Chinese Players leaving the CBA for other leagues? [Merged]

[CHINA TEAM]

Originally Posted by EverGreen

dude, what are you talking about?

Our CBA competitive power is not enough, cannot enable member's level to have the enhancement

[Phantim3dx]

about chinese players going out of the cba, would your government allow it though china team?

no offense or anything and you dont have to respond to it because of "monitoring" but im sure the ccp has a lot of influence or will use some influence on the decision of there basketball players.

although i wish they had more freedom though in choosing teams outside of the cba. yi def needs to go to europe before he goes tot he nba

chen, um he has lots of speed and energy, no physical toughness tohugh and i doubt his mental toughness.

[CHINA TEAM]

Originally Posted by Phantim3dx

about chinese players going out of the cba, would your government allow it though china team?

no offense or anything and you dont have to respond to it because of "monitoring" but im sure the ccp has a lot of influence or will use some influence on the decision of there basketball players.

although i wish they had more freedom though in choosing teams outside of the cba. yi def needs to go to europe before he goes tot he nba

chen, um he has lots of speed and energy, no physical toughness tohugh and i doubt his mental toughness.

The Chinese basketball administrative center is the only basketball management structure, is not the Chinese government, moreover our control section also is more tolerant than before

[sinobball]

Originally Posted by Phantim3dx

no offense or anything and you dont have to respond to it because of "monitoring" but im sure the ccp has a lot of influence or will use some influence on the decision of there basketball players.

LOL... "monitoring"... Yeah I'm sure we'll see China_Team being arrested for posting on interbasket! All the CCP officials, educated in English, watching the monitors 24/7 in online basketball forums! Yeah!

To answer the question, this week the head of the CBA Li Yuanwei said he has never forbid anyone leaving the CBA (the Aoshen team (with two NT players and NBA prospects in Sun Yue and Zhang SongTao) will play in the crappy American ABA for another year), but to quote him "there needs to be some foreign team willing to accept our players first!" I think he's being honest here. If there is pressure for stars not to leave, it's more likely from the individual clubs.

BTW, I read that Mengke Bateer (defending CBA MVP) is looking to play in Europe this year. We'll see if his agent will locate the right team for him.

[Phantim3dx]

hey no spin sino ball no spin..fox news!

[RetiredJordanStopper]

correct me if i'm wrong..but isn't it in the European Leagues, there's a quota on the number of non-european union players and non-local players per team..say for example in the ACB (Sapnish League), a team can only sign 2 american imports and an equal number of non-spanish european players....please, please, please correct me if this is not the rule.

[stuart]

From CNN/SI: link

Yao seeks changes in Chinese hoops
BEIJING (Reuters) -- Houston Rockets center Yao Ming believes more of his Chinese teammates need to gain experience abroad for the national team to be competitive at the 2008 Beijing Olympics, state media reported on Tuesday.

China finished a disappointing 11th at the world championships in Japan after being knocked out 95-64 by eventual runners-up Greece last week.

Yao, who averaged a tournament-high 25.3 points and virtually carried China into the second round, told state TV that several of his teammates should join more competitive leagues overseas.

"As the 2008 Olympics are drawing near, we should send abroad the likes of Yi Jianlian and Wang Shipeng as soon as possible in a bid to raise our level in the short term," the 7-foot-5 NBA All-Star center said.

"Even if our basketballers fail to play as regulars, we still could benefit at least from their training. I played as a substitute 10 minutes per game initially, too. It depends on your will and work."

Yao lamented his team mates' lack of strength and courage after China crashed out of the worlds, and remarked in media reports last week that Chinese basketball was too inward-looking.

But he conceded it was "impossible" for domestic clubs hungry for national success to send key players to foreign leagues, Xinhua news agency reported.

China's basketball officials, concerned that foreign careers might interrupt national duty, have also been reluctant to allow young talent to seek their fortunes in overseas leagues.

Yi Jianlian, touted as China's next Yao Ming and courted by several NBA clubs, declined to enter this year's NBA draft after China Basketball Association (CBA) Director Li Yuanwei voiced concerns about young Chinese players warming benches in the NBA.

Menk Bateer and Wang Zhizhi, the other two towers in China's NBA "Great Wall," were characterized by regular transfers and little game time.
His NBA aspirations clashed with China duties, leading to his sacking after failing to join the national team during the Asian Games in 2002. Wang returned to China earlier this year.

Wang and the rest of Yao's teammates will return to domestic league clubs for the kickoff of the CBA 2006-07 season in October, before being called up for November's Asian Games.

Yao has been exempted from the Asian Games, Xinhua reported.

[sinobball]

He said 3-4 teams are interested, either in Spainish ACB or Italy Lega. Any ideas? He'll be the first player from China to play in major European league I think. Lots of people diss him cuz he always sits on the bench in the NBA. But how many players actually get to sit on the bench for 3 seasons? He's still pretty good, great passer, good bulk, just slow and sometimes shoots too many 3's...

In the 2005-06 CBA season Bateer averaged 25.6p (5th in league) 12.4r (3rd in league) and 4.6a (5th in league) against bigs that are almost exclusively Americans. His Beijing Ducks, which was the 3rd worst team in 2003-04 season without him, won the CBA nothern division last season.

[stuart]

That's fantastic news, I think it's about time that Chinese players try their hand at some European leagues to further their experience and develop their skills. He definitely won't be putting up such gaudy numbers, hopefully he can get some minutes in the ACB (or elsewhere) and contribute. I certainly think Bateer can be valuable, even a core player for a Euro team.

