PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. II)

[The_Big_Cat]

Sorry to say this but Sison will never be an effective Pba player. I watched a tune up game before between a team led by Coy banal and another( san juan coliseum). The game was really rough ( tirahan talaga ) then Coy asked Sison to check in. The guy refused to get into the court! Dinaga yung bata. He wasnt really known that time but you couldnt help but notice him because of his size. Well, fast forward today..the guy still hasnt shown that much considering all the exposure with Gilas. He is a softee. Smaller version of Canlas. I wonder where is my favorite enforcer? Undersized but tough as nail Eric "el terrible" Rodriguez of Letran.

Magi Sison will be the modern day "Mr. Quality Minutes" Sonny Cabatu. :D

[The_Big_Cat]

I'd like to see that Pumaren press in the pba! It could work but not the whole game, i saw it also used at times by Guiao in red bull with his kulit-bulilits, torion, topex, torion, junthy, cruz another small PG i cant recall the name but left handed..

In the NBA, i remember Rick Pitino's Celtics pressing the then defending champions Chicago Bulls and embarrassed them by a huge margin . The rest of the season though, the Celts sucked.

In an article I read in the late 90s, Franz Pumaren said himself that his presssing defense was patterned after Rick Pitino's Kentucky full court pressure defense.

[paulezra]

....im a San mig fan but look..Pena, Seigle, Arwin, Ildefonso, Dondon, Olsen, washington.....these are players with maximium salaries but somehow they were once bunched together! I mean.. You dont need to be a Berkely graduate like Fred Uytengsu to figure it out.

[reamily]

E Rod was with Ginebra the last Governors cup..

never been the same player post acl injury

[durden_tyler]

....im a San mig fan but look..Pena, Seigle, Arwin, Ildefonso, Dondon, Olsen, washington.....these are players with maximium salaries but somehow they were once bunched together! I mean.. You dont need to be a Berkely graduate like Fred Uytengsu to figure it out.

As i've said, it's the elephant in the room. The question is, is there a way to do anything about it? Salud going up against MVP and SMC? Can that happen? Of course not.

[Joe Yabuki]

....im a San mig fan but look..Pena, Seigle, Arwin, Ildefonso, Dondon, Olsen, washington.....these are players with maximium salaries but somehow they were once bunched together! I mean.. You dont need to be a Berkely graduate like Fred Uytengsu to figure it out.

to be fair, only 2 of those guys deserve a max contract. Alot of PBA players are overpaid in that sense.

putting that aside, Should the PBA bite the hand that feeds it? The probable solution for this is to find more financially capable companies enter the league. This is easier said than done given the influence that MVP and SMC has had on the league.

[Big Ticket]

....im a San mig fan but look..Pena, Seigle, Arwin, Ildefonso, Dondon, Olsen, washington.....these are players with maximium salaries but somehow they were once bunched together! I mean.. You dont need to be a Berkely graduate like Fred Uytengsu to figure it out.

how sure are you that these players are getting the max contracts?

[killmebusy]

well all salud can do is talk to these teams and try to convince them to play fair...actually he already started somehow by revoking lopsided trades.

[durden_tyler]

For example:

TNT

All Filipino - Champions
Bonus: Brand New Vios(more or less 600K) plus one monthly salary.(ex. jimmy)
So it's almost 1M bonus.


2nd Conf - Champions
Bonus: 600K plus one monthly salary.(ex. jimmy)
Again it's almost 1M bonus.

And all of this bonuses are well published in the news paper.


Now asked Joe Devance how much did he get when he won championship in Alaska. (1year supply of Alaska:eek::D)

Exactly.

As i mentioned in the other forum, in any pro league a team's value and capabilities is not at par with each other (though cap limits them if and when there's a salary cap)

The "big city" or "big market" vs. small city/market argument comes to mind. Assuming all other team concepts are equal, if you are a free agent being offered the max contract by one of: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc... versus being offered the SAME contract by one of: Minnesota, Milwaukee, New Orleans, etc... Wouldn't you sign with the former group?

Big city/market teams mean endorsement deals, probably movie/album deals, an active city lifestyle, etc. This is similar to the PBA bonuses-- outside of the "cap" and still legal-- it varies from one team to the other (as mentioned by nardong putik) not to mention future opportunities of being taken care of by your mother company (see: Ildefonso's babuyan, Ritualo's Air21 business, etc) again all legal with regards to respecting the salary cap.

It's the same thing in the PBA to an extent.

Imagine Alaska as being the San Antonio Spurs franchise here. Spurs aren't too cheap (like Alaska they spend just enough) but are very successful (like Alaska they've won some championships and are legit contenders the past decade); the Spurs don't attract big free agents with the lure of $$$ (like Alaska, they don't necessarily overpay players, even stars) and built a competitive team via the draft or trades.

[CoJ]

Honestly, who doesn't.

As mentioned by a poster in PEX, if the PBA does have a crack down on these teams, what happens if they threaten to leave the league? 4 teams to battle for the championships? They could even make a league of their own!

It's tolerated in the league, that's not open secret. What to do about it? i don't know if there's even a system that can solve it.

then it will be the MICAA-PBa ordeal again..=(

[frenzfries]

I'm on Mr. Uytengsu's side because i also believe one of the factors why the league is dying is because there's of the level of playing field take a look at some teams that are run by bigtime companies like smc, and pldt. Even a kid can notice how strong these teams are after acquiring some of the best players from another team making the competition lopsided, no wonder why sta. lucia left the league maybe they felt that it's not a good league anymore considering the fact that p3 is happening inside.

Look at the previous finals, both finalists were dominant teams and the funniest thing is PETRON tag themselves as the "Underdogs" while looking at their line-up is almost a composition of a National Team yet many fans still look up to them 'coz maybe SMC thinks we're too idiot to notice it . Not to mention TnT who also boasts of many superstars in the team.


I think it's time for the PBA to look at the bigger picture and clear those dark clouds around them.

[durden_tyler]

I'm on Mr. Uytengsu's side because i also believe one of the factors why the league is dying is because there's of the level of playing field take a look at some teams that are run by bigtime companies like smc, and pldt. Even a kid can notice how strong these teams are after acquiring some of the best players from another team making the competition lopsided, no wonder why sta. lucia left the league maybe they felt that it's not a good league anymore considering the fact that p3 is happening inside.

Look at the previous finals, both finalists were dominant teams and the funniest thing is PETRON tag themselves as the "Underdogs" while looking at their line-up is almost a composition of a National Team yet many fans still look up to them 'coz maybe SMC thinks we're too idiot to notice it . Not to mention TnT who also boasts of many superstars in the team.


I think it's time for the PBA to look at the bigger picture and clear those dark clouds around them.

Everybody's on Uytengsu's side of course. But its still working (revenue up this season compared to last) so i doubt any major changes will be made. Critics are holding on to the "PBA is dying" line as hope it changes things. First, changes won't happen (not overnight anyway. And the PBA is not dying. That said, Mr. Uytengsu is of course right. ;)

[Jordan Bruiseter]

C'mon Fred, we both know it was your boy Joaqui who initiated the trade for JdV... :D

Pumaren is thinking twice now about getting Allado as he feels he's already past his prime...

[fadzki]

Everybody's on Uytengsu's side of course. But its still working (revenue up this season compared to last) so i doubt any major changes will be made. Critics are holding on to the "PBA is dying" line as hope it changes things. First, changes won't happen (not overnight anyway. And the PBA is not dying. That said, Mr. Uytengsu is of course right. ;)

how about the commish making a rule limiting the bonus a player gets? can he do that???

[Cryotek]

Pumaren is thinking twice now about getting Allado as he feels he's already past his prime...

I think Allado still good for 1-2 years because of his perimeter shooting!!

[Baldomero]

I think I understand the argument here, I try to provide an example. Look at the NY Yankees criticized for a high bankroll when it comes to paying there players. Do they win all the time? No, not recently

[Cryotek]

I think I understand the argument here, I try to provide an example. Look at the NY Yankees criticised for a high bankroll when it comes to paying there players. Do they win all the time? No, not recently

And that's the risk of the owners...:rolleyes:

[el scorcho]

And that's the risk of the owners...:rolleyes:

Games are not won on paper...

[capitantiago]

how about the commish making a rule limiting the bonus a player gets? can he do that???

that would be ridiculous! kaya nga bonus eh.

[Silent Killer]

http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php/sports/12615-pardo-to-uytengsu-prove-it

Pardo to Uytengsu: Prove it

Published : Saturday, September 03, 2011 00:00 Article Views : 5
Written by : Zean Macamay


IF Alaska team owner Wilfred Uytengsu feels that there are dubious transactions going on to dodge salary cap rules, then he must be the first to prove it.

Outgoing PBA Board Chairman Rene Pardo of B-Meg yesterday retaliated with his own tirade against accusations made by Uytengsu on Thursday that the league is now competed in by some teams violating salary cap rules to become competitive.

“Instead of witch-hunting, it’s upon him (Uytengsu) to submit pieces of evidence to the PBA Commissioner’s Office for proper action,” said Pardo yesterday.

“Why didn’t they (Aces) do that when Mr. Joaqui Trillo (Alaska board representative) was the Chairman? If they had qualms about the salary cap, then they must deliver it in a proper forum and not in a media conference.”

Although not directly mentioned by Uytengsu as one of the teams that violates salary cap rules, B-Meg was implicitly struck since Joe Devance, a former Alaska Ace, ended up with the Llamados after he requested his release to play for another despite getting paid by the maximum salary of P350,000.

Pardo said that Devance is still getting the same P350,000 pay.

“Joe Devance should be the one to answer that question, but as far as we are concerned, he is just getting the maximum salary. We can’t pay him more than that because that’s the rule,” Pardo said.

The outspoken Uytengsu issued his disgust over the salary cap on the very same day when Alaska announced that it had already released head coach Tim Cone, breaking apart what was once thought to be an indestructible partnership that spanned for 22 years and snapping a ‘marriage’ that produced 13 championships including a Grand Slam in 1996.

Uytengsu said that he was ‘shocked’ when he learned that his Aces were the highest-paid franchise in the league last season, and bared that the time may come when Alaska could leave the PBA because of salary irregularities.

“The reality of the situation is that it’s not a level playing field in the PBA,” he said. “Somewhere down the road, if we see the foundation of the PBA to crumble beyond repair and where graft and corruption becomes the norm, I think that may be the time that we have to look elsewhere because I don’t think that the PBA is a viable medium of entertainment.”

“Our P350,000 is as good as the next team’s P350,000. So I ask the Commissioner (Chito Salud) ‘what’s going on? He says ‘I don’t have evidence’. Well, I say, dig for it, that’s your job. We’re not idiots.”

This is not the first time that Uytengsu made a statement trying to question the Commissioner’s Office over its dedication to eliminate violations in the salary cap.

When he was named Executive of the Year by the PBA Press Corps last season, Uytengsu also challenged Salud, then the new Commissioner, to deeply look into the ball clubs’ payrolls.

Salud, meantime, cannot be reached for comment as of press time.

[Cryotek]

MANILA, Philippines - Former Alaska Milk coach Tim Cone would eventually be appointed head coach of B-Meg, according to pro league sources.

The fact is that even before he officially announced his resignation from Alaska, talks were making the rounds in the PBA circle that Cone was headed for a coaching job at one of San Miguel Beer teams.

Richard del Rosario being named acting B-Meg coach in lieu of Jorge Gallent only fanned talks of Cone’s impending transfer to the Llamados’ camp.

Del Rosario played under Cone at Alaska before shifting to sports broadcasting.

According to reports, Del Rosario will move back to being an assistant coach once Cone comes in.

Cone hinted that he would be open to work for another team during the press conference where he announced his resignation at Alaska.

“I’m going to see whatever opportunity is out there at this point,” Cone said. “I’m kind of open, I’m hoping that there’ll be something out there.”

Meanwhile, new Alaska head coach Joel Banal expressed great excitement on the new development on his coaching career.

“I’m excited and inspired. It’s the same thing I felt when I got into coaching (Mapua in the late 80s),” Banal told The STAR.

Banal is happy with the team that he inherited from Cone, believing it can compete with any team in the league.

He said he won’t tinker with Alaska’s triangle offense, saying it’s the same formula that helped him win championships in the UAAP and in the PBL with Ateneo.

