However, no matter how sincere and noble a rule is, so long as it is deemed contrary to the Constitution, the Court will decide in favor of the higher law. Here's a simple analogy: a company terminates an employee for violation of a particular company rule. Said employee, while guilty of such violation, may still go to the DOLE-NLRC and question the validity of this rule. If the government agency deems it as counter to the right of the employee, then the company is sanctioned and the employee is reinstated.

The question really is if the rule on banning of naturalized Filipinos is legal or not. No one knows yet as no one has asked. This hasn't been taken to court yet for resolution so this rule, until otherwise questioned, remains legitimate. If Douthit opts not to join the pros, then the rule will continue to stand. If Douthit joins and the PBA accommodates him as an exception, then the rule may still continue. If Douthit joins and the PBA denies his request and Douthit goes to court, then we will know if the rule is valid or otherwise.

[Jay P. Mercado]

I like to note that this particular law granting Marcus Douthit Filipino Citizenship in unprecedented, because it gave him a special concession wherein Marcus would not lose his US Citizenship and he could retain his American Passport.

This might be the reason PNoy had a hard time signing it to law. Unlike in the past, for one to be Naturalized Filipino one of the requirements is that you have to denounce your original/current Citizenship in order for one to Pledge Allegiance to the Philippines. One cannot have two masters as per the Philippine Constitution.

But being a stand-alone law this could be done.

I wonder how a lot of Indians and Chinese would now feel as they were required to lose their original citizenships in order to become Naturalized Filipinos.

Nardy,

My opinion on this is that unlike before when a person being considered for naturalization is forced to denounce his other citizenship, this won't be applicable anymore. The passage of the dual citizenship law has paved the way for Douthit to retain his American citizenship status while also earning his right to become Filipino.

I may be wrong with this opinion but I believe this may be the reason why denouncement of original citizenship isn't necessary anymore.

[nardy]

Nardy,

My opinion on this is that unlike before when a person being considered for naturalization is forced to denounce his other citizenship, this won't be applicable anymore. The passage of the dual citizenship law has paved the way for Douthit to retain his American citizenship status while also earning his right to become Filipino.

I may be wrong with this opinion but I believe this may be the reason why denouncement of original citizenship isn't necessary anymore.


Am not sure because my Chinese and Indian Friends who are now Naturalized Filipinos were told by the Department of Justice, Department of Foreign Affairs and the Bureau of Immigration that the Dual Citizenship Law (Republic Act No. 9225 / Citizenship Retention and Re-Acquisition Act of 2003) are not applicable to them as it is only for individuals who were a natural-born Filipino citizen but lost his/her Philippine citizenship due to naturalization as a citizen of a foreign country who may now apply for the Administration of Oath of Allegiance to the Republic of the Philippines.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Am not sure because my Chinese and Indian Friends who are now Naturalized Filipinos were told by the Department of Justice, Department of Foreign Affairs and the Bureau of Immigration that the Dual Citizenship Law (Republic Act No. 9225 / Citizenship Retention and Re-Acquisition Act of 2003) are not applicable to them as it is only for individuals who were a natural-born Filipino citizen but lost his/her Philippine citizenship due to naturalization as a citizen of a foreign country who may now apply for the Administration of Oath of Allegiance to the Republic of the Philippines.

Got that Nardy. Sounds logical also, since it only pertains to Filipinos who added another citizenship in their sleeves.

Thanks!

[silverwing]

Atty. Salud could be right, the league can restrict anybody to play or any company to join. Being a private organization, they can set certain rules and restrictions who will be eligible to play. The same way they implement minimum age, minimum number of college units, height limit for imports, trade appovals and others. Even if somebody will insist that being a naturalized Filipino he is intitled to his rights as stated in the constitution, but for the reason of parity and for the best interest of the league, the PBA can do something.

Lets talk about Douthit's case. Though he's already naturalized, but still he has no Filipino blood. It's against the PBA rule. That's the first requirent to be eligible to play as a local. To have at least a part Filipino lineage.

Okey, for the sake of arguement, let's assume he will be allowed to play as a local. What will be the implications? Do you think, this will be beneficial to the league? Consider the following:

1. Since he will be allowed to play as a local, of course he will start as a rookie. How about his salary? Don't tell me, from US$15K (if I'm not mistaken) he will accept a maximum pay for rookie which is only P150K for the first year, P225K for the 2nd year and P350K in his 3rd year? I don't think so! So another problem will arise on this. Rules will be broken again. This may cause another precedence.

2. The team which will draft him will really have a huge advantage. Just like having a 6-11 import playing against an all-Filipino crew with a tallest player of only 6-7. This will create an imbalance to the league. In the current conference, if the rest of the 9 teams who have a 6-4 import, find it hard to win against Douthit's team, how much more if it's an all local team?

3. If ever he will be allowed to play as a local, do you think that other teams will simply allow to become an underdog just because of him? Instead, they will also make a move to naturalize their own choice players and make sure that they (foreign players) can play for their teams. So instead of focusing their attention in searching and developing for new talents and local breeds, teams will now invest and throw their resources on possible players to be naturalized. This will deny, if not lessen the oppotunities for our home grown players. A mockery of the rule again will blow on this.

With those 3 points I've mentioned above, the interest of the league will be greatly affected. So how can the PBA allow Douthit to play as a local? If so, it will be another step forward to their downfall!

this is my take on your comments:

Point #1 : Previous PBA Players before already told that there are other benifits being given to star players or players that has good skills. The salary that was set is for document purpose only but I don't believed that the total salary/benefits of PBA players is complying on the salary rule. This practice is well known in other leagues as well like NBA and CBA.

Point#2 : Naturalization process is not that easy, The reason why Marcus papers was rushed and supported by congress and senate is because Marcus is going to play in our NT, which would give us a big boost to bring back the glory that we have in our no.1 sport. I would also like to say that there are hearings that needs to take place in congress and senate for such bills like naturalization. The only negative thing that i see on this, PNoy might sign naturalize players bill for his uncle Danding's PBA team.lol (possible but it would become a big issue if PNoy do such acts) :D

Point#3 : Its time for the PBA to make the competition higher. They should be open on setting the height of the imports to 6'8" - 7'0"+, It would make our players tougher. If you will see it would help local players, because they will play the position they really suit in. like SG/SF/PF. We will now see legitimate centers, and imports would not play the normal position of our locals which are SG/SF/PF. Remember fans like games that has full of actions like slam dunks and shot blocks. Believe it or not fans nowadays are looking for new things in PBA.

[EaglesEye]

this is my take on your comments:

Point #1 : Previous PBA Players before already told that there are other benifits being given to star players or players that has good skills. The salary that was set is for document purpose only but I don't believed that the total salary/benefits of PBA players is complying on the salary rule. This practice is well known in other leagues as well like NBA and CBA.

Point#2 : Naturalization process is not that easy, The reason why Marcus papers was rushed and supported by congress and senate is because Marcus is going to play in our NT, which would give us a big boost to bring back the glory that we have in our no.1 sport. I would also like to say that there are hearings that needs to take place in congress and senate for such bills like naturalization. The only negative thing that i see on this, PNoy might sign naturalize players bill for his uncle Danding's PBA team.lol (possible but it would become a big issue if PNoy do such acts) :D

Point#3 : Its time for the PBA to make the competition higher. They should be open on setting the height of the imports to 6'8" - 7'0"+, It would make our players tougher. If you will see it would help local players, because they will play the position they really suit in. like SG/SF/PF. We will now see legitimate centers, and imports would not play the normal position of our locals which are SG/SF/PF. Remember fans like games that has full of actions like slam dunks and shot blocks. Believe it or not fans nowadays are looking for new things in PBA.

1. Yes, assuming that the current figures are for document purposes only, it's still imposible that for a rookie, no matter how good he is, he will be allowed to receive a salary like an import. He's already a local so he should also receive salary as of a local. Each players now no matter how good they are, are given salary cap plus bonuses. But it's hard to believe that their bonuses is way much greater than their basic pay. For example, they sign a contract of P150K a month then receive a bonus of P400K. (I'm taking that example to accomodate Douthit's current salary as an import.)

2. We all know how hard and supposedly long naturalization process in our country. Douthit's case was an exception. But here in our country, money talks! And you even state an example for P-Noy to favor his Uncle Danding's teams. That's another possibility. So therefore, if they will allow Douthit to play as a local, for sure, other teams (SMC teams in particular) will not let this pass not to get a naturalized player too. So how about those teams which can't afford to pay for the naturalization of their imports? How about those team owners who are not as influencial as the Pangilinans and the Cojuangcos?

3. Since I watched PBA, I already saw 2 conferences ( 2004-2005 Fiesta and 2007-2008 Fiesta) which featured imports of unlimited height. I found no problem when they did that. There's no question. Since all teams were having equal opportunity of getting big imports. But for the case of Douthit, only the team which will get him will be benefited. So it's really a mismatch since the other teams will have none. No matter how they will expose their big men to seven footers. No matter how they are used to play against tough big men. Still they can't fairly match with him if their teams will just rely on their 6-7 local centers.

[nardong_putik]

I doubt Douthit will apply to the PBA draft.

Remember that a rookie maximum salary is way way low compared to his monthly salary being a national player. He still need to wait 2 more years just to get the maximum salary of a PBA player but still its way low compared what he receive. And if ever he will apply to the PBA he need to drop his present salary because PBA will not allow it.

[DS_42]

I doubt Douthit will apply to the PBA draft.

Remember that a rookie maximum salary is way way low compared to his monthly salary being a national player. He still need to wait 2 more years just to get the maximum salary of a PBA player but still its way low compared what he receive. And if ever he will apply to the PBA he need to drop his present salary because PBA will not allow it.

If ever he'll be allowed to play in the PBA, its quite certain that MVP will NOT let him play for any other teams. And the assumption that he will still play for SBP formed NT. With that he can get the max salary for a rookie and probably get the rest of the money for being part of Gilas.

[KevinDurant]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

[thayil]

having Kuya Douthit in PBA for me is a great Idea.

1.) It would make our PBA players get used of playing 6'10" above players

2.) Sam Ekwe --- Filipino by heart! He may be 6'8" for a center at least Decent enough to bang bodies with above 6'9" players but what I think of him is he doesn't mind "the salary" as long as he is playing basketball I heard that he is wealthy in Nigeria.

3.) Christian Sentchu, Sudan, Pipo. Long etc-- please let him play for our NT or let them play in PBA! sayang eh

[KevinDurant]

MVP must elevate the Gilas core to the PBA. Then when there's an upcoming int'l competition, pull them out and play with Douthit. With that future NTs wont start from scratch.

Douthit was naturalized for the NT,

[Joe Yabuki]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

wait, is this a new rule? cuz as far as I know, there are a handful of PBA players that have played pro internationally (Jason Castro playing for the Singapore Slingers, Rudy Ligganay with Thailand) before applying for the draft. You could even argue that the PBL and PBADL are semi-pro leagues.

as for Douthit again, maybe if ever, he does apply the PBA can impose a rule regarding naturalized players that would require them to serve the NT team on a certain amount of years, preferrably 2 or 3. before joining the league. Besides, I dont think a team like Powerade will be able to replicate what Gilas is doing, Gilas' strongest weapon is its discipline on offense and defense. Which is something that the lower tier teams sorely lack. Not to mention his arrival will force teams(and their respective board members) to not impose height limits on their imports. IMO the probable entrance of Douthit signifies a much needed change for the PBA. Unrestricted, well thought defense and offensive patterns by coaches, better NT program. All these will come to fruition if the board members would learn to embrace challenges instead of evading something that would hinder their short term goals. This is like teaching a kid how to eat vegetables.

[bognut]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

I think Adducul was drafted in the PBA and he played many years in the defunct MBA.

I think Douthit joining the PBA will be great! atleast for Slaughter and Fajardo when they enter the PBA. They'll have Dawtit as their competition. :D

[Jay P. Mercado]

My understanding on the rule of the PBA treating pro players from other leagues is that they have to go through the rookie draft like anyone else. Which explains why Jason Castro and Rudy Lingganay went through the draft, which also explains why former MBA MVP John Ferriols went through the draft as well when he turned pro.

Just to refresh, the PBA enforced the rule of treating pro players from other leagues to become automatic free agents with the advent of the MBA. Threatened by the MBA's popularity, the knee-jerk reaction of the league was to allow MBA players to become free agents right away, making it easier for them to join the PBA. Hence, guys like Rudy Hatfield, JJ Helterbrand and Dondon Hontiveros found themselves playing for teams like Tanduay and Ginebra. That was also the reason for the direct hire rule, which allowed different PBA teams to secure players from the MBA without going through the rookie draft.

But the PBA altered the rule when the MBA folded up in 2002. Hence, at the start of the 2002 season, MBA players who went to the PBA had to go through the rookie draft. Former MBA MVP winners like 2000 winner Romel Adducul (2nd overall pick of 2003), 1998 winner John Ferriols (12th overall pick of 2003) and 2001 winner Eddie Laure (3rd overall pick of 2003) all went through the PBA rookie draft. It only showed that the direct hire rule implemented in 2000 was merely an offshoot of the threat that the MBA posed to the league.

Hence, the rule on pro players not going through the draft anymore isn't applicable. Every player will have to go through the draft - Douthit or otherwise.

[nardy]

Douthit has been playing overseas as a pro. So this means that he's not eligible to join the draft, coz it's for amateurs.

Am sorry that's not correct as that is not how the the Rookie Draft works. After the FIBA declared Basketball as an OPEN competition, the term 'amateur' had become passe.

Remember the MBA players, after the initial influx of players as direct hires especially the Fil-foreign players, these MBA players have to pass thru the draft in order to get into the PBA.

In the 2001 PBA Draft, the Express held the first overall pick in the draft. Initially, the FedEx expressed its desire to draft MBA MVP Rommel Adducul, but his MBA team the Batangas Blades denied Adducul's request for a release. With this, FedEx nabbed Saint Francis of Assisi College System 6-foot-9 center Yancy de Ocampo as their first-ever pick as a PBA team. Rommel Adducul finally made his PBA debut after his years with the Metropolitan Basketball Association. Barangay Ginebra selected the former San Sebastian College - Recoletos Stag as the No. 2 pick in the 2003 draft. Adducul while playing in the MBA is earning more than PhP 500,000 a month with the LBC-Batangas Blades at that time. He is not an "amateur" player at the strictest terms as he is actually earning much-much more than a number of players at the PBA during that time, when Romel entered the league, the PBA had set a maximum salary limit of PhP 350,000 per month.

