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    Default Muslim forbidden by FIBA to wear religious headscarf

    http://www.interbasket.net/news/3568...ear-headscarf/

    Sura Al-Shawk, a Muslim woman has been told by Probasket, the Swiss basketball association, that she is forbidden to wear her headscarf during league play.

    Any games that Al-Shawk participates in while wearing her headscarf, will be automatically be forfeited and counted as a loss for her club STV Luzern.
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    a rule is a rule...

    take it off or dont play at all...

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    A member of the Bahraini girls basketball team cries after Asian Youth Games officials refused to allow them to play.

    Bahrain girls' team in hijab standoff lauded

    By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
    Published: July 03, 2009, 20:16

    Manama: Lawmakers here heaped praise on the members of Bahrain's women's basketball team for refusing to remove their hijab in an international competition.

    "The attitude of our national team was honourable and truly indicated the players' deep commitment to Islamic values. They conveyed a strong and genuine message to the whole world that Muslims value their traditions and principles and are not ready to give them up for the sake of a game," said MP Ebrahim Busanadal.

    "It is obvious that the struggle for wearing the hijab is long and arduous and is taking place in several countries, even in those that falsely claim that they promote democracy and the right of people to think and dress as they like. I salute all the members of the Bahraini delegation who fought for the right to allow the girls to keep their hijab," he added.

    MP Mohammad Khalid, meanwhile, said their attitude deserved to be applauded by all people.

    "You held our heads high by refusing to remove the veil for the sake of the game. You were right in wearing it and you were right in keeping it. We do understand your frustration when you were told that you would be losing the game against the Indian team if you did not remove the veil. But we sincerely applaud your decision to respect the precepts of your religion and to follow its teachings," the MP said.

    Bahrain's first match in the Asian Youth Games in Singapore was mired with controversy after an official told the girls to take off their veils as this violates the Fiba dress code. The girls' refusal to take off their hijab resulted in the team conceding a walkover to India and the shocked Bahrainis burst into tears. The decision was later reversed after Bahraini officials protested.

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    Wow. Thanks for the article c_d... I didn't even know about this...
    From a rules-standpoint, it's not discriminatory, a rule is a rule.... from a practical standpoint, factoring out religion, I don't see it as a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuart View Post
    Wow. Thanks for the article c_d... I didn't even know about this...
    From a rules-standpoint, it's not discriminatory, a rule is a rule.... from a practical standpoint, factoring out religion, I don't see it as a big deal.

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    Yeah, the rule has nothing to do with religion at all. Besides, not wearing it while playing basketball doesn't make them less religious.

    I wonder what our muslim brothers have to say about this though...

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    The rules may not really have discrimination as its rationale, but moving forward, this issue should be taken up in rule amendments later on, taking into consideration the differences in culture among all nations who participate in sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_d View Post
    Yeah, the rule has nothing to do with religion at all. Besides, not wearing it while playing basketball doesn't make them less religious.

    I wonder what our muslim brothers have to say about this though...
    i think the girls just want to play basketball and yet the FIBA didn't allow them to play the game they love!. .i think in football the fifa allowed the muslim to play the game with their headscarf or hijab!. . .in islam every girl in her teens is necessary to wear their hijab in there school or every where they go.. . .i'm a muslim and happy ramadhan to all muslim out there!
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    Does anybody know what the justification and the reasoning behind this rule is?

    Even if this rule is there for reasons of precaution with respect to injuries, I could imagine a special kind of headscarf made from latex for example that should not cause any problem.

    However I do not like this rule.

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    I watched a segment on CNN and a FIBA Officer who's identity was not disclosed, stated: "FIBA Rules are for neutrality and are not against or siding with any particular religion. We at FIBA are neutral.

    Something like that in a statement was issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOfLeyte View Post
    We at FIBA are neutral.
    But thats the point. If you force someone to act against his/her religious conscious you are not neutral anymore.

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    Just another typical example of Muslim hypocrisy. In their countries every female visitor must follow their rules, cover the shoulders etc. but when they come to Europe, than they don't want to accept Western rules. Some Muslim conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag. That's barbarian attitude if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richey666 View Post
    Some Muslim conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag.
    Is saluting the flag a rule, or a preference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuart View Post
    Is saluting the flag a rule, or a preference?

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    preference unless u live in some weird obscure dictatorship

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuart View Post
    Is saluting the flag a rule, or a preference?

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    In army? In any normal army it would be rule (like in US Armed forces, or in IDF).
    I guess in today EUs armies it could be preference (German soldiers are not permitted to wear uniform, while out of bases (off duty)), for instance, in order "to not harm public feelings"....)

    Back to topic - FIBA also does not permit to women wear additional shirt under team one, and thus religious Jewish girls in Israeli girl NT (who wanted to be modest)were not permitted to play in some FIBA tournament game this summer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMaccabiFan View Post
    In army? In any normal army it would be rule (like in US Armed forces, or in IDF).
    I guess in today EUs armies it could be preference (German soldiers are not permitted to wear uniform, while out of bases (off duty)), for instance, in order "to not harm public feelings"....)
    Well I asked to keep this discussion from falling into personal or societal preferences (manners) over "hard and fast rules."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thadzonline View Post
    The rules may not really have discrimination as its rationale, but moving forward, this issue should be taken up in rule amendments later on, taking into consideration the differences in culture among all nations who participate in sports.
    Quote Originally Posted by fasoulaki View Post
    But thats the point. If you force someone to act against his/her religious conscious you are not neutral anymore.
    Agreed on both points.

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    this is a very bad news for the iranian female basketballers Iran planned to compete in Asia Champs after 30 years absence but they withdrew because of this reason !

    I hope FIBA change this rule and allow them to play in international tournaments. it doesn't hurt nobody !

    But for Iran, many things must change !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richey666 View Post
    Just another typical example of Muslim hypocrisy.
    In this case, I think they simply don't know what to do.

    No disrespect to Islam, but this religion is not compatible with modern life that Muslims have to/want to live in. There are many cases where they find themselves struck in dilemmas. Most people just ignore the religious constraints and choose to go on with their life, but some others cannot do that and they have to create these forced, absurd solutions.

    Volleyball, tennis or individual sports can tolerate different sports gear to some extent, but I think in a sport like bball where players are in constant contact, it's a good idea to set some more strict rules for outfit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richey666 View Post
    In their countries every female visitor must follow their rules, cover the shoulders etc. but when they come to Europe, than they don't want to accept Western rules.
    What are you talking about? Or which country are you talking about? Do you think there is only one big Muslimland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Richey666 View Post
    Some Muslim conscripts of the Austrian army refused to salute the Austrian flag. That's barbarian attitude if you ask me.
    This part is totally irrelevant because it is more related to nation concept than religion but I will just tell my opinion: If the military service were not mandatory in Austria, I would say it is stupid really but in this case, no, I think they have the right not to greet a flag. It's just a preference.

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    If the team's attire doesn't interfere with the game, then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to wear it. FIBA should be less rigid when it comes to such issues. they have to understand that for some teams and in some countries its beyond the players personal choice to wear or not to wear the hijab.
    here is a picture of Iran's National team hope they will be able to play in international venues:

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