National stereotypes

[sinobball]

6. People from Zhejiang Province, ESPECIALLY Wenzhou are known as the jews of China....which is funny because in Southeast Asia the Chinese descents are known as the Jews of SE Asia, but within China the jews of the jews are the people from Wenzhou/Zhejiang

Careful there, goga may go nuts on you

I can't comment on others, but I am a cunning Nine-headed bird.

Seriously where do you get so many stereotypes... Haven't heard of half of them...

[mvblair]

nice to see other female here.

Top right, I meant to say top right!!!

[qiangdade]

What you have displayed as an example is simply stupidity on part of people who say such stuff.

First off, i didn't call you any names, thank you.

It's not a joke, calling all Germans (any German) Nazis. It's a libel, a diatribe. This is an insult of a whole nation, which is not true btw.

depending on the intentions. If say the president of the US says it, it's libel. if elaj says it in a forum and puts a smiley next to it, it's no big deal. And, no shit! not all germans are nazis?

So, when your German friends hear that they are Nazis because they are Germans, while on vacation somewhere else, they are okay with it?

they don't give a flying shit, and i don't either.

Sure. Jokes involving Jewish characters can be antisemitic but surely don#t have to be. If a non-Jew makes such sort of a joke, it can't be considered anything but antisemitic. But elaj has shown often enough his stance towards Jews, so there is no doubt about his intentions.

I don't get what you say in the bolded part. If a non jew makes such a joke, it is antisemitic, or not necessarily?

What is Elaj's stance? He doesn't like them, or he wants them dead?

Calling someone who he is or someone's word how they sound doesn't make him anything. Stupid people will remain stupid people.

Just to clarify my case, i won't become antisemitic (?) for argueing with a jew. At the best case i will become antigogan78 (and i don't care enough to even become that...)

It's not a syndrome. It's what has happened and continues to happen.

Nobody denies history. But how exactly does it continue to happen? Everybody is after jews to kill them?

Am I blaming everybody? The vast majority of people, I don't care about. There are more than enough people who dislike and hate Jews because the believe in such stereotypes like elaj has brought one up. In the country, where we two are living, they amount to over 15% according to scientific researches.

Unfortunately I am not living in Germany anymore. But what is the 15% you are talking about? you mean Nazis?
Mind you there is a huge difference between not liking/hating a peoples and actually wanting them all dead.

It didn't start with the Holocaust either. No nation before was exterminated in such a fashion and such numbers just because people belonged to it. This wasn't a war over some disputed territory, a war of two armies.

Again with the history... Did you see anyone denying any historic facts here? Believe me if anyone here needs a history lesson, they will either get it at school, or never get it at all. They will surely not get it from you or anyone else in a bball forum.

This was extermination of civilian population not because of what it did but because of who members of it were from their birth on.

Exactly. It was not an extermination caused by a stereotype that all jews are greedy. The stereotype is not the cause neither of the hatred nor of the extermination. You described the conditions in another post yourself.

Such "jokes" are simple stereotypes that have their origin in a situation I've described above. They are not funny, they are not humorous, the are simply offensive. If you need proof of Jewish jokes about Jews, google somewhat and you'll get the difference between this one and jokes that are actually jokes.

Matter of taste imo. I can tell you a really offensive jew joke, that is indeed politically incorrect and could make you throw up, but i hate it too much myself.

Wonderful people, for sure. Slovenia is still a periphery country. That's not a stereotype, that's a fact. Economically, it is underdeveloped in comparison to other European countries. This is also a fact.

I think you are overreacting, but it is really none of my business and i don't care about the cefuri


And now i have a question for you. take a look at this video and i will extract a couple of comments that were posted bellow it on youtube, so you tell me your opinion.



comments:

-A jew throws a coin? Hahahaha

-Burstein is immediately looking for the coin

[mvblair]

Most stereotypes, even "positive" stereotypes, can become negative stereotypes.

I think Goga is right that there is a difference between a Jew telling jokes about Jews and a ____ telling jokes about Jews. I can't really explain why. I mean, people have the right to call themselves whatever they want. I can't explain why.

But Goga, I think your wrong about the Mexican stereotype of Mexicans being hairy, machista, and horny is harmful. Of course it can misconstrued eventually as being "Mexicans are rapists." I think those kinds of stereotypes have led to a lot of the anti-Latino sentiments in the US, just like the stereotype of a Jew being greedy led to anti-Jewish sentiments over the centuries. But, I'm sure you didn't mean any harm from saying that, just like Elaj didn't mean any harm either.