“I’ve been using that since 1991 when I coached RC Cola in the PBL. I dissected Chicago Bulls tapes and concentrated doing their triangle offense. I wasn’t aware it’s the same game embraced by Tim,” said Banal.

He’s comfortable with his lineup, having Sonny Thoss as lead frontline player and LA Tenorio as main man at the backcourt.

“You’ll always be comfortable having a Thoss at the frontline and an LA Tenorio at point guard. Add to them a prolific scorer in Cyrus Baguio and Tony dela Cruz with his leadership, experience and great work ethic, and we really have a competitive team,” said Banal.

A former Mapua King Cardinal who became a national player and a pro, Banal is a winner with championships in all levels – NCAA, UAAP, PBL and the pros.

http://www.philstar.com/SportsArticle.aspx?articleId=723236&publicationSubCategoryId=69

[driller]

Former Alaska Milk coach Tim Cone would eventually be appointed head coach of B-Meg, according to pro league sources.
_____________
If this happens, and without injuries in Bmeg....= Grandslam na ba ito? :cool:

[Cryotek]

Former Alaska Milk coach Tim Cone would eventually be appointed head coach of B-Meg, according to pro league sources.
_____________
If this happens, and without injuries in Bmeg....= Grandslam na ba ito? :cool:

Fortunately for them, they will be now having a so-called team system...not purely 1-on-1 basketball!:)

[driller]

The Triangle Offense of Tim Cone will be applied in Bmeg most likely.
Oh gosh...Bmeg will be more deadly....

[nardy]

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito
Wow. Go Pogi! RT @ronnathanielsz (http://twitter.com/ronnathanielsz) Former PBACommissioner Noli Eala to be named Sports Director of the giant San Miguel Corporation.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/109644037304229888)


Wow this would really prove withhout doubt that Noli Eala is indeed a part of San Miguel.

With regards to the scandal where Snow Badua is at the center of it, despite Snow's complaint to RSA and the official stand of the NPC, still Noli Eala gets promoted. That says it all.

[brod78]

Fortunately for them, they will be now having a so-called team system...not purely 1-on-1 basketball!:)

Being a Purefoods/Bmeg fan, im very much excited to see this development :D

[BCAP-009]

ALASKA has no plan to sign JULIUS PASCULADO.....Thats normal:) they seldom giving contracts to the drafted player anyway.

I think POWERADE will get his guy...

[capitantiago]

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito
Wow. Go Pogi! RT @ronnathanielsz (http://twitter.com/ronnathanielsz) Former PBACommissioner Noli Eala to be named Sports Director of the giant San Miguel Corporation.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/109644037304229888)


Wow this would really prove withhout doubt that Noli Eala is indeed a part of San Miguel.

With regards to the scandal where Snow Badua is at the center of it, despite Snow's complaint to RSA and the official stand of the NPC, still Noli Eala gets promoted. That says it all.

that is hardly surprising. strange things happen in a strange sports/business world. :)

[paulezra]

I didnt realize Tim cone is only 53 years old.Simply amazing ! Anyways, if Cone goes to Bmeg. Imagine James Yap and super buakaw kerby playing the triangle. That would be one big adjustment especially for Kerby. Of course, his airness and Kobe are cut from the same mold. Hmm, this is very interesting. Expect the Pba to enjoy record breaking attendance this season.

[TrueBluePinoy]

Hatfield ends pro cage career
By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated September 03, 2011 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - Fil-Am forward Rudy Hatfield announced he’s out of Barangay Ginebra and the league for good.

In an email message to coach Jong Uichico, Hatfield said he’s no longer returning to play with the Kings since he has accepted another job that won’t keep him away from his family.

“He said this might be the end of his basketball career,” Uichico told The STAR.

“I say you caught me off-guard with this. I’ve yet to check my email account again but I plan to call him up,” Uichico added.

Hatfield was supposed to return from the United States on Aug. 22 but Uichico himself advised the player to delay his travel plan since Ginebra won’t be back to practice until after the rookie draft.

“He said ‘okay, I’ll fly before or after the draft,’ then came his email message saying he’ll no longer be back,” said Uichico.

Hatfield was a source of instant energy for Ginebra, emerging as the league rebounding champion in the last Philippine Cup.

He had just returned from a long sabbatical when he left again after the 2011 Commissioner’s Cup, leaving a big void in the Ginebra frontline.


Meanwhile, top draft picks Paul Lee (second, Rain or Shine), Jason Ballesteros (seventh, Meralco) and Allein Maliksi (eighth, Barako Bull) have reached an agreement with their respective teams.

Lee got a lucrative P8.7-million with the Asian Coating Inc. franchise, guaranteeing the former UE star of the maximum pay for a newcomer in his first three years in the league.

He’ll receive P1.8 million in 2011-12, P2.7 million in 2012-13 and P4.2 million in 2013-14.

http://www.philstar.com/SportsArticle.aspx?articleId=723240&publicationSubCategoryId=69

[lovejones]

Hatfield ends pro cage career
By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated September 03, 2011 12:00 AM



http://www.philstar.com/SportsArticle.aspx?articleId=723240&publicationSubCategoryId=69

first, there was wrestling. then it was about being a fireman. next he became an evangelist. so what else is new rudy?

[paulezra]

watch out for Maliksi...he is only 22 years old...he could be a real solid player.

[nardy]

first, there was wrestling. then it was about being a fireman. next he became an evangelist. so what else is new rudy?

guy is just being practical ..... if you can earn money without being separated with your family, why not. And he is already in the twilight of his career .... so might as well quit now before the time he becomes branded as "laos" or over the hill.

[Silent Killer]

The h-bomb has been defuse. good luck with your new career. your hard nose, tough game will be miss.

[RedMetal]

If Alaska is not interested in Pasculado, Petron should sign him ASAP!:cool:

[Big Ticket]

If Alaska is not interested in Pasculado, Petron should sign him ASAP!:cool:

powerade will get pasculado as powerade were the ones who financed pasculado's trip and accomodation here....

[unstopaball12]

powerade will get pasculado as powerade were the ones who financed pasculado's trip and accomodation here....

If they indeed sign him, you can say goodbye to the PBA career of Jai Reyes. They will be crowded in the backcourt. Maybe Alaska didnt want to spend the expenses powerade did in order to bring in Pasculado.

On a side note, Alaska should have tried to trade him for atleast a decent player, Pasculado's stock is high and maybe a team might buy into the hype and offer a decent player

[reamily]

powerade will get pasculado as powerade were the ones who financed pasculado's trip and accomodation here....

lol I think they will not shoulder the return fare of Julius joke..

seriously life goes on for him prove yourself thta you will eventually belong in this league:D

[ariel_muhlach]

Tweet by Ronnie Nathanielsz:

"We filed a story on the appointment of Noli Eala as San Miguel Corporation Sports Director over a week ago. It never saw print.Wonder why."

[nardy]

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Listen to what Uytengsu is saying

By Ronnie Nathanielsz (http://sports.inquirer.net/byline/ronnie-nathanielsz)
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://sports.inquirer.net/source/philippine-daily-inquirer) 10:22 pm | Sunday, September 4th, 2011


Alaska team owner and avid sportsman Fred Uytengsu doesn’t talk about the PBA very often. But when he does he always makes sense and certainly doesn’t mince words—a trait that endears the gentleman to us.


Mr. Uytengsu may not always be one hundred percent correct in his claims but he is very near the mark for sure, which to us, is both acceptable and refreshing.


For those of us who have watched the PBA since day one in 1975, there are clear signs that give credence to Uytengsu’s claims on a number of issues.


No question, it’s not a level playing field. It can never be if there is multiple ownership of teams which the esteemed late commissioner Rudy Salud was clearly against.


The last conference was a clear example of a format that encouraged teams or at least provided an environment in which they could pick and choose who to play in the championship. Realistically, we cannot blame a coach for using the opportunity given him, which we are certain all the coaches who criticized it would have availed of, if they were in the same position.


The PBA failed to even invite Petron coach Ato Agustin to explain his public statement that Talk ‘N Text coach Chot Reyes picked the wrong team to meet in the finals. This implied that Chot deliberately lost to Petron Blaze in their last meeting in the semifinals so they could face the Boosters again in the finals rather than Barangay Ginebra.


It resulted in a backlash from fans of the crowd favorites and ultimately hurt the PBA.


This could never be glossed over by claiming huge crowds attended the championship games.


When the PBA didn’t summon Agustin for his uncalled for postgame gesture in which he challenged Reyes to a fight and when Chot did the decent thing and declined, he called him “bakla,” it raised quite a few eyebrows. Is this acceptable behavior? Certainly not.


Right now, there are concerns over how teams that cannot trade directly use willing conduits at a price, to get what they want. Players getting a maximum salary from a winning team and still wanting out is another inexplicable fact.


The most disturbing statement by Uytengsu which the PBA board and the Commissioner’s Office must worry about and act on is the warning that if Alaska sees the foundation of the pro league crumbling beyond repair and where graft and corruption becomes the norm, he would have to look elsewhere because the PBA won’t be a viable medium of entertainment.


Fred is saying there is graft and corruption now but it hasn’t grown to the proportions that would convince him to quit the league. It is obvious that there are violations of the salary cap and even though another fine governor, JB Baylon, agreed with Fred, Baylon maintained it is very hard to prove.


Given the PBA’s own propensity to play with numbers and finagle in their presentation, how could we expect integrity in evaluating numbers?


Take the recurring claim in press releases that the PBA had a banner year because it grossed P90 million in gate receipts last season compared to P75 million the previous season. It was portrayed as a 20 percent increase, conveniently ignoring the fact that there was one extra conference last season.

Logically, if the PBA grossed P75M in two conferences it should have grossed somewhere in the vicinity of P112.5M not P90M for three conferences! In fact, it was a shortfall not an increase as any accounting person would tell you.


It’s patently clear that the PBA has some major problems it needs to tackle, swiftly and decisively. For a start it would be best to listen to what Fred Uytengsu has to say. The gentleman always makes sense because he knows what he’s talking about.

[Roseblade13]

Inside Sports (http://sports.inquirer.net/column/inside-sports)

Listen to what Uytengsu is saying

By Ronnie Nathanielsz (http://sports.inquirer.net/byline/ronnie-nathanielsz)
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://sports.inquirer.net/source/philippine-daily-inquirer) 10:22 pm | Sunday, September 4th, 2011


Alaska team owner and avid sportsman Fred Uytengsu doesn’t talk about the PBA very often. But when he does he always makes sense and certainly doesn’t mince words—a trait that endears the gentleman to us.


Mr. Uytengsu may not always be one hundred percent correct in his claims but he is very near the mark for sure, which to us, is both acceptable and refreshing.


For those of us who have watched the PBA since day one in 1975, there are clear signs that give credence to Uytengsu’s claims on a number of issues.


No question, it’s not a level playing field. It can never be if there is multiple ownership of teams which the esteemed late commissioner Rudy Salud was clearly against.


The last conference was a clear example of a format that encouraged teams or at least provided an environment in which they could pick and choose who to play in the championship. Realistically, we cannot blame a coach for using the opportunity given him, which we are certain all the coaches who criticized it would have availed of, if they were in the same position.


The PBA failed to even invite Petron coach Ato Agustin to explain his public statement that Talk ‘N Text coach Chot Reyes picked the wrong team to meet in the finals. This implied that Chot deliberately lost to Petron Blaze in their last meeting in the semifinals so they could face the Boosters again in the finals rather than Barangay Ginebra.


It resulted in a backlash from fans of the crowd favorites and ultimately hurt the PBA.


This could never be glossed over by claiming huge crowds attended the championship games.


When the PBA didn’t summon Agustin for his uncalled for postgame gesture in which he challenged Reyes to a fight and when Chot did the decent thing and declined, he called him “bakla,” it raised quite a few eyebrows. Is this acceptable behavior? Certainly not.


Right now, there are concerns over how teams that cannot trade directly use willing conduits at a price, to get what they want. Players getting a maximum salary from a winning team and still wanting out is another inexplicable fact.


The most disturbing statement by Uytengsu which the PBA board and the Commissioner’s Office must worry about and act on is the warning that if Alaska sees the foundation of the pro league crumbling beyond repair and where graft and corruption becomes the norm, he would have to look elsewhere because the PBA won’t be a viable medium of entertainment.


Fred is saying there is graft and corruption now but it hasn’t grown to the proportions that would convince him to quit the league. It is obvious that there are violations of the salary cap and even though another fine governor, JB Baylon, agreed with Fred, Baylon maintained it is very hard to prove.


