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Despite of being sick and tired of Maccabi crushing BSL teams 30+ average , I don't see any future for this Mediterranean league
The main reason : playing in two international leagues would require a lot of travel -> twice a week. One day for the flight and recovery , second day - game , third day - flight home and recovery. Having 2 games a week , means 2*3=6 days a week of non-stop travel
Of course it maybe synchronized with EL/EC schedule to ensure no 2 road game in the same week, but it's a very tricky task and not always possible.
Besides , after watching enough VTB league, I could tell that there no high intensity play-offs style atmosphere , usually it's "no defense" summer league games with players trying to figure out what the heck they're playing for
The level of bball in Lebanon is constantly improving (at least this can be said of our League this year since it's very competitive and we have very good imports that have signed to play in the Lebanese League this season).
(Just for comparison regarding imports for your info.... Lee Nailon played in the Lebanese league 3 years ago and he was a good import player but not the best we've seen in Lebanon)
Other Arab leagues.... In Syria it's fine but not at it's best... Jordan's league since there's no financing is now in a very bad situation.
As for our top teams being able to be competitive in the Mediterranean League definitely that's a no-no
Considering that the Israeli league is not as strong as Greek or Turkish league I do believe that the Lebanese champions can compete against the good teams in the Israeli league "hypothetically speaking" (definitely excluding Maccabi Tel Aviv).
We could probably also compete with Keravnos and Lukoil Academic but that's it.
nlb league is played with intesity.....because it brings lot of things to clubs (besides nymburk)...so if this and vtb league should bring something besides glory and fameBesides , after watching enough VTB league, I could tell that there no high intensity play-offs style atmosphere , usually it's "no defense" summer league games with players trying to figure out what the heck they're playing for
Adriatic league is a success because it's a direct successor of Yugoslav League : you guys are still fighting your old battles.
If it was something unrelated and artificial like VTB , let's say Cibona, Nymburk, Prokom, Azovmash , Zadar , Kalev ; I doubt it would generate the same public interest as Adriatic League
Besides, IIRC all NLB league teams are within 3-4 hours of a bus ride : the meaning - no flights and renting hotels needed .
sure nobady would care (and doesn't for nymburk) for kalev, avzomash...but did for maccabi
and sure our past positive and negative surle efects (suprisingley mostley positive as basketball was always something else here) itrest and itensity, but tot crutial. at first some old rivalys were relived (many of them were boycoting league), but then evryone stoped care about league untill leuge established national standings, point system for euroleague, way to play eurocup and last club droping out....and is developing...now all games are broadcasted, 2nd league should be opend and more and more people recognize this as positive stuff
just to understand, how high the top teams budget can get there?The level of bball in Lebanon is constantly improving (at least this can be said of our League this year since it's very competitive and we have very good imports that have signed to play in the Lebanese League this season).
(Just for comparison regarding imports for your info.... Lee Nailon played in the Lebanese league 3 years ago and he was a good import player but not the best we've seen in Lebanon)
Other Arab leagues.... In Syria it's fine but not at it's best... Jordan's league since there's no financing is now in a very bad situation.
As for our top teams being able to be competitive in the Mediterranean League definitely that's a no-no
Considering that the Israeli league is not as strong as Greek or Turkish league I do believe that the Lebanese champions can compete against the good teams in the Israeli league "hypothetically speaking" (definitely excluding Maccabi Tel Aviv).
We could probably also compete with Keravnos and Lukoil Academic but that's it.
i know,we (israel) are very lucky to play in
european competitions...bball is not strong in asia compare to europe.
a question to all bball fans in asia:
there is someting like euroleague in asia? and if there is what are the strongest teams in that competition?
also can you rank the best local leagues (level and attention) and national teams.?(top 5 would be enough)
the reason why the Mediterranean League would be a success is the teams in it.
the teams are bigger and so is the attention.
an actuall league with playoff and a regular seasons will be just awsome
Riyadi usually has the highest budget amongst Lebanese teams and this year their budget was over $2 million U.S (1.47 Million Euros).just to understand, how high the top teams budget can get there?
i know,we (israel) are very lucky to play in
european competitions...bball is not strong in asia compare to europe.
a question to all bball fans in asia:
there is someting like euroleague in asia? and if there is what are the strongest teams in that competition?
also can you rank the best local leagues (level and attention) and national teams.?(top 5 would be enough
How does that compare to teams in Israel (not mentioning Maccabi Tel Aviv)?
