PBA Trades, Releases, Sign-ups, Rumours (vol. II)

[capitantiago]

Yeah, sarcasm aside, do you really think Powerade has a chance to win any of the conference this year? i doubt it. At some point, teams may choose to sell their players and load on the "future"; too bad though there are lots of teams that thinks this way in the PBA ;) (Then again, 10 percent of NBA teams do it as well so i guess it's part of the teams grand plans)

why not?
my BMEG team may not be able to successfully defend its Philippine Cup title and Great Taste will still hold the distinction of the last team to have ever won back to back AFC crowns.
and SMB may continue to underachieve while BGK may be hampered by injuries.
Alaska may not consistently win games and may need dominant imports to do so.
TNT may also underachieve.
the point is, bilog ang bola. anything can happen. so why not go all out.

[Joe Yabuki]

why not?
my BMEG team may not be able to successfully defend its Philippine Cup title and Great Taste will still hold the distinction of the last team to have ever won back to back AFC crowns.
and SMB may continue to underachieve while BGK may be hampered by injuries.
Alaska may not consistently win games and may need dominant imports to do so.
TNT may also underachieve.
the point is, bilog ang bola. anything can happen. so why not go all out.

the difference between is that most of those teams are well funded, money isn't a factor for these team's operations, whereas for a team like powerade that is hampered by financial limits, it's not as bad as air 21 and barako bull though. Alaska on the other hand is a well managed team. something unfortunately powerade doesn't posses.

[durden_tyler]

why not?
my BMEG team may not be able to successfully defend its Philippine Cup title and Great Taste will still hold the distinction of the last team to have ever won back to back AFC crowns.
and SMB may continue to underachieve while BGK may be hampered by injuries.
Alaska may not consistently win games and may need dominant imports to do so.
TNT may also underachieve.
the point is, bilog ang bola. anything can happen. so why not go all out.

Well true. But when businessmen start running things they'd want to maximize whatever position they are in--- selling picks is a very good business these days. :D

Ideally, 'tiago is right we should have teams going all out all the time but but the reality is that it's not basketball people running these teams just pure businessmen...

[fadzki]

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A win against any South korean Team is always sweet... :D:D:D

[rspk]

damn. Jervy Cruz will surely be benched by Caloyski..

[grahamtelly]

Snow Badua
TAULAVA TO MERALCO GAINING GROUND... LATER ON TELEDYARYO SPORTS

[ramjo]

Saw this on facebook:

PAUL ASI TAULAVA traded to meralco bolts
49 minutes ago · Comment · Like

[nardy]

Facebook post by Asi:

Just been traded 2 meralco. on a new mission with da bolts. Tnks 2 my big Boss JB an management 4 everything, my bradr Gee, RJ an my sis cris 4 der friendship. wish u guys r da best an gud luck...43 minutes ago

[grahamtelly]

Saw this on facebook:

PAUL ASI TAULAVA traded to meralco bolts
49 minutes ago · Comment · Like

yeah for Rob Reyes

[kerouac82]

Facebook post by Asi:

Just been traded 2 meralco. on a new mission with da bolts. Tnks 2 my big Boss JB an management 4 everything, my bradr Gee, RJ an my sis cris 4 der friendship. wish u guys r da best an gud luck...43 minutes ago

Asi and Marlou on the same team! Yebbah! :D

[ariel_muhlach]

there were talks that Coach Ryan Gregorio would be happy to have James Yap join him at MERALCO and Mac Cardona is being dangled. Management is said to be supportive, as it would also make James available for Team Pilipinas. But Coach George Gallent does not want to hear about it. San Miguel is reportedly backing-up Gallent on this.

[ariel_muhlach]

Asi and Marlou on the same team! Yebbah! :D

this is the first time in PBA and Philippine Basketball history that the two would be on the same team.

I wonder how they would be .... remember it was Marlou who was the most active in having Asi deported and banned from coming back to the Philippines.

[kerouac82]

this is the first time in PBA and Philippine Basketball history that the two would be on the same team.

I wonder how they would be .... remember it was Marlou who was the most active in having Asi deported and banned from coming back to the Philippines.

Exactly my point. Didn't Marlou beg off from NT duties because of Asi's presence on the team?

[KevinDurant]

Asi and Marlou on the same team! Yebbah! :D

Asi will learn the "kili-kili" shot!

[Cryotek]

Asi will learn the "kili-kili" shot!

And Marlou will learn how to grab rebounds...hihihi!:rolleyes:

[nardy]

from Twitter:

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Asi and Rob Reyes straight trade. Powerade released Bono to Barako. Meralco's Jason Misolas and a future pick sent to Barako for Asi.
2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/patriciahizon/status/25202008472) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

[the_BuGs]

And Marlou will learn how to grab rebounds...hihihi!:rolleyes:

no.. he will be lazy to learn it :D

[Jay P. Mercado]

Here's something that should add spice to this discussion:

Barako wound up with three players while giving up only Rob Reyes. They got Kenneth Bono from Powerade, Jason Misolas from MECO and MECO's first round pick for 2013. This Reyes guy must be something for Barako to get so much out of this trade. :)

Unless, if rumors are true, that Maynilad Water, another MVP subsidiary, is all set to acquire the Barako franchise from George Chua in the coming season/s. There are reports that Maynilad is willing to co-sponsor Barako, not unlike what Harbour Center did for Barako last season. To get two role players for another role player is already a huge lopsided deal in favor of the Energy Coffee Masters but to acquire MECO's first round pick is eye-popping indeed.

[gergerbinx]

asi for rob reyes? and no future first round pick for coke? bullshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......:mad:

[nardy]

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Alaska mentor Cone slams PBA's handicapping system

09/21/2010 | 07:21 PM

The Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) is set to return to its old three-conference format and apply a handicapping system that will benefit low-ranked teams.

The twin ideas pushed by newly-installed league commissioner Chito Salud looks interesting for players and coaches, except for Alaska's mutli-titled mentor Tim Cone.

"The three-conference format is good for the teams, but I still like the two-conference format as it makes it difficult for teams to win championships," Cone told GMANews.TV in a telephone interview.

"And I'm not a fan of handicapping. It allows teams to stay bad and then give them reasons to be good later. Anytime you handicap, it takes away competitive edge and it perpetuates mediocrity," added Cone, owner of Alaska's 13 championships in the PBA.

The Grand Slam mentor added that there are teams right now whose interest is just to "make money and not win championships."

"We've seen these with the one-sided trades that are happening. If we allow handicapping, it will perpetuate mediocrity that’s been going on for several years now," said Cone.

Cone hopes the new commissioner would take a good look at such one-sided trades.

"I think that it needs to be addressed," said Cone. "I hope the new commissioner will do something about it."

Buckling down to work

Cone and the rest of the Aces arrived few days ago after spending a vacation in the United States. They went to Disneyland in Florida as part of their bonus for winning the Fiesta Cup crown.

The Aces will have their first practice session as a complete squad on Wednesday.

"Several guys are arriving from the United States. After a few practice sessions, we will fly to Cebu and play the Niños in a tune-up game," said Cone.

The winningest mentor among active coaches is excited to see all of his players, particularly new guys like Elmer Espiritu and Bonbon Custodio.

"Elmer (Espiritu) is as athletic as advertised," said Cone. "He's long and athletic. Bonbon (Custodio) is playing good as well. We haven't seen Marvin Hayes yet as he's currently playing for JRU."

Reunion with Alaska's greats

Former Most Valuable Player (MVP) awardees Johnny Abarrientos and Kenneth Duremdes, Jojo Lastimosa, Bong Hawkins, Poch Juinio and Sean Chambers, great cagers who played for Cone's team that established a dynasty in the '90s, and other former Alaska superstars will all be in one room on September 28 as the organization fetes its 25 Greatest Players ever.

"Imagine Johnny, Jojo, Kenneth, Sean and all those guys who played for us, together in one room, I can't wait for that moment," said Cone. "I'm also excited to see the older players."

Aside from the '90s squad, Alaska is also expected to fete three-time MVP and Hall of Famer Bogs Adornado, two-time MVP Abet Guidaben, and Yoyoy Vilamin, among others. - JVP/KY/Rey Joble, GMANews.TV

[Startah]

Good to see johnnyA Patches up things with alaska. hopefully he and wacky trillo see eye to eye in that event. Still remember those nasty rumors back then...

[DaveMap2007]

im not a fortune teller but marlou will be dealt for a younger center after Asi return in the ASIAD..just an insurance at the center slot

[Joe Yabuki]

Exactly my point. Didn't Marlou beg off from NT duties because of Asi's presence on the team?

that and probably he was too lazy to join :D

[capitantiago]

from Twitter:

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Asi and Rob Reyes straight trade. Powerade released Bono to Barako. Meralco's Jason Misolas and a future pick sent to Barako for Asi.
2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/patriciahizon/status/25202008472) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

lousy and lopsided deal!
tsk tsk tsk
pba is no longer this appetizing.
time to look for a better alternative.

[raichu08]

dont take me wrong, I'm a big RP team supporter as much as I support sarsi/swift/ sunkist/pop/coke/powerade, but I don't like this trade either. Just when they said they are gonna check in regards to lopsided threads and this happens.

[Joe Yabuki]

well, for what its worth Asi has no place in a rebuilding team like Powerade. Powerade is prolly planning to be a bad team and save a couple of bucks, on the next one or two seasons till the Gilas lottery comes. But trading a next year draft pick for a draft pick only to pass on the very next pick makes one to wonder what on earth will this franchise do in the future.

[capitantiago]

well, for what its worth Asi has no place in a rebuilding team like Powerade. Powerade is prolly planning to be a bad team and save a couple of bucks, on the next one or two seasons till the Gilas lottery comes. But trading a next year draft pick for a draft pick only to pass on the very next pick makes one to wonder what on earth will this franchise do in the future.

rebuilding? then they should trade (read: sell Espino) and should not have traded Paolo Mendoza for Chris Ross.

[pachador]

owning a PBA team is a lot of money. some of the PBA team owners are probably not doing well financially, hence the lopsided deals in exchange for cash, etc. lopsided deals are better than the teams going bankrupt or shutting down. its a matter of practicality. The world we live in is not perfect :)

[neo]

Asi shipped to Meralco on 6-player deal
By Nelson Beltran (The Philippine Star) Updated September 23, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (1)

MANILA, Philippines - Fil-foreign center Asi Taulava moved over to Meralco Bolts from Powerade (formerly Coca-Cola) as a result of a major trade deal made at the close of the PBA summit in Bangkok
, Thailand yesterday.

Meralco, Powerade and Barako Energy Coffee figured in a deal that also involved Ken Bono, Rob Reyes, Jason Misolas, rookie Khazim Mirza and a future draft pick by the Coffee Masters.

The Meralco B-Boys got Taulava while giving away Misolas and Mirza to the Coffee Masters.

The Tigers, meanwhile, ended up with Reyes and Barako’s second round pick in 2013 while letting go of Taulava and Bono.

In agreeing to be the third party in the Meralco-Powerade deal, Barako got Bono, Misolas and Mirza.

The trade was completed a few hours before the PBA bigwigs’ return flight to Manila through JB Baylon for Powerade, Patrick Gregorio for the Smart-PLDT group (Meralco) and Manny Mendoza for Barako.

“This may look as a retreat move for us. But looking back, nothing happened to us with our old lineup. Secondly, we’ll miss Taulava anyway so we might as well get someone else,” said Powerade coach Bo Perasol.

“Because we want changes, we’ll look at younger players. We’ll see who can we develop in our bid to make our team a winning squad,” Perasol added.

Meralco coach Ryan Gregorio said he’s still waiting for final details but admitted they’re after Taulava.

“Yes, we’re in search of a solid five man and Asi’s on top of our list,” said Gregorio.

Taulava’s presence will firm up the Meralco roster that already has solid players in Macmac Cardona, Marlou Aquino and Beau Belga. The 6-foot-9 behemoth, however, will miss some games late this year as he will reinforce the Smart Gilas team in the Asian Games in Guangzhou, China.

Meralco wants to make an impact right in its first season in the pro league.

The B-Boys play the Barangay Ginebra Kings in the season opener on Oct. 3 at the Araneta Coliseum.

At 37 last season, Taulava remained the best in rebounds and his overall performance was enough for him to get a spot in the Mythical Second Team.

Amassing 355 boards in the season, the 11-year league veteran hiked his career aggregate to 4297, jumping three rungs up to 14th in the league’s all-time most total rebounds list. He has a league-best career average of 12.383.

[ankle breaker]

will this affect asi's stint with gilas for the asian games? remember, it was powerade who loaned asi and not meralco.

[pachador]

meralco is majority owned by the owner of Gilas


will this affect asi's stint with gilas for the asian games? remember, it was powerade who loaned asi and not meralco.

[nardy]

will this affect asi's stint with gilas for the asian games? remember, it was powerade who loaned asi and not meralco.

Do you think MERALCO President & Chief Executive Officer Manuel V. Pangilinan would not allow Asi Taulava to join SMART GILAS? It was MVP's letter as Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas President which requested PowerAde to loan Asi for the Asian Games.

[ankle breaker]

my bad, i forgot it's MVP who also owned Meralco. i was thinking about ryan gregorio who is somehow looks greedy. anyway, he can't say no to his boss.

[insulares]

hmmm...parati yatang taya si MVP sa hiraman ng players, ah.

trans: MVP teams are always footing the bill for player "loans" to the NT.

Does this mean that (potentially) getting Dondon Hontiveros means having to directly buy his rights using either players or future considerations?

Or would San Miguel (and other non-MVP PBA teams) be willing to rise above boardroom politics to pitch in if the call to help ever comes?

Ask not what MVP can trade for you. Ask what you can do for your country. :D

[tukmol]

Ask not what MVP can trade for you. Ask what you can do for your country. :D

above quotation by John F. Insulares :D

[nardy]

hmmm...parati yatang taya si MVP sa hiraman ng players, ah.

trans: MVP teams are always footing the bill for player "loans" to the NT.

Does this mean that (potentially) getting Dondon Hontiveros means having to directly buy his rights using either players or future considerations?

Or would San Miguel (and other non-MVP PBA teams) be willing to rise above boardroom politics to pitch in if the call to help ever comes?

Ask not what MVP can trade for you. Ask what you can do for your country. :D


that would be difficult as MVP's group is in direct conflict with the San Miguel Group in a number of business endeavors. People forget that Ramon Ang of San Miguel was about to assume the Presidency of MERALCO but a backdoor transaction by MVP and the Lopez Group made MVP grab the control of MERALCO. At present, San Miguel is entering the telecommunications and internet market which is the territory of MVP.

[insulares]

above quotation by John F. Insulares :D

patent, i mean, trademark pending. :D:D

[ariel_muhlach]

that would be difficult as MVP's group is in direct conflict with the San Miguel Group in a number of business endeavors. People forget that Ramon Ang of San Miguel was about to assume the Presidency of MERALCO but a backdoor transaction by MVP and the Lopez Group made MVP grab the control of MERALCO. At present, San Miguel is entering the telecommunications and internet market which is the territory of MVP.

Don't forget that San Miguel got burned when Chot Reyes and Noli Eala were in charge. A big part of the hundred million of pesos of expenses during those years remain unaccounted for and unliquidated.

[insulares]

that would be difficult as MVP's group is in direct conflict with the San Miguel Group in a number of business endeavors. People forget that Ramon Ang of San Miguel was about to assume the Presidency of MERALCO but a backdoor transaction by MVP and the Lopez Group made MVP grab the control of MERALCO. At present, San Miguel is entering the telecommunications and internet market which is the territory of MVP.

Which is why I never kept my hopes high when Dondon's name cropped up (even though I strongly agree with the choice).

But hey, it's never bad to hope for a change of heart (or miracles?).


Don't forget that San Miguel got burned when Chot Reyes and Noli Eala were in charge. A big part of the hundred million of pesos of expenses during those years remain unaccounted for and unliquidated.

Yes, this is completely understandable.

But my belief is if we make a successful return to the Asiad (and the PBA's definition of success from a box-office perspective is nothing less than an Asiad crown), then the PBA would see the light (of cash registers?:p) and possibly loosen their pursestrings for future help to the SBP even further. That's just my opinion.

Of course, even with the insertion of 2 PBA players and possibly Douthit, I'm still keeping my expectations modest. But a finals appearance is not out of the cards given the potential absence of some other countries' A-teams (if they even participate at all).

Getting off-topic here, but recall that the SBP's aim for this "barometer" tournament at the start of the year was a semis stint. With the addition of PBA players, it's not unreasonable to stretch the expectation a bit more depending on where you stand.

[nardy]

let's just be thankful that MVP is there to share his wealth for the benefit of Philippine Basketball. We cannot force others to help as they could be encountering their own financial or business problems.

actually San Miguel already did their part a lot of times in the past. Maybe if the economy picks-up, we could see some help coming in somewhere.

Right now MVP is gambling a lot in making sure SMART GILAS competitive even at the expense of Talk N Text and MERALCO in the PBA.

I would not be surprised if a trade would take place between MERALCO and BMeg so that James Yap could be available for Team Pilipinas.

[st_ang3r]

i'm just confused with taulava to meralco trade. lots of different version...did powerade got a first round pick from barako bull?

[nardy]

i'm just confused with taulava to meralco trade. lots of different version...did powerade got a first round pick from barako bull?

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Taulava joins Meralco in 5-player, 3-team trade

Rey Joble, GMANews.TV
09/22/2010 | 07:00 PM

Meralco, the youngest franchise in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), will have two of the league’s tallest and oldest frontliners in its squad – Marlou Aquino and Asi Taulava.