Given the PBA’s own propensity to play with numbers and finagle in their presentation, how could we expect integrity in evaluating numbers?


Take the recurring claim in press releases that the PBA had a banner year because it grossed P90 million in gate receipts last season compared to P75 million the previous season. It was portrayed as a 20 percent increase, conveniently ignoring the fact that there was one extra conference last season.

Logically, if the PBA grossed P75M in two conferences it should have grossed somewhere in the vicinity of P112.5M not P90M for three conferences! In fact, it was a shortfall not an increase as any accounting person would tell you.


It’s patently clear that the PBA has some major problems it needs to tackle, swiftly and decisively. For a start it would be best to listen to what Fred Uytengsu has to say. The gentleman always makes sense because he knows what he’s talking about.


I think greed really has Karma don't you think.....even if it would not be proven what Uytengsu says I mean come on it tarnishes the league more

[durden_tyler]

Inside Sports (http://sports.inquirer.net/column/inside-sports)

Listen to what Uytengsu is saying

By Ronnie Nathanielsz (http://sports.inquirer.net/byline/ronnie-nathanielsz)
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://sports.inquirer.net/source/philippine-daily-inquirer) 10:22 pm | Sunday, September 4th, 2011


Alaska team owner and avid sportsman Fred Uytengsu doesn’t talk about the PBA very often. But when he does he always makes sense and certainly doesn’t mince words—a trait that endears the gentleman to us.


Mr. Uytengsu may not always be one hundred percent correct in his claims but he is very near the mark for sure, which to us, is both acceptable and refreshing.


For those of us who have watched the PBA since day one in 1975, there are clear signs that give credence to Uytengsu’s claims on a number of issues.


No question, it’s not a level playing field. It can never be if there is multiple ownership of teams which the esteemed late commissioner Rudy Salud was clearly against.


The last conference was a clear example of a format that encouraged teams or at least provided an environment in which they could pick and choose who to play in the championship. Realistically, we cannot blame a coach for using the opportunity given him, which we are certain all the coaches who criticized it would have availed of, if they were in the same position.


The PBA failed to even invite Petron coach Ato Agustin to explain his public statement that Talk ‘N Text coach Chot Reyes picked the wrong team to meet in the finals. This implied that Chot deliberately lost to Petron Blaze in their last meeting in the semifinals so they could face the Boosters again in the finals rather than Barangay Ginebra.


It resulted in a backlash from fans of the crowd favorites and ultimately hurt the PBA.


This could never be glossed over by claiming huge crowds attended the championship games.


When the PBA didn’t summon Agustin for his uncalled for postgame gesture in which he challenged Reyes to a fight and when Chot did the decent thing and declined, he called him “bakla,” it raised quite a few eyebrows. Is this acceptable behavior? Certainly not.


Right now, there are concerns over how teams that cannot trade directly use willing conduits at a price, to get what they want. Players getting a maximum salary from a winning team and still wanting out is another inexplicable fact.


The most disturbing statement by Uytengsu which the PBA board and the Commissioner’s Office must worry about and act on is the warning that if Alaska sees the foundation of the pro league crumbling beyond repair and where graft and corruption becomes the norm, he would have to look elsewhere because the PBA won’t be a viable medium of entertainment.


Fred is saying there is graft and corruption now but it hasn’t grown to the proportions that would convince him to quit the league. It is obvious that there are violations of the salary cap and even though another fine governor, JB Baylon, agreed with Fred, Baylon maintained it is very hard to prove.


Given the PBA’s own propensity to play with numbers and finagle in their presentation, how could we expect integrity in evaluating numbers?


Take the recurring claim in press releases that the PBA had a banner year because it grossed P90 million in gate receipts last season compared to P75 million the previous season. It was portrayed as a 20 percent increase, conveniently ignoring the fact that there was one extra conference last season.

Logically, if the PBA grossed P75M in two conferences it should have grossed somewhere in the vicinity of P112.5M not P90M for three conferences! In fact, it was a shortfall not an increase as any accounting person would tell you.


It’s patently clear that the PBA has some major problems it needs to tackle, swiftly and decisively. For a start it would be best to listen to what Fred Uytengsu has to say. The gentleman always makes sense because he knows what he’s talking about.

Nyahaha. Nathanielz oh Nathanielz. i wonder what would happen to him if he stops kissing ABSCBN's ass ;) Nathanielz credibility is off the roof if you know what i mean. :D

[durden_tyler]

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FireQuinito (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito) Fire Quinito
Wow. Go Pogi! RT @ronnathanielsz (http://twitter.com/ronnathanielsz) Former PBACommissioner Noli Eala to be named Sports Director of the giant San Miguel Corporation.
3 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/FireQuinito/status/109644037304229888)


Wow this would really prove withhout doubt that Noli Eala is indeed a part of San Miguel.

With regards to the scandal where Snow Badua is at the center of it, despite Snow's complaint to RSA and the official stand of the NPC, still Noli Eala gets promoted. That says it all.

Was there any doubt at all Nardy? By the way, does this mean he's in total war against MVP? Would you consider it a case of a very bad break up?

[elcian]

Was there any doubt at all Nardy? By the way, does this mean he's in total war against MVP? Would you consider it a case of a very bad break up?

Damn. More problems huh? I really do hope that this not create an even bigger rift between both the SMC and MVP groups. With Noli Eala now officially the head of SMC' basketball operations, expect more fireworks and "scandals" as there will be definite clashes and constant "one-upmanship."

[durden_tyler]

Damn. More problems huh? I really do hope that this not create an even bigger rift between both the SMC and MVP groups. With Noli Eala now officially the head of SMC' basketball operations, expect more fireworks and "scandals" as there will be definite clashes and constant "one-upmanship."

Do we really have to ask? i was sort of asking Nardy to get more in-depth on it but i think we know the answer. The issues with Noli with SBP was some missing funds correct (this was never investigated, so it remains a rumor)? Whatever happened to it? Or is MVP willing to forgive and forget?

Again, oh well. i don't care if we have issues every single day as long as we try to resolve them. Unfortunately, Nardy wouldn't divulge anything. (which is of course, understandable)

[reamily]

same level with Pato Gregorio:D Noli Eala


it would have been a great counter to Snow Badua if this appointment happen before the altercation...


ayan taga SMC ako:D:cool:

but what about his clique? package deal din ba?:eek:

[durden_tyler]

same level with Pato Gregorio:D Noli Eala


it would have been a great counter to Snow Badua if this appointment happen before the altercation...


ayan taga SMC ako:D:cool:

but what about his clique? package deal din ba?:eek:

From reports, oo daw.

So we're waiting for a post from our most beloved poster in 3... 2... 1... :D

[durden_tyler]

Japeth Aguilar, the controversial SMART-Gilas Pilipinas forward who became the subject of a tug-of-war between the national squad and his PBA team Air 21 after being drafted first overall in 2009, will be back in the PBA for the league’s 37th season.

The 6-foot-9 forward will strut his stuff for the Talk ‘N Text, which traded for his rights two years ago to allow him to join the national team.

Aguilar’s inclusion in the Tropang Texters for the season-opening Philippine Cup was confirmed by team manager Aboy Castro.

“After the [2011 FIBA-Asia Championship, Japeth will join us,” he said.

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/talk-n-text-begins-build-up-for-new-pba-season

So there you go ;)

[elytista]

for WSU to prove that SMC is not following the salary caps rules, why they turn down the offer of SMB before of Arwind Santos-Joe de Vance trade? in that manner they (Alaska) will absorbed the contract of Arwind and will know the details of the contract whether they follow the salary cap or not?

[durden_tyler]

for WSU to prove that SMC is not following the salary caps rules, why they turn down the offer of SMB before of Arwind Santos-Joe de Vance trade? in that manner they (Alaska) will absorbed the contract of Arwind and will know the details of the contract whether they follow the salary cap or not?

Either way, it's just very difficult to prove it.

i know Tanduay was penalized in 2001 (?) but of course their (brand) rivals of SMC so sa imbestigasyon pa lang talo na.

Does Uytengsu have a paper trail? Else, mahirap talaga.

[elytista]

Either way, it's just very difficult to prove it.

i know Tanduay was penalized in 2001 (?) but of course their (brand) rivals of SMC so sa imbestigasyon pa lang talo na.

Does Uytengsu have a paper trail? Else, mahirap talaga.

So WSU cannot prove that any or all SMC - MVP teams dont follow the salary cap... so he should stop bashing teams especially his old players in Willie Miller and JDV...

[durden_tyler]

So WSU cannot prove that any or all SMC - MVP teams dont follow the salary cap... so he should stop bashing teams especially his old players in Willie Miller and JDV...

And whining to the media doesn't help either. If you have proof, just show it. If you are still looking for proof, shut up and search and come back when you have one. Else, you're just seen as a mad idealist.

[paulezra]

There will never be a paper trail. I have a source ( practice player of san miguel). He said Arwin is getting 500 grand a month. In my previous post i mentioned about how on earth was San Miguel able to accomodate all the high maintenance players inspite of the salary cap ( before the trade). Pena had a huge salary in the defunct Mba before his transfer to the Pba. San Miguel had to match that to get him as a direct hire. Danny Ildefonso and Seigle with all their contributions during the championship years are surely getting the max. Olsen is a pillar of the organization. Dondons reputations surely gets the max. Washington was getting the max even with tnt. On top of that ...you had Miranda , yeo , Penissi , Lordy who are all solid Pba players. Imposibleng 3 seconds !

[durden_tyler]

There will never be a paper trail. I have a source ( practice player of san miguel). He said Arwin is getting 500 grand a month. In my previous post i mentioned about how on earth was San Miguel able to accomodate all the high maintenance players inspite of the salary cap ( before the trade). Pena had a huge salary in the defunct Mba before his transfer to the Pba. San Miguel had to match that to get him as a direct hire. Danny Ildefonso and Seigle with all their contributions during the championship years are surely getting the max. Olsen is a pillar of the organization. Dondons reputations surely gets the max. Washington was getting the max even with tnt. On top of that ...you had Miranda , yeo , Penissi , Lordy who are all solid Pba players. Imposibleng 3 seconds !

Exactly. No paper trail means no case.

As mentioned, what do you do with an elephant in the room?

[Big Ticket]

There will never be a paper trail. I have a source ( practice player of san miguel). He said Arwin is getting 500 grand a month.

did your source (practice player) see arwind's bank account?

[Big Ticket]

same level with Pato Gregorio:D Noli Eala


it would have been a great counter to Snow Badua if this appointment happen before the altercation...


ayan taga SMC ako:D:cool:

but what about his clique? package deal din ba?:eek:

should MVP get snow badua now? he already has firequinito...hehe

[durden_tyler]

should MVP get snow badua now? he already has firequinito...hehe

And what? Pirate his show to TV5? :D

[GoYankees]

for WSU to prove that SMC is not following the salary caps rules, why they turn down the offer of SMB before of Arwind Santos-Joe de Vance trade? in that manner they (Alaska) will absorbed the contract of Arwind and will know the details of the contract whether they follow the salary cap or not?

WSU is too smart for this rebuttal....

The player would have 2 existing contracts with a team. One is the official (submitted to the PBA) and the other is the supplemental ("under the table").

The player can still get his salary (supplemental contact) from his old team. He just needs to be silent about it.

[durden_tyler]

WSU is too smart for this rebuttal....

The player would have 2 existing contracts with a team. One is the official (submitted to the PBA) and the other is the supplemental ("under the table").

The player can still get his salary (supplemental contact) from his old team. He just needs to be silent about it.

If Uytengsu was smart then he should have investigated and tried to find evidence first. Now that he announced it to the media, am pretty sure the paper trails are burned and gone (if it indeed exists)... And well, which means as well the under the table deals should be done... WAY under the table :D

[reamily]

should MVP get snow badua now? he already has firequinito...hehe

i remember he quoted that we will sign Shawn Daniels as our naturalized player:eek::D

the guy has kicks on his articles sometimes but since he is working with some one now we still get his humor and insights sometimes nga lang watered down na:D:eek:

being the guy that come from that "school" the guy writes it with substance and has its own stand about it that's the thing you can like from him:D

[GoYankees]

I remember that sometime in the 90s, there was a report for monnthly salaries that Samboy Lim is the highest paid player with salary of 90k... then you would see Mon Fernandez (at that time, still the best Filipino player) getting less than half that amount. At first, you would think something's wrong with this picture...

