PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. II)

[Jay P. Mercado]

Our country is now really becoming a battle field between the group of Manny Pangilinan and the Group of Ramon Ang .....

it seems there's no more room for small business .... these two Groups are like PacMen eating up the competition.

Just now ..... PLDT/SMART just bought 52% of DIGITEL/SUN

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/216421/

Yes, I was discussing this business deal a couple of hours ago with an office mate. Just goes to show how mammoth the PLDT Group is and its desire to practically run the telco business like a monopoly. They have the technology, infrastructure and network to ensure better service for SUN subscribers so it may also turn out to be a good deal for the consumers...unless they start giving out exorbitant rates.

But with this development, would this be preparatory for SUN Telecoms or Digitel to join the PBA next season? Would TNT be re-branded as SUN or would another MVP team become the 10th member of the league and name it as SUN while TNT becomes PLDT? This is a huge deal, especially considering the stock market had to stop transactions for the publicly-issued DIGITEL on account of this ongoing arrangement.

I'm both surprised and not surprised with this development. Surprised since I never expected the Gokongwei group to give up the majority of DIGITEL to the PLDT Group, especially considering they're now the #1 cellular network among postpaid subscribers. Not surprised since we all know how PLDT works in business. Add to the fact that the RSA Group itself has already joined the telco business through QTel, in a tieup with a Qatar-based organization. In principle, MVP and RSA remain competitors in the telco business although MVP has ensured that after the purchase of DIGITEL, they would practically own more than 70% of the market pie, with Globe lagging behind.

[nardy]

Really? They mean imports are not allowed to suit up again even with the same team within the same season? I don't think so! Here's why:

In 1991, Sean Chambers reinforced the Alaska Airforce in both the Open and Reinforced Conferences.

Same also in 1996, Sean Chambers replaced the drug positive Derek Hamilton in the Commissioner's Cup. Chambers continued to suit up for the Milkmen in the Governor's Cup.

In 1998, Lamont Strothers came in to replace the ineffective Jeff Ward in the Commissioner's Cup. He then went on to play again for the Beermen in the Centennial's and Governor's Cups.

Not to mention almost all imports who suited up in the 1998 Centennial Cup who returned to reinforced again the same teams in the Governor's Cup.

In 1999, Kwan Johnson played for Sta. Lucia Realtors in both import flavored conferences.


In 2002, Purefoods Willie White, Coke's Ron Hale and TNT's Jerald Honeycutt all played in both Governor's and Commissioner's Cups in the same season.


the PBA again is changing rules for the benefit of some groups :(

[nardy]

Yes, I was discussing this business deal a couple of hours ago with an office mate. Just goes to show how mammoth the PLDT Group is and its desire to practically run the telco business like a monopoly. They have the technology, infrastructure and network to ensure better service for SUN subscribers so it may also turn out to be a good deal for the consumers...unless they start giving out exorbitant rates.

But with this development, would this be preparatory for SUN Telecoms or Digitel to join the PBA next season? Would TNT be re-branded as SUN or would another MVP team become the 10th member of the league and name it as SUN while TNT becomes PLDT? This is a huge deal, especially considering the stock market had to stop transactions for the publicly-issued DIGITEL on account of this ongoing arrangement.

I'm both surprised and not surprised with this development. Surprised since I never expected the Gokongwei group to give up the majority of DIGITEL to the PLDT Group, especially considering they're now the #1 cellular network among postpaid subscribers. Not surprised since we all know how PLDT works in business. Add to the fact that the RSA Group itself has already joined the telco business through QTel, in a tieup with a Qatar-based organization. In principle, MVP and RSA remain competitors in the telco business although MVP has ensured that after the purchase of DIGITEL, they would practically own more than 70% of the market pie, with Globe lagging behind.

I think the Gokongwei Group is consolidating its resources in order to concentrate on certain other businesses, I feel they'll concentrate more on the operations of Cebu Pacific Air as the coming strike of PAL would be huge and it is an opportunity that could catapault Cebu Pacific into our #1 Airline.

[Jay P. Mercado]

I think the Gokongwei Group is consolidating its resources in order to concentrate on certain other businesses, I feel they'll concentrate more on the operations of Cebu Pacific Air as the coming strike of PAL would be huge and it is an opportunity that could catapault Cebu Pacific into our #1 Airline.

It is already the #1 airline in the country today, Nardy. But yes, you're correct. Gokongwei's other businesses include real estate (Robinson's Land), hotels (Crowne Plaza, Galleria Suites), malls (Robinson's Malls), publishing (Media Summit), food and beverage (Universal Robina), banking (Robinson's Bank), petrochemical (JG Summit Petrochemicals), among many others. What's surprising though is they've done well with SUN Cellular and Digitel over the past couple of years. Perhaps, the cost of expansion just to keep in step with PLDT has put the lid on them and decided it would be to their best interest to simply sell it off to a group more capable of running it.

[nardy]

I was surprised with this development on import swapping among sister companies.

As it came after Alaska made a generous offer:

Alaska Aces to release import if asked (http://www.snowbadua.com/2011/02/alaska-aces-to-release-import-if-asked.html)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XhrRZ1D_S88/TGFB5uog5DI/AAAAAAAAW8I/vyY4noLFOoA/s400/L7.gif

source: Joaquin Henson | philstar.com (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=655083&publicationSubCategoryId=69)

Alaska coach Tim Cone said the other day the Aces are prepared to release Diamon Simpson if asked by the last two seeded teams allowed to sign up an import with a 6-6 limit in the PBA third conference or the Governors Cup this season.

Simpson powered Alaska to the Fiesta Conference crown last year. The import limit was then 6-6. Cone would’ve preferred to bring back Simpson for the Governors Cup but it doesn’t look the Aces will be given the privilege of hiring a 6-6 import.

Under PBA rules for the Governors Cup, the No. 9 and No. 10 teams will be permitted to recruit a 6-6 import. Teams ranked No. 1 to No. 4 will be restricted to a 6-2 import and teams seeded No. 5 to No. 8, a 6-4 import. The rankings will be based on each team’s performance in the Philippine and Commissioners Cups with the first conference allotted a weight of 60 percent and the second conference, 40 percent. Alaska finished sixth in the just-concluded Philippine Cup.

For the Commissioners Cup starting Feb. 18, Cone initially brought in former Chicago Bulls guard Eddie Basden but sent him back to the US after he was measured 1/4 inch over the 6-4 height limit by the PBA. Basden would’ve been a perfect import for Alaska and two weeks ago, led the Aces to an unbeaten 3-0 record in a mini-tournament in Cebu over Powerade, Meralco and M. Lhuillier.

“We signed up Eddie as far back as November,” said Cone. “We didn’t think he would measure over the limit. We should’ve asked Sean (Chambers) to look him over and measure him like he did with Diamon. About a week ago, when we thought there was a chance Eddie wouldn’t make the limit, we began looking for a backup just in case. It’s difficult not to have a backup. If your original import doesn’t work out and you don’t have a backup, you’re left to choose from guys who are floating around and those are the guys you probably don’t want in the first place.”

Cone said in the 2005-06 Fiesta Conference, the Aces also had to send back import Victor Thomas who measured over the 6-6 limit. It was three days before the conference started and Cone settled for 6-2 3/8 Artemus McClary. The Aces got off to a 1-2 start, lost five in a row and called in Odell Bradley to play the team’s last eight games. Alaska was never in serious contention and bowed to Red Bull in a sweep of the best-of-five quarterfinals.

Basden left Manila yesterday. His replacement L. D. Williams of Wake Forest University was scheduled to plane in last night.

Williams, 22, is fresh out of the NBA D-League where he averaged 10.8 points, 3.7 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 32.2 minutes with the Springfield Armor. His high game was 21 points against Erie Bay. At Wake Forest, Williams averaged 8.5 points in four years. More known for his defense than his point-making, Williams was described by writer Brett Friedlander as “the ultimate glue guy.” Friedlander added.

If they allow this, then it could mean Nate Brumfield now of Ginebra could be easily tapped by the Petron Blaze next conference as Ginebra is more likely to end-up handicapped to getting a 6'2 import. Or to even B-Meg if the team goes lower than its current 5th place this conference.

I do not see this rule change would have that much effect on MVP's teams as actually MERALCO's Oguchi is a good import and not much difference from TNT's Harris.

[nardy]

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So Air21 board rep Johann Ramos confirmed he already resigned last week and d team was represented by Manny Alvarez in d board meet 6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/ReyJoble/status/52681567197339648) via web

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Methinks BGK must beat Gilas 2moro & win by at least 4 pts over TNT to get an outright semis berth. 16 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/52679032503930881) via web

[capitantiago]

It is already the #1 airline in the country today, Nardy. But yes, you're correct. Gokongwei's other businesses include real estate (Robinson's Land), hotels (Crowne Plaza, Galleria Suites), malls (Robinson's Malls), publishing (Media Summit), food and beverage (Universal Robina), banking (Robinson's Bank), petrochemical (JG Summit Petrochemicals), among many others. What's surprising though is they've done well with SUN Cellular and Digitel over the past couple of years. Perhaps, the cost of expansion just to keep in step with PLDT has put the lid on them and decided it would be to their best interest to simply sell it off to a group more capable of running it.

actually what is at stake is who will have the control of Philippines, Inc.

both camps, SMC/RSA and First Pacific/MVP, are in collisions in many businesses: telco, tollway, water, power distribution/generation, energy, railway. and these are high growth industries.

[marjan]

[QUOTE=nardy;565892]http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/758029218/coachrey_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/ReyJoble) ReyJoble (http://twitter.com/ReyJoble)
So Air21 board rep Johann Ramos confirmed he already resigned last week and d team was represented by Manny Alvarez in d board meet 6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/ReyJoble/status/52681567197339648) via web

That's the best thing he can do although it left no option for the league but to face once more another Alvarez in the board which can make a mess again of league rules! In fact, I would have preferred if this whole Air21 team will just leave the league and just let another company take over their franchise. Probably, this new company will be able to handle the team better and not just treat their players as merchandise for sale. But of course, as long as it is not an SMC or MVP team who will take over.

[nardy]

Yes, I was discussing this business deal a couple of hours ago with an office mate. Just goes to show how mammoth the PLDT Group is and its desire to practically run the telco business like a monopoly. They have the technology, infrastructure and network to ensure better service for SUN subscribers so it may also turn out to be a good deal for the consumers...unless they start giving out exorbitant rates.

But with this development, would this be preparatory for SUN Telecoms or Digitel to join the PBA next season? Would TNT be re-branded as SUN or would another MVP team become the 10th member of the league and name it as SUN while TNT becomes PLDT? This is a huge deal, especially considering the stock market had to stop transactions for the publicly-issued DIGITEL on account of this ongoing arrangement.

I'm both surprised and not surprised with this development. Surprised since I never expected the Gokongwei group to give up the majority of DIGITEL to the PLDT Group, especially considering they're now the #1 cellular network among postpaid subscribers. Not surprised since we all know how PLDT works in business. Add to the fact that the RSA Group itself has already joined the telco business through QTel, in a tieup with a Qatar-based organization. In principle, MVP and RSA remain competitors in the telco business although MVP has ensured that after the purchase of DIGITEL, they would practically own more than 70% of the market pie, with Globe lagging behind.


I think the Gokongweis opted to sell the majority shares of Digitel while its value is high. The investment in new technology is quite expensive and the entry of the PLDT Group would give Digitel the added financial arm whenever an upgrade in hardware would finally be needed. Anyway the Gokongwei group are is part owners of Digitel/Sun and they would still benefit in a MVP controlled Digitel/Sun company. As a smaller and newer company SUN was able to make a big dent in the market share in the cellular business which has SMART and GLOBE as its leaders. So rather than being a far third in an industry which needs expensive new technology to get ahead, it would be more wise to be part of one of the industry giants than continue on fighting an uphill battle against them.

[nardy]

Talk ‘N Text’s Jared Dillinger will have surgery on his torn bicep and miss the rest of the conference. The timetable for his recovery is two months. Also, Barangay Ginebra’s Jayjay Helterbrand will also no longer play this conference to rest his hamstring injury. He will return to action next conference, with rookie Rob Labagala taking his spot in the team for the rest of the Commissioner’s Cup.

[webuyube]

PBA is purely advertising, 100% business:o

[Buenafine]

It really is. That's the purpose of the PBA for big companies, serves as a marketing arm. I personally am friends with the kids of RSA and they say that the PBA is in the least of their minds. :p

[Pugad-Pagod]

It really is. That's the purpose of the PBA for big companies, serves as a marketing arm. I personally am friends with the kids of RSA and they say that the PBA is in the least of their minds. :p

I wouldn't doubt that. The head honchos of these companies probably spend 99.99% of their waking hours trying to conjure up ways to rake in more profits and expand their business activities.

[Cryotek]

SOURCE: MERALCO eyeing one player who is a born scorer. -snowbadua

[DS_42]

SOURCE: MERALCO eyeing one player who is a born scorer. -snowbadua


James Yap???

[dxjayrock2008]

SOURCE: MERALCO eyeing one player who is a born scorer. -snowbadua



Well, who's it gonna be?

[kaiziken_pinas]

I believe it's Yap. Other than that it would be David.

Cardona + Espinas/Omolon = Yap

is it a fair deal?

[Cryotek]

I believe it's Yap. Other than that it would be David.

Cardona + Espinas/Omolon = Yap

is it a fair deal?

or might be PJ Simon!

[capitantiago]

I believe it's Yap. Other than that it would be David.

Cardona + Espinas/Omolon = Yap

is it a fair deal?

no, it is not. a franchise player for role players? how can you say that it is a fair deal? hahaha

[Buenafine]

I doubt BMEG will let James Yap go. PJ Simon most probably!

[kaiziken_pinas]

no, it is not. a franchise player for role players? how can you say that it is a fair deal? hahaha

I wasn't saying that it's a fair deal. I was asking:D.
There's a great deal of difference between a sentence with a dot or a question mark in the end.:)

Well then... Meralco has to add another variable to the equation if the existing figures do not add up.

But why would they want another scorer? They have Cardona, Mercado, Isip and Omolon who can share the scoring load. >_<

[saints13]

SOURCE: MERALCO eyeing one player who is a born scorer. -snowbadua

ironic. seems like Meralco will spoil the broth by bringing in another scorer. :) I do feel that what they need is a "better" point guard than Chris Ross.

[ariel_muhlach]

James Yap???

Ryan Gregorio has never been shy in saying he wants to get his arms around James again.

:eek: ngek it does not sound right. hehehe ;)

[saints13]

Ryan Gregorio has never been shy in saying he wants to get his arms around James again.

:eek: ngek it does not sound right. hehehe ;)

Meralco has Ritualo, Cardona, Mercado, Marlou:D <--- kulang pa ba yan, kailangan pa ng James Yap? :)


translation:
Marlou is the odd man out

[nardy]

I wasn't saying that it's a fair deal. I was asking:D.
There's a great deal of difference between a sentence with a dot and question mark in the end.:)

Well then... Meralco has to add another variable to the equation if the existing figures do not add up.

But why would they want another scorer? They have Cardona, Mercado, Isip and Omolon who can share the scoring load. >_<


we have to get used to this ..... here in the PBA the word 'fair' does not exist its to each his own interest which is paramount.

To an ordinary basketball fan ..... it would be a unfair trade but to the teams it might be fair to them as there are trades which involves something outside the players, it could be money or even business.

In the case of the one-sided deals of Air21, it really needs more the money as capital infusion rather than the players. So we cannot discount that part of the SMB-Air21 trade deal was Air21 would side with the San Miguel Group during PBA Board voting just like what happened to the blocking of Phoenix Petroleum entry in the PBA.

I remember there was talk that when Rain or Shine allowed Assistant Coach Alex Compton to go to Powerade, part of the deal is that the Coca-cola Plants who were then undergoing renovation would be using either Welcoat or Rain Or Shine Paints.

We have to remember to these PBA teams .... the PBA is not only about basketball, it is part of their business.

Its unlike in the past wherein the coach is part of the decision makers in terms of player trades .... nowadays the coach at times is the last to know. So some trades are actually more for business than its about basketball.

[ariel_muhlach]

I doubt BMEG will let James Yap go. PJ Simon most probably!

If San Miguel is capable of trading Danny Siegle and Dondon Hontiveros what would stop the same decision makers in trading James Yap.

[nardy]

If San Miguel is capable of trading Danny Siegle and Dondon Hontiveros what would stop the same decision makers in trading James Yap.

I also have to add that James is very vocal to management on his desire in joining the National Team which San Miguel is not actually keen on approving.

[ejbl]

no, it is not. a franchise player for role players? how can you say that it is a fair deal? hahaha

Since when is mac cardona a role player?? oh wait.. ur a bmeg fan that's why :p

[SupaRuki]

I think the Gokongwei Group is consolidating its resources in order to concentrate on certain other businesses, I feel they'll concentrate more on the operations of Cebu Pacific Air as the coming strike of PAL would be huge and it is an opportunity that could catapault Cebu Pacific into our #1 Airline.

It was a win-win situation for both camps. Digitel and its predatory/bucket pricing have severely handicapped their own profits long term (for the sole purpose of improving their installed subs base), meanwhile Smart/PLDT's revenue growth have been muted for the past few years because of this compounded by the continual surge in capex. Gokongwei have long had an interest to acquire PLDT shares and the swap would indicate minority stake ownership for their group, while Smart addresses its revenue plateau dilemma by diminishing capex through the eventual merger of network facilities.