Yes, the two 6-foot-9 big men will now be sharing playing minutes every game for the Bolts after the league’s newest member agreed on a three-team, multi-player trade that involved Powerade, Barako Bull, forwards Jason Misolas, Ken Bono, Rob Reyes, and a 2013 second-round pick.

Taulava will team up with the explosive Mac-Mac Cardona in forming up the Bolts’ 1-2 punch.

The trade is expected to be finalized late Wednesday.

Taulava, who was earlier allowed by the PBA to join the RP-Smart Gilas national developmental team to the Asian Games this November, is headed back to a squad owned by businessman/sportsman Manny V. Pangilinan.

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Asi Taulava (shown in this file photo playing for Coca-Cola) will become the main man up front of the Meralco Bolts. GMANews.TV

Taulava played for Mobiline/Talk N Text from 1999 until the 2007-2008 PBA season when he was traded to the Coca-Cola Tigers in exchange for Ali Peek.

Reyes, a young 6-foot-5 forward, will go to the Tigers together with the 2013 second-round pick.

The Energy Boosters, who acted as conduit, will get Misolas and Bono.

“Rob (Reyes) is not the player whom we expect to fill up the spot vacated by Asi, but at least this is a step towards rebuilding for the future. I see good potential in Rob. We may be a step backwards right now, but I’m sure we will be few steps forward in the future," Perasol told GMANews.TV.

Meralco team manager Virgil Villavicencio said in a telephone interview he doesn’t have any knowledge on the details of the recent trade, but confirmed that the squad has indeed acquired Taulava.

“It’s management to management. I’m not aware of the details of the transaction," said Villavicencio.

But a highly-placed source who is privy to the matter said the move was made to immediately bolster the team’s frontline.

“The good thing about this trade is it doesn’t take away anything from Meralco’s future," said the source, who requested anonymity. “No future pick is involved in the transaction, while it will answer an immediate need as far as shoring up their frontline is concerned. In reality, both Asi and Marlou can still help the squad. In the NBA, the frontliners are still playing even in their 40s, for example, Dikembe Mutombo. Shaq (O’Neal) is nearing 40, yet is still an asset to any team."

The 37-year-old Taulava, who won the Most Valuable Player award in 2002, is still the PBA’s leading rebounder, averaging 11.4 caroms per game while also norming 11.2 points.

Barako Bull coach Junel Baculi was a little disappointed upon learning that Reyes was one of the players involved in the trade.

“He’s been doing pretty good and he has shown improvement," said Baculi of his ward. “We’ve established some sort of chemistry in our team’s practices, then all of a sudden, the player is no longer part of your team anymore. But what can we do? Such things happen in the PBA."

Last season, Reyes averaged 5.3 points and 2.9 rebounds per game. – KY/JVP, GMANews.TV

[bognut]

I would not be surprised if a trade would take place between MERALCO and BMeg so that James Yap could be available for Team Pilipinas.

wow! i would be...

i hope MVP purchases the PBA. :o:D

[ariel_muhlach]

i'm just confused with taulava to meralco trade. lots of different version...did powerade got a first round pick from barako bull?

huh its very clear .... there's no 1st round pick involved. Kindly backread and understand next time.

from:

PowerAde: Asi Taulava, Ken Bono
MERALCO: Jason Misolas, Khazim Mirza
Barako Bull: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick
to:

PowerAde: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick
MERALCO: Asi Taulava
Barako Bull: Jason Misolas, Ken Bono, Khazim Mirza

wow! i would be...

i hope MVP purchases the PBA. :o:D


that would be bad news for Philippine Basketball .... it would be death to the PBA.

Who would like to watch a inter-company league of the same owner. That would result in possible favoritism and game manipulation.

[eindhow]

huh its very clear .... there's no 1st round pick involved. Kindly backread and understand next time.

from:


PowerAde: Asi Taulava, Ken Bono
MERALCO: Jason Misolas, Khazim Mirza
Barako Bull: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick


to:


PowerAde: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick
MERALCO: Asi Taulava
Barako Bull: Jason Misolas, Ken Bono, Khazim Mirza


Well, Meralco emerged as the winner in this one.. Barako came 2nd while Powerade dead last..

On the positive side, getting Taulava would be much easier for SBP because of we-know-why.. And on another postive note, let's hope Ken Bono starts his career with Barako.. He really deserves a better PBA career than being a super bench warmer since he started.. The most interesting part as some of you pointed out is that Marlou and Asi are teammates..:D

Mirza would be with fellow Thomasian alumnus Jojo Duncil.. Though they didn't become teammates, the UST connection will be there.. Just worried about his thin frame, though he slightly bulked up after he graduated.. How about getting another Thomasian in Mark Canlas, Barako??:D

Rob Reyes, known to miss point blank shots, (that's how I know him..:rolleyes:) maybe would have more opportunities to improve this time around.. I dunno..

[capitantiago]

wow! i would be...

i hope MVP purchases the PBA. :o:D

then it's going to be Pangilinan Basketball Association. lol

[st_ang3r]

huh its very clear .... there's no 1st round pick involved. Kindly backread and understand next time.

from:


PowerAde: Asi Taulava, Ken Bono
MERALCO: Jason Misolas, Khazim Mirza
Barako Bull: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick


to:


PowerAde: Rob Reyes, Barako's 2013 second-round pick
MERALCO: Asi Taulava
Barako Bull: Jason Misolas, Ken Bono, Khazim Mirza


Sorry SIR!!! was confused because last night there was a news from a reliable sportscaster (was in his status in facebook) that barako bull's 2013 first round pick was included in the trade (going to powerade).

[CoJ]

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Taulava joins Meralco in 5-player, 3-team trade

Rey Joble, GMANews.TV
09/22/2010 | 07:00 PM

Meralco, the youngest franchise in the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA), will have two of the league’s tallest and oldest frontliners in its squad – Marlou Aquino and Asi Taulava.
KY/JVP, GMANews.TV


Asi and Marlou in one team? this would be interesting

[iandi_dunka]

Asi and Marlou in one team? this would be interesting

i think its really nice.. veteran centers.. :)

[13wowowee]

is mirza included in the trade? i thought he's not..ryt?

[ariel_muhlach]

is mirza included in the trade? i thought he's not..ryt?


He is.

[jologs]

Smart to replace Nelson as coach

By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports

Don Nelson has been pushed out as Golden State Warriors coach and replaced with assistant Keith Smart, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Nelson, the all-time winningest coach in NBA history, will officially resign and accept a settlement on the $6 million owed him on his contract.

New Warriors owner Joe Lacob was determined to replace Nelson as coach, and Nelson, sources said, was glad to take his money and return to retirement in Hawaii.

The Warriors have their media day on Monday and open training camp on Tuesday.

“I don’t think the new owner liked Nelson’s style of coaching. That’s what it boils down to,” a source with knowledge of the situation told Y! Sports’ Marc Spears. “They’re saying he quit, but Lacob wanted to go in a different direction.”

Smart is working on a contract with the Warriors, and it’s still being negotiated whether he’ll be given a deal guaranteed beyond the 2010-11 season, a source said.

Former Warriors forward Calbert Cheaney, a special assistant under Nelson, will be promoted to the bench on Smart’s staff.

Lacob and Peter Guber purchased the Warriors from Chris Cohan for $450 million in July. League sources expect the NBA to officially approve the new ownership group around Oct. 21.

Nelson was in his second stint coaching the Warriors after taking over the team prior to the 2006-07 season. The Warriors stunned the top-seeded Dallas Mavericks in the first round of the playoffs in Nelson’s first season, but failed to reach the postseason the following year despite winning 48 games. Golden State went a combined 55-109 under Nelson the past two years.

In 31 seasons as an NBA head coach, Nelson has a career record of 1,335-1,063. He passed Lenny Wilkens as the league’s all-time leader in coaching victories in April.

Isn't he the former San Miguel Beer import?

[Jay P. Mercado]

Yes he is. Played for the San Miguel Beermen in the 1989 Reinforced Conference. He was replaced by another former NBA veteran Ennis Whatley, who powered the Beermen to the championship enroute to a Grandslam.

[capitantiago]

Yes he is. Played for the San Miguel Beermen in the 1989 Reinforced Conference. He was replaced by another former NBA veteran Ennis Whatley, who powered the Beermen to the championship enroute to a Grandslam.

Keith Smart made the winning shot in the 1987 NCAA Finals which gave the Hoosiers the title over Syracuse.

[CoJ]

i think its really nice.. veteran centers.. :)

didn't Marlou testified in the Senate years ago against the likes of Taulava? and Marlou didn't want to play for the NT because of Taulava (or due to the pay?)

[jorgeeeeiiis]

that would be bad news for Philippine Basketball .... it would be death to the PBA.

Who would like to watch a inter-company league of the same owner. That would result in possible favoritism and game manipulation.

Do you know that PBA had been the cancer of Philippine basketball the moment it was created in 1975?

before PBA was created Philippines was the most dominant NT in asia, when PBA was created all RP's best player turned pro and is not eligible anymore to play international game until the 90's when fiba allowed pro's to participate but the problem is that theres not enough preparation for our players.

for sure if PBA did not exist these scenario would happen:

1. Philippines will always be on the top 3 best team of asia and will be regularly competing in fiba worlds and olympics
2. we will already have a filipino playing in the NBA maybe we might even have the distinction as the first asian race to have a player in the NBA.

it would be better if PBA is replaced by a pro league that it's season will not be in conflict with major international tournaments like chinese and lebanese basketball association.

[CoJ]

Do you know that PBA had been the cancer of Philippine basketball the moment it was created in 1975?

before PBA was created Philippines was the most dominant NT in asia, when PBA was created all RP's best player turned pro and is not eligible anymore to play international game until the 90's when fiba allowed pro's to participate but the problem is that theres not enough preparation for our players.

for sure if PBA did not exist these scenario would happen:

1. Philippines will always be on the top 3 best team of asia and will be regularly competing in fiba worlds and olympics
2. we will already have a filipino playing in the NBA maybe we might even have the distinction as the first asian race to have a player in the NBA.

it would be better if PBA is replaced by a pro league that it's season will not be in conflict with major international tournaments like chinese and lebanese basketball association.

Pure speculation my brother, the rest of Asia has already surpassed the Philippines come the 1990s regardless if the PBA existed or not. The reason why we were dominant during the 60s and 70s is due to the fact that Basketball was not yet that proliferated in Asia during that time frame.

[iandi_dunka]

didn't Marlou testified in the Senate years ago against the likes of Taulava? and Marlou didn't want to play for the NT because of Taulava (or due to the pay?)

if i remember correctly it was something to do with the security if players get injured or something like that.. and the NT has no liability so no guarantee.. he was thinking of his job after the NT stint i guess.. not really sure though.. :confused:

[rspk]

is mirza included in the trade? i thought he's not..ryt?

Baculi said Mirza has not showed up for practice even once..

[reamily]

Baculi said Mirza has not showed up for practice even once..

lol what is Mirza thinking is he expecting to be playing in a team other than barako bull:D:D

[el scorcho]

lol what is Mirza thinking is he expecting to be playing in a team other than barako bull:D:D

I agree. He would be redundant for most other teams.

[Joe Yabuki]

Baculi said Mirza has not showed up for practice even once..

Reed Juntilla should talk to him :D

anyhow he should just be thankful that he's drafted, since he hasn't really done anything notable(aside from the few good games he had) on his amateur days

[rspk]

Reed Juntilla should talk to him :D

anyhow he should just be thankful that he's drafted, since he hasn't really done anything notable(aside from the few good games he had) on his amateur days

Mark Canlas would love to have his roster spot.. :)

[rspk]

Reed Juntilla should talk to him :D

anyhow he should just be thankful that he's drafted, since he hasn't really done anything notable(aside from the few good games he had) on his amateur days

Mark Canlas would love to have his roster spot.. :)

[pachador]

just guessing, maybe Mirza went to try out with a middle eastern or indian pro team. isnt his father indian bombay or something ?

[mayfel]

just guessing, maybe Mirza went to try out with a middle eastern or indian pro team. isnt his father indian bombay or something ?

mirza is included in meralco's line up look at here http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=5097857&id=551353858&ref=fbx_album&fbid=435153338858

[nardy]

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Yap back on court, to wear face mask
By Joaquin Henson (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=By+Joaquin +Henson) (The Philippine Star)
Updated October 01, 2010 12:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - Two-time MVP James Yap said yesterday he’s breathing comfortably after surgery to remove a polyp in his nose but it will take a few more weeks to get back his wind.


Yap will wear a protective nose mask when B-Meg makes its PBA season debut against Talk ‘N’ Text on Wednesday. Derby Ace coach Jorge Gallent said P. J. Simon will start in Yap’s place at off-guard as he slowly gets the former UE star back in the groove.


Yap showed up for shooting in his first practice since the operation the other day. He hadn’t been in a gym for three weeks. Yesterday, Yap joined teammates in his first hard practice with drills and lots of running.


“I’m hoping to play next Wednesday,” said Yap. “I don’t know how long I’ll play. I’ll probably be in and out of the court. I’m still working on my stamina. But I’m breathing fine and I’m feeling okay. I’m excited to play. I know the game will be more physical now. No more touch fouls. It will be a challenge to drive in because the referees will only call clear and hard fouls.”


Gallent said he was told Yap’s mask will cover only his nose. “It won’t cover his entire face,” he said. “I think his mouth will be exposed. It will be like a Batman mask.”


Gallent said B-Meg will start the season with 11 players suited up as Kerby Raymundo, Marc Pingris and Rafi Reavis are in sick bay. A move to reacquire first round draft pick Pari Llagas from the Philippine Patriots was scuttled because it will mean relegating one of the three injured mainstays to the reserve list where he technically becomes an unrestricted free agent despite a live contract.


Llagas was the ninth overall pick in the draft last August. He went to the Patriots in exchange for banger Jerwin Gaco, an undrafted free agent who made his PBA debut with Barako Bull last conference.


The 11 players in B-Meg’s lineup ready to play on Wednesday are James Yap, Roger Yap, Gaco, Simon, K. G. Canaleta, Jonas Villanueva, Rico Maierhofer, Don Allado, Jondan Salvador, Romel Adducul and Chris Timberlake. Gallent’s starters for Wednesday’s game will be Canaleta, Simon, Roger Yap, Salvador and Allado. Second round draft pick Val Acuna was signed as a practice player.



B-Meg team manager Alvin Patrimonio left for Los Angeles last night to check on the progress of Raymundo and Pingris who are undergoing theraphy at the Kerlan Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic. The two players have been away a month with team physical therapist Nick Ocampo. Raymundo underwent surgery to repair a muscle tear in his hip while Pingris was spared the knife after an examination showed a less serious tear also in his hip.


Patrimonio will assess the situation in Los Angeles and determine how much longer the treatment of the two players will take. The prognosis is

Raymundo has two more months of therapy to go and Pingris, slightly less.


Reavis suffered a fracture of his right middle finger during a recent scrimmage with the Patriots but will not need surgery. The injury will take six to eight weeks to heal.


Despite the depleted roster, B-Meg swept its three preseason assignments by outrebounding Rain Or Shine, the Patriots with two imports and Alaska.


“We lost a lot of height with Kerb, Ping and Rafi out but we’re holding our own off the boards,” said Gallent. “We had 65 rebounds against Rain Or Shine. K. G. is getting used to starting. He averaged 10 rebounds in our three practice games. We like the physical game. We’ve got physical players in Jondan, Romel, Don, Jerwn and Roger.”


Gallent explained why B-Meg is careful not to pick up a player and relegate one of the three injured stars to the reserve list.


“We remember what happened in the Sam Eman case,” said Gallent. “He was put on the reserve list with a year left in his contract. Then, he got an offer for a three-year contract from Alaska and left San Miguel. The same thing might happen to any of our three players if we put one of them in the reserve list.”


Gallent said B-Meg’s first two games this season will be tough. After Talk ‘N’ Text, the Llamados are scheduled to take on Alaska on Oct. 13.


James Yap said he’ll miss long-time teammate Paul Artadi who was traded to San Miguel for Villanueva but the swap will be beneficial to both players. Yap, Artadi and Gaco were teammates on the high school selection that won the Nike International championship in Taipei in 1999 under Gallent. Yap and Artadi later teamed up at UE.


“Both Paul and Jonas are quality point guards,” said Yap. “Now, we’ve got Roger, Jonas and Chris at point guard with P. J. and me at off-guard. I think our backcourt is solid.”


PBA chairman Rene Pardo of B-Meg said the revelation in the preseason is

Canaleta. “K. G. is doing it all, scoring, rebounding,” said Pardo. “Jonas is scoring and assisting. He played under Koy (Banal) at FEU so he’s not a complete stranger to us. Everyone is contributing. There’s no other option but to step up while we wait for Kerby, Ping and Rafi to come back.”


Canaleta, recipient of the Mr. Quality Minutes award from the PBA Press Corps the other night, said he’s ready for the physical play this season.



“We’re prepared,” he said. “We won’t settle for jumpshots. We’ll go strong inside. We’ve been practicing hard.”


As the Philippine Cup defending champion, B-Meg is looking forward to the challenge of keeping the crown with a new coach and a cast that’s itching to prove itself on the court.

[blackninja]

Meralco wins it first game!
The right way to start this conference:d

[Joe Yabuki]

well Mirza is still with Meralco.

[rspk]

did he play last night?

[Sakamoto]

did he play last night?
i didnt see him play .

galing pala nung weinstein sana hindi na lang pinakawalan ng alaska.

trans.

weinstein is really a good player.

[kaiziken_pinas]

Mico and Quinito commended him for his Defense. He sank a 3pointer in the 1st half as well. He orchestrates plays efficiently.