Loren Woods who is playing with Riyadi is getting $300,000 (220,530 Euros) this season (excluding bonuses and other benefits) and considering that our season is approx. 6 months that amounts to $50,000 (36,755 Euros per month)
The team doesn't show the exact budget figures but this article talks about salaries of basketball players in the Middle East (check the video on the page as well.. They talk with American bball players in the Lebanese League specifically Woods)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...744675714.html
We don't have a Euroleague per se... This year we started with the West Asian Basketball Superleague where the best teams from Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Yemen play one another and the top positions qualify to the Asian championship for clubs (check this thread here)
http://forums.interbasket.net/f22/wa...e-track-14811/
The Asian Championship for clubs includes the best teams in Asia play each other (excluding the East Asian teams like those from Korea, Japan, China who haven't partaken in this tournament for almost 10 years now) but this whole tournament lasts approx. 10 days
The minimum budget in BSL is 4.2M NIS ~ $1.2M . Nearly half of the league has this order of budget. There are 3-4 clubs like Hapoel Jerusalem, Bnei HaSharon, Maccabi Haifa that have $4-5M budgets .
Surprisingly the money gaps are non-existent on the floor, for example Maccabi Haifa with $4M budget is currently the last team with 3/12 win/loss record
It must be said that in Israel taxes for foreigners' sport contracts are rather small ~25% , with usual tax of ~45% , so 1.2M team in Israel probably means $2M team in Spain .
Thanks for the info and insight.The minimum budget in BSL is 4.2M NIS ~ $1.2M . Nearly half of the league has this order of budget. There are 3-4 clubs like Hapoel Jerusalem, Bnei HaSharon, Maccabi Haifa that have $4-5M budgets .
Surprisingly the money gaps are non-existent on the floor, for example Maccabi Haifa with $4M budget is currently the last team with 3/12 win/loss record
It must be said that in Israel taxes for foreigners' sport contracts are rather small ~25% , with usual tax of ~45% , so 1.2M team in Israel probably means $2M team in Spain .
OT: By the way how are you with Euroleague refs
This guy was the main ref in yesterdays semifinal game for Sagesse (Lebanon) and Ittihad (Egypt) in the Dubai tournament and he screwed us over big time... Moreover I swear he looks like Shmuel Bachar even though I really doubt they would bring an Israeli referee to the UAE
lol ''Shmuel ''...yea Sami lookes a little bit like this guy but im 100 % sure its not him...this guy lookes italian.Thanks for the info and insight.
OT: By the way how are you with Euroleague refs
This guy was the main ref in yesterdays semifinal game for Sagesse (Lebanon) and Ittihad (Egypt) in the Dubai tournament and he screwed us over big time... Moreover I swear he looks like Shmuel Bachar even though I really doubt they would bring an Israeli referee to the UAE
the funny thing is that Sami retired from the israely league do to legal issue and was known to still judge in international games ''far away from the country''..
so i really thought about this over.
but really what are the odds that an israelly judge will be in this tournument?
(im sure alot of people in lebanon were like '' the jew made us loose...wait a second...why he would want us to loose againts egypt?)
so another question...what is consider to be the biggest clubs in asia? (i do it to compare with europe) for example in eurpe its olympiakus and pana (with close to 50 M $ budget) barcelona.madrid...(alot of spain teams) .maccabi. siena. efes...
Man in Europe the information is all clear and the salaries are mentioned and published so you can easily see them. In Asia it's much more difficult to get such figures and details.
What I can tell you though is that in China they pay the highest salaries for their import players but the same can't be said for the local players even though I still think the Chinese teams have the highest budgets for teams in Asia followed probably by Iran.