Imo it will only be a matter of time when PLDT controls the country, Smart has only been in existence for over a decade and look how influential it has become. Through the years Globe couldnt even come close. The highly robust telecoms goldmine combined with the Smart culture of corporate relentlessness will inevitably make that happen- ensuring the continued renaissance of Philippine sports.

[The_Big_Cat]

SOURCE: MERALCO eyeing one player who is a born scorer. -snowbadua


My wild guess is James Yap for Mac Cardona.

Off course if that happens, capitantiago's team will be badly depleted. Bwahahaha! :D

[momax]

Meralco has Ritualo, Cardona, Mercado, Marlou:D <--- kulang pa ba yan, kailangan pa ng James Yap? :)


translation:
Marlou is the odd man out

Not for meralco but for Smart Gilas I guess.

[thayil]

Yes, I was discussing this business deal a couple of hours ago with an office mate. Just goes to show how mammoth the PLDT Group is and its desire to practically run the telco business like a monopoly. They have the technology, infrastructure and network to ensure better service for SUN subscribers so it may also turn out to be a good deal for the consumers...unless they start giving out exorbitant rates.

But with this development, would this be preparatory for SUN Telecoms or Digitel to join the PBA next season? Would TNT be re-branded as SUN or would another MVP team become the 10th member of the league and name it as SUN while TNT becomes PLDT? This is a huge deal, especially considering the stock market had to stop transactions for the publicly-issued DIGITEL on account of this ongoing arrangement.

I'm both surprised and not surprised with this development. Surprised since I never expected the Gokongwei group to give up the majority of DIGITEL to the PLDT Group, especially considering they're now the #1 cellular network among postpaid subscribers. Not surprised since we all know how PLDT works in business. Add to the fact that the RSA Group itself has already joined the telco business through QTel, in a tieup with a Qatar-based organization. In principle, MVP and RSA remain competitors in the telco business although MVP has ensured that after the purchase of DIGITEL, they would practically own more than 70% of the market pie, with Globe lagging behind.

hehe actually it was a big news for us also.. from subsidiaries

To : All Employees

From : Manny V. Pangilinan

Napoleon L. Nazareno

Date : 29 March 2011

Re : Investment in Digitel

Earlier today, the PLDT Board of Directors approved the acquisition of JG Summit's entire holdings in Digitel. Please see the attached press release for more details.

We realize you may have a number of questions and concerns and we assure you we will answer these in due course.

SIGNED

M V Pangilinan
N L Nazareno

[nardy]

hehe actually it was a big news for us also.. from subsidiaries

To : All Employees

From : Manny V. Pangilinan

Napoleon L. Nazareno

Date : 29 March 2011

Re : Investment in Digitel

Earlier today, the PLDT Board of Directors approved the acquisition of JG Summit's entire holdings in Digitel. Please see the attached press release for more details.

We realize you may have a number of questions and concerns and we assure you we will answer these in due course.

SIGNED

M V Pangilinan
N L Nazareno



Hope there's a good package for the Digitel/Sun employees ......

I do know the anxiety. I've been in there .... It's just bad timing as there is not much jobs in the market.

In acquisition and mergers .... it is the product, brand or name that the buying company usually wants seldom is it they do it in order to get the employees as they have their own workforce.

But usually its the top officials and oldtimers who gets hit.

[thayil]

Hope there's a good package for the Digitel/Sun employees ......

I do know the anxiety. I've been in there .... It's just bad timing as there is not much jobs in the market.

In acquisition and mergers .... it is the product, brand or name that the buying company usually wants seldom is it they do it in order to get the employees as they have their own workforce.

But usually its the top officials and oldtimers who gets hit.

usually HR Department are the victims of this mergers.

They force the Oldtimers to retire with good compensations just what like they did to our CEO recently but MVP is all business.. in the future might buy a city.. hehe

[ariel_muhlach]

usually HR Department are the victims of this mergers.

They force the Oldtimers to retire with good compensations just what like they did to our CEO recently but MVP is all business.. in the future might buy a city.. hehe

nah he does not need to buy a city nor even a country

If you know your economics that well and a bit of political science .... you'll know for a Person or a even a Group can actually control a country's economy if one is in control of certain key industries.

That's what this war between Ramon Ang and Manny Pangilinan is all about .... it's about Power. They have bigger power than the Political Leaders if they could wrest control of the key industries that feeds the economy of the country. Both MVP and RSA are actually in the threshold already and are just a few industries away from getting absolute control.

[capitantiago]

My wild guess is James Yap for Mac Cardona.

Off course if that happens, capitantiago's team will be badly depleted. Bwahahaha! :D

nope! we will elevate Gerald Anderson from the D-League! lol

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

Ryan Gregorio has never been shy in saying he wants to get his arms around James again.

:eek: ngek it does not sound right. hehehe ;)

haha! beware ryan gregorio! sharky might call you a "gay" for this. :D

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

I also have to add that James is very vocal to management on his desire in joining the National Team which San Miguel is not actually keen on approving.

i really don't like this. what do teams like alaska and smb/petron want to happen? deny the national team of worthy players? damn. on the other hand, this makes me admire the MVP more. he even entered to trades just to get quality players for the NT like taulava from powerade, kelly from sta. lucia, and mercado from RoS. i hope he gets yap from bmeg and washington from smb. but then again, yap and washington are smb players. tsk. tsk.

[ariel_muhlach]

i really don't like this. what do teams like alaska and smb/petron want to happen? deny the national team of worthy players? damn. on the other hand, this makes me admire the MVP more. he even entered to trades just to get quality players for the NT like taulava from powerade, kelly from sta. lucia, and mercado from RoS. i hope he gets yap from bmeg and washington from smb. but then again, yap and washington are smb players. tsk. tsk.

Alaska and San Miguel could always say they are in the PBA because of business and not for Charity.

Its not about Patriotism but about Earnings.

You can't blame them .... why would they pay millions of pesos for a player who is playing for a different team and if and when he gets injured, sagot nila pa rin.

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

Alaska and San Miguel could always say they are in the PBA because of business and not for Charity.

Its not about Patriotism but about Earnings.

You can't blame them .... why would they pay millions of pesos for a player who is playing for a different team and if and when he gets injured, sagot nila pa rin.

yup, an ugly, inconvenient truth indeed. but this businessmen must realize that it is the filipinos, first and foremost, who patronize their products and their teams in the PBA. in short, they have no money without the filipinos. and for them to return these big business favors to the filipinos is to support the national cause of the country. simula ngayon gatas ng kalabaw at tuba na lang ang iinumin ko!

(trans: i'll buy more alaska milk and san miguel beers after this post)

[ariel_muhlach]

yup, an ugly, inconvenient truth indeed. but this businessmen must realize that it is the filipinos, first and foremost, who patronize their products and their teams in the PBA. in short, they have no money without the filipinos. and for them to return these big business favors to the filipinos is to support the national cause of the country. simula ngayon gatas ng kalabaw at tuba na lang ang iinumin ko!

(trans: i'll buy more alaska milk and san miguel beers after this post)


but times has changed .... the passion of Filipinos for basketball is not what it used to be.

It is now rare to get a standing-room crowd in Araneta like what is shown before and what was the norm in the past.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/195823_10150191890931125_658571124_8767116_1520249 _n.jpg

As previously discussed there is no longer that close corelation between a team's popularity with the increase or decrease in market share. Whatever the performance of a PBA Team does not affect the appetite of the consumers in buying or not buying the product that's being endorsed.

[Cryotek]

If San Miguel is capable of trading Danny Siegle and Dondon Hontiveros what would stop the same decision makers in trading James Yap.

But not to a competing teams like MVP teams...

[nardy]

But not to a competing teams like MVP teams...

even to an enemy it still depends on the PRICE ...... Money talks loudly!

[Buenafine]

"TRADE TUG OF WAR
2 power franchises in a tug of war!

Tho one feels that victory isn't far.

Both want the prize, but one is more aggressive

If they get the NUMBER 1, it will certainly be impressive!

More than that they want the TOP SCORER

They'll be unstoppable if ever.

Where are they getting the pickings?

A team in the bottom of the standings!

You gotta make your move now before it's too late,

Put on the table, a great trade bait!"

Gary David? To TNT?

[capitantiago]

but times has changed .... the passion of Filipinos for basketball is not what it used to be.

It is now rare to get a standing-room crowd in Araneta like what is shown before and what was the norm in the past.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/195823_10150191890931125_658571124_8767116_1520249 _n.jpg

As previously discussed there is no longer that close corelation between a team's popularity with the increase or decrease in market share. Whatever the performance of a PBA Team does not affect the appetite of the consumers in buying or not buying the product that's being endorsed.

it's also about prioritizing the expenditures and the purchasing power of the people.

[Cryotek]

"TRADE TUG OF WAR
2 power franchises in a tug of war!

Tho one feels that victory isn't far.

Both want the prize, but one is more aggressive

If they get the NUMBER 1, it will certainly be impressive!

More than that they want the TOP SCORER

They'll be unstoppable if ever.

Where are they getting the pickings?

A team in the bottom of the standings!

You gotta make your move now before it's too late,

Put on the table, a great trade bait!"

Gary David? To TNT?


Might be traded to Meralco!!!

[lovejones]

new unsubstantiated rumor circulating. might be related to the above ^^^:

MERALCO-SMB-POWERADE in the MAKING


MERALCO gets Gary David + Rob Reyes
SMB gets Mac Cardona + Powerade's 2011 First Round Pick
POWERADE gets Joseph Yeo + Gabby Espinas + Arwind Santos

[kikomatsing]

gusto ko toh!..
this trade i think is OK!.
but ala na nman para sa BGK!.
:)

trans: again NO BGK trade!:mad:

[ARISTOTLE]

gusto ko toh!..
this trade i think is OK!.
but ala na nman para sa BGK!.
:)

trans: again NO BGK trade!:mad:

Maybe Casio and Lutz are what's destined for Ginebra. "Malay naten".

[Alex07]

JC Intal should be playing in Meralco where could get a lot of playing time.

[Joe Yabuki]

be wary of rumors for today is april fools.

[shootingbwakaw]

new unsubstantiated rumor circulating. might be related to the above ^^^:

MERALCO-SMB-POWERADE in the MAKING


MERALCO gets Gary David + Rob Reyes
SMB gets Mac Cardona + Powerade's 2011 First Round Pick
POWERADE gets Joseph Yeo + Gabby Espinas + Arwind Santos

as an SMB estranged fan, (used to be hard core during the Samboy-NCC era) this is one good news if true. good riddance Airwind. they wouldn't win championships with this guy around

[nardy]

http://img.tweetimag.es/i/snowbadua_b (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) snow badua

On Saturday 2nd April 2011, @snowbadua (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) said:

EVOLUTION of the on-going trade negotiations

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

2.) SUPERTEAM tells UNDERPERFORMER to choose ANY player from their pool.

3.) UNDERPERFORMER wants SUPERTEAM's Scoring Champion (who plays 100% and all heart even when injured) but THIS FRANCHISE PLAYER doesn't want to saying he'd retire when traded.

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

5.) SUPER TEAM offers SUPERSTAR GUARD, SOPHOMORE GUARD, 2013 first round pick, STREAK SHOOTING GUARD and HOT SHOOTING CENTER for UNDERPERFORMER's STAR PLAYER, STAR PLAYER, 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK, AGEING POWER FORWARD, TEN-YEAR ROLE PLAYING FORWARD, FIL-AM FORWARD/CENTER and UNDERRATED GUARD.

*UNDERPFERFORMER STILL NOT KEEN ON THE FINAL OFFER.

(O ayan ha. detalyadong trade iyan sa inyo.)

[ariel_muhlach]

Underperformer just wants a simple coloquial affirmative answer when they ask ....

DEAL OR NO DEAL ????

a simple YAP will do.

but dont erR its the J they want

[nardy]

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III
Uh-oh, some of d tms' last gms in d elims may dcide if theyre going to hav a 6-2 or 6-4 import in d 3rd conf.
12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/54084170569351168)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III
Just found out: No suspension for Beasley for his FF2 last night.
15 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/54088769741139968)

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fmango (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango) Fidel Mangonon III
Gm 1s of best-of-3 QFs on Fri, Apr 8 & Gm 2s on Sun, Apr 10 will both b at d ASTRODOME. 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5.
58 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/fmango/status/54073004136734720)

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james_ty (http://twitter.com/#%21/james_ty) James Ty III
PBA quarterfinal games will be at Cuneta on April 8 and 10 bec of the Bruno Mars concert and the Bb Pilipinas, respectively.
58 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/james_ty/status/54073219350663169)

[Buenafine]

http://img.tweetimag.es/i/snowbadua_b (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) snow badua

On Saturday 2nd April 2011, @snowbadua (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) said:

EVOLUTION of the on-going trade negotiations

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

2.) SUPERTEAM tells UNDERPERFORMER to choose ANY player from their pool.

3.) UNDERPERFORMER wants SUPERTEAM's Scoring Champion (who plays 100% and all heart even when injured) but THIS FRANCHISE PLAYER doesn't want to saying he'd retire when traded.

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

5.) SUPER TEAM offers SUPERSTAR GUARD, SOPHOMORE GUARD, 2013 first round pick, STREAK SHOOTING GUARD and HOT SHOOTING CENTER for UNDERPERFORMER's STAR PLAYER, STAR PLAYER, 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK, AGEING POWER FORWARD, TEN-YEAR ROLE PLAYING FORWARD, FIL-AM FORWARD/CENTER and UNDERRATED GUARD.

*UNDERPFERFORMER STILL NOT KEEN ON THE FINAL OFFER.

(O ayan ha. detalyadong trade iyan sa inyo.)

Who's the SUPER TEAM? I can't think of a team with a HOT SHOOTING CENTER.

UNDERPERFORMER is SMB??

[boypana]

http://img.tweetimag.es/i/snowbadua_b (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) snow badua

On Saturday 2nd April 2011, @snowbadua (http://www.twitter.com/snowbadua) said:

EVOLUTION of the on-going trade negotiations

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

2.) SUPERTEAM tells UNDERPERFORMER to choose ANY player from their pool.

3.) UNDERPERFORMER wants SUPERTEAM's Scoring Champion (who plays 100% and all heart even when injured) but THIS FRANCHISE PLAYER doesn't want to saying he'd retire when traded.

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

5.) SUPER TEAM offers SUPERSTAR GUARD, SOPHOMORE GUARD, 2013 first round pick, STREAK SHOOTING GUARD and HOT SHOOTING CENTER for UNDERPERFORMER's STAR PLAYER, STAR PLAYER, 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK, AGEING POWER FORWARD, TEN-YEAR ROLE PLAYING FORWARD, FIL-AM FORWARD/CENTER and UNDERRATED GUARD.

*UNDERPFERFORMER STILL NOT KEEN ON THE FINAL OFFER.

(O ayan ha. detalyadong trade iyan sa inyo.)

UNDERPFERFORMER = Powerade
SUPER TEAM = SMB
SUPERSTAR GUARD = Cabagnot?
SOPHOMORE GUARD = ???:confused:
STREAK SHOOTING GUARD = Salvacion?
HOT SHOOTING CENTER = Mick Pennisi?

[jamalsampson]

Who's the SUPER TEAM? I can't think of a team with a HOT SHOOTING CENTER.

UNDERPERFORMER is SMB??


a SUPER TEAM is actually a Conglomerate of Companies which means in the PBA it is not only one team but several teams

UNDERPERFORMER is nobody else but POWERADE

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference Jay Washington for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

2.) SUPERTEAM tells UNDERPERFORMER to choose ANY player from their pool San Miguel Beer, Darby Ace and Barangay Ginebra.

3.) UNDERPERFORMER wants SUPERTEAM's Scoring Champion (who plays 100% and all heart even when injured) but THIS FRANCHISE PLAYER doesn't want to saying he'd retire when traded. James Yap

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD Rico Maeirhofer plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD Dondon Hontiveros AND SOPHOMORE GUARD Joshua Urbiztondo. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER Dennis Espino and FIL-AM Power Forward Sean Anthony.

5.) SUPER TEAM offers SUPERSTAR GUARD Dondon Hontiveros, SOPHOMORE GUARD Joshua Urbiztondo, 2013 first round pick, STREAK SHOOTING GUARD Peter June Simon and HOT SHOOTING CENTER Kerby Raymundo for UNDERPERFORMER's STAR PLAYER Gary David, 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK, AGEING POWER FORWARD Norman Gonzales, TEN-YEAR ROLE PLAYING FORWARD William Antonio, FIL-AM FORWARD/CENTER Sean Anthony and UNDERRATED GUARD Mark Macapagal.

*UNDERPFERFORMER STILL NOT KEEN ON THE FINAL OFFER.

[ariel_muhlach]

Who's the SUPER TEAM? I can't think of a team with a HOT SHOOTING CENTER.

UNDERPERFORMER is SMB??

You know why SUPER TEAM is so bent on getting UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick is because the former employee of a rival group of SUPER TEAM and now in control of SUPER TEAM is working on a PBA BOARD decision that would allow the Best Player of GUEST TEAM that's owned by rival group to play as a LOCAL and thus would be ripe for the picking in the 2011 PBA Rookie Draft.

I am not sure but after a series of trades by SUPER TEAM in the past, they already acquired a number of 2011 Draft Picks of the the Other Teams that's outside SUPER TEAM and the rival Group. Remember the Tenorio deal, Arwind Santos deal, Pennisi deal, Rico Villanueva deal, Yeo deal, Cabagnot deal, JayWash deal, Miranda deal, Tugade deal, etc. And it is only the pick of UNDERPERFPORMER which is not with SUPER TEAM.

all I can say do not Doubt it !!!!

