2010 U20 European Championship

[washcloud]

Papaloukas? they have totally different game, no resemblence at all.
If you don't like the comparison with zisis (although zisis was a lethal scorer at this level, most teams were guarding him with double teams back then) you can try Panagiotis Liadelis

What I meant with the comparison was that they both present leadership abilities and that they are "there when needed". Sure Teo is much more of a playmaker than Nikos is - yet I disagree with the "totally different game" : the both are "penetraters", no matter that they're rather short, they both use "clever" jump shots to evade blocks (not identical in style, I agree) and are effective from long distance as well......


Ah and they both play good defence, are "stealers" and tend to also go for the rebounds too...

[washcloud]

He's 3-4 cm's shorter from papanikolaou, and pap is 2.01

...I thought I remembered right



(can't take any blame If he got shorter since last year though )
(...which would bring me back to my point that he's getting wasted at his club)

[raph]

Well, here we are ^^.

ps : Anyone captured the poster from lacombe by chance ?

[Victorious]

Congrats to France, will be a nice final to watch.

As for the talents. It's always difficult to tell who will become a star. Many guys like Tapoutos, Diamantopoulos etc. were unstopable at this level, while Papaloukas and Diamantidis were mediocore players. We 've seen a lot of talents come and go. Most of these players will fade away in the comming years and some may enter the spotlights five years from now. It could be so that Kaselakis or Giankovic turn out to be the best players.

[washcloud]

Well, here we are ^^.

ps : Anyone captured the poster from lacombe by chance ?

...Well, I, captured some other kind of poster....:

[ip84]

This is weird!
The teams Greece, France and Spain totally changed, at least all the starts from the previous year are not there anymore, and yet the same final, the same favorite to win, and Spain although they are probably not the favorites to beat Croatia in Croatia, but still have a chance to win the bronze again.

I wish I would be able to see the Spain vs France from today.
I like Josep Franch (and he is not French but Spanish ) and it seemed that he had a good game even though his team lost.
If there is a torrent please let me know!
thanks!

[washcloud]

This is weird!
The teams Greece, France and Spain totally changed, at least all the starts from the previous year are not there anymore,

Well at least as far as the Greek team goes, it's basically the same. The only substancial change was Sarikopoulos instead of Bogris.......
One can actually say that the core of the "youth of Greece", has remained more or less unchanged for 4 years now (2007-10).

[ip84]

Well at least as far as the Greek team goes, it's basically the same. The only substancial change was Sarikopoulos instead of Bogris.......
One can actually say that the core of the "youth of Greece", has remained more or less unchanged for 4 years now (2007-10).

Thanks.

Oh, I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT... my mistake.

Anyway, I knew the French and the Spanish squad well and about them I know for sure that their teams completely changed.

[KWSN-Men]

Nah, what's good about these kids, is that they are all very down to earth, as personalities (ok maybe except Pappas ). They simply enjoy playing their game, doesn't have to do with show-off (plus they probably wanted to just please the few Greeks at the audience).

Ahem, not all of them...

[koursaros7]

Thanks.

Oh, I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT... my mistake.

Anyway, I knew the French and the Spanish squad well and about them I know for sure that their teams completely changed.

Well, the greek core remained the same because last year they were younger than the other teams.
We participated with the '90 generation last year while the others were playing with the '89 generation that are over 20 and can't compete this summer

Jackson, Diot, Aguilar, Rabaseda etc all belong to the '89 generation.

Practically, our U20 team last year was an U19 team

[CG]

...the kid whose talent is getting most wasted, is the way I see it, Kasselakis.
He is way talented, strong enough already, and most of all he plays with "heart".

He however got almost no recognition since this team started to flourish.
Pity.

unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

[washcloud]

I assumed that Papanikolau wouldn't play for the U20 because he was already invited to the adult NT

...as far as Papanikolaou goes, he was called for participation at only friendly matches and at the Acropolis tournament last year. He was not part of the roster at "official" games, like at the polish Eurobasket.