Other 'Professional' MBA players who entered the PBA via the PBA Rookie Draft are Donbel Belano (1999 Draft 14th pick overall), Willie Miller (2001 Draft #1), Gilbert Demape (2001 #4), Francis Adriano (2001 #6), Joey Mente (2001 #10), Jovy Sese (2001 #14), Ato Morano (2001 #20), Rafi Reavis (2002 #2), Omanzie Rodriguez (2002 #3), Chris Calaguio (2002 #4), Homer Se (2002 #5), Junel Mendiola (2002 #20), Eddie Laure (2003 #3), etc.

Even Lou Gatumbato—the oldest rookie in the history of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) came from the MBA as he was a star of the the Iloilo Megavolts. In 2004, he applied for the PBA Draft, along with a stellar list of hopefuls like James Yap, Paul Artadi, Wesley Gonzalez, Rich Alvarez, Marc Pingris, Gary David, amongst others. “There were a lot of big names and Fil-Ams who were the same position as Lou like Kim Valenzuela and Denver Lopez. Lou said, “I know I did well in the camp. Even coach Norman (Black) thought I’d get picked”. Unfortunately, he did not get drafted.

Just like Stanley Pringle who is currently playing as a Professional Import Player in Poland for ASK KS Siarka Tarnobrzeg, he still has to pass thru the PBA Rookie Draft if he wants to play in the PBA. And since he is a Fil-foreigner and under 26 years of age, he is also now required to still play at the PBA D-League in order to qualify for the PBA Rookie Draft.

[theImbaguy]

I think Adducul was drafted in the PBA and he played many years in the defunct MBA.

I think Douthit joining the PBA will be great! atleast for Slaughter and Fajardo when they enter the PBA. They'll have Dawtit as their competition. :D

how can we improve our local's games if we don't play against better, taller and 'real' centers? We have been craving for taller imports but unfortunately our economy won't allow us-or atleast some pba teams doesnt have the ability to hire tall and quality imports.
It really sucks...
But I have a feeling someday we'll scrap this import height limit bs. It already happened, which tells us it's possible.

[ariel_muhlach]

how can we improve our local's games if we don't play against better, taller and 'real' centers? We have been craving for taller imports but unfortunately our economy won't allow us-or atleast some pba teams doesnt have the ability to hire tall and quality imports.
It really sucks...
But I have a feeling someday we'll scrap this import height limit bs. It already happened, which tells us it's possible.

Our country must rise first from being a poor country. The time we were Lord of Asian Basketball, the Philippines was among the richest countries in Asia. That was the time we have Mercedes Benzes as our Taxi Cabs.

If it would happen in our lifetime I do not know .... I think we must first get rid of corrupt public officials then so many things are still to be done.

[theImbaguy]

Our country must rise first from being a poor country. The time we were Lord of Asian Basketball, the Philippines was among the richest countries in Asia. That was the time we have Mercedes Benzes as our Taxi Cabs.

If it would happen in our lifetime I do not know .... I think we must first get rid of corrupt public officials then so many things are still to be done.

as long as we are competitive and consistently in the part of top 2-4 in the intl stage im fine with that.
There are only 2 things i want for the pba: 1st is to expand up to 14 teams so there will be more teams for our players. And 2nd is to remove the height limit. Just that and im fine with it.

[13wowowee]

Atty. Salud could be right, the league can restrict anybody to play or any company to join. Being a private organization, they can set certain rules and restrictions who will be eligible to play. The same way they implement minimum age, minimum number of college units, height limit for imports, trade appovals and others. Even if somebody will insist that being a naturalized Filipino he is intitled to his rights as stated in the constitution, but for the reason of parity and for the best interest of the league, the PBA can do something.

Lets talk about Douthit's case. Though he's already naturalized, but still he has no Filipino blood. It's against the PBA rule. That's the first requirent to be eligible to play as a local. To have at least a part Filipino lineage.

Okey, for the sake of arguement, let's assume he will be allowed to play as a local. What will be the implications? Do you think, this will be beneficial to the league? Consider the following:

1. Since he will be allowed to play as a local, of course he will start as a rookie. How about his salary? Don't tell me, from US$15K (if I'm not mistaken) he will accept a maximum pay for rookie which is only P150K for the first year, P225K for the 2nd year and P350K in his 3rd year? I don't think so! So another problem will arise on this. Rules will be broken again. This may cause another precedence.

2. The team which will draft him will really have a huge advantage. Just like having a 6-11 import playing against an all-Filipino crew with a tallest player of only 6-7. This will create an imbalance to the league. In the current conference, if the rest of the 9 teams who have a 6-4 import, find it hard to win against Douthit's team, how much more if it's an all local team?

3. If ever he will be allowed to play as a local, do you think that other teams will simply allow to become an underdog just because of him? Instead, they will also make a move to naturalize their own choice players and make sure that they (foreign players) can play for their teams. So instead of focusing their attention in searching and developing for new talents and local breeds, teams will now invest and throw their resources on possible players to be naturalized. This will deny, if not lessen the oppotunities for our home grown players. A mockery of the rule again will blow on this.

With those 3 points I've mentioned above, the interest of the league will be greatly affected. So how can the PBA allow Douthit to play as a local? If so, it will be another step forward to their downfall!

no problem with the salary as long as the owner(MVP) has no problem paying the player... 150k on paper but giving the remainder of his true salary at home... :D:D:D

[ariel_muhlach]

no problem with the salary as long as the owner(MVP) has no problem paying the player... 150k on paper but giving the remainder of his true salary at home...

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.

[nardy]

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.


this reminds me of Willie Pearson who left the country in order to escape from being imprisoned by the BIR for Tax Evasion.

the same thing also happened to Rey Lazaro, due to Tax Evasion charges filed by the BIR he suddenly disappeared and hid in the US without contacting family and friends for several years in order to avoid being traced by Philippine Authorities.

On another note Rene Hawkins had a problem in Federal Express honoring the under the table contract he had with Tanduay after the Lucio Tan franchise was sold to Bert Lina's Group. Jayvee Gayoso is one of those who revealed Tanduay giving side contracts to its players in order to get around the salary cap. After his confession, Gayoso never gotten back to the PBA as a squealer has no more future in the PBA as it is a Private Boys Club which follows the "Honor Code Among Thieves".

[nardy]

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This team that wants this guard has the coach directly talking with the subject.
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/48390936002170880)

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Skidding team now aggressive in acquiring their target off guard. But trade might not happen in this conference.
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[nardy]

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Barako Bull won't return to PBA

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Posted at 03/17/2011 7:06 PM | Updated as of 03/17/2011 7:32 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Basketball club Barako Bull has informed the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) that it will not be returning to the league.
According to league commissioner Chito Salud, Barako Bull already clarified its intent to leave the PBA.


Barako Bull, which took a leave of absence from the league, has been under financial distress since 2009.


Team management had admitted they were having difficulties with the team's payroll.


The Energy Boosters' leave of absence paved the way for Smart Gilas-
Pilipinas to sign up for the league’s Commissioner’s Cup.


Phoenix Petroleum will reportedly take over Barako Bull’s franchise.

[nardy]

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@diobert26 (http://twitter.com/diobert26) @TheLlamados (http://twitter.com/TheLlamados) @purefoodsbball (http://twitter.com/purefoodsbball) He'll need a rest bro. Read between the lines... DAL Activated Jonathan Fernadez and dropped Allado
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Teams in dire need of a legitimate off guard... SMB, Derby Ace, Air 21, Rain or Shine!
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This team that wants this guard has the coach directly talking with the subject.
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Skidding team now aggressive in acquiring their target off guard. But trade might not happen in this conference.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/48390742095314946)

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DER$BY ACE GOV. PARDO: We activated Jonathan Fernandez because we needed a legitimate number 2.
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RAFi Reavis is also scheduled for surgery on his foot fracture this week. Might also return next conference.
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Rico Maierhoffer just underwent surgery in his ACL. Derby Ace hopefule that he'll be back in 5-6 months.
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GOOD NEWS DERBY ACE FANS: No serious injury on calf muscle strain of James Yap. But he is still day to day.
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Just between you and me: BARAKO FRANCHISE is said to be sold to Phoenix Petroleum for Php60M
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COMMISSIONER SALUD: Barako Bull has already informed us that they can no longer return to the league. Story on Teledyaryo Sports tonight.
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[nardy]

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The Dugout

PBA: A Trade Gone Wrong?

SMB, Air21 have yet to win a single game after celebrated trade

By BRIAN YALUNG
March 17, 2011, 4:12pm


MANILA, Philippines – After last night’s games, you would have to ask yourself, was the SMB-Air21 trade (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/307127/revised-smbair21-pba-trade-approved) a costly one? Two teams which figured in a blockbuster trade have not yet won a single game after exchanging players and considering that this is a short PBA elimination round tourney, the timing couldn’t have come at a better time.


Let us take the two team’s perspectives. First that of San Miguel (http://mb.com.ph/articles/307272/smb-beefs-defense-with-entry-top-rookies).


There is no question that San Miguel is an aging lineup. And after two runner-up finishes, one can only wonder what is going on in the minds of the San Miguel management side. They are indeed a powerhouse team but against the younger, athletic, speedier and versatile players, they are sitting ducks.


Add to the fact that San Miguel has a tradition to keep. They are among the elite PBA ballclubs who have won many championships and sacrificing a conference or two is not that a big deal for the company. It is similar to saying that it is better to incur losses now, reap the profits later.


Such is the case with the influx of new blood in Rabeh Al-Hussaini (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/306628/is-rabeh-worth-trading), Noy Baclao and Rey Guevarra to go with existing prime stalwarts like Jay Washington (http://www.mb.com.ph/node/289010/wa), Arwind Santos (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/213222/bk-s-santos-traded-san-miguel), Joseph Yeo and Alex Cabagnot (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/285207/under-agustin-cabagnot-shines) among others.


The current SMB (http://mb.com.ph/articles/309068/smb-experiencing-turbulence) lineup, barring any future deals, is the PBA team of the future. The rewards may not be felt now but it will certainly be the case once the young guns finally gain the experience and hit their mark.


As for Air21 (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/307221/air21-express-now-a-pba-contender), we have a ballclub aching to make its mark in the PBA. They have yet to win a championship and with four high-caliber players in Danny Seigle (http://mb.com.ph/articles/306866/seigle-and-samboy-a-tale-two-pba-stars), Dondon Hontiveros (http://mb.com.ph/articles/307815/hontiveros-gets-chance-be-a-franchise-player), Dorian Pena and Paul Artadi the dream of copping that PBA crown is within reach.


The Express are in the adjustment stage, something that was expected for a team that was not even favored prior to the tournament. At 1-3 they still do have a chance to make it to the next round but like the Beermen, they have to start winning their games.


For the Beermen who are now at 1-4, they are in danger of missing out the next round. The daunting task of having to win all of their remaining games seems to be a hard one and not even reinforcement Danny Young (http://mb.com.ph/articles/308199/david-young-makes-pba-debut-with-younger-smb-squad) or perhaps another super import (http://mb.com.ph/articles/308114/pba-imports-no-one-indispensable) can save them from impending disaster.

Checking on the social networks, the fans are pretty much disappointed and restless. They question the trade and the timing of such a critical transaction. Many have hit management, particularly that of the San Miguel Beer squad for such a PBA trade which has placed their favorite team in an unlikely predicament.


But as stated earlier, this is likewise a PBA undertaking and traditions need to be kept. Sacrificing loyal and marquee players are included for such a big investment and if the price is right, profits and success will always be the important thing in the end.

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Barako Bull won't return to PBA

abs-cbnNEWS.com
Posted at 03/17/2011 7:06 PM | Updated as of 03/17/2011 7:32 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Basketball club Barako Bull has informed the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) that it will not be returning to the league.
According to league commissioner Chito Salud, Barako Bull already clarified its intent to leave the PBA.


Barako Bull, which took a leave of absence from the league, has been under financial distress since 2009.


Team management had admitted they were having difficulties with the team's payroll.


The Energy Boosters' leave of absence paved the way for Smart Gilas-
Pilipinas to sign up for the league’s Commissioner’s Cup.


Phoenix Petroleum will reportedly take over Barako Bull’s franchise.

Good bye to Red Bull/ Photokina Franchise and thanks for the memories.
My two all time favorite series involving Red Bull were the SMB Championship and Purefoods Championship. Laban talaga.

[13wowowee]

Are you telling us that its right to do under the table deals ...... that's unlawful. That's a criminal act if discovered that could result in jail time.

That's not the proper way to tell new Filipino Citizen Marcus Douthit to do things.

It is the duty of a Good Citizen to file his Income Tax Return correctly and pay the right amount.

para namang xa lang ang ganun dito sa pinas at sa PBA!!! c'mon...

trans: well thats the way other player/management does :D:D:D:D:D

[EaglesEye]

para namang xa lang ang ganun dito sa pinas at sa PBA!!! c'mon...

trans: well thats the way other player/management does :D:D:D:D:D

But still it's wrong! Then assuming they will offer him side contract or under the table, good thing if that side contract is only worth P50K. But for Douthit's case, it's impractical for the team to offer him a contract worth only P150K then an under the table deal of P450K just to match his current salary of accordingly US$15K (equivalent to more than P600K). It's crazy to do such thing!

[nardy]

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Big risk–why the name change?

Ronnie Nathanielsz

Inside Sports

First Posted 01:10:26 18/03/2011


While we recognize the inherent right of San Miguel Corp. to change the name of its San Miguel Beer team in the Philippine Basketball Association to Petron, we are certainly baffled over the name change.
To millions across the nation who love the sport of basketball with a passion, San Miguel Beer was—and will always remain—a team they could identify with through the years as the flagship representative of San Miguel Corp.
It was inherently Filipino and carried the San Miguel Beer name with remarkable distinction. To change the name to Petron and to expect the same dedicated following is a tremendous risk that the corporation is taking.
Simply put, there is absolutely no synergy between beer and gasoline.
The fundamental reason why teams join the PBA is to help promote its products in the competitive marketplace and to keep its brand name in the public consciousness.
We may be wrong but we don’t believe that Petron, an oil-industry leader like Shell and Caltex, can push its product in the marketplace in the fashion that San Miguel Beer did against its competitors.
* * *
Besides, the timing could not have been worse.
The constant increase in gasoline prices, which has burdened the Filipino consumer and resulted in an upswing in the prices of essential products such as rice and bread to name but two, mitigates against drawing public support for a basketball team.
Questions are being asked on a daily basis on the various social networking sites about the rationale for the gasoline price increases measured against the reality of inventories purchased at lower prices but being sold based on current market prices.
Gasoline and other oil products are necessities that the public cannot do without and, therefore, there is no need to promote it except in a competitive sense. But whether it will work is doubtful.
* * *
Pilipinas Shell, some years ago, decided to leave the PBA at a time when the public was beginning to question the rationale for maintaining a costly basketball team while at the same time burdening the consumer with higher prices.
That reality is far more pronounced today than it was when Shell decided to do the sensible thing and pull out of the PBA.
We wonder whether the decision to change the San Miguel Beer name to Petron, which is largely owned by the San Miguel Corp., was precipitated by the planned entry of Phoenix Petroleum, a very small player in the market, which was in negotiations with Barako Bull to acquire its franchise.
* * *
Surely Petron cannot consider Phoenix a competitor in the accepted sense of the word because it is basically a small player in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.
What is even more perplexing is the effort to keep out Phoenix when the firm, to its credit, has invested in the PBA by sponsoring the out-of-town games which serve as one of the major boosts to the acceptance of the pro league in the provinces.
We believe that with San Miguel Corp.’s right to rename its team, it comes with the need to exercise responsibility in relation to the millions of fans of the San Miguel Beer basketball team.
The Beermen have a storied history and San Miguel Beer epitomizes a Filipino product of unmatched quality. We will grieve to see it removed from our cherished PBA memories.