Great win by the Orange army. Natapatan ang Barangay! Great shot by Cardona, although he shot like 5/20. lol

Did you guys see that 3pointer by Tubid? LOL.

and of course, I loved when the Ginebra fans booed Cardona when he shot a free throw. If you saw how he reacted, You'd LOL!

[blackninja]

Mico and Quinito commended him for his Defense. He sank a 3pointer in the 1st half as well. He orchestrates plays efficiently.

Great win by the Orange army. Natapatan ang Barangay! Great shot by Cardona, although he shot like 5/20. lol

Did you guys see that 3pointer by Tubid? LOL.

and of course, I loved when the Ginebra fans booed Cardona when he shot a free throw. If you saw how he reacted, You'd LOL!

He used to it.
even during college days and now in PBA.
If you heard what he said in interview that he loves the game with Ginebra(sarap kalaban ng ginebra) with a grit smile.
heheh

[amamangloy]

hey no bono, calaguio for barako?

[ejbl]

i didnt see him play .

galing pala nung weinstein sana hindi na lang pinakawalan ng alaska.

trans.

weinstein is really a good player.


they didnt released him they just gave up their 10th pick to meralco w/c happened to be weinstein.. but come to think of it, weinstein could've been a perfect back-up for tenorio in alaska.

[ejbl]

hey no bono, calaguio for barako?

bono is still negotiating a contract with barako while calaguio did not make it to the final roster.

[ejbl]

Mico and Quinito commended him for his Defense. He sank a 3pointer in the 1st half as well. He orchestrates plays efficiently.

Great win by the Orange army. Natapatan ang Barangay! Great shot by Cardona, although he shot like 5/20. lol

Did you guys see that 3pointer by Tubid? LOL.

and of course, I loved when the Ginebra fans booed Cardona when he shot a free throw. If you saw how he reacted, You'd LOL!


its his way of saying, "Hay, na mis ko to!!"

translation:

"the pba is back in business!!"

[gergerbinx]

val acuna and pari llagas are not part of the bmegg active line up? sad. were they cut from the team? :confused:

[Joe Yabuki]

val acuna and pari llagas are not part of the bmegg active line up? sad. were they cut from the team? :confused:

Val Acuna wasnt given a contract, Pari Llagas was initially not to be given a contract as well but when Raffy Reavis got injured he was offered a contract, though at that time Llagas already signed a contract with the Philippine Patriots.

[gergerbinx]

oh well... wasted draft picks.. sayang...

[el scorcho]

oh well... wasted draft picks.. sayang...

too much talent on the roster..the key to getting signed now is 'market value.' How they determine that, I have no idea.

If ABS-CBN decided to make an upstart league (like the MBA) now, instead of 1998, it would do much better simply because there is an overflow of players.

Even MVPs of major college leagues can't find a slot.(Ken Bono, Dela Pena). There were also some promising Fil-fors and regional players who were under the limited radar.

[Silent Killer]

oh well... wasted draft picks.. sayang...

B-meg has lots of guards.

[durden_tyler]

too much talent on the roster..the key to getting signed now is 'market value.' How they determine that, I have no idea.

If ABS-CBN decided to make an upstart league (like the MBA) now, instead of 1998, it would do much better simply because there is an overflow of players.

Even MVPs of major college leagues can't find a slot.(Ken Bono, Dela Pena). There were also some promising Fil-fors and regional players who were under the limited radar.

There's Liga Pilipinas for that if you failed to notice.

[facaed2010]

He used to it.
even during college days and now in PBA.
If you heard what he said in interview that he loves the game with Ginebra(sarap kalaban ng ginebra) with a grit smile.
heheh

Capt. Hook used to it even his college days, every time Cardona enter and doing free throws you always heard booing in every corner of the venue, perhaps even la salle fans booed against him secretly.. LOL..

[nardy]

There's Liga Pilipinas for that if you failed to notice.

unfortunately when you sign-up with those teams, you are not really secured or confident there is continuity as the risk of the team folding-up within or after a certain conference is there. Only a few teams like Cebu and Laguna have their teams play or practice all year around. The other teams are more just on an on-call basis, I'll call you if we'll form a team next time. That's also the same thing that happened at the PBL. One by one, the bigger teams gone on leave of absence with no indication when they'll reactivating their team.

[durden_tyler]

unfortunately when you sign-up with those teams, you are not really secured or confident there is continuity as the risk of the team folding-up within or after a certain conference is there. Only a few teams like Cebu and Laguna have their teams play or practice all year around. The other teams are more just on an on-call basis, I'll call you if we'll form a team next time. That's also the same thing that happened at the PBL. One by one, the bigger teams gone on leave of absence with no indication when they'll reactivating their team.

Point taken. But this is even more stable with the MBA--- after all, we've seen how that ended. Liga Pilipinas is a start and a good alternative nevertheless.

[el scorcho]

Point taken. But this is even more stable with the MBA--- after all, we've seen how that ended. Liga Pilipinas is a start and a good alternative nevertheless.

Better if we don't have to form a new league and just re-amp the existing ones (PBL, Liga). But these leagues have ties that limit their development. My idea is to jump on the college hoops bandwagon run by the marketing monster ABS, which works, despite all its shortcomings.

The point is, the late MBA directly competed against the PBA and was rightfully trounced. Since then, ABS cultivated a new basketball market by pimping the college hoops. You gotta admit that they have their own niche now. Why not make use of this established market and the recent overflow of talent (which wasn't there in '98)?

[capitantiago]

Better if we don't have to form a new league and just re-amp the existing ones (PBL, Liga). But these leagues have ties that limit their development. My idea is to jump on the college hoops bandwagon run by the marketing monster ABS, which works, despite all its shortcomings.

The point is, the late MBA directly competed against the PBA and was rightfully trounced. Since then, ABS cultivated a new basketball market by pimping the college hoops. You gotta admit that they have their own niche now. Why not make use of this established market and the recent overflow of talent (which wasn't there in '98)?

sobra naman ang belief mo sa abs cbn. lol

translation: abs cbn is overrated! lol

mba won't have died quickly if they did not compete against the pba.
but because abs cbn had a grudge against the league, it used the mba for its revenge. wrong move for the mba to be used as a pawn.

[el scorcho]

sobra naman ang belief mo sa abs cbn. lol

translation: abs cbn is overrated! lol

mba won't have died quickly if they did not compete against the pba.
but because abs cbn had a grudge against the league, it used the mba for its revenge. wrong move for the mba to be used as a pawn.

LOL...nabisto mo ko.
trans: You caught my pseudo-fanboy status.

Well, they're doing a much better job than what the other network is doing with Gilas..which is nothing.

Seriously, common Filipino fans are not so aware of Gilas developments and they are our national team. They are more aware of the college rivalries.

[durden_tyler]

Better if we don't have to form a new league and just re-amp the existing ones (PBL, Liga). But these leagues have ties that limit their development. My idea is to jump on the college hoops bandwagon run by the marketing monster ABS, which works, despite all its shortcomings.

The point is, the late MBA directly competed against the PBA and was rightfully trounced. Since then, ABS cultivated a new basketball market by pimping the college hoops. You gotta admit that they have their own niche now. Why not make use of this established market and the recent overflow of talent (which wasn't there in '98)?

As 'tiago mentioned the biggest mistake was going head to head with the PBA. That was their downfall.

Now Liga and PBL, it sorts of (especially the PBL in the past years) complements the pro league, in one form or another.

If the merger pushes through (or continues?) by all means it could be the developmental league of the PBA indeed. Imagine if PBA goes on and create their own developmental league, these leagues will surely die if it hasn't seen its bitter end yet.

(Tangent: we are seeing similar patterns with the ABL. While it is a regional affair it still is becoming the "stepping stone" or maybe even, "tapunan" of the veterans who wouldn't make the cut in the PBA as well as young ones waiting for their big break. At the end of the day, all these leagues--- whatever their stature is---is healthy for Philippines basketball in general)

[capitantiago]

As 'tiago mentioned the biggest mistake was going head to head with the PBA. That was their downfall.

Now Liga and PBL, it sorts of (especially the PBL in the past years) complements the pro league, in one form or another.

If the merger pushes through (or continues?) by all means it could be the developmental league of the PBA indeed. Imagine if PBA goes on and create their own developmental league, these leagues will surely die if it hasn't seen its bitter end yet.

(Tangent: we are seeing similar patterns with the ABL. While it is a regional affair it still is becoming the "stepping stone" or maybe even, "tapunan" of the veterans who wouldn't make the cut in the PBA as well as young ones waiting for their big break. At the end of the day, all these leagues--- whatever their stature is---is healthy for Philippines basketball in general)

sir nardy previously mentioned that the PBA was closely monitoring T.O.P.

top businesses today are more into merger and consolidation. they don't build from the ground up.

[ariel_muhlach]

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Shit My Coach Says: Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talk about Yeng Guiao’s insults

I was in Lucena, Quezon this past weekend for my buddy Oliver’s 10-10-10 wedding (congratulations on your first marriage, pare!). Bored during the long drive late Saturday night, I came across a bunch of interesting tweets from Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talking about the funny shit that comes out of Yeng Guiao’s mouth during games. Gonzales currently plays for Guiao at Air 21, while Bugia was drafted by Guiao’s Red Bull team in 2005.

Gonzales started it all on Saturday morning, telling everyone about the hilarious “pep talk” they received from their coach after Air 21’s loss to San Miguel the night before:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk 2

Bugia said that he’d heard that one before, prompting Gonzales to come up with another:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

So Bugia came up with his own quotable quote:

Paolo Bugia Yeng Guiao pep talk

But as Gonzales’ next tweet shows, Yeng Guiao is as good at putting down opponents as he is at insulting his own players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Barako

Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha!

That might be the single funniest PBA-related putdown I’ve ever heard. In a single brilliant sentence, Guiao manages to insult both his players and the opponent. Just fucking hilarious. Also makes me wonder who the “adik” on Barako was. It must have been someone Yeng used to coach.

Crazy Yeng can also apparently be unforgiving when it comes to former players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Enrico

Someone should just go attend every Air 21 game and sit behind the Express bench to list down all the funny shit Yeng says on the sideline. Then they could put it on Twitter (@ShitMyCoachSays). Hey, it worked for the guy behind @ShitMyDadSays, whose massive following led to a book deal and a television show.

Posted by jaemark on October 11, 2010 at 23:17


Comments

#1 Eagle_Eye on 2010-10-12 01:42 (Reply)
WTF.... Yeng will shame Jawo with his verbal gems (read: old school motivation). lawls

#2 The Legendary Skyflakes25 on 2010-10-12 07:10 (Reply)
heir apparent ni kots k yung isang kots na kamukha ni allan k. lol

#3 aze on 2010-10-12 07:55 (Reply)
haha. nakakatawa. langyang kalbo yan,

#4 bball07 on 2010-10-12 10:43 (Reply)
i've heard one too.. "benta ka na naman!"- yg to a superstar in his redbull team way back 2009.;)

#5 mbrmrph on 2010-10-12 12:58 (Reply)
ang kulit ni coach YG. lol

#6 travis on 2010-10-12 12:59 (Reply)
"sayang ka bata, ang galing mo pa naman pero anlakas mo bumenta" -yg to a former air21 superstar, who was traded the next conference

#7 Noli Ayala on 2010-10-12 13:12 (Reply)
i *heart* Yeng Guiao. i wish i had his balls.

#8 Jayr on 2010-10-12 18:47 (Reply)
Tanong, alam kaya ni coach Yeng na pinaguusapan na siya dito sa cyberspace? :D

#9 Rodolfo Obniala on 2010-10-12 20:36 (Reply)
I hope Guiao coaches Purefoods someday. Hindi yung puro pa-tweetums na coach. :-))

#10 Mr. Pure Energy on 2010-10-12 22:04 (Reply)
ako ba yang sinabihan ni coach na magaling pero malakas bumenta?




CANT WAIT WHAT HAPPENS TO WESLEY AFTER GUIAO GETS TO READ THIS BLOG !!!! :D HOPE HE COULD BE A GOOD DRIVER ;)

[jrb0yd]

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Shit My Coach Says: Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talk about Yeng Guiao’s insults

I was in Lucena, Quezon this past weekend for my buddy Oliver’s 10-10-10 wedding (congratulations on your first marriage, pare!). Bored during the long drive late Saturday night, I came across a bunch of interesting tweets from Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talking about the funny shit that comes out of Yeng Guiao’s mouth during games. Gonzales currently plays for Guiao at Air 21, while Bugia was drafted by Guiao’s Red Bull team in 2005.

Gonzales started it all on Saturday morning, telling everyone about the hilarious “pep talk” they received from their coach after Air 21’s loss to San Miguel the night before:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk 2

Bugia said that he’d heard that one before, prompting Gonzales to come up with another:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

So Bugia came up with his own quotable quote:

Paolo Bugia Yeng Guiao pep talk

But as Gonzales’ next tweet shows, Yeng Guiao is as good at putting down opponents as he is at insulting his own players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Barako

Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha!

That might be the single funniest PBA-related putdown I’ve ever heard. In a single brilliant sentence, Guiao manages to insult both his players and the opponent. Just fucking hilarious. Also makes me wonder who the “adik” on Barako was. It must have been someone Yeng used to coach.

Crazy Yeng can also apparently be unforgiving when it comes to former players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Enrico

Someone should just go attend every Air 21 game and sit behind the Express bench to list down all the funny shit Yeng says on the sideline. Then they could put it on Twitter (@ShitMyCoachSays). Hey, it worked for the guy behind @ShitMyDadSays, whose massive following led to a book deal and a television show.

Posted by jaemark on October 11, 2010 at 23:17


Comments

#1 Eagle_Eye on 2010-10-12 01:42 (Reply)
WTF.... Yeng will shame Jawo with his verbal gems (read: old school motivation). lawls

#2 The Legendary Skyflakes25 on 2010-10-12 07:10 (Reply)
heir apparent ni kots k yung isang kots na kamukha ni allan k. lol

#3 aze on 2010-10-12 07:55 (Reply)
haha. nakakatawa. langyang kalbo yan,

#4 bball07 on 2010-10-12 10:43 (Reply)
i've heard one too.. "benta ka na naman!"- yg to a superstar in his redbull team way back 2009.;)

#5 mbrmrph on 2010-10-12 12:58 (Reply)
ang kulit ni coach YG. lol

#6 travis on 2010-10-12 12:59 (Reply)
"sayang ka bata, ang galing mo pa naman pero anlakas mo bumenta" -yg to a former air21 superstar, who was traded the next conference

#7 Noli Ayala on 2010-10-12 13:12 (Reply)
i *heart* Yeng Guiao. i wish i had his balls.

#8 Jayr on 2010-10-12 18:47 (Reply)
Tanong, alam kaya ni coach Yeng na pinaguusapan na siya dito sa cyberspace? :D

#9 Rodolfo Obniala on 2010-10-12 20:36 (Reply)
I hope Guiao coaches Purefoods someday. Hindi yung puro pa-tweetums na coach. :-))

#10 Mr. Pure Energy on 2010-10-12 22:04 (Reply)
ako ba yang sinabihan ni coach na magaling pero malakas bumenta?




CANT WAIT WHAT HAPPENS TO WESLEY AFTER GUIAO GETS TO READ THIS BLOG !!!! :D HOPE HE COULD BE A GOOD DRIVER ;)

thanks for this man. im now reading the tweets... yeng guiao is one hell of a motivator. (Dapat pagbutihin ninyo basketball niyo! Dahil pagkatapos nito, ano na trabaho niyo? Ni-Driver hindi kayo kukunin!" -YG, 2007) classic!

[gergerbinx]

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Shit My Coach Says: Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talk about Yeng Guiao’s insults

I was in Lucena, Quezon this past weekend for my buddy Oliver’s 10-10-10 wedding (congratulations on your first marriage, pare!). Bored during the long drive late Saturday night, I came across a bunch of interesting tweets from Wesley Gonzales and Paolo Bugia talking about the funny shit that comes out of Yeng Guiao’s mouth during games. Gonzales currently plays for Guiao at Air 21, while Bugia was drafted by Guiao’s Red Bull team in 2005.

Gonzales started it all on Saturday morning, telling everyone about the hilarious “pep talk” they received from their coach after Air 21’s loss to San Miguel the night before:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk 2

Bugia said that he’d heard that one before, prompting Gonzales to come up with another:

Wesley Gonzales Yeng Guiao pep talk

So Bugia came up with his own quotable quote:

Paolo Bugia Yeng Guiao pep talk

But as Gonzales’ next tweet shows, Yeng Guiao is as good at putting down opponents as he is at insulting his own players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Barako

Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha!

That might be the single funniest PBA-related putdown I’ve ever heard. In a single brilliant sentence, Guiao manages to insult both his players and the opponent. Just fucking hilarious. Also makes me wonder who the “adik” on Barako was. It must have been someone Yeng used to coach.

Crazy Yeng can also apparently be unforgiving when it comes to former players:

Wesley Gonzaes Yeng Guiao vs. Enrico

Someone should just go attend every Air 21 game and sit behind the Express bench to list down all the funny shit Yeng says on the sideline. Then they could put it on Twitter (@ShitMyCoachSays). Hey, it worked for the guy behind @ShitMyDadSays, whose massive following led to a book deal and a television show.

