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uhg80 · 06-14-2009, 05:32 AM

Tomic scored 32 back then. I looked it up.

I think most german fans agree with you on the foreigner thing. Because of the huge number of rather cheap college graduates from the US, the style of the league has become that of a US development league with the emphasis on athletism and one-on-one play, a style that doesn't sit too well with at least the IBN branch of german bball supporters (that's also why I'm rooting for Oldenburg in the finals, sorry robbe). The leagues started a plan to increase the number of german players on a BBL roster to 4 next season, though. There's been some debate among fans recently if the BBL should go for a 6+6 or a 4+1 ruling (meaning that one german player has to be on the field all the time) in the next few years. A nationwide U19 league (NBBL) has also been established 3 years ago to increse the level of competition the youngsters face, and a U17 league (JBBL) will tip off next year. Hence, some steps in the right direction has been made, but it will take some time to make up for the total lack of youth development that had been going on for 10 years. Until then I'm crossing my fingers for the 89 generation. There's some quality talent there.

Someone wants to praise me for how I elegantly changed the topic back from "The past of the german NT" to "The future of the german NT" again?

Gruebler · 06-22-2009, 09:43 AM

In an interview published today in Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung NT-coach Bauermann said that the majority of this summer's NT might consist of players who played in the German second division. This is due to the fact, that there are only few German players in the BBL who get decent minutes.

fasoulaki · 06-22-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gruebler

In an interview published today in Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung NT-coach Bauermann said that the majority of this summer's NT might consist of players who played in the German second division. This is due to the fact, that there are only few German players in the BBL who get decent minutes.

I guess the inverview has been published only in the print-edition because I cannot find any article online.

uhg80 · 06-22-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fasoulaki

I guess the inverview has been published only in the print-edition because I cannot find any article online.

Yes, print edition only, unless you're a subscriber or want two spend 2€ to read it.

Mithat Demirel and Robert Garrett both retired from the NT now. Furthermore, Demond Green won't play in Poland either. He'll take the summer off to spend more time with his family.

rikhardur · 06-22-2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gruebler

In an interview published today in Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung NT-coach Bauermann said that the majority of this summer's NT might consist of players who played in the German second division. This is due to the fact, that there are only few German players in the BBL who get decent minutes.

I think that sends out a pretty strong message to German clubs.

Gruebler · 06-22-2009, 06:05 PM

@rikhardur

You sound as if you're still believing... something most German fans certainly gave up.

There are some clubs who are in favour of following ACB or the Turkish league and imposing a higher quota for German players. But as far as I count heads they still are the minority. Especially the smaller clubs just don't want to part with their way of signing a bunch of 2000-$-US-Rookies and hope for some glory or at least a glimpse at the playoffs. A lot might depend on which teams will have voting rights in the next general assembly.

Take a look at the finalist Oldenburg: A budget easily within the top five of the league. And just 10 minutes for German players in 10 playoff games. That's an average of 1 minute per game.

There's some more vage information about how the next NT might look. Bauermann will announce the roster later this week.

Cornerstones are: Jagla (Joventud), Schultze (Larissa), Hamann (ALBA)
Probable players are the others who were in the (extended) roster last year: Wysocki (Frankfurt), Herber (ALBA), Zwiener (ALBA), Ohlbrecht (Bamberg), Geib (Düsseldorf), Idbihi (Limoges)

In another Interview Bauermann said that Johannes Strasser (Bonn) will be invited to the NT camps.

Youngsters who might get an invitation are:
Johannes Lischka (1987, SF/PF)
Karsten Tadda (1988 SG)
Tibor Pleiss (1989 C)
Elias Harris (1989 F)
Nicolai Simon (1987 PG)
Per Günther (1988 PG)

This generation of U22 players is highly regarded by coach Bauermann. Some (Lischka, Günther, Pleiss) got some minutes in Bundesliga this season. Simon played UlebCup two years ago with ALBA but was sidelined for a long time.

Another player who might be in the NT is Guard Lucca Staiger (Iowa State) who told in an interview that he'll spend the summer with the NT and currently takes part in the A2/U24-camp.

Edit: @CWILL Sorry, Ohlbrecht in Frankfurt that's a typo and b***s**t.

CWILL · 06-22-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gruebler

Ohlbrecht (Frankfurt)

Wow, was that just a mistake in writing?
Or you know something about that???

I just imagined Ohlbrecht joining Frankfurt.
If you face Didin's legendary "high expectations" (or others call it problems) with Centers, I think Ohlbrecht would clearly have a tough time.

uhg80 · 06-23-2009, 12:03 AM

Bauermann on the proposed 6+6 rule: "It won't work to find 6 Germans with enough quality for each of the 18 teams. There are simply not enough." He supports a model that requires one german player to be on the court at every time (4+1). 6+4 could be an alternative.