[kikomatsing]

pls disect the riddle..
tenks!

[ariel_muhlach]

Could anyone name the imports in the picture:

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I understand its really expensive to get imports of unlimited height.

But why could we not even get high quality imports of unlimited height like the ones shown above.

Back then even if they were short .... they were really of high quality.

What we now get are just either plain boring to mediocre. Not one import could really carry his team. In the past Sean Chambers, Russell Walker, Rosell Ellis, Kenny Redfield might not score the lights out like Billy Ray Bates or Tony Harris but they could carry the team. Even Small imports like Julius Wayne, Al Green and Glen Hagan are rather impressive but recent imports just really pale in comparison.

[sorbetero]

sean chambers at bobby parks lang ang familiar sa photo ...

[Sakamoto]

winston crite is the bald import of presto tivoli.

[capitantiago]

sean chambers at bobby parks lang ang familiar sa photo ...

why? you don't know tony lu? hahaha

[reamily]

There are so many leagues in the world, at the same times we do not want the imports to be much inferior to these reinforcements.


I think the past is good but pba, the league, and the fans should move on....

PBA is still the passion of many Filipinos belive it or not, even it is not marketed the way the tv shows i the giant stations or even the asklas have been.

Philippine Basketball just need this one victory, one victory....

To awaken a giant...

[jologs]

There are so many leagues in the world, at the same times we do not want the imports to be much inferior to these reinforcements.

I think the past is good but pba, the league, and the fans should move on....

PBA is still the passion of many Filipinos belive it or not, even it is not marketed the way the tv shows i the giant stations or even the asklas have been.

Philippine Basketball just need this one victory, one victory....

To awaken a giant...

Move on to where? Accept the fact that the PBA is already what it is? Obkors, us who have followed the PBA in the 70's up to now have accepted that fact because we have witnessed the league's regression.

And to say that the PBA is not being "marketed" by the media? The PBA itself is one big Marketing Program by its member ballclubs. In the 80's, during the peak of PBA's popularity, giant TV network ABS-CBN almost folded up when it went bankrupt by bankrolling the MBA to compete with the PBA.

Now PBA lovers complain that the league isn't getting the same level of coverage compared with - say the Azkals. The only reason why major TV networks are not bidding too much money to air PBA games is that the league lost its popularity and thus lower ROI, simple as that. And with this, yes I have already moved on, and beyond PBA.

[jologs]

I understand its really expensive to get imports of unlimited height.

But why could we not even get high quality imports of unlimited height like the ones shown above.

Back then even if they were short .... they were really of high quality.

What we now get are just either plain boring to mediocre. Not one import could really carry his team. In the past Sean Chambers, Russell Walker, Rosell Ellis, Kenny Redfield might not score the lights out like Billy Ray Bates or Tony Harris but they could carry the team. Even Small imports like Julius Wayne, Al Green and Glen Hagan are rather impressive but recent imports just really pale in comparison.

And we're already impressed with Gabe Freeman lol.:D

[reamily]

Valid point sir yeah aside from pba and the rich/popular universities in our college leagues, everything seems to fold up and cannot stand even our national teams....:cool:

Boxing has its dark ages, same as billiards and even football but Basketball because of these leagues PBA, collegiate and then PBL they stand through thick and thin but how much longer.....


or the question be why its still stay, look at your community people do watch their sons brothers and friends play basketball than watching Captain Barbell, etc...

Yeah in some communities people will watch they son, friends neighbors play basketball than watch nba all stars, nba finals...

The lifeline of the pba is not the middle class or the online community, is it still the masa.. the one you see watching in the upper boxes of the coliseum once they are out....

Thats why Filipinos love basketball they are not just about winning, they play it, (thats the reason why V league is popular even school names are playing )

Basketball is like a weed:cool:

[reamily]

And we're already impressed with Gabe Freeman lol.:D

Thats how it is even Freeman is not the most skillfull of the players he is the prototype of Pinoy basketball. All energy does not need to hog the ball.........

[reamily]

You know why SUPER TEAM is so bent on getting UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick is because the former employee of a rival group of SUPER TEAM and now in control of SUPER TEAM is working on a PBA BOARD decision that would allow the Best Player of GUEST TEAM that's owned by rival group to play as a LOCAL and thus would be ripe for the picking in the 2011 PBA Rookie Draft.

I am not sure but after a series of trades by SUPER TEAM in the past, they already acquired a number of 2011 Draft Picks of the the Other Teams that's outside SUPER TEAM and the rival Group. Remember the Tenorio deal, Arwind Santos deal, Pennisi deal, Rico Villanueva deal, Yeo deal, Cabagnot deal, JayWash deal, Miranda deal, Tugade deal, etc. And it is only the pick of UNDERPERFPORMER which is not with SUPER TEAM.

all I can say do not Doubt it !!!!

please Do not state the obvious:D

these is a hitch allow Marcus so you can raise 6 Gilas players in your expansion team:cool:

scenario 2
allow former college foreigners to play in the league (at least to have an able athletic body to match tatang:eek:), Ekwe Daniels etc...

But about Douthit, will he still be the same player if he were matc up against players same with his size and athleticism?..

[jologs]

Valid point sir yeah aside from pba and the rich/popular universities in our college leagues, everything seems to fold up and cannot stand even our national teams....:cool:

Boxing has its dark ages, same as billiards and even football but Basketball because of these leagues PBA, collegiate and then PBL they stand through thick and thin but how much longer.....

or the question be why its still stay, look at your community people do watch their sons brothers and friends play basketball than watching Captain Barbell, etc...

Yeah in some communities people will watch they son, friends neighbors play basketball than watch nba all stars, nba finals...

The lifeline of the pba is not the middle class or the online community, is it still the masa.. the one you see watching in the upper boxes of the coliseum once they are out....

Thats why Filipinos love basketball they are not just about winning, they play it, (thats the reason why V league is popular even school names are playing )

Basketball is like a weed:cool:

Sir, I'm only referring to the PBA which is by itself not the whole RP basketball. There are a lot of stakeholders in RP basketball - UAAP, CESAFI, Liga RP, NCAA etc where popularity is at their all-time high.

[jologs]

The lifeline of the pba is not the middle class or the online community, is it still the masa.. the one you see watching in the upper boxes of the coliseum once they are out....Basketball is like a weed:cool:

So that's why ABS-CBN chose Studio 23, their high-end channel to air PBA games.:D

[reamily]

So that's why ABS-CBN chose Studio 23, their high-end channel to air PBA games.:D

I hope so sir that it is true I hope that PBL is still alive if the other leagues except the pba is a t all time high we hope to see jam packed crowds in ateneo la salle ball game outside UAAP, I hope that Liga PBL merger is successful, I hope many people watch ABL specially the Patriots games because its free..


I hope that Studio 23 will air more local movies(Jeric rava movies..) in their prime time to cater their high end audience.....

I honestly wish that it is all true....

[momax]

So that's why ABS-CBN chose Studio 23, their high-end channel to air PBA games.:D

Gone are the days where your TV set has only 13 channels. Even the cheapest set in the surplus stores are already remote controlled colored tv which has ch 23. So everybody has access to the so called high end channel.

[nardy]

I do not know if its only me but it seems after watching a good number of PBA Games, its already nearing the tail-end of the 2nd Conference of the PBA but if you look at the different teams, there are a number of players who looks still not in competitive form .... its disappointing because they're supposed to be Professional Athletes but they do not seem to care and does not make the effort to keep in shape. Majority of the players are just huffing-and-puffing after just a couple of non-stop touch-and-go action ..... you can notice fatigue is there even if its not yet the 4th quarter with players holding unto their waists for awhile then you'll see them sit down when a player is making a free throw. Discipline and attitude is now really a problem in our PBA players.

[momax]

I do not know if its only me but it seems after watching a good number of PBA Games, its already nearing the tail-end of the 2nd Conference of the PBA but if you look at the different teams, there are a number of players who looks still not in competitive form .... its disappointing because they're supposed to be Professional Athletes but they do not seem to care and does not make the effort to keep in shape. Majority of the players are just huffing-and-puffing after just a couple of non-stop touch-and-go action ..... you can notice fatigue is there even if its not yet the 4th quarter with players holding unto their waists for awhile then you'll see them sit down when a player is making a free throw. Discipline and attitude is now really a problem in our PBA players.

they only play at their best form only when their contract is about to end. Why risk injury or play your heart out when your fat contract isn't about to expire.

[nardy]

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Barako buyer? PBA, Fred or me!
By HOOPH (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorname.aspx?AuthorName=By%20HOOPH ), April 04, 2011 12:00 AM

As widely anticipated, the sale of Barako to the Phoenix hit a road “bloc.”
I did a mock governors’ voting (http://www.philstar.com/unblogged/blog-entry.aspx?articleId=665827&publicationSubCategoryId=516) about this and it went as we thought it would be. There are no press releases, but the votes leaked. It’s how I called it. All teams voting “yes,” SMC teams voting “no,” and Air 21’s “no” sealed the no-deal.


Wondering who’ll buy the Barako franchise now? Well, Phoenix failed, a company that is reported to be in good financial standing and has passion for the game. So let’s forget the usual potential buyers like SM, Hapee, Cebuana Lhuiller, Pizza Hut, Harbour Centre, etc. Let’s think outside the box now and see who can take over the Barako franchise.

Option A: The PBA


I tweeted that if the NBA can take over a franchise (New Orleans Hornets) and run it, why couldn’t the PBA do so too to prevent an unbalanced conference and players/franchises becoming inactive? Here’s the deal: Smart Gilas has other plans, and if they decide to skip the PBA's third conference, the league will lack balance – with odd number teams at nine. Since the sale is on hold, if PBA takes over Barako Bull, the team's contracted players will be able to play and the conference will be a balanced one. Extra games delivered by the Barako team would translate to extra TV and gates revenues. They may have enough to cover player salaries and other costs. Ok, figures are complicated, and PBA by-laws might get in the way so we move on to the next option then.

Option B: Second Uytengsu franchise

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'Coach Jojo Lastimosa.' Like?


The Uytengsu Franchise, Alaska Milk, has been maintaining high level of success for 25 years in the PBA, and I feel another franchise for them is not a bad idea. Over the years, the only team that has been able to compete and challenge SMC and MVP teams is the Alaska franchise. With another franchise, they’re pretty much on the level and challenge MVP and SMC, both in sports and business aspects. Money, I think, won’t be a problem, with Alaska having a net income of almost P2 billion last year – the reported franchise fee of P70 million is loose change. Sales from their chosen product (PBA dividends), savings on advertising costs (savings on not getting new celebrity endorsers), and savings from sending overlapping and excess coaches/staff over to this new franchise will cover the cost of running another PBA team. They have an army of coaches, by the way. I’d like Jojo Lastimosa to be the coach of the new team, then assisted by Joel Banal and managed by Luigi Trillio. How’s that for a crew?


I have a problem though: I can’t see a viable product for Alaska to carry other than milk. The Alaska Aces can’t possibly compete with Alpine Evaporators! So we have to move on to the next great option.

Option C: Me (and you!)



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Meet team owner 1 of 10,000

I have a proposal for all you guys and PBA Commissioner Atty. Chito Salud too: I want to take over the Barako Bull franchise! Yes, that is right. Me.
I’ll be CEO and GM of the franchise. How is this possible? All I need is 10,000 people with P10,000. I’ll give P10,001 so it’ll make me the majority owner.


I’ll have to consult my lawyer about this. SEC matters, IPO thing and whatnot. But basically, we’ll instantly have P100,000,001. P70,000,000 for straight-cash Barako franchise buyout; P30,000,000 to run the team in the first year.


First off, P10,000 ain't that big, that’s like what, a cellphone? What I am saying is, your cellphone money can buy you a team! You’ll be a part owner of a team! We will randomly pick one part owner per game to sit behind the bench and be the team of the game! Cool eh? But wait, there’s more.


It doesn’t end there with you being a part team owner; we will actually make money out of this.


I know you are asking, “How the hell we’ll get the money back and make it big?" Easy. Serious business stuff below you can only get from renowned business schools. Read on.


I’ll name our team “BRAND’X.” Aint that catchy? Every commercial of soaps, toothpaste, they show BRAND’X! We are promoted already! But the better part is, we will have team naming rights every conference. Naming rights = P10,000,000. Every conference we’ll have a new name and a new company to represent. The franchise BRAND’X Inc. is constant. Isn’t that exciting? One conference, we are Team Hyundai Coupes, next thing you know, we are Team Zonrox Stain Busters.
We’ll have a marketing arm that we’ll sell BRAND’X merchandise. Caps, jersey, tees, mugs, stickers, balls, jackets, etc. Name it, we’ll make it. I’ll register teamBRANDX.com, it is available.
Every time we have a chance to pick bluechippers in the draft, we’ll pick them and groom them. After two to three years, we’ll trade them for older or lesser value players PLUS an undisclosed amount of cash. Sounds familiar?
For our uniform, we will have advertising spots on them much like how boxers' shorts have ads all over. I’ll have this for only P1,000,000 for butt-space per conference. Front short space is P1,000,000 too. Shorts sides are half a million per side.
Teams get dividends/share from PBA revenues, etc.

You see, even if this fails, you can say to your grand child, “Kid, I was once part owner of a PBA team.” See what P10,000 can do? C’mon, partners, let’s do this.

[ricodgame]

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

- Jay Washington for Powerade's First Round Pick
- Enrico Villanueva for Powerade's First Round Pick
- Kerby Raymundo for Powerade's First Round Pick

3.) UNDERPERFORMER wants SUPERTEAM's Scoring Champion (who plays 100% and all heart even when injured) but THIS FRANCHISE PLAYER doesn't want to saying he'd retire when traded.

- Mark Caguioa

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

- Arwind Santos, Willie Miller and Chris Timberlake? for Dennis Espino, Sean Anthony and 2011 1st round pick

5.) SUPER TEAM offers SUPERSTAR GUARD, SOPHOMORE GUARD, 2013 first round pick, STREAK SHOOTING GUARD and HOT SHOOTING CENTER for UNDERPERFORMER's STAR PLAYER, STAR PLAYER, 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK, AGEING POWER FORWARD, TEN-YEAR ROLE PLAYING FORWARD, FIL-AM FORWARD/CENTER and UNDERRATED GUARD.

Willie Miller, Chris Timberlake?, Sunday Salvacion, Mick Pennisi for Gary David, Dennis Espino, Ricky Calimag, Rob Reyes, Mark Macapagal

*UNDERPFERFORMER STILL NOT KEEN ON THE FINAL OFFER.

[qwertyasdf]

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Barako buyer? PBA, Fred or me!
By HOOPH (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorname.aspx?AuthorName=By%20HOOPH ), April 04, 2011 12:00 AM


Meet team owner 1 of 10,000

I have a proposal for all you guys and PBA Commissioner Atty. Chito Salud too: I want to take over the Barako Bull franchise! Yes, that is right. Me.
I’ll be CEO and GM of the franchise. How is this possible? All I need is 10,000 people with P10,000. I’ll give P10,001 so it’ll make me the majority owner.


I’ll have to consult my lawyer about this. SEC matters, IPO thing and whatnot. But basically, we’ll instantly have P100,000,001. P70,000,000 for straight-cash Barako franchise buyout; P30,000,000 to run the team in the first year.


First off, P10,000 ain't that big, that’s like what, a cellphone? What I am saying is, your cellphone money can buy you a team! You’ll be a part owner of a team! We will randomly pick one part owner per game to sit behind the bench and be the team of the game! Cool eh? But wait, there’s more.


It doesn’t end there with you being a part team owner; we will actually make money out of this.


I know you are asking, “How the hell we’ll get the money back and make it big?" Easy. Serious business stuff below you can only get from renowned business schools. Read on.


I’ll name our team “BRAND’X.” Aint that catchy? Every commercial of soaps, toothpaste, they show BRAND’X! We are promoted already! But the better part is, we will have team naming rights every conference. Naming rights = P10,000,000. Every conference we’ll have a new name and a new company to represent. The franchise BRAND’X Inc. is constant. Isn’t that exciting? One conference, we are Team Hyundai Coupes, next thing you know, we are Team Zonrox Stain Busters.
We’ll have a marketing arm that we’ll sell BRAND’X merchandise. Caps, jersey, tees, mugs, stickers, balls, jackets, etc. Name it, we’ll make it. I’ll register teamBRANDX.com, it is available.
Every time we have a chance to pick bluechippers in the draft, we’ll pick them and groom them. After two to three years, we’ll trade them for older or lesser value players PLUS an undisclosed amount of cash. Sounds familiar?
For our uniform, we will have advertising spots on them much like how boxers' shorts have ads all over. I’ll have this for only P1,000,000 for butt-space per conference. Front short space is P1,000,000 too. Shorts sides are half a million per side.
Teams get dividends/share from PBA revenues, etc.

You see, even if this fails, you can say to your grand child, “Kid, I was once part owner of a PBA team.” See what P10,000 can do? C’mon, partners, let’s do this.

that's some crazy idea. but i like it. was this filed under april fools day article? i'd be the 9,999th buyer. :D:D:D i heard some telly preacher doing something like this, the one with the bad mouth.