For example Xinjiang Flying Tigers (Current leaders in CBA, China) have reportedly signed Quincy Douby for an amount of 350,000 US$ per month (approx. 257,215 Euros) and James Singleton for 250,000 US$ per month (183,725 Euros) but you have to remember that the Chinese league only lasts for 4 months so Douby's contract would be around 1.4 Million US$ (1.029 Million Euros) and 1 Million US$ (734,900 Euros) for Singleton.
I don't have proof of these salaries but they were mentioned from Chinese posters here in IBN but I do believe they are somewhat accurate.
Steve Francis before he was released by his team in China had reportedly signed for 800,000 US$ (587,920 Euros) for the whole season (here's the link and they also mention that he's not the highest paid player in China)
http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terr...l-highest-paid
The tricky part is how much the local Chinese players get paid as there is no data for this.
As for Iran, the defending Champions Mahram reportedly had a budget of over 6 Million US$ (4.41 Million Euros) last season but again I don't have valid sources to prove this.
By the way I forgot to mention in my last post that for Riyadi (Lebanon) this budget (2 Million US$ is just internal and doesn't include the budget for when they participate in external competitions and sometimes get the services of other players so it could be safe to assume that the overall budget of Riyadi for the whole season is closer to 3 Million US$)
I also don't have any info. on what are the budgets for teams in leagues like Japan and South Korea since they have a good level for their imports...
Anyways hope I was able to help out with the limited info. and sources that I have.
Very few people in Lebanon follow the Euroleague so they wouldn't know who Bachar is in the first place... Actually I just happen to know him since he officiated the Euroleague final in Paris between Barca and Olympiakos
thx for the info
you are wrong about this ... its just two games in a week (Mediterranean League Euroleague), that means there is every week three options:Despite of being sick and tired of Maccabi crushing BSL teams 30+ average , I don't see any future for this Mediterranean league
The main reason : playing in two international leagues would require a lot of travel -> twice a week. One day for the flight and recovery , second day - game , third day - flight home and recovery. Having 2 games a week , means 2*3=6 days a week of non-stop travel
Of course it maybe synchronized with EL/EC schedule to ensure no 2 road game in the same week, but it's a very tricky task and not always possible.
Besides , after watching enough VTB league, I could tell that there no high intensity play-offs style atmosphere , usually it's "no defense" summer league games with players trying to figure out what the heck they're playing for
Two games at home this means you dont have to leave the city in general.
One home and one away ... not so bad It's just like we had until now.
Two away ... the team will take a plane from the first game to the second game .. in the NBA they do it all the time.
Damn, he does look like BacharThanks for the info and insight.
OT: By the way how are you with Euroleague refs
This guy was the main ref in yesterdays semifinal game for Sagesse (Lebanon) and Ittihad (Egypt) in the Dubai tournament and he screwed us over big time... Moreover I swear he looks like Shmuel Bachar even though I really doubt they would bring an Israeli referee to the UAE
How that ref screw you ?
Bachar was not a bad ref after all, bad refs don't officiate EL finals, I guess, but he has a few doubtful calls in his resume . The most famous being the 5th foul of Meir Tapiro a couple of min before the end of championship game between Jerusalem & MTA.
So a year ago, when Bachar was called to police for questions the whole country hold a breath , but at the end it turned out to be a boring case of tax evasion , not "thirty pieces of silver" for Tapiro's 5th foul
He called a lot of questionable fouls specifically on Sagesse's big men (Garnett Thompson, Darryl Watkins and Daniel Faris) who got into quick foul trouble and thus affecting the whole team. Meanwhile not many fouls were called on the Egyptian team.Damn, he does look like Bachar
How that ref screw you ?
Bachar was not a bad ref after all, bad refs don't officiate EL finals, I guess, but he has a few doubtful calls in his resume . The most famous being the 5th foul of Meir Tapiro a couple of min before the end of championship game between Jerusalem & MTA.
So a year ago, when Bachar was called to police for questions the whole country hold a breath , but at the end it turned out to be a boring case of tax evasion , not "thirty pieces of silver" for Tapiro's 5th foul
So Bachar is banned from "reffing" any games in the BSL league for good or just for some specific time frame?
he retired...and i hope he wont comeback
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