Posted by jaemark on October 11, 2010 at 23:17


Comments

#1 Eagle_Eye on 2010-10-12 01:42 (Reply)
WTF.... Yeng will shame Jawo with his verbal gems (read: old school motivation). lawls

#2 The Legendary Skyflakes25 on 2010-10-12 07:10 (Reply)
heir apparent ni kots k yung isang kots na kamukha ni allan k. lol

#3 aze on 2010-10-12 07:55 (Reply)
haha. nakakatawa. langyang kalbo yan,

#4 bball07 on 2010-10-12 10:43 (Reply)
i've heard one too.. "benta ka na naman!"- yg to a superstar in his redbull team way back 2009.;)

#5 mbrmrph on 2010-10-12 12:58 (Reply)
ang kulit ni coach YG. lol

#6 travis on 2010-10-12 12:59 (Reply)
"sayang ka bata, ang galing mo pa naman pero anlakas mo bumenta" -yg to a former air21 superstar, who was traded the next conference

#7 Noli Ayala on 2010-10-12 13:12 (Reply)
i *heart* Yeng Guiao. i wish i had his balls.

#8 Jayr on 2010-10-12 18:47 (Reply)
Tanong, alam kaya ni coach Yeng na pinaguusapan na siya dito sa cyberspace? :D

#9 Rodolfo Obniala on 2010-10-12 20:36 (Reply)
I hope Guiao coaches Purefoods someday. Hindi yung puro pa-tweetums na coach. :-))

#10 Mr. Pure Energy on 2010-10-12 22:04 (Reply)
ako ba yang sinabihan ni coach na magaling pero malakas bumenta?




CANT WAIT WHAT HAPPENS TO WESLEY AFTER GUIAO GETS TO READ THIS BLOG !!!! :D HOPE HE COULD BE A GOOD DRIVER ;)

Wesley Gonzales GOOD JOB! You've just put yourself on the trading block. LOL

[el scorcho]

Wesley Gonzales GOOD JOB! You've just put yourself on the trading block. LOL

Maybe on purpose?

[Big Ticket]

Maybe on purpose?

he will be traded to barako bull for sunday salvacion....then not get paid....

[Silent Killer]

no wonder Powerade RP team finish 8th place last 09 FIBA asiad championships

[durden_tyler]

no wonder Powerade RP team finish 8th place last 09 FIBA asiad championships

Nah, Yeng wasn't the problem. He was just a part of it.

How many players can survive the wrath of Yeng? i think there's only few players now who really have this certain toughness to them to survive Yeng's coaching/antics.

[Jay P. Mercado]

And if ever they do get along well with Guiao's system, expect this player to flourish, even with other teams. There are exceptions though, players who did well under Guiao and other coaches and those that did well only under Guiao. Names like Junthy Valenzuela, Lordy Tugade, Cyrus Baguio, Leo Najorda, Rico Villanueva, Kerby Raymundo, Willie Miller, Mick Pennisi, among others. Not really a bad list. Expect Ronnie Matias and Ronjay Buenafe's stocks to respectively rise as well as they continue playing well under Guiao's system.

[el scorcho]

And if ever they do get along well with Guiao's system, expect this player to flourish, even with other teams. There are exceptions though, players who did well under Guiao and other coaches and those that did well only under Guiao. Names like Junthy Valenzuela, Lordy Tugade, Cyrus Baguio, Leo Najorda, Rico Villanueva, Kerby Raymundo, Willie Miller, Mick Pennisi, among others. Not really a bad list. Expect Ronnie Matias and Ronjay Buenafe's stocks to respectively rise as well as they continue playing well under Guiao's system.

When their stocks rise, they'll be traded to SMB and TNT...

[silverwing]

When their stocks rise, they'll be traded to SMB and TNT...

Add Meralco and DerbyAce :D

[el scorcho]

Add Meralco and DerbyAce :D

You forgot BGK..

[nardy]

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The Final Score: The PBA Tempest named Yeng Guiao

By MICO HALILI
10/14/2010 | 12:08 PM

“Walang star-star sa akin! Lahat kayo pantay-pantay!
Kung ayaw mo dumepensa, umuwi ka na lang!"

– Yeng Guiao

If Air21 Head Coach Yeng Guiao confronts me after reading this column, Wesley Gonzales is to blame. A day after Air21’s season-opening loss to San Miguel, Gonzales shared one of many priceless quotes from his head coach:

@wesgon15 – worst combination: small heart with small brain - yg

One small tweet sparked a huge Twitter discourse between Gonzales and former Red Bull forward Paolo Bugia. Back and forth they went. Like Federer and Nadal, two PBA players walloped favorite Guiao-isms at each other to the delight of their Twitter followers. The exchange was captured in full by GMANews.TV contributor Jaemark Tordecilla on FireQuinito.com.

I was this close to sharing a daily Yeng Guiao picker-upper on Twitter myself (like those Paulo Coelho quotes so many people re-tweet). But I chickened out. I think Gonzales can do it (c’mon Wes, if you can convert Mueller ankle tape into a hideous headband, you can do this). Tordecilla can too. Tordecilla probably doesn’t enter the same chapel doors as Guiao on Sundays. I do. If I choose to be funny at Guiao’s expense, I might not make it past this Sunday’s Responsorial Psalm. When I nod at the fiery coach and mouth the words “peace be with you" in Mass, what I’m really saying is, “please don’t bite my head off if I say anything against your team tonight."

Although a referee’s nightmare, Guiao is a broadcaster’s dream. Television loves a coach with a spicy sense of humor and a spicier tongue. One of Guiao’s former players (now entered into the GMANews.TV witness protection program) shares the following Guiao-isms:

“Kahit mag-shooting ka buong araw pero duwag ka naman sa game, huwag ka na lang mag-shooting! Sayang lang pagod mo!"

“Bahala kayo diyan! Hindi ako tatawag ng time-out! Gawan niyo ng paraan yan!"

“Ref! Bakit foul? Bulag ka ba?"

…and my all-time favorite:

“Pumunta ka sa palengke, bumili ka ng puso ng saging, saksak mo sa baga mo!"

I sat 4 rows behind the Air21 bench in the Express’ game against Rain or Shine. I was right behind Air21 Team Governor Johan Ramos. After 2010 second overall pick Rabeh Al-Hussaini missed a shot, argued with a referee and failed to go back on defense, Guiao requested an audience with one of his prized rookies by screaming, “Hoy! Halika nga dito!" Ramos instantly turned to me and gave me a look as if to say, “I need to get used to this."

So I sat through three quarters waiting for a priceless sound-bite. I have a sinister hunch Guiao knew I was there. I came prepared. If by chance he spotted me after a bungled play by Air21, vented his ire on a columnist on a mission and gave me a stare that could slice cement in half, I would’ve simply nodded back and mouthed these calming words, “Coach, peace be with you." You already know what it really means. -- GMANews.TV

[nardy]

Mico Halili is correct this is a nice "bmotivational line" from Yeng Guiao. ;)

“Pumunta ka sa palengke, bumili ka ng puso ng saging, saksak mo sa baga mo!"

I would rank this as my 2nd most favorite.

For me the BEST is when Coach Sonny Jaworski gave a "sound instruction" to EJ Fiehl after some action in the shaded lane.

"EJ, Hawakan mo yung bola, hindi yan Tae!"

I wonder what Rabeh would be telling Japeth now that he is now under Yeng Guiao. I know Japeth what would say "I told you so .... kaya ko nga ayaw sa team nya, diba ok lang sa akin ma ban for life" ;)

[Jay P. Mercado]

What about Jaworski's instruction to his players: "Guys, I want you to go after the ball!" He gestured how to do this by going for a karate chop with his right hand towards his left hand's wrist! In the hearken days of basketball, the wrist was considered part of the ball, hence, the instruction! :)

Another Jaworski quip on one of his lemon imports at Ginebra named Driver: "akala ko Driver, yun pala, cochero!" :)

[nardy]

What about Jaworski's instruction to his players: "Guys, I want you to go after the ball!" He gestured how to do this by going for a karate chop with his right hand towards his left hand's wrist! In the hearken days of basketball, the wrist was considered part of the ball, hence, the instruction! :)

Another Jaworski quip on one of his lemon imports at Ginebra named Driver: "akala ko Driver, yun pala, cochero!" :)


One of the "best" plays I ever heard being instructed was caught on TV by Vintage then, it was a Ginebra game in the crucial last few seconds. With Playing-Coach Jaworski holding his white board and marker and Rino Salazar by his side.

While Drawing X's on the board Jawo was shouting loudly and clearly "this is you Chito, this is you Dondon, this you Mama, Terry you inbound the ball. Just give it to me and I'll do everything." :cool:

CLASSIC !!!!

[ogre]

One of the "best" plays I ever heard being instructed was caught on TV by Vintage then, it was a Ginebra game in the crucial last few seconds. With Playing-Coach Jaworski holding his white board and marker and Rino Salazar by his side.

While Drawing X's on the board Jawo was shouting loudly and clearly "this is you Chito, this is you Dondon, this you Mama, Terry you inbound the ball. Just give it to me and I'll do everything." :cool:

CLASSIC !!!!

this is you.. this is you... lol

I just love to hate Tatang Jawo, and I do miss him in the PBA.

[Jay P. Mercado]

That anecdote on the Big J calling out a play is eerily similar to a play he fashioned out with 3 seconds left in Game 4 of the AFC Finals between Ginebra and Tanduay. Tanduay led the Best of 5 series, 2-1, and was on the verge of victory after Jaworski was assessed a hacking foul against Freddie Hubalde inside the paint. Replays showed that Jaworski got "all ball" when he tapped the ball off Hubalde's palms, but the zebras ruled otherwise. Jaworski incessantly complained, even plead to them to look at the slow-mo replay to prove his case. The game was tied, and Hubalde went to the FT line and sank both FT's. Jaworski sued for time with 3 seconds left to inbound the ball in the halfcourt.

Jaworski mapped out a play, positioning everyone accordingly, and then retorted: pagka-inbound, libre ako jan, bigay mo sa akin ang bola...bahala na!" Arnaiz questioned the move as he wanted a play to be set up. Jaworski fired back, "wala ng oras pare, wala na!" The play got botched and Ginebra lost the championship to the Fernandez-led Tanduay Rhum Makers.

[lovejones]

Mico Halili is correct this is a nice "bmotivational line" from Yeng Guiao. ;)

“Pumunta ka sa palengke, bumili ka ng puso ng saging, saksak mo sa baga mo!"

I would rank this as my 2nd most favorite.

For me the BEST is when Coach Sonny Jaworski gave a "sound instruction" to EJ Fiehl after some action in the shaded lane.

"EJ, Hawakan mo yung bola, hindi yan Tae!"

I wonder what Rabeh would be telling Japeth now that he is now under Yeng Guiao. I know Japeth what would say "I told you so .... kaya ko nga ayaw sa team nya, diba ok lang sa akin ma ban for life" ;)

So far, Rabeh's flourishing. I think being coached and disciplined by Yeng is the best thing that has happened to Rabeh's career since leaving the Blue Eagles.

[reamily]

lol Rabeh flourished with yeng while Japeth cannot flourish with both teng and toroman hopefully japeth prove me wrong

[neo]

lol Rabeh flourished with yeng while Japeth cannot flourish with both teng and toroman hopefully japeth prove me wrong

well, he coached japeth on a national team with pba stars and veterans while rabeh is playing in a pba team that is a lesser talent compared to the powerhouse teams.

that and the difference between pba and fiba-games.

it is possible that aguilar could have flourished with yeng if he played with him a little longer (in the pba). possible but not certain :D

but it would be nice to remember that when aguiar and rabeh were with ateneo,aguilar was a key player while rabeh was a benchwarmer. and of course, aguilar fared better than rabeh in toroman's system.

different contexts, different conditions, different results.

[durden_tyler]

well, he coached japeth on a national team with pba stars and veterans while rabeh is playing in a pba team that is a lesser talent compared to the powerhouse teams.

that and the difference between pba and fiba-games.

it is possible that aguilar could have flourished with yeng if he played with him a little longer (in the pba). possible but not certain :D

but it would be nice to remember that when aguiar and rabeh were with ateneo,aguilar was a key player while rabeh was a benchwarmer. and of course, aguilar fared better than rabeh in toroman's system.

different contexts, different conditions, different results.

i couldn't agree more. That's why Rabeh made this decision. If he decided to stay with Gilas most likely we'd be lost in the dark what his real potential is--- at least with the PBA he's able to strut his wares--- and for some, up in arms why a potent big man isn't given consistent exposure and minutes.

[reamily]

thats also what I am asking because of giving rewards and promises to other players we sacrific other players development. Dun pa lang tingin ko nagkatalo na so Let see na lang

[nardy]

well, he coached japeth on a national team with pba stars and veterans while rabeh is playing in a pba team that is a lesser talent compared to the powerhouse teams.

that and the difference between pba and fiba-games.

it is possible that aguilar could have flourished with yeng if he played with him a little longer (in the pba). possible but not certain :D

but it would be nice to remember that when aguiar and rabeh were with ateneo,aguilar was a key player while rabeh was a benchwarmer. and of course, aguilar fared better than rabeh in toroman's system.

different contexts, different conditions, different results.


Japeth could really not take the verbal abuse that Yeng gives to his players while even if Rabeh actually despises the said treatment, he has big brother Carlo to "comfort" him whenever he is tempted to hammer Guiao on the head. :cool: In Toroman, Japeth is more open to be a role player while Rabeh is not and another thing Rabeh does not really have the same passion as Japeth in being a member of the National Team. It is actually more of the handlers of Rabeh who wants him to be part of Gilas.

[reamily]

Japeth could really not take the verbal abuse that Yeng gives to his players while even if Rabeh actually despises the said treatment, he has big brother Carlo to "comfort" him whenever he is tempted to hammer Guiao on the head. :cool: In Toroman, Japeth is more open to be a role player while Rabeh is not and another thing Rabeh does not really have the same passion as Japeth in being a member of the National Team. It is actually more of the handlers of Rabeh who wants him to be part of Gilas.

thanks nardy for the real and the most likely reason of rabeh not working out with gilas una plang talaga ayaw na niya.

[durden_tyler]

thanks nardy for the real and the most likely reason of rabeh not working out with gilas una plang talaga ayaw na niya.

As if we did not know that then. He was pouting and complaining about his minutes then correct? :D Of course dedication and attitude is important... BUt we have to realize that these are basketball players we are talking about--- ultimately they just want to play, and that means they'll choose the team which would provide them the chance to prove their worth.

This is most likely the same reasoning why the likes of Guevarra and Cawaling left... They knew that with Gilas they won't be given major roles.

As much as we want to say, "hey it's for flag and country" at the end of the day you can't satisfy a basketball player if he's not playing basketball. ;)

And one thing we haven't touched also is the $$$ that comes with these decisions ;) (i'll leave it at that as Nardy wouldn't divulge the contracts anyway :D) But of course that is a factor...

[reamily]

if this gilas program fail in 2011 this tantalizing figures of Gilas salaries would divulge esp on Japhets:eek:

[jologs]

if this gilas program fail in 2011 this tantalizing figures of Gilas salaries would divulge esp on Japhets:eek:

I don't think so since they're not using taxpayers' money

[reamily]

I don't think so since they're not using taxpayers' money

many will raise eyebrows even the patron himself just ask smc and chot in 2007 which is wrong for me alam mo nang may hindi tama eh hinayaan pa

[jologs]

many will raise eyebrows even the patron himself just ask smc and chot in 2007 which is wrong for me alam mo nang may hindi tama eh hinayaan pa

If they fail in 2011, they will be more concerned on what went wrong in the training and preparation itself rather than the player's salary. But still some people would really find some satisfaction in rubbing salt to injury by questioning how much money did patron MVP spent on certain players.

[nardy]

As if we did not know that then. He was pouting and complaining about his minutes then correct? :D Of course dedication and attitude is important... BUt we have to realize that these are basketball players we are talking about--- ultimately they just want to play, and that means they'll choose the team which would provide them the chance to prove their worth.

This is most likely the same reasoning why the likes of Guevarra and Cawaling left... They knew that with Gilas they won't be given major roles.

As much as we want to say, "hey it's for flag and country" at the end of the day you can't satisfy a basketball player if he's not playing basketball. ;)

And one thing we haven't touched also is the $$$ that comes with these decisions ;) (i'll leave it at that as Nardy wouldn't divulge the contracts anyway :D) But of course that is a factor...


of course I could not say the salary numbers but if we are talking about Rabeh .... he actually has one of the best contracts among the Gilas he actually the only one I think that has an exit clause. Including Magi he actually earned the most in terms of getting your money without such effort and sweat.:D We have to remember he has so many reasons in excusing himself from practices and tournaments. He just felt he is bigger than the team and adjusting from a superstar to a player starting over is a bit more difficult for him. Everybody knows in Katipunan that Coach Norman does give him special treatment as compared to the other players as he is more lax to him regarding practice effort and attendance which is a no-no to a disciplinarian like Toroman wherein if you do not practice, it is sure that you don't play. So even if Coach Rajko does really like to use Rabeh, he just could not as he could not see the effort. While everybody does eat together and their food intake is being monitored, he would always excuse himself that he has some urgent things to do and just give his meal to a utility boy then after several days of like that you can visibly see Rabeh is building poundage on several parts of the body which it should not be. In actual practices, drills and scrimmages, it is very noticeable that he is just doing the motions and are not like the rest who are giving so much effort in practice. But having him around does ease some of the pressure as he is the only one who could make fun of Coach even if Coach is serious.

Actually at Air21, if Kuya Carlo Sharma is not there, there could have been explosive outbursts both at the side of Yeng and at the side of Rabeh as this combination is a pressure cooker waiting to explode. Despite the individual statistical numbers of Rabeh, expect some fireworks if Air21 continues to keep losing their games.