[capitantiago]

I do not know if its only me but it seems after watching a good number of PBA Games, its already nearing the tail-end of the 2nd Conference of the PBA but if you look at the different teams, there are a number of players who looks still not in competitive form .... its disappointing because they're supposed to be Professional Athletes but they do not seem to care and does not make the effort to keep in shape. Majority of the players are just huffing-and-puffing after just a couple of non-stop touch-and-go action ..... you can notice fatigue is there even if its not yet the 4th quarter with players holding unto their waists for awhile then you'll see them sit down when a player is making a free throw. Discipline and attitude is now really a problem in our PBA players.

so true. classic example is marlou aquino. for all his talents and potentials, he could have been one of the greatest had he worked hard.

[capitantiago]

1.) SUPERTEAM offers former Best player of the Conference for UNDERPERFORMER's 2011 first round pick

- Jay Washington for Powerade's First Round Pick
- Enrico Villanueva for Powerade's First Round Pick
- Kerby Raymundo for Powerade's First Round Pick



But Kerby has never been awarded the BPC.

[Alex07]

is Jared Dillinger on the injured list? haven't seen him for quite some time now

[nardy]

is Jared Dillinger on the injured list? haven't seen him for quite some time now

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snowbadua (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua) snow badua
JARED DILLINGER to join ENERGEN UNDER-16's flight to the US on April 10 to have his injured shoulder checked and prolly operated on.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/54738827633364993)

[ariel_muhlach]

Greatest Basketball Motivator of all time:

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fmango Fidel Mangonon III
Btw, another classic YG quote: "Career-high na ba yun? Ang babaw pala ng career niya, no?" Wahahahaha
44 minutes ago

[nardy]

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The curious politics of Sonny Barrios’ appointment as SBP executive director (http://firequinito.com/archives/551-The-curious-politics-of-Sonny-Barrios-appointment-as-SBP-executive-director.html) Posted by Jaemark Tordecilla (http://firequinito.com/authors/1-Jaemark-Tordecilla) on April 4, 2011 at 15:47 (http://firequinito.com/archives/551-The-curious-politics-of-Sonny-Barrios-appointment-as-SBP-executive-director.html)


In 2007, after Noli Eala was forced to resign by the Philippine Basketball Association as commissioner due to his disbarment, two candidates were up for the position: former telecommunications executive Lambert Ramos and lawyer Chito Salud. Neither man had enough votes to be appointed commissioner; San Miguel, Ginebra, Coke, Welcoat, and Red Bull – the SMC bloc – voted for Salud, while Air 21, Alaska, Sta. Lucia, and Talk N Text – the MVP bloc – voted for Ramos.

However, each man needed six out of the nine votes (voting rights haven’t been restored to Purefoods at the time) to be appointed commissioner. Unable to break the deadlock, the board decided to appoint Renauld “Sonny” Barrios, who at the time was OIC of the PBA, to the commissionership full time.

Salud was brought in as deputy commissioner in 2010, which everyone understood as a signal that Barrios was on his way out. Observers said that the replacement pointed to the increasing disenchantment of the Talk N Text squad over how the officiating in the PBA was done under Barrios, which was highlighted by the team’s walkout during the 2010 PBA Philippine Cup. The move to bring in Salud, who had been the favored candidate of the SMC bloc in the previous round of voting, couldn’t have happened without the blessing off the influential MVP bloc.

So it comes as a bit of a surprise that Barrios now finds himself appointed as executive director of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas, which is headed by Manny Pangilinan, replacing Eala (http://firequinito.com/archives/510-Noli-Eala-out-of-the-SBP,-into-San-Miguel.html).

Then again, this is the second time that this exact same thing happened.

When Eala’s disbarment was first announced, the former commissioner was determined to stay in the position. He was confident about holding on to office, because he enjoyed the support of the SMC bloc. However, the rest of the PBA board, led by then-chairman Ricky Vargas, Pangilinan’s right hand man, voted to kick him out of office, so Eala was forced to resign. It was, in fact, the initiative of the MVP bloc that led to Eala’s ouster.

A year later or so, Eala was appointed executive director of the SBP.

A few months ago, I was exchanging emails with a veteran journalist (not Quinito Henson) talking about Eala’s impending departure from the basketball federation. Even then, we knew it was only a matter of time before he was kicked out, because of a controversy over his failure to liquidate millions of pesos in funds, which may or may not have affected the reported delays in salary of Smart Gilas players. The veteran journalist hinted that Barrios was being eyed to take over the federation, which, according to him, “will mark the second time Barrios will try to clean up the mess Eala left behind.”

I know a lot of fans are unhappy over the Sonny Barrios appointment; after all, Eala portrayed himself in the media as a dynamic innovator who is full of new ideas, while Barrios comes across as a clueless old fogey. There is some truth to those perceptions, although how much depends on whether you’re willing to buy the shit Eala is selling. I myself remember him as the guy who once tried to pitch the “three-point dunk” as an innovation in the PBA.

To my mind, Eala in fact set the bar at the SBP much lower for his successor. As long as Barrios manages to do the following:



not get embroiled in any controversy that involves millions of pesos in funds
make sure that the salaries of players and staff are released on time
not start feuds with other officials involved in basketball
foster a good working relationship with team managers, coaches, the PBA, the collegiate leagues instead of alienating them
not take passive-aggressive digs at national players such as Asi Taulava during Asian competition, even though he did not recruit them to the team
behave well enough so media members won’t start a “We Hate D.Monyo” club against him


Then he would already be an unqualified success at the SBP helm.

[bognut]

Barrios = Old fool who tries to please his master.

Eala = Mofo! An arrogant fool. :rolleyes:

[weward]

Barrios = Old fool who tries to please his master.

Eala = Mofo! An arrogant fool. :rolleyes:

I hate his attitude sometimes. But I love his vision.

[jamalsampson]

I hate his attitude sometimes. But I love his vision.

He is very bright and does have a very good vision on what has to be done. Unfortunately, he is too ambitious as he is not afraid to push his own personal agenda and he would not even hesitate to bite the hands who are feeding him if what is happening is not what he has planned.

[bognut]

He is very bright and does have a very good vision on what has to be done. Unfortunately, he is too ambitious as he is not afraid to push his own personal agenda and he would not even hesitate to bite the hands who are feeding him if what is happening is not what he has planned.

maybe he feels that everything is lost.. so why not fck 'em all up. :o

[ricodgame]

But Kerby has never been awarded the BPC.

my bad. :D

anyway, I will change this:

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

- Arwind Santos, PJ Simon and Chris Timberlake? for Dennis Espino, Sean Anthony and 2011 1st round pick

[nardy]

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NO TALLER THAN 6-FOOT-2

Shorter imports next for Gin Kings, Texters

By Rocky Nazareno 04/05/2011



This early, it looks like Talk ‘N Text and Barangay Ginebra already have their work cut out for themselves as they look forward to a third conference in the Philippine Basketball Association with the handicap of having an import at least two inches shorter than six other squads when the Governors’ Cup unveils next month.


According to PBA chief statistician Fidel Mangonon, the Tropang Texters and Gin Kings, based on their remarkable performances in the first conference Philippine Cup and the elimination round of the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup, will be carrying over the handicap of having reinforcements no taller than 6-foot-2 in the next conference.


As per the Governors’ Cup format, the top four teams, after considering their records in the Philippine Cup, representing 60 percent of the final consideration for handicaps, and the elimination round of the Commissioner’s Cup, accounting for 40 percent, will be allowed to take in imports standing 6-foot-2 or shorter.


The next four teams in that criteria will be entitled to recruit imports standing 6-foot-4 and no taller, as in what was the norm in the Commissioner’s Cup.


The last two teams, including Powerade, which fared poorly in both the Philippine and Commissioners Cup, will be allowed to bring in a taller import with 6-foot-6 as the ceiling. Better yet, the Tigers will have more than three weeks to work with him onboard.


However, this league format, approved in a pre-season PBA board meeting, did not tackle recent developments wherein Barako Bull, which finished last in the Philippine Cup, sought a temporary leave after the Philippine Cup that allowed Smart Gilas Pilipinas to see action in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup and eventually expressed its intention to sell its franchise altogether.


So which team should be allowed to avail of Barako Bull’s incentive?
In such a case, another PBA insider said that the PBA board may be inclined to award the 6-foot-6 privilege to the team which finished “next-worst in the league’s handicap criteria.”


“We are working on the assumption that Smart Gilas will still see action in the Governors’ Cup with 6-foot-10 Marcus Douthit already in hand. For Barako Bull to forfeit that advantage because it will no longer see action would not be healthy for the league. We might as well award it to the next least competitive team this season,” she said.


As things stand, Alaska, Rain or Shine, B-Meg Derby Ace and Air21 Express are, ironically, battling out for those two inches between getting a 6-foot-4 import as against a 6-foot-2 reinforcement even as they are still jockeying for final positions in the ongoing Commissioner’s Cup.


San Miguel may have figured in the Philippine Cup finals which it eventually surrendered to Talk ‘N Text. But that lofty stature was quickly erased by a mere 1-8 win-loss record in the Commissioner’s Cup which may even qualify the Beermen for the “second worst-placed team” that could get them a 6-foot-6 import.

[ariel_muhlach]

Only in the Philippines .....

The PBA wants to get Cute

Ginebra already overloaded with guards would now be handicapped in using only a 6'2 import for the 2rd Conference because the team overachieve and had impressive performance in the 1st and current 2nd conference.

Punish the performer .... and reward the other teams who could not perform as well

[capitantiago]

Only in the Philippines .....

The PBA wants to get Cute

Ginebra already overloaded with guards would now be handicapped in using only a 6'2 import for the 2rd Conference because the team overachieve and had impressive performance in the 1st and current 2nd conference.

Punish the performer .... and reward the other teams who could not perform as well

true, they punish the achiever and reward the mediocre. this is contrary to general practice.

[Cryotek]

true, they punish the achiever and reward the mediocre. this is contrary to general practice.

as far as I know, they would like to create balance among the PBA teams for the 3rd conference ...what an irony if we talked about PBA TRADES!!!:rolleyes:

[Alex07]

Only in the Philippines .....

The PBA wants to get Cute

Ginebra already overloaded with guards would now be handicapped in using only a 6'2 import for the 2rd Conference becaus
the team overachieve and had impressive performance in the 1st and current 2nd conference.

Punish the performer .... and reward the other teams who could not perform as well

That's what Tim Cone is saying..I think if the ABL could allow more than two teams per country and could compete with the PBA players salaries and add up countries beyond but not very far from the ASEAN region (add team countries like China and Taiwan) then it would be more interesting to watch than the PBA.

[st_ang3r]

my bad. :D

anyway, I will change this:

4.) UNDERPERFORMER revises demand and asks for SUPERTEAM's POWER FORWARD plus THIRD TEAM's SUPERSTAR OFF GUARD AND SOPHOMORE GUARD. In exchange they will give up 2011 first round pick plus VETERAN CENTER and FIL-AM Power Forward.

- Arwind Santos, PJ Simon and Chris Timberlake? for Dennis Espino, Sean Anthony and 2011 1st round pick

i think it's Rob Reyes and not anthony. plus i think its meralco-powerade-smb...

[kikomatsing]

true, they punish the achiever and reward the mediocre. this is contrary to general practice.


its not "punish" sir!...
its called "balance"

[momax]

Only in the Philippines .....

The PBA wants to get Cute

Ginebra already overloaded with guards would now be handicapped in using only a 6'2 import for the 2rd Conference because the team overachieve and had impressive performance in the 1st and current 2nd conference.

Punish the performer .... and reward the other teams who could not perform as well

What will happen if a team which is allowed only a 6'2" import opt not to field or hire an import for the whole conference as that import will be utilized only on 1 or 2 position of which that team has a surplus?

[kikomatsing]

What will happen if a team which is allowed only a 6'2" import opt not to field or hire an import for the whole conference as that import will be utilized only on 1 or 2 position of which that team has a surplus?


then fine and penalties awaits that team!
:)

[momax]

then fine and penalties awaits that team!
:)

In that case I may import someone who was just buying a vinegar down the corner store and just let him sit on the bench the whole conference:)

[kikomatsing]

In that case I may import someone who was just buying a vinegar down the corner store and just let him sit on the bench the whole conference:)

agree... but not like Datu Puti commercial
(pakyaw was inutusan by his mom..then got the championship belt when he got back!)
hahahahahaaha!

[Silent Killer]

I do not know if its only me but it seems after watching a good number of PBA Games, its already nearing the tail-end of the 2nd Conference of the PBA but if you look at the different teams, there are a number of players who looks still not in competitive form .... its disappointing because they're supposed to be Professional Athletes but they do not seem to care and does not make the effort to keep in shape. Majority of the players are just huffing-and-puffing after just a couple of non-stop touch-and-go action ..... you can notice fatigue is there even if its not yet the 4th quarter with players holding unto their waists for awhile then you'll see them sit down when a player is making a free throw. Discipline and attitude is now really a problem in our PBA players.

almost all PBA players aren't train like Gilas. they must train like gilas. gilas is always fresh even at overtime period.

[Joe Yabuki]

I do not know if its only me but it seems after watching a good number of PBA Games, its already nearing the tail-end of the 2nd Conference of the PBA but if you look at the different teams, there are a number of players who looks still not in competitive form .... its disappointing because they're supposed to be Professional Athletes but they do not seem to care and does not make the effort to keep in shape. Majority of the players are just huffing-and-puffing after just a couple of non-stop touch-and-go action ..... you can notice fatigue is there even if its not yet the 4th quarter with players holding unto their waists for awhile then you'll see them sit down when a player is making a free throw. Discipline and attitude is now really a problem in our PBA players.

depends on the management I guess, There are some who still run their teams that is similar to that of the old basketball days(fill your roster with good players and let god do the rest) some probably cant afford good trainers or conditioning materials.

This is the advantage of the well maintained teams such as Talk and Text and Gilas.

although I guess everything must start with the players themselves. a Marlou will always be a Marlou while a Pingris will always be a Pingris.

Perhaps this was obtained with the press and the supports who worshiped these home grown players when they hit that crucial shot in the UAAP/NCAA or maybe the lack of mountains to climb in Philippine basketball. since, winning a championship in the PBA is pretty darn common for everyone who has a solid career there.

[jamalsampson]

The San Miguel group has been lobbying to allow swapping of imports between sister teams.

Since Ginebra would be handicapped with a 6'2 import next conference.

Do you think Brumfield could bring better results than David Young (San Miguel) and Courtney Beasley (BMeg) ?

Who between Petron and BMeg would Nate Brumfield fit-in better?

[Buenafine]

The San Miguel group has been lobbying to allow swapping of imports between sister teams.

Since Ginebra would be handicapped with a 6'2 import next conference.

Do you think Brumfield could bring better results than David Young (San Miguel) and Courtney Beasley (BMeg) ?

Who between Petron and BMeg would Nate Brumfield fit-in better?

Beasley didn't even get to show his stuff. He was f***ed by that called by the refs (granted he did stick his foot out)

Brumfield fits BMEG perfectly IMO.

[nardy]

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It's a passing game…..


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Star Player According to Roe

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Posted on April 7, 2011 (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/) by ebcano (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/author/ebcano/)| 2 Comments (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/#comments)

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Rafe Bartolomew (http://rafebartholomew.com/) wrote in his famous book, “Pacific Rims: Beermen Ballin’ in Flip-Flops and the Philippines’ Unlikely Love Affair with Basketball (http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Rims-Flip-Flops-Philippines-Basketball/dp/0451229991)“, about Roselle “Roe” Ellis’ frustration on Alaska players when he was playing with them as an import, which I am assuming was in 2007. Roe was madly concern as his local teammates were not really serious in getting the job done and win games. One statement of Roe that darted Willie Miller’s way was this:
Willie thinks he’s a star, but if he’s so great why he has been traded two times?”
Roe’s evaluation of a PBA star player weighed on how a team valued a player and not trade him to other teams. A star player, in this case, may play for a team for the rest of his career or for a long time and have supporting role players built around him, at least in his prime.

In a new book, Scorecasting (http://www.amazon.com/Scorecasting-Hidden-Influences-Behind-Sports/dp/0307591794/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302181698&sr=1-1), the authors defined an NBA star player as someone who has been voted within the top ten of the MVP balloting in a given season. Wages of Wins (http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/), a blog about NBA players production metric evaluates a star player according to the player’s wins produced.

Let us focus on Roe’s measure. During that time, Miller has played with Red Bull and Talk and Text before coming into the Alaska’s roster. As of this writing, Miller is playing for Barangay Ginebra Kings, his fourth team in his 10th PBA season. On the other hand, Willie has garnered 12 PBA awards including winning the MVP twice, two Best Player of Conferences and various Mythical Team memberships.


Currently, there are many PBA players who have been traded with four different teams (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/). As shown in the word cloud below, created from Wordle (http://www.wordle.net/), Willie Miller is in the company of many, with Rich Alvarez and Mark Telan as top honors for having played for seven teams.


So who are the star player according to Roe? I offer the graph below of some notable PBA players. With this, we can see that a star player is a PBA player:


who has not been traded
who has been traded once
who has been playing/played for a PBA franchise for a long time even when traded at least two times


http://headwindscore.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/rafe-star-player-022.png?w=500&h=319

Jimmy Alapag and Harvey Carey has only played with Talk and Text in their eight years in the league. Likewise with Caguiao and Helterbrand, playing only for Ginebra, though they differ in number of years. Eric Menk has stayed put also with Ginebra for ten years now. Kerby, PJ Simon and James Yap have been playing together with the B-MEG/Purefoods team for a long time. Kerby and PJ have has been traded once while James and PJ have not been on the trading block. For thirteen years, Danny I has been with SMB and has not been traded since. Dondon Hontiveros, traded to SMB when Tanduay disbanded, and Danny Seigle were traded recently by SMB to Air21 yet their long tenures at SMB qualifies them as star players. Sonny Thoss has played with Alaska only for seven years.


