Against NLB League

[tramposo]

This is a fact: As Serbia, we've won most medals ever since the dissolution of Yugoslav basketball. We are the first team who kicked out the mighty USA team from the playoffs, at their own turf. Ever since, we have also opened the gateway to NBA for other European players. When you look at "Yugoslavia" from 1990-2003, you will see that more than 90% of the national team is Serbian.

Sure, we've had our own league together with ONE team from Montenegro, (Buducnost Podgorica), but the rest of the league was 99% Serbian.
Serbia is the direct descendant of Yugoslavia, and all the trophies and medals Yugoslavia has won reside in Belgrade. So please do not tell us how we've never won anything ever since Serbia became "independent".

We do not need NLB league, the only ones who are getting anything from that league are Slovenians and Croatians. This would all be ok, but there is one big problem - both countries are disrespecting us, and treating us like we are nobodies even though we are the only country from Ex-YU who still produces NBA players, and the only country which has a team capable of competing together with the rest of Europe, as well as the only country who is winning medals at major competitions.

What have other teams gained from NLB? Croatian Cibona is in debts, Olimpija as well, and one of our Serbian teams that plays in the Eternal Derby, Red Star is in debt 12 million. Partizan is also losing money in this competition, maybe not as much as the other teams (in fact, much less), but still losing money.

Furthermore, all countries which are competing in the NLB are still displaying nationalistic, and unsportsmanlike behaviour (Serbian and Croatian teams are just not meant to be in the same league, at least for now not yet). Unified basketball league in the countries of former Yugoslavia is still an Utopian dream, no one has reconciled, and the tensions from the last war are still high. I am tired of hearing the Croatian fans shouting "Srbe na Vrbe", and Serbian fans with "Догодине у Книну" banners. As well as other fans shouting "Kosovo, Kosovo" whenever a Serbian team is playing abroad.

p.s. let's all hope for a happy 9th of May. За дан победе!

[rikhardur]

So I suppose you'll not celebrate if Partizan wins the Adriatic League right?
Stay away from politics if you please.

[Srle]

If its not for Adriatic League your team would have never passed group phase of Euroleague. Before Partizan joined to NLB their record in Euroleague was horrendous . Partizan did benefit a lot from that competition. Saying that I agree I would like to see strong Serbian league but that's impossible right now . Other clubs in Serbian league are too poor and they have been neglected for years. Somebody have to invest in them. Even Partizan and Zvezda are in very poor condition but they have big following in the country so they draw money from government and sponsors . Only two financially stable clubs in Serbia are Hemofarm and FMP and their financial situation is not that rosy either.

[pohani komarac]

Originally Posted by tramposo

This is a fact: As Serbia, we've won most medals ever since the dissolution of Yugoslav basketball. We are the first team who kicked out the mighty USA team from the playoffs, at their own turf. Ever since, we have also opened the gateway to NBA for other European players. When you look at "Yugoslavia" from 1990-2003, you will see that more than 90% of the national team is Serbian.

Sure, we've had our own league together with ONE team from Montenegro, (Buducnost Podgorica), but the rest of the league was 99% Serbian.
Serbia is the direct descendant of Yugoslavia, and all the trophies and medals Yugoslavia has won reside in Belgrade. So please do not tell us how we've never won anything ever since Serbia became "independent".

We do not need NLB league, the only ones who are getting anything from that league are Slovenians and Croatians. This would all be ok, but there is one big problem - both countries are disrespecting us, and treating us like we are nobodies even though we are the only country from Ex-YU who still produces NBA players, and the only country which has a team capable of competing together with the rest of Europe, as well as the only country who is winning medals at major competitions.

What have other teams gained from NLB? Croatian Cibona is in debts, Olimpija as well, and one of our Serbian teams that plays in the Eternal Derby, Red Star is in debt 12 million. Partizan is also losing money in this competition, maybe not as much as the other teams (in fact, much less), but still losing money.

Furthermore, all countries which are competing in the NLB are still displaying nationalistic, and unsportsmanlike behaviour (Serbian and Croatian teams are just not meant to be in the same league, at least for now not yet). Unified basketball league in the countries of former Yugoslavia is still an Utopian dream, no one has reconciled, and the tensions from the last war are still high. I am tired of hearing the Croatian fans shouting "Srbe na Vrbe", and Serbian fans with "Догодине у Книну" banners. As well as other fans shouting "Kosovo, Kosovo" whenever a Serbian team is playing abroad.

p.s. let's all hope for a happy 9th of May. За дан победе!

from all sports basketball has most normall beheavior of all....and you didn't put this "Догодине у Книну" by acident, you could put lot of difrent exsamples. this wasn't there in any game vs. croatian clubs, this was shouted in series vs. maccabi..and is not that all teams got this tretmant are where ever....in zagreb or in split football fans don't go on games for years whille in zadar only zvezda and partizan get this type of treatment...hemofarm this year got standing ovation after they beat zadar in visnjik

and teams are not in debt because nlb league....they are in debt because they are full of courupcy, ucapeble leaders who are used on old comunistic system...etc

[Cry$tal]

Now it's too late to discuss if NLB league is right for Serbian teams or not. That decision was supposed to be made before the agreement was created with the league board.