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2011-03-18 13:10:59

The Final Score: Mark Caguioa battles Ginebra’s winds of change

By MICO HALILI

Caguioa is about to face Danny Seigle on a Wednesday night. I ask Caguioa if he's affected by Seigle's stunning transfer. He answers by remembering what happened before and guessing what lies ahead. Before, they were perceived as indispensable. That perception has changed. Caguioa believes the team around him, like many things, is changing too.

"I do feel it," Caguioa admits. "Even my Mom's telling me that. It's just different."

Is Caguioa no longer a punk? For years, he was the PBA’s primetime rogue. If he roared into the Araneta Coliseum parking lot in a wicked Harley Davidson, clad in leather, hiding behind the devil's shades, the image would’ve been perfect. Those days are gone. What’s left of the good times; a warrior’s mohawk and a proud man’s memories.

"Ginebra hasn't been the same since 2008, the last time kami nag-champion," Caguioa says. "Iba siyang team ngayon. It's not a run-and-gun team. I'm really worried kasi if we win games, it's not Ginebra. There's no fun."

Shouldn't Caguioa be happy with 14 points, 13 attempts and 26 minutes per game? He's not. Suddenly, he opens up with a rant that sounds more like a plea. He doesn't look me in the eye. Malayo ang tingin. He seems to look back; when Ginebra loved stepping on the gas. He also looks ahead; anxious where a team that prefers to step on the brakes is going.

"I just want to bring the old Ginebra back," Caguioa admits. "Look who's averaging the most for our team. Everything goes through Nate Brumfield. We really don't have nowhere to go. Everything is sa kanya. I feel bad because he has to do all the work and we can't help him."

Still, Caguioa believes the juggernaut years aren’t gone for good. They’re just off the radar, meant to be rediscovered. He isn’t sure, however, if he’s surrounded by the right people. He misses the old crew. He misses Jayjay Helterbrand, of course. He even misses the old supporting cast; Dimaunahan, Artadi, Pacana. He mentions their names, recalls their value in winning championships. He doesn’t sound like a punk. Unless, he's just pretending to be a sage.

Someone from Ginebra's staff approaches. It's nearing game-time so the staff member wants to whisk Caguioa away. He widens his eyes at Caguioa as if to say, "Time's up chief." But Caguioa ignores the cue. He has more to say. It can't wait.

"I don't know what it is, but, as a player you want that chemistry going," Caguioa says. "But it's different when you always have new players. We keep adjusting. It's hard right now. I don't know what's going on with the team. We really do have a problem."

Wednesday's worries won't change on Sunday. Caguioa will face San Miguel without Seigle, play for a Ginebra team without his kind of fire and look very far at how everything is supposed to be. -- GMA News

[lovejones]

^^^This is what a great sports article is supposed to do - to give the reader a powerful character insight.

[ramjo]

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Big risk–why the name change?

Ronnie Nathanielsz

Inside Sports

First Posted 01:10:26 18/03/2011


While we recognize the inherent right of San Miguel Corp. to change the name of its San Miguel Beer team in the Philippine Basketball Association to Petron, we are certainly baffled over the name change.
To millions across the nation who love the sport of basketball with a passion, San Miguel Beer was—and will always remain—a team they could identify with through the years as the flagship representative of San Miguel Corp.
It was inherently Filipino and carried the San Miguel Beer name with remarkable distinction. To change the name to Petron and to expect the same dedicated following is a tremendous risk that the corporation is taking.
Simply put, there is absolutely no synergy between beer and gasoline.
The fundamental reason why teams join the PBA is to help promote its products in the competitive marketplace and to keep its brand name in the public consciousness.
We may be wrong but we don’t believe that Petron, an oil-industry leader like Shell and Caltex, can push its product in the marketplace in the fashion that San Miguel Beer did against its competitors.
* * *
Besides, the timing could not have been worse.
The constant increase in gasoline prices, which has burdened the Filipino consumer and resulted in an upswing in the prices of essential products such as rice and bread to name but two, mitigates against drawing public support for a basketball team.
Questions are being asked on a daily basis on the various social networking sites about the rationale for the gasoline price increases measured against the reality of inventories purchased at lower prices but being sold based on current market prices.
Gasoline and other oil products are necessities that the public cannot do without and, therefore, there is no need to promote it except in a competitive sense. But whether it will work is doubtful.
* * *
Pilipinas Shell, some years ago, decided to leave the PBA at a time when the public was beginning to question the rationale for maintaining a costly basketball team while at the same time burdening the consumer with higher prices.
That reality is far more pronounced today than it was when Shell decided to do the sensible thing and pull out of the PBA.
We wonder whether the decision to change the San Miguel Beer name to Petron, which is largely owned by the San Miguel Corp., was precipitated by the planned entry of Phoenix Petroleum, a very small player in the market, which was in negotiations with Barako Bull to acquire its franchise.
* * *
Surely Petron cannot consider Phoenix a competitor in the accepted sense of the word because it is basically a small player in the Visayas and Mindanao regions.
What is even more perplexing is the effort to keep out Phoenix when the firm, to its credit, has invested in the PBA by sponsoring the out-of-town games which serve as one of the major boosts to the acceptance of the pro league in the provinces.
We believe that with San Miguel Corp.’s right to rename its team, it comes with the need to exercise responsibility in relation to the millions of fans of the San Miguel Beer basketball team.
The Beermen have a storied history and San Miguel Beer epitomizes a Filipino product of unmatched quality. We will grieve to see it removed from our cherished PBA memories.

Yeah, I kinda can't understand this move by San Miguel as well. I mean, being the flagship brand and all, I was kinda thinking it was illogical that they will be changing its name rather than say, B-Meg.

[13wowowee]

But still it's wrong! Then assuming they will offer him side contract or under the table, good thing if that side contract is only worth P50K. But for Douthit's case, it's impractical for the team to offer him a contract worth only P150K then an under the table deal of P450K just to match his current salary of accordingly US$15K (equivalent to more than P600K). It's crazy to do such thing!

haha.. and thats why MVP is out there for him..
and as ive said,as long as MVp wants to pay him then douhtit has no problem with the rookie's max pay.. WRONG?of course its wrong but they are not the only one who will do that..IMPRACTICAL?e kung gusto pala paglaruin ni MVP e..

[Big Ticket]

own a business to understand why SMC is doing that...

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

own a business to understand why SMC is doing that...

agree. ideal is totally different from being practical.

[nardy]

own a business to understand why SMC is doing that...

or at least get employed in a corporate environment.

there are just things that are not that simple.

[Big Ticket]

in short, be in the real world.....not just depending on the allowances given by your folks...

it's survival of the fittest in the real world, kids!

[reamily]

lol what if the board blocked Phoenix entry.... Barako Sale not gonna push through????

[nardy]

lol what if the board blocked Phoenix entry.... Barako Sale not gonna push through????

that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.

[ariel_muhlach]

that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.


Well that's life .... "Ganun talaga ang buhay"

the PBA is an exclusive Private Boys Club .....

So if you are not rich .... you're out. In other words "Pang-Mayaman lang ito"

[reamily]

Mahirap yan pag mayayaman lang baka mamaya 2 lng kasi yung mayaman eh..

trans... if PBA is for the rich we might have two owners, at least we can divide PBA into two conferences/divisions:eek::D:D

[Big Ticket]

that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.

reiterating just what you posted:

"or at least get employed in a corporate environment.

there are just things that are not that simple."

[ogre]

I'm just a "small" boy and I don't know how this corporate ek-ek works. Even Belle is taller than me.:D:D:D

[QWERTY1234]

MONEY...MONEY....MONEY......MONEY......MONEY.....
MONEY.... AND MORE MONEY:p:p:p:p:p:p




that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.

[nardy]

reiterating just what you posted:

"or at least get employed in a corporate environment.

there are just things that are not that simple."

Yes I know .... but cant help being sad about it however thats how it really is in the business world, nothing comes free .... Thats why its called Business and not Charity.

[momax]

that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.

Very pathetic this fraternity of PBA owners. There is one common denominator GREED. In their world if you are not Greedy you wont survive.

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

that's why I feel really sorry for Barako Bull team owner George Chua, that sale could have helped him get funds to save his fledging business but it seems the PBA would block it. I also could not take the selfishness and greediness of the other PBA Owners, they also shot down the suggestion of MVP that whatever gate-receipts and TV Revenues generated by SMART GILAS participation in the on-going conference is to be given to Barako Bull but instead they want to divide it among themselves. It's just sad .... :(

They have taken into account of the contribution of Red Bull in the PBA and that George Chua was also once a distinguish member of the exclusive club of PBA Team Owners.

Is this how you treat a comrade who is now down and is needing help.

this adds up to my admiration of the MVP. a great man.

[nardy]

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Bleachers' Brew #252 Iba ang may pinagsamahan (http://bleachersbrew.blogspot.com/2011/03/bleachers-brew-252-iba-ang-may.html)




This appears in the Monday March 21, 2011 edition of the Business Mirror.


Iba ang may pinagsamahan
by rick olivares



I was talking about the current predicament of the San Miguel Beermen with some friends and former SMB players the other day and I realized that there are some things that bear much gleaning into and there are others that don’t.


Does that make sense?


Uh, let’s try to figure it out.


It’s a rebuilding phase. If it were truly that, then why not make the trade before the start of the current conference? That way, they would have a little more time to jell.


So I postulated to one former Beerman who was himself perplexed by the changes that this was done while they had some players with trade value. That player nodded in agreement as I pointed out that the same fate befell current head coach Ato Agustin who was traded to Sunkist for Nelson Asaytono after the title drought of the mid-90s. Alvin Teng, another regular on SMB’s rotation was likewise traded.


It is certainly also possible that management thought that this current team had run its course and they needed to reload because in the last two PBA conference championships, they fell respectively to the Alaska Aces and the Talk ‘N Text Tropang Texters. One former Beerman thought that some players like Danny Seigle and Dorian Peña were slowing down, hence, the need for younger legs.


Agustin told me that that one factor was that opening day loss in the Commissioners Cup where the Beermen lost to Air21 92-87. It seems that management thought that there was no fight in the players and that forced their hand.


Maybe the Beermen didn’t want to experience what the Boston Celtics did when their 1980’s teams got old as some of their star players hung up their sneakers or passed away. Looking at their champion teams of old. San Miguel didn’t get anything following the retirement of Hec Calma, Samboy Lim and Allan Caidic. And the transition to their next gen champion teams wasn’t smooth.


It’s probable that this represents a changing of cultures. It’s still a business and they’d love for nothing more than to keep the wins and championships coming. But I am curious of many recent moves that include the jettisoning of former coach Siot Tanquingcen whose teams were always in the hunt for a title (he won one out of two title series for the Beermen) in the middle of a championship series no less.


I wondered to my SMB friends if the team is going to take a hit this conference for their future and they concurred since there was a slightly similar situation to what they went through in the 1990s when they reloaded with their third generation team that featured Olsen Racela, Danny Ildefonso, Dondon Hontiveros, Peña, Seigle, and others.


One player, who asked not to be named, said that with the recent trades and new faces – Nonoy Baclao, Rabeh Al-Hussaini, Rey Guevarra, and Paolo Hubalde – chemistry is a problem as players have yet to grasp their roles. To compound the problem, when players come in during games, rather than pass the ball, they look to score. However, in the same breath, that player also expressed belief that this is all temporary and that things will click soon.


If you ask me, the wheeling and dealing isn’t done. I’d say they’d make another trade before they go with a particular team for the long haul. And there's the new name change from San Miguel to Petron that sounds weird.


We like things to be perfect but they aren’t. Iba ang may pinagsamahan is just a snazzy tag line that that was cooked up two decades ago although they did brought some of those fabled players back in the fold in various capacities. In fact, Calma, Lim, Caidic, Arthur dela Cruz, and Freddie Abuda are on the coaching staffs of the various SMB teams in the PBA. Even Pido Jarencio, who burned a hole in a deep deep bench and was traded soon after is back as an assistant. So I wouldn’t be surprised if these former Beermen will find eventually their way back into the fold in one capacity or another. And you can bet that should they change to Petron, one day they'll be back to SMB. After all, iba ang may pinagsamahan.




Posted by Rick Olivares

[nardy]

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With Bulls sale pending, Govs Cup field down to 9 (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/sports/8818-with-bulls-sale-pending-govs-cup-field-down-to-9)

Sunday, 20 March 2011 18:43
Joel Orellana




THE Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) would like to keep an even number of teams, but revealed it is possible that only nine would see action in the coming Governors’ Cup.


League commissioner Chito Salud said Barako Bull has formally informed them that it will no longer participate in the season-ending conference.


At the same time, the George Chua-owned team told the PBA its plan to sell its franchise to Phoenix Petroleum Philippines, which will be discussed in a board meeting on Friday.


“We could have nine or it could remain to 10. These are all possibilities,” Salud told the BusinessMirror on Sunday.


Barako Bull, which is currently on leave, cited three reasons it is no longer interested in keeping the franchise although Salud said this still needs board approval.


“One, they said that they have an ongoing legal battle with their principals,” said Salud, referring to the issue on the legality of being the rightful distributor of energy drink Red Bull in the Philippines.


“Second, the loss of Tony Chua really hurt them because he’s the head of basketball operations of the franchise for a while and, third, they are shifting to new fields and they say it might be difficult for them to continue running the franchise in the PBA,” he added.


