Shouldn't There Be a FIBA Mideast?
I am thinking about this, FIBA Americans region makes sense and so does FIBA Oceania region. But FIBA Europe and FIBA Asia regions seem like they need to be divided up into three regions to me.
Should not Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, and Armenia be moved from FIBA Europe and should not Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait, Bahrain, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan be moved from FIBA Asia and then all of them put into a FIBA Mideast region?
Wouldn't that make more sense than how the current regions are formatted?
good idea...but there is a tiny little problem with it...95% of asian teams you mentioned wont accept to play with israel
History will write --> "In 2009, China stole the asian cup from Lebanon"
Shouldn't There Be a FIBA Mideast? No !
FIBA Asia has 44 members but how many of them can be a competitive team in the continental championship ?
Israel, Turkey, Azerbijan, and Armenia would not want to play in any other region than Fiba Europe, simply because it is the best option available. Geographical concerns come later, and are not that important really.Originally Posted by FIBA Europe Basket
Yes, combine west asia, gulf, and middle asia but in the process they should move Australia, and New Zealand in with East Asia, and South East Asia and rename it the pacific or something.
Two solid groups, and no more automatic qualifying for both teams in Oceania.
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FIBA Mideast??? And what's next? FIBA Baltic Sea Region, FIBA Mediteranian East, FIBA Mediteranian West, FIBA Central Europe etc, etc.? Nonsense!!
Oh yeah - and Russia is so big that it deserves it's own qualifying group.
Yes, great idea. And there should also be a FIBA Baltic Sea Region and FIBA Medit - oh never mind...
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I think it's because Asia as a whole doesn't deserve two Olympic spots, and having another Regional FIBA would need that extra spot
better to combine oceania with asia and increase the total seats to 5 and let them fight for it...its silly that australia and NZ qualify automatically to the world championship.
But you'd like them to bring 2 extra spots to Asia?
I'd give a combined Asia/Oceania 4 spots and then give the extra spot to whatever zone had the previous Olympic champion.
Since I believe that basically the best teams should show up at tournaments like the Olympics, Asia already has more than enough spots right now.
Asia is far behind Europe, and why should the number of spots for Asia be increased at all if there are plenty of european countries left out despite being better than anything playing in Asia?
Establishing another asian qualifying zone is nonsense - instead it's long overdue that the Oceanic region is being moved to Asia - in my eyes without giving Asia an additional slot.
To be fair
Asia should have more spots if you want to be fair with Asia ..
Asia is around 7 times bigger than Europe.. and why because its level
If you do not increase Asian spots it will remain low level
After all, what is the purpose of FIBA, ISN' t enhance and improve basketball level all over the world...
Unless you think " discrimination "
What a strange look at it! So Asia should get additional spots because of its size?Asia should have more spots if you want to be fair with Asia ..
Asia is around 7 times bigger than Europe.. and why because its level
If you do not increase Asian spots it will remain low level
After all, what is the purpose of FIBA, ISN' t enhance and improve basketball level all over the world...
Unless you think " discrimination "
Calling my thought discriminating is ridiculous! Asian basketball will not improve because of an increase of spots at the Olympics or WC - it will improve if they bring in foreign coaches, gain more international experience (in friendly matches that is) and improve their local basketball programs.
A WC or olympic tournament should represent mainly the best teams in the world. If you add more teams from Asia or Africa, we will only have the same situation there that we already saw at the Asian Champs - too many teams in the final tournament that don't really belong there -> result: plenty of nonsense games with teams winning by 40,50 or 60 points. Is that what you would like to establish in the WC or Olympics???
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What do you think if we remove whole continent like asia/africa/half of america from the map and we qualify only strongest teams without any tournaments
Even we get results with big margin of points
This is ridiculous
Asia is having 3 spots.. Africa is having 3..
but tell me why Oceania continent is having 2 silly spots: Australia and NZ directly qualifies: WHAT can you say about thisssssssss .. do you want to give Oceania more spots ???!!
You have to be logic.. tournaments are not just to represent strong teams.. tournaments and especially world championship should cover all the world regardless the level
Do a revision
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We just have completely different ideas of what a final tournament of a world championship should be. Aside from that, you should really read my posts more carefully first before replying, because I never said that Asian or African countries shouldn't be there at all!! I just believe that an increase of spots is absolutely not justified yet simply because most countries there are not yet competetive enough. It's not the job of a final tournament like that to be the stage for entire continents to improve their game - that should be accomplished elsehwere! Those tournaments should represent the best in the world - including the current number of teams from Africa or Asia (although most of them are not really competetive enought).
You on the other hand wanted an increase of spots for these continents just because of their size - and that is and will remain a ridiculous approach to me that is not justified at all.
You would have Israel, Turkey, Iran for example all in the same region, even there might be less places overall. I don't understand how this would weaken and bring less good teams in. Actually it would make it harder for the Asian teams to qualify. In the Asian region you would have China and then whomever finishes second to them.
I really don't see how that weakens the field at all.
Also, I think everyone is forgetting that the Olympics will go from 12 teams to 16 teams and the World Championship will go from 24 teams to 32 teams in the future as both the Olympic committee and FIBA have already been discussing the plans for this. Also, the Mideast region winners places would of course be the same teams that get places now, like Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, Iran - teams like that get World Championship places already.
Then for the Olympics it would be probably teams like Israel, Turkey, Iran fighting for that, say maybe two places. So Turkey and Iran at the Olympics maybe out of 16 team field. How is that a problem? How would it be a problem to give China and say Philippines a place at the World Championship and the Asian champ (China) a place in the Olympics? Especially with the number of teams also increasing for both tournaments in the future.
Turkey, Iran, China and with the Olympics moving to a 16 team field, you do not think those 3 countries could get a spot out of 16 places?
This is exactly what I think. And if you divided it up into the Mideast region it would solve the problem of the level of teams getting in. If they wanted to they could put New Zealand and Australia in Asian region, which let's say if you gave 3 places to Asian region for World championship and 2 for Olympics.Asia should have more spots if you want to be fair with Asia ..
Asia is around 7 times bigger than Europe.. and why because its level
If you do not increase Asian spots it will remain low level
After all, what is the purpose of FIBA, ISN' t enhance and improve basketball level all over the world...
Unless you think " discrimination "
You still have China, New Zealand, Australia but they have to fight harder to earn medals, to earn births, to earn FIBA rankings. And this would also give as you say the Asian region teams more reason to try to get better. Because all the Mideast teams would be out of there.
Israel and Turkey and Iran and countries like that would improve and have more chances also. Plus this would fix a lot of problems with the FIBA rankings.
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