Hell Yeah! let them teach him some lessons!
Heck no! he just wants to play for the NT..it's his right!
I agree w u sir .. He just left this team hanging during Wuhan can't even nail a victory over Korea .. Over rated .. Over paid coach w/o ang single tournament won .. Lutz n Aguilar playing well n PBa but w gilas under toroman dis guys cant even show their talent .. Toroman out .. Reyes in ..Originally Posted by Sam (a.k.a.) Tuwid
Agree and disagree. If you really were reading my posts then you'll see that I was high on Japeth way before WUHAN started. Ecstatic if you may because I like the potential.
I may have fall to the downside I guess due to the hopes about his development but same issues has been brought about by other posters as well.
What really my point is, too many people here are trying to hyped him yet again. And with that game last night it gets even higher. I said in the PBA thread he really impressed me in the offensive side which is really remarkable but I'm still waiting up to the time that he really plays the so called veterans of the PBA. I'm not really just an expectant person now.
No disrespect to anyone.
And thanks for a non-brutal comment. Haha.. I lik that people commenting with grace and fluency even it is negative on me.
“You don’t have to be a fantastic hero to do certain things – to compete. You can be just an ordinary chap, sufficiently motivated.” - Sir Edmund Hillary
japhet's game varies from poor to good to great depending on the opposition and the game pace. in wuhan against bahrain he played great thats because bahrain's tallest guy is just about 6'7 and a lot more skinier than japhet and the game was pretty much open court. against china he played like 3 mins and was shooled every second by wang zhi zhi.
toroman's decision to piroritize williams and deocampo at the 4 position is very wise and undertsanble if you were following the gilas program since he joined the program. there was even a tournament i think that was in dubai thou im not sure where hes father peter aguilar was watching live. according to reports in one of the games there peter his own father lost his cool because japhet just couldnt get the rebounds and they were losing the game because of it.
so considering all those things i dont think toroman should be blamed for japhets lack of playing time. even japhet doesn't hold bad blood against toroman for it why should anyone? remember before tha start of the wuhan games japhet stated that if toroman is retained as the coach of gilas he would choose to stay with gilas.
im a fan of japhet aguilar. i believe he is the next dominant big man of the philippines following the likes of patrimonio, paras, limpot, jerby raymundo etc. i also think for the philippines to improve its strong 4th place finish sbp need to continue the gilas program and they need to heavily invest on the new breed of filipino giants (slaughters, gian chiu, fajardo, van opstal) headed by japhet aguilar.
peace!!!
I'm still hopefull that japeth will become our dominant powerforward for next national team. I really hope he is given a defense coach and rebounding coach. He also needs to learn proper post moves. He must turn into a Bosh not a Durant which he is forcing him self to be become that is his idol. Durant cannot defend well, and rebound, bosh if more balance. And for our national team we need a bosh type of player.
Yup...Lutz is one top 3 point shooter in the US...I think he ranks 3rd in NCAA...but in Toroman system...he was just limited to become a defender....i think your performance really depends on your coach too
The coach really affects how a good player performs...in the NBA..Chauncey Billups played badly under Pitino in the Boston Celtics,,,when he was traded to the Pistons...suddenly he became one of the top point guards in the NBA....Pitino..who was one of the top coaches in the US didnt know how to utilise Billups...he was highly criticized for that and he was later fired by the Celtics
i think this is true for Japeth and in a way, to Lutz too.
Yup..i belived in that 3 minutes, wang zhi zhi scored 4 pts against him....however, in that 3 minutes, he also scored 4 pts against wang zhi zhi.
The extra-long legs and short body makes Japeth's center of gravity very high thus he gets off-balanced easily when pushed. What he can do about this is lower his center of gravity- bend the knees when boxing out and spread out the legs for leverage when defending the post. He'll learn to do this eventually.
Again with the conclusions after one game.. Just like with Paul Lee and Booby Parks in his thread (heck I think there's a conclusion about Ray every game, remember that elcian?)..
Japeth played great.. He was free to do what he wanted.. That's what we wanted to see him do all along..
Let's see him when he gets scouted and gets bumped.. That time Toroman should now be somewhat remembered.. But I hope Japeth he proves him (and me) wrong..
I still want to see him in the mold of Kelly Williams.. He still doesn't have that strong dribble-drive.. He will be the perfect 4 then for our country..
