Euroleague Top 16, Round 4

[chrisfiss]

Originally Posted by Picek

now you are talking bull..
while we were winning european trophies and rulling the basketball in Europe Pao didn't even know what the basketball was..
so you can think what you want..
that is a fact the same as it is the fact Pao is the best team in europe in last 10 years..
but that was last year and in years before that or 20 something years before in our case..
the fact is that the team with the 2nd or 3d biggest budget in Europe is at the same score (0-4) with the team who is the youngest of all 24 teams which entered the euroleague, which hasn't been payed almost the entire season and which has the second lowest or the lowest budget of all teams which entered euroleague this season..
and especially I have every right to piss on their score considering how full of shit were two Pao fans here at the begininng of the season and during the seasons..
now the pricks can enjoy it as much as they want..
oh, btw they said they will be here in may..
I just wonder, may 2011 or may 2012.?

When I said u cant compare cibona with pao i meant the latest seasons, dont get insulted. As i already said I'm an OLY fan and I'm not here to try to defend pao. and i can understand that you hate pao fans, i'm just telling you that even if we manage to win the treble this year my PAO friends will still believe that they have a better team so i now how annoying they can be. BUT i can't understand the poisonous comments for a team that in my opinion dominated Euroleague in the recent years.

[Luíz for 3]

Wonderful night in Euroleague, with 5 decisive games. Barça showed, once again, once again vs. Pao, that is the top contender for the EL title this season. We still have two games to play and only the group G is pratically closed...

[tortoise]

Originally Posted by Picek

Pao lost in Belgrade even when they had something to fight for in previous seasons..
those were very suspicious losses though..
what do you think will happen now that they don't have anything to fight for?

I thought that only Red Star fans are stupid enough to say nonsense like that. Obviously, I was wrong.

[KWSN-Men]

Originally Posted by Picek

now you are talking bull..
while we were winning european trophies and rulling the basketball in Europe Pao didn't even know what the basketball was..
so you can think what you want..
that is a fact the same as it is the fact Pao is the best team in europe in last 10 years..
but that was last year and in years before that or 20 something years before in our case..
the fact is that the team with the 2nd or 3d biggest budget in Europe is at the same score (0-4) with the team who is the youngest of all 24 teams which entered the euroleague, which hasn't been payed almost the entire season and which has the second lowest or the lowest budget of all teams which entered euroleague this season..
and especially I have every right to piss on their score considering how full of shit were two Pao fans here at the begininng of the season and during the seasons..
now the pricks can enjoy it as much as they want..
oh, btw they said they will be here in may..
I just wonder, may 2011 or may 2012.?

"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."

Margaret Thatcher


Panathinaikos
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Much better than Cibona is doing the last 15 years....

We missed you very much last May... I guess this time you can be happy, you don't have to cut off your internet for 2-3 months like last year... 2011 will be a bitch though... like 2007 and 2009...

[jonga]

Originally Posted by Blinky

what happens for second place in Oly's group now that khimki and Caja have both won by 11? What's the next critetia assuming they will both lose from Oly and win Cibona and finish on 3-3? (just assuming, because there is a good chance for a 2-4 triple with cibona too...)

I have seen a lot of games of olympiakos this year by euroleague.tv and I think that they are overvalued..... they can lost against baskonia or against khimki, or both games. in this forum people think that olympiakos are umbeatable or something like that..... they won both games against cibona with luck. and I think that cibona can win against khimki in zagreb..... baskonia and oly won in zagreb in very hard games, croatians deserve a win (they lost almost the four games for little difference).

if baskonia play a perfect game in athens, they can win, they need a very good day in 3p shoot, like today, but if baskonia win by 5...... olympiakos need to win in russia and a lot of pressure..... don't remember, there is a chance to 4-2 oly, baskonia and khimki. is difficult, but all is possible.

I sign now olympiakos 6-0 and baskonia and khimki 3-3, in that case I see more chances in the general average for baskonia. but if baskonia lost in athens and khimki win in zagreb, baskonia is clearly eliminated. I think that the greeks they will play in russia with bench players or something like that..... and will be sure a win by khimki.

Originally Posted by Psofimis

Without a PG you cant win a euroleague title Barcelona...

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha, are u kidding? rubio is very very very good PG. and lakovic is a good PG too, scorer PG, more like a SG.

if olympiakos win barcelona in a final four will be a great surprise for me. barca is clearly the best team in europe, they won in athens after three very hard games in the spanish cup. and olympiakos is a superstars roster but like a team they are worse.