Stuart

[YM4Ever]

Originally Posted by sinobball

He said 3-4 teams are interested, either in Spainish ACB or Italy Lega. Any ideas? He'll be the first player from China to play in major European league I think. Lots of people diss him cuz he always sits on the bench in the NBA. But how many players actually get to sit on the bench for 3 seasons? He's still pretty good, great passer, good bulk, just slow and sometimes shoots too many 3's...

In the 2005-06 CBA season Bateer averaged 25.6p (5th in league) 12.4r (3rd in league) and 4.6a (5th in league) against bigs that are almost exclusively Americans. His Beijing Ducks, which was the 3rd worst team in 2003-04 season without him, won the CBA nothern division last season.

Too bad Bateer isn't Yi Jianlian, or Sun Yue, or Chen Jianghua.

[stuart]

Originally Posted by YM4Ever

Too bad Bateer isn't Yi Jianlian, or Sun Yue, or Chen Jianghua.

It's connected. If Bateer is successful, I think the chances that those players could follow are higher.

Stuart

[Neozyrus]

In ACB there are some teams searching for quality tall men ( if they have good long distance shoot skills obviously better), Unicaja and Real Madrid are among them, so who knows... it would depend on how much money will he ask for.

[yaofan]

Originally Posted by Neozyrus

In ACB there are some teams searching for quality tall men ( if they have good long distance shoot skills obviously better), Unicaja and Real Madrid are among them, so who knows... it would depend on how much money will he ask for.

Bateer is not the typical big man in Euro...he does not move well on the perimeter at all. And he does not have a reliable 3 pt shot. However, he is much stronger than just about any Euro big man and is a good passer from the post.

[sinobball]

Originally Posted by sinobball

He said 3-4 teams are interested, either in Spainish ACB or Italy Lega.

A new interview revealed that another Russian club is also in the race. Bateer says he'll make the decision this week in which he'll be in the US for a re-check on his foot surgery performed this summer; and then fly to Europe on October 1.

[rikhardur]

Could he become the first Chinese to play in Europe? I don't recall any Chinese playing here, at least at a top level.

[sinobball]

According to his agent, Bateer won't play in Europe until at least December when the American doctors will give him a definite diagnosis about the progress of his knee, which underwent surgeries this summer. His agent noted that many European teams change imports around that time. I personally think it's just an excuse on his part of failing to reach a deal at this time.

In any case, Bateer is recovering/training in Houston with his family.

[alermac]

I think Yao is right. No national team can expect to reach a medal if its players aren't playing in high-level leagues. I understand that admitting this would be a hard hit for the Chinese League (and government) pride, but it's a reality. You have to let you top players play outside China.

And letting them leave for the NBA isn't enough, because no country can produce 10 or 12 NBA players by itself. But, if they let them play in Europe, well... it's some sort of intermediate step that can be very useful. And I think there would be many European teams willing to give some Chinese players an opportunity to play as foreigners.

Look what happened to Argentina: It only climbed to the top when its best players began playing in Europe, fighting and training toe-to-toe with the best every day. We have a good league, but that isn't enough if you want to win a medal.

[sinobball]

Originally Posted by alermac

I think Yao is right. No national team can expect to reach a medal if its players aren't playing in high-level leagues. I understand that admitting this would be a hard hit for the Chinese League (and government) pride, but it's a reality. You have to let you top players play outside China.

And letting them leave for the NBA isn't enough, because no country can produce 10 or 12 NBA players by itself. But, if they let them play in Europe, well... it's some sort of intermediate step that can be very useful. And I think there would be many European teams willing to give some Chinese players an opportunity to play as foreigners.

Look what happened to Argentina: It only climbed to the top when its best players began playing in Europe, fighting and training toe-to-toe with the best every day. We have a good league, but that isn't enough if you want to win a medal.

If I'm not mistaken, due to obvious ethnic lineage, Argentinians get Italian/Spanish passports far easier than Asians.

The question is not about "letting them play in Europe." It's "Will Europe accept them?"

European leagues are very protective of its players, and Asians thus can only count as imports and compete with Americans if they want to play there.

I think the best destination for Chinese players is Australia, which is not as protective and even reached out to China for players. In fact I heard Singapore Slingers will recruit players from China next year.

[Czarkazem13]

Originally Posted by sinobball

If I'm not mistaken, due to obvious ethnic lineage, Argentinians get Italian/Spanish passports far easier than Asians.

The question is not about "letting them play in Europe." It's "Will Europe accept them?"

European leagues are very protective of its players, and Asians thus can only count as imports and compete with Americans if they want to play there.

I think the best destination for Chinese players is Australia, which is not as protective and even reached out to China for players. In fact I heard Singapore Slingers will recruit players from China next year.

Very solid points.

[alermac]

Originally Posted by sinobball

If I'm not mistaken, due to obvious ethnic lineage, Argentinians get Italian/Spanish passports far easier than Asians.

The question is not about "letting them play in Europe." It's "Will Europe accept them?"

European leagues are very protective of its players, and Asians thus can only count as imports and compete with Americans if they want to play there.

I think the best destination for Chinese players is Australia, which is not as protective and even reached out to China for players. In fact I heard Singapore Slingers will recruit players from China next year.

Obviously Argentinean players have an easier access to European leagues. But I think there would be several European clubs (not top Euroleague teams, of course) willing to give some of the Chinese NT players like Jianlan Yi, Wang Zhizhi or others a chance. Specially if these are players with NBA experience or sure draft picks.