Oh yeah, and that dunk was sick.. \m/,
Hahaha. Oh I most definitely remember that eindhow. How could I forget?
I agree with you though that Japeth still has a lot to prove, just as with Paul Lee. One game doesn't prove anything. At the moment, Chris Lutz is the only rookie with at least 2 games and he has performed considerably well. Great defense, great cross over dribble, can take it strong to the rim and finish/pass off to open teammates and can hit the 3. He might not have been able to show his true worth in Gilas as well, same as Japeth.
It will be up to Japeth to play consistently and improve on his dribble drive, strength and defense. Like I said, he'll get better!
Credit goes to CKR13 for this! Thanks so much!
nice observation sir .. Reyes and Gregorio tandem w / Norman black taking teaching our bigs fundamentals playing inside d paint .. We really don't need toroman .. I hate this guy .. He frustrates me in Wuhan .. He broke every filipinos heart ..
freedom for japeth means good news for philippine basketball.
Blog » Aguilar, Talk ‘N Text could find redemption in each other
By Francis T.J. Ochoa
Philippine Daily Inquirer
4:55 pm | Saturday, October 8th, 2011
Talk ‘N Text could not have picked a better way to dust off the patchwork job it had done on its derailed war machine, right in its first game since Petron ripped the hinges off the Texters’ Grand Slam bid.
Against a sister team that almost too willingly froze at the sight of the first significant cluster of points Talk ‘N Text assembled in the game—a Japeth Aguilar-fueled run in the second period—the Texters engineered a masterful 98-80 victory over Meralco that shredded all doubts over the state of the team’s morale.
Think the Texters would go into the game with sagged shoulders; that they had the swagger beaten out of them by Petron Blaze?
In hilly Antipolo, the league’s most powerful team roster-wise had but one message: Think again.
When the 6-foot-9 Aguilar flushed out his Fiba frustrations with a highlight slam against former Smart Gilas teammate Jason Ballesteros to seal that strong second quarter surge by the Texters, it was clear the swagger returned. Ten-fold in fact.
But that was only what was happening on the surface. When the Texters held court after the match in post-game interviews, things got even more interesting. Both Aguilar and coach Chot Reyes hinted that the woes of the former Atenean who had a stint in the US NCAA Division I are about to end.
“My teammates gave me the confidence I needed,” said Aguilar of the 27-point performance that heralded his return to the PBA after a messy divorce with Burger King (now Barako Bull) led to his mostly, though unexpectedly, uneventful stint with the national team.
Aguilar said he would thrive in the Texters’ system because of the offensive freedom he gets within it. “Coach Chot isn’t so strict” with offensive sets, he added.
“Japeth’s a fit for our system because he loves running up and down the court and we are the kind of team that runs up and down the court,” Reyes said at the Ynares Center press room.
Raise your hands if you think that’s what Aguilar meant.
After toiling almost futilely with the Powerade PH squad and hearing some of the harshest locker room pep-less talks ever—witnesses swear this is the reason Aguilar broke off with the team that made him the No. 1 pick, to never hear those words again—and then struggling to collect playing time with the Smart Gilas PH, Aguilar could be (mis?)construed as saying this is the coach he needs, the system he deserves, to flourish.
He never got to shine, and was criticized sharply by some sectors, because no one ever put him in a position to reach his potential.
In a way, Reyes lent credence to that interpretation. He said Aguilar’s emergence in Friday’s game wasn’t an offshoot of a change in scenery—Reyes said he doesn’t see any difference between Aguilar playing in Fiba and Aguilar playing in the PBA.
“Japeth’s a basketball player. There is no other Filipino with such a combination of height and athletic ability and it’s my job as a coach to utilize his skills,” Reyes said.
Whether that was a nudge at Rajko Toroman’s direction or not, no one will ever know.
What’s certain is this: Aguilar and Talk ‘N Text were meant for each other and things will only get better for both of them now that they have found each other.
For Aguilar, he finally gets to show what he is made of, without being limited by the restrictions of a to-the-letter system or the fear of getting verbally bitch-slapped at every halftime break.
For the Texters, they get their swag back. They get to tell people that last season was not a Sunkist-circa-‘95-style Grand Slam blowout, where a team comes achingly close to a triple crown, fails to complete it and then slips to irrelevance and dysfunction in the following years.