[Led00]

Just got back home from the game.
I must say that cheering in first half wasnt as good as I was hoping for. But 3rdQ was hell! Literally, the whole Pionir was on its feet screeming as loud as we could! When Partizan was at +6, we were all hoping that we could score just a few more points, but, we won, and nothing else metters!

[Richey666]

Funny you're quoting Thatcher, cause if Germany will finally get tired of decades-long sponsoring this socialist spending madness, will anyone in Greece have any money left by 2011, including Pao?

Anyways, it's fantastic to see this overpaid- and -hyped team losing again and reading it's pathetic fans excusing it with past glories.

Originally Posted by KWSN-Men

"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."

Margaret Thatcher
We missed you very much last May... I guess this time you can be happy, you don't have to cut off your internet for 2-3 months like last year... 2011 will be a bitch though... like 2007 and 2009...

[KWSN-Men]

Originally Posted by Richey666

Funny you're quoting Thatcher, cause if Germany will finally get tired of decades-long sponsoring this socialist spending madness, will anyone in Greece have any money left by 2011, including Pao?

Anyways, it's fantastic to see this overpaid- and -hyped team losing again and reading it's pathetic fans excusing it with past glories.

We can always ask back the 70 billion euro that Nazis and their lackies (like yourself) stole from Greece in WWII.

Should be fun to watch them trying to pay...

[extremistis]

Originally Posted by jonga

I
hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha, are u kidding? rubio is very very very good PG. and lakovic is a good PG too, scorer PG, more like a SG.

if olympiakos win barcelona in a final four will be a great surprise for me. barca is clearly the best team in europe, they won in athens after three very hard games in the spanish cup. and olympiakos is a superstars roster but like a team they are worse.

Rubio is a very very very OVERATED player. End of story.

As for Barca, it' s the typical example of team (so was Kaha some years ago) that impress with their play all season and are able to lose their ability to win when we get to the final 4. Yoy will remember me then. I will not be surprised at all even if they don't get to the final, as they did last year too.

[seahawk35]

Originally Posted by KWSN-Men

LOL!

Try reading the posts of the thread before you post.

As I said, PAO will spend BIG this summer.

dont bet on this...even if they are willing too (i have my doubts that they want/can maintain the budget in the same levels),it is difficult for the simple reason that there not the such players(Greek ones) in the market in order to make the difference against Oly and Barca etc...

[seahawk35]

Originally Posted by KWSN-Men

"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."

Margaret Thatcher


Panathinaikos
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Much better than Cibona is doing the last 15 years....

We missed you very much last May... I guess this time you can be happy, you don't have to cut off your internet for 2-3 months like last year... 2011 will be a bitch though... like 2007 and 2009...

sorry but there is something wrong in your point of view when you claim that there was a euroleague in 60's-70s-80s..
What last 16 during 70s you are mentioning.....?
Last 16 means that you eliminated in second round those years,after facing only 2 oponents....
Pao is a great team (the best in Europe during the last 10 years) but you have to admit the fact that when Cibona ruled the european basketball with Drazen-Alexander-Cveticjanin-Usic-Nakic-Knego etc...our Greek teams could not reach that high level.
Oly and PAO 2 times with only loses in final 6....and my team Aris managed to the final 8 only on 88 for first time.

[fulcizombie]

Originally Posted by janos

Every greek bball coach sacrifices player talent for the sake of discipline to the team system and everybody knows that greek bball is hustling and slow , organized 5 on 5 plays above everything else.
Any greek coach would use this same remedy in OLY, even if they are the most talented offensive team in Europe.
Giannakis is no different. He is the right coach for teams like Partizan or Maroussi but the wrong one for teams like Oly or Barca.
I'd pick him over Gerson but not over Kazlauskas.

Agreed. Olympiakos would be unbeatable with Kazlaouskas.

[Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!!]

Memorable game in Vistalegre with great intensity and Real Madrid taking the basket average tie breaker from Montepachi in spectacular fahion. -Is Llull the "best point guard in Europe" yes or no?-.

Unicaja finally got a taste of their own medicine as Zalgiris exploded for 22 three pointers on 33 attempts. Next week it's going to be interesting because for Unicaja to be Unicaja they have to not only lose against Zalgiris but also to beat CSKA-see Unicajian performance fluctuation syndrome-. Wouldn't it be nice if Prokom finished first in this group?

It is remarkable that Barça eliminated PAO in OAKA in the same week they won the Copa del Rey in an outstanding effort. People overlook how difficult is to play consecutively at the highest level and Barça won four crucial battles in this short span. Clearly the win of the week.
Interesting Robbe theories about Panathinaikos saving efforts for "when it matters" proved drastically wrong.