But players have bonuses for such as:
1. games won
2. championships won

Other privileges:
1. Exclusive dealership of the team's product (1 SMB player helod this for Bulacan??)
2. Other privileges such as being a supplier of raw materials for the team (I think Mon supplies chicken for Purefoods before???)
3. 14th month, 15th month, 16th month, nth month pay

[kerouac82]

If I recall correctly, Shell rewarded its players with service stations.

[GoYankees]

If Uytengsu was smart then he should have investigated and tried to find evidence first. Now that he announced it to the media, am pretty sure the paper trails are burned and gone (if it indeed exists)... And well, which means as well the under the table deals should be done... WAY under the table :D

WSU is too smart for that particular rebuttal. As it has been done by Tanduay before...

It's like Chot Reyes... he can be labeled as smart as he is
1. multi champion coach
2. an Atenean (In an MBA broadcast, he describes a player being intelligent with the phrase "he has the aptitude for THE ATENEO"). Note: he was the one claiming the Atenean Superiority not me.

But he does not look smart when Ato Agustin said that it is Turing V and not Chot (as the latter was claiming) who discovered him.

[GoYankees]

1986, Quarterfinals game between Great Taste and Tanduay. Winner will be the 3rd Semifinalist (joining Ginebra and Manila Beer).
I can remember the newspapers saying that both teams have promised huge bonuses to its players if they win the game. It's like the championship game already.

1988, I remember reading from newspaper, JoeCon saying "bonus" to the All Filipino All-Amateur Swift-RP Team for upsetting corporate rival Purefoods Hotdogs Team lead by David Thirdkill.

Sta Lucia gives out land lots to its players as part of the package(?). probably this does not count for the salary cap(?)

[killmebusy]

i disagree with your rebuttals, it is not Uytengsu's job to investigate and support his claims...he is like the whistle blower of some sort. it is the pba comish or the games and amusement board or whoever who should investigate. was it unwise for him to call out the incompetence of the league? i don't think so...in fact that was the perfect opportunity to do so...otherwise he would not have been heard. he wasn't exactly bashing his foremer players per se, he was questioning the system as a whole making examples out of them.

paper trails surely won't exist but there are other means...why not look into the team's payroll account? or checking account if that's how they give out their salaries.

[reamily]

My favorite team gives halo halo and leche flans whenever we won a pba title..

tough times to my favorite team as this act would not result to change that everyone want tbh:D

it should be done in the proper fora

[GoYankees]

A player can be paid for appearing for his team's product commercials (tv , print ads), is this income covered in the Salary Cap? Probably not.

So this is a loophole (and legal)... team can say to the player "well if you do some advertisements for us, you can earn additional income."

[GoYankees]

i disagree with your rebuttals, it is not Uytengsu's job to investigate and support his claims...he is like the whistle blower of some sort. it is the pba comish or the games and amusement board or whoever who should investigate. was it unwise for him to call out the incompetence of the league? i don't think so...in fact that was the perfect opportunity to do so...otherwise he would not have been heard. he wasn't exactly bashing his foremer players per se, he was questioning the system as a whole making examples out of them.

paper trails surely won't exist but there are other means...why not look into the team's payroll account? or checking account if that's how they give out their salaries.

You are replying tio durden_tyler, right?

[durden_tyler]

i disagree with your rebuttals, it is not Uytengsu's job to investigate and support his claims...he is like the whistle blower of some sort. it is the pba comish or the games and amusement board or whoever who should investigate. was it unwise for him to call out the incompetence of the league? i don't think so...in fact that was the perfect opportunity to do so...otherwise he would not have been heard. he wasn't exactly bashing his foremer players per se, he was questioning the system as a whole making examples out of them.

paper trails surely won't exist but there are other means...why not look into the team's payroll account? or checking account if that's how they give out their salaries.

You are correct of course. However, will the move (media whining basically) encourage the commissioner to act on it? Probably. But without evidence, what can the commissioner really do?

Again, rich teams just find loopholes and take advantage of it, maximize it. It's not illegal per se if team do that.

[durden_tyler]

1986, Quarterfinals game between Great Taste and Tanduay. Winner will be the 3rd Semifinalist (joining Ginebra and Manila Beer).
I can remember the newspapers saying that both teams have promised huge bonuses to its players if they win the game. It's like the championship game already.

1988, I remember reading from newspaper, JoeCon saying "bonus" to the All Filipino All-Amateur Swift-RP Team for upsetting corporate rival Purefoods Hotdogs Team lead by David Thirdkill.

Sta Lucia gives out land lots to its players as part of the package(?). probably this does not count for the salary cap(?)

Allow me to repost this (i posted this but buried some pages back.):


As i mentioned in the other forum, in any pro league a team's value and capabilities is not at par with each other (though cap limits them if and when there's a salary cap)

The "big city" or "big market" vs. small city/market argument comes to mind. Assuming all other team concepts are equal, if you are a free agent being offered the max contract by one of: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc... versus being offered the SAME contract by one of: Minnesota, Milwaukee, New Orleans, etc... Wouldn't you sign with the former group?

Big city/market teams mean endorsement deals, probably movie/album deals, an active city lifestyle, etc. This is similar to the PBA bonuses-- outside of the "cap" and still legal-- it varies from one team to the other (as mentioned by nardong putik) not to mention future opportunities of being taken care of by your mother company (see: Ildefonso's babuyan, Ritualo's Air21 business, etc) again all legal with regards to respecting the salary cap.

It's the same thing in the PBA to an extent.

Imagine Alaska as being the San Antonio Spurs franchise here. Spurs aren't too cheap (like Alaska they spend just enough) but are very successful (like Alaska they've won some championships and are legit contenders the past decade); the Spurs don't attract big free agents with the lure of $$$ (like Alaska, they don't necessarily overpay players, even stars) and built a competitive team via the draft or trades.

[CoJ]

again, if your doing illegal activities, you better be not stupid by leaving paper trail..I assure you, the SMC and MVP camps had mastered this craft, we could bark all we want, but we wont be able to find evidences

[Startah]

There will never be a paper trail. I have a source ( practice player of san miguel). He said Arwin is getting 500 grand a month. In my previous post i mentioned about how on earth was San Miguel able to accomodate all the high maintenance players inspite of the salary cap ( before the trade). Pena had a huge salary in the defunct Mba before his transfer to the Pba. San Miguel had to match that to get him as a direct hire. Danny Ildefonso and Seigle with all their contributions during the championship years are surely getting the max. Olsen is a pillar of the organization. Dondons reputations surely gets the max. Washington was getting the max even with tnt. On top of that ...you had Miranda , yeo , Penissi , Lordy who are all solid Pba players. Imposibleng 3 seconds !

WEH DI NGA?

translation: Best post i ever Genius...:D

[durden_tyler]

again, if your doing illegal activities, you better be not stupid by leaving paper trail..I assure you, the SMC and MVP camps had mastered this craft, we could bark all we want, but we wont be able to find evidences

And then there's the gray area (in form of bonuses) on the legalities of the (side) deals.

In short, Uytengsu's barking could be all for naught.

[killmebusy]

Allow me to repost this (i posted this but buried some pages back.):

great point on the small market/big market teams...actually most big market teams are over the salary cap, they are in what is called the luxury tax area...but there is still a hard cap wherein there is absolutely no way a team should be over. i learned about this in nba 2k10...it's ok to be above the salary cap if you have the money (which in the video game you obviously do) but the hard cap is in no way bendable. maybe the pba can implement this scheme as well. bonuses IMO should be included in the salary cap...coz it is stated in a player's contract, much like it is included in our annual salary. anyway we are merely discussing what uytengsu opened up, i mean we all know it's true right...sana lang there's something that can be done to correct it but unfortunately there isn't. like one guy said a couple pages back, if it's working in your favor would you speak up? that's just the sad reality...lopsided trades, under the table deals, uncontrollable payrolls, player selling, player buying, graft and corruption...welcome to the pba, welcome to the Philippines. :D

[Big Ticket]

.lopsided trades, under the table deals, uncontrollable payrolls, player selling, player buying, graft and corruption...welcome to the pba, welcome to the Philippines. :D

and you think it only happens in the phils, in the PBA? have you seen the line-ups of cska moscow, maccabi tel aviv, besiktas, real madrid?

[durden_tyler]

great point on the small market/big market teams...actually most big market teams are over the salary cap, they are in what is called the luxury tax area...but there is still a hard cap wherein there is absolutely no way a team should be over. i learned about this in nba 2k10...it's ok to be above the salary cap if you have the money (which in the video game you obviously do) but the hard cap is in no way bendable. maybe the pba can implement this scheme as well. bonuses IMO should be included in the salary cap...coz it is stated in a player's contract, much like it is included in our annual salary. anyway we are merely discussing what uytengsu opened up, i mean we all know it's true right...sana lang there's something that can be done to correct it but unfortunately there isn't. like one guy said a couple pages back, if it's working in your favor would you speak up? that's just the sad reality...lopsided trades, under the table deals, uncontrollable payrolls, player selling, player buying, graft and corruption...welcome to the pba, welcome to the Philippines. :D

As Big Ticket mentioned, we are not only pro team plagued by these problems... Heck, even FIFA has their own issues and it's not only financial that we see the irregularities...

Point is, there are ways to circumvent the current rules. But in fairness to the idealists and perfectionists, there are indeed ways to CUT DOWN or DISCOURAGE such acts.

And oh:

From Larry Coon (NBA CBA guru)


2. What is a soft cap? What is the difference between a soft cap and a hard cap? Which does the NBA have?

The NBA has a soft cap. A hard cap doesn't allow the cap to be exceeded for any reason. A soft cap, which the NBA has, contains exceptions which allow teams to exceed the cap under certain conditions. In practice, very few teams are ever under the cap during a season.

The NBA has no hard cap. That's why we see the Lakers and Mavs having ~100M salary. The NFL has a hard cap. NHL has no hard cap. The MLB has no sort of cap (i think, or it's a soft cap)

Anyway, it's the business model really and how it can work for you. The NFL just averted cutting games (lockout) and their 9 billion dollar business continues. The NHL worked it out as well. And the NBA... Well, hopefully they find a way out of the lockout as well. What i am saying is, if it works out for the league as a whole (if you can believe the reports that the PBA had a 90M pesos revenue this season) then expect no changes for the current system.

[killmebusy]

hmmm...the nba has both a soft and hard cap as pictured in nba 2k11.hehe the area between is the luxury tax area. example soft cap is 100M, hard cap is 150M.

@ big ticket

yeah but the european league has no cap whatsoever and if i recall correctly they don't really trade players, they literally sell them for an amount (that's how it is in fifa at least but i think that's how it is in basketball as well). That's why the teams you mentioned are like the yankees (oh i hate them so much), they are able to just buy players from other teams...they got no farm system, no minor league development...they wait na "mahinog" ang players from other teams then literally buy them when the time comes...sounds familiar? do we really want that? i mean, we get angry when a lopsided trade happens and when we know for a fact that the lina or chua group has again sold a player to another team but then we got no choice but to accept it...sad really.

[GoYankees]

again, if your doing illegal activities, you better be not stupid by leaving paper trail..I assure you, the SMC and MVP camps had mastered this craft, we could bark all we want, but we wont be able to find evidences

Unless there's a disgruntled employee turning into a Star Witness.:D

[paulezra]

WEH DI NGA?

translation: Best post i ever Genius...:D oh, are you the same guy who said Casio is better than Rubio? weh?

[paulezra]

WEH DI NGA?

translation: Best post i ever Genius...:D oh, are you the genius who said Casio is better than Rubio? Weh? :D Back to the topic, i remember Mon Fernandez when he was with Purefood. Part of his contract was awarding him a distributorship in the poultry business. Same goes with Art de la cruz ( Bulacan area )when he was playing for San Miguel. But aside from this, there are indeed under the table deals between agents and team owners. Theres just no way to find out or trace it because "walang resibo" so to speak. At least nowadays, in terms of balance of "power"..trades are scrutinized by salud so in a sense the blatant practice of player selling and hoarding is minimized.

[CoJ]

And then there's the gray area (in form of bonuses) on the legalities of the (side) deals.

In short, Uytengsu's barking could be all for naught.