The only sure thing is that many smaller basketball epicenters in Serbia will "die off" due to the lack of playing against bigger Serbian teams (who can only meet with them in the final stage of a domestic league, if the minnows even get there), which results in less talents produced and interest created in those areas, even though it's known there is a lot of potential in the entire nation for this sport. So basically it's a double-edged sword.

Would definitely say Croatian/Slovenian/Bosnian clubs (not to mention Buducnost from Montenegro, which almost has got no domestic league at all) benefited a lot more than Serbian clubs and basketball did from this league as they were the ones who needed better promotion for this sport in their countries, while the competition they're getting now can only make them better.

[albiongate]

Originally Posted by Cry$tal

Now it's too late to discuss if NLB league is right for Serbian teams or not. That decision was supposed to be made before the agreement was created with the league board.

It's never too late. Better late than never.

[prtzn]

Originally Posted by albiongate

It's never too late. Better late than never.

I don't like NLB, but I think that a regional league is a good idea. But some kind that would have it's 2nd league etc..., and where clubs can't buy their spot in the league...
I think we should try to end NLB, but IMO, it would be better to do it in coordination with the basketball associations of all the participating countries. The best thing for the NLB haters would be if Zvezda doesn't finish in top 4 in Superliga. Kapicic & co would then try to do everything to stop Serbia from playing NLB...
(But, personally, I would like Zvezda to reach the playoffs more than I would like NLB to die...)

[pohani komarac]

Dusko Vujosevic

"Dolaskom u Zagreb sjetio sam se stare jugoslavenske lige, koja je svojedobno bila najjača liga nakon NBA. NLB je jedina nasljednica te lige, koja nam pruža puno više kvalitetnijih utakmica nego što bi mogla ponuditi bilo koja pojedinačna liga. I to je jedan od razloga ovih odličnih rezultata u Euroligi nas i Cibone."

[Next time translation or summary in English PK. rikhardur]

[pohani komarac]

Originally Posted by prtzn

I don't like NLB, but I think that a regional league is a good idea. But some kind that would have it's 2nd league etc..., and where clubs can't buy their spot in the league...
I think we should try to end NLB, but IMO, it would be better to do it in coordination with the basketball associations of all the participating countries. The best thing for the NLB haters would be if Zvezda doesn't finish in top 4 in Superliga. Kapicic & co would then try to do everything to stop Serbia from playing NLB...
(But, personally, I would like Zvezda to reach the playoffs more than I would like NLB to die...)

wasn't them first one to enter from Serbian clubs?

[Srle]

Red Star will be in NLB no matter how the club finishes in domestic league. That's the club with the biggest attendance in the league

[prtzn]

Originally Posted by pohani komarac

wasn't them first one to enter from Serbian clubs?

Of course, but the reason they entered the competition in the first place, was to pursue their club interests...

If the league doesn't bring them anything to gain anymore (that is, if they aren't allowed to compete), I would expect Zvezda-lovers in KSS to try and lobby for all Serbian clubs to stop playing NLB.

There are altruistic and selfish reasons for being against NLB, so if anyone is to lobby against it he could always present himself as the protector of Serbian basketball or something...

@Srle,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that NLB has any wild cards available for Serbian teams... (although, NLB is rather good at lateral thinking if it needs something to be done)

Anyway, it's to early to discuss this. Plus, for the moment, Zvezda is in maybe the best position in Superliga, it only has one loss, and by a team that isn't a rival for the playoffs. (But, on the other hand, Zvezda still has to face Partizan, Hemofarm & Radnicki...)

[rikhardur]

Vujošević: NLB League helps us to be better

Partizan became the European story of success in recent two years. Especially this year, when the team succeeded to qualify for the Euroleague's Final Four Tournament in Paris, which was a unique sensation, while in the NLB League Partizan chases its fourth trophy in a row. Its coach Duško Vujošević claims that a lot of credit for the team's success goes to the NLB League and its quality…

http://www.adriaticbasket.info/w2/f4...ws.php?id=4188

[prtzn]

NLB has a lot of upsides, but any league with the best of ex-Yu teams would have those upsides.

In general, when you don't want to use something anymore because of it's many flaws, you have to be sure that you don't replace it until you have an adequate replacement...
That goes to NLB as well...

NLB currently doesn't have an alternative, but the basketball associations of ex-Yu countries should try and create some alternative.
Because, at the moment, there are a lot of not very regular things going on in the league.
I certainly hope that Nymburk won't take advantage of it's position in the league. They have payed for their participation, and now they are in the league where they don't have to worry about their score (they don't win or lose anything by being 1st or last in the league). They could sell games to the highest bidder, only if they are unfair enough to do it...

[Led00]

Originally Posted by prtzn

NLB currently doesn't have an alternative, but the basketball associations of ex-Yu countries should try and create some alternative.
Because, at the moment, there are a lot of not very regular things going on in the league.

This league needs more time and it will become the second best league in the Europe. Agree that there is still much to be done, but I have a good feeling about it. And i love the idea of the second league of NLB, that would be great for all countries.

P.S. Nice signature

[pohani komarac]

Originally Posted by rikhardur

http://www.adriaticbasket.info/w2/f4...ws.php?id=4188

there is your translation rik