WAOW !!!
Strange thing (Traditional Greek Symptom): Greece has just qualified for the second round. But reading some comments here, it looked like Greece was already eliminated
Furthermore : it's easy to (re)write History after History has been set.
Why do you always want to delete the things ?
Because they are "newcomers" and they are in troubles, Sloukas, Pap, Mavroidis, Kaimakoglou (first time he has minutes) have to be delete of the History.
And of course, Charalambidis (not at P.G, sorry), Batis, Calathes P. and Pelekanos would be so great that this Greece would be a true favorite in any 1/4 final game...
You said in one your post that Kaimakoglou was a great player for this NT, that Sloukas was very talented, that Mavroidis was so underrated (although he had 13ranking in Euroleague with Maroussi)... and now these players are dead loss... Zouros was a good coach yesterday but a bad coach today...The Oscar going to Papanikolaou the player created by media...
You have some points somewhere else, but you exaggerate so often...
By the way, where have you seen Koufos playing at PF ?
Nevermind,
I still believe they can reach a quarter final game... and fight for behing in the 6.
Georgia is the team to beat of course. They have "great players", a good frontcourt line and maybe they will play "free".
Russia and Slovenia are supposedly the strongest opponents. In my opinion, Russia is the strongest one (since Mr K has recovered from injury... he is a great point forward, one of the best PF in Europe). Russia is so physical from SF to C.
If Greece managed to have a win against one of these two teams, it would be a great new. Maybe the "end" of all the sarcasms...
Of course, Greece has to improve more and more... They have two days to think and work.
Up to now, they played one "great" second half against Montenegro and one "great" first half against Croatia. These are the moments Greece had run, had some transition game and some easy baskets.
I think most of the people want to see this team a lot.
Sorry, this Greece was without Zisis.
I don't want to point Zisis for the pleasure... (I used to find him good...). It's just a fact that he is very bad since the preparation games.
Calathes had his bad moments (shooting, commiting fouls or making turnovers) but he is the only of our guards who can run, create, eliminate opponent, and gain fouls (it's always good to be gain "easy fouls"). And, I think he's playing better game after game.
It's obvious Zisis is in a bad shape. He has lost confidence. He throws bricks or airballs and he does not show any signs of trust, security when the game is close... Wtf is he penetrating with Barac waiting for him, behind the rim ?!!!!
Zisis is a non-shooting guard... so being the backup of Calathis is perhaps the best thing.... I prefer to see in a second option : Zisis-Vassiliadis-Bramos for example than Calathes-Zisis-Bramos/Vass... the best line being : Calathes-Vass-Bramos/Pap
Zouros must see that Zisis is a "problem" but in the same time, he is one of the "leader"... Hard to put him a long time outside.
He shot well from ft to be fair.
The second point of issue is Bouroussis performance... If he does not recover, Greece would have big problems against big guys (for a chance Russia has "just" Mozgov, Slovenia Lorbek... but humm).
Greece needs a great and healthy Bouroussis... and unselfish.
The less he is in shape the more he plays for himself... and the more he speaks...
In preparation it was nice seing him giving some assists, fixing the defense, shooting from mid range... Now, he eats the clock and take a bad shot.
Some other players can play better and give much more... : Bramos a little bit more in offense. Papanikolaou is so stressed, always eating his fingers... but he took 3 off rebounds that helped the team. He just does his work.
Kaimakoglou is too shy, doesn't believe in his quality and underperforms.
These guys just lack confidence... the kind of confidence Zisis, Bourousis, Fotsis, Calathes have to embody.
Do you notice how Fotsis (thank you for showing the way this afternoon) is irritated in this tournament... he is excessed with all the stupid mistakes the team do... Bouroussis speaking a lot as usual... I hope the team is well united...
very good Achelim!
I saw Bramos yesterday to hesitate to go for the dunk and prefer to shoot ,our guys are afraid the phisical contact in offence (but not in defense).
I would orefer Charalambidis instead of Sloukas but the first is free and the second is Olympiakos...
Zisis in the past two games 1/17 FGs
Greece in the past two games: 2-0 against Croatia and Montenegro. All runs of the team took place when Zisis was out. All struggles and opponents' comebacks took place when Zisis was in
Enough said
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I think Zisis is much better playing PG than SG, he is just inefficient as a scorer. To put it mildly. As a playmaker, even though he is slow, he is decent and can run a half-court offense ok.
Not quite true.. It was a clear strategic decision to use Zisis as point for most of the first half vs Croatia, to minimize errors and run the offense without being static. Like it often happened with Spanoulis, Zisis has trouble scoring when he is playing point guard, made a few bad decisions (penetrations), but he was invaluable - even though not in his best shape. This team needs all three of the 'older' players in order to get anywhere.Originally Posted by wardjdim
Zisis in the past two games 1/17 FGs
Greece in the past two games: 2-0 against Croatia and Montenegro. All runs of the team took place when Zisis was out. All struggles and opponents' comebacks took place when Zisis was in
Enough said
MVPZisis in the past two games 1/17 FGs
Greece in the past two games: 2-0 against Croatia and Montenegro. All runs of the team took place when Zisis was out. All struggles and opponents' comebacks took place when Zisis was in
Enough said
For the opponents.
Some positives I guess.
Somebody else mentioned this the other day, Greece leads the tournament so far with most rebounds and blocked shots, and is third in points allowed (not that much of a suprise) and third in FT% too. We're not bad in steels either, so there is a lot of effort put out there by the team.