This wasn’t even ‘85 Great Taste or ‘86 Tanduay, where teams fail to complete a Grand Slam but are still good enough to compete one or two seasons later.
This is Toyota of ‘75 or Crispa of ’77, teams that failed to complete a Grand Slam but dominated for nearly a decade so every other team outside of the two squads was reduced to almost an afterthought.
Even Reyes, normally a straight shooter who is one of the best at layering statements when he needs to, issued a threat that was in no way veiled.
“Our problem now is getting our three national players (reigning MVP Jimmy Alapag, athletic rebounder and rim rattler Kelly Williams and versatile forward Ranidel de Ocampo) back from injury,” Reyes said.
If you think we look good now, he was really saying, wait till we get our main guys back.
Chot Reyes: "It’s the job of the coach to harness the player’s talent."
TO TOROMAN WITH LOVE
MY DREAM GILAS:
norwood 6-6 PG
ababou 6-4 SG
aguilar 6-9 SF
douthit 6-10 PF
slaughter 7-0 C
6th man - fajardo 6-10 F-C
The position he's morre comfortable playing is SF not PF in time he will develop a mid range shot,an occasional 3pt. shot,and hopefully a running hookshot he will move like a tall athletic American SF in the US.This year in the PBA he will gain confidence and other polish his offensive and defensive skills.
no he did not. 2 pts out of the 4 came from free throws as sun yue fouled him on his alley hoop dunk attempt which was a set play. even the other 2 pts he made came against a different defender. he also had zero rebounds in 4 mins.
im really looking forward to japhet aguilar ver 2. that version i bet would be capable of scoring 20 pts against anyone in asia including the behemoths of china and iran.
go japhet!
Good read. A lot of criticism but as well as hopes and promise for JA and the other rookies in the PBA. One thing's for sure, this is the strongest batch of rookies and new comer (counting JA) in a long while. And who do you thank for that? Smart The NATIONAL TEAM!
And in a rather ironic twist of fate, SMC (Petron) owes the biggest thanks so far (at least the first 2 games) to MVP (Smart) for Chris Lutz.
Going back to the Japeth topic, i do hope some of the hypocrite posters go back a hundred pages back and look at their comments on how MVP was doing this one (Aguilar to Gilas) for the national team.
Just to recap:
Aguilar to Powerade
Aguilar applies for the draft
Aguilar gets drafted by BK
Aguilar plays 1 game for BK (then virtually forced a trade to TNT, or an MVP team)
Aguilar indeed traded to TNT
Aguilar on loan to Gilas
Aguilar to TNT - present
It's all in the plan
IF THERE IS NO BASKETBALL IN HEAVEN, I AM NOT GOING.
Not in Wuhan, I'm referring to those tournaments without the PBA reinforcements. Baracael having more minutes than him even thou Mac is a total mismatch at the 4spot.
Just looked at that game again....basically he got away from the man (Wang Zhi Zhi, ex NBA player) guarding him. He attacked the basket....Sue Yun, the 6.9 point guard and ex NBA player, tried to stop him but couldnt and instead fouled him.
In another play, Japeth threw a good pass to Douhit who was completely free under the basket....unfortunately, Douhit was not able to convert (he should have dunked the ball).
In another play..Japeth intimidated the 7 ft chinese player (Siu Mei?), under the basket, missed his shot and led to a turnover.
Japeth Aguilar with no regard for Jason Ballesteros' life! Lol.
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ayos lang yan Ballesteros. Kahit si Durant nga nabiktima.
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its ok Ballesteros, it also happened to Kevin Durant.
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just found it odd, but is japeth crying in this interview?!?
in any case, japeth has really gone thru a lot. overhype. overcriticism. next great brown hope. then benchwarmer. nba hopeful. then basahan. ginto. then basura.
i just hope he really really does well. gains back his confidence. not just to shut up the critics. not just to prove toroman wrong. but for philippine basketball. because we really need a 6-9 SF-PF in the international game.
Chot Reyes: "It’s the job of the coach to harness the player’s talent."
TO TOROMAN WITH LOVE
MY DREAM GILAS:
norwood 6-6 PG
ababou 6-4 SG
aguilar 6-9 SF
douthit 6-10 PF
slaughter 7-0 C
6th man - fajardo 6-10 F-C
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