Chua was one of the many casulties in the Ondoy typhoon that hit the country in 2009.


If the board gives a go signal to the sale of the Barako Bull franchise to Phoenix Petroleum, the PBA will keep a 10-team field in the Governors’ Cup.


But San Miguel Beer’s decision to change its brand name to Petron Blaze in the third conference raised doubts whether it will push through as the league honors a veritable lockout to competitors of an existing member team.


In the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup, Smart Gilas-Pilipinas is using Barako Bull’s spot.


There are reports that the national team is weighing its options on whether to compete anew in the PBA. The nationals will be busy in the coming months as they prepare for the Fiba-Asia Men’s Championship in Wuhan, China, this September.


“As of now, they have yet to inform us if they will participate or not,” said Salud.


National team head coach Rajko Toroman of Serbia said they haven’t reached a decision yet whether to continue playing in the PBA but team manager Frankie Lim said in a text message that: “It depends. If they will allow us to play, we will.”


The Governors’ Cup runs from May to July but Toroman’s team is eyeing international tournaments prior to the Fiba-Asia tournament, the qualifier for the 2012 London Olympics.

(Joel Orellana)

[nardy]

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Barako 3rd PBA franchise to fold up in last 6 years

REY JOBLE, GMA News
03/20/2011 | 07:30 PM

Barako Bull is expected to become the third franchise of the Philippine Basketball Association to fold up since 2005.

The Photokina franchise has already informed the PBA Commissioner’s Office that the team will not compete anymore in the season-ending Third Conference.

PBA Commissioner Atty. Chito Salud confirmed this development to GMA News.

“They wrote the PBA and informed us that they will not return in the third conference," Salud said in a telephone interview.

Shell Philippines, which bought the franchise of the legendary Crispa Redmanizers in 1985, played in the league for 21 seasons before selling the ball club to Asian Coatings, Inc. of Welcoat/Rain or Shine.

Sta. Lucia, which acquired the franchise of Presto/Great Taste of the Gokongwei family in 1992, also folded up at the end of the league’s 35th season and sold the ball club to Meralco.

But Barako Bull bidding goodbye has been expected as early as three years ago when the team started unloading its marquee players one after another.

According to Salud, George Chua, owner of Barako Bull, cited the reasons for his team’s decision to leave the PBA — the company’s continuing legal battle against its principal, the loss of main basketball man Tony Chua,and the company’s decision to shift its focus to another field.

Barako Bull’s Energy Food and Drinks Inc, the exclusive distributor of Red Bull Energy Drink products in the Philippines, filed a legal case against TC Pharmaceuticals Industries Co., manufacturer of Red Bull in Thailand, and the legal battle is still ongoing.

Tony Chua, Barako Bull’s team manager, board governor and former PBA chairman, died two years ago at the height of the wrath of typhoon Ondoy.

Also included in the letter is the intention of Barako Bull to sell its PBA franchise to Phoenix Petroleum Philippines, sponsor of the league’s road games for several years now.

“Barako has identified a projected buyer in Phoenix Petroleum, and the PBA board will decide whether it will accept Phoenix as the league’s newest member or not," added Salud.

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Members of the PBA board headed by Rene Pardo of B-Meg Derby Ace (fourth
from right) will meet again this week to discuss the fate of Phoenix Petroleum,
the company keen on taking over the Barako Bull franchise. GMANews.TV

The possible entry of Phoenix Petroleum as well as the decision of Barako Bull to bid goodbye will be topics of discussion in the next board meeting, which will be held either Tuesday or Friday this week.

“The board has decided to postpone its planned board meeting in the second Tuesday of this month, because the board chairman wants full attendance," added Salud.

Earlier, San Miguel Corporation notified the PBA Commissioner’s Office of the team’s name change for the third conference. The Beermen have decided to use Petron Blaze, one of its brands from its petroleum company.

Whether the move is San Miguel’s way of preempting the possible entry of Phoenix or just a way to promote one of its companies remains to be seen.

Teams come and go: a familiar trend

The economic pinch has always been the primary reason for teams folding up in the PBA’s 36-year history.

Basketball historians Jay P. Mercado and Atty. Percival Flores and well-known basketball analyst Andy Jao believe companies’ difficulties in continuing to finance their ball clubs would be one of the obvious reasons for folding up.

But they all agreed it won’t have a tremendous impact on Asia’s first play-for-pay league.

“The disbandment of Shell, Sta. Lucia and Barako Bull reminds me of the first 10 years of the PBA when teams came and went," said Mercado, business development manager of a popular fast-food chain and a regular writer of Pinoy Exchange sports forum.

According to Mercado, the first 11 years of the PBA were survival years.

Mercado, who passionately rooted for Crispa, and later on Ginebra, when Billy Ray Bates was acquired by the Gin Kings after he had led the Redmanizers to their second Grand Slam, recalled the teams that folded up in the first 10 years of the league.

“The first team to disband was Carrier after the 1976 season. Then, 7-Up disbanded and Filmanbank bought the franchise. Gilbey’s made it to a 9-team cast again in 1979. The Bankers disbanded, but Galleon Shippers got the franchise and then Tefilin joined to make it a 10-team field. At the end of 1981, Tefilin and Galleon disbanded, and in 1983, Winston joined the league in the same year that U-Tex disbanded."

Mercado noted that tthe Philippine economy collapsed in 1983 due to the assassination of Senator Ninoy Aquino, and then the unthinkable happened — Crispa and Toyota, which helped shape the popularity of the PBA and composed what many people still believe as the greatest rivalry in PBA history, also folded up.

“Beer Hausen bought the franchise of Toyota in 1984 and Shell bought Crispa’s franchise in 1985," added Mercado.

Atty. Flores agreed with Mercado’s insights.

“It has something to do with economics and that’s it," added Flores, legal counsel of a well-known land developer in the country and a regular writer of MYPBA, a rich source of basketball information.

But will the exit of a third PBA franchise in a six-year span create a negative impact on the PBA?

“There are two things to look into here. One, the PBA appears robust with 10 teams, which matched the most number of participants in the league. What makes it precarious is that half of the cast is owned by two companies — San Miguel Corporation and Smart Communications/PLDT," said Mercado.

Jao, who worked as a coaching staff of the U-Tex Wranglers, served as a board member of the PBA during the 1980s and joined the television panel for quite a time, has a more positive outlook.

“Shell, Sta. Lucia and Barako Bull stayed in the PBA for a long time. Maybe participation no longer fits their marketing purposes. I am sure there will be others which will take up the cudgels," said Jao, himself a former team manager of Red Bull. - KY, GMA News

[nardy]

Timeout from basketball ..... Tsismis muna :p



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Chris Tiu happy with Carmen Soo

Published : Monday, March 21, 2011 00:00
Written by : Gerry Ocampo
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SUPER-BUSY talaga ng schedule ni Chris Tiu.

Nag-overnight trip siya to Singapore sa gitna ng kanyang hectic sked bilang sikat na basketball player at TV personality.

Si Chris ang ipinadala ng Adidas sa Singapore para sa isang fashion show event ng sports wear.

Tsika sa amin, nagkita sina Chris at Carmen Soo sa Singapore at sa twitter ay nakita namin ang picture ng dalawa. Para sa mga malis-yoso, iisipin nilang nagkakamabutihan na sina Chris at Carmen.

Pagtatapat nga pala ni Chris, nag-enjoy siya sa ma-ikling panahon niya sa Singapore with Carmen Soo sa gitna ng pagiging busy niya sa ‘Pinas na kung saan may dalawa siyang programa sa GMA7, ang Ripleys Believe It Or at Hanepbuhay.

[lovejones]

Timeout from basketball ..... Tsismis muna :p

Who wouldn't be happy if you're with a girl like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iFVjbzxgkEQ/TKNQU6RjgqI/AAAAAAAAAgE/llvUEFAsbkA/s1600/Soo3.jpg

[kaiziken_pinas]

*&*^&&*^* ka CHRIS!

Anyway if Phoenix Petroleum doesn't acquire the Barako franchise, it'll be bad for the league right? We'll only have ROS, Air21, Alaska and Powerade as the non SMC and and MVP teams...

[dxjayrock2008]

Who wouldn't be happy if you're with a girl like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iFVjbzxgkEQ/TKNQU6RjgqI/AAAAAAAAAgE/llvUEFAsbkA/s1600/Soo3.jpg


Woohoo! :D:):cool:

[theImbaguy]

Woohoo! :D:):cool:

she deserves a spot in the Asia hOT women thread, i love to see booty

[rspk]

Who wouldn't be happy if you're with a girl like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iFVjbzxgkEQ/TKNQU6RjgqI/AAAAAAAAAgE/llvUEFAsbkA/s1600/Soo3.jpg

chris tiu bading!!!


trans! Lucky bastard.:D

it seems SMB/PETRON will be on the move again.. from snow badua.

# SMB COACHING STAFF: We are not raising the white flag yet. 23 minutes ago via web

* Reply
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SMB SOURCE: The next 4 days will be crucial for us.

[b3lowzro]

Timeout from basketball ..... Tsismis muna :p

from what i've been told by my sis, Chris Tiu is said to be arranged to be married with someone.

[saints13]

OT:

total e tsismis din lang.

ogiediaz ogie diaz
Abangan ang movie ng mag-asawang Ligot: My Amnesia Girl 2.
15 minutes ago

I just got into twitter frenzy..hehe..well it's never too late to follow the likes of snowbadua, patricia hizon ang the rest of the opinionated people with respect to Philippine Sports. and I somehow read this tweet from ogie diaz which made me laugh..hehe.

[ultimate_baller24]

from what i've been told by my sis, Chris Tiu is said to be arranged to be married with someone.

I read it somewhere that Chris and his GF are going strong for 9YEARS!:D
their longest cool-off was about 3months .:cool:

[ariel_muhlach]

from what i've been told by my sis, Chris Tiu is said to be arranged to be married with someone.

saw the girl with Chris when they attend mass either in Forbes or Greenhills.

Not really that pretty .... but white Chinese .... very prim and proper .... looks and moves like she comes from a very wealthy Chinese family (ala-Manu Po)

You know everything I get a chance to have a Chris Tiu sighting when he's not playing .... he always have a different car. SUV, Sports Car, etc

Grabe why does he has all the luck. Gwapo na Mayaman pa. Haaay Papa Chris hahaha ;)

[ariel_muhlach]

I read it somewhere that Chris and his GF are going strong for 9YEARS!:D
their longest cool-off was about 3months .:cool:

they pray the rosary together .....

[momax]

Why shouldn't we ask Showbiz Central or The Buzz to put Chris on an interview so that we wont waste our time on this forum speculating. :)

[lovejones]

they pray the rosary together .....

Quite understandle. If I'm Chris Tiu and I want to be loyal to my girl but there's this Carmen Soo and other bevies of beauties in the sidelines, I'd probably recite the whole stations of the cross every chance I get.

[ariel_muhlach]

Why shouldn't we ask Showbiz Central or The Buzz to put Chris on an interview so that we wont waste our time on this forum speculating. :)

Chris Tiu is not a good topic for Showbiz Tsismis ..... TOO BORING, when you interview him he always play it safe and avoids controversies and yuck don't like his too 'intectual' answers as his englishes is just too high paluting for me. Hahaha :D

[eindhow]

WTH is happening with you guys.. HAHA :p

[sickcurtain_16]

Chris Tiu is not a good topic for Showbiz Tsismis ..... TOO BORING, when you interview him he always play it safe and avoids controversies and yuck don't like his too 'intectual' answers as his englishes is just too high paluting for me. Hahaha :D


LOLed at this post. :D

[nardy]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
If you are a PBA player what do you want a bench player with San Miguel or a star player of the Barako Bull?
55 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/49822232649809921)

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RAJKO TOROMAN: I think Derby Ace with deadly shooters and a well organized defensive scheme has the capability to deal us our 1st loss..
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/49810251737866240)

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COACH JONG UICHICO: no exact date on Jayjay Helterbrand's return. He still needs to undergo strengthening and conditioning.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/49807617584939009)

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COACH RAJKO TOROMAN: Winning the Championship in the PBA is not part of our plan. But it will be a big boost to our morale if we earn it.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/49802779761455104)

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COACH RAJKO TOROMAN: My team is healthy, except for Aldrech Ramos who injured his shoulder.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/49801996777168896)

[reamily]

Its like choosing to be paid and not to be paid lol:eek:

[nardy]

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III
So that's why Andre Emmet is asking for an astronomic $35k a month to play here. He scored an all-time record 71 pts in China earlier this month. Haha, but his Fujian tm still failed to make d playoffs.
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/49862223807520769)

[ariel_muhlach]

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III
So that's why Andre Emmet is asking for an astronomic $35k a month to play here. He scored an all-time record 71 pts in China earlier this month. Haha, but his Fujian tm still failed to make d playoffs.
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/49862223807520769)

Wow .... a 6'4 journeyman who can't get a NBA contract and is too old for the NBA D-League wants to get paid for about PhP1.6 million per month. I wonder how a Quality Bigman of unlimited height would cost right now.

Gilas really gotten Douthit cheap at almost PhP850 thousand per month.

[nardy]

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So what’s a Yeng Guiao game against Smart Gilas without a little controversy? (http://firequinito.com/archives/537-So-whats-a-Yeng-Guiao-game-against-Smart-Gilas-without-a-little-controversy.html)

Posted by Jaemark Tordecilla (http://firequinito.com/authors/1-Jaemark-Tordecilla) on March 22, 2011 at 15:26 (http://firequinito.com/archives/537-So-whats-a-Yeng-Guiao-game-against-Smart-Gilas-without-a-little-controversy.html)

The last time a team coached by Yeng Guiao played Smart Gilas in a PBA tournament, back in the 2009-2010 Philippine Cup, Air 21 point guard Wynne Arboleda (http://firequinito.com/archives/198-Fight-mars-Burger-Kings-victory-over-debuting-Smart-Gilas.html) ended up assaulting a Gilas fan at courtside in a very ugly incident in a rough-and-tumble game. So when Guiao’s new team, Rain or Shine, faced off against the Gilas squad last Sunday, many fans were also expecting fireworks.

It didn’t come as much of a surprise that Rain or Shine’s Ryan Araña, a hardnosed guard, was somehow involved in the hostilities. During his college days at La Salle, Ateneo coach Norman Black compared Araña favorably to Ginebra icon Robert Jaworski. Explicitly, the multi-titled mentor was talking about the former Archer’s toughness, but people who followed the game closely picked up on the hint that the parallels between the two players extended to their rough, even dirty, playing style.