@ Sir Durden, oh yeah, the legal loophole crap..=(

Sad to say, Uytengsu could bark all day, but as long as he can't produce evidence, technically he's only speaking of conspiracy theory, nothing more, nothing less

the burden of proof is on Uytengsu's camp, and I doubt any player would step up and speak against SMC and MVP..

or maybe, just maybe, the Senate might get involved again and have public hearings in aid of legislation pertaining to this matter (I doubt, both Cojuangco and MVP had allies in Senate)

[Cryotek]

Cone, SMC chief hold talks

By REY C. LACHICA and WAYLON GALVEZ
September 5, 2011, 9:35pm

MANILA, Philippines — If the reported visit of Tim Cone at Ramon S. Ang’s house at Forbes Park was an indication, then the former Alaska coach could soon be headed to handle one of three San Miguel Corporation teams in the PBA – most likely B-Meg.

It was not known what transpired in the rendezvous but sources said that the multi-titled coach, who recently parted ways with Alaska which he handled for 22 years, would soon be named as consultant of the team.

That would just be a step away from being named eventual head coach to replace B-Meg coach Richard del Rosario whose designation is acting coach.

Del Rosario is said to handle the team for just one conference before handing it over to Cone who gave Alaska 13 titles, highlighted by a grand slam in 1996.

Cone was reportedly accompanied by former PBA commissioner Noli Eala who is now one of Ang’s basketball lieutenants.

Eala, however, denied accompanying Cone.

But according to a San Miguel source there’s now someone negotiating for Cone to be part of SMC family and it’s just a matter of time before it will be finalized.

Cone is likely to get a mouth-watering contract – perhaps much bigger than what he was getting from Alaska before.

He surprised the basketball community last Thursday when he officially stepped down from team which he built and rebuilt over two decades along with team owner Fred Uytengsu Jr. and team manager Joaqui Trillo.

Contacted by the Bulletin, the 53-year-old Cone did not respond on the question regarding the visit, but what he mentioned is that he’s now open for negotiations with teams interested in him.
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/333304...ief-hold-talks

[potz05]

Salud warns PBA cap violators

MANILA, Philippines — PBA Commissioner Chito Salud, peeved at insinuations that salary caps are being violated with impunity, Monday declared that he will not hesitate to throw the book at teams if he established proof of alleged salary cap violations.

“Should I find actionable cases of salary cap breach, I will not waste time sanctioning the guilty parties. Violators be warned,” Salud cautioned.

Commissioner Salud was apparently reacting to a comment made by Alaska team owner Wilfred Uytengsu who insinuated that some PBA teams violated salary caps.

Salud warned Uytengsu to be careful with his allegations after the Alaska team owner said his team would leave the PBA if the league can’t control salary cap violations.

“The matters that he brought up, particularly the alleged violations of salary cap, are critical issues which must be discussed in reasonable manner, primarily within the confines of the PBA board room.

“To be clear, what Mr. Uytengsu advocates – the upholding of the rules of the league – is also my advocacy. I believe that the vast majority of our players and team officials abide by the rules, so it is unfair to tar them with sweeping statements,” Salud said.

“Let’s call a spade, a spade. By its very nature, this is one issue where proof is hard to come by and inuendos easy to make. But it does not mean it does not happen.”

At present there are 15 players who are being paid the maximum salary out of the 140 or so players with live contracts in the PBA.

Salud revealed they are being monitored by the Commissioner’s Office along with other players who are being paid close to the maximum salary.

He stressed that he has taken a pro-active position on the matter, but with discretion on the issue by not being vocal about it to prevent a trial by publicity.

“There are legitimate reasons for a player to move from one team to another; better chance at a championship, better coach-player chemistry, more playing time, etc. In short, it’s not just about the money,” Salud stressed.

Salud stressed that he strictly examines player movement and decides to look deeper into it if he finds reason to so.

He said it is not true that nothing can be done to address the issue. “I can bring in external parties, if necessary, to allow for deeper scrutiny.

“I will consult with all the team owners individually and harness their collective experience and viewpoint on the matter to resolve once and for all accusations of salary cap violations,” he said.

http://mb.com.ph/articles/333306/salud-warns-pba-cap-violators

[durden_tyler]

Salud warns PBA cap violators

MANILA, Philippines — PBA Commissioner Chito Salud, peeved at insinuations that salary caps are being violated with impunity, Monday declared that he will not hesitate to throw the book at teams if he established proof of alleged salary cap violations.

“Should I find actionable cases of salary cap breach, I will not waste time sanctioning the guilty parties. Violators be warned,” Salud cautioned.

Commissioner Salud was apparently reacting to a comment made by Alaska team owner Wilfred Uytengsu who insinuated that some PBA teams violated salary caps.

Salud warned Uytengsu to be careful with his allegations after the Alaska team owner said his team would leave the PBA if the league can’t control salary cap violations.

“The matters that he brought up, particularly the alleged violations of salary cap, are critical issues which must be discussed in reasonable manner, primarily within the confines of the PBA board room.

“To be clear, what Mr. Uytengsu advocates – the upholding of the rules of the league – is also my advocacy. I believe that the vast majority of our players and team officials abide by the rules, so it is unfair to tar them with sweeping statements,” Salud said.

“Let’s call a spade, a spade. By its very nature, this is one issue where proof is hard to come by and inuendos easy to make. But it does not mean it does not happen.”

At present there are 15 players who are being paid the maximum salary out of the 140 or so players with live contracts in the PBA.

Salud revealed they are being monitored by the Commissioner’s Office along with other players who are being paid close to the maximum salary.

He stressed that he has taken a pro-active position on the matter, but with discretion on the issue by not being vocal about it to prevent a trial by publicity.

“There are legitimate reasons for a player to move from one team to another; better chance at a championship, better coach-player chemistry, more playing time, etc. In short, it’s not just about the money,” Salud stressed.

Salud stressed that he strictly examines player movement and decides to look deeper into it if he finds reason to so.

He said it is not true that nothing can be done to address the issue. “I can bring in external parties, if necessary, to allow for deeper scrutiny.

“I will consult with all the team owners individually and harness their collective experience and viewpoint on the matter to resolve once and for all accusations of salary cap violations,” he said.

http://mb.com.ph/articles/333306/salud-warns-pba-cap-violators

Now we'll be able to see if the commissioner is all-bark as well :D

This is good PR from the office of the commissioner but until we see a "violator" get caught (double the points if its from MVP/SMC camp :D) then we can definitely say Salud is serious in the crackdown.

But like Uytengsu's words, Salud's own are as empty.

[potz05]

Now we'll be able to see if the commissioner is all-bark as well :D

This is good PR from the office of the commissioner but until we see a "violator" get caught (double the points if its from MVP/SMC camp :D) then we can definitely say Salud is serious in the crackdown.

But like Uytengsu's words, Salud's own are as empty.

It has been a hot topic.. but come to think of it. It does not only happen here but in other leagues and sports as well. Pessimistically, it will never stop. t has been there long before and will never die up until rules and regulations will be brought about.

[durden_tyler]

It has been a hot topic.. but come to think of it. It does not only happen here but in other leagues and sports as well. Pessimistically, it will never stop. t has been there long before and will never die up until rules and regulations will be brought about.

i'd like to know the exact rules and consequential punishment for salary cap violators too. According to that linked article it's around 10M penalty if and when they get caught.

That's virtually a third of the franchise fee (i believe last reported at around 30M if im not mistaken).. And even if the franchise fee is over that, say 50M, that's still a big chunk of it-- so teams would rather quit the league rather than pay it? Of course, if you're an MVP/SMC team that's just change for you in the greater scheme of things...

Here's my proposition, first, bonuses should be limited. And while it won't be counted against the cap, it should be documented as well. (This makes it virtually "part" of the cap, of course)

i know, to an extent, that doesn't make sense because we won't know or can't differentiate where the real salary ends and the bonuses starts.

Secondly, players should be punished as well. If the side deals called bonuses are limited and documented, the office of the commissioner will have an easier time monitoring such. And if the players are eventually punished then they'd be eventually hesitant in indulging in deals with rich to richer teams.

[killmebusy]

i'd like to know the exact rules and consequential punishment for salary cap violators too. According to that linked article it's around 10M penalty if and when they get caught.

That's virtually a third of the franchise fee (i believe last reported at around 30M if im not mistaken).. And even if the franchise fee is over that, say 50M, that's still a big chunk of it-- so teams would rather quit the league rather than pay it? Of course, if you're an MVP/SMC team that's just change for you in the greater scheme of things...

Here's my proposition, first, bonuses should be limited. And while it won't be counted against the cap, it should be documented as well. (This makes it virtually "part" of the cap, of course)

i know, to an extent, that doesn't make sense because we won't know or can't differentiate where the real salary ends and the bonuses starts.

Secondly, players should be punished as well. If the side deals called bonuses are limited and documented, the office of the commissioner will have an easier time monitoring such. And if the players are eventually punished then they'd be eventually hesitant in indulging in deals with rich to richer teams.

i think the bonuses should be included in the cap...everything should be stated in the player's contract and everything stated there should be under the cap. anything of value given to a player that isn't stipulated in the contract should be illegal and both the team and player accepting should be penalized...that's what they do in the NFL, or at least that's what they did before the new CBA...under the table deals should now be a thing of the past, geez...

[potz05]

i think the bonuses should be included in the cap...everything should be stated in the player's contract and everything stated there should be under the cap. anything of value given to a player that isn't stipulated in the contract should be illegal and both the team and player accepting should be penalized...that's what they do in the NFL, or at least that's what they did before the new CBA...under the table deals should now be a thing of the past, geez...

No can do.. A lot of players will not like that.. Added the fact that Bonuses are Bonuses it is a case to case basis whereas the cap is based on Monthly to yearly salary of the players. It will jeopardize the game to game bonuses.

Honestly, I really don't have any idea on how to deal with this mess cause frankly speaking it will cause havoc to the players if this bonuses will be included to the cap though if it continues it will continue the POWER teams to gain more POWER over the league which leads to lost of integrity.

Lessening will be good. But taking it out or including it to something else would be a nightmare.

As we all know, this big teams are stubborn and so do the players.

[durden_tyler]

i think the bonuses should be included in the cap...everything should be stated in the player's contract and everything stated there should be under the cap. anything of value given to a player that isn't stipulated in the contract should be illegal and both the team and player accepting should be penalized...that's what they do in the NFL, or at least that's what they did before the new CBA...under the table deals should now be a thing of the past, geez...

As i've pointed out, if that happens (if it is accounted for) then what's the difference really in increasing the Max to say 500,000 to 350,000 + bonuses since it all counts against the cap anyway.

As Pot has mentioned, its the turn of the players to whine about it if it is removed.

Uytengsu mentioned that Alaska's 350K was EQUAL to BMEG's 350K. Even in a perfect world without the bonuses, Uytengsu is mistaken. Of course a player would want to play for a team that takes care of their players eventually (say, member of the coaching staff, etc-- which of course, in itself could count as a "bonus" but more of a perk really)

[codcradle]

CASIO'S ELATION TURNS TO APPREHENSION

Published on September 5, 2011

WHAT was supposed to be a sure thing is now hanging in the balance for JV Casio.

The heady point guard tabbed as the No. 1 pick overall by Powerade in the recent PBA Rookie Draft
does not know what the immediate future holds after hearing word he will only be given a maximum
two-year contract by the Tigers.

“We’ve heard Powerade will only give a new contract after the third year and it will be based on
the performances of the player and the team,” admitted Casio’s player-agent, Charlie Dy, Monday.

“Parang hindi fair, kumpara sa ibang fellow first round picks ni JV na nabigyan ng
tig-ti-three-year contracts,” Dy pointed out.

Dy added they are already re-thinking their options, including one that has a very sour taste.

“Kapag ganoon nga ang nangyari, we can opt not to sign,” he said.

First, Casio and Dy are set to sit down with Powerade management Wednesday and Dy said they will
await the final word before plotting their next move.

“We just have to listen to what they have to say, about their plans for JV and with regards to the
team,” stated Dy.

Powerade board representative/team manager JB Baylon is out of the country and could not be
contacted for comment. But he has said the Tigers want to rationalize the contracts of the players,
especially the rookies, by basing any deal from how the player and team fared on their third year
together.

“How can one give out a guaranteed contract when one never knows how he and the team will turn out
together? I think a two-year contract is fair enough for potential,” said Baylon in a chat with
some sportswriters last week.

“I don’t believe in guaranteed (three-year contract). It should be based on team and individual
performance.”