[el scorcho]

of course I could not say the salary numbers but if we are talking about Rabeh .... he actually has one of the best contracts among the Gilas he actually the only one I think that has an exit clause. Including Magi he actually earned the most in terms of getting your money without such effort and sweat.:D We have to remember he has so many reasons in excusing himself from practices and tournaments. He just felt he is bigger than the team and adjusting from a superstar to a player starting over is a bit more difficult for him. Everybody knows in Katipunan that Coach Norman does give him special treatment as compared to the other players as he is more lax to him regarding practice effort and attendance which is a no-no to a disciplinarian like Toroman wherein if you do not practice, it is sure that you don't play. So even if Coach Rajko does really like to use Rabeh, he just could not as he could not see the effort. While everybody does eat together and their food intake is being monitored, he would always excuse himself that he has some urgent things to do and just give his meal to a utility boy then after several days of like that you can visibly see Rabeh is building poundage on several parts of the body which it should not be. In actual practices, drills and scrimmages, it is very noticeable that he is just doing the motions and are not like the rest who are giving so much effort in practice. But having him around does ease some of the pressure as he is the only one who could make fun of Coach even if Coach is serious.

Actually at Air21, if Kuya Carlo Sharma is not there, there could have been explosive outbursts both at the side of Yeng and at the side of Rabeh as this combination is a pressure cooker waiting to explode. Despite the individual statistical numbers of Rabeh, expect some fireworks if Air21 continues to keep losing their games.

Nice anecdote...but we aren't surprised though...:)

[el scorcho]

Rabeh's ego and playing style is really for the PBA. Consequence of a glamorized college league..

[bhinov]

of course I could not say the salary numbers but if we are talking about Rabeh .... he actually has one of the best contracts among the Gilas he actually the only one I think that has an exit clause. Including Magi he actually earned the most in terms of getting your money without such effort and sweat.:D We have to remember he has so many reasons in excusing himself from practices and tournaments. He just felt he is bigger than the team and adjusting from a superstar to a player starting over is a bit more difficult for him. Everybody knows in Katipunan that Coach Norman does give him special treatment as compared to the other players as he is more lax to him regarding practice effort and attendance which is a no-no to a disciplinarian like Toroman wherein if you do not practice, it is sure that you don't play. So even if Coach Rajko does really like to use Rabeh, he just could not as he could not see the effort. While everybody does eat together and their food intake is being monitored, he would always excuse himself that he has some urgent things to do and just give his meal to a utility boy then after several days of like that you can visibly see Rabeh is building poundage on several parts of the body which it should not be. In actual practices, drills and scrimmages, it is very noticeable that he is just doing the motions and are not like the rest who are giving so much effort in practice. But having him around does ease some of the pressure as he is the only one who could make fun of Coach even if Coach is serious.

Actually at Air21, if Kuya Carlo Sharma is not there, there could have been explosive outbursts both at the side of Yeng and at the side of Rabeh as this combination is a pressure cooker waiting to explode. Despite the individual statistical numbers of Rabeh, expect some fireworks if Air21 continues to keep losing their games.

Nice read. baka icopy-paste ito sa dyaryo sir nards. :D:D:D

Trans: Rabeh is a real prima donna

[eindhow]

Japeth could really not take the verbal abuse that Yeng gives to his players while even if Rabeh actually despises the said treatment, he has big brother Carlo to "comfort" him whenever he is tempted to hammer Guiao on the head. :cool: In Toroman, Japeth is more open to be a role player while Rabeh is not and another thing Rabeh does not really have the same passion as Japeth in being a member of the National Team. It is actually more of the handlers of Rabeh who wants him to be part of Gilas.

So that's why.. He is really for the PBA huh?

[bognut]

Actually at Air21, if Kuya Carlo Sharma is not there, there could have been explosive outbursts both at the side of Yeng and at the side of Rabeh as this combination is a pressure cooker waiting to explode. Despite the individual statistical numbers of Rabeh, expect some fireworks if Air21 continues to keep losing their games.

History will repeat itself then...

Rabeh for Marlou Aquino + future draft picks

Cutie Cute Gregorio for sure will pamper and have Rabeh's big head grow even more...

:o

[ejbl]

Japeth could really not take the verbal abuse that Yeng gives to his players while even if Rabeh actually despises the said treatment, he has big brother Carlo to "comfort" him whenever he is tempted to hammer Guiao on the head. :cool: In Toroman, Japeth is more open to be a role player while Rabeh is not and another thing Rabeh does not really have the same passion as Japeth in being a member of the National Team. It is actually more of the handlers of Rabeh who wants him to be part of Gilas.

sharma is a perfect role player :D

[lovejones]

Nice. Hating someone who left the national team in order to join the professional ranks is a nice way of massaging this thread's collective egos. Then again, he's having a great season so I guess he can live with the backlash :D

[durden_tyler]

Nice. Hating someone who left the national team in order to join the professional ranks is a nice way of massaging this thread's collective egos. Then again, he's having a great season so I guess he can live with the backlash :D

Don't act surprised. Like scorned lovers, the Gilas fanboys would jump at the opportunity to criticize their former players because basically, it hurts :D Milan? He was overrated they said. Giles? He had major attitude problem

i wouldn't be surprised if we see criticisms on Guevarra and Cawaling as they have left the team too. Who's next on the list?

[nardy]

Nice. Hating someone who left the national team in order to join the professional ranks is a nice way of massaging this thread's collective egos. Then again, he's having a great season so I guess he can live with the backlash :D

Rabeh just has different priorities .... its unfair to hate him. One has to do what he has to do, it was a judgment in which he thinks is best for him. If he stayed in Gilas even though he is not happy, his quality of play would just detoriate. And it would also affect Gilas in the long run.

There just things happening in the background that better left unsaid as not all fans had an open mind on things on how the business of basketball is really run. It is not a simple business as it looks, there are just a lot of complications. Damn if you do, damn if you dont .... criticism will always be there as you cannot please everybody.

And by releasing Gilas players to draft had in a way soften the stance of the PBA Board on not loaning players and made them realize that they could work together and actually help each other.

[Jay P. Mercado]

And by releasing Gilas players to draft had in a way soften the stance of the PBA Board on not loaning players and made them realize that they could work together and actually help each other.

Excellent point Nardy. And this is what we've been talking about from day one - that the PBA would stand to benefit from the SMART-Gilas program in the long run - regardless of how it performs in international competitions.

We have to understand that back in the mid-80's, the league was struggling because of the demise of the Crispa-Toyota rivalry, the spreading out of the superstar players to different teams, and the impending retirement of the stars like Jaworski, Fernandez, Cezar, Co, Adornado, etc. What catapulted the PBA to greater heights began when the NCC players joined the league in the 3rd Conference of the 1986 season and spilled over to the succeeding seasons. Players who were also being eyed to suit up for the NCC program (Paras, Asaytono, Alvarez, Realubit, etc) joined in 1989 - thereby making the league a robust organization under the leadership of Rudy Salud. The transition was almost seamless - the new stars like Caidic, Lim, Calma, among others gained tremendous following that allowed the league to not only survive but accomplish more.

The SMART-Gilas program is expected to do the same for the league. It's no small coincidence that the Commissioner of the league today is Rudy's son Chito, where we can underscore similar policies being implemented. Chito Salud understands that much of his dad's success as Commissioner was triggered by the NCC players influx - something he can replicate with the SMART-Gilas guys.

[ricodgame]

When will Barako Bull sign Ken Bono?

[grahamtelly]

When will Barako Bull sign Ken Bono?

never, no one wants him on their team.

[Big Ticket]

When will Barako Bull sign Ken Bono?

when he starts losing weight? "tipid" guys like hans thiele and mark andaya are playing well...

[ninja]

where's ogie menor?

[nardy]

where's ogie menor?

He's supposed to be with MERALCO.


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He could be injured as the line-up of the Bolts lists the following:

Center
Asi Taulava – #88
Marlou Aquino – #13
Beau Belga – #30


Guard
Mac Cardona – #9
Chriss Ross – #6
Pong Escobal – #18
Shawn Weinstein – #1
Bam Bam Gamalinda – #25


Forward
Yousif Aljamal – #5
Nelbert Omolon – #3
Gabby Espinas – #10
Dennis Daa – #8
Ford Arao – #31
Khasim Mirza – #14

[Big Ticket]

i think menor is injured...i saw him in civies (wearing a meralco shirt though) in the last game...

[Big Ticket]

BARAKO BULL

IN: borgie hermida, ken bono
OUT: jojo duncil, jim viray

[capitantiago]

BARAKO BULL

IN: borgie hermida, ken bono
OUT: jojo duncil, jim viray

serious? jojo duncil is out?
paging bgk! you need another guard in your line up! lol

[st_ang3r]

if he is out...then i guess powerade can get him...last year they wanted to acquire duncil.

[nardy]

from Twitter:

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@BoyetJSison (http://twitter.com/BoyetJSison) Hermida 16, Bono 7.
about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/28006852869) via web in reply to BoyetJSison (http://twitter.com/BoyetJSison/status/28006386039)

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@fmango (http://twitter.com/fmango) tnx for the info Chief...am doing radio tomorrow. what jersey number si Borgie, wud u know ?
about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/BoyetJSison/status/28006386039) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/) in reply to fmango (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/28006183202)

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Borgie Hermida & Ken Bono hav been activated by BB to play vs BGK 2moro. Viray, Duncil relegated to UFAWR2RS status.
about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/28006183202) via web

[Big Ticket]

serious? jojo duncil is out?
paging bgk! you need another guard in your line up! lol

duncil is out of barako's 14-man roster so he's technically a free agent now...
can't blame them, duncil has not scored in 3 games so far this season, he's 0-9 from the field...

[el scorcho]

duncil is out of barako's 14-man roster so he's technically a free agent now...
can't blame them, duncil has not scored in 3 games so far this season, he's 0-9 from the field...

Can you actually do that? Don't they have contracts? You could just fire them...not trade?

[nardy]

Can you actually do that? Don't they have contracts? You could just fire them...not trade?

if they have a live contract, they could be placed in the reserve or injured list of the team and the team is still obligated to pay their salary. But they are not protected from being picked-up by other teams.

This is the same technicality which Alaska took advantage when Eman Samigue was dropped by San Miguel in their reserve list. Thus technically Alaska picked Eman as a "free agent" and assumed his current contract with the Beermen.

This also the same reason why B-Meg was forced to place injured players Kerby Raymundo, Marc Pingris and Rafi Reavis in their 15-man line-up which is protected, they have no choice but to let go draftee Pari Llagas who now signed-up with the Philippine Patriots same with Jonathan Fernandez who they also had to release.

[FB_pox02]

Can you actually do that? Don't they have contracts? You could just fire them...not trade?

I dont think jojo is a free agent he still have a contract like you said..jojo is in the reserve list of barako if ever barako wants to activate him they can like ken bono he has been just activated by barako to play tomorrow vs Ginebra ;)

[SG 3000]

I dont think jojo is a free agent he still have a contract like you said..jojo is in the reserve list of barako if ever barako wants to activate him they can like ken bono he has been just activated by barako to play tomorrow vs Ginebra ;)

fmango's tweets, and nardy and big ticket's posts explain how he is technically an unrestricted free agent bro.

[ricodgame]

duncil is out of barako's 14-man roster so he's technically a free agent now...
can't blame them, duncil has not scored in 3 games so far this season, he's 0-9 from the field...

and in their last game, all he only played the first few minutes of the game, and after 3 straight turnovers, he's gone.

[ejbl]

duncil had his chances since his mediocre performance last conf but nothing changed. Well Big mac Andaya's contract is expiring at the end of this month. If/When Andaya leaves, maybe they will put him back in the 14 man roster. That is if no other team signs him.

[rspk]

wow. good news for Barako and Duncil.

maybe Duncil is not motivated to play for Barako or Junel Baculi.

Hopefully some team will acquire him..

[durden_tyler]

wow. good news for Barako and Duncil.

maybe Duncil is not motivated to play for Barako or Junel Baculi.

Hopefully some team will acquire him..

But teams are loaded in the wings really so so-so talents like Duncil won't really be in-demand... The real good news is that there are Plan B leagues like the ABL and Liga/PBL so his talent won't be put to waste..

[rspk]

^ ^ ^ maybe he will go to Liga Pilipinas or ABL. :)

[Big Ticket]

maybe Duncil is not motivated to play for Barako or Junel Baculi.



he does not deserve to play in the PBA if that's his reason...

[capitantiago]

he does not deserve to play in the PBA if that's his reason...

maybe he was looking for a salaried job and not just a job. lol
remember that barako bulls had or still having a hard time paying salaries of their players that's why they were forced to trade, or sell like slaves their players.

[Silent Killer]

Barako Bull will be more competitive in the long run..

a breakout season for bono? will see.. :rolleyes:

[redblooded]

their a young team (just like ROS) when their starting in the league. In the coming years they can develop tier own blue chip players. Bono never had the chance to show his game while he was with SMB, now that he's with the Barako's, expect to see him play his A game.

[Servinio]

Due to the numerous injuries on the team, the San Miguel Beermen have signed rookie free agent Vaughn Canta. The 6'3" Fil-Am forward made his debut yesterday in the Beermen's 119-94 blowout of the Powerade Tigers in Panabo City.

[nardy]

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Meralco's Ogie Menor has been activated for this gm vs RoS. He takes over d spot of rookie Khazim Mirza who will b relegated to UFAWR2RS. (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/28576271358)
about 9 hours ago (http://twitter.com/fmango/status/28576271358) via web

[ankle breaker]

Due to the numerous injuries on the team, the San Miguel Beermen have signed rookie free agent Vaughn Canta. The 6'3" Fil-Am forward made his debut yesterday in the Beermen's 119-94 blowout of the Powerade Tigers in Panabo City.
Yeah, I saw him played briefly for the Beermen last Saturday. I think he's wearing jersey #33. Looks like scored around 3 pts 2 rebs and a steal. From what I've seen, this guy can really if given playing time.

[onlybygrace]

hey guys - i'm from australia and know how you guys love bball in the philippines! Check out this youtube clip from Australia about some guys doing some amazing trick shots from a 40,000 seat stadium!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQwYyRZD1QQ

[ogre]

hey guys - i'm from australia and know how you guys love bball in the philippines! Check out this youtube clip from Australia about some guys doing some amazing trick shots from a 40,000 seat stadium!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQwYyRZD1QQ

Good job on the editing! I can actually throw a basketball here in Manila to a hoop there in Australia and make it using Adobe Final Cut.:D

[slinger]

Good job on the editing! I can actually throw a basketball here in Manila to a hoop there in Australia and make it using Adobe Final Cut.:D
i think it is legit. they were featured in the news.

[nardy]

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Belasco raring to return
By Joaquin Henson (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=By+Joaquin +Henson) (The Philippine Star)
Updated October 28, 2010 12:00 AM
MANILA, Philippines - After 14 years of playing in the PBA, veteran forward Nic Belasco isn’t ready to hang up his sneakers and wants another chance to show he still belongs in the pro league.


Belasco, 36, is now in San Francisco waiting for a call. He has settled his wife Mafae Yunon, Binibining Pilipinas World 2003, and their four children in the Bay Area but will take the first available flight to Manila if a team offers a contract.


Without hesitation, Belasco said in a STAR interview that he’ll fly out and jump back into the PBA if a team is interested.


“I definitely feel like I have a lot to offer any PBA team right now,” said the lanky 6-6 frontliner from the College of Notre Dame. “I’ve always been a defensive stopper and rebounder. Through the years, I’ve developed a shooting touch. But the biggest way I can contribute is by bringing in my experience. I’m a proven winner in the PBA and that’s a mentality I can pass on in the locker room and on the court. I’ve been blessed with strong legs that have been healthy all these years. After spraining my knee in June, it feels like nothing ever happened now that it’s healed. I don’t see playing and competing a few more years as a problem at all. The game I sprained my knee last June 13, I had 14 rebounds and four blocked shots.”
Belasco said playing on seven PBA championship teams is something he’s proud of. He’s suited up for Pop Cola, San Miguel Beer, Alaska, Welcoat, Coca-Cola and Sta. Lucia Realty in a career that began in 1997. Twice, Belasco hit 30 points in a game and he averaged in double figures in six seasons.


“I’m reaching out to every team in the PBA,” he said. “Most teams are filled up so I’m looking at where I think I can step in and contribute using my skills. I’m a free agent now and can sign with any team. It’s the first time I’ve been unrestricted. After taking a step back for a few months, I got my mind and body right and I’m ready to jump right in somewhere and do what I do.”


With commissioner Chito Salud instituting a new officiating philosophy where referees allow incidental or inconsequential contact, Belasco said it’s a style that suits him. “I remember a few years ago, they tried out this style,” he noted. “I was able to use my strength more. I’m not one of the quickest players anymore like before so I like to use my hands a little. I played some of my best defense with the no-harm, no-foul rule in place. Hopefully, I can get back in before they change the rule again.”


Last season was forgettable for Belasco who averaged a career-low 4.4 points and 17.6 minutes in 34 total games, six with the Realtors. “It was frustrating,” he said. “I started the year with Talk ‘N’ Text. Then, Ali (Peek) and I went to Sta. Lucia. Playing for Sta. Lucia towards the end of the conference gave me a chance to start enjoying the game again. It’s just unfortunate that someone landed on my leg and I wasn’t able to finish the season. I think we could have done damage in the playoffs with me healthy.”


Belasco said when his playing days are finally over, he’ll seriously consider a coaching career.

“I’m currently an assistant coach for an ABA team, the East Bay Pit Bulls,” said Belasco. “If I go back to Manila, it would be as a player first and possibly, as a coach later. My priority is getting back out there as a player.But being a coach in the PBA is something I’ve always thought of as a possibility. I have a lot to offer. I could also be a skills coach. I’ve learned a lot in the 20 plus years I’ve been playing this game.”


Playing under first-rate coaches has broadened Belasco’s knowledge and prepared him for the next step.