An important observation with these “star” players is that the team they play or played for has been a contender in the past PBA seasons. The teams they play or they played for were always on the run for the crown. Looking at a star player to play for good amount of years for a team may give stability and contention for PBA championships.


Roe’s definition of a star player in the PBA maybe justified. However, this may not be the only way to evaluate who can be considered a star player since Miller has garnered awards more than the players indicated in the graph above. There will be a lot of opinions on how to measure who is a PBA star player or not. It can be based on the number of championships won or based on the individual awards received or statistical production on the floor.


The discussion above was, who is the star player according to Roe. Join in the discussion, who is the star player according to You?

2 Responses to Star Player According to Roe

http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e0cdd48bf6439aea3083c19cff1e2dd7?s=48&d=identicon&r=G jaemark (http://firequinito.com/) | April 7, 2011 at 2:53 pm (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/#comment-32) | Reply (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/?replytocom=32#respond)
I don’t think Simon has been traded yet; he was drafted by Sta. Lucia but went unsigned, before hooking up with Purefoods as a free agent.




http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/121ff00062aec97368a037933bf8e0c8?s=48&d=identicon&r=G ebcano | April 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/#comment-33) | Reply (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/star-player-according-to-roe/?replytocom=33#respond)
Thank you J, for the correction.




Jouney’s Men

Posted on March 15, 2011 (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/) by ebcano (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/author/ebcano/)| 3 Comments (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/#comments)


Many friends of mine does tour around the Philippines. This is their life and business. They love to go places and organize tours for clients.

One does it more frequently. He goes up and down the 7,1000 islands braving the airplane flights and mountain terrains. Some does it with less times. They might get the toll on physicality of the tour and rather stay at home and take care for their families.

PBA players do tours and go places, too. The places they go to are their prospective teams. Few does it more frequently. Some goes around the league with lesser constancy. See Figure 1, for the numbers of tours of some PBA players.

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Figure 1

Their journeys may be for several reasons:


Former team lacks no space for their talents. Did not sign the player for the next season/conference.
New team needs their playing style in their rebuilding process. The player does fit in the rotation.
The player does not get minutes in the former team. The player wants his butt lifted of from the bench.
The former team trades the player to the new team in exchange of another player. Lopsided or not, it is still under the approval of the Commissioner.
The former team disbands (RIP) or the former team gets timeout (COMA). No team, no play, player scrambles for employment.

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Figure 2

From figure 1, the players with more frequent tours are Rich Alvarez and Mark Telan. Others are Mark Isip, Gilbert Lao, Billy Mamaril and Ali Peek.

Only four of these guys’ tours are visualized in Figure 2.

We discuss Rich Alvarez’ journeys. Rich started with Shell. He was their prized rookie on those times. Played with Alaska for a while before suiting up for Red Bull (Barako Bull). Transferred then to Purefoods (B-MEG) and was then dealt with Ginebra. Last team he played with was with Air 21 before getting into wearing Talk and Text uniform. Out of possible 13 teams, he has been into seven. This is about almost 50% of the PBA.

Having toured those teams, Alvarez has had hard time of truly making a mark in the league though he was a main fixture of the Ateneo, UAAP champions. Transferring from one team to another gives him the frequent adjustment to the “new” team’s system of coaching and playing. Inserting himself into a line-up from one or two seasons to another, offers instability in his playing time and performance. As they say, “…a rolling stone gathered no moss.”

But this is however contrary to Ali Peek’ experience. Peek has been into six different teams counting Talk and Text as two places for him. Right now at TnT, he is playing as a dominating center at the middle. He gives the team a force to reckon with at both ends of the court. He fits into the system. But it does not mean he was a fit also in his former teams. Because if he is, he won’t journey through his own tours.

Comparing Peek and Alvarez, tours in the PBA might turn out to be pleasant or not. But in any journey, you just have to move on from one place to another until you find your own place under the sun.

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http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ace637cef9fa404795d4e65166d1f191?s=48&d=identicon&r=G bastichos | March 16, 2011 at 6:53 am (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/#comment-25) | Reply (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/?replytocom=25#respond)
Nag improve kasi si Peek, si Alvarez naman naging showbiz.




http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/121ff00062aec97368a037933bf8e0c8?s=48&d=identicon&r=G ebcano | March 16, 2011 at 2:53 pm (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/#comment-26) | Reply (http://headwindscore.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/jouneys-men/?replytocom=26#respond)
hehehe, nag-asawa ba naman ng singer…lol
Kidding aside, Rich Alvarez style of play was effective in college as in jack of all trades. Can defend, can make occasional shots, can rebound, etc. In the PBA, there is a specialization required to make a mark. You just can’t be good in everything, I guess. He has no mid range jumper or a post move to begin with.



Thanks for dropping by bro!

[Big Ticket]

The San Miguel group has been lobbying to allow swapping of imports between sister teams.

Since Ginebra would be handicapped with a 6'2 import next conference.

Do you think Brumfield could bring better results than David Young (San Miguel) and Courtney Beasley (BMeg) ?

Who between Petron and BMeg would Nate Brumfield fit-in better?

no need for swapping as all SMC teams (along with TNT) will have 6'2 imports next conference...

[EaglesEye]

no need for swapping as all SMC teams (along with TNT) will have 6'2 imports next conference...

Really? I thought San Miguel will have a 6'4" import.

By the way, could anybody show us the placings of the teams
based on their Philippine Cup and Commissioner's Cup standings?

[jamalsampson]

FORMULA TO KNOW RANKING FOR IMPORT HANDICAPPING

2010–11 PBA Philippine Cup

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 1 x 60% = 0.6
San Miguel Beermen: 2 x 60% = 1.2
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 3 x 60% = 1.8
B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 4 x 60% = 2.4
Meralco Bolts: 5 x 60% = 3.0
Alaska Aces: 6 x 60% = 3.6
Air21 Express: 7 x 60% = 4.2
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 8 x 60% = 4.8
Powerade Tigers: 9 x 60% = 5.4
Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 10 x 60% = 6.0

2011 PBA Commissioner's Cup

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 1 x 40% = 0.4
Smart Gilas: Guest Team
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 2 x 40% = 0.8
Alaska Aces: 3 x 40% = 1.2
Air21 Express: 4 x 40% = 1.6
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 5 x 40% = 2.0
B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 6 x 40% = 2.4
Meralco Bolts: 7 x 40% = 2.8
Powerade Tigers: 8 x 40% = 3.2
San Miguel Beermen: 9 x 40% = 3.6
Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 10 x 40% = 4.0

Import Handicapping *:

6'2" Import

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 0.6 + 0.4 = 1.0
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 1.8 + 0.8 = 2.6
San Miguel Beermen: 1.2 + 3.6 = 4.8

6'4" Import

B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 2.4 + 2.4 = 4.8
Alaska Aces: 3.6 + 1.2 = 4.8
Meralco Bolts: 3.0 + 2.8 = 5.8
Air21 Express: 4.2 + 1.6 = 5.8

6'6" Import

Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 4.8 + 2.0 = 6.8
Powerade Tigers: 5.4 + 3.2 = 8.6

Leave of Absence

Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 6.0 + 4.0 = 10.0

* - Am not sure but based on Fidel Mangonan's tweet messages.

[EaglesEye]

FORMULA TO KNOW RANKING FOR IMPORT HANDICAPPING

2010–11 PBA Philippine Cup

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 1 x 60% = 0.6
San Miguel Beermen: 2 x 60% = 1.2
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 3 x 60% = 1.8
B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 4 x 60% = 2.4
Meralco Bolts: 5 x 60% = 3.0
Alaska Aces: 6 x 60% = 3.6
Air21 Express: 7 x 60% = 4.2
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 8 x 60% = 4.8
Powerade Tigers: 9 x 60% = 5.4
Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 10 x 60% = 6.0

2011 PBA Commissioner's Cup

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 1 x 40% = 0.4
Smart Gilas: Guest Team
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 2 x 40% = 0.8
Alaska Aces: 3 x 40% = 1.2
Air21 Express: 4 x 40% = 1.6
Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 5 x 40% = 2.0
B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 6 x 40% = 2.4
Meralco Bolts: 7 x 40% = 2.8
Powerade Tigers: 8 x 40% = 3.2
San Miguel Beermen: 9 x 40% = 3.6
Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 10 x 40% = 4.0

Import Handicapping *:

6'2" Import

Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters: 0.6 + 0.4 = 1.0
Barangay Ginebra Kings: 1.8 + 0.8 = 2.6
San Miguel Beermen: 1.2 + 3.6 = 4.8

6'4" Import

B-Meg Derby Ace Llamados: 2.4 + 2.4 = 4.8
Alaska Aces: 3.6 + 1.2 = 4.8
Meralco Bolts: 3.0 + 2.8 = 5.8
Air21 Express: 4.2 + 1.6 = 5.8

6'6" Import

Rain or Shine Elasto Painters: 4.8 + 2.0 = 6.8
Powerade Tigers: 5.4 + 3.2 = 8.6

Leave of Absence

Barako Bull Energy Boosters: 6.0 + 4.0 = 10.0

* - Am not sure but based on Fidel Mangonan's tweet messages.

Ah okey, as corrected.

So San Miguel will have a 6'2" import.

But based on the computation above, still one of the 3 SMC teams will have a 6'4" import (B-Meg).
Therefore, it's still possible that either Young or Brumfield will be released to
play for the Llamados, then in return, Beasley (who stands less than 6'2" in PBA standard) will reinforce either San Miguel or Ginebra.

[Big Ticket]

Ah okey, as corrected.

So San Miguel will have a 6'2" import.

But based on the computation above, still one of the 3 SMC teams will have a 6'4" import (B-Meg).
Therefore, it's still possible that either Young or Brumfield will be released to
play for the Llamados, then in return, Beasley (who stands less than 6'2" in PBA standard) will reinforce either San Miguel or Ginebra.

no, teams 9th and 10th will have 6'6 imports....barako is team #10 if they plan to play in the 3rd conference....

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6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56908728850591745)

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BARAKO GOV. RAFFY CASYAO: Maraming inquiries ngayon sa team namin. Mga prospective buyers. Pero parang hanggang tanong lang.
6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56909178492563457)

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BARAKO GOV. RAFFY CASYAO: Yung application ng PHOENIX yun talaga ang pinakasayang. Kaya nila talagang bumuo ng isang super competitive team.
6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56909331039387648)

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6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56909622702915584)

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BARAKO GOV. RAFFY CASYAO: Maraming inquiries ngayon sa team namin. Mga prospective buyers. Pero parang hanggang tanong lang.
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BARAKO GOV. RAFFY CASYAO: Yung application ng PHOENIX yun talaga ang pinakasayang. Kaya nila talagang bumuo ng isang super competitive team.
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hey SMC! look at what you did to Barako?!! :mad:

[silverwing]

hey SMC! look at what you did to Barako?!! :mad:

I guess Barako moveon already so we should do the same.
SMC has some bad karma this conference. :D

[saints13]

I guess Barako moveon already so we should do the same.
SMC has some bad karma this conference. :D

we really need to move on..hehe..Quarter-Finals na e.

Phoenix could focus their money on some other stuffs...
how bout, fuel discount cards? lolz

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2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/57347985335521280)

lol :d:d:d

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JOHNNY A: Tahimik lang iyang si Nate Brumfield. Hindi makibo. Shy type. Pero kanina nagulat ako bigla akong kinausap. "COACH I'm hungry".
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Johnny A ? abbarientos ? How are they connected ? Anyway NATE should be nourish all the time, because he is a scoring machine :D

[Beastly]

Johnny A ? abbarientos ? How are they connected ? Anyway NATE should be nourish all the time, because he is a scoring machine :D

Johnny is Nate's assistant coach

[nardy]

Johnny A ? abbarientos ? How are they connected ? Anyway NATE should be nourish all the time, because he is a scoring machine :D

Sir Johnny Abbarientos is an Assistant Coach for Special Skills of Ginebra. He has been in that position for a number of years already but when Ginebra needs another Point Guard to straignten-out the team, the Flying A assumes the role of a Playing Assistant Coach.

He has been well compensated by the San Miguel group for said job so that even if Alaska is very persistent in trying to lure back Abarrientos he would not leave Ginebra.

[privateEYE]

He has been well compensated by the San Miguel group for said job so that even if Alaska is very persistent in trying to lure back Abarrientos he would not leave Ginebra.

Okay. Only now I know that Alaska did some move to lure back Johnny A.
All the while, I thought they snub Johnny when he wished that he could retire in Alaska.

Wait...what job did Alaska offered to Johnny?

[nardy]

Okay. Only now I know that Alaska did some move to lure back Johnny A.
All the while, I thought they snub Johnny when he wished that he could retire in Alaska.

Wait...what job did Alaska offered to Johnny?

actually its only lately that the Uytengsus tried to reconcile with Johnny when Alaska celebrated their 25th year anniversary and they offered him a assistant coach position similar to what he is doing at Ginebra but as I said he said thanks but he's already contented with what he has at Ginebra.

[Cryotek]

IF Alaska didn't had a Johnny A. back then, I guess, a grand-slam was really a far-fetched for them in the '90s!;)

[silverwing]

Sir Johnny Abbarientos is an Assistant Coach for Special Skills of Ginebra. He has been in that position for a number of years already but when Ginebra needs another Point Guard to straignten-out the team, the Flying A assumes the role of a Playing Assistant Coach.

He has been well compensated by the San Miguel group for said job so that even if Alaska is very persistent in trying to lure back Abarrientos he would not leave Ginebra.

@bold

Ginebra is really obsessed with the Point Guard Position.lol

@Sir Nards

Thanks for the info, it is only now I know that the Flying A is associated with Ginebra. All of the time I thought Alaska take good care of Johnny A's life after retirement.

[ramjo]

actually its only lately that the Uytengsus tried to reconcile with Johnny when Alaska celebrated their 25th year anniversary and they offered him a assistant coach position similar to what he is doing at Ginebra but as I said he said thanks but he's already contented with what he has at Ginebra.

Probably some "tampo" factor in there as well as a reason for the refusal to go back to Alaska...;)

[Jay P. Mercado]

Probably some "tampo" factor in there as well as a reason for the refusal to go back to Alaska...;)

If I recall it correctly, one of the undisclosed reasons why Alaska gave up on Abarrientos was the rumor that Johnny was allegedly doing drugs. Note that he lost a lot of weight, particularly sometime in 2001 and 2002. Probably affected by this rumor and knowing how Alaska espouses clean living as part of their corporate culture, the team decided to give up Abarrientos (along with Poch Juinio) to Pop Cola (then coached by Chot Reyes) for Ali Peek and Jon Ordonio.

Abarrientos resented this and felt betrayed by Alaska's move to trade him. He vented his ire on the Aces when, on Game 1 of the 2002 All Filipino Finals featuring Pop Cola and Alaska, he became the best player of that game. He didn't finish the series though on account of an injury but his vengeful performance in Game 1 set the tone for a Pop Cola victory.

[silverwing]

If I recall it correctly, one of the undisclosed reasons why Alaska gave up on Abarrientos was the rumor that Johnny was allegedly doing drugs. Note that he lost a lot of weight, particularly sometime in 2001 and 2002. Probably affected by this rumor and knowing how Alaska espouses clean living as part of their corporate culture, the team decided to give up Abarrientos (along with Poch Juinio) to Pop Cola (then coached by Chot Reyes) for Ali Peek and Jon Ordonio.

Abarrientos resented this and felt betrayed by Alaska's move to trade him. He vented his ire on the Aces when, on Game 1 of the 2002 All Filipino Finals featuring Pop Cola and Alaska, he became the best player of that game. He didn't finish the series though on account of an injury but his vengeful performance in Game 1 set the tone for a Pop Cola victory.

Now i remember, there was really a rumor like that. Johnny A suddenly looks hagard during that time he lose weight and his eyes are deep.

[nardy]

Now i remember, there was really a rumor like that. Johnny A suddenly looks hagard during that time he lose weight and his eyes are deep.

during that time Johnny was really deep in his new hobby which is Cock Fighting as he is really an active owner as tends to his chickens night and day which at times caused a lot of lost sleep. From what I heard, Johnny was able to breed a number of Champions.

But he was really deeply hurt with the accusations that he was in drugs and with that other rumor that he was selling games. All of those were not proven and are just mere hearsay.

the "tampo" is because the said accusations came from high officials within the company.

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JOHNNY A: Tahimik lang iyang si Nate Brumfield. Hindi makibo. Shy type. Pero kanina nagulat ako bigla akong kinausap. "COACH I'm hungry".
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LOLZ. i really laugh at this.. :D did johnny a gave brumfield a balut? lolz.. :p

[neo]

what's up about the baguio-simon trade rumor for next conference :confused:?

[Annagyijjk]

The imports will be more expensive .... PBA could change and dispense with the imports.