Araña was involved in a scuffle against naturalized center Marcus Douthit, who claims that he was hit in the groin. Later, Araña was called for a double-technical with Gilas guard Chris Lutz.

“Lutz was trash-talking with Ronjay (Buenafe) and our bench,” Araña later told Snow Badua (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/49015167555612672). “Ako lang ang gumanti.”

The RoS guard added that the incident started because Lutz dissed Guiao (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/49015584200994816). “Binabastos niya si Coach Yeng,” he said. “Siyempre, babanat kami, pero ‘di ako nagsimula nun. Saka ‘di ko gagawin yun, mahirap ma-suspend.”

Another source from the Elastopainters chimed in (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/49027636705505280), telling Badua, “Niyabangan at ni-trash talk ni Lutz ang bench namin. Pati si Coach Yeng, binastos. Pinapasampolan nga siya. Buti nga, ‘di na siya binalik.”

But a source who attended the game paints quite a different picture. “During the game, in the first half alone, Araña would throw elbows at Douthit whenever he cut in front of the big guy,” he wrote in an email. “Worse, before the first half ended, he threw a low blow to Marcus which the refs finally caught, although they only called a personal foul.”

The source also wrote that it wasn’t Chris Lutz who started thing with the Rain or Shine bench. “Minumura siya nina Araña at Buenafe during the game,” he continued. “I think when Larry Rodriguez was called for an illegal screen in the third quarter, Lutz started clapping as he was running back on offense. That’s what escalated things even more, as they cursed him more. Si Araña raw, lumapit sa bench ng Gilas and according to those sitting behind Lutz, even five rows back, sabi kay Lutz, ‘Fuck you Chris Lutz, I’m waiting for you inside!’ Tapos binalikan pa after, kaya na-double technical sila.”

Then again, the stuff that happened last Friday are probably no longer in the mind of Guiao or the rest of the Rain or Shine squad, as they have now dropped three straight losses after posting three wins to open their Commissioner’s Cup campaign (http://firequinito.com/archives/509-True-or-False-2011-PBA-Commissioners-Cup.html). But if Smart Gilas and Rain or Shine do end up meeting in the playoffs… boy, that would be something, wouldn’t it?

[momax]

Based on Q. Henson's article: What if Smart Gilas and R o S meet in the semis? I say it's impossible as R o S is going down the drain. They will never be in the semis.Their only win is their first 3 games. HA HA HA HA

[nardy]

Based on Q. Henson's article: What if Smart Gilas and R o S meet in the semis? I say it's impossible as R o S is going down the drain. They will never be in the semis.Their only win is their first 3 games. HA HA HA HA

Bro may I correct you ....

FireQuinito is not Quinito Henson but is actually the Title of the Blogsite of a BLOGGER that works for GMA News and PCIJ who's an ardent critic of Joaquin M. Henson, the so called 'DEAN' of Sports Journalism here in the Philippines.

[YoonJay18]

Just came to my mind.

With Barako Bull's departure, we may have another issue looming for the upcoming draft.

With Barako's last place finish in the Philippine Cup last conference, they have a 66% chance (as far as I know) that they will end up with the 1st overall draft pick. But, with owner Goerge Chua indicating that they will not return in the PBA already, a question came out of my mind.

What will happen to Barako's picks next draft day?

Where will their pick go to? Will it be nullified just like what happened to the 2009 2nd overall draft pick that was nullified due to issues with the pick's original owner, which is Shell?

[dxjayrock2008]

Bro may I correct you ....

FireQuinito is not Quinito Henson but is actually the Title of the Blogsite of a BLOGGER that works for GMA News and PCIJ who's an ardent critic of Joaquin M. Henson, the so called 'DEAN' of Sports Journalism here in the Philippines.



So, the FireQuinito Blogsite is just a word play for Fire Quinito or get rid-off Quinito? Lol.

[FrancizM]

So, the FireQuinito Blogsite is just a word play for Fire Quinito or get rid-off Quinito? Lol.

i thin fire quinito blog site is very informative... but sadly it is more known for its criticism... he just love to criticize people so that he will be noticed... may mga taong talagang ganyan...

before i was really intrigued by this fire quinito guy... but when i look at his profile he is just a fat looking neird from UP...


"bago mo punahin ang dumi ng iba tingnan mo muna sarili mo"...

[Jay P. Mercado]

Just came to my mind.

With Barako Bull's departure, we may have another issue looming for the upcoming draft.

With Barako's last place finish in the Philippine Cup last conference, they have a 66% chance (as far as I know) that they will end up with the 1st overall draft pick. But, with owner Goerge Chua indicating that they will not return in the PBA already, a question came out of my mind.

What will happen to Barako's picks next draft day?

Where will their pick go to? Will it be nullified just like what happened to the 2009 2nd overall draft pick that was nullified due to issues with the pick's original owner, which is Shell?

My appreciation of the rules is that the draft picks are dependent if these are included in the franchise sale. If they are, then the buying team automatically would own the draft picks of Barako. If these aren't included (similar to the Shell arrangement by Welcoat), then these are automatically forfeited.

You can imagine the value of Air 21 if ever they opt to sell their franchise by season end. They have an abundance of first round picks until 2014, if I'm not mistaken, and the team has the most solid shot among the SG players. Now, with the team's nucleus being strengthened by high-priced veterans like DS, Dondon, Dorian and Paul, then this team would likely be sold at more than the P60M franchise fee if a new team decides to join the league through a new franchise altogether.

[jesronne]

Trading begins: Former Best Player of the Conference offered to an underperformig team for a 2011 pick. Will this team bite the offer?

A coach is endangered of losing his job to make way for as new team. Here's the catch, if this coach goes, his star guard wants to be traded

Did you know that 7 and 16 were offered to a team for 20... just for 20. But the "coach" allegedly dumped the offer. Silly decision.


from snow badua

[nardy]

My appreciation of the rules is that the draft picks are dependent if these are included in the franchise sale. If they are, then the buying team automatically would own the draft picks of Barako. If these aren't included (similar to the Shell arrangement by Welcoat), then these are automatically forfeited.

You can imagine the value of Air 21 if ever they opt to sell their franchise by season end. They have an abundance of first round picks until 2014, if I'm not mistaken, and the team has the most solid shot among the SG players. Now, with the team's nucleus being strengthened by high-priced veterans like DS, Dondon, Dorian and Paul, then this team would likely be sold at more than the P60M franchise fee if a new team decides to join the league through a new franchise altogether.

So assuming the sale of Barako Bull PBA Franchise to Phoenix Petroleum is not allowed by the PBA Board and come the next PBA Draft there is only 9 active PBA Teams or even if a new franchise emerges but is outside the sale of Barako, then it is safe to conclude whatever draft picks/rights of Barako would remain in its place but without an owner.

So assuming the Barako Bull rights for its First Round choice has not been transferred thru a trade and Barako Bull as per "PBA Ranking Formula" ends up as the worst team in the 2010-2011 season .... then the 2011-2012 season #1 Draft Choice would belong to Barako Bull but since it would no longer be competing, then Technically there would be no #1 Draft Choice to be picked.

[nardy]

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The Dugout

PBA: Jumps and Humps going into the homestretch

Team Backcourts are becoming the X-factor to success
By BRIAN YALUNG
March 22, 2011, 6:12pm
MANILA, Philippines – Going into the homestretch of the PBA Commissioner’s Cup, it is noteworthy to see that the steady backcourt of the teams vying for the first two semi-final slots have been keys to their success.
Sans Smart Gilas (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/310184/pba-results-smart-gilas-drubs-ros-9994) which has gained success through a dominating big man in Marcus Douthit (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/309613/gilas-import-now-a-pinoy) as well as discipline and teamwork, Alaska, Talk ‘N Text and even the Barangay Ginebra Kings have been successful thanks to their backcourt duos.
For Alaska, there is no question that LA Tenorio has been the surprise package and his consistent play dating back to the previous PBA conference has done wonders for the Aces. Paired with the electrifying Cyrus Baguio, the tandem is simply giving the opposing PBA squads a headache.
The Talk ‘N Text Tropang Texters (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/310402/pba-tnt-now-solo-second) are living up to their billing as one of the favorites this conference, thanks mainly to the masterful hands of coach Chot Reyes and their loaded lineup. Spearheading their cause are guards Jimmy Alapag, Jason Castro and Ryan Reyes who are chiefly responsible for their no nonsense offense and vaunting fastbreak attacks.
Barangay Ginebra has so far had alternate support, led by main man Mark Caguioa who gets ample support from Ronald Tubid, and Willie Miller. Emphasizing on defense to ignite the dangerous Ginebra fastbreak has been key, something that has done wonders for coach Jong Uichico and a perfect fit for their import Nate Brumfield.
As for the other teams, Rain or Shine (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/307855/rain-or-shine-now-30-with-win-over-tigers) has suddenly gone cold, losing three games in a row prior to a hot 3-0 start. Their last loss came at the hands of the re-tooled Air21 Express (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/310497/retooled-air21-squeaks-past-ros-9492) squad.
For the three teams toting a similar 2-4 card, it is a period of adjustment for them due to the loss of players and new blood coming from trades which have so far failed to create a positive impact especially with a short conference that will see the bottom four teams taking an early vacation.
And at the end, we see two teams who are in unfamiliar territory. The Meralco Bolts have been having a tough time despite the entry of Solomon Mercado to their fold while the Beermen are experiencing the raw end of the celebrated PBA trade (http://mb.com.ph/articles/307127/revised-smbair21-pba-trade-approved) which made them the third youngest squad in the league today.
Then there is of course the import factor. Only Alaska, Barangay Ginebra, Rain or Shine and Talk ‘N Text have so far stuck to their original imports. While none of the reinforcements have really been dominating thus far, the key has been the steady and outstanding play of the PBA local players.
Among the PBA imports, LD Williams of Alaska, Nate Brumfield of Barangay Ginebra, Hassan Adams of Rain or Shine and Paul Harris of TnT have managed to stay afloat. Of the four however, it seems that Brumfield has been the steady reinforcement of the pack. Though his impact may not be among the likes of Billy Ray Bates (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/245055/search-next-billy-ray-bates), Tony "The Hurricane" Harris (http://mb.com.ph/node/11500) and Gabe Freeman (http://mb.com.ph/node/265379/freeman-track-be), he does get the job done for the kings.
For the Smart Gilas team, they can be summed up as a team with discipline, system and teamwork. Marcus Douthit has been making a difference but the unexpected explosion of homegrown talent like Chris Tiu, Andy Barroca, JV Casio, Aldrech Ramos and Mac Barachael have made the national team pretty much unpredictable.
With the remaining PBA schedule, it seems likely that Smart Gilas will nab the first outright semifinal slot. The second one is a toss-up between the Tropang Texters, the Alaska Aces and the Barangay Ginebra Kings.
As for the four teams that may find themselves taking an early vacation, the bottom of the standings says it all with San Miguel (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/309068/smb-experiencing-turbulence) being the unlikely first one to be booted out unless something crazy happens like the other teams losing most, if not all their games, and they in turn start winning.
With tomorrow’s matchup between the Meralco Bolts and the Powerade Tigers, the second casualty may most likely be known.
It looks like this is going to be one wild and wooly finish for the PBA Commissioner’s Cup.
NOTES: Barako Bull (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/308658/sale-barako-franchise-faces-rough-sailing)has relayed to the PBA office they are not coming back for the third conference due to financial issues. Further, this could pave the way for the entry of Phoenix Fuel if the PBA board approves the franchise sale of Barako Bull.....A keynote to this potential transaction is the fact that San Miguel has gotten the nod of the PBA to change its name to Petron. This stands as a stumbling block to allow the entry of Phoenix Fuel since the PBA does not allow a business competitor to enter in a co-branding deal with the PBA..…San Miguel Beer David Young (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/308199/david-young-makes-pba-debut-with-younger-smb-squad) may be replaced by a new import in former Sacramento State and the New Orleans Hornets player Jason Davis…Unless RoS import Hassan Adams steps up his game, he may be the next PBA import casualty as per coach Yeng Guiao..... Strangely after publishing that special article for Paul Artadi (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/310404/pba-kid-lightning-aching-energize-once-more), Kid Lightning gets that much needed exposure when he helped the Air21 team slip past the RoS team last Sunday.....Rumors are once again flying that another trade is in the works but it may push through after the current PBA conference.

[nardy]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
Did you know that 7 and 16 were offered to a team for 20... just for 20. But the "coach" allegedly dumped the offer. Silly decision.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50194267913732096)

:confused:

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
A coach is endangered of losing his job to make way for as new team. Here's the catch, if this coach goes, his star guard wants to be traded
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50193600419594240)


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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
Trading begins: Former Best Player of the Conference offered to an underperformig team for a 2011 pick. Will this team bite the offer?
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50192454971957248)

[Big Ticket]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
Did you know that 7 and 16 were offered to a team for 20... just for 20. But the "coach" allegedly dumped the offer. Silly decision.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50194267913732096)

:confused:



i guess this was hontiveros and artadi for gary david?

[momax]

Bro may I correct you ....

FireQuinito is not Quinito Henson but is actually the Title of the Blogsite of a BLOGGER that works for GMA News and PCIJ who's an ardent critic of Joaquin M. Henson, the so called 'DEAN' of Sports Journalism here in the Philippines.

Thank you sir for the correction as I thought all the while it was Mr. Henson's. By the way sir yesterday's avatar was the shortest-lived avatar I liked it pa naman.

[YoonJay18]

My appreciation of the rules is that the draft picks are dependent if these are included in the franchise sale. If they are, then the buying team automatically would own the draft picks of Barako. If these aren't included (similar to the Shell arrangement by Welcoat), then these are automatically forfeited.

You can imagine the value of Air 21 if ever they opt to sell their franchise by season end. They have an abundance of first round picks until 2014, if I'm not mistaken, and the team has the most solid shot among the SG players. Now, with the team's nucleus being strengthened by high-priced veterans like DS, Dondon, Dorian and Paul, then this team would likely be sold at more than the P60M franchise fee if a new team decides to join the league through a new franchise altogether.

Yeah, I'm aware of these rules. But, I'm just curious whether this problem could cause another "battle": between SMC and MVP.

And as far as I know, this issue could be discussed during the board meetings that will happen in the future.

[capitantiago]

i guess this was hontiveros and artadi for gary david?

i guess bo is very much in love with gary. hehehe

[Silent Killer]

gary david to air21 in exchange for hontiveros and artadi? The powerade could've had DH and the speedy guard artadi. but for sure, i wont trade david for DH and artadi.. for me its a good decision for powerade coach..