Casio and No. 4 overall pick Marcio Lassiter were given identical tender offers last Friday, just
for the Tigers to own the rights to the two players who are stars for the Smart-Gilas national team.

Casio’s uncertain future is in stark contrast to Paul Lee, the No. 2 pick who was inked by Rain or
Shine last Friday to a three-year deal giving the combo guard the league maximum of P150,000 a month
with a guaranteed increase of 50 percent per year.

Even Dylan Ababou, tabbed at No. 10 by Barako Bull was inked to a maximum two-year pact by the
Energy.

Under league rules, a player can opt to sit it out for one year should he fail to come to terms with
the team that drafted him. But PBA commissioner Chito Salud has said the player must come up with a
very valid reason for his decision, else suffer sanctions. (NC)

http://www.pba.ph/news/entry/1127

[durden_tyler]

CASIO'S ELATION TURNS TO APPREHENSION

Published on September 5, 2011

WHAT was supposed to be a sure thing is now hanging in the balance for JV Casio.

The heady point guard tabbed as the No. 1 pick overall by Powerade in the recent PBA Rookie Draft
does not know what the immediate future holds after hearing word he will only be given a maximum
two-year contract by the Tigers.

“We’ve heard Powerade will only give a new contract after the third year and it will be based on
the performances of the player and the team,” admitted Casio’s player-agent, Charlie Dy, Monday.

“Parang hindi fair, kumpara sa ibang fellow first round picks ni JV na nabigyan ng
tig-ti-three-year contracts,” Dy pointed out.

Dy added they are already re-thinking their options, including one that has a very sour taste.

“Kapag ganoon nga ang nangyari, we can opt not to sign,” he said.

First, Casio and Dy are set to sit down with Powerade management Wednesday and Dy said they will
await the final word before plotting their next move.

“We just have to listen to what they have to say, about their plans for JV and with regards to the
team,” stated Dy.

Powerade board representative/team manager JB Baylon is out of the country and could not be
contacted for comment. But he has said the Tigers want to rationalize the contracts of the players,
especially the rookies, by basing any deal from how the player and team fared on their third year
together.

“How can one give out a guaranteed contract when one never knows how he and the team will turn out
together? I think a two-year contract is fair enough for potential,” said Baylon in a chat with
some sportswriters last week.

“I don’t believe in guaranteed (three-year contract). It should be based on team and individual
performance.”

Casio and No. 4 overall pick Marcio Lassiter were given identical tender offers last Friday, just
for the Tigers to own the rights to the two players who are stars for the Smart-Gilas national team.

Casio’s uncertain future is in stark contrast to Paul Lee, the No. 2 pick who was inked by Rain or
Shine last Friday to a three-year deal giving the combo guard the league maximum of P150,000 a month
with a guaranteed increase of 50 percent per year.

Even Dylan Ababou, tabbed at No. 10 by Barako Bull was inked to a maximum two-year pact by the
Energy.

Under league rules, a player can opt to sit it out for one year should he fail to come to terms with
the team that drafted him. But PBA commissioner Chito Salud has said the player must come up with a
very valid reason for his decision, else suffer sanctions. (NC)

http://www.pba.ph/news/entry/1127

Haha.

How stupid can Powerade get? i guess it's not only on the court that they suck. Off the court too. It's no wonder why they can't win basketball games. Such incompetent management.

[potz05]

CASIO'S ELATION TURNS TO APPREHENSION

Published on September 5, 2011

WHAT was supposed to be a sure thing is now hanging in the balance for JV Casio.

The heady point guard tabbed as the No. 1 pick overall by Powerade in the recent PBA Rookie Draft
does not know what the immediate future holds after hearing word he will only be given a maximum
two-year contract by the Tigers.

“We’ve heard Powerade will only give a new contract after the third year and it will be based on
the performances of the player and the team,” admitted Casio’s player-agent, Charlie Dy, Monday.

“Parang hindi fair, kumpara sa ibang fellow first round picks ni JV na nabigyan ng
tig-ti-three-year contracts,” Dy pointed out.

Dy added they are already re-thinking their options, including one that has a very sour taste.

“Kapag ganoon nga ang nangyari, we can opt not to sign,” he said.

First, Casio and Dy are set to sit down with Powerade management Wednesday and Dy said they will
await the final word before plotting their next move.

“We just have to listen to what they have to say, about their plans for JV and with regards to the
team,” stated Dy.

Powerade board representative/team manager JB Baylon is out of the country and could not be
contacted for comment. But he has said the Tigers want to rationalize the contracts of the players,
especially the rookies, by basing any deal from how the player and team fared on their third year
together.

“How can one give out a guaranteed contract when one never knows how he and the team will turn out
together? I think a two-year contract is fair enough for potential,” said Baylon in a chat with
some sportswriters last week.

“I don’t believe in guaranteed (three-year contract). It should be based on team and individual
performance.”

Casio and No. 4 overall pick Marcio Lassiter were given identical tender offers last Friday, just
for the Tigers to own the rights to the two players who are stars for the Smart-Gilas national team.

Casio’s uncertain future is in stark contrast to Paul Lee, the No. 2 pick who was inked by Rain or
Shine last Friday to a three-year deal giving the combo guard the league maximum of P150,000 a month
with a guaranteed increase of 50 percent per year.

Even Dylan Ababou, tabbed at No. 10 by Barako Bull was inked to a maximum two-year pact by the
Energy.

Under league rules, a player can opt to sit it out for one year should he fail to come to terms with
the team that drafted him. But PBA commissioner Chito Salud has said the player must come up with a
very valid reason for his decision, else suffer sanctions. (NC)

http://www.pba.ph/news/entry/1127

WTF! What the hell are doing Powerade! Sheesh.. :eek:

[AK-GNALAT]

and you think it only happens in the phils, in the PBA? have you seen the line-ups of cska moscow, maccabi tel aviv, besiktas, real madrid?

when did Euro football clubs have a salary cap? highest ever was C. Ronaldo at 94M Euro and the latest highest paid athlete ever is Eto'o at Anzhi with 20M Euro per season for 3 years(transfer fee undisclosed). That's higher than Kobe and A-Rod of NY Yankees :D

[killmebusy]

The occasion was to mark Tim Cone’s departure from the Alaska Aces after 22 years, but with the sports media spotlight trained on him, team owner Fred Uytengsu took it as an opportunity to blast the lack of balance in the Philippine Basketball Association
“The situation right now is that the PBA is not a level playing field anymore,” said Uytengsu on Thursday, in the same news conference to announce that Cone and Alaska were parting ways.
Despite his squad not having the reputation as a deep-pocket team, the Alaska owner revealed that the Aces, to the shock of most people in attendance, had the highest payroll in the PBA last season. This was despite the fact that in recent years, Alaska has been forced to trade star players like Willie Miller and Joe Devance, reportedly due to salary demands.
Added Uytengsu: “Here’s something you’ve got to ask yourself: Why did Willie Miller leave when he’s already getting the maximum salary? Why does Joe Devance want to leave, when he’s earning P350,000 a month and coming off a championship? Isn’t our P350,000 as good as the other team’s P350,000? It’s the same P350,000.”
But the Alaska CEO was only getting started. “You guys know there are players who make P500,000 or a million a month,” he said, referring to the league-wide perception that players receive more than the maximum salary because of side deals. “We have players on our team who are worth that max. We’ve got to do something about that.”
For the alleged proliferation of the practice, Uytengsu laid the blame at the feet of PBA commissioner Chito Salud, who assumed the position in 2010.
“What disappoints me was that when a new commissioner was named, we were given hope that some of the stuff will be cleaned up,” said Uytengsu. “I ask you commissioner, what’s going on? Why don’t you have evidence? That’s your job. You need to uncover this because we’re not idiots. I will be blunt about it because it gets to my goat.”
“The commissioner will have to come up with a leadership position and he has to be above the rest of the board.”
15 max players
Curiously, according to the PBA media bureau, there are only 15 players in the league who officially receive the maximum salary: Kerby Raymundo, James Yap, Joe Devance, Ranidel de Ocampo, Kelly Williams, Asi Taulava, Reynel Hugnatan, Mark Caguioa, Danny Seigle, Sonny Thoss, Tony dela Cruz, LA Tenorio, JR Reyes, Gary David, Gabe Norwood.
Four of the 15 max players are currently under contract with Alaska — a whopping 27 percent, or more than one-fourth, in a ten-team league. Two other players on the list — Joe Devance and Reynel Hugnatan — received their max deals while playing for Alaska.
Conspicuously missing from the list released by the PBA are superstars such as 2011 Most Valuable Player Jimmy Alapag, MVP runner-up Arwind Santos, 2011 Philippine Cup best player Jay Washington, and two-time MVP Miller, among many others.
Salud’s reply
Uytengsu’s strong words, however, were met by a relatively meek reply from Salud on Monday, four days after the Alaska owner’s initial pronouncements.
“Should I find actionable cases of salary cap breach, I will not waste time sanctioning the guilty parties,” said Salud in a statement released through the PBA’s media bureau. “Violators be warned.”
“To be clear, what Mr. Uytengsu advocates — the upholding of the rules of the league — is also my advocacy,” added the commissioner. “I believe that the vast majority of our players and team officials abide by the rules, so it is unfair to tar them with sweeping statements.”
“Let’s call a spade, a spade. By its very nature, this is one issue where proof is hard to come by and inuendos easy to make. But it does not mean it does not happen.”
In the release, Salud said that he decides to look deeper into player movements “if he finds reason to.”
“I can bring in external parties, if necessary, to allow for deeper scrutiny,” he added, before vowing to work with team owners to “resolve once and for all accusations of salary cap violations.”
Hard to prove
Powerade team governor JB Baylon, who serves as vice-chairman of the league’s Board of Governors, said that while he could understand Uytengsu’s frustration, a more formal course should have been taken.
“You can’t blame them for blurting things to the media, but ideally, the formal way is the better course,” said Baylon. “In that case, the commissioner can probably raise the matter to the executive committee of the board.”
But officials of other teams acknowledge that there is indeed an imbalance between the league’s richer teams and those with shallower pockets.
“Honestly, agrabyado talaga kami,” said one high-ranking team executive who asked not to be named. “Yung malalakas, lalong lumalakas.”
Another top official of a team, meanwhile, said that while they have their suspicions, it’s hard to prove anything without solid evidence. “Mahirap naman kasi patunayan eh, wala namang ebidensya so paano natin malalaman yan,” he said.
Meanwhile, representatives from the San Miguel Corporation stable and the Manuel V. Pangilinan group of companies had markedly different replies when asked to comment on Uytengsu’s outburst.
SMC director of basketball operations Robert Non wrote in a text message: “I think the PBA commissioner is in the best position to comment on said remarks by Mr. Uytengsu. That’s the proper forum.” The conglomerate controls three PBA teams: Barangay Ginebra, Petron Blaze, and B-MEG.
Talk ‘N Text board governor Ricky Vargas, for his part, had a more candid reply: “Factually, it may be difficult to prove, but logically, there is reason to suspect, so I tend to agree with Fred’s suspicion.”
Apart from Talk ‘N Text, the Meralco Bolts also belong to the MVP group. InterAKTV is part of InterAksyon.com, the online news portal of TV5, which is chaired by Pangilinan.
Alaska team manager and board representative Joaqui Trillo pointed out that his team has raised the issue many times to the league, but has been met by lack of support.
“I challenged them to be transparent, asked them that we can raise this and decrease that,” said Trillo. “I’ve suggested things to maintain parity in the league and give everyone a chance to win a championship.”
Major violation
Under PBA rules, salary cap violations are among the most major transgressions that a team can commit. If proven guilty, the league could deny a team its share from the PBA’s television revenues, which amount to tens of millions of pesos.
Curiously, Salud’s father, the late PBA commissioner Rudy Salud, penned the provision allowing for the heavy penalties.
There has been at least one proven case of salary cap violation in the league. In 2001, Jayvee Gayoso came forward to reveal details of his under-the-table deal with Tanduay.
Ricky Palou, who was involved in the investigation of the Gayoso-Tanduay case, said that it was easier to prove the violation since a player came forward to provide documentary evidence.
An insider who was privy to the details of the Tanduay salary cap violation case said that the PBA provides a reward for any player who would testify for such matters. Gayoso, in fact, earned millions of pesos for providing his testimony against Tanduay.
According to Palou, the lack of a witness willing to speak up would hamper any efforts to investigate salary cap violations.
“It makes the investigation easier if mayroong mga magsasalita and we can use those statements as part of the evidence,” he said.
Still, according to Palou, the commissioner could take a more proactive approach to try to dig out violations.
“The commissioner should also be on top of the situation and he should be above the board,” said Palou.
Rags to riches
But even while no proof has surfaced that teams are signing players to under-the-table deals, the very best talents, curiously, find themselves in the lineups of the league’s richer teams. Just over the past three seasons, perennial MVP contenders Williams, Santos, and Devance were traded for pennies on the dollar to teams that are part of either the SMC or the MVP group of companies.
There too, is the case of the Air 21 Express, now Barako Bull, which has gotten a reputation for trading away its marquee young players, often in exchange for future draft picks.
A partial list of former Air 21 first round draft picks who have since been traded away include Yancy de Ocampo (1st overall, 2002), Ren-Ren Ritualo (8th, 2002), Marc Pingris (3rd, 2004), Ranidel de Ocampo (4th, 2004), Jay Washington (1st, 2005), Mac Cardona (5th, 2005), KG Canaleta (6th, 2005), Arwind Santos (2nd, 2006), JC Intal (4th, 2007), Doug Kramer (5th, 2007), Yousif Aljamal (8th, 2007), Mark Borboran (6th, 2008), Japeth Aguilar (1st, 2009), Nonoy Baclao (1st, 2010), Rabeh Al-Hussaini (2nd, 2010), and Rey Guevarra (3rd, 2010).
Except for Borboran, who was traded to Alaska, all the other players were dealt to teams that belong to either the SMC or the MVP umbrella.
Perhaps not coincidentally, the Air 21 franchise has never won a championship in the PBA.
Big bonuses
But alleged side deals might not be the only reason players would want to play for a richer team. There’s a legal way for squads to give their players something beyond what is indicated in their contracts: bonuses.
According to Salud, bonuses are not counted against a team’s salary cap. Conceivably, any team can sign a P50,000-a-month deal with a player, and make up the difference in bonuses.
In his book Pacific Rims, author Rafe Bartholomew documented how whispers of the size of bonuses can travel from one locker room to another.
In the heat of the 2007 Fiesta Conference finals between the Alaska Aces and the Talk ‘N Text, who were then still known as the Phone Pals, Bartholomew wrote: “[Alaska] coaches had heard the players’ whispers that their Talk ‘N Text counterparts received game bonuses several times larger than the ones Alaska paid. Even when the Phone Pals lost, they supposedly took home more cash than the Aces.”
Nuclear option
While the PBA may have a hard time proving any salary cap violations, it is already suffering the effects of the perceived uneven playing field in at least one important aspect: the opinion of the fans. Throughout message boards all over the Internet, a common chorus is that the PBA is now just another battlefield between SMC and MVP teams.
For now, teams like Alaska stand in the middle of the pack, and with occasional success, prove that the PBA is more than just an SMC and MVP league.
But Uytengsu said that if the PBA does nothing to address the current situation, his team might not be in the league for long.
“If we see that the foundation of the PBA has crumbled beyond repair and that graft and corruption is prevailing, then we believe the league won’t be a viable medium of entertainment anymore and that’s the time for us to go,” he said.
http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/uneven-playing-field-the-pba-is-a-league-of-haves-and-have-nots