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GINEBRA will have light practice at 1 PM today at the GREEN MEADOWS. They will review the game last night and discuss adjustments for 2moro
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RAIN OR SHINE had a viewing in their 9 AM to 1 PM practice. Then the team ran plays and focused on adjustments to GINEBRA's offense.
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COACH YENG GUIAO to his men: Kaya naman namin eh. We just have to work harder. Tao lang rin naman yung mga kalaban.
9 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56580558091857920)

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COACH YENG GUIAO: Mahirap na makabalik pero kaya natin iyan. One game at a time. I want to see the true potential of this team bukas.
9 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56580973025964032)

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Nililigawan raw ni Bruno Mars si Venus Raj? Ano yun Venus Mars? ,-)
9 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/56700965906157568)

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Snow to Wesley Gonzales: D kp laro? WG: Alam mo naman ako papi. Big fan ako ng air21. Maupo ako sa bench suot uni4m masaya nko.
10 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/57009690600681473)

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Snow to Wesley part 2: haha, d kb play game 1? WG: Hindi papi, gusto mo kwn2 ko sau mga nangyari. Napanuod ko ng buo un papi.
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NATE BRUMFIELD: We need to take down ROS. Because I believe we have the firepower to beat GILAS in the SEMIS.
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NATE BRUMFIELD: It'll be hard to contain MARCUS DOUTHIT for sure. There's no 6'11" in our team. But we can always find a way.
11 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/57250321386311681)

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NATE BRUMFIELD: I know a way to stop MARCUS. You put in the tallest in the team, YANCY DE OCAMPO. He's not that agile but he can raise his hand, right? Plus YANCEY loves to shoot from the outside, so it means taking DOUTHIT out of the paint. BUT--- that's just a suggestion, I am not the coach!
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GINEBRA STAFF: Sayang natalo kami. Wala sanang practice ngayong 1 PM.
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NATE BRUMFIELD: I only go for American food. I am a picky eater. I don't even eat my Mom's cooking. GINEBRA STAFF: Puro chicken iyan.
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I was lucky enough to share the ride with NATE BRUMFIELD's shuttle last night. Guess where he navigated the van? CHILI's GREENHILLS
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COACH YENG GUIAO: Sabi ko nga sa players ko, di baleng umiskor yung import basta't di siya matutulungan ng locals gaya nila CAGUIOA at TUBID
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COACH YENG: Marami kaming outside shooters na magpapasakit ulit sa ulo ng GINEBRA. Pero sa totoo lang, mas pumatay sa kanila depensa namin
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COACH YENG GUIAO: Yung panalo namin talaga namang may halong tsamba. Sino mag-aakala 15/33 kami sa 3-points. Pero mas may character kami now
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SNOW TO COACH YENG GUIAO: Kaya na bang ituloy tuloy Coach? YG: Kaya iyan. Yung ipinakita ng team kagabi pruweba yun na buo na loob nila
11 Apr (http://twitter.com/#%21/snowbadua/status/57359782062997504)

fun to read this tweets.. :p brumfield is correct. he indicates yancy to field in to defend douthit and has good outside shot.. but coach jong has other ideas.

go Gilas!! :D

[silverwing]

fun to read this tweets.. :p brumfield is correct. he indicates yancy to field in to defend douthit and has good outside shot.. but coach jong has other ideas.

go Gilas!! :D

like playing super small ball 3 PGs at the same time. lol
they have good tall player who burns their bench.hehe

[dxjayrock2008]

like playing super small ball 3 PGs at the same time. lol
they have good tall player who burns their bench.hehe


Smart Gilas small ball is better than BGK small ball. Lol. :D:p

[neo]

Smart Gilas small ball is better than BGK small ball. Lol. :D:p

primarily because their center is a true center (and the tallest and most athletic at that) while ginebra's center has the height of a small forward even in pba standard ;)

[ariel_muhlach]

No .............

Ginebra has Willy Wilson to match-up with Douthit.

Isn't they that good Kiko!

Kiko! Kiko! Kiko! Please talk to Ginebra's veteran players to wake-up.

Show that you are the better team than Rain Or Shine.

Don't tell me you guys are intimidated of Yeng Guiao.

Are we going to hear again Coach Yeng shout 'Ginebra Panis' !!!!

[neo]

No .............

Ginebra has Willy Wilson to match-up with Douthit.

Isn't they that good Kiko!

Kiko! Kiko! Kiko! Please talk to Ginebra's veteran players to wake-up.

Show that you are the better team than Rain Or Shine.

Don't tell me you guys are intimidated of Yeng Guiao.

Are we going to hear again Coach Yeng shout 'Ginebra Panis' !!!!

i'd say bgk over ros for tonight's game. double digit lead.

if bgk lose, they should fire uichico and get chua.

[silverwing]

primarily because their center is a true center (and the tallest and most athletic at that) while ginebra's center has the height of a small forward even in pba standard ;)

I disagree mate, they have good tall players which for PBA standard can play the PF and Center position.

Yancy de Ocampo 6' 9"
Eric Menk 6' 6"
Enrico Villanueva 6' 5"
John Billy Mamaril 6' 5"

Ginebra is just to obsess on super small ball. Most of the time you will see 2-3PG inside. hehe

[neo]

I disagree mate, they have good tall players which for PBA standard can play the PF and Center position.

Yancy de Ocampo 6' 9"
Eric Menk 6' 6"
Enrico Villanueva 6' 5"
John Billy Mamaril 6' 5"

Ginebra is just to obsess on super small ball. Most of the time you will see 2-3PG inside. hehe

what are u disagreeing? my post was referring to the fact that bgk uses nate as center instead of using him as pf and utilizing the likes of yancy more :). ergo, bgk small ball is too small.

[nardy]

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oh and "cute" scene at the buzzer: SMC Execs Robert Non, Rene Pardo cheering & giving high 5s to Air21's Lito Alvarez. Close talaga sila ;)
18 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/tjmanotoc/status/58124095774138368)

[silverwing]

what are u disagreeing? my post was referring to the fact that bgk uses nate as center instead of using him as pf and utilizing the likes of yancy more :). ergo, bgk small ball is too small.

point noted mate, you didn't mention Nate's name thats why i disagree on the bold phrase below. :) nevertheless I hope Coach Jong can change his approach for this do or die game.


primarily because their center is a true center (and the tallest and most athletic at that) while ginebra's center has the height of a small forward even in pba standard ;)

[nardy]

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Good import key for ousted teams

By BRIAN YALUNG
April 14, 2011, 12:05am


MANILA, Philippines – With the PBA Commissioner’s Cup in its semifinal stages, the four eliminated teams are sure to be shopping for the proper reinforcement to boost their chances next conference.


While it was reported that Barako Bull may be coming back since the Phoenix Fuel bid was turned down, the Barakos and the Powerade Tigers will have the luxury of fielding in an import with a max height of 6-foot-6.
Other teams will have slightly smaller ones with Petron (SMB), Ginebra, B-Meg and Talk 'N Text only allowed an import no taller than 6-foot-2 while Alaska, Air21, Meralco and Rain or Shine can get a reinforcement up to 6-foot-4.


The basis for the computation of the import height limit was done based on team performance – 60% during the PBA Philippine Cup and 40% from the current PBA Commissioner’s Cup.


To date, no actual names have floated on who will reinforce who although as far as the ones with the 6-foot-6 ceiling is concerned, fans are hoping that Gabe Freeman or even Diamon Simpson will be back for another tour of duty – perhaps for other teams.


Since both players stand 6-foot-6, they can play for either Powerade or Barako Bull.


The Powerade Tigers can certainly get a big lift from the advantage in import ceiling. The Tigers are sorely lacking in height and muscle but with the luxury of having a 6-foot-6 import, they, for sure, can make a big roar in the coming conference.


The Tigers have the aging Dennis Espino, JR Quinahan, Rob Reyes, Ricky Calimag, Norman Gonzales and Francis Allera in their front line. Compared to other teams, that is a lean roster which is thankfully made up by the hot shooting guards led by Gary David and Mark Macapagal.


Powerade originally had man-mountain Asi Taulava in their lineup. Aging as well, Asi was traded to the Meralco Bolts in September last year for Jason Misolas and Khazim Mirza.

[insulares]

the Barakos ..................will have the luxury of fielding in an import with a max height of 6-foot-6.

Let's rephrase that.

This bankrupt team will have the "luxury" of sinking its payroll further by fielding a more expensive import. :D

Of course, a taller import option is a nice perk to dangle when you put up that "For Sale" sign for potential buyers with money to burn.

Isn't this the same team that announced they were getting 6'9" Karl Malone?

I guess they're closer to that dream (just 3 more inches). All they need now is a big bank heist. :D:D

[than11]

BGK will not win a single game in the semis against Gilas if Nate continues to play like he did in Game 3 of the QF..Maybe he is hungry again.."Di ata nagets ng Ginebra, dagdagan daw sahod!" trans: he should be fed well..as in really well..:p

[lovejones]

BGK will not win a single game in the semis against Gilas if Nate continues to play like he did in Game 3 of the QF..Maybe he is hungry again.."Di ata nagets ng Ginebra, dagdagan daw sahod!" trans: he should be fed well..as in really well..:p

It has been reported that Marcus Douthit woudn't be able to play for several games or the whole semis because of a broken finger. If that's the case, I guess BGK would have a chance.

[neo]

i'd say bgk over ros for tonight's game. double digit lead.

if bgk lose, they should fire uichico and get chua.

as i said last night, it's money on the bank for bgk D

[saints13]

nice prediction neo. :) I've predicted the opposite. :mad:

btw, during the elimination round between Gilas and Ginebra, Marcus Douthit was the insurance player...he was responsible for keeping Ginebra at bay and was also responsible for the "W".

without Douthit, I doubt if Gilas can manhandle Ginebra..but on the other hand, I think this is going to be a blockbuster between Gilas fans and. Ginebra fans. Considering that Gilas w/o Douthit would be the underdogs, hope they give a tough fight without being hurt or injured.

[weward]

Ginebra will win.;):(:)
i dont care whoever wins that game. as long as there would be no injuries on the gilas side..:cool:

If Caguioa is indeed back to his old form, Lassiter would have a hard night.

[neo]

Ginebra will win.;):(:)
i dont care whoever wins that game. as long as there would be no injuries on the gilas side..:cool:

If Caguioa is indeed back to his old form, Lassiter would have a hard night.

lassiter would give bgk's wings a hard time. i expect a psy war between him and tubid.

if bgk would play zone defense like they did in game 2, gilas will have a field say outside.

it would be a good experience for gilas playing in a loud environment where the opposing team has the bigger crowd support and perhaps refs support.

other than that, there is not much gilas would learn from this series. the most challenging game for gilas would be game 1 and game 5 (if the series goes the distance).

[silverwing]

Ginebra will win.;):(:)
i dont care whoever wins that game. as long as there would be no injuries on the gilas side..:cool:

If Caguioa is indeed back to his old form, Lassiter would have a hard night.

Good match up, but my vote goes to Lassiter for overall performance.

[dxjayrock2008]

Good match up, but my vote goes to Lassiter for overall performance.


Let Marcio Lassiter guard Rob Labagala. Lol. :D

[saints13]

during their elims. round game, Caguioa consistently pulled baseline jumpers over the helpless JV Casio. Gilas needs a total team effort to stop the Ginebra's one-on-one offense. it was this kind of kamikaze offense which kept the game close...close enough to make Douthit hustle for the "W".

on the other hand, I want to see more minutes for JC Intal and especially some time for Yancy de Ocampo, bumobondat na sya sa bench ng Ginebra.

[nardy]

that's the sad fact about it .... SMART GILAS to a lot of basketball fans in our country today identify it as just a ordinary commercial basketball team which is currently playing against their favorite PBA team. But that is also what happened when Northern Cement Consolidated (NCC) also played in the PBA, and just like NCC, they consider "bagong salta" over achieving and saying they are just winning because they have an Import. To them even how hard you explain that Marcus Douthit or then at NCC time Dennis Still, Jeff Moore and Chip Engelland that they're Filipinos or Naturalized Filipinos, they would not listen because to them they are still imports.

I am now telling just like NCC in the past, even if Gilas wins the PBA Championship their perception would not change. Same thing even if they win in FIBA-ASIA, you'll even hear "tsamba" or they did it because of the PBA Reinforcements and the Import. To them even if they reached the Olympics it is nothing, a number of them would not even care if assuming we beat Lithuania, Serbia or Slovenia for example because to be honest a lot of them doesn't even know of this countries but if we do the impossible and upset Team USA or at least lose by a small margin that's when a lot of these critics would be converted. But to majority even a decent finish in London would not mean a thing as to them Smart Gilas is just a newbie commercial team.

But the same as NCC, when the SMART GILAS has disbanded at its players become the Superstars of the PBA, that's the time the fans who had also aged would come to appreciate that SMART GILAS was a good program and is the National Team that should followed and copied.

Its really the way NCC and SMART GILAS was marketed and promoted. Just look at Spain even if there is a large advertisement of San Miguel Beer in their uniforms, to the fans and to the media they are Team Espana. Same thing with the Australian Boomers and Argentina who has a lot of Ads placed in their uniforms, despite that they're still Team Australia and Team Argentina respectively.

Our media really emphasized it so much that they are the NCC team or SMART GILAS so that is what a lot of fans project them to be and not TEAM PILIPINAS. It was unlike in the past when a National Team is formed it is called as such even if they play in exhibition games or at Invitationals. What you see in their uniforms is a simple RP, PI, PHIL, Philippines, Pilipinas, a Philippine Flag, Philippine Coat of Arms, etc. Then if the National Team played a commercial team or a school team, the press identify the team in their news as the Nationals or RP Team.

[Joe Yabuki]

BGK will not win a single game in the semis against Gilas if Nate continues to play like he did in Game 3 of the QF..Maybe he is hungry again.."Di ata nagets ng Ginebra, dagdagan daw sahod!" trans: he should be fed well..as in really well..:p

Nate Brumfield's twitter:(got it from PEX, dont bother checking his twitter, its set on private)


12 April 21nate
Nate Brumfield
Gotta get this win tonite.. But If we lose im tryna fly home first thing in tha morning, not tryna be here no longer than i have too..


dude's homesick. a Typical import tweet would be something like "not going home yet" like what LD Williams of Alaska said.

This may end up as an all filipino affair

[Jay P. Mercado]

There remains a perception that the best players in the country today are in the PBA. It's the same thing that happened when the MBA was directly involved in the formation of the national team in 1999 up to 2001 - while they were the national team, the perception remained that they were not made up of the best players in the country.

At the same time, this is further compounded by how Filipino basketball fans still consider having the best team in the country being made up of the best players. While there may be logic in this regard, history says otherwise. The last time we were successful in the Asian region was our victory in the 1986 ABC. Our national team was made up of two naturalized players and ten amateur standouts. To say that Calma was better than Jaworski or Brown back then was ridiculous. To claim that Allan Caidic was the best shooter back then was an insult to Bogs Adornado or Atoy Co. Yet, even if the national team didn't have the best players, they were still victorious.

Basketball fans are united when they rally around national teams that are made up of the best players in the PBA. The present national team doesn't get the same adulation or cult following. Much of this travesty is because of the fans' unawareness of who the present national team players are. And when they do start learning who these are, they compare them with their pro counterparts. True enough, the amateurs end up with the shorter end of the comparison stick.

Despite all these, I may have to partly disagree with Nardy when he said that the national team isn't being marketed well. To a certain degree, that's correct. Which is why the PBA exposure is critical for them to get mass following. But note that Nardy compared the marketing aspect with the national teams of Spain, Australia and Argentina. These are teams that are known for their team play rather than the individual skills of the players.

I believe this is the root cause of the problem. To the Filipino fan, basketball is a sport made up of 5 talented players forming a team. Our international counterparts look at it in the opposite direction - that they are a team made up of talented players. It may look like there's no difference between these two statements but if you read closely, it means that we're more indulged to individualism rather than team play. Hence, when you go back, it's the very same reason why Filipino fans prefer to have the best players representing us. Fans disregard the fact that basketball is all about being a team, and the best team may not necessarily be made up of the best players.

Perhaps, this mentality was developed and cemented into the Filipino basketball fan psyche because of our partiality to the American-style of game - where one-on-one plays, highlight reel dunks, and sensational crossover moves are cherished compared to solid team play anchored on brisk passing, looking for the open man, constant ball and player movement, etc. Our craving for basketball is borne out of the excitement that it brings to the table - not for the precision of the execution.

Which is why I feel that the NCC program being disbanded was a huge step backwards to the development of the sport in the Philippines. Ron Jacobs made some basketball fans look at the sport differently, and how it should be played with efficiency to generate the best result. Instead, we fell back to the individualistic tendencies of our players - the plays that glamorize them. With all the knowledge they've learned from Jacobs, the guys like Samboy Lim and Allan Caidic eventually had to adjust their games accordingly when they turned pro as this was what the league and their teams dictated. Add to the fact that when the US Dream Team won in 1992 made up of eleven of the best NBA players in their respective positions, it further cemented the belief that only the best players were deserving to be part of the national team.

Let's hope Coach Rajko Toroman and his national team would change all these. Let's hope that the program would be continued, to further educate the Filipino fan as to how basketball should truly be played.

[silverwing]

that's the sad fact about it .... SMART GILAS to a lot of basketball fans in our country today identify it as just a ordinary commercial basketball team which is currently playing against their favorite PBA team. But that is also what happened when Northern Cement Consolidated (NCC) also played in the PBA, and just like NCC, they consider "bagong salta" over achieving and saying they are just winning because they have an Import. To them even how hard you explain that Marcus Douthit or then at NCC time Dennis Still, Jeff Moore and Chip Engelland that they're Filipinos or Naturalized Filipinos, they would not listen because to them they are still imports.