[mvblair]

let's look at some chinese stereotypes within the country of China..im sure sino and anyone else form China would know about this.

Yes, we've got similar stereotypes for US regions as well, as you know.

People from the South are all yokels.

People from the West Coast are all self-absorbed.

People from the East Coast are all big-spenders.

People from the Midwest are all intelligent and handsome.

[sinobball]

Yes, we've got similar stereotypes for US regions as well, as you know.

People from the South are all yokels.

People from the West Coast are all self-absorbed.

People from the East Coast are all big-spenders.

People from the Midwest are all intelligent and handsome.

Hahaha that's funny

In America though, stereotypes are more on the racial/ethnic basis while in China it's more on the regional basis, so they are not truly comparable. In America "regional accents" are not even that distinguishable, the only ones I can tell are New York (= Italian?), Boston, California (= dumb blonde valley girl), and of course Southern accents. In China who knows how many regional accents there are and many are unintelligible with one another...

[Alyosha12]

Take no offense. Or, actually, do. You can console yourself that Slovenia is better off than Serbia.

Haha honestly you have to be related to VS-666 in some way or may be you graduated from his school of making BS up and presenting it as fact. An honour student actually.

Well i don't really care lol I love living in my little periphery country where the quality of life is the same as in France and Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index

[Czarkazem13]

Besides, if ya'll really want to continue create a special thered ("Stereotypes"?) and spiel there.

Well ok then...

[Czarkazem13]

i understand reacton on joke, but jews also must understand that stereotype still stands

Hum, what's your point? Who argued it's not a stereotype?

but nut neceserly in antisemitic way

Then what way? You may have been joking and I'm not accusing you of any bigotry, but stereotypes come from prejudice, being prejudiced to Jews (or well Semites I guess) is antisemitism, so you lost me.

[Czarkazem13]

the one I don't get is, "Asians are yellow."

really, Am I blind or something 'cause the only yellow people I've ever seen are the Simpson and this little face right here: "" lol

Well, whites aren't really white and blacks aren't really black...

[Czarkazem13]

Most stereotypes, even "positive" stereotypes, can become negative stereotypes.

I think Goga is right that there is a difference between a Jew telling jokes about Jews and a ____ telling jokes about Jews. I can't really explain why. I mean, people have the right to call themselves whatever they want. I can't explain why.

But Goga, I think your wrong about the Mexican stereotype of Mexicans being hairy, machista, and horny is harmful. Of course it can misconstrued eventually as being "Mexicans are rapists." I think those kinds of stereotypes have led to a lot of the anti-Latino sentiments in the US, just like the stereotype of a Jew being greedy led to anti-Jewish sentiments over the centuries. But, I'm sure you didn't mean any harm from saying that, just like Elaj didn't mean any harm either.

I have to respectually disagree. All stereotypes are negative because all stereotypes take away from the individuality of the person, as if they have to be a certain way to be truly of that group.

BTW, Mexicans known for being "hairy" much less "horny" (I though that was Puerto Ricans.

I also have know problem with a goy telling jokes about Jews, but it all depends on the goy (or the joke for that matter). For one, it has to be funny. A racy joke that isn't funny, just comes off bigotted. Plus, you can always tell when someone is joking about something they know or making a joke out of ignorance.

[Czarkazem13]

People from the Midwest are all intelligent and handsome.

You mean overweight and slow.

[elaj]

If you'd use your brain from time to time, you'd know that this stereotype has nothing to do with reality and never had. blablablabla... continues.... more blablabla.... not finished yet... blablablabla... continues....

It is a stereotype - Jews are greedy. Stereotype here in Europe. I made a Jewish stereotype joke. Let's all make sense of Jewish stereotypes.

Again, like it or not, I don't give a fuck. I won't even defend myself because I didn't do or mean anything wrong.

There is also a stereotype of Montenegrins being lazy (What does a Montenegrin do after he wakes up? Sits down because that was so damn tiring.) and Bosnians being dumb (Mujo and Haso jokes).

Of course in reality the situation is very different (no shit, huh?!) but still this is the stereotype.

If it makes me rasist or antisemitic in your eyes or eyes of some random Jew, I couldn't give a fuck more. I know for a fact that I don't hate Israel, Jews or Israelis - and you keep conviencing people that I am a Jew hater.

