Basketball Brawl: Italy-Canada - InterBasket - International Basketball & Euroleague Forum

stuart · 08-03-2009, 03:45 PM

The senior national teams from Italy and Canada participated in a preparation game Saturday night that ended in a brawl between the two teams.

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Physical play between Italy’s Stefano Mancinelli and Canada’s Aaron Doornekamp at the end of the game prompted the fight between the two teams. After being pushed, Mancinelli delivers an elbow to the back of the Doornekamp’s head...

Belinelli and Andrea Bargnani will suit up for the Toronto Raptors, Canada’s only NBA franchise, next season and are seen in the video trying to diffuse the situation between the two teams.

Italian team captain Matteo Soragna apologized on the Italy’s behalf after the game, “I am sorry that it happened. The team has responded as one and that is a positive, although we did not want the incident to happen.”

Phantim3dx · 08-03-2009, 04:26 PM

STUART U ARE THE MAN!!!!

although i feel bad this has happened, my blood lust has been at this moment fulfilled.

amazing

anyone else got info more about this about what happened, where, when, why, how, what, etc etc

Lewis · 08-03-2009, 05:15 PM

WOW, and I thought Italians played dirty only in Soccer

how naive I was

stuart · 08-03-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantim3dx

STUART U ARE THE MAN!!!!

although i feel bad this has happened, my blood lust has been at this moment fulfilled.

amazing

anyone else got info more about this about what happened, where, when, why, how, what, etc etc

http://www.interbasket.net/news/3143...ketball-brawl/

Stuart

donmar · 08-03-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lewis

WOW, and I thought Italians played dirty only in Soccer

how naive I was

hehehehe I thought that as well... I'm sure Zinadine Zidane was rooting for Canada that time...

Toxicity · 08-03-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lewis

WOW, and I thought Italians played dirty only in Soccer

how naive I was

Well, it was Canada to play dirty... Italy's Mancinelli simply reacted. So in this case Mancinelli is Zidane and the canadian is Materazzi...

jxuusa · 08-03-2009, 06:42 PM

That Canadian must have pulled a Matterazzi, but honestly didn't see too much of contact by the Canadian's elbow on the Italian player, and then to go after a guy after he's walking away from you, dirty.

Understand how the Canadian coach was losing his mind, anyone find a English version of the broadcast?

Toxicity · 08-03-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jxuusa

That Canadian must have pulled a Matterazzi, but honestly didn't see too much of contact by the Canadian's elbow on the Italian player, and then to go after a guy after he's walking away from you, dirty.

Understand how the Canadian coach was losing his mind, anyone find a English version of the broadcast?

Watch the whole game... that canadian played DIRTY all the game... he provocated some other italian players (Datome, Bargnani, Crosariol among others) during the game... Datome (a quite guy usually) was ready to hit him way before Mancinelli!!! The reaction by Stefano is crazy and he should be suspended some games but it came from something canadian guy did...

donmar · 08-03-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

Watch the whole game... that canadian played DIRTY all the game... he provocated some other italian players (Datome, Bargnani, Crosariol among others) during the game... Datome (a quite guy usually) was ready to hit him way before Mancinelli!!! The reaction by Stefano is crazy and he should be suspended some games but it came from something canadian guy did...

I guess Mancinelli was provoked.. anyone would have done the same thing... the Canadian guy is asking for it...

rikhardur · 08-03-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by donmar

I guess Mancinelli was provoked.. anyone would have done the same thing... the Canadian guy is asking for it...

May be true, but as I wrote in the Italy section, Mancinelli cowardly elbows the Canadian from behind and punches and kicks him on the floor, that's miserable. He won't get punished will he?

jxuusa · 08-03-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

Watch the whole game... that canadian played DIRTY all the game... he provocated some other italian players (Datome, Bargnani, Crosariol among others) during the game... Datome (a quite guy usually) was ready to hit him way before Mancinelli!!! The reaction by Stefano is crazy and he should be suspended some games but it came from something canadian guy did...

Well obviously all we had for reference was that clip above, so it's all I had to judge from. Regardless even if the Canadians played dirty, snapping and ramming your elbow into the back of a guy's head isn't smart no matter what. It'll reflect bad on you and your nation, as well as the opponents as well. What did the referee do if and when the Canadians were playing dirty, did he let it go, which infuriated your players even more until that breaking point.

Seems to be high tempers everywhere, with that Iran-Jordan match just recently in the Jones Cup.

donmar · 08-03-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rikhardur

May be true, but as I wrote in the Italy section, Mancinelli cowardly elbows the Canadian from behind and punches and kicks him on the floor, that's miserable. He won't get punished will he?

In that case, he should be punish despite the guy provoked him to.. Zidane was punish for headbutting Matterazzi because the latter provoke him... I guess, leagues or any sporting body should also provide punishments to the provokers as well...

Phantim3dx · 08-03-2009, 11:56 PM

I just downloaded and wastched this game. to be honest I can see why the ityalian guy decked him (albeit rather dirty in a way) the game was pretty rough. it remidned me a lot of 80s style nba playing, rough and tough. before this around the 3rd qyarfter there was also almost a fight when one fo the canadian players fell tot he ground and it looked like he hit the heel of his shoe on oen of the italian players as he was falling down. this was rough and gritty I must admit.