Crossover-Online (in German)

EugeneUkraine · 06-25-2009, 07:20 PM

Guys from Germany. Now your country hosts tournament Basketball Nationen Cup. Where i can find results and full statistics? Thank you.

Mindozas · 06-25-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EugeneUkraine

Guys from Germany. Now your country hosts tournament Basketball Nationen Cup. Where i can find results and full statistics? Thank you.

Official page and results here . maybe later they'll add stats too

Edit: here is stats

EugeneUkraine · 06-25-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindozas

Official page and results here . maybe later they'll add stats too

Edit: here is stats

i'm looking for any info from game Brasil - Ukraine (((

Mindozas · 06-25-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EugeneUkraine

i'm looking for any info from game Brasil - Ukraine (((

Brasil won 75:70

jMy · 06-26-2009, 09:58 AM

There are stats for every game. So there must also be some from ukraine vs brazil.

CWILL · 07-02-2009, 07:28 AM

It is still not sure wheather Nowitzki or/and Kamann will play for Germany in the european championship.

Meanwhile Dirk Bauermann invited these players for training camp:

Dominik Bahiense de Mello (Deutsche Bank Skyliners)
Robin Benzing (TV 1862 Langen)
Bastian Doreth (Franken Hexer/Brose Baskets Bamberg)
Gordon Geib (Giants Düsseldorf)
Per Günther (ratiopharm Ulm)
Steffen Hamann (ALBA Berlin)
Elias Harris (Gonzaga University/USA./BiS Baskets Speyer)
Johannes Herber (ALBA Berlin)
Yassin Idbihi (CSP Limoges/FRA)
Jan-Hendrik Jagla (DKV Joventut Badalona/ESP)
Johannes Lischka (Lti Gießen 46ers / Lti Lich)
Tim Ohlbrecht (Brose Baskets Bamberg)
Ademola Okulaja (no team)
Tibor Pleiß (Köln 99ers)
Heiko Schaffartzik (New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig)
Sven Schultze (Olympia Larissa/GRE, Junior Casale Monferrato/ITA)
Philipp Schwethelm (Köln 99ers)
Lucca Staiger (Iowa State University/USA)
Konrad Wysocki (Deutsche Bank Skyliners)
Maik Zirbes (TBB Trier)
Philip Zwiener (ALBA Berlin)

Gruebler · 08-11-2009, 07:49 AM

The first cuts were made, the first players are injured (Herber: torn ACL; Greene: mildly sprained ankle).

The 15-men roster for the friendly games against Serbia looks as follows:

Steffen Hamann / Heiko Schaffartzik / Per Günther
Demond Greene / Lucca Staiger
Konrad Wysocki / Philip Zwiener / Robin Benzing
Jan Jagla / Sven Schultze / Johannes Lischka / Elias Harris
Tim Ohlbrecht / Yassin Idbihi / Tibor Pleiss

Slam · 08-14-2009, 05:10 PM

It looks like Dirk won't be playing in Poland next month at the world championships because the Mavs don't want him to.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/...ory?id=4398590

The Mavericks are a very old team and they only have 1 or 2 more years to make a championship run so they want Nowitzki to be a fresh as possible for the NBA season. This is too bad for Germany, country should come first over anything.

DanMajerle · 08-15-2009, 07:13 PM

Germany wins the preparation game vs Serbia 74-53.

Lucca Staiger (Iowa State University/USA, 4), Heiko Schaffartzik (New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig, 13), Sven Schultze (ohne Verein, 3), Konrad Wysocki (ohne Verein, 6), Philip Zwiener (ALBA Berlin), Steffen Hamann (ALBA Berlin, 6), Demond Greene (ohne Verein, 8), Per Günther (ratiopharm Ulm), Yassin Idbihi (CSP Limoges/FRA, 9), Johannes Lischka (Lti Gießen 46ers, 1), Jan-Hendrik Jagla (ohne Verein, 9), Tibor Pleiß (ohne Verein, 2), Tim Ohlbrecht (ohne Verein, 4), Robin Benzing (ratiopharm Ulm, 8), Elias Harris (Gonzaga University/USA/BiS Baskets Speyer, 2).