“The standout coaches for me were Norman Black, Ron Jacobs, Jong Uichico, Kirk Collier, John Moran, Tim Cone and Leo Austria,” said Belasco. “Coach Norman got me started and handled me as a young, athletic and raw player. Coach Ron brought me to San Miguel and was really the best coach I’ve ever seen in my career. He saw everything that happened on the court and fixed every hole on the fly faster than any coach I’ve played for. Coach Jong allowed me to explore my game and break out from just a defender and rebounder. It’s rare that players develop into scorers as late in their careers as I did. Coach Kirk got my legs and my post game right. Coach John lived in my building and used to analyze my game. We would get pizza and sit down and watch film. He opened my eyes to the game and rejuvenated my career in 2003. Coach Tim taught me the triangle. His Alaska teams are really tight-knit and to me, are the hardest working teams in the PBA. His championship count says it all. He’s a great guy on and off the court. Coach Leo let me play my game at a point in my career that I really needed to be on a team like Welcoat. He’s one of the nicest guys I’ve met. I’ve learned from each one of these coaches and I plan to use some of their techniques when I become a coach.”


Belasco said if a team gives him a chance, he won’t let the opportunity go to waste.


“I have a good feeling about coming back,” he said. “Finding a team that is a good fit may be a challenge. But I know what I’m capable of. And I also know that the coaches know what I can offer. I expect to come out and be much better than last year. Meantime, I’ll be getting my game right in the gym while I wait for a call. I plan on being back, no matter what.”

[nardy]

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Lets Go Big Mac! Good Luck Mark RT @Mark_Andaya (http://twitter.com/Mark_Andaya) dis cud be my last game in d PBA, future is gloomy but still thankful for d opportunity....
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[KevinDurant]

I think he'll get an extension!

[YoonJay18]

IF Andaya won't be extended by the Barako Bull management, might as well try it out with the B-MEG Derby Ace Llamados team. THey will surely need his defense right now.

Relegate Canaleta into the reserved list for Andaya! :)

[nardy]

I think he'll get an extension!

Andaya has a live contract, I think the coaching staff told him he'll be taken out of the active line-up in order to give way to a certain player.

Are we going to see the return of Nic Belasco ..... abangan.

[nardy]

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Pangilinan firm mulls PBA entry
By Nelson Beltran (http://www.philstar.com/ArticleListByAuthorName.aspx?AuthorName=By+Nelson+ Beltran) (The Philippine Star)
Updated October 31, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Like San Miguel Corp., the Manny V. Pangilinan-led PLDT-Smart group would also be having three teams soon in the Philippine Basketball Association.


Maynilad Water, the water and wastewater services provider acquired by the Pangilinan group and DMCI Holdings Inc. in 2007, is keen on joining sister companies Talk n Text and Meralco in the PBA.


“If I were the only one to decide, I’d want it by next conference. But we have to consult with our shareholders,” said Maynilad president Ricky Vargas.


A reliable source said Maynilad and an existing PBA ball club have started negotiations for a franchise purchase, the same deal Meralco went through in taking over Sta. Lucia Realty.


The same source said the Pangilinan group has extended support to the cash-strapped team many times in the past.


Vargas, a longtime Talk n Text representative to the PBA board until his appointment as president of Maynilad Water, is excited about the prospect of their entry to the country’s premier cage league.


Vargas is vice chairman of the Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas (SBP) and president of the Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines (ABAP).


Maynilad’s entry to the PBA could only intensify the growing rivalry between the teams under SMC Group and those owned by Pangilinan.


SMC has San Miguel Beer, Barangay Ginebra and B-MEG Derby Ace while Pangilinan has Talk n Text, Meralco and if ever Maynilad.


* * *


Will Sol Mercado show up for the Rain or Shine-Barako Bull match tonight?


That’s the big question after his run-in with coach Caloy Garcia came to a head after a loss to Barangay Ginebra Friday night.


They figured in a heated verbal tussle with Mercado being heard asking the team management to fire the coach or him.


“I love the team but I can’t play for him (Garcia) anymore,” Mercado was heard telling team manager Bhoy Lapid.


Garcia benched Mercado for most of the second half in their 73-90 blowout by Ginebra.


“Matagal ng hindi magkasundo yan,” said a STAR source.

[nardy]

with Sol with SMART GILAS ....

why am I not going to be surprised if Mercado would go to either MERALCO or Talk N Text.

[Startah]

Cardona for Mercado will do? same banana in terms of Scoring talent...

[bognut]

with Sol with SMART GILAS ....

why am I not going to be surprised if Mercado would go to either MERALCO or Talk N Text.


“I love the team but I can’t play for him (Garcia) anymore,” Mercado was heard telling team manager Bhoy Lapid.

I think Sol has only one play in mind. Give me the ball and get out of my way...

:o

Sol Mercado for Cardona!! ;)

[reamily]

I think Sol has only one play in mind. Give me the ball and get out of my way...

:o

Sol Mercado for Cardona!! ;)

this is bad meralco needs a more dynamic scorer than mercado both he and cardona doesn't have the ability of lets say an Asaytono(yes a forward should be a prototype go to guy) to carry a team. Having none to below average post offense will not do

[reamily]

Even though they have lots of pulot guys meralco need guys who can create their shots yeah they have mac but having 0 post option who can create shots will not help them expect them to have difficult time scoring 80 pts in a 48 min ballgame:D Yes asi can't create his own shot

but a trade without involving cardona can be good for meralco they have lot of guys Espinas and Ross plus somebody can be good baits(because meralco still has pgs and role power forwards in roster).

[YoonJay18]

Maynilad joining the PBA? Woah! An SMC-MVP teams rivalry is brewing up in the PBA. ALthough I'm not in favor with this. Mukhang pera lang naman kasi si MVP eh.

I think it's either Barako Bull or Air21. But my gut feel says it's Barako Bull.

[reamily]

Maynilad joining the PBA? Woah! An SMC-MVP teams rivalry is brewing up in the PBA. ALthough I'm not in favor with this. Mukhang pera lang naman kasi si MVP eh.

I think it's either Barako Bull or Air21. But my gut feel says it's Barako Bull.

If I'm mvp better think twice smc other teams ginebra and purefoods are really cornerstone if not most popular pba franchises already when smc took control of them mvp is buying scrap teams, seems he did not learn from talk n text smart gilas and now meralco all Un charismatic teams

[YoonJay18]

If I'm mvp better think twice smc other teams ginebra and purefoods are really cornerstone if not most popular pba franchises already when smc took control of them mvp is buying scrap teams, seems he did not learn from talk n text smart gilas and now meralco all Un charismatic teams

I think the 'uncharismatic' term fits right on MVP's teams. I just don't see Meralco, and maybe in the future, Maynilad, getting as many followers as even a combined fan base of B-MEG Derby Ace.

He just wants to compete with SMC, which I think he will fail. :p

[SG 3000]

If I'm mvp better think twice smc other teams ginebra and purefoods are really cornerstone if not most popular pba franchises already when smc took control of them mvp is buying scrap teams, seems he did not learn from talk n text smart gilas and now meralco all Un charismatic teams

no problem. we should never have a pro league where all teams are charismatic and well-loved by fans. for the pba, it is better to have heroes and anti-heroes/villains. the beloved and the hated. this is both true for teams and players. then we'll have drama and war, both among teams and their fans. majority vs minority, elite vs challengers, contenders vs spoilers, goliath vs david, etc. remove the differences, then what we'll have are merely goodwill games.

but i do agree that mvp should refrain from having so many teams.for now, at least. he should make tnt approximate half of the success of alaska first, then make meralco a winner first, before having another team.

[reamily]

no problem. we should never have a pro league where all teams are charismatic and well-loved by fans. for the pba, it is better to have heroes and anti-heroes/villains. the beloved and the hated. this is both true for teams and players. then we'll have drama and war, both among teams and their fans. majority vs minority, elite vs challengers, contenders vs spoilers, goliath vs david, etc. remove the differences, then what we'll have are merely goodwill games.

but i do agree that mvp should refrain from having so many teams.for now, at least. he should make tnt approximate half of the success of alaska first, then make meralco a winner first, before having another team.

Smart Gilas villain it is our (not theirs, contrary to many believe:()national team:D

lol its difficult imagine talk n text meralco pba finals I think they cannot fill the san juan arena if that happen(and I already add the Meralco employees on that).

I do not want to see Maynilad Aqua men a destination haven of so so players of MVP empire's university teams or add burden to their employers to watch their games:eek::eek::D

no they aren't villains as other say they lack charisma:)

[alien space bats]

no problem. we should never have a pro league where all teams are charismatic and well-loved by fans. for the pba, it is better to have heroes and anti-heroes/villains. the beloved and the hated. this is both true for teams and players. then we'll have drama and war, both among teams and their fans. majority vs minority, elite vs challengers, contenders vs spoilers, goliath vs david, etc. remove the differences, then what we'll have are merely goodwill games.

but i do agree that mvp should refrain from having so many teams.for now, at least. he should make tnt approximate half of the success of alaska first, then make meralco a winner first, before having another team.

PBA had already tried to veer in this direction to no avail. it seems like filipinos nowadays are more inclined to watching soap operas than basketball shows. maybe they saw through the artificiality of it all. "pilit."it's not like the PBA of old where the rivalry and animosity between the teams were as real as real could get.

[SG 3000]

Smart Gilas villain it is our (not theirs, contrary to many believe:()national team:D

lol its difficult imagine talk n text meralco pba finals I think they cannot fill the san juan arena if that happen(and I already add the Meralco employees on that).

I do not want to see Maynilad Aqua men a destination haven of so so players of MVP empire's university teams or add burden to their employers to watch their games:eek::eek::D

no they aren't villains as other say they lack charisma:)

it is not really a lack charisma, it is more because most fans don't like them. and most fans don't like them because they are villains to their preferred teams. and the preferred teams are the big 3 of smb, bgk, and b-meg. just what team that entered in the pba ever approximated the success and popularity of the big 3?none. and most of them have fold up already. smb is an old dog in the league and so was able to gradually improve its base and became one of the top dogs when crispa and toyota fold up. ginebra has its roots in the old toyota team and of course they have the big j's magic. purefoods became an instant hit because they have the tanduay factor (including fernandez) and the youth that provide something new during a time when fans were craving for something new. of the old dogs from the 80s, only alaska ain't that popular. but being the 4th old team in an 8-10 team league, this is not surprising.

tnt have their share of fans but they are a pittance compared to the fans of any of the big 3. red bull in its heydays got some masa fans but they were still dwarfed by any of the big 3 fans. ditto with slr. alaska is among the most sucessful franchise but they can't be as popular as the big 3. ros, as a new team and with youthful players, has a lot of charisma, but their popularity is way below any of the big 3 and they still have a looong way to go.

even if james yap play for meralco or helterbrand play for tnt, it would just be a minimal increase of fans for the teams. look at ginebra, even during the time in the mid-90s where they lack superstar power (and one could say they were a mediocre team), they were still the most popular team.

in a nutshell, i feel that pba popularity is more "team-based" and not "player-based". and i believe this is true for most of the true pba fans. this was validated when bgk retained its stronghold even with the departure of the big j. one can get all the stars but it would not translate to popularity or charisma (nor success). the new teams are always at a disadvantaged when compared to the big 3. mvp would need so much more to approximate the popularity of these teams. winning would not suffice (as evidenced by the alaska experience). there's something cultural there that mvp and his teams would have difficulty defeating. same case with his abc-5 ambition of toppling abs-cbn and gma. doable. but it takes time to beat the old dogs :D

[SG 3000]

PBA had already tried to veer in this direction to no avail. it seems like filipinos nowadays are more inclined to watching soap operas than basketball shows. maybe they saw through the artificiality of it all. "pilit."it's not like the PBA of old where the rivalry and animosity between the teams were as real as real could get.

yes. the reasons you mentioned are part of the confluence of factors that led to the pba's significant loss of fan base. but just what other sports league/tournament in the philippines that started in the 70s (other than collegiate-based or gambling related) are still existing today and are still making some kicks (although not as strong as before)? heck, many tv programs, tv stations, magazines, radio stations, business franchises, music and movie productions, etc., have closed shop. in a way, the pba should be proud that it is still existing. but they do need to make some changes to remain where they are now and gradually gets stronger again. in this days of internet, piracy, and sex scandals, they need to retain what's good with them and experiment on what could be better for them. time to take the risk and invest for the future and the future is now :D

[nardy]

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A third MVP team in PBA?

Beth Celis
In Huddle

First Posted 12:46:36 31/10/2010

RECENTLY APPOINTED Maynilad President/CEO Victorico “Ricky” P. Vargas has long been joking about buying a PBA franchise for his new company.

He already even had a monicker for his future players.

“They would be called Aquanauts,” Ricky said laughing.

Ricky could have been serious at the time, but since he sounded like he was joking, nobody gave the matter much thought.

After all, one of the Manny V. Pangilinan-led companies, Meralco, had just acquired the Sta. Lucia Realty franchise. With the addition of Meralco, MVP now has a total of two PBA teams.

The other is Talk ‘N Text.

Ricky could have been talking seriously though, if we are to believe reports that the business magnate wants to have three PBA teams, to equal the number owned by Danding Cojuangco of San Miguel Corporation, a business rival.

Danding’s teams are San Miguel Beer, Ginebra San Miguel and B-Meg Derby Ace.


* * *


Last Friday at the Araneta Coliseum, player agent Charlie Dy asked if it was true that Maynilad was joining the PBA. He said the information came from very reliable sources.

Quickly I pulled out my mobile phone.

“Is it true?” I threw the question in turn at Ricky Vargas, who must have been packing his bags for a trip to Amaty, Kazakhstan, where his amateur boxers are competing.
Ricky is also the president of the Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines. He is also alternate governor of Talk ‘N Text in the PBA. If ever, Maynilad would be his third sporting concern.

His reply: “Hindi pa ngayon, Tita Beth, pinag-iisipan pa lang.”

Actually, I half expected Ricky to issue a full denial, although there might be some truth to the report.

“Eh, kailan?” I was persistent.

“Kung ako lang ang tatanungin, Tita Beth, next conference na sana. But we have to work it out first with the shareholders of the company. Personally though, I’m very excited with the prospect,” Ricky said.

I could not squeeze any thing more from Ricky, except a few parting words that I requested, to which he graciously acceded. His parting shot gave me something to think about.

“Cheers from the Aquamen—as fluid as water, mabilis mag-penetrate kahit saan,” Ricky said

[kaiziken_pinas]

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A third MVP team in PBA?

Beth Celis
In Huddle

First Posted 12:46:36 31/10/2010

RECENTLY APPOINTED Maynilad President/CEO Victorico “Ricky” P. Vargas has long been joking about buying a PBA franchise for his new company.

He already even had a monicker for his future players.

“They would be called Aquanauts,” Ricky said laughing.

Ricky could have been serious at the time, but since he sounded like he was joking, nobody gave the matter much thought.

After all, one of the Manny V. Pangilinan-led companies, Meralco, had just acquired the Sta. Lucia Realty franchise. With the addition of Meralco, MVP now has a total of two PBA teams.

The other is Talk ‘N Text.

Ricky could have been talking seriously though, if we are to believe reports that the business magnate wants to have three PBA teams, to equal the number owned by Danding Cojuangco of San Miguel Corporation, a business rival.

Danding’s teams are San Miguel Beer, Ginebra San Miguel and B-Meg Derby Ace.


* * *


Last Friday at the Araneta Coliseum, player agent Charlie Dy asked if it was true that Maynilad was joining the PBA. He said the information came from very reliable sources.

Quickly I pulled out my mobile phone.

“Is it true?” I threw the question in turn at Ricky Vargas, who must have been packing his bags for a trip to Amaty, Kazakhstan, where his amateur boxers are competing.
Ricky is also the president of the Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines. He is also alternate governor of Talk ‘N Text in the PBA. If ever, Maynilad would be his third sporting concern.

His reply: “Hindi pa ngayon, Tita Beth, pinag-iisipan pa lang.”

Actually, I half expected Ricky to issue a full denial, although there might be some truth to the report.

“Eh, kailan?” I was persistent.

“Kung ako lang ang tatanungin, Tita Beth, next conference na sana. But we have to work it out first with the shareholders of the company. Personally though, I’m very excited with the prospect,” Ricky said.

I could not squeeze any thing more from Ricky, except a few parting words that I requested, to which he graciously acceded. His parting shot gave me something to think about.

“Cheers from the Aquamen—as fluid as water, mabilis mag-penetrate kahit saan,” Ricky said


epic.:D

this would even things out with the SMC teams

[nardy]

I do see basketball fans identifying themselves to consumer products like Beer, Gin, Soft Drinks, Energy Drinks, Hot Dogs, Ice Cream, Milk, and even Chicken Feed for Fighting Cocks

but I still find it difficult for ordinary fans being that attached to a realty firm, Paint, mail courier or public utilities.

It would be kinda difficult fans to cheer especially those belonging to the masses to cheer for MERALCO and MAYNILAD when said utilities raise their prices and make life more difficult.

even promoting cell phone services took a long time before fans embraced them really.

But to MVP gaining PR for his companies and winning championships is what is important.

I do see Maynilad coming in 2011 or 2012 taking over Barako but its core would be coming from SMART GILAS, what do you think?

[dxjayrock2008]

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A third MVP team in PBA?

Beth Celis
In Huddle

First Posted 12:46:36 31/10/2010

RECENTLY APPOINTED Maynilad President/CEO Victorico “Ricky” P. Vargas has long been joking about buying a PBA franchise for his new company.

He already even had a monicker for his future players.

“They would be called Aquanauts,” Ricky said laughing.