I am now telling just like NCC in the past, even if Gilas wins the PBA Championship their perception would not change. Same thing even if they win in FIBA-ASIA, you'll even hear "tsamba" or they did it because of the PBA Reinforcements and the Import. To them even if they reached the Olympics it is nothing, a number of them would not even care if assuming we beat Lithuania, Serbia or Slovenia for example because to be honest a lot of them doesn't even know of this countries but if we do the impossible and upset Team USA or at least lose by a small margin that's when a lot of these critics would be converted. But to majority even a decent finish in London would not mean a thing as to them Smart Gilas is just a newbie commercial team.

But the same as NCC, when the SMART GILAS has disbanded at its players become the Superstars of the PBA, that's the time the fans who had also aged would come to appreciate that SMART GILAS was a good program and is the National Team that should followed and copied.

Its really the way NCC and SMART GILAS was marketed and promoted. Just look at Spain even if there is a large advertisement of San Miguel Beer in their uniforms, to the fans and to the media they are Team Espana. Same thing with the Australian Boomers and Argentina who has a lot of Ads placed in their uniforms, despite that they're still Team Australia and Team Argentina respectively.

Our media really emphasized it so much that they are the NCC team or SMART GILAS so that is what a lot of fans project them to be and not TEAM PILIPINAS. It was unlike in the past when a National Team is formed it is called as such even if they play in exhibition games or at Invitationals. What you see in their uniforms is a simple RP, PI, PHIL, Philippines, Pilipinas, a Philippine Flag, Philippine Coat of Arms, etc. Then if the National Team played a commercial team or a school team, the press identify the team in their news as the Nationals or RP Team.

So I think the best way is to standardize the uniform of current and future NT Team, instead of sponsor name in the middle it should always be Philippines, TEAM PILIPINAS or Pilipinas. then sponsors can just have their logos or name on the shorts or corner of the jersey. With this, maybe most of the fans would easily accept our NT team, as their NT not be treated as another Club/Commercial team.

[Alex07]

There remains a perception that the best players in the country today are in the PBA. It's the same thing that happened when the MBA was directly involved in the formation of the national team in 1999 up to 2001 - while they were the national team, the perception remained that they were not made up of the best players in the country.

At the same time, this is further compounded by how Filipino basketball fans still consider having the best team in the country being made up of the best players. While there may be logic in this regard, history says otherwise. The last time we were successful in the Asian region was our victory in the 1986 ABC. Our national team was made up of two naturalized players and ten amateur standouts. To say that Calma was better than Jaworski or Brown back then was ridiculous. To claim that Allan Caidic was the best shooter back then was an insult to Bogs Adornado or Atoy Co. Yet, even if the national team didn't have the best players, they were still victorious.

Basketball fans are united when they rally around national teams that are made up of the best players in the PBA. The present national team doesn't get the same adulation or cult following. Much of this travesty is because of the fans' unawareness of who the present national team players are. And when they do start learning who these are, they compare them with their pro counterparts. True enough, the amateurs end up with the shorter end of the comparison stick.

Despite all these, I may have to partly disagree with Nardy when he said that the national team isn't being marketed well. To a certain degree, that's correct. Which is why the PBA exposure is critical for them to get mass following. But note that Nardy compared the marketing aspect with the national teams of Spain, Australia and Argentina. These are teams that are known for their team play rather than the individual skills of the players.

I believe this is the root cause of the problem. To the Filipino fan, basketball is a sport made up of 5 talented players forming a team. Our international counterparts look at it in the opposite direction - that they are a team made up of talented players. It may look like there's no difference between these two statements but if you read closely, it means that we're more indulged to individualism rather than team play. Hence, when you go back, it's the very same reason why Filipino fans prefer to have the best players representing us. Fans disregard the fact that basketball is all about being a team, and the best team may not necessarily be made up of the best players.

Perhaps, this mentality was developed and cemented into the Filipino basketball fan psyche because of our partiality to the American-style of game - where one-on-one plays, highlight reel dunks, and sensational crossover moves are cherished compared to solid team play anchored on brisk passing, looking for the open man, constant ball and player movement, etc. Our craving for basketball is borne out of the excitement that it brings to the table - not for the precision of the execution.

Which is why I feel that the NCC program being disbanded was a huge step backwards to the development of the sport in the Philippines. Ron Jacobs made some basketball fans look at the sport differently, and how it should be played with efficiency to generate the best result. Instead, we fell back to the individualistic tendencies of our players - the plays that glamorize them. With all the knowledge they've learned from Jacobs, the guys like Samboy Lim and Allan Caidic eventually had to adjust their games accordingly when they turned pro as this was what the league and their teams dictated. Add to the fact that when the US Dream Team won in 1992 made up of eleven of the best NBA players in their respective positions, it further cemented the belief that only the best players were deserving to be part of the national team.

Let's hope Coach Rajko Toroman and his national team would change all these. Let's hope that the program would be continued, to further educate the Filipino fan as to how basketball should truly be played.

while the Azkals can't barely beat the Indonesians but have a solid fan base..and they say this is a basketball nation lol

[neo]

while the Azkals can't barely beat the Indonesians but have a solid fan base..and they say this is a basketball nation lol

its because in terms of football, the azkals is all there is in the philippines.

[neo]

Nate Brumfield's twitter:(got it from PEX, dont bother checking his twitter, its set on private)



dude's homesick. a Typical import tweet would be something like "not going home yet" like what LD Williams of Alaska said.

This may end up as an all filipino affair

if that happens, there would always be imports available to replace him. nope, it would not be an all-filipino affair.

[ariel_muhlach]

Nate Brumfield's twitter:(got it from PEX, dont bother checking his twitter, its set on private)



dude's homesick. a Typical import tweet would be something like "not going home yet" like what LD Williams of Alaska said.

This may end up as an all filipino affair

actually this is the usual 'feeling' of imports who usually gotten a better offer elsewhere or when an import demanded something and management refuse to give-in to the demand. (eg. fly-in family/girlfriend for free or a raise)

[momax]

that's the sad fact about it .... SMART GILAS to a lot of basketball fans in our country today identify it as just a ordinary commercial basketball team which is currently playing against their favorite PBA team. But that is also what happened when Northern Cement Consolidated (NCC) also played in the PBA, and just like NCC, they consider "bagong salta" over achieving and saying they are just winning because they have an Import. To them even how hard you explain that Marcus Douthit or then at NCC time Dennis Still, Jeff Moore and Chip Engelland that they're Filipinos or Naturalized Filipinos, they would not listen because to them they are still imports.

I am now telling just like NCC in the past, even if Gilas wins the PBA Championship their perception would not change. Same thing even if they win in FIBA-ASIA, you'll even hear "tsamba" or they did it because of the PBA Reinforcements and the Import. To them even if they reached the Olympics it is nothing, a number of them would not even care if assuming we beat Lithuania, Serbia or Slovenia for example because to be honest a lot of them doesn't even know of this countries but if we do the impossible and upset Team USA or at least lose by a small margin that's when a lot of these critics would be converted. But to majority even a decent finish in London would not mean a thing as to them Smart Gilas is just a newbie commercial team.

But the same as NCC, when the SMART GILAS has disbanded at its players become the Superstars of the PBA, that's the time the fans who had also aged would come to appreciate that SMART GILAS was a good program and is the National Team that should followed and copied.

Its really the way NCC and SMART GILAS was marketed and promoted. Just look at Spain even if there is a large advertisement of San Miguel Beer in their uniforms, to the fans and to the media they are Team Espana. Same thing with the Australian Boomers and Argentina who has a lot of Ads placed in their uniforms, despite that they're still Team Australia and Team Argentina respectively.

Our media really emphasized it so much that they are the NCC team or SMART GILAS so that is what a lot of fans project them to be and not TEAM PILIPINAS. It was unlike in the past when a National Team is formed it is called as such even if they play in exhibition games or at Invitationals. What you see in their uniforms is a simple RP, PI, PHIL, Philippines, Pilipinas, a Philippine Flag, Philippine Coat of Arms, etc. Then if the National Team played a commercial team or a school team, the press identify the team in their news as the Nationals or RP Team.

So let us start here. May i suggest that whenever we refer to our National Team in any of our forums we should not call it Smart Gilas but TEAM PILIPINAS !

[-«miron»-]

So let us start here. May i suggest that whenever we refer to our National Team in any of our forums we should not call it Smart Gilas but TEAM PILIPINAS !

i think we can also call them GILAS PILIPINAS!

[dxjayrock2008]

So let us start here. May i suggest that whenever we refer to our National Team in any of our forums we should not call it Smart Gilas but TEAM PILIPINAS !



Or the more appropriate term will be Pilipinas National Basketball Team/RP 5.

[SG 3000]

Or the more appropriate term will be Pilipinas National Basketball Team/RP 5.

PH 5 or PHI 5 na dapat diba?

[redblooded]

PH 5 or PHI 5 na dapat diba?

sounds like feminine wash...hehehe:D

[pm4hisglory]

bro this is not the right thread to post this. please delete your post and transfer it to Filipino Ballers in the US...News and Updates (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/filipino-ballers-in-the-us-news-8569/p130.html).

delete yours

[ariel_muhlach]

delete yours

HEY newbie the guy is right, FORUM RULES require us users to post at the appropriate Threads and we cannot just post anything we want at any Thread we want even if there is no relation let's say like in this Thread which should involve only PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours so if you are not yet a PBA Player nor at least not been included yet in the PBA Draft then there is a proper Thread for your post to be taken up.

[boypana]

PH 5 or PHI 5 na dapat diba?

I think its PHL 5

[rspk]

there seems to be a trade rumor.

Joe de Vance for Arwind


http://www.patriciahizon.com/2011/04/swapping-stars.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FYreq+%28Locker+Roo m%29


Swapping Stars
Whatever the reason is,
Whatever the price,
There's an offer on the table,
The terms are nice.

It's been Just an Over Exagerrated rumor
for
All Rumors We Indeed Note, Definitely affects the outcome.

Looks like a good deal to me
Especially if one is asking to be free.

[nowitzki_21]

@snowbadua snow badua
DERBY ACE, TALK N TEXT reportedly negotiated with the handlers of ALLEN IVERSON as import for the coming 3rd CONFERENCE.



@snowbadua snow badua
Problem with AI: He is so epxensive and he only wants to play for 20 minutes.

[weward]

@snowbadua snow badua
DERBY ACE, TALK N TEXT reportedly negotiated with the handlers of ALLEN IVERSON as import for the coming 3rd CONFERENCE.



@snowbadua snow badua
Problem with AI: He is so epxensive and he only wants to play for 20 minutes.

Iran reportedly tried to lure Iverson in the last edition of the FIBA-Asia Champion's cup. I wonder what happened on why it didnt push-tru..
If it happened, Chris Tiu could've elbowed Iverson and that would be awesome!!!

Imagine Arboleda Guarding Iverson...That would be trouble...:D
We need AI to bring back the buzz in the PBA..even for just 3 games..

Xw_yVjiEgAc

[kikomatsing]

IVERSON for BGK movement!
:)

[saints13]

Iran reportedly tried to lure Iverson in the last edition of the FIBA-Asia Champion's cup. I wonder what happened on why it didnt push-tru..
If it happened, Chris Tiu could've elbowed Iverson and that would be awesome!!!

Imagine Arboleda Guarding Iverson...That would be trouble...:D
We need AI to bring back the buzz in the PBA..even for just 3 games..

Xw_yVjiEgAc

the once proud and arrogant...already a journeyman. :rolleyes:

what are the chances of AI joining the PBA?
he looks disinterested, I don't remember if he even smiled
for a long while when he visited the PBA a decade ago (maybe),
buti pa si Kobe, pakitang gilas sa fans, nagdunk sa Araneta.

[durden_tyler]

Apparently what AI was asking for was quadruple the (PBA's) cap for a player?

i don't know, maybe that's good investment. This is Allen Iverson, he'd still attract hordes of fans even for 20 minutes :D

(On a more serious note, he'll seriously hurt his team's chances if this happens)

[lovejones]

Did you guys see this latest blind item from patricia hizon? Highly intriguing.

http://www.patriciahizon.com/2011/04/swapping-stars.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FYreq+%28Locker+Roo m%29


Whatever the reason is,
Whatever the price,
There's an offer on the table,
The terms are nice.

It's been Just an Over Exagerrated rumor
for
All Rumors We Indeed Note, Definitely affects the outcome.

Looks like a good deal to me
Especially if one is asking to be free.


Joe for Arwind? As in JDV for Arwind? As in Joe will be playing 4, JWash will slide to 3 and Rabeh will hold the fort at 5 kind of thing?

Mind blowing.

I can only see this coming true if SMB adds its first round pick/s for the 2011 draft to the package.

Your thoughts?

[Jay P. Mercado]

Hard to understand why Tim Cone would want Arwind Santos for his team. Not because Santos is a slouch, on the contrary, he's arguably the most versatile player in the league today, capable of playing multiple positions and may be the league's best defender as well.

The thing is, Santos thrives when he's allowed to adlib during games. He did very well with Air 21 under Coach Bo Perasol simply because he was allowed to do so. He floundered under Yeng Guiao because, while Guiao allows free-wheeling, Santos takes a lot of bad shots that compromises the fluidity of their offense. Santos also takes a lot of defensive risks, something that a scientific coach like Cone would definitely abhor.

On the other hand, Devance is a perfect fit for Cone's triangle. He may not be as skilled as Santos, or has the defensive capability of the 6'3 former FEU standout, but Devance's potential was exploited while playing within the Cone system. From how I see it, I can't see Santos doing well under Cone's system unless he becomes more disciplined while Devance is the type who does well while working within a system. I don't think this would be beneficial for both teams.

[durden_tyler]

Hard to understand why Tim Cone would want Arwind Santos for his team. Not because Santos is a slouch, on the contrary, he's arguably the most versatile player in the league today, capable of playing multiple positions and may be the league's best defender as well.

The thing is, Santos thrives when he's allowed to adlib during games. He did very well with Air 21 under Coach Bo Perasol simply because he was allowed to do so. He floundered under Yeng Guiao because, while Guiao allows free-wheeling, Santos takes a lot of bad shots that compromises the fluidity of their offense. Santos also takes a lot of defensive risks, something that a scientific coach like Cone would definitely abhor.

On the other hand, Devance is a perfect fit for Cone's triangle. He may not be as skilled as Santos, or has the defensive capability of the 6'3 former FEU standout, but Devance's potential was exploited while playing within the Cone system. From how I see it, I can't see Santos doing well under Cone's system unless he becomes more disciplined while Devance is the type who does well while working within a system. I don't think this would be beneficial for both teams.

Unless both players have a sour relationship with their respective coaches--which is not unimaginable. i guess, you'd have to give in to the (trade) demands one way or the other.

[Jay P. Mercado]

No disagreement there DT, except that these are both square pegs in round holes. Jay Washington would be a better fit for Alaska if they want to give up on Devance, while Devance may find himself more of a fit for TnT since Chot Reyes' system is almost similar to Cone's.

[durden_tyler]

No disagreement there DT, except that these are both square pegs in round holes. Jay Washington would be a better fit for Alaska if they want to give up on Devance, while Devance may find himself more of a fit for TnT since Chot Reyes' system is almost similar to Cone's.

i agree but if they just want player value i guess that's a fair one to get and maybe just flip them over for another player in the future.

[theImbaguy]

No disagreement there DT, except that these are both square pegs in round holes. Jay Washington would be a better fit for Alaska if they want to give up on Devance, while Devance may find himself more of a fit for TnT since Chot Reyes' system is almost similar to Cone's.

jdv for jwash... sure...
jdv for arwind... hell no!!!
he's dumb, he chucks lots of 3 pointers even though malakas sa ilalim...
Do you guys think this trade has something to do with the 3 new comers... maybe the team is building around those 3...

[durden_tyler]

maybe the team is building around those 3...

Which won't be a very bad idea. Considering the embarrassment they went through this conference, those three rookies should prove they are worth being cornerstones of this storied franchise!

[nowitzki_21]

Which won't be a very bad idea. Considering the embarrassment they went through this conference, those three rookies should prove they are worth being cornerstones of this storied franchise!



snow badua
@snowbadua snow badua
FORMER 7-TIME PBA BEST IMPORT AWARDEE BOBBY PARKS joins PETRON coaching staff as ASSISTANT to ATO AGUSTIN.


@snowbadua snow badua
PETRON returns to practice on Monday. But team had weight lifting session last Tuesday and a 1 1/2 jogging this morning at the ULTRA OVAL.



snow badua
@snowbadua snow badua
PETRON will have a new system this GOVERNOR's CUP. From half court setting up team, they will now evolve into a defensive run and gun team.



snow badua
@snowbadua snow badua
PETRON had a 100 percent attendance of locals in their 6 to 7:30 jogging at the ULTRA OVAL this morning. No import name yet.

[nashill]

most of the run n gun teams i know gets lazy on the defensive end...

[theImbaguy]

Which won't be a very bad idea. Considering the embarrassment they went through this conference, those three rookies should prove they are worth being cornerstones of this storied franchise!

baclao and rabeh had shown what they can do. but rey is still inconsistent
maybe they're trying to make their own "big 3" but for now the "big 2.5"

[eindhow]

jdv for jwash... sure...
jdv for arwind... hell no!!!
he's dumb, he chucks lots of 3 pointers even though malakas sa ilalim...
Do you guys think this trade has something to do with the 3 new comers... maybe the team is building around those 3...