[Silent Killer]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
Did you know that 7 and 16 were offered to a team for 20... just for 20. But the "coach" allegedly dumped the offer. Silly decision.
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50194267913732096)

:confused:

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
A coach is endangered of losing his job to make way for as new team. Here's the catch, if this coach goes, his star guard wants to be traded
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50193600419594240)


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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
Trading begins: Former Best Player of the Conference offered to an underperformig team for a 2011 pick. Will this team bite the offer?
2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50192454971957248)

hmm... danny ildefonso to powerade? rain or shine?

[silverwing]

gary david to air21 in exchange for hontiveros and artadi? The powerade could've had DH and the speedy guard artadi. but for sure, i wont trade david for DH and artadi.. for me its a good decision for powerade coach..

I agree on this one. DH is one of my idol in PBA, but he can not explode anymore like what Gary david is currently doing right now. Artadi is fast but a poor shooter very unlikely for a point guard. :D

[Big Ticket]

gary david to air21 in exchange for hontiveros and artadi? The powerade could've had DH and the speedy guard artadi. but for sure, i wont trade david for DH and artadi.. for me its a good decision for powerade coach..

i think this was before SMB traded with air21.....remember, hontiveros' current number is 24, not 7.

[KevinDurant]

if this was Pena and Dondon, Coke would bite..

[ariel_muhlach]

Here's part of where MVP gets the money to pay his pampered basketball players:


http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan)

Its not because MVP has a bottomless pockets but we also have to thank the common tao for shouldering it.

[ariel_muhlach]

did anybody here really saw hoe Douthit got injured .............



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fmango Fidel Mangonon III
Who watched BMeg-Gilas gm knina? I think Pong Escobal shld've been Best Plyr of d Gm. Guess why.
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by fmango
@fmango bec natapakan sya ni marcus! hahaha
31 minutes ago

[CoJ]

Here's part of where MVP gets the money to pay his pampered basketball players:


http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan)

Its not because MVP has a bottomless pockets but we also have to thank the common tao for shouldering it.

sad but true..........no such thing as charity in business...

[nardy]

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micohalili (http://twitter.com/#%21/micohalili) Mico Halili
B-Meg's Peter June Simon wins game, loses teeth! Blog http://ow.ly/4ldNl
2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/micohalili/status/50759316331970560)

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
BIG DEVT: Underperforming team offered by a company w/ multiple squads to choose fro any players in their pool in exchange 4 2011 pick.
4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50759201630334976)

[jamalsampson]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
BIG DEVT: Underperforming team offered by a company w/ multiple squads to choose fro any players in their pool in exchange 4 2011 pick.
4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50759201630334976)

I feel San Miguel is already salivating on the Gilas players.

The names of Mac Baracael, Chris Tiu, Marcio Lassiter and Greg Slaughter are contant discussion topics. Sometimes Chris Lutz, Mark Barroca and Jayvee Casio are also talked about.

But surprise - surprise, there are talks that the genius that is Noli Eala is .... has a grand scheme, he is now encouraging the San Miguel Block to allow Marcus Douthit to play as a local in the PBA, as it would be sure the MVP group would not block it as it could affect Marcus game when he plays at FIBA-Asia, so they'll get the required votes and then with this very tempting offer to Powerade, it would make it a possibility for Douthit to end-up joining any of the 3 SMC teams. ;)

Whatz your take with Douthit in Ginebra :cool:

[jamalsampson]

There is a new Fil-Am prospect for the PBA D-league & eventually PBA. Phillip Morrison from Asbury University in Kentucky, USA. He plays at the NAIA level & was named All-Conference & an NCCAA All-American.
6'0, 170lbs Point Guard/Shooting Guard
09-10 Season Stats:
20.7pts, 3 reb, 3ast

10-11 Season Stats:
21.7 pts, 3 reb, 50.6%FG, 43%3pt, 83%FT
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bro this is not the right thread to post this. please delete your post and transfer it to Filipino Ballers in the US...News and Updates (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/filipino-ballers-in-the-us-news-8569/p130.html).

[Big Ticket]

did anybody here really saw hoe Douthit got injured .............




yup, saw it on TV..douthit accidentally stepped on pong escobal's foot while battling for a rebound...

[lovejones]

yup, saw it on TV..douthit accidentally stepped on pong escobal's foot while battling for a rebound...

and thus the joke that the best player of the game is really pong escobal :D

[saints13]

and thus the joke that the best player of the game is really pong escobal :D

So it wasn't true na walang katapat si Douthit sa PBA, si Escobal lang pala. :)

translation:
Escobal is the ankle breaker..literally. :)

[kikomatsing]

yup, saw it on TV..douthit accidentally stepped on pong escobal's foot while battling for a rebound...

HAHAAHA!.
when DAVID hits GOLIATH!
:)

patay fantasypts ko!

[Joe Yabuki]

HAHAAHA!.
when DAVID hits GOLIATH!
:)

patay fantasypts ko!

haha Pong escobal.... OSHI... Marcus in on my fantasy as well.

[SupaRuki]

Here's part of where MVP gets the money to pay his pampered basketball players:


http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/76422/saksi-bayad-sa-kuryente-sa-pilipinas-consumers-lang-ang-pumapasan)

Its not because MVP has a bottomless pockets but we also have to thank the common tao for shouldering it.

Half true in a sense that funding comes exclusively from the subsidiary involved. Gilas and TnT's come from PLDT/Smart Sports respectively, with Meralco resposnsible for its own franchise. Nonetheless Smart takes the lead on other sports for obvious reasons.

[ariel_muhlach]

Half true in a sense that funding comes exclusively from the subsidiary involved. Gilas and TnT's come from PLDT/Smart Sports respectively, with Meralco resposnsible for its own franchise. Nonetheless Smart takes the lead on other sports for obvious reasons.

what I said was ..... "Here's part of where MVP gets the money to pay his pampered basketball players"

I never said exclusively.

I never said for both teams or for 2 teams.

Another thing SMART and Talk N Text is also set to increase their rates and cut down their unlimited services.

What I am trying to drive at to correct the misguided who thinks that all these sponsorship money just comes from the personal pocket of MVP and that actually part of it comes from the income/revenues generated by the companies and that the companies do it by doing business.

If you read a number of posts in this forum a number of posters just feel that MVP can do it all and pay for everything.

[nardy]

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The Barako prototype: A deep profile of coach and politician Joseller “Yeng” Guiao (http://firequinito.com/archives/540-The-Barako-prototype-A-deep-profile-of-coach-and-politician-Joseller-Yeng-Guiao.html)

Posted by Karlitos Brian Decena (http://firequinito.com/authors/11-Karlitos-Brian-Decena) on March 24, 2011 at 15:25 (http://firequinito.com/archives/540-The-Barako-prototype-A-deep-profile-of-coach-and-politician-Joseller-Yeng-Guiao.html)


Editor’s note: Karlitos Brian Decena, a 3rd year journalism student at UP Diliman, was required to write a profile story for his investigative journalism class. An avid basketball fan, he chose as his subject controversial PBA coach Yeng Guiao, who also serves as vice-governor in Pampanga. Decena traveled to the province and examined public documents for his research. He got a grade of 1.0 for this project.

Clad in a red polo shirt and black slacks, Pampanga Vice Governor and Red Bull Barako coach Joseller “Yeng” Guiao watched Dondon Hontiveros hit a triple, giving San Miguel the lead with four minutes left in the second quarter.

After the shot, the bald-headed Guiao, known for haranguing players on court, did something a coach ordinarily would not do.

As Hontiveros, who was right in front of Guiao, ran to the other side of the court, the Barako coach shoveled his left elbow to the face of the 6’2” player, who took 13 seconds to recover and get up from the floor.

Guiao was not yet done. He approached and traded barbs with San Miguel assistant coach Pido Jarencio at half court with referees preventing them from engaging in a fight.

Officials decided to eject Guiao from the game, but his team still won, 104-100.

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Ben Espelimbergo, a basketball fan who watched the Philippine Basketball Association game live on TV four years ago, said in disgust: “He should not do things like that.” Guiao, he said, should lead a good example as his actions are seen publicly.

However, Guiao’s constituents in Pampanga, where he serves as vice-governor of the province, think otherwise.

“His coaching (job) is different (from being a public official),” said 44-year-old Analisa Manabat after getting a white slip from Guiao’s office granting her P500 for hospital expenses of her ailing relative.

“He is helpful, he is not negligent (of his duties),” said pedicab driver Robert Perez who from time to time goes to Guiao’s office to seek financial help.

Manabat and Perez are only two of the poor Pampanga citizens who flock to Guiao’s office on the second floor of the white Pampanga capitol every day to ask money for a variety of reasons, usually for hospital bills. They do not go home disappointed as Guiao’s staff gives P500 to them, regardless of the amount they need.

“He (Guiao) inherited his character from his father,” said Perez, referring to Guiao’s late father, Bren, who served as Pampanga governor from 1986 to 1995.

Politics runs in the blood of Guiao, whose uncle, Pastor, also served as the mayor of the Magalang town in 2004. Guiao started his political career at an early age serving as chairman of Kabataang Barangay (KB), predecessor of the now Sangguniang Kabataan, in his teenage years. He eventually became the president of the provincial KB.

Since then, the 51-year-old Guiao has held high positions in the provincial government. He was elected provincial board member in 2001 before becoming vice governor in 2004 and reelected in 2007 and 2010.

As vice governor, Guiao has always voiced out his disagreements with what he considers as questionable acts of his governors - Mark Lapid and Eddie Panlilio - in the past, especially those concerning the multimillion-peso quarry industry in Pampanga.

In 2007, Guiao charged then-governor Lapid, son of another former governor and now senator Lito Lapid, malversation of funds before the Ombudsman that led to the millions of losses in quarry revenues. Both Lapids were involved in the controversy.

The younger Lapid lost his reelection bid that year against priest-turned-governor Panlilio, with whom Guiao also feuded during his term.

Guiao opposed the P45 million proposed budget in 2008 by the Panlilio administration for quarrying operations as he wanted the fund minimized and allocated for other expenses such as hospitals and schools. He also turned down Panlilio’s offer as an adviser on quarrying operations.

In 2009, Guiao also questioned Panlilio’s filing of plunder raps against the Lapids for their alleged involvement in the loss of quarry funds, saying the priest’s action was politically motivated. At the time, Panlilio was being urged by various groups to run for president in the 2010 elections. Like the younger Lapid, Panlilio ended up losing to Guiao’s ally, Lilia “Baby” Pineda in the gubernatorial race that year.

Despite his ties to Pineda, Guiao assures that he would still be guarding against any anomalies in the Pineda administration, his executive assistant Arthur Punzalan said.

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“His independence is still there,” said Punzalan, who has been serving under Guiao since 2001.

Despite being in the world of politics, Guiao, an industrial engineering graduate from University of the Philippines Diliman, still pursued the sport he loves – basketball. He was a member of the UP Maroons senior basketball team in the 1980s and became a sensation in college intramurals.

Although Guiao did not make it to the PBA as a player, his coaching skills caught the attention of the RFM franchise, which gave him a break coaching its amateur basketball team. Guiao debuted in the PBA when Diet Sarsi moved up to the pros in 1990.

“Guiao didn’t create an impact as a coach at first because his team was an expansion team made up of several discards from other teams,” said Jay P. Mercado, resident basketball historian of the interactive sports website MYPBA.com.

After he clinched three titles with RFM, Guiao finally earned the respect of league followers. “He developed a championship team in just two years,” Mercado said.

Guiao’s players adored him so much that in 1994, they all shaved their heads to express their unity with him.

He then left coaching and became the commissioner of the Philippine Basketball League from 1997 to 1999. At the same time, he dabbled in sports commentary, covering PBA games and boxing matches for Vintage Sports.

Despite the adoration of his constituents and his effort to brand himself as a “good governance advocate” in the world of politics, it was Guiao’s hot-tempered nature that defined him when he returned to the coaching scene with Red Bull in 2000. He turned off many PBA fans because of his abrasive coaching style which, according to Mercado, goes against the present style of coaching in the pro league.

“He was a throwback to the 1970s style, which was physical, rugged and bordered on being dirty,” said Mercado.

Guiao’s teams play with a style so physical that in 2009, a fight broke out between his player and a fan when his Burger King squad faced the Smart Gilas national team (http://firequinito.com/archives/198-Fight-mars-Burger-Kings-victory-over-debuting-Smart-Gilas.html). Guiao was a former president of the Basketball Coaches Association of the Philippines, and had been a vocal critic of the national basketball federation’s hiring of a foreigner, Rajko Toroman, to coach the team.

Mercado believes that the game, which was marked by four flagrant fouls, was taken by Guiao as an opportunity to avenge a previous loss to Smart Gilas. In the offseason, Guiao’s PBA-backed national team suffered a 29-point loss in a charity exhibition match against Toroman’s squad.

The PBA audience is witness to how Guiao publicly curses players and league officials on the court. Mercado remembers a game where the coach yelled, “Tang ina, benta ka na naman!” (“Son of a bitch, you sold the game again!”) at a player, which everyone in the arena heard.

Aside from in-game profanity, Guiao brings his tough guy act to the dugout. In 2002, he confronted 6’9” PBA player Marlou Aquino and gave him a dirty finger in full view of spectators in the corridor of the Big Dome after a game.

There were even rumors that years ago, Guiao waved a pistol at his players during practice to motivate them.

His temperamental ways has led to in-game brawls, like the 2007 elbowing incident on Hontiveros, which the PBA does not ignore as the league penalizes him through fines and game suspensions. Since 2001, Guiao has amassed a total of P303,600 from fines due to his outbursts, a huge sum considering he acquired it for only six games and the league does not impose penalties too often. His biggest fine in a game totaled P100,000 in 2006 when he ordered a walkout during a game, also against San Miguel.

Guiao seems to hardly be concerned about the huge fines meted out to him. Then again, he earns millions of pesos, and is a millionaire many times over. His statement of assets, liabilities, and net worth (SALN) in 2008 showed that he is worth P44.7. His annual salary of P360,000 as a public official and P3.6 million as a coach afforded him a house and lot in Cainta, Rizal worth P10 million, a condo unit in Quezon City worth P5 million and four vehicles worth P6.7 million.

Aside from his two jobs, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) records show that Guiao has been either a board member or an incorporator in 12 different companies since 1990. Eleven of these companies, however, were not declared in his previous SALNs.

In 2008, Guiao began serving as treasurer for Radian Exploration and Mining Corporation, wherein he has 750,000 shares. His P20 million from equity in partnerships almost doubled his net worth in 2008 from only P20.6 million in 2006 and 2007, a year when his net worth was actually P18.8 million, which was curiously almost P2 million less than what he declared.