Reynel Hugnatan is getting the max pay while Alapag "reportedly" is not? regarding the bonuses...heck like i said, bonuses are a way to circumvent the salary cap...then what's the use of even having a salary cap if bonuses are not counted in it?

oh and in reply to DT and Pot,

well if the players don't like it then i think it's about time for a CBA...much like the NFL just had, much like the NBA is currently trying to resolve. problem with the current PBA salary scene is that there is no structure, no definition...i say sit down, fix the mess and make a concrete salary/salary cap mold. it would only take a couple months at most...

[AK-GNALAT]

...
@ big ticket

yeah but the european league has no cap whatsoever and if i recall correctly they don't really trade players, they literally sell them for an amount (that's how it is in fifa at least but i think that's how it is in basketball as well). That's why the teams you mentioned are like the yankees (oh i hate them so much), they are able to just buy players from other teams...they got no farm system, no minor league development...they wait na "mahinog" ang players from other teams then literally buy them when the time comes...sounds familiar? do we really want that? i mean, we get angry when a lopsided trade happens and when we know for a fact that the lina or chua group has again sold a player to another team but then we got no choice but to accept it...sad really.

but the football ecosystem of selling players for a fee is what made the FIFA World Cup the most prestigious single sport event. it makes teams from poor countries league to fall over to the national football association just their player to be included in the national squad in order for it to be showcased and attract the eye of foreign scouts.

also, it made possible the setting-up of kids training business for a very nominal fee (free or paid for kids with very high potential). they can recoup their investments later when they would sell the player.

Ajax is like this, when they sold Sneijder to Inter, it made possible for the club to have its operating expenses worry-free for the next five years even if they would not sell a single player in the interim.

[Silent Killer]

CASIO'S ELATION TURNS TO APPREHENSION

Published on September 5, 2011

WHAT was supposed to be a sure thing is now hanging in the balance for JV Casio.

The heady point guard tabbed as the No. 1 pick overall by Powerade in the recent PBA Rookie Draft
does not know what the immediate future holds after hearing word he will only be given a maximum
two-year contract by the Tigers.

“We’ve heard Powerade will only give a new contract after the third year and it will be based on
the performances of the player and the team,” admitted Casio’s player-agent, Charlie Dy, Monday.

“Parang hindi fair, kumpara sa ibang fellow first round picks ni JV na nabigyan ng
tig-ti-three-year contracts,” Dy pointed out.

Dy added they are already re-thinking their options, including one that has a very sour taste.

“Kapag ganoon nga ang nangyari, we can opt not to sign,” he said.

First, Casio and Dy are set to sit down with Powerade management Wednesday and Dy said they will
await the final word before plotting their next move.

“We just have to listen to what they have to say, about their plans for JV and with regards to the
team,” stated Dy.

Powerade board representative/team manager JB Baylon is out of the country and could not be
contacted for comment. But he has said the Tigers want to rationalize the contracts of the players,
especially the rookies, by basing any deal from how the player and team fared on their third year
together.

“How can one give out a guaranteed contract when one never knows how he and the team will turn out
together? I think a two-year contract is fair enough for potential,” said Baylon in a chat with
some sportswriters last week.

“I don’t believe in guaranteed (three-year contract). It should be based on team and individual
performance.”

Casio and No. 4 overall pick Marcio Lassiter were given identical tender offers last Friday, just
for the Tigers to own the rights to the two players who are stars for the Smart-Gilas national team.

Casio’s uncertain future is in stark contrast to Paul Lee, the No. 2 pick who was inked by Rain or
Shine last Friday to a three-year deal giving the combo guard the league maximum of P150,000 a month
with a guaranteed increase of 50 percent per year.

Even Dylan Ababou, tabbed at No. 10 by Barako Bull was inked to a maximum two-year pact by the
Energy.

Under league rules, a player can opt to sit it out for one year should he fail to come to terms with
the team that drafted him. But PBA commissioner Chito Salud has said the player must come up with a
very valid reason for his decision, else suffer sanctions. (NC)

http://www.pba.ph/news/entry/1127

1 week rule for draftees to sign to a team right? they didnt use that rule. oh well, casio's other option will be hehem Gilas v 2.0 :rolleyes:

2 year contract only given to some gilas boys? WHAAT? :eek: base on performance? Come on powerade :rolleyes:

[bognut]

“I don’t believe in guaranteed (three-year contract). It should be based on team and individual
performance.”

He should pay his players per day then.

I smell a sign and trade here... :o

[Silent Killer]

He should pay his players per day then.

I smell a sign and trade here... :o

Hehem MVP :rolleyes: Meralco should be a choice. ;)

[durden_tyler]

1 week rule for draftees to sign to a team right? they didnt use that rule. oh well, casio's other option will be hehem Gilas v 2.0 :rolleyes:

2 year contract only given to some gilas boys? WHAAT? :eek: base on performance? Come on powerade :rolleyes:

That's big for Gilas if that happens. However, SBP was quite sure they don't want to offer the players these contracts as previously witnessed as they have other plans-- more long-term probably.

The worst thing that could happen for Powerade is if Casio becomes an unrestricted free agent (which is what happens to draftees who can't agree with teams that drafted them)

i think at the end of the day, Powerade will find its senses and bow down to the demands of Casio and his agent. It's simply common sense.

[Jay P. Mercado]

He should pay his players per day then.

I smell a sign and trade here... :o

My best guess is that Powerade will give in and offer their top two picks the guaranteed max contracts for 3 years. Those are two players that will form the building blocks for their future so to lose them is not an option.

Assuming Powerade doesn't, I see Casio and Lassiter going back to the national team until the Tigers relents and finally decides to give them their 3-year contracts or opts to trade them to another team willing to give the max. Salud really has no choice - a player refusing to sign the contract because he feels that a 3-year contract is warranted is legitimate and cannot be disputed. Add to the fact that Casio is the top pick of the draft while Paul Lee, the second pick, was given the max contract by ROS a few days ago.

Another stupid move by Powerade. Note that the PBA Board already has agreed in principle that when offering contracts, the maximum period would only be good for 3 years. Gone are the days of long-term contracts that were offered to the likes of Kenneth Duremdes, Alvin Patrimonio, Danny Ildefonso, etc. This rule benefits the team owners already as shorter contracts are advantageous for the owners more than the players. But for Powerade to give contracts shorter than three years to the top pick of the draft and to the fourth pick is utterly incomprehensible. For Powerade's sake, I hope JB Baylon relents...

[durden_tyler]

My best guess is that Powerade will give in and offer their top two picks the guaranteed max contracts for 3 years. Those are two players that will form the building blocks for their future so to lose them is not an option.

Assuming Powerade doesn't, I see Casio and Lassiter going back to the national team until the Tigers relents and finally decides to give them their 3-year contracts or opts to trade them to another team willing to give the max. Salud really has no choice - a player refusing to sign the contract because he feels that a 3-year contract is warranted is legitimate and cannot be disputed. Add to the fact that Casio is the top pick of the draft while Paul Lee, the second pick, was given the max contract by ROS a few days ago.

Another stupid move by Powerade. Note that the PBA Board already has agreed in principle that when offering contracts, the maximum period would only be good for 3 years. Gone are the days of long-term contracts that were offered to the likes of Kenneth Duremdes, Alvin Patrimonio, Danny Ildefonso, etc. This rule benefits the team owners already as shorter contracts are advantageous for the owners more than the players. But for Powerade to give contracts shorter than three years to the top pick of the draft and to the fourth pick is utterly incomprehensible. For Powerade's sake, I hope JB Baylon relents...

.. which also means the current system is to blame.

If the PBA just copy the NBA contract rules for rookies, then we won't be having this problem year in and year out.

The NBA has a fixed salary scale for incoming first rounders: for example, 8M for 3 years for the #1 pick, 7M for 3 years for the #2 pick, 6M for the #3 pick. That's better because it a) avoids player's holdout and b) guaranteed money for the player (which means the draft itself has more value and will be more prestigious)

i'd like to think the PBA head honchos are thinking of plans of changing the rules.

[capitantiago]

.. which also means the current system is to blame.

If the PBA just copy the NBA contract rules for rookies, then we won't be having this problem year in and year out.

The NBA has a fixed salary scale for incoming first rounders: for example, 8M for 3 years for the #1 pick, 7M for 3 years for the #2 pick, 6M for the #3 pick. That's better because it a) avoids player's holdout and b) guaranteed money for the player (which means the draft itself has more value and will be more prestigious)

i'd like to think the PBA head honchos are thinking of plans of changing the rules.

the NBA rookie payscale was modified as a response to the ridiculous 10-year, $60M contract that former Purdue Boilermaker Glenn Big Dog Robinson sought from the Milwaukee Bucks, being the top overall pick of the 1994 NBA Draft.

but yeah, that was a BS move / PR by Baylon and Powerade. it should have been a no-brainer to give the top rookie pick with the max contract for rookies.

they should get one of us, say Sir Nardy or Sir JP as their board rep and/team manager. hahahaha

or maybe, the money has been allocated to Duremdes and Espino. :eek:

[thecoolcat]

3-way PBA deal: Barroca, Allado, Espiritu change places.