Krstic 15, Teodosic 10 for Serbia.

rod · 08-16-2009, 02:11 PM

Here you can see some game scenes and the following press conference of the game Germany versus Serbia.

turk-jugoslav · 08-28-2009, 11:43 AM

İ was watchİng turkey-germany basketball match last nİght and İ lİked rober benzİng.hİs pyschİaly sİtuatİons not good at all but hİs fundemantal skİlls seems pretty good,dude

CWILL · 09-06-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by turk-jugoslav

İ was watchİng turkey-germany basketball match last nİght and İ lİked rober benzİng.hİs pyschİaly sİtuatİons not good at all but hİs fundemantal skİlls seems pretty good,dude

Robin Benzing was practicing with the Skyliners all season long, but head coach Murat Didin did not think very good about him.
So Benzing signed with BBL club ratiopharm Ulm for the next season.
As you mentioned his fundamentals are very good for a player of his age and size. It will be interesting to see how competitive he will be in a americanzied BBL.

Btw: I wrote a report about the german national team on my site German Hoops.

06-14-2009, 05:32 AM	#61
uhg80 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Schwabylon Posts: 280 Country:	Tomic scored 32 back then. I looked it up. I think most german fans agree with you on the foreigner thing. Because of the huge number of rather cheap college graduates from the US, the style of the league has become that of a US development league with the emphasis on athletism and one-on-one play, a style that doesn't sit too well with at least the IBN branch of german bball supporters (that's also why I'm rooting for Oldenburg in the finals, sorry robbe). The leagues started a plan to increase the number of german players on a BBL roster to 4 next season, though. There's been some debate among fans recently if the BBL should go for a 6+6 or a 4+1 ruling (meaning that one german player has to be on the field all the time) in the next few years. A nationwide U19 league (NBBL) has also been established 3 years ago to increse the level of competition the youngsters face, and a U17 league (JBBL) will tip off next year. Hence, some steps in the right direction has been made, but it will take some time to make up for the total lack of youth development that had been going on for 10 years. Until then I'm crossing my fingers for the 89 generation. There's some quality talent there. Someone wants to praise me for how I elegantly changed the topic back from "The past of the german NT" to "The future of the german NT" again? __________________ Only Boris can judge me. Last edited by uhg80; 06-14-2009 at 05:40 AM..

06-22-2009, 06:05 PM	#66
Gruebler Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 268 Country:	@rikhardur You sound as if you're still believing... something most German fans certainly gave up. There are some clubs who are in favour of following ACB or the Turkish league and imposing a higher quota for German players. But as far as I count heads they still are the minority. Especially the smaller clubs just don't want to part with their way of signing a bunch of 2000-$-US-Rookies and hope for some glory or at least a glimpse at the playoffs. A lot might depend on which teams will have voting rights in the next general assembly. Take a look at the finalist Oldenburg: A budget easily within the top five of the league. And just 10 minutes for German players in 10 playoff games. That's an average of 1 minute per game. There's some more vage information about how the next NT might look. Bauermann will announce the roster later this week. Cornerstones are: Jagla (Joventud), Schultze (Larissa), Hamann (ALBA) Probable players are the others who were in the (extended) roster last year: Wysocki (Frankfurt), Herber (ALBA), Zwiener (ALBA), Ohlbrecht (Bamberg), Geib (Düsseldorf), Idbihi (Limoges) In another Interview Bauermann said that Johannes Strasser (Bonn) will be invited to the NT camps. Youngsters who might get an invitation are: Johannes Lischka (1987, SF/PF) Karsten Tadda (1988 SG) Tibor Pleiss (1989 C) Elias Harris (1989 F) Nicolai Simon (1987 PG) Per Günther (1988 PG) This generation of U22 players is highly regarded by coach Bauermann. Some (Lischka, Günther, Pleiss) got some minutes in Bundesliga this season. Simon played UlebCup two years ago with ALBA but was sidelined for a long time. Another player who might be in the NT is Guard Lucca Staiger (Iowa State) who told in an interview that he'll spend the summer with the NT and currently takes part in the A2/U24-camp. Edit: @CWILL Sorry, Ohlbrecht in Frankfurt that's a typo and b*st. Last edited by Gruebler; 06-22-2009 at 08:04 PM..

06-23-2009, 12:03 AM	#68
uhg80 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Schwabylon Posts: 280 Country:	Bauermann on the proposed 6+6 rule: "It won't work to find 6 Germans with enough quality for each of the 18 teams. There are simply not enough." He supports a model that requires one german player to be on the court at every time (4+1). 6+4 could be an alternative. Crossover-Online (in German) __________________ Only Boris can judge me.

