Turkish-Israeli relations

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[Lewis]

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well said my brotha, well said indeed

you speak the truth

I wounder what's everybody else's take on your savvy words.

[kyosphere]

well said my brotha, well said indeed

you speak the truth

I wounder what's everybody else's take on your savvy words.

He deleted all his posts i guess including this one... This quote used to include actual post I mean

[Czarkazem13]

well said my brotha, well said indeed

you speak the truth

I wounder what's everybody else's take on your savvy words.

See, I think he's full of it. Another long diatribe....

[prtzn]

I must say that I didn't expect such a turn of events, but here it is:

US plans to be in Turkey, but will monitor events

By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer 10 hours, 6 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (AP)—The United States plans to play in the world championships. Safety will come first, though.

USA Basketball chairman Jerry Colangelo said Wednesday that the Americans expect to participate in the event in Turkey later this summer, but players wouldn’t be put in harm’s way.

“Right now we’re not doing anything but planning to be there,” Colangelo told The Associated Press. “If world events cause us to have to take another look at, we will, but I think it’s too early to speculate on anything like ‘what if.”’

Relations between Turkey and Israel were seriously strained after nine people were killed Monday when Israeli commandos stormed a six-ship flotilla in international waters. About 700 activists—including 400 Turks—were trying to break the Israeli and Egyptian naval blockade of Gaza.

The U.S. team is scheduled to play in Istanbul at the tournament that runs from Aug. 28-Sept. 12.

“Let’s wait and see what happens,” Colangelo said. “If there’s a reason that would change our, if something happens that really would change our position, then we’d have to do what we have to do. So I think it’s too early to project. We’re always looking out for the safety of our people, let’s face it.”

The Americans were plagued by player withdrawals before the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece. Some players cited security fears following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington as a reason for pulling out.

So Colangelo is aware that players may have concerns, even if it’s far too early to think about that now.

“So far nothing has really happened that would deter us,” he said. “If there are developments that cause us to take stock and have to reconsider, then we have to do that. But so far I would say no.”

[Santula]

What needs to be done is to implement a real solution to prevent terrible events like the recent one from ever happening again. This is an interesting suggestion I read by Amitakh Stanford. The only chance for peace is a two state solution. Both the Palestinian state and the Israeli state need to have a seaport and continuous borders. The neighbouring muslim nations should think about granting some land to the Palestinians. However, now we are getting to the crucial part, which is Jerusalem. Jerusalem needs to be either wholly in Palestine or wholly in Israel. A "Berlin Wall" will not work, there would be continued friction and threats of war. Both Israelis and Palestinians are religious, so they should be open to an unconventional solution:

http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar9.html

"O Jerusalem, take heed. The current situation in Israel is untenable; there is an unending conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews. Jewish inhabitants distrust the Palestinians, and vice versa. The age-old struggle between them has cost many lives, much hardship and untold sorrow. The conflict has generated tremendous anger, hatred and distrust – forcing them to live under a single umbrella has proven to be a formula for unending friction.

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Jerusalem is a major sticking point in regard to a two-state solution, which affects not only the parties, but peace in the region. Both sides have long-standing reasons to be inflexible regarding the city. Both sides have long historical, cultural and religious reasons for their intransigence regarding Jerusalem. This has led many people to insist that the two-state solution have a shared Jerusalem. That is, severing Jerusalem in twain, part to one nation and part to another, or granting co-ownership of the city to both nation states. Are either of these proposals wise?

The twentieth century saw what happened when secular powers divided up Berlin into sections. The situation was so bellicose that the Berlin Wall was erected to section off the city. For decades, the Wall divided the people and caused tremendous misery until it was finally demolished.

The same mentality of erecting “Berlin Walls” is very active in modern-day Israel, as is seen by the walled-off sections of the West Bank. Fencing off sections of Berlin did not work, and it should not be encouraged in Jerusalem. Further, if there are national borders running through the city of Jerusalem, it will guarantee that there will be continued friction and bloodshed in the city.

It is understood that neither party wants to relinquish all rights to Jerusalem, but, in reality, to have lasting peace in the area, is there any other choice? I suggest that there is not. Many centuries of conflict support my position. Therefore, in my opinion, Jerusalem should either be wholly within the nation of Israel or wholly within the newly created Palestinian state. To accomplish this, one side or the other would necessarily have to relinquish Jerusalem voluntarily, if it is to be settled amicably. It should be realized that the side that vacates Jerusalem should be amply compensated for it when boundaries for the two newly-formed nation states are drawn.

Clearly, both parties’ claims to Jerusalem are heavily based on religious grounds. If neither side will voluntarily relinquish the city, then, after solemn prayers, a lot should be cast over which nation state will house Jerusalem. Those who sincerely believe in the Divine should accept that the lot will result in the Divine’s will being carried out."