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/3-way-pba-deal-barroca-allado-espiritu-change-places

[bognut]

3-way PBA deal: Barroca, Allado, Espiritu change places.

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/3-way-pba-deal-barroca-allado-espiritu-change-places

seems like a fair deal.

Regarding Ilad, is he the one who punched a UE player (borboran or espiritu?) in the UAAP finals?

Dapat kunin ni Franz din yung nambatok kay Arwind Santos :D

Lets go green!

[potz05]

3-way PBA deal: Barroca, Allado, Espiritu change places.

http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/3-way-pba-deal-barroca-allado-espiritu-change-places

Fair deal but not yet approved. :D

[Johnny A]

ROFL pba's becoming a joke

Lina = shopinas, barako bull
MVP = meralco, tnt
RSA = petron, bgk, bmeg

7 of 10 teams controlled by 3 groups!!!
Alaska: kayo-kayo na lang naglalaban (will disband sooner than later)
:D:D:D

[killmebusy]

seems like a fair deal.

Regarding Ilad, is he the one who punched a UE player (borboran or espiritu?) in the UAAP finals?

Dapat kunin ni Franz din yung nambatok kay Arwind Santos :D

Lets go green!

the UE player was Fampulme :)

The DLSU asst team manager that hit arwind on the head is now retired i think...after the incident.hehe

i think the lina group should have tried to get maierhofer instead of allado...good thing barako traded away espiritu, this will open up playing time for ababou and maliksi.

[durden_tyler]

ROFL pba's becoming a joke

Lina = shopinas, barako bull
MVP = meralco, tnt
RSA = petron, bgk, bmeg

7 of 10 teams controlled by 3 groups!!!
Alaska: kayo-kayo na lang naglalaban (will disband sooner than later)
:D:D:D

Actually, there's still Rain or Shine.
So,tt's more like, Rain or Shine/Alaska: kaya natin yan!

You know, pride ;)

Even the Evil Empire falls-- Alaska has proven that time and again. Rain or Shine looking to follow suit. (Barako, Air 21 looking to earn off the bigwigs :D)

And don't worry, Alaska won't go anywhere. Yet. And if they do. Good riddance, Alaska it's as if PBA won't survive without them ;)

[Silent Killer]

Actually, there's still Rain or Shine.
So,tt's more like, Rain or Shine/Alaska: kaya natin yan!

You know, pride ;)

Even the Evil Empire falls-- Alaska has proven that time and again. Rain or Shine looking to follow suit. (Barako, Air 21 looking to earn off the bigwigs :D)

And don't worry, Alaska won't go anywhere. Yet. And if they do. Good riddance, Alaska it's as if PBA won't survive without them ;)

and the other team powerade ;) :rolleyes: until now they havent sign marcio and casio.. Tik Tok tik tok :rolleyes:

[durden_tyler]

and the other team powerade ;) :rolleyes: until now they havent sign marcio and casio.. Tik Tok tik tok :rolleyes:

Come on now. You do know they will eventually sign Casio.

They are not that stupid, right? ;)

[Silent Killer]

Come on now. You do know they will eventually sign Casio.

They are not that stupid, right? ;)

hehe :D yes but why that long? 2 year contract for the number 1 pick? paul lee gets the 3 year contract for a 2nd pick? they acting stupid right now with contract negotiations :rolleyes: if they dont well i smell casio will continue play for gilas after wuhan and probably for sinag team in SEAG. :rolleyes:

[durden_tyler]

hehe :D yes but why that long? 2 year contract for the number 1 pick? paul lee gets the 3 year contract for a 2nd pick? they acting stupid right now with contract negotiations :rolleyes: if they dont well i smell casio will continue play for gilas after wuhan and probably for sinag team in SEAG. :rolleyes:

Yes, stupid. i never disagreed with that. But they will eventually get it.

Also, since the under the table deals are in discussions in recent deals, maybe Casio and Casio's agent wants bonuses for various achievements (semis appearance for Powerade; ROY award and the likes...) you know, maybe both camps are still haggling ;)

On Casio's stint with Gilas. Again, that would be the best case scenario for Casio. That is of course SBP wants to pay him-- remember, they had the chance to extend him before the draft and they never did.

[killmebusy]

Come on now. You do know they will eventually sign Casio.

They are not that stupid, right? ;)

again, product of a wrong and broken system...lee gets the max contract at #2 while casio at #1 is getting less? there should be a rigid salary scale, like how it is in the nba and nfl...

[durden_tyler]

again, product of a wrong and broken system...lee gets the max contract at #2 while casio at #1 is getting less? there should be a rigid salary scale, like how it is in the nba and nfl...

Actually, it's not different. It's the same (as with all first rounders)-- if you are good enough (and well, if your agent can sell you well :D)

However, the PBA can not protect itself from the incompetence of the Powerade management. :D

[dominique]

[English or provide translation]

[elytista]

My version of PBA Rankings for 37th season (OFF SEASON Edition)

With less than one month, the PBA will open its 37th season this October 2, 2011. All the 10 teams are so busy making their roster to become a force to reckon once the season starts. After the successful PBA 2011 Draft to Coach Tim Cone’s departure from his home for 22 years as a head coach up to the salary cap issues, let me grab this opportunity to rank all the teams on how will they perform this coming season.

TALK N TEXT – They are the defending AFC champion. And they will add Japhet Aguilar to their ultimate roster. Even though some of their players will be playing for the flag, expect this team to roll again and climb the first semi final seat all the way to the finals. And i’m sure Coach Chot Reyes again will don his fashionista attire every game. (Rank: 1)

PETRON BLAZE BOOSTERS – With the return of the Cebuano Hotshot, Dondon Hontiveros, and the welcome addition of Chris Lutz, 3rd pick over all and a Smart Gilas mainstay and center Carlos Sharma, expect a defense oriented PBB will try to win the AFC championship. With their old reliables Arwind Santos, Alex Cabagnot and Danny Ildefonso, they are still one of the team to beat this conference. (Rank: 2)

BMEG LLAMADOS – Their new coach Richard del Rosario, expect the Llamados, especially James Yap to take their time in the Richard del Rosario School of Free Throw shooting. With the impending rumor of Coach Tim Cone will handle the team this commissioner’s cup, Coach Richard will prove that he can carry the team all the way to the finals. The addition of Marc Barroca, this will speed up their game. Expect also Marc’s GF, Ruth, to be one of their muses? I hope so (Rank: 3)

RAIN OR SHINE ELASTO PAINTERS – With Paul Lee, the second over all pick, Gabe Norwood will find a scoring partner this AFC. Expect Coach Yeng Guiao, again, to parade his formidable team and get their position as one of the team in the Finals. (Rank: 4)

BARANGAY GINEBRA GIN KINGS – Jayjay Helterbrand signing 1 conference contract extension, Eric Menk signing 1 year contract and Rudy Hatfield defuses his bomb for good, what would Ginebra going to do this AFC? The never say die team of the PBA won’t answer the question, instead watch them and expect them to be as one of the top contenders this season. Surrounded by guards, we all know the capacity of this team and Coach Siot to deliver their A – game every night. Lone addition is Riel Cervantes, which will replace H-Bomb in his position. (Rank: 5)

ALASKA ACES – This team will be having their new coach after their ex-coach Tim Cone opted to be released in his contract. The new coach, Joel Banal will rely on his Big Three: LA Tenorio, Sonny Thoss and Cyrus Baguio. Still a competitive team with JR Reyes, Tony dela Cruz and new recruits like Mac Baracael, Ariel Mepana, Eric Salamat and Julius Pasculado. If these 4 rookies will be likely sign a deal with the Aces, this will bring youth and athleticism in their team, but if Joel Banal will inject a new system and dont rely on their rookies, they will likely end up in the middle of the standings. (Rank: 6)

MERALCO BOLTS – With their solid roster of Mac Cardona, Asi Taulava and Sol Mercado, expect Ryan Gregorio to rise and shine for the 37th season. Still, very active in this off season, able to get the services of Mark Macapagal, Chico Lanete and Mark Yee, and their pick Jason Ballesteros. Still, this team wants to be visible in the upper deck of the standings. (Rank: 7)

BARAKO BULL (formerly AIR 21) – New Name for Air21. With some issues regarding as the farm team of SMC and MVP teams, still Barako Bull is a very talented team. With Danny Seigle, Willie Miller, Dorian Pena, Paul Artadi and Wynne Arboleda, with their picks Allein Maliksi, Dylan Ababou and Ken Acibar, and returning Salvacion, Hubalde, Pennissi and Tugade, this is a very good team. I hope this team will again surprise us (not as a conduit team) and beat some powerhouse team. Miller and Seigle can still dominate the scoring chores for the team. (Rank: 8)

POWERADE TIGERS – Acquiring the 1st and 4th pick with JV Casio and Marcio Lassiter, both Smart Gilas starters, Powerade will improve their game this season. Before the draft, they acquired Doug Kramer and Josh Vandalingham from Rain or Shine, which bolster their lineup. Don’t expect that both Casio and Lassiter will turn the fortune of this team 360 degrees, it will be a total team effort. (Rank: 9)

SHOPINAS CLICKERS (formerly Barako Bull) – This team is very raw and some of their players is not relative known as offensive threats, I hope that Coach Franz Pumaren will inject his winning traditions and his “bigote charm” to make this team formidable. (Rank: 10)

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[durden_tyler]

TALK N TEXT – They are the defending AFC champion. And they will add Japhet Aguilar to their ultimate roster. Even though some of their players will be playing for the flag, expect this team to roll again and climb the first semi final seat all the way to the finals. And i’m sure Coach Chot Reyes again will don his fashionista attire every game. (Rank: 1)

PETRON BLAZE BOOSTERS – With the return of the Cebuano Hotshot, Dondon Hontiveros, and the welcome addition of Chris Lutz, 3rd pick over all and a Smart Gilas mainstay and center Carlos Sharma, expect a defense oriented PBB will try to win the AFC championship. With their old reliables Arwind Santos, Alex Cabagnot and Danny Ildefonso, they are still one of the team to beat this conference. (Rank: 2)

BMEG LLAMADOS – Their new coach Richard del Rosario, expect the Llamados, especially James Yap to take their time in the Richard del Rosario School of Free Throw shooting. With the impending rumor of Coach Tim Cone will handle the team this commissioner’s cup, Coach Richard will prove that he can carry the team all the way to the finals. The addition of Marc Barroca, this will speed up their game. Expect also Marc’s GF, Ruth, to be one of their muses? I hope so (Rank: 3)

i'd flip BMEG and Petron and maybe even rank ROS ahead of Petron, which i think way over achieved last conference. (For the season, they'd rank as average)

Anyway, you better post this at the PBA All Flip Thread i believe this belongs there.

Great try, i'd read the rest of the article when i do find time.

[killmebusy]

junel baculi is officially the barako coach right?

[potz05]

BMEG LLAMADOS – Their new coach Richard del Rosario, expect the Llamados, especially James Yap to take their time in the Richard del Rosario School of Free Throw shooting. With the impending rumor of Coach Tim Cone will handle the team this commissioner’s cup, Coach Richard will prove that he can carry the team all the way to the finals. The addition of Marc Barroca, this will speed up their game. Expect also Marc’s GF, Ruth, to be one of their muses? I hope so (Rank: 3)



Sorry if I may ask who's Ruth? Barroca's GF is Russel Anne Alinea.

[potz05]

junel baculi is officially the barako coach right?

Yup that's right.

[elytista]

Sorry if I may ask who's Ruth? Barroca's GF is Russel Anne Alinea.

Yup, my bad... sorry for the typos..

[killmebusy]

i can't believe edwin asoro and gio ciriacruz (both MVP contenders and mythical members during their final years in the UAAP and NCAA respectively) got cut from shopinas while hyram bagatsing and jr aquino are still being considered...whew.

[bognut]

i can't believe edwin asoro and gio ciriacruz (both MVP contenders and mythical members during their final years in the UAAP and NCAA respectively) got cut from shopinas while hyram bagatsing and jr aquino are still being considered...whew.

blood is thicker than talent ika nga. :rolleyes:

[st_ang3r]

i understand why asoro was cut. but ciriacruz? hmmmm...interesting. well i think coach franz wants to have players that knows his system than talent...

[rikhardur]

Thread too long, continues here (http://forums.interbasket.net/f32/pba-trades-releases-sign-ups-rumours-17944/).