Maybe under a system, Arwind Santos can become a more effective player.. The Alaska offense gets a player to a spot where he can score easily, especially the 4 and 5 guys.. Arwind scores without plays built for him.. We'll see if the trade pushes thru..

[theImbaguy]

Maybe under a system, Arwind Santos can become a more effective player.. The Alaska offense gets a player to a spot where he can score easily, especially the 4 and 5 guys.. Arwind scores without plays built for him.. We'll see if the trade pushes thru..

aww no. borboran is doing what arwind can do for the aces, but borboran plays 3.
Idk, i just dont like arwind, but he is an excellent defender.
Still No.
Edit:we already have excellent defender in tony dela cruz, and his jumpshot is much reliable.
Still No.

[durden_tyler]

aww no. borboran is doing what arwind can do for the aces, but borboran plays 3.
Idk, i just dont like arwind, but he is an excellent defender.
Still No.
Edit:we already have excellent defender in tony dela cruz, and his jumpshot is much reliable.
Still No.

i'd feel the same way if i were an Alaska fan ;)

[capitantiago]

i'd feel the same way if i were an Alaska fan ;)

and i don't want him in my bmeg team, too. lol

[theImbaguy]

i'd feel the same way if i were an Alaska fan ;)

haha, hope aces draft jballe and another pg maybe paul lee or casio. i think aces needs a backup pg and some frontline depth...

[acklium]

Paul Lee could be a perfect fit for Aces. Gulang factor, the drive, outside shooting and the toughness for a point/shooting guard.

[acklium]

JFajardo's draft stock is decreasing bcoz of his bad showing on the current league he had been playing lately :mad::mad: if only he join gilas and play against the international forwards and center together with the influence of ASI. Haaysttt

[dxjayrock2008]

Paul Lee could be a perfect fit for Aces. Gulang factor, the drive, outside shooting and the toughness for a point/shooting guard.


An automatic upgrade to the Aces' point guard spot. Hopefully he can learn the Triangle System as quickly as possible. Elmer Espiritu is having a hard time learning the system.

[acklium]

i think its not about the triangle offense, i guess it is bcoz of the current line up of aces coz they are loaded of position at 2-3-4

[dxjayrock2008]

JFajardo's draft stock is decreasing bcoz of his bad showing on the current league he had been playing lately :mad::mad: if only he join gilas and play against the international forwards and center together with the influence of ASI. Haaysttt


We can only dream about Junmar's joining the national squad. Sheesh!

[TrueBluePinoy]

COACH TIM CONE: There is no truth to the JOE DEVANCE to ARWIND SANTOS rumor. I honestly don't know who's that coming from. - Snow Badua

[theImbaguy]

COACH TIM CONE: There is no truth to the JOE DEVANCE to ARWIND SANTOS rumor. I honestly don't know who's that coming from. - Snow Badua

ahhhhhh....
.....feels good man!

[ariel_muhlach]

The D-League residency rule imposed by the PBA on prospective PBA Rookie Draft applicants would keep Fajardo out of this year's draft.

Local players are required to play at least 1 conference while fil-foreign players needs 2 conferences. Only Smart Gilas players are exempted from the residency rule.

[Big Ticket]

The D-League residency rule imposed by the PBA on prospective PBA Rookie Draft applicants would keep Fajardo out of this year's draft.

Local players are required to play at least 1 conference while fil-foreign players needs 2 conferences. Only Smart Gilas players are exempted from the residency rule.

what if fajardo plays 1 game for gilas, he's eligible na?

[ariel_muhlach]

what if fajardo plays 1 game for gilas, he's eligible na?

Toroman and Frankie Lim already said Fajardo and Paul Lee and are no longer welcome in Gilas, the time that they are seeking their services are already over.

So players like JR Cawaling and Ryan Buenafe would benefit from said exception as they could apply for the PBA Rookie Draft even if they don't play for a D-League team like Magi Sison.

As of now Joey Deas, Martin Reyes, the Fil-aussies, plus several others who played official games for Gilas are checking with the PBA if they are included in the said exemption.

[Gravemind]

what if fajardo plays 1 game for gilas, he's eligible na?

that would be impossible..

[theImbaguy]

An automatic upgrade to the Aces' point guard spot. Hopefully he can learn the Triangle System as quickly as possible. Elmer Espiritu is having a hard time learning the system.

paul lee is not gonna struggle b'coz he's the one supposed to bring down the ball, call plays, dictate the tempo blahblahblah...
on the other hand elmer is strugglin' b'coz he's a role player he had to blahblahblah and all the things role players do... but i believe he can still play decent, he's athletic and a monster on D, he's just had to get through the rookie wall...

[kikomatsing]

with the way GILAS was annihalated by a PBA team (my BGK)....

amateur stand-outs are butt-itching to join the PBA...

cannot blame them...they feel PBA will give them basketball wit rather than GILAS!...

good choice guys!
:)

[BGK_Panatiks]

with the way GILAS was annihalated by a PBA team (my BGK)....

amateur stand-outs are butt-itching to join the PBA...

cannot blame them...they feel PBA will give them basketball wit rather than GILAS!...

good choice guys!
:)

Hey mangki boy please dun tell us wats happenin in ur butts ok?peste I was eating pa naman.da barNggay won nman d b? Wats dis ur yapping about ha?

[Gravemind]

with the way GILAS was annihalated by a PBA team (my BGK)....

amateur stand-outs are butt-itching to join the PBA...

cannot blame them...they feel PBA will give them basketball wit rather than GILAS!...

good choice guys!
:)

will give them more $$$ rather...

annihilated? correction...u mean cheated and endangered their lives?:D

[BGK_Panatiks]

Hahahays donut speak of cheating ha? my Team is not lyk that! gulang lang! and we provide donasyons 4 de referee.labet! welcome nubies! end espesyali welcome to my self yeo! Tenku labet

[jesronne]

Paul Lee could be a perfect fit for Aces. Gulang factor, the drive, outside shooting and the toughness for a point/shooting guard.

the next willie miller...

[ramzaruglia]

Sorry for the interruption, but I'd better choose Barroca for the Aces rather than a Paul Lee... Just my two cents.:D

[nowitzki_21]

@snowbadua snow badua
COMMISSIONER SALUD: Snow pakitanong sa fans. ANO ANG GUSTO NILANG IMPORT NEXT SEASON? Unlimited 2nd confy--- 6'6 3rd confy or vice versa?

[acklium]

Unlimited height for imports!!!!!!

[QWERTY1234]

JIMBO AQUINO will join ATO AGUSTIN next conference.....:eek:

[angmamatayngdahilsa'yo]

@snowbadua snow badua
COMMISSIONER SALUD: Snow pakitanong sa fans. ANO ANG GUSTO NILANG IMPORT NEXT SEASON? Unlimited 2nd confy--- 6'6 3rd confy or vice versa?

i honestly like salud's attempt to consult the fans. this is actually positive for the pba.

but will the team owners listen should the fans preferred a conference with no height limit for imports? that's the problem.

[jesronne]

i honestly like salud's attempt to consult the fans. this is actually positive for the pba.

but will the team owners listen should the fans preferred a conference with no height limit for imports? that's the problem.

if that happens then can barako bull afford a tall import?

[Alex07]

@snowbadua snow badua
COMMISSIONER SALUD: Snow pakitanong sa fans. ANO ANG GUSTO NILANG IMPORT NEXT SEASON? Unlimited 2nd confy--- 6'6 3rd confy or vice versa?

Bangus po Itay :p trans:I got a huge feeling even the commish has a Facebook account :p

[koralman2007]

Bangus po Itay :p trans:I got a huge feeling even the commish has a Facebook account :p

hehehe... sana matuloy nga ung unlimited height sa imports...

Trans: Unlimited import = higher level of competetion.

[acklium]

I'm looking for querty and Kikoungoy i mean kikomatsing :D:D:D:D

[13wowowee]

2nd conference should have 6'6 imports.

Then in the 3rd conference they can apply handicapping rule again. It is either:

1. Top 2 teams in the first two conf can have 6'6 imports with the option to stick with their import in the 2nd conference,
rank 3-6 teams can have 6'9 imports
bottom 4 can have 6'10 and up...

Or

2. Unlimited height imports for all the teams but will give an extra import with 6'3 height to the 2 lowest rank teams...

[Beastly]

the next willie miller...

I don't think that's a good compliment? :)) SMC has no D-League team so i guess MVP gonna pirate Junmar too?

[capitantiago]

6'9" and unlimited height for imports in the second and third conferences, respectively. that would be fun.

[Joe Yabuki]

I don't think that's a good compliment? :)) SMC has no D-League team so i guess MVP gonna pirate Junmar too?

sMC has a dleague team, heck their dleague team is soooo good it managed to outplace their 2 main teams in the current conference. it's name is air21.

[sergio23]

@snowbadua snow badua
COMMISSIONER SALUD: Snow pakitanong sa fans. ANO ANG GUSTO NILANG IMPORT NEXT SEASON? Unlimited 2nd confy--- 6'6 3rd confy or vice versa?

I'll go for unlimited rice:D

[LCM]

Miller for Norwood!!!

[byron]

unlimited ceiling would be cool so that the squads can fill up in what they really need. Then a two import third conference with a total ceiling limit of 13 feet...

[acklium]

Miller for Norwood!!!

Norwood > Miller = NO

[Big Ticket]

unlimited ceiling would be cool so that the squads can fill up in what they really need. Then a two import third conference with a total ceiling limit of 13 feet...

one import is enough....

[Joe Yabuki]

one import with unlimited height for both import laden conferences then, actively invite other Asian teams for the 3rd (make it a mini jones cup of sorts) if schedule becomes a hindrance then don't let the teams who finished in the lower rankings to play in the 3rd conf.

[kaiziken_pinas]

http://teampilipinas.info/2011/05/meralco-import-oguchi-back-for.html

Oguchi'll be back in the 3rd confy.


Last Thursday, Oguchi reinforced Meralco in the Bolts’ win over the Qatar Army club, 66-60, in Doha. Meralco left Manila to play exhibitions in Qatar last April 26 and will be back tomorrow.

[tito thoots]

From Air21 Express to Burger King
Friday, December 12, 2008 12:17:00 PM

Burger King, the majority of which is owned by the Lina Group of Companies, might take over the existing Philippine Basketball Association franchise of the Air21 Express starting next year.

Air21 president and team manager Lito Alvarez said that they will propose to the PBA to transfer the Airfreight 2100 franchise to Burger King as the company is still majority owned by Bert Lina, chairman of the Lina Group of companies.

"We would propose it to the PBA to transfer the Air21 franchise to Burger King," said Alvarez. "Since medyo nakikilala na naman siya, we want to give more exposure this time to Burger King. It's the same thing we did to FedEx then Air21. Now, we want Burger King to be at the forefront of our promotion."

When San Miguel Corp. bought Purefoods in 2001, Burger King was left out before a group of individuals, led by Lina and Alvarez of Air21, Manuel Pangilinan and Ricky Vargas of Smart/PLDT and Wilson Young of Tanduay, took over.

"Part of our plan really is to put up a basketball team. We started it in the PBL and now, we want to continue Burger King's promotion this time in the PBA," said Alvarez.

But while Burger King might take over from Air21's existing franchise, an old member in the PBA, Red Bull, is expected to sell its franchise to teams knocking on the PBA doors for quite sometime.

Harbour Centre and the Lamoiyan Group of Companies, owner of Dazz team in the Philippine Basketball League, have expressed interest in joining the pro league.

Pangilinan, also the chief backer of the Talk N Text Tropang Texters in the PBA, is now reportedly the majority owner of Harbour Centre. It was supposed to buy the Shell Turbochargers in 2005, but the squad dispersed the marquee players to several teams and its supposed buyer lost interest. Rey Joble - Manila Standard Today

this is very interesting read after a few years as it is now history

[tito thoots]

one import is enough....

I'd rather spend the money on our own talents than on american imports.

[tito thoots]

Norwood > Miller = NO

Sorry Bro. am not really following. Please explain as I do not know their strenghts and weaknesses.

[EaglesEye]

I'd rather spend the money on our own talents than on american imports.

You mean you will not hire an import?
If team owners will be dumb enough to adopt such mentality, then they would do so.

But my question is: if you will do such thing, do you think your team will be capable of winning games? If so, some other teams will also not hire an import in order to save money.

[Joe Yabuki]

I'd rather spend the money on our own talents than on american imports.

I think the talents of SMC and MVP teams are receiving enough money as it is. more than enough at times.

getting a tall import helps in exposing them to a taller opposition. Which would help a lot in the international scene.

[kikomatsing]

MILLER for SOL.....

ayan...a fair deal!....

[fadzki]

Miller for Powerade 1st round pick...

by looks of it Powerade will have the 1st overall draft pick... Gilas players will join the draft.. :D:D:D

[nashill]

i honestly like salud's attempt to consult the fans. this is actually positive for the pba.

but will the team owners listen should the fans preferred a conference with no height limit for imports? that's the problem.

the oohhss and aahhs of the fans on douthit dunks could have catch the attention of salud....

[Joe Yabuki]

You mean you will not hire an import?
If team owners will be dumb enough to adopt such mentality, then they would do so.

But my question is: if you will do such thing, do you think your team will be capable of winning games? If so, some other teams will also not hire an import in order to save money.

As long as they have a better chance of winning then the majority of the teams will agree, in a way SMC will probably agree with this since they're pretty thin at the 5 spot and they have more resources than most of the other teams when it comes to finding talent overseas.

[nowitzki_21]

Originally Posted by angmamatayngdahilsa'yo View Post
i honestly like salud's attempt to consult the fans. this is actually positive for the pba.

but will the team owners listen should the fans preferred a conference with no height limit for imports? that's the problem.


snow badua
@snowbadua snow badua
GINEBRA MGMT: OK yung Unlimited height sana ituloy. Kaso baka malabo na namin ibalik si CHRIS ALEXANDER. May edad na yun eh. Baka mabagal na

[acklium]

MILLER for SOL.....

ayan...a fair deal!....

its unfair to make a deal suggestion between a player who is already past on his prime and to a player whose just starting to blossom

[capitantiago]

its unfair to make a deal suggestion between a player who is already past on his prime and to a player whose just starting to blossom

huh? when was the last time that a trade was fair?

[The_Big_Cat]

huh? when was the last time that a trade was fair?

When the number 1 pick Al Hussaini and number 2 pick Baclao were traded for aging dinosaurs, Pena and Seigle plus a point guard who could not even knockdown a consistent jumper. haha. :D

[acklium]

huh? when was the last time that a trade was fair?

sometimes we only have to use our common sense to see if it is fair or not

[capitantiago]

sometimes we only have to use our common sense to see if it is fair or not

yeah. you should have used it before you even made the comment.

[alien space bats]

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GINEBRA MGMT: OK yung Unlimited height sana ituloy. Kaso baka malabo na namin ibalik si CHRIS ALEXANDER. May edad na yun eh. Baka mabagal na

galing o! the resurging interest of basketball fans in the PBA is making the league more amenable to the latter's wants and desires.
may this cycle continue. we dont want a dead league unloved by no one.

The law of cause and effect comes to mind.every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause. everything happens according to this law.

and we are now going to reap the fruits.

[acklium]

yeah. you should have used it before you even made the comment.

Mercado(MERALCO) - MVP
Miller(GINEBRA) - SMC

its not Barako or Air21 that holds Mercado its MVP's Team so its not possible to have a lopsided trade the likes that you had been telling here..common sense.....;)

[kikomatsing]

MILLER - SOL is a fair deal!...

even BGK exec feels the same way.....

its just a matter of time before this trade happen...
you'll see!

:)

[Alex07]

MILLER - SOL is a fair deal!...

even BGK exec feels the same way.....

its just a matter of time before this trade happen...
you'll see!

:)

wag na...keep Miller in your team,besides you team looks so serious that you can use someone cheerful enough and smiling even when he makes a critical mistake in the dying seconds :p

[nowitzki_21]

MILLER - SOL is a fair deal!...

even BGK exec feels the same way.....

its just a matter of time before this trade happen...
you'll see!

:)

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Bagay ba Kiko?

Translation: I don't think so :D

[kikomatsing]

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Bagay ba Kiko?

Translation: I don't think so :D



pwede!.....
ayus!...

trans: thanks bro!...

[EaglesEye]

As long as they have a better chance of winning then the majority of the teams will agree, in a way SMC will probably agree with this since they're pretty thin at the 5 spot and they have more resources than most of the other teams when it comes to finding talent overseas.

But the question: Are they going to have a better chance of winning without an import? Can you recall by the way any team without an import who matched up well with a reinforced team throughout the conference? Though some of them triumphed by one game, but just by luck. You can't really rely on them to win and match up well consistently.

I can just remember the teams in 1999. So many powerhouse teams because of their priviledge to directly hire a Fil-Am. Plus talented locals- San Miguel (Seigle & Ildefonso), Mobiline (Taulava & A. Seigle), Tanduay (Menk & Alvarado), Sta. Lucia (Parker), Purefoods (Segova). But all those teams still hired import. Why? Because they knew that without an import, they cannot match up well against a reinforced team.

[EaglesEye]

When the number 1 pick Al Hussaini and number 2 pick Baclao were traded for aging dinosaurs, Pena and Seigle plus a point guard who could not even knockdown a consistent jumper. haha. :D

....so therefore, who do you think was the winner of that trade? The one who got those aging but still reliable dinosaurs or the one who kept those potentially young but inexperienced turks?