Perasovic's Cibona undeservedly going winless in Top 16.

[Billy Bounce]

Pao lost when Pekovic got his 5th foul for stupid moving screen, after that nobody could stop twin towers Vasques & Lorbek under the Pao rim

There is still an intrigue in group E after Pao is out : will Obradovic allow Partizan to go top8 or it would be Maroussi ?

[yessuz]

Originally Posted by pohani komarac

we beat Kaštela in cup QF beat that

We beat Cibona. No need to beat anything else. We are the No. 1

[yessuz]

Originally Posted by Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!!

Memorable game in Vistalegre with great intensity and Real Madrid taking the basket average tie breaker from Montepachi in spectacular fahion. -Is Llull the "best point guard in Europe" yes or no?-.

Unicaja finally got a taste of their own medicine as Zalgiris exploded for 22 three pointers on 33 attempts. Next week it's going to be interesting because for Unicaja to be Unicaja they have to not only lose against Zalgiris but also to beat CSKA-see Unicajian performance fluctuation syndrome-. Wouldn't it be nice if Prokom finished first in this group?

It is remarkable that Barça eliminated PAO in OAKA in the same week they won the Copa del Rey in an outstanding effort. People overlook how difficult is to play consecutively at the highest level and Barça won four crucial battles in this short span. Clearly the win of the week.
Interesting Robbe theories about Panathinaikos saving efforts for "when it matters" proved drastically wrong.

Perasovic's Cibona undeservedly going winless in Top 16.

About consecutive playing in some levels.
Can you imagine, that Zalgiris Kaunas play in 4 different Leagues (EL, LKL, BBL, VTB) this season + Lithuanian Cup. Therefore, they are having 3-4 games per week whole season from the beginning.
Luckily, we got whole 3 days for practice before Unicaja game..

[maccabeo]

Originally Posted by Roy M

Real-Siena result is great to... Maccabi.

If MTA wins over Siena by 5 or more points, Maccabi will qualify to the next round.

In tie-breaks, Macc +3 over Pilsen and Real +1 over Siena and no away wins so far.

roy u forget the most probable option. all teams 3-3 and in this case the fact that siena will have last game at home withe efes where it will win for sure by at least 15 and the fact that we surely will loose in madrid more than 5 ,will give siena and real a better score. that's i think it will happen surely. said that, i have big regret because of our stupid loose in istambul with a so wweak efes

[Tap]

Originally Posted by Billy Bounce

Pao lost when Pekovic got his 5th foul for stupid moving screen, after that nobody could stop twin towers Vasques & Lorbek under the Pao rim

There is still an intrigue in group E after Pao is out : will Obradovic allow Partizan to go top8 or it would be Maroussi ?

Be sure that Pao will play these games and they ll not go to lose.i think that these intrigue stories dont have a basis at all coz no one coach(and specifically a coach like Obradovic)will say to his players "go to the court and lose the match".these are stories for us!And furthermore i dont know any player of Pao who ll not want to revenge Maroussi after this decisive defeat in the last round...Of course motivation plays an important role.so pao players probably next game will not leave their souls in order to win Partizan but this doesnt mean they will be dull.

[robbe]

Originally Posted by Captain CAAAVEMAAAAANNN!!

Interesting Robbe theories about Panathinaikos saving efforts for "when it matters" proved drastically wrong.

No, you don't understand. I wrote about making continuous progress throughout the season and not getting irritated by first round results, not "saving efforts". You problably don't know, but there are some guys on the forum that are pretty close to the team. His training system last season targeted the big games of the season, and everything that came across on the way, they tried to win of course, but if you are going up against a good team while doing training-camp-like practice, your chances are always going to be small. But if you manage to advance anyway, you'll be great shape for the big games.

That progress didn't happen this season at all for reasons that weren't really forseeable. I think Spanoulis and Saras in 2009 Quarter Final - Final Four form already make the difference between 0-4 and 3-1, in a system that relies so heavily on the pick and roll.

[CG]

unfortunately PAO is out but tosay the truth it was fair disqualification
even if PAO blew 3 of the 4 games in the end.
against Partizan was winning almost all the game and lost it in the end
with Marousi was leading the score almost all the game and again lost it
and against barca was leading in the majority of the game and with 10p some minutes before the end and then..lost it
since 9 contracts are ending its time for PAO coaching stuff to sit and rebuild a modern team.Not with many changes but with some but quality modern players.
2007 PAO took the cup with different team than 2009.and its time to retake it in the future with one new as history shows.
good luck to Barca,if one team deserve it this year is her.