There were other inconsistencies in Guiao’s SALN, including the mysterious nosedive of his investments from P10 million in 2006 to P25,000 in 2007 despite having stocks in Chico River Consultancy and Management Corp.

These inconsistencies, if left unexplained, could be grounds for violating the Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards for Public Officials (Republic Act 6713) which imposes penalties to those with improper financial disclosures in their SALNs ranging from fines to suspension or permanent disqualification from the office.

His SALNs from 2002 to 2004 also revealed another sporting passion: race horses, worth P1.5 million which he acquired in 1982. “(Collecting) horses is one of his hobbies,” Punzalan said.

The frequent absence from the capitol of Guiao, father of two with wife Jennifer, due to his coaching commitments, as well as his on-court behavior that people say serve as bad example to the public, are common criticisms that the sportsman-politican faces.

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Punzalan, however, defends his boss from these charges. “He may be absent due to his appointments outside Pampanga,” he said while sitting at Guiao’s office, which is decorated with plaques and trophies he received as a coach and as a public official. “Compare it to a student who goes to school every day but does nothing. Let’s just look at his performance and output for the last nine years.”

Punzalan also remains unfazed by questions about Guiao’s coaching behavior. “On the hardcourt, he is a tough guy. But here, you don’t need to show that you’re a barako,” Punzalan said, referring to the Tagalog term for male hogs used to describe real men. “Like in the movies, he quickly changes his role. He has many characters.”

Mercado, meanwhile, commends Guiao for his coaching style that made him a five-time champion. “Yeng Guiao has mastered the art of tiptoeing the thin line between (what is) legal and illegal,” he said.

Still other basketball fans such as Ben Espelimbergo aren’t as smitten by the coach. For him, Guiao was unable to live up to the mandate of RA 6173, which requires all public officials at all times to conform to good morals.

[saints13]

The PBA audience is witness to how Guiao publicly curses players and league officials on the court. Mercado remembers a game where the coach yelled, “Tang ina, benta ka na naman!” (“Son of a bitch, you sold the game again!”) at a player, which everyone in the arena heard.

Blame game? pardon my curiousity (as well as ignorance)...who is this lucky player? :) was it Willie Miller?

[ariel_muhlach]

Yeng Guiao as a Politician is a Genius ..... he was successful in making the practice of funds to be allocated to hospitals and schools as misuse of funds generated from revenues coming from lahar quarrying. As he wants to keep the old practice of the quarry funds being distributed among the different local officials of Pampanga without any need to explain where it would go. Of course he is one of the local officials.

[ariel_muhlach]

Blame game? pardon my curiousity (as well as ignorance)...who is this lucky player? :) was it Willie Miller?

I might be wrong but I think it was Arwind Santos who was that particular player.

[nardy]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
SMB SOURCE: After masukatan si Jason Davis nung Lunes. Hindi ko na nakita. Hindi na nagpa practice simula nun eh. Puro gigil kasi laro.
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50922831537647616)


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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
SMB SOURCE: David Young pa rn import namin bukas. Di ata nagustuhan ung Jason Davis. Puro lakas lng walang basketball IQ. Di ko n nga nakkta
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50922620497035265)

[saints13]

I might be wrong but I think it was Arwind Santos who was that particular player.

mekeni connection ei.. :)
buti na lang si Ato Agustin na ka-mekeni connection e hindi pa sya tinatawag na benta. hehe

translation:
it's a good thing his SMB coach Ato Agustin, is not accusing him of selling games :)

[saints13]

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
SMB SOURCE: After masukatan si Jason Davis nung Lunes. Hindi ko na nakita. Hindi na nagpa practice simula nun eh. Puro gigil kasi laro.
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50922831537647616)


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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
SMB SOURCE: David Young pa rn import namin bukas. Di ata nagustuhan ung Jason Davis. Puro lakas lng walang basketball IQ. Di ko n nga nakkta
1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/50922620497035265)

e si david young, walang gana, parang binubulate

translation:
david young has ascaris

[SupaRuki]

what I said was ..... "Here's part of where MVP gets the money to pay his pampered basketball players"

I never said exclusively.

I never said for both teams or for 2 teams.

Another thing SMART and Talk N Text is also set to increase their rates and cut down their unlimited services.

What I am trying to drive at to correct the misguided who thinks that all these sponsorship money just comes from the personal pocket of MVP and that actually part of it comes from the income/revenues generated by the companies and that the companies do it by doing business.

If you read a number of posts in this forum a number of posters just feel that MVP can do it all and pay for everything.

fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
ot> afaik there are no price hikes and unli service cutdown- only promo modifications to improve packaging but the rates stay the same with the direction of even going lower. it has become ultra-competitive and we have no choice but to follow the route of predatory pricing to protect the consumer base.

[raichu08]

From Patricia Bermudez Hizon

Solving
Many problems by making the team
Better is of utmost importance.

so who do they want?

Getting
A
Real aggressive scorer
Yet can improve the team's defense too.

For Who? There are options but I'm not sure if they'll do it. Kinda steep.

Are you
Sure?

Are you
Consistent?

Just thinking of a
Way out?



GOT IT????

[capitantiago]

From Patricia Bermudez Hizon

Solving
Many problems by making the team
Better is of utmost importance.

so who do they want?

Getting
A
Real aggressive scorer
Yet can improve the team's defense too.

For Who? There are options but I'm not sure if they'll do it. Kinda steep.

Are you
Sure?

Are you
Consistent?

Just thinking of a
Way out?



GOT IT????

gary david for arwind or cabagnot or jwash?

[Phlegm Thrower]

gary david for arwind or cabagnot or jwash?

Gary David for Arwind Santos would be a better deal for both teams

[raichu08]

Snow said yesterday that it is not gary david

anyway, some updates from snow's twitter

Trade nego deepens:Underperforming team with 2011 pick now wants players fr Multisquad & another independent team. 3-team trade in d offing.

TRADE CLUE:

UNDERPERFORMING TEAMS wants STAR POWER FORWARD from Multi-Squad team, and Point Guard and Off Guard from third party.

In return they will give their much qought 2011 1st round pick (probably in the top 5) plus their two big men.

[raichu08]

someone from fb broke the riddle

‎(S)olving (M)any problems by making the team (B)etter is of utmost importance = SMB

(G)etting (A) (R)eal aggressive scorer (Y)et can improve the team's defense too = GARY david

For Who?
...
(A)re you (S)ure? = Arwind Santos

(A)re you (C)onsistent? = Alex Cabagnot

(J)ust thinking of a (W)ay out? Jay Washington

tingin nyo?? Pede na si Jwash sa powerade!!

[jesronne]

hmmm... as an smb fan i would trade alex cabagnot for Gary david but the problem is will powerade get an inconsistent player to their number 1 scorer??

arwind has little basketball IQ but he is a good rebounder and defender...

jay wash is the future of SMB...

[Cryotek]

hmmm... as an smb fan i would trade alex cabagnot for Gary david but the problem is will powerade get an inconsistent player to their number 1 scorer??

arwind has little basketball IQ but he is a good rebounder and defender...

jay wash is the future of SMB...

They'll get either Arwind or J-wash plus Cabagnot for David!!:rolleyes:

[splitzapper]

They'll get either Arwind or J-wash plus Cabagnot for David!!:rolleyes:


Arwind + J-Wash + Alex = Gary David + Number 1 or 2 Draft Pick

[silverwing]

Snow said yesterday that it is not gary david

anyway, some updates from snow's twitter

Trade nego deepens:Underperforming team with 2011 pick now wants players fr Multisquad & another independent team. 3-team trade in d offing.

TRADE CLUE:

UNDERPERFORMING TEAMS wants STAR POWER FORWARD from Multi-Squad team, and Point Guard and Off Guard from third party.

In return they will give their much qought 2011 1st round pick (probably in the top 5) plus their two big men.


They should include Ginebra in the traing block, they have to much guards time to add more tall players for ginebra and release some of their guards.

I guess San Miguel main issue is they became an all star team and lacks role players, puro pa Star players eh.lol

[raichu08]

Arwind + JWash + Cabagnot for Gary + 1st rd Pick + One of PT's over surplus of Role players (except Anthony) sounds fair to me. Since powerade is flooding with role players and SMB with pa star players.

Coincidentally, the tigers got gary by trading for cabagnot.

[kikomatsing]

They should include Ginebra in the traing block, they have to much guards time to add more tall players for ginebra and release some of their guards.

I guess San Miguel main issue is they became an all star team and lacks role players, puro pa Star players eh.lol


hay naku puro naman SMB pinapalakas nyo!.....
kawawa nman ang ibang team tulad ng BGK!..

trans: how about BGK?

[The_Big_Cat]

someone from fb broke the riddle

‎(S)olving (M)any problems by making the team (B)etter is of utmost importance = SMB

(G)etting (A) (R)eal aggressive scorer (Y)et can improve the team's defense too = GARY david

For Who?
...
(A)re you (S)ure? = Arwind Santos

(A)re you (C)onsistent? = Alex Cabagnot

(J)ust thinking of a (W)ay out? Jay Washington

tingin nyo?? Pede na si Jwash sa powerade!!

This doesn't make sense for me. Jay Washington has won two consecutive Best Player of the Conference trophies and is SMB's franchise player.

Obviously, the departure of shooting guard Dondon Hontiveros has been the gaping hole SMB's feeling right now. And Joseph Yeo is not that as consistent as a Hontiveros, who happens to be one of the PBA's best defensive guards as well.

[KevinDurant]

No patience for that team. They never learn. Teams like Alaska would be laughing at them...

[nardy]

hmmm... as an smb fan i would trade alex cabagnot for Gary david but the problem is will powerade get an inconsistent player to their number 1 scorer??

arwind has little basketball IQ but he is a good rebounder and defender...

jay wash is the future of SMB...

Without Cabagnot, who would run the plays of Petron? I dont think Denok Miranda can be an effective PBA starting point guard let alone the only point guard in the team.

[Silent Killer]

someone from fb broke the riddle

‎(S)olving (M)any problems by making the team (B)etter is of utmost importance = SMB

(G)etting (A) (R)eal aggressive scorer (Y)et can improve the team's defense too = GARY david

For Who?
...
(A)re you (S)ure? = Arwind Santos

(A)re you (C)onsistent? = Alex Cabagnot

(J)ust thinking of a (W)ay out? Jay Washington

tingin nyo?? Pede na si Jwash sa powerade!!

hmm.. gary david for arwind santos would be a better deal. this gives guevarra a playing time in the 3 slot. the 1st 5 would be

C Rabeh
PF J-Wash
SF Young
SG David
PG Cabagnot

[Silent Killer]

From Patricia Bermudez Hizon

Solving
Many problems by making the team
Better is of utmost importance.

so who do they want?

Getting
A
Real aggressive scorer
Yet can improve the team's defense too.

For Who? There are options but I'm not sure if they'll do it. Kinda steep.

Are you
Sure?

Are you
Consistent?

Just thinking of a
Way out?



GOT IT????

btw, i love patricia's hidden clues and giving pet names for involving players for this kind of trade rumors. :D

[nardy]

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Cone questions Williams ejection

Celest R. Flores
First Posted 03:28:11 27/03/2011

MANILA---Alaska head coach Tim Cone is convinced that the referees made a mistake in throwing import LD Williams out of the playing court Friday.

The Aces may have gone home with the heartstopping 104-101 win over the Meralco Bolts in overtime, but only before they went through fire sans their high-flying import.

"That basically changed the game," said Cone. "The fact that they threw him out, so shocking."

Williams, a product of Wake Forest University, now faces a one-game suspension following his ejection.

And with a conference so swift, this could prove crucial to Alaska's bid for the top two spots in the eliminations.

Alaska, toting a 4-2 slate, is currently in third place behind Talk N Text and Smart Gilas Pilipinas.

"It’s just unfair. The import has to do something drastically for them to be thrown out in my opinion," said Cone.

"He didn’t throw the ball, he didn’t accost anybody. That can’t even be a flagrant foul," he added.

In the 7:52 mark of the opening period, Williams was ejected from the game after hitting Mac Cardona's face with his elbow.

But according to Williams, he had no intention of clipping Cardona and was only protecting himself during that play.

"My contacts fell out. My head down, my eyes closed then I felt somebody grabbing the ball," said Williams. "Instinctively, I put my hands out."

"Hell, yeah I'm suprised I got thrown out," he added.

Without Williams, Meralco pounced on the undermanned Aces and the Bolts dominated the almost the entire second half.

"I was ready to concede right then and there. But my players were not," said Cone.

The Aces, led by one of the best guards in the league today in LA Tenorio, had no plans of throwing in the towel as they chased Meralco's 14-point cruise in the fourth quarter.


They even had a chance to finish it in regulation only to fall a free throw short as Cyrus Baguio missed the second freebie that could have won it outright. But there was no stopping Alaska in overtime, with Joe De Vance also putting in a heroic effort.


"It let me know that I don’t have to do everything, because that’s not the case for every import," said Williams of the dramatic victory.

Cone even wanted to put the game into protest, but "now that we won the game there's no need to protest it."

William's case will still be reviewed according to the PBA office.

[nardy]

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Salud cracks whip: Aces import Williams fined, suspended for a game

REY JOBLE, GMA News
03/28/2011 | 05:18 PM

Alaska Milk has survived a match missing the services of its reinforcement LD Williams for a large part of the game against Meralco last Friday.

This coming Friday, the Aces will need to do it one more time, with Williams not seeing action for the entire game.

Philippine Basketball Association commissioner Atty. Chito Salud cracked the whip on Williams, suspending the import for a game and fining him P20,000 for hitting Mac Cardona with a swinging elbow in the Aces’ come-from-behind 104-101 overtime victory over the Bolts.

“I don’t think it’s necessary for a player to swing an elbow during a play. But he has to face the consequences once he hit somebody. Whether it’s intentional or not, he hit somebody with an elbow, so that merits a penalty," said Salud.

The PBA will collect a total of P91,000 amount in fines from the Alaska-Meralco tussle, with the Aces’ multi-titled coach Tim Cone leading those who were penalized.

Cone, one of only four Grand Slam coaches and the winningest mentor among active coaches, has been meted a P21,000 penalty by Salud.

The longest-tenured bench tactician in the league was fined P1,000 for receiving a technical foul, then was assessed an additional P20,000 penalty for entering the court and confronting the officials.

“I am shocked that an import would be suspended in such a short conference. That could totally change the course of our campaign in this conference," said Cone.