I don't agree with Israeli politics and behaviour towards some other people (we all know who I am talking about) and if that makes me Israeli hater... then I guess something is very wrong with you. I guess I am not allowed to disagree on things and have my opinion? I guess I am also a Croat hater since I don't agree with their politics towards Slovenia?

You are clearly a Jewish fanatic and everything what I'll say about Israel will be wrong. I guess Bosnians also suffered genocide becuase they are stereotyped as not that smart.. and Serbs on Srebrenica region decided to kill all dumb people...

That's not a stereotype that could be compared with blondes. Blondes didn't get massacred by Cossaks at a six-figure rate, blondes didn't go into gas chambers because they were blondes. There are harmless national stereotypes, like Mexican men being all sweat, hairy and horny but such stereotypes haven't cost human life.

It is a stereotype. How can you even seperate a stereotype? Yes, OK, you can seperate it between a positive and a negative one. Sure, but how can you seperate between a negative ones? There is a clear stereotype that Gypsies steal and Jews are greedy. What does this have to do with Jews suffering holocaust. It's a stereotype. Get over it.

Man, you really have no clue, what's the difference between harmless stereotypes, everything could laugh about and that often stem from the respective nations themselves and blood libels.

Are you ashamed of your stereotype?

Start laughing about "special Slovenian treats". Maybe there aren't any as your nation hasn't distinguished itself throughout its history?

Or maybe you just aren't that smart as you think you are?

[Lewis]

so Goga, then according to you Antisemitism and Freedom of Speech are the same thing, right

[Alyosha12]

so Goga, then according to you Antisemitism and Freedom of Speech are the same thing, right

Noo nooo, 2 very different things really, you have all the freedom you want as long as you don't say anything bad about Israel, its army, its actions, and its politics, and as long as you don't say anything bad about him or any jewish person.

And for you to imply so subtle that he is wrong is Antisemetic, so be careful!

[elaj]

Noo nooo, 2 very different things really, you have all the freedom you want as long as you don't say anything bad about Israel, its army, its actions, and its politics, and as long as you don't say anything bad about him or any jewish person.

And for you to imply so subtle that he is wrong is Antisemetic, so be careful!

It's called the jewish persecution syndrome - thou shall not speak ill of the Jews or they will mention the holocaust and remind you that everything you say against them is antisemetic! Hey, that's another Jewish stereotype?!

[Alyosha12]

It didn't start with the Holocaust either. No nation before was exterminated in such a fashion and such numbers just because people belonged to it. This wasn't a war over some disputed territory, a war of two armies. This was extermination of civilian population not because of what it did but because of who members of it were from their birth on.

Are you kidding LOL? No nation ever before was exterminated just because people belonged to it? Are you really kidding? Honestly i don't know why i went back through this thread, iw as just bored i guess, but i am happy i did to catch your little gem.

It seems you really do have a victim complex if you believe this or may be you are just ignorant in history in any case i won't help you out, do some research on your own and use google a bit that might help lol.

Just from the top of my head i could name at least 5 civiliazations and peoples who were exterminated in such way.

[sinobball]

1) Stereotypes are not offensive. It's normal human behavior to characterize other people whose customs and behaviors differ from theirs. What's offensive is discrimination based on stereotypes. Mixing the two things together is idiotic.

2) Most stereotypes are true. There is a reason they are the way they are. Sure Yao Ming doesn't fit the "Chinese are short" description but as a whole the statement is true (relative to the Western population).

3) Some stereotype jokes are not funny to those targeted and can certainly evoke negative feelings particularly when they are ignorant. If you are offended, just say so and move on. No need to give history lessons. Every single group in history has had members being killed in one way or another.

[Fedfan]

-Blonde women are stupid.

Totally true.

Also
-Virgos are pathetic.
Now that's mine,but also true.

[mvblair]

I have to respectually disagree. All stereotypes are negative because all stereotypes take away from the individuality of the person, as if they have to be a certain way to be truly of that group.

I agree with that.

I also have know problem with a goy telling jokes about Jews, but it all depends on the goy (or the joke for that matter). For one, it has to be funny. A racy joke that isn't funny, just comes off bigotted. Plus, you can always tell when someone is joking about something they know or making a joke out of ignorance.

It's all relative and contextual, yes.

You mean overweight and slow.

Take that back you son of #$%@ing @#$% &#@!!