08-14-2009, 05:10 PM	#76
Slam Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Syracuse, New York Posts: 115 Country:	No Nowitzki It looks like Dirk won't be playing in Poland next month at the world championships because the Mavs don't want him to. http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/...ory?id=4398590 The Mavericks are a very old team and they only have 1 or 2 more years to make a championship run so they want Nowitzki to be a fresh as possible for the NBA season. This is too bad for Germany, country should come first over anything. __________________ -Slam Euroleague Adventures Twitter: Euro_Adventures

08-15-2009, 07:13 PM	#77
DanMajerle Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 852	Germany wins the preparation game vs Serbia 74-53. Lucca Staiger (Iowa State University/USA, 4), Heiko Schaffartzik (New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig, 13), Sven Schultze (ohne Verein, 3), Konrad Wysocki (ohne Verein, 6), Philip Zwiener (ALBA Berlin), Steffen Hamann (ALBA Berlin, 6), Demond Greene (ohne Verein, 8), Per Günther (ratiopharm Ulm), Yassin Idbihi (CSP Limoges/FRA, 9), Johannes Lischka (Lti Gießen 46ers, 1), Jan-Hendrik Jagla (ohne Verein, 9), Tibor Pleiß (ohne Verein, 2), Tim Ohlbrecht (ohne Verein, 4), Robin Benzing (ratiopharm Ulm, 8), Elias Harris (Gonzaga University/USA/BiS Baskets Speyer, 2). Krstic 15, Teodosic 10 for Serbia. __________________ "It's not about four guys working to get one player open and give the ball to him."- Ettore Messina Sanchez, Ginobili, Basile, Kukoc, Sabonis Last edited by DanMajerle; 08-15-2009 at 07:34 PM..

06-22-2009, 09:43 AM	#62
Gruebler Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 268 Country:	In an interview published today in Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung NT-coach Bauermann said that the majority of this summer's NT might consist of players who played in the German second division. This is due to the fact, that there are only few German players in the BBL who get decent minutes.

06-25-2009, 07:20 PM	#69
EugeneUkraine Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 445 Country:	Guys from Germany. Now your country hosts tournament Basketball Nationen Cup. Where i can find results and full statistics? Thank you.

06-26-2009, 09:58 AM	#73
jMy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Country:	There are stats for every game. So there must also be some from ukraine vs brazil.

07-02-2009, 07:28 AM	#74
CWILL Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 219 Country:	It is still not sure wheather Nowitzki or/and Kamann will play for Germany in the european championship. Meanwhile Dirk Bauermann invited these players for training camp: Dominik Bahiense de Mello (Deutsche Bank Skyliners) Robin Benzing (TV 1862 Langen) Bastian Doreth (Franken Hexer/Brose Baskets Bamberg) Gordon Geib (Giants Düsseldorf) Per Günther (ratiopharm Ulm) Steffen Hamann (ALBA Berlin) Elias Harris (Gonzaga University/USA./BiS Baskets Speyer) Johannes Herber (ALBA Berlin) Yassin Idbihi (CSP Limoges/FRA) Jan-Hendrik Jagla (DKV Joventut Badalona/ESP) Johannes Lischka (Lti Gießen 46ers / Lti Lich) Tim Ohlbrecht (Brose Baskets Bamberg) Ademola Okulaja (no team) Tibor Pleiß (Köln 99ers) Heiko Schaffartzik (New Yorker Phantoms Braunschweig) Sven Schultze (Olympia Larissa/GRE, Junior Casale Monferrato/ITA) Philipp Schwethelm (Köln 99ers) Lucca Staiger (Iowa State University/USA) Konrad Wysocki (Deutsche Bank Skyliners) Maik Zirbes (TBB Trier) Philip Zwiener (ALBA Berlin)

08-11-2009, 07:49 AM	#75
Gruebler Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 268 Country:	The first cuts were made, the first players are injured (Herber: torn ACL; Greene: mildly sprained ankle). The 15-men roster for the friendly games against Serbia looks as follows: Steffen Hamann / Heiko Schaffartzik / Per Günther Demond Greene / Lucca Staiger Konrad Wysocki / Philip Zwiener / Robin Benzing Jan Jagla / Sven Schultze / Johannes Lischka / Elias Harris Tim Ohlbrecht / Yassin Idbihi / Tibor Pleiss

08-16-2009, 02:11 PM	#78
rod Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Nice, FR Posts: 33 Country:	Here you can see some game scenes and the following press conference of the game Germany versus Serbia. __________________ Basketball videos Last edited by rod; 08-16-2009 at 02:34 PM..

08-28-2009, 11:43 AM	#79
turk-jugoslav Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: istanbul Posts: 23 Country:	Benzİng İ was watchİng turkey-germany basketball match last nİght and İ lİked rober benzİng.hİs pyschİaly sİtuatİons not good at all but hİs fundemantal skİlls seems pretty good,dude

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