[goga78]

Sorry but this text is highly superficial. If you really want the details, I can bring them (walls, religious connections, compensation). Just one thing: "continuous borders of a Palestinian State". There is no continuous border with Gaza on the one hand and Judea and Samaria on the other hand. If you make a geographical connection between these two territories, Israel will have discontinuous borders.

[ip84]

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4108113,00.html

in Google English:
http://translate.google.com/translat...8113%2C00.html

There is also a video of the even inside:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCSGcSt6fzE&t=1m50s

This is Cadette competition, and this is a mirror of the next Turkish generation, that absorbs the Turkish today's media.

[Deschain]

Technically: The most people on the floatilla would define themselves Muslim before a Turk. They were going on an another country's territory when they were obviously warned not to do so. This was told by the media to make people think that Israel killed 100% innocent Turkish people. But the fact is, many people on that boat boasted that they were on a Jihad.

Morally: Israeli government have always been aggresive and rarely hesitated to execute violance. In the end, people were killed and that can be told in many ways to manipulate people.

Turkey likes to hate people, which in turn makes them say "The only friend of a Turk is a Turk". And Israel is the most prone to this.

Generalization on the work.
You Evil Israeli :@

[Billy Bounce]

Technically: The most people on the floatilla would define themselves Muslim before a Turk. They were going on an another country's territory when they were obviously warned not to do so. This was told by the media to make people think that Israel killed 100% innocent Turkish people. But the fact is, many people on that boat boasted that they were on a Jihad.

The ultimate irony is that flotilla guys wave the same flags in Istanbul , as they were waved by Arabs during Arab Revolt against Turks.





History is a bitch

[Levenspiel]

Israeli - Turkish relationship?

Will never be the same again. Not only on states' level but also on personal level.

[Kasmer]

I don't think so, the vast majority in israel and turkey are logical people, the military of turkey is well connected to the israeli military, israelis main tourist site was turkey, the trading between the countrys is the biggest on the middle east.
The problem is on the political level, you have this Erdogan who think he is the king of the world and has some hate to israel as a country, and we have a right wing goverment that will not take prisoners on her way.
The things should be cold a bit than the relationships will get back on track, the national interest of both sides will win in the end.

[Khalid80]

I don't think so, the vast majority in israel and turkey are logical people, the military of turkey is well connected to the israeli military, israelis main tourist site was turkey, the trading between the countrys is the biggest on the middle east.
The problem is on the political level, you have this Erdogan who think he is the king of the world and has some hate to israel as a country, and we have a right wing goverment that will not take prisoners on her way.
The things should be cold a bit than the relationships will get back on track, the national interest of both sides will win in the end.

Who do you think is more at loss from this situation?
I think Turkey might be more affected economically in terms of tourism and trade relations.
But Israel, without a doubt, has lost more since they have lost a main ally in the Middle East and one of the largest countries in Europe. I mean if Turkey's policies have shifted more towards Syria and Iran than Israel, this is quite a blow for the Israelis.

[Kasmer]

Who do you think is more at loss from this situation?
I think Turkey might be more affected economically in terms of tourism and trade relations.
But Israel, without a doubt, has lost more since they have lost a main ally in the Middle East and one of the largest countries in Europe. I mean if Turkey's policies have shifted more towards Syria and Iran than Israel, this is quite a blow for the Israelis.

I totally agree with you, turkey is stratigic ally of Israel in the area and Israel know that. But i also think that Turkey national interest shouldnt be to strengthen the connection with Iran and Syria instead of Israel and US (even though this is what Erdogan doing right now). Just now after this tragedy, even Turkey who have strong relationship with US understand how deep is the connection between Israel and US.

[Khalid80]

Just now after this tragedy, even Turkey who have strong relationship with US understand how deep is the connection between Israel and US.

Which is why Turkey is very carefully trying not to bring the U.S into this.
(the U.S r in quite a dilemma at the moment and their response seems to be quite weak since they have great relations with both Turkey and Israel and wouldn't want this relation to be affected)
In the Arab world we usually condemn Israel and the U.S is automatically put to blame as well just because of their association with Israel.

[Roy M]

I mean if Turkey's policies have shifted more towards Syria and Iran than Israel, this is quite a blow for the Israelis.

I won't be so proud to shift in favor to the terror countries...
I think, that many of the Turkish citizens, after the dust will sink, prefer to be in the western side of the world and not in the radical fanatic side.

[Kasmer]

The turkish government is blocking google services include youtube and twiter.
kick this Erdogan off his chair.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/break...rkey-425724574