The Aces are just a game behind co-leaders and sister teams Talk N Text and Smart Gilas, which carry identical 6-1 win-loss records. But Alaska will face a slumping Rain or Shine Elasto Painters seeking to snap a four-game skid.

And Cone and his embattled Aces will have to do it without Williams.

Cone’s assistant, Joel Banal, was also slapped a P10,000 penalty for accompanying the veteran coach in entering the court.

Bolts team manager Virgil Villavicencio was also penalized P20,000, the same amount slapped on Meralco guard Sol Mercado. Both were fined after they approached the technical staff.

"There's a league ruling which states that team members cannot approach the technical group during or after the game. They went to our technical team and pinagmumura yung mga referees," said PBA operations manager Rickie Santos. - KY, GMA News

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GINEBRA SOURCE: Tama lang na ibaba si JAYJAY. Ano ba sila. Papasok na Playoffs. Basketball ang laban hindi papogian. 27 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52585204577079296) via web

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Certain PBA COACH: Nag inquire kami kay HELTERBRAND. Ang mahal pala nun. Di bale na lang. Sayang pwede pa naman sana yun. PANGHATAK NG FANS 33 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52583682317352961) via web

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RT @NessieNorte (http://twitter.com/NessieNorte) Patay tayo dyan! Naintweet lang na pwede na kunin ng ibang team si Jayjay nahighblood na sandatahan niya. Hahahaha 35 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52583214128168960) via web

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Pano iyan Jayjay Helterbrand? RR ka na lang muna. REST AND RECREATION. ,-) about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52579876976345089) via web

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Guys, any team can pick up JAYJAY HELTERBRAND anytime. In fact he is healthy. He's not just in game condition. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52579431151173632) via web

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Guys, any team can pick up JAYJAY HELTERBRAND anytime. In fact he is healthy. He's not just in game condition. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52579431151173632) via web

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ROBERT LABAGALA is a hustle player/guard who has a decent perimeter shooting and can defend well. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52576537400193024) via web

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SOURCE: Hindi bibitaw si JAYJAY HELTERBRAND sa Ginebra kahit ligawan siya ng ibang team. Diyan na i-re-retire iyan eh. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52575888935632896) via web

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PBA OFFICE: Andito na application for ROBRT LABAGALA activation. Approved na. Jayjay Helterbrand ang ibaba sa unrestricted list. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52575484181098496) via web

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GINEBRA SOURCE: We have decided to activate our third rookie ROBERT LABAGALA for JAYJAY HELTERBRAND. He will play tomorrow. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52574170999037953) via web

[nardy]

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ONE PLAYER: Malaki nga sweldo. Di ko naman alam ang salitang bonus dahil di namin nakukuha. Gusto ko rin matikman ang manalo. Wala dito yun about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52573316250222593) via web

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ONE PLAYER: Pare, Kakausapin ko na talaga si COACH. Wala na kong gana. Kung ayaw mag-e-early retirement na lang ako. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52572040099663872) via web

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CLUE sa ONE PLAYER. Siya lang player ng team niya haha about 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52570666167304192) via web

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One Player: Pare, isulat mo lang ako ng isulat. Para mapilitang bitawan na ako. SNOW: Banggitin ko na pangalan mo? ,-) (Wala pang reply) about 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52569723954671616) via web

[nardy]

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SINCE GINEBRA FANS are hostile of me... OK. NO MORE GINEBRA UPDATES IN THIS ACCOUNT. ,-) 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52597484295421953) via web

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SINCE GINEBRA FANS are hostile to me... OK. NO MORE GINEBRA UPDATES IN THIS ACCOUNT. ,-) TIGNAN NATIN. MAGHALUNGKAT KAYO NG BALITA. 9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52598079827886080) via web

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@snowbadua (http://twitter.com/snowbadua) Ginebra fans are very impatient. They want to see Jayjay play and they have a right to feel concerned when he is not there 9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/james_ty/status/52597979781152768) via web in reply to snowbadua (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52597484295421953)


I also feel for Snow .... why hate him when he was just the messenger. It was the decision of San Miguel management so you better place your anger on the right entity/person. But honestly, since Jayjay is injured and is not ready to play, then why not give your rookie a chance to play. People forget that Helterbrand also gotten his break when fan-favorite Bal David was injured and Ginebra gambled on him.

[nardy]

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ALASKA practices at the moment with their import LD WILLIAMS. NOTE: WILLIAMS is suspended in their next game. less than a minute ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52600111754256384) via web

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ALASKA's Athletic Trainer: Theoretically, JDV will have to bear the brunt of LD WILLIAMS' lost. Kahapon nga binugbog ko na sya sa rehab. half a minute ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52603056931610624) via web

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GUS VARGAS: Marami pa sa team ang hindi nakaka-alam na suspended si LD. Mamaya pa i-a-announce ni COACH TIM. Kahapon nga napag-usapan na rin 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52603973093425152) via web

[nardy]

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Air21 import Bangura cleared to play on Wednesday

03/28/2011 | 06:16 PM

A letter from International Basketball Federation (FIBA) signed by secretary general Patrick Baumann has cleared Air21 import Alpha Bangura to play for the Express’ in its game against the Meralco Bolts on Wednesday at the Araneta Coliseum.

PBA commissioner Atty. Chito Salud confirmed this development to GMA News on Monday.

“I was told by our technical staff that a letter from FIBA has already reached our office," said Salud in a telephone interview.

Bangura was given 15 days by the PBA to get a clearance either from the Lebanese Basketball League or the FIBA to continuously play in Asia’s first professional cage league.

A source from the Express camp said it was Baumann who signed the FIBA letter clearing the former Libyan national team member to play in the Express' next assignment.

“The 15-day grace period already lapsed last Thursday, but since we don’t have a game yet, we need to comply with the ruling a day before our next game. He (Bangura) wasn’t able to secure clearance from Lebanon, so the next best alternative was to get it from FIBA. We were able to obtain one signed by secretary general Patrick Baumann," said the source, who requested anonymity.

The Express are coming off a morale-boosting 94-92 win over the Rain or Shine Elasto Painters on March 20. It gave newly-acquired players Danny Seigle, Dondon Hontiveros, Paul Artadi and Dorian Peña, who were acquired in a blockbuster seven-player trade, their first victory as members of the Air21 squad. - KY, Rey Joble, GMA News

[shootingbwakaw]

hmm.. gary david for arwind santos would be a better deal. this gives guevarra a playing time in the 3 slot. the 1st 5 would be



you mad??? trade away Arwind Santos, the most "intelligent" PBA player to date? Why in 5 years time he would be mentally ready for college ball ... why not just wait. Clearly visible in the game vs. Purefoods, better put Kirby & Arwind in the same team & let them shoot their 10 3 pt attempts per game. That'd be a sure win no doubt, (for the opposing team)

[Cryotek]

you mad??? trade away Arwind Santos, the most "intelligent" PBA player to date? Why in 5 years time he would be mentally ready for college ball ... why not just wait. Clearly visible in the game vs. Purefoods, better put Kirby & Arwind in the same team & let them shoot their 10 3 pt attempts per game. That'd be a sure win no doubt, (for the opposing team)

How about KG Cañaleta?:p

[Buenafine]

BARAKO SALE 6-4

NO - SMCx3 + A21 =))

Kasama pala sa trade yung vote. :cool:

[Cryotek]

PBA Board votes 6-4 in favor of Barako Sale. But Phoenix needed 7 votes or 2/3's of the population.:eek:

[ariel_muhlach]

PBA Board votes 6-4 in favor of Barako Sale. But Phoenix needed 7 votes or 2/3's of the population.:eek:

Still means no Phoenix Petroleum ..... poor Barako Bull talu :(

[nardy]

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Import-swapping for next conf between sister tms still under study by PBA Comm Ofc. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/52637755171274752) via web

[KevinDurant]

Import-swapping for next conf between sister tms still under study by PBA Comm Ofc

I hope they won't approve this..This is unfair for the small market teams.

[Cryotek]

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Import-swapping for next conf between sister tms still under study by PBA Comm Ofc. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/52637755171274752) via web

Obviously, this request came from either SMC and MVP teams...

[EaglesEye]

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Import-swapping for next conf between sister tms still under study by PBA Comm Ofc. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/52637755171274752) via web

Is there already an existing guidelines about import swapping involving sister teams? Coz I only know player (local) trade on which they need a conduit. The only time I remember an import swap was in 1999, but the teams involved were San Miguel and TNT. San Miguel's 6-4 import Larry Robinsons was shipped to TNT for the hulking Terquin Tuva Mott. In effect Mott played for the Beermen in 1999 Commissioner's Cup while Robinsons reinforced the Phone Pals in the Governor's Cup of the same season.

OFF TOPIC: Just want to know if the PBA forums is still functioning. It's been so long that I was not able to access there.

[nardy]

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NO PHOENIX, NO BULL. My story on Yahoo News! http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-score/no-phoenix-no-bull-20110329-011113-808.html less than a minute ago (http://twitter.com/patriciahizon/status/52662323596365824) via web

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PBA MEDIA BUREAU CHIEF: May rule kasi ang PBA na hindi pwedeng bumalik ang import within the same season. Let's leave it to the board 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52661539378962432) via web

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PBA GOVERNOR's Cup Will open shops on the first week of JUNE. No Exact date yet. Keep you posted. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52662770025496576) via web

[nardy]

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If Barako Bull won't participate in the GOVERNOR's CUP. Only Powerade Tigers will have a 6'6" Import. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52663001253285888) via web

[nardy]

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SOURCE: BARAKO has 2 more prospective buyers. 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52664301458173952) via web

[nardy]

Our country is now really becoming a battle field between the group of Manny Pangilinan and the Group of Ramon Ang .....

it seems there's no more room for small business .... these two Groups are like PacMen eating up the competition.

Just now ..... PLDT/SMART just bought 52% of DIGITEL/SUN

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/216421/

[Jay P. Mercado]

Is there already an existing guidelines about import swapping involving sister teams? Coz I only know player (local) trade on which they need a conduit. The only time I remember an import swap was in 1999, but the teams involved were San Miguel and TNT. San Miguel's 6-4 import Larry Robinsons was shipped to TNT for the hulking Terquin Tuva Mott. In effect Mott played for the Beermen in 1999 Commissioner's Cup while Robinsons reinforced the Phone Pals in the Governor's Cup of the same season.

OFF TOPIC: Just want to know if the PBA forums is still functioning. It's been so long that I was not able to access there.

EE,

No, there's no existing provision in the PBA Constitution pertaining to the trading of imports. The only clear rule is that a team has the right of first refusal over an import that has played for them for one entire season. That means that no other team can get the services of the said import without written consent from the other team where he came from. This right, though, ceases when one complete season is over.

This rule became effective only in the 90's. Before this, it was common to see imports play for different teams at any given time. In 1977, when Crispa had to let go of a lemon import in Ricky Hicks after the 2nd Conference (which they won courtesy of other import Cyrus Mann), they hired 7/UP import Cris MacMurray to team up with Mann. MacMurray's team, 7/UP, didn't qualify in the 3rd Conference, hence, Crispa signed him up to save on air fare costs. In 1979, Crispa also took in Bernard Harris of Tanduay as their reinforcement in the 3rd Conference when the Distillers didn't qualify in the Invitationals. Harris replaced the headcase Mann to team up with Irv Chatmann. Byron "Snake" Jones played for Toyota in 1975 and 1976 but moved to U/Tex in 1977. In 1980, Jones played for Honda in the 1st Conference but moved to Crispa in the 2nd to replace the ineffective Larry Boston.

It was in the late 80's or early 90's when the rule took into place but it didn't stop certain teams from getting imports that previously played for other teams. Reinforcements like Sylvester Gray (Anejo to Alaska), Derrick Hamilton (Pepsi to Alaska), Winston Crite (Presto to Alaska), Randy Holcomb (TNT to Alaska), Rosell Ellis (Coke to Ginebra to Alaska), Tee McClary (Mobiline to Coke to Alaska), Derrick Brown (Purefoods to Sta. Lucia), Dexter Shouse (Purefoods to Shell) among others, suited up for different teams but only after waiting for the one season rule to elapse.

I'm definitely against this policy of sister teams being allowed to trade imports and circumvent the existing right of first refusal rule. This would only benefit the MVP and RSA teams and would go against the essence of fair play and balance. If they want to change the rule, then make it applicable for everyone concerned by completely removing the right of first refusal rule. Rules are made to ensure that everyone has a stake at it, and not benefit only a few.

[EaglesEye]

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PBA MEDIA BUREAU CHIEF: May rule kasi ang PBA na hindi pwedeng bumalik ang import within the same season. Let's leave it to the board 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/snowbadua/status/52661539378962432) via web

Really? They mean imports are not allowed to suit up again even with the same team within the same season? I don't think so! Here's why:

In 1991, Sean Chambers reinforced the Alaska Airforce in both the Open and Reinforced Conferences.

Same also in 1996, Sean Chambers replaced the drug positive Derek Hamilton in the Commissioner's Cup. Chambers continued to suit up for the Milkmen in the Governor's Cup.

In 1998, Lamont Strothers came in to replace the ineffective Jeff Ward in the Commissioner's Cup. He then went on to play again for the Beermen in the Centennial's and Governor's Cups.

Not to mention almost all imports who suited up in the 1998 Centennial Cup who returned to reinforced again the same teams in the Governor's Cup.

In 1999, Kwan Johnson played for Sta. Lucia Realtors in both import flavored conferences.


In 2002, Purefoods Willie White, Coke's Ron Hale and TNT's Jerald Honeycutt all played in both Governor's and Commissioner's Cups in the same season.

[capitantiago]

Really? They mean imports are not allowed to suit up again even with the same team within the same season? I don't think so! Here's why:

In 1991, Sean Chambers reinforced the Alaska Airforce in both the Open and Reinforced Conferences.

Same also in 1996, Sean Chambers replaced the drug positive Derek Hamilton in the Commissioner's Cup. Chambers continued to suit up for the Milkmen in the Governor's Cup.

In 1998, Lamont Strothers reinforced San Miguel in the Commissioner's Cup after he replaced the ineffective Jeff Ward. He then went on to play again for the Beermen in the Centennial's and Governor's Cups.

Not to mention almost all imports who suited up in the 1998 Centennial Cup who returned to reinforced again the same teams in the Governor's Cup.

In 1999, Kwan Johnson played for Sta. Lucia Realtors in both import flavored conferences.


In 2002, Purefoods Willie White, Coke's Ron Hale and TNT's Jerald Honeycutt all played in both Governor's and Commissioner's Cups in the same season.

hahaha don't take it so negatively.
it's because it was tweeted so it wasn't explained further.