Ricky could have been serious at the time, but since he sounded like he was joking, nobody gave the matter much thought.

After all, one of the Manny V. Pangilinan-led companies, Meralco, had just acquired the Sta. Lucia Realty franchise. With the addition of Meralco, MVP now has a total of two PBA teams.

The other is Talk ‘N Text.

Ricky could have been talking seriously though, if we are to believe reports that the business magnate wants to have three PBA teams, to equal the number owned by Danding Cojuangco of San Miguel Corporation, a business rival.

Danding’s teams are San Miguel Beer, Ginebra San Miguel and B-Meg Derby Ace.


* * *


Last Friday at the Araneta Coliseum, player agent Charlie Dy asked if it was true that Maynilad was joining the PBA. He said the information came from very reliable sources.

Quickly I pulled out my mobile phone.

“Is it true?” I threw the question in turn at Ricky Vargas, who must have been packing his bags for a trip to Amaty, Kazakhstan, where his amateur boxers are competing.
Ricky is also the president of the Amateur Boxing Association of the Philippines. He is also alternate governor of Talk ‘N Text in the PBA. If ever, Maynilad would be his third sporting concern.

His reply: “Hindi pa ngayon, Tita Beth, pinag-iisipan pa lang.”

Actually, I half expected Ricky to issue a full denial, although there might be some truth to the report.

“Eh, kailan?” I was persistent.

“Kung ako lang ang tatanungin, Tita Beth, next conference na sana. But we have to work it out first with the shareholders of the company. Personally though, I’m very excited with the prospect,” Ricky said.

I could not squeeze any thing more from Ricky, except a few parting words that I requested, to which he graciously acceded. His parting shot gave me something to think about.

“Cheers from the Aquamen—as fluid as water, mabilis mag-penetrate kahit saan,” Ricky said


The new name of PBA will be SMC-MVP Basketball Association. Lol. :D:p

[Silent Killer]

The new name of PBA will be SMC-MVP Basketball Association. Lol. :D:p

what will coach tim coach yeng will say about this :rolleyes:

[ariel_muhlach]

what will coach tim coach yeng will say about this :rolleyes:

they like it or not .... PBA needs MVPs money and even that of SMC. Yes it is more ideal to have other teams owned by others but what can we do if they do not feel the PBA could do them good.

the Gokongweis could have gotten back in the PBA but they were not that inclined to continue maintaining Purefood's PBA team.

Shell definitely is not on the red but why did they chosen to walk away.

the Concepcions are doing good with their "negosyo" but are no longer that interested in going back to basketball.

Toyota for a time gotten back to basketball via the PBL but then they suddenly said good bye.

even the passion of the Ayalas for the sport of basketball is not enough to get them back into the PBA.

Lucio Tan's son Bong already burned his bridge with the PBA after the way Tanduay made its exit from the pro league.

Henry Sy would rather invest in an academic institution like National University rather than go into pro basketball.

Then again the other more strong corporations could not just enter the PBA because of the protectionism of the league for its current members due to a "silent rule" wherein direct competition to the current teams' products are not welcome to the league.

Remember when then PBA Commissioner Eala asked Globe to become a TV segment sponsor, he gotten in trouble with MVP's group.

[alien space bats]

I do see basketball fans identifying themselves to consumer products like Beer, Gin, Soft Drinks, Energy Drinks, Hot Dogs, Ice Cream, Milk, and even Chicken Feed for Fighting Cocks

but I still find it difficult for ordinary fans being that attached to a realty firm, Paint, mail courier or public utilities.

It would be kinda difficult fans to cheer especially those belonging to the masses to cheer for MERALCO and MAYNILAD when said utilities raise their prices and make life more difficult.

even promoting cell phone services took a long time before fans embraced them really.

But to MVP gaining PR for his companies and winning championships is what is important.

I do see Maynilad coming in 2011 or 2012 taking over Barako but its core would be coming from SMART GILAS, what do you think?i think it's a very bad idea to put the core of gilas on the same PBA team because this will only make it harder for SBP to pluck them out for future national team jousts. no team will allow a mass exodus of its players even if it's for legit reasons. that's disastrous.
so having 3 MVP teams in the PBA is a welcome idea. perhaps the core of gilas will be divided among these teams, making it a lot easier to borrow them when national duty beckons.

[nardy]

[quote]i think it's a very bad idea to put the core of gilas on the same PBA team because this will only make it harder for SBP to pluck them out for future national team jousts. no team will allow a mass exodus of its players even if it's for legit reasons. that's disastrous.
so having 3 MVP teams in the PBA is a welcome idea. perhaps the core of gilas will be divided among these teams, making it a lot easier to borrow them when national duty beckons.

I am not in favor of plucking out players from their mother teams just like that I am still hopeful in due time the SBP would come out the proper guidelines and procedures in borrowing players wherein all teams not only those at the PBA but all over the country are agreeable with.

From what I got the plan is really to have a continuos turnover of national team players wherein we would not be dependent on the PBA for the core of the National Team but they would only serve as lending of 3-4 players to act as veteran mentors of the young team. That is the current trend of International Basketball that has been the formula of Serbia. Even USA Basketball is doing this.

The SBP could nurture players from their U13 playing years upto their mid 20s at the Mens team but the Gilas players would graduate to the PBA as the SBP would not be able to match the asking price of the players that are ripe for the PBA. This players also need to earn a living for their family.

[nardy]

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Rumor: Maynilad abt to take ovr BB franchise in d PBA. W/c means MVP abt to hav 3 tms in d league to match SMC.


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Rumor: Maynilad abt to take ovr BB franchise in d PBA. W/c means MVP abt to hav 3 tms in d league to match SMC.


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it says "rumor". that means its still pretty much up in the air. but then again, that is how the meralco-takeover of slr started. and peeps from the pba forum are already at it.

[regierr]

Then again the other more strong corporations could not just enter the PBA because of the protectionism of the league for its current members due to a "silent rule" wherein direct competition to the current teams' products are not welcome to the league.

Remember when then PBA Commissioner Eala asked Globe to become a TV segment sponsor, he gotten in trouble with MVP's group.

They should really change this mentality, the PBA could have more teams if they are only willing to accept new companies. Also, instant rivalry between competing companies will be created which would make the league more interesting.

[YoonJay18]

It's no secret even before that Barako Bull is the team that is cash-strapped. And their franchise needs to be sold to other company - a more competitive company. Time will only tell whether Maynilad will enter the PBA next season via Barako Bull's franchise or an 11-team format for the PBA will emerge.

About Shell's disbandment, AFAIK, their mother company abroad stopped from supporting/bankrolling the team, thus, the Pilipinas Shell decided to just disband the team.

On the other hand, I am also wondering on why John Gokongwei isn't that interested anymore in the PBA. He could have been a good rival for Danding's SMC and MVP's teams. Nonetheless, if he decided to joint the PBA, I have an idea already of what their name could be:

Cebu Pacific Jet Fighters :D

[shootingbwakaw]

yes. the reasons you mentioned are part of the confluence of factors that led to the pba's significant loss of fan base. but just what other sports league/tournament in the philippines that started in the 70s (other than collegiate-based or gambling related) are still existing today and are still making some kicks (although not as strong as before)? heck, many tv programs, tv stations, magazines, radio stations, business franchises, music and movie productions, etc., have closed shop. in a way, the pba should be proud that it is still existing. but they do need to make some changes to remain where they are now and gradually gets stronger again. in this days of internet, piracy, and sex scandals, they need to retain what's good with them and experiment on what could be better for them. time to take the risk and invest for the future and the future is now :D

ah, I see .... so they better add sex scandals to their marketing formula. well the James Yap episode was a start ... who do we have next in line? Patrimonio & Nap Gutierrez? or a sleazy coach & his players? beats telenovelas to me.

[SG 3000]

ah, I see .... so they better add sex scandals to their marketing formula. well the James Yap episode was a start ... who do we have next in line? Patrimonio & Nap Gutierrez? or a sleazy coach & his players? beats telenovelas to me.

lol. possible :D.

but the "internet, piracy, and sex scandal" were just used to emphasized that we are in a different time, different in the previous decades; that the appetite for entertainment of people now are varied more than ever. and the gist of my last statement is about the pba maintaining what is good with them (what is still working for them now) and trying new things (that could enhance or support what is working for them now). i was not implying that they used scandals, but since you mentioned it maybe it would work :D.

[alien space bats]

ah, I see .... so they better add sex scandals to their marketing formula. well the James Yap episode was a start ... who do we have next in line? Patrimonio & Nap Gutierrez? or a sleazy coach & his players? beats telenovelas to me.

the PBA should have a Big Brotheresque coverage prior to every game. extra cameras placed in locker rooms, gyms; interviews with fans, coaches and families should do the trick.
then, at halftime, the tv crew should follow the players into the locker rooms. imagine, yeng guiao cursing and kicking his players on cam. that's reality tv for basketball fans. it makes me blush just by thinking about it. :D

[TrueBluePinoy]

PBA NOTES: PBA commissioner Chito Salud has expressed his disappointment on SolarTV’s technical problems in its live coverage of PBA games. For the third time this conference, the coverage went off the air last night. “Solar’s inefficiency and failure to address its commitment to broadcast the PBA in a manner that meets the public expectation is unacceptable and a public disservice. It is unfortunate that no one from Solar is taking charge. The PBA and its fans are utterly disappointed,” said Salud. Solar has been slapped a fine of P3 million for the Oct. 15 incident.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=626142&publicationSubCategoryId=69

[KevinDurant]

So, technically, there would be only 6 companies in the PBA.

SMC - SMB, BGK and BMEG
Metro pacific - TNT, Meralco and Maynilad
Uytengsu - Alaska
Lina - Air21
Asian Coating - ROS
Coca Cola - Powerade

[Jay P. Mercado]

On the other hand, I am also wondering on why John Gokongwei isn't that interested anymore in the PBA. He could have been a good rival for Danding's SMC and MVP's teams. Nonetheless, if he decided to joint the PBA, I have an idea already of what their name could be:

Cebu Pacific Jet Fighters :D

We got a sampling for 18 seasons on how John Gokongwei ran a PBA team. His company was a pioneer team in the PBA - CFC or Consolidated Foods Corporation which houses brands like Great Taste, Presto, N-Rich, among others played from 1975 until 1992. In that 18-season span, the Gokongwei franchise won 6 titles, including a near grandslam in 1984 and 1985 when they won 4 straight titles.

But from 1975 to 1982, the franchise can hardly be described as "competitive" as they found themselves in the cellar most of the time. The turnaround came when Ignacio Gotao was appointed team manager. Gotao was able to make his team competitive by coming up with deals that allowed marquee players to suit up the cream-colored Great Taste team. Names like Bogs Adornado, Ricky Brown, Manny Victorino, Philip Cezar, Abe King, Arnie Tuadles, Allan Caidic, Atoy Co, Bernie Fabiosa, etc. were vital cogs in the championship runs that the franchise experienced.

However, I don't see the Gokongwei family as "competitive" in the basketball setting as ECJ or MVP. Perhaps, it's because the latter two are genuine basketball fans, as evidenced by their frequenting the games in the venues. I never recalled Big John in any of the Presto game, even when he was younger.

I doubt if Gokongwei will rejoin the PBA in the near future. Note that despite their excellent financial standing back in 1992, they still ended up disbanding the team. It wasn't because they didn't have the resources - they simply thought this wasn't the avenue for them to advertise their brand/s. I don't see that changing two decades after, unless the PBA becomes the biggest marketing vehicle in the country once more.

[duphaR007]

I hope Henry Sy's SM enters the PBA.

[YoonJay18]

We got a sampling for 18 seasons on how John Gokongwei ran a PBA team. His company was a pioneer team in the PBA - CFC or Consolidated Foods Corporation which houses brands like Great Taste, Presto, N-Rich, among others played from 1975 until 1992. In that 18-season span, the Gokongwei franchise won 6 titles, including a near grandslam in 1984 and 1985 when they won 4 straight titles.

But from 1975 to 1982, the franchise can hardly be described as "competitive" as they found themselves in the cellar most of the time. The turnaround came when Ignacio Gotao was appointed team manager. Gotao was able to make his team competitive by coming up with deals that allowed marquee players to suit up the cream-colored Great Taste team. Names like Bogs Adornado, Ricky Brown, Manny Victorino, Philip Cezar, Abe King, Arnie Tuadles, Allan Caidic, Atoy Co, Bernie Fabiosa, etc. were vital cogs in the championship runs that the franchise experienced.

However, I don't see the Gokongwei family as "competitive" in the basketball setting as ECJ or MVP. Perhaps, it's because the latter two are genuine basketball fans, as evidenced by their frequenting the games in the venues. I never recalled Big John in any of the Presto game, even when he was younger.

I doubt if Gokongwei will rejoin the PBA in the near future. Note that despite their excellent financial standing back in 1992, they still ended up disbanding the team. It wasn't because they didn't have the resources - they simply thought this wasn't the avenue for them to advertise their brand/s. I don't see that changing two decades after, unless the PBA becomes the biggest marketing vehicle in the country once more.

Oh, I see. Gokongwei was never a basketball fan and just joined the PBA as a marketing venture during the early years of the league.

With the way PBA is going on right now, I don't think JG is even thinking of the idea right now.

Which leads me to the Sys. I'm not so sure on why they are investing their bucks on a university like NU beside the fact that the ywant to help the youth to finish their studies through scholarship programs. Although, they are very aggressive on the sports program of the university, specifically the men's basketball.

Do you think they have the same reason with Gokongwei? Because as I see it, the Sys are considering UAAP as a stronger league, fan base-based, than the PBA.

[reamily]

Oh, I see. Gokongwei was never a basketball fan and just joined the PBA as a marketing venture during the early years of the league.

With the way PBA is going on right now, I don't think JG is even thinking of the idea right now.

Which leads me to the Sys. I'm not so sure on why they are investing their bucks on a university like NU beside the fact that the ywant to help the youth to finish their studies through scholarship programs. Although, they are very aggressive on the sports program of the university, specifically the men's basketball.

Do you think they have the same reason with Gokongwei? Because as I see it, the Sys are considering UAAP as a stronger league, fan base-based, than the PBA.

nope they just want to promote NU to the youth more

strong sports program = more students for nu

time will come that these recruits would wish to be cradled by the same benefactor who recruited them i see a nu core in pb in 2 years time and maybe a pba team soon.

remeber sy never use the sm product in nu uniforms they promote nu they do not need to promote sm

[kerouac82]

Oh, I see. Gokongwei was never a basketball fan and just joined the PBA as a marketing venture during the early years of the league.

With the way PBA is going on right now, I don't think JG is even thinking of the idea right now.

Which leads me to the Sys. I'm not so sure on why they are investing their bucks on a university like NU beside the fact that the ywant to help the youth to finish their studies through scholarship programs. Although, they are very aggressive on the sports program of the university, specifically the men's basketball.

Do you think they have the same reason with Gokongwei? Because as I see it, the Sys are considering UAAP as a stronger league, fan base-based, than the PBA.

Actually, the Sy family and the SM Foundation have been involved in the education sector before acquiring NU. In 1991, the SM Foundation and IBM Philippines embarked on a joint venture that would later become FEU's East Asia College. In that same year, the two entities also set up Asia Pacific College (APC) in Magallanes.

According to a previously-published Wikipedia article, NU will be patterning its curriculum after APC's. Not bad, considering that APC's IT program is a CHEd Center of Excellence.

[reamily]

Actually, the Sy family and the SM Foundation have been involved in the education sector before acquiring NU. In 1991, the SM Foundation and IBM Philippines embarked on a joint venture that would later become FEU's East Asia College. In that same year, the two entities also set up Asia Pacific College (APC) in Magallanes.

According to a previously-published Wikipedia article, NU will be patterning its curriculum after APC's. Not bad, considering that APC's IT program is a CHEd Center of Excellence.

So NU's flagship program would be in IT education. And they also planning to have medicine and nursing curriculums through St. Jude?

[ariel_muhlach]

http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20101026-299853/Metro-Pacific-to-run-Lourdes-Hospital

With MVP now running Lourdes Hospital .... would not be surprised if ever Air21 sells their franchise, we'll soon have a Hospital as part of the PBA :D

What should be their monicker .... the Doctors, the Nurses, the Surgeons, the Ambulance Drivers ???? ;)

then we have to call Yeng Guiao as the Head Nurse :p

[Jay P. Mercado]

A lot of businessmen nowadays have invested into educational institutions. One reason is to help the country improve the educational standards of the country. This is nothing new. MVP is supporting San Beda and Ateneo, Danding Cojuangco used to support Dela Salle back in the 80's, and Bong Tan (scion of Lucio Tan) owns University of the East where he bought the school from the Maharishis.

Another reason is that Sy is looking at NU as a pipeline for his future employees. We're all aware of the number of employees the Sys would need for their retail establishments, and getting employees from the school that they practically own would make things easier for them. But to do that, as Reamily cited, a strong sports program would bring more students to their fold. At this time, the Sampaloc-based school doesn't get the same interest as other schools get, making them second or third priorities. But if they're able to work out a niche by becoming the biggest IT-inspired school in the country, then the Sys won't have any problems pertaining to employment in the future.

As for them joining the big league, it's still a farfetched notion. It may come, but everything would be dependent on how they do well in the UAAP. If they progress well under Bobby Parks and Eric Altamirano, Hans Sy may see the logic of SM joining more basketball tournaments in the future. They may want to start somewhere like joining La Liga / PBL or sponsoring the national teams to test the waters. If the learning from this turns out to be beneficial for them, apart from making it part of their corporate responsibility, then a PBA undertaking may follow suit.