Toxicity · 08-04-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantim3dx

I just downloaded and wastched this game. to be honest I can see why the ityalian guy decked him (albeit rather dirty in a way) the game was pretty rough. it remidned me a lot of 80s style nba playing, rough and tough. before this around the 3rd qyarfter there was also almost a fight when one fo the canadian players fell tot he ground and it looked like he hit the heel of his shoe on oen of the italian players as he was falling down. this was rough and gritty I must admit.

Yeah man, that canadian player you're talking about is the same hit by Mancinelli... definitely a dirty player.

Sydney Pete · 08-05-2009, 02:34 AM

Absolutely disgraceful hit. Basketball isn't supposed to be a contact sport. It's not a rugby code or NFL ffs.

Dave in RI · 08-05-2009, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

Watch the whole game... that canadian played DIRTY all the game... he provocated some other italian players (Datome, Bargnani, Crosariol among others) during the game... Datome (a quite guy usually) was ready to hit him way before Mancinelli!!! The reaction by Stefano is crazy and he should be suspended some games but it came from something canadian guy did...

Doesn't matter what the Canadian did. If Mancinelli couldn't deal with it face-to-face, he's a coward. The posters defending him share his sleazy character. I've seen this lack of values on Italian soccer teams. What are Italian children taught about sportsmanship?

Toxicity · 08-05-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave in RI

Doesn't matter what the Canadian did. If Mancinelli couldn't deal with it face-to-face, he's a coward. The posters defending him share his sleazy character. I've seen this lack of values on Italian soccer teams. What are Italian children taught about sportsmanship?

LOL...

p.s.= i'm not defending Mancinelli... i'm just pointing out the canadian guy is not a saint... it's the first time in his career that Stefano did something like that...

Picek · 08-05-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

LOL...

p.s.= i'm not defending Mancinelli

this right here is defending him:

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

it's the first time in his career that Stefano did something like that...

there is no excuse..
if he wanted to hit him then he could atleast act like a grown man and not a pussy and hit him the way the guy can see him..
this way he acted like a coward and moron hitting him from behind and hitting him at all..

and I didn't answer to your post in italian section..
yes I'm serious when saying that in friendly matches on italian court italian team always play rough..
our NT has been playing some friendlies against Italy in Italy in last few years and afterwards they were always complaining about roughness of italian players in what is supposed to be a friendly game..
and refs allow that because usually refs on those friendly games in Italy are italians..

Toxicity · 08-05-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Picek

this right here is defending him:

there is no excuse..
if he wanted to hit him then he could atleast act like a grown man and not a pussy and hit him the way the guy can see him..
this way he acted like a coward and moron hitting him from behind and hitting him at all..

It would have been the same (from behind or not)... it's not a good acting at all when a player hits an opponent that hard. A suspension should be the minimum but FIBA and FIP seemed to ignore that... i don't know why.

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and I didn't answer to your post in italian section..
yes I'm serious when saying that in friendly matches on italian court italian team always play rough..
our NT has been playing some friendlies against Italy in Italy in last few years and afterwards they were always complaining about roughness of italian players in what is supposed to be a friendly game..
and refs allow that because usually refs on those friendly games in Italy are italians..

Man, you're complaining a little too much... especially being a croatian...

SunOverHStreet · 08-05-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxicity

Man, you're complaining a little too much... especially being a croatian...

Here we go...

08-03-2009, 04:26 PM	#2
Phantim3dx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: OSU, NY, 中国万岁！！！ Posts: 2,355 Country:	STUART U ARE THE MAN!!!! although i feel bad this has happened, my blood lust has been at this moment fulfilled. amazing anyone else got info more about this about what happened, where, when, why, how, what, etc etc __________________ "A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress."-Anonymous

08-03-2009, 05:15 PM	#3
Lewis Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,082 Country:	WOW, and I thought Italians played dirty only in Soccer how naive I was __________________ 1. The participant's perspectives are clouded while the bystander's views are clear. 2. Pick the flower when it is ready to be picked. 3. If you don't go into the cave of the tiger, how are you going to get its cub? 4. When the tiger comes down from the mountain to the plains, it is bullied by the dogs.

08-03-2009, 11:56 PM	#13
Phantim3dx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: OSU, NY, 中国万岁！！！ Posts: 2,355 Country:	I just downloaded and wastched this game. to be honest I can see why the ityalian guy decked him (albeit rather dirty in a way) the game was pretty rough. it remidned me a lot of 80s style nba playing, rough and tough. before this around the 3rd qyarfter there was also almost a fight when one fo the canadian players fell tot he ground and it looked like he hit the heel of his shoe on oen of the italian players as he was falling down. this was rough and gritty I must admit. __________________ "A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress."-Anonymous

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08-03-2009, 06:42 PM	#7
jxuusa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 290 Country:	That Canadian must have pulled a Matterazzi, but honestly didn't see too much of contact by the Canadian's elbow on the Italian player, and then to go after a guy after he's walking away from you, dirty. Understand how the Canadian coach was losing his mind, anyone find a English version of the broadcast?

08-05-2009, 02:34 AM	#15
Sydney Pete Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 20 Country:	Absolutely disgraceful hit. Basketball isn't supposed to be a contact sport. It's not a rugby code or NFL ffs.

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