(Dunno however if he's been called for the oncoming Mundobasket)

[washcloud]

Ahem, not all of them...

What do you mean, you mischievous serial killer you?
(how's it going man?)

[KWSN-Men]

What do you mean, you mischievous serial killer you?
(how's it going man?)

Where's the bee?

Well, when a young player turn to the crowd and with signs tells them, "I have money, you guys are broke", I wouldn't call that down to earth...

[washcloud]

unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

Well he's not that short, come on (I assume you meant his height). Plus, need I remind Charles Barkley's height ?
Seriously now however (since Barkley is an extra-terrestrial anyway), I think he's not "condemned" by bodily measure, Kaselakis. He can be quite useful at a team, either the national or some club, playing the double role of small forward/power forward. He's already proven that he IS able to do that, when needed. Even if we 're talking about youth teams. He has a very solid stature (quite promising for development too), not lazy at all, has versatility in his movements in the court, either with the ball or without it, he does have the intelligence to follow the game, he's an adequate pass and he does make good use of the passes that he's being given, has nice static and not only static shot, he's adequate from even the 3pt line, good with free throws and surely of the ones that do follow the ball so to get rebounds. In addition he's I think a very good choice for backing up centers. He actually...pays good tribute to his name (Leonidas), 'cause like the ancient Spartans, he does stick with his team-mates. He also is a very good ball handler. He can even easily dribble away even from point guards. And he actually kinda reminds me of Fanis Christodoulou a bit, only difference being that Fanis was a "3", trying to adapt to occasional needs for "4" - the exact opposite happens with Leonidas, but he too is an all-around asset.
I disagree that he has to try to become a clear "3". I do however agree that he needs to work his ass off, especially with the explosiveness required from small and power forwards, so that he gets chances at teams. I somehow however predict that this is not gonna happen, no matter the amount of work he's gonna put in. For some reason, his public relations do not seem to be as effective as they could...

I feel that if he were to be given a chance by some coach that trusted in him and took him under his wings, Kaselakis would make a quite decent career. Probably not first class status, 'cause he anyway isn't the "leader" type, but the "worker" rather - still he could be very useful to the national team in the years to come.

[washcloud]

Where's the bee?

Well, when a young player turn to the crowd and with signs tells them, "I have money, you guys are broke", I wouldn't call that down to earth...

You caught me offguard here. Who are you (NOT ) referring to...?


(the bee? the bee has flown a couple of years now..."where's the indian", would be more like it)

[pohani komarac]

unfortunately for him, even if i agree with you,his body doesnt help him at all.
he is a trap SF body playing in PF position.
the guy needs to work hard in order to adapt as SF otherwise he wont make the career that his talent and heart promises him

no way! i remeber time when they tried to teach banic to play SF, they almost destroyed his carer untill jusup came back to zadar and let banic to play how he knows. he will make it if he has smatrs and heart

[CG]

no way! i remeber time when they tried to teach banic to play SF, they almost destroyed his carer untill jusup came back to zadar and let banic to play how he knows. he will make it if he has smatrs and heart

lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98- for his shake

[washcloud]

lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98- for his shake

Well I think that 1.98 is referred as at Fiba's site.
But if you check, most players are referred shorter than we see them being referred at tv broadcasts. I guess it's simply cause Fiba hasn't been updating the data : a dead giveaway is the clubs mentioned (for example, Papanikolaou is mentioned to be playing for Trikala). So those heights there are probably from when they were younger and they first registered with Fiba.

[pohani komarac]

lets hope then that as Washcloud say he is 2.04+and not 1.98- for his shake

marko banic is also somwere about 199-201, but he is listed as 204. very usuall thing for players undersized for their position

you can see here him in this video after 5,23 next to dario saric who is listed 203-204 that he is shorter 3-4 cm than him, and i'm prety sure dario is at the momet 204-205 at the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFHDGCHK2eI

banic, milojevic, reyes all made it even if they were hevily udersized because they had brain and heart