[Jay P. Mercado]

http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20101026-299853/Metro-Pacific-to-run-Lourdes-Hospital

With MVP now running Lourdes Hospital .... would not be surprised if ever Air21 sells their franchise, we'll soon have a Hospital as part of the PBA :D

What should be their monicker .... the Doctors, the Nurses, the Surgeons, the Ambulance Drivers ???? ;)

then we have to call Yeng Guiao as the Head Nurse :p

I'm not sure if it's a wise idea for MVP to take over the franchise of Bert Lina's Air 21. Assuming Maynilad takes over Barako Bulls, then they'll already have 3 teams in the league, at par with San Miguel Corporation. While having a 4th team would establish domination in basketball by MVP (the same route used by Danding Cojuangco in the 80's and 90's), it may not be wise for them to do so.

My opinion is that MVP would benefit more having Air 21 as a strategic ally in the PBA instead of being his altogether. Air 21 has shown its "generosity" in giving up marquee and expensive players to other teams - something that can be used as an advantage by MVP's teams. Doing so would not require a conduit team to consummate trades between the two parties. But acquiring the Air 21 franchise would limit them from doing so. Hence, to simply continue their relationship as "allies" would make MVP's teams more formidable in the future by acquiring the marquee players of Air 21 when they become more expensive.

Speaking of hospitals, that's another approach taken by MVP as part of his corporate responsibility. Hospitals like Cardinal Santos, Makati Medical, Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital (known for its maternity program), and two more hospitals in the South are now in the Metro Pacific fold, something akin to Danding Cojuangco sponsoring St. Luke's Hospital in Quezon City. Note that the most expensive suite at St. Luke's, the Ambassador's Suite where Ron Jacobs used to be confined and where Cojuangco stays for his annual checkup, is named after him. I won't be surprised if other high-end hospitals like Capitol Medical, Medical City, Polymedic Hospital, among others, are being eyed by MVP for acquisition as well.

[reamily]

^^ Sir MVP is an executive right although he is the boss of these companies does not mean he owns them

[nardy]

^^ Sir MVP is an executive right although he is the boss of these companies does not mean he owns them

He is not just an executive as he is the majority stockholder in all the said companies which makes a great deal of difference.

http://www.philippines-bohol.info/Manuel_V._Pangilinan

[SG 3000]

^^ Sir MVP is an executive right although he is the boss of these companies does not mean he owns them

executive and stockholder.

[reamily]

He is not just an executive as he is the majority stockholder in all the said companies which makes a great deal of difference.

http://www.philippines-bohol.info/Manuel_V._Pangilinan

I see so he does grow his assets thru these:D

[nardy]

I see so he does grow his assets thru these:D

If you really know your economics, once a person or group of people controls all major industries in a country, they are actually the real power in the country not the politicians. That is what is happening between the groups of MVP and San Miguel, they are actually battling for the control of the country. They had already gone out of industry that they are controlling and had grossly diversified.

[reamily]

If you really know your economics, once a person or group of people controls all major industries in a country, they are actually the real power in the country not the politicians. That is what is happening between the groups of MVP and San Miguel, they are actually battling for the control of the country. They had already gone out of industry that they are controlling and had grossly diversified.

which is absolutely correct sir:D

[SG 3000]

He is not just an executive as he is the majority stockholder in all the said companies which makes a great deal of difference.

http://www.philippines-bohol.info/Manuel_V._Pangilinan

i don't think so. not all. the indonesians are still the majority owner of first pacific company. they are just letting mvp run the show.

[Jay P. Mercado]

i don't think so. not all. the indonesians are still the majority owner of first pacific company. they are just letting mvp run the show.

Which is actually correct. But I never stated in my post that MVP owns Metro Pacific. He's given free rein to run things here, including the acquisition and diversification of the company into other progressive industries. But we all know that the Indonesian stakeholders do not dictate to MVP what's to be done - instead, MVP does his due diligence by looking into other companies that may be bought - presents this to the majority shareholders, who ultimately would give their final approval.

This includes the corporate responsibility that the Group has undertaken. Whether it's the purchase of hospitals or schools, all these decisions emanate from the studies made by MVP's team. When it comes to supporting national candidates, MVP also has the final say as to who the company will support. At the end of the day, while MVP may not necessarily own the company, he does wield a huge influence on how decisions come about. This includes how its basketball teams are run.

[SG 3000]

Which is actually correct. But I never stated in my post that MVP owns Metro Pacific. He's given free rein to run things here, including the acquisition and diversification of the company into other progressive industries. But we all know that the Indonesian stakeholders do not dictate to MVP what's to be done - instead, MVP does his due diligence by looking into other companies that may be bought - presents this to the majority shareholders, who ultimately would give their final approval.

This includes the corporate responsibility that the Group has undertaken. Whether it's the purchase of hospitals or schools, all these decisions emanate from the studies made by MVP's team. When it comes to supporting national candidates, MVP also has the final say as to who the company will support. At the end of the day, while MVP may not necessarily own the company, he does wield a huge influence on how decisions come about. This includes how its basketball teams are run.

i never said u did. i was responding on nardy's post :)

[Jay P. Mercado]

i never said u did. i was responding on nardy's post :)

Not you SG. I was referring to Reamily's correction that he's not the owner of these companies. Sorry if I confused things...

[nardy]

i never said u did. i was responding on nardy's post :)

Ok I stand corrected of him being a majority stockholder. But with the way the Salim Group trust MVP, it is as if he is not just a mere executive but as a trusted partner who do the dirty work for them.

[SG 3000]

Not you SG. I was referring to Reamily's correction that he's not the owner of these companies. Sorry if I confused things...

ok...got to be the time. but yes ur post above pretty much explains why mvp is running the show as if he owns or controls first pacific and its philippine's arm, metro pacific.

[SG 3000]

Ok I stand corrected of him being a majority stockholder. But with the way the Salim Group trust MVP, it is as if he is not just a mere executive but as a trusted partner who do the dirty work for them.

well, he's the founder of first pacific if i remember what i read before. its just that the money that fueled it came from that indonesian family. who knows, one day mvp could become rich enough to buy the majority of that company ( i doubt it though). anyway, the richer he gets, the better our sports programs would be :).

[Jay P. Mercado]

I believe the Salim Group was close to the Suhartos during the time when President Suharto was running Indonesia. Note that Suharto took over the country in a coup d etat from General Sukarno and ruled Indonesia not unlike how Marcos ran the Philippines. Suharto, though, stayed longer as ruling head. The difference though was that while Marcos brought his assets to other countries, Suharto retained most of these at his home country. This allowed him to practically own all the biggest companies in Indonesia, which included Indo Food (which is like San Miguel here) and First Pacific, with the Salim family as his front.

[SG 3000]

I believe the Salim Group was close to the Suhartos during the time when President Suharto was running Indonesia. Note that Suharto took over the country in a coup d etat from General Sukarno and ruled Indonesia not unlike how Marcos ran the Philippines. Suharto, though, stayed longer as ruling head. The difference though was that while Marcos brought his assets to other countries, Suharto retained most of these at his home country. This allowed him to practically own all the biggest companies in Indonesia, which included Indo Food (which is like San Miguel here) and First Pacific, with the Salim family as his front.

reminds me of apo danding hehe. we should be happy that a few of our billionaires are supporting sports in our country. hopefully, others follow.

[kingsville]

here we go again:

barako traded hans thiele to meralco for dennis daa.

[eindhow]

here we go again:

barako traded hans thiele to meralco for dennis daa.

WTF?!?! Just when he is having a good rookie year..>.<

I wouldn't be surprised if Coach Ryan Gregorio or even the commentators mix Han Thiele with Gabby Espinas now that they're teammates..:D:cool::D:cool:

[ricodgame]

Maybe that's the reason why Coach Junel Baculi used him for only 13 minutes last game. Did Big Mac received an extension?

[capitantiago]

here we go again:

barako traded hans thiele to meralco for dennis daa.

lol ryan gregorio has changed his preferences. lol

[YoonJay18]

^ Yes, he received an extension until the end of the conference. He deserved it.

On the recent trade, I won't be surprised if Ryan Gregorio will be proud in saying that he got a Marc Pingris-type of a player. :D

They need scorers right now, not the energy guys. Omolon is there. Espians is there. Even Ross can give the Bolts hustle points. But they lack a scorer to support Cardona.

Niño Canaleta? :D

[ricodgame]

^KG the guy that BMEG-pexers fans loves to hate.. haha

[bognut]

They need scorers right now, not the energy guys. Omolon is there. Espians is there. Even Ross can give the Bolts hustle points. But they lack a scorer to support Cardona.

Niño Canaleta? :D

trade pon escobal for sol mercado.

fair trade :o

[ariel_muhlach]

trade pon escobal for sol mercado.

fair trade :o

Pong is among the "untouchables" list of MVP. It is composed of former Blue Eagles, former Red Lions and former Talk N Text players.

when MVP made a promise he'll take care of the player, he'll take care of him. Now its up to the coaching staff to squeeze out the player's full potential.

A very good example is Gilbert Lao .... better players had already dissapeared but he's still in the PBA after all these years.

[b3lowzro]

Pong is among the "untouchables" list of MVP. It is composed of former Blue Eagles, former Red Lions and former Talk N Text players.

when MVP made a promise he'll take care of the player, he'll take care of him. Now its up to the coaching staff to squeeze out the player's full potential.

A very good example is Gilbert Lao .... better players had already dissapeared but he's still in the PBA after all these years.

well Gilbert Lao does have height and plays decent basketball even if he lacks the scoring prowess.

[capitantiago]

well Gilbert Lao does have height and plays decent basketball even if he lacks the scoring prowess.

but i'd rather have jumbo bolado in my team because of his lucky charm that ensures a championship. lol

[b3lowzro]

but i'd rather have jumbo bolado in my team because of his lucky charm that ensures a championship. lol

hmm is he up for assistant coaching? maybe he can still bring his charm even off the court. If he does, I guess Noli and Coach Rajko might consider him :D as an assistant coach.

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:eek:

I pity this guy. No PBA team wants him, kicked out on his 1st game in the ABL and now he's got no job. Hoping for the best!

[nardy]

:eek:

I pity this guy. No PBA team wants him, kicked out on his 1st game in the ABL and now he's got no job. Hoping for the best!

a number of players are actually unemployed at the moment .... some are mediocre but there are quality ones. Some had productive years in the PBA but their previous contract made them overpriced currently .....

Nic Belasco .... Junthy Valenzuela .... Chris Calaguio .... Kelvin dela Pena .... etc

Draftees that has not yet played in the PBA from Class of 2010 .... John Wilson (injured), Pari Llagas (with the Philippine Patriots) and Rob Labagala.
From Class of 2009, James Sena, Mark Benitez, Benedict Fernandez (with the Philippine Patriots), Edwin Asoro, Sean Co and PJ Walsham. From Class of 2008, Cholo Villanueva, Jonathan Fernandez, Mark Cuevas and Christian Cabatu ..... a lot more from the earlier classes and much more who were left undrafted.

With no PBL and no Liga Pilipinas, they have no where to go.

[bognut]

With no PBL and no Liga Pilipinas, they have no where to go.

i think this brings us to players doing better in their study...

they should know the importance of knowledge...

good thing for those players who has rich family backgrounds...

bad for those who came from a poor family that will surely play for money and not the knowledge they'll get in school...

they're eyes should be opened... they always say that basketball is their life... but in reality it's just another job... and if you 'aint got one... you dont have a life... :o

[kerouac82]

i think this brings us to players doing better in their study...

they should know the importance of knowledge...

good thing for those players who has rich family backgrounds...

bad for those who came from a poor family that will surely play for money and not the knowledge they'll get in school...

they're eyes should be opened... they always say that basketball is their life... but in reality it's just another job... and if you 'aint got one... you dont have a life... :o

A college degree, wherever it comes from, is still a college degree, and will definitely prove useful if for some reason someone can't play. Ford Arao, for example, got injured in 2008, reportedly parlayed his degree into a stint as an SAP consultant, and worked himself back into playing shape. Former juniors MVP Ken Barracoso saw the writing on the wall with the arrival of Ryan Buenafe and accepted a position at P&G. If ever Jai Reyes does not pan out at Powerade, he has a management economics degree to fall back on. Whoever says that studies should not matter at all do not seem to have had any difficulty finding a job or have not yet tried looking for one.

[capitantiago]

A college degree, wherever it comes from, is still a college degree, and will definitely prove useful if for some reason someone can't play. Ford Arao, for example, got injured in 2008, reportedly parlayed his degree into a stint as an SAP consultant, and worked himself back into playing shape. Former juniors MVP Ken Barracoso saw the writing on the wall with the arrival of Ryan Buenafe and accepted a position at P&G. If ever Jai Reyes does not pan out at Powerade, he has a management economics degree to fall back on. Whoever says that studies should not matter at all do not seem to have had any difficulty finding a job or have not yet tried looking for one.

and even James Yap, already a PBA superstar, 2-time PBA MVP and certified millionaire and celebrity (lol), went back to UE to finish his degree.

who knows, he might be an executive for the Lucio Tan Group of Companies if SMC won't take him in. :D

[nardy]

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"Team Gilas and PBA Players Turned OFWs"

10/21/2010 | 03:46 PM

Episode on October 22, 2010
Friday after OFW Diaries

TEAM GILAS: PHILIPPINE NATIONAL BASKETBALL TEAM

Kasama na sa ating mga pangarap na muling makita ang ating koponan na makapasok sa Olympics.

At lahat ng pangarap na ito nasa kamay ng ating National Basketball team. Ang Team Gilas!

Sa kanilang paghahanda para sa London Olympic Games sa 2011, sumasabak ang Team Gilas sa iba't-ibang liga sa ibang bansa.

Bukod sa nakakatulong ito sa paghubog ng kanilang galing, halos nalibot na rin nila ang buong mundo dahil dito.

Determinado ang Team Gilas na patunayan sa buong mundo na kahit mas malalaki ang bulas ng mga manlalaro ng ibang bansa, kaya nilang tapatan ang galing ng mga ito at mapaglaki ang gilas ng mga Pilipino.

EX-PBA PLAYERS, OFW NA!

Nagmula sila sa mga liga ng University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP)

Hanggang sa sumabak sila sa larangan ng professional basketball tulad ng Philippine Basketball Association (PBA).

Ito ang dating larawan ng mga dating PBA players tulad nina Niño Gelig at Marvin Ortiguerra.

Noon, sa apat na sulok ng basketball court sila bumibida...

Ngayon, sa mga construction companies na nila ipinagpatuloy ang laro ng buhay...

Time-out daw muna sila sa paglalaro ng basketball at balak nilang mag-fastbreak sa ibang larangan.

Pero ano nga bang dahilan ng kanilang maagang pagreretiro?

"Bilog ang bola"..ito raw ang kapalaran ng bawat manlalaro sa basketball. Hindi mo alam kung ika'y mananalo o kaya naman matatalo.

Ang tunay na kwento ng mga basketbolistang Pinoy sa likod ng bawat hirap at tagumpay...

Ngayong Biyernes na ng gabi sa OFW Diaries at Mga Kuwentong Pinoy Overseas, pagkatapos ng Saksi!

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[the_BuGs]

Reality, if you are good player but no charisma. You are nothing in PBA, and you will end up as being a role player.

[Coke_Hero]

Draftees that has not yet played in the PBA from Class of 2010 .... John Wilson (injured), Pari Llagas (with the Philippine Patriots) and Rob Labagala.
From Class of 2009, James Sena, Mark Benitez, Benedict Fernandez (with the Philippine Patriots), Edwin Asoro, Sean Co and PJ Walsham. From Class of 2008, Cholo Villanueva, Jonathan Fernandez, Mark Cuevas and Christian Cabatu ..... a lot more from the earlier classes and much more who were left undrafted.

With no PBL and no Liga Pilipinas, they have no where to go.

I think Benedict and Jonathan Fernandez both got minimal playing time with Barako and B-Meg, respectively, before. He was inserted in and out at times. Sena and Asoro failed their medicals, if I'm not mistaken.

Cholo Villanueva had an okay stint with Air21 but as we all know, he's with the DLSU Coaching Staff now.

[Silent Killer]

cholo has game. just playing time.. he needs playing time to prove his worth.

[basketball_id]

Hello,

Do you know if there are any Europeans playing in PBA?
And if there are what is there average payroll?

Thanks.

[capitantiago]

Hello,

Do you know if there are any Europeans playing in PBA?
And if there are what is there average payroll?

Thanks.

PBA is for Filipinos with or without foreign ancestry unless they are imports hired for a certain tournament.

there used to be Fil-Euros who played in the PBA. Alex Crisano is a Fil-Italian, I heard.

[nardy]

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[b3lowzro]

PBA is for Filipinos with or without foreign ancestry unless they are imports hired for a certain tournament.

there used to be Fil-Euros who played in the PBA. Alex Crisano is a Fil-Italian, I heard.

Alex Crisano is from New York, lot a American Italians.

Fil-Swiss Michael Burtscher is from Switzerland (I'm not sure if he grew up in the States) while Joachim Gunther Thoss has German blood but grew up in Australia.

[neo]

Alex Crisano is from New York, lot a American Italians.

Fil-Swiss Michael Burtscher is from Switzerland (I'm not sure if he grew up in the States) while Joachim Gunther Thoss has German blood but grew up in Australia.

feihl is half-german right? (or maybe 1/4?)

and i remember reading that james walkvist is from sweden?

[nardy]

Alex Crisano is from New York, lot a American Italians.

Fil-Swiss Michael Burtscher is from Switzerland (I'm not sure if he grew up in the States) while Joachim Gunther Thoss has German blood but grew up in Australia.


Sonny Thoss actually grew-up in Papua New Guinea but studied in Australia.

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