Speaking of who our best player is so far, based on statistics, Fotsis is amazing. He simply is doing everything and with little wasteage. His rebounds are a little low if I'm going to be picky.
http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid...eamID_291.html
All of the Greek stats are a bit irrelevant because we were in an "easy" group.
Slovenia & Russia are higher rated than any team of Group C...
After all, GNT is as good as we (logically thinking) expected to be.
The unexpected factor was FYROM.
For Greece, advancing to SF would be a miracle. We didn't count on that -of course. But we (at least,I) hopped for an easier "pairing" after that game.
Serbia or Russia would be (probably) our opponent for the 5th-6th place
The hope flaps its wings.
I prefer Serbia (Turkey would be even better) but in any case we should have an excess of our capability to beat any of them. And we are talking about a big excess.
Unfortunately, imo the dream of qualification for the Preolympic tournament died yesterday.
Hope I'm wrong.
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I read in Greek forums the absolute nonsense. That we might have lost this game on purpose, in order to avoid Lithuania in the SF
Russians, you lucky sobs, we spare you once more
Last edited by Adon; 09-11-2011 at 05:50 AM.
Who are you to judge?
After all, GNT is as good as we (logically thinking) expected to be.
The unexpected factor was FYROM.
For Greece, advancing to SF would be a miracle. We didn't count on that -of course. But we (at least,I) hopped for an easier "pairing" after that game.
Serbia or Russia would be (probably) our opponent for the 5th-6th place
The hope flaps its wings.
I prefer Serbia (Turkey would be even better) but in any case we should have an excess of our capability to beat any of them. And we are talking about a big excess.
Unfortunately, imo the dream of qualification for the Preolympic tournament died yesterday.
Hope I'm wrong.
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I read in Greek forums the absolute nonsense. That we might have lost this game on purpose, in order to avoid Lithuania in the SF
Russians, you lucky sobs, we spare you once more
Look, the only thing that we can do now is to hope. Anyway, in order to make it to this level, we need a big game. We have an advantage however, that if we lose the game we have a little more time to rest than our opponent.
Anyway, let's give it all heart and muscles, pray that everyone will have a big game and see if we have a little of "glory" left in the shirt.
don't worry we will take a wild card from FIBA for the Olympics
Guys. What is really missing from the Greek NT in order to become the number one candidate for gold medal in Eurobasket & Mundobasket is the superSTAR.
For example Spain has a great team, but with Gassol becomes even greater !!!
Greece has a lot of talented players, but we lack that kind of player.
In the other hand, there are other teams that do have the Super STAR player, but they don't have enough good players like Germany for example.
Spain right now combines everything. Good players and super stars.
Just imagine Greece having GALIS now!
Any way.
I hope Greek basketball to find the new Galis soon. A super star is what we really missing. By the looks of it, Greek basket will keep produce talented players.
The only thing we have to see for many years, is a player like Galis. I miss that guy ...
Also I miss Petrovic.
Last edited by Panathinaikos bc; 09-12-2011 at 01:22 PM.
with the poverty coming we will find a lot new Gallis...
we've learned living without Galis for 21 years now!
And apart from Spain/Germany...no other team has such a GoTo guy... even France with Parker...he's a great player. But not the one that will beat the opponent on his own...
Take a look at Lithuania...I'm sure they would like a new Sabonis/Marculionis or even Siscauskas. But you must admit they are doing quite well without them...
There will never be another Galis.
Poverty has nothing to do with finding talented players. Where there is a will there is a way. We just need more kids playing.
Because they play at home ground. I don't say that they don't have a good team. But if they were playing away, maybe things were different.
Of course we learned to live with out Galis. And after Galis era we won medals as well. But I will always miss him. Like Spanish will miss the Gassol. I don't think that they will produce another P.Gassol again. He is almost perfect.
So Galis was.
In tough games, in games that the ball becomes heavy, then we need the scorer.
Of course it's better to collect points from all your players instead of one, but when the ball is on fire, then u gonna need the classic scorer.
And Greece after Galis era didn't have one.
We didn't have Galis ,but we had Papaloukas. Diamantidis. They didn't achieve the star status Galis did, but they played some great games in the NT and won big.
So, in the end these guys had a chance to continue in the footsteps of previous GNT editions, but none of their offensive weapons
Fotsis failed to rise above the role of the luxury role player (imho he was the one that could have lifted this team a level higher than they deserved).
Calathes proved FEB correct and will need to work a lot on his weaknesses in order to be a decent successor of his illustrious predecessors.Koufos was decent but still has long way to go.Bramos is not a prospect, never was, i remember him playing for Peristeri showing no promise at all.The youngsters have a looong way to go too and Xanthopoulos, is well, Xanthopoulos.
Zouros showed he has a vision and a plan for this team but as all Greek coaches except for the despicable Ioannidis , is a poor in-game coach.
Oh and i forgot about my fav.Please kick Kaimakoglou out of GNT and PAO,if possible and let him take that other scrub Vouyioukas with him.
I'm so sick of his blue collar game and attitude and all the praise he's been getting by the press.
I loved watching him play as a youngster for Near East but that guy is the epitome of all the wrong things that Greek coaches want Greek bball to be.
I know the tournament hasn't ended yet but i won't be able to post for a week or so, so that's that.
Good luck snatching the pre-olympic tourney ticket from the claws of Mr ball-hitter.
Greece's performance was worse than I expected.Tony Parker was like a dead but Greece couldn't beat France
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