Is FIBA corrupt ?

[mark123]

I want your opinion on this vid:



I apologize for the last 25 sec. remark.I didnt make this vid.
BTW great job Peanutt,except for that movie clip.

[Delibasic]

serbia was robbed. no doubt about it. tis should have been serbia - usa final.

[elaj]

Ever heard of backfire?

[Hepcat]

I couldn't get past the gangsta rap. Who's the idiot that made this video anyway?

[pablonis]

1995, 2002?

Serbs, with all due respect, just shut up.

[SparrowHawk]

1995, 2002?

Serbs, with all due respect, just shut up.

What about 1995., ha???

We won 9/9, winning twice against your Lithuania in 10 days... We won again against Lithuania a year latter in OI, all with Sabonis.
Sabonis&Marciulionis&co simply were not good enough to match our players and bring a first gold to independent Lithuania, deal with that all ready.
1995. it wasn't the refs, it was this man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHl8vAhfE_M who beat you. I really don't understand a group of you crying here like a babies for a ONE non existing foul called on Sabonis.

About 2002. go, watch the game and then come hear and speak. As I said, in other topic, yes, there was a foul in that last attack, and yes Argentina was damaged by the refs, and if it was whistled Argentina would probably won the game, but the refs were not on our side through the game, and didn't do us any favor. So again, Argentina have something to complain about, but also I could show you at least a hundred of games when the foul could be called in the last attack and the refs don't call it.
In Turkey-Serbia match, there are simply to much of refs "mistakes", and if you can debut whether some fouls are existing or non existing, there was 2 clear fouls on Velickovic in last two attack for Serbia in last ten seconds similar to Argentina match, which were not called, and plus you have the illegal move by Tunceri seen by ref who is in front of him and watching him.

[artorius]

What about 1995., ha???

We won 9/9, winning twice against your Lithuania in 10 days... We won again against Lithuania a year latter in OI, all with Sabonis.
Sabonis&Marciulionis&co simply were not good enough to match our players and bring a first gold to independent Lithuania, deal with that all ready.
1995. it wasn't the refs, it was this man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHl8vAhfE_M who beat you. I really don't understand a group of you crying here like a babies for a ONE non existing foul called on Sabonis.

About 2002. go, watch the game and then come hear and speak. As I said, in other topic, yes, there was a foul in that last attack, and yes Argentina was damaged by the refs, and if it was whistled Argentina would probably won the game, but the refs were not on our side through the game, and didn't do us any favor. So again, Argentina have something to complain about, but also I could show you at least a hundred of games when the foul could be called in the last attack and the refs don't call it.
In Turkey-Serbia match, there are simply to much of refs "mistakes", and if you can debut whether some fouls are existing or non existing, there was 2 clear fouls on Velickovic in last two attack for Serbia in last ten seconds similar to Argentina match, which were not called, and plus you have the illegal move by Tunceri seen by ref who is in front of him and watching him.

again one sided comments.we accept refs favored Turkey,but Serbians never accept 95 and 02.always they think they are right.Ask any basketball fan out of Serbia for 95 02 and u ll get the reply.

[SparrowHawk]

again one sided comments.we accept refs favored Turkey,but Serbians never accept 95 and 02.always they think they are right.Ask any basketball fan out of Serbia for 95 02 and u ll get the reply.

Bravo on generalization, all Serbians.

I watched both games several times, and I would ask you to tell me exact situations where refs helped and pushed us over and over, beside last seconds of 2002. against Argentina, which was in our favor but I explained that pretty much and told you examples that if you watch I lot of basketball you would notice how rare are called not so obvious fouls in last seconds. So yes, they helped us, was it intentional and through the whole game? No, it was not, and if you think different, I expect to post some examples, because all is documented and could be find on youtube.

About Lithuania, those complains I don't even want to consider, they were not good enough to take a gold, they proved that 2 times in that championship, losing to us, and all they can complain is ONE bad foul called for Sabonis, there was bad calls on both sides, but they simple weren't good enough to bring Lithuania a first gold.

About Turkey, I never said you don't deserved a semifinal, in all topics I said you played brilliant until SF, you overachieved big time, because I consider you and results show it, that you are a QF team by strength, and I was very pleased to watch your players fight for their NT in their home court in those games, so yes you deserved a SF, but not a final.

At the end, about us, there could be complains, but the fact remains that we dominated basketball 1995.-2002.(of course NBA best team is always strongest), and you yet have to prove you deserve to be called a 2nd in the world, and you failed to do similar in Euro terms after Eurobasket 2001., so we will see what future holds.

[artorius]

Bravo on generalization, all Serbians.

I watched both games several times, and I would ask you to tell me exact situations where refs helped and pushed us over and over, beside last seconds of 2002. against Argentina, which was in our favor but I explained that pretty much and told you examples that if you watch I lot of basketball you would notice how rare are called not so obvious fouls in last seconds. So yes, they helped us, was it intentional and through the whole game? No, it was not, and if you think different, I expect to post some examples, because all is documented and could be find on youtube.

About Lithuania, those complains I don't even want to consider, they were not good enough to take a gold, they proved that 2 times in that championship, losing to us, and all they can complain is ONE bad foul called for Sabonis, there was bad calls on both sides, but they simple weren't good enough to bring Lithuania a first gold.

About Turkey, I never said you don't deserved a semifinal, in all topics I said you played brilliant until SF, you overachieved big time, because I consider you and results show it, that you are a QF team by strength, and I was very pleased to watch your players fight for their NT in their home court in those games, so yes you deserved a SF, but not a final.

At the end, about us, there could be complains, but the fact remains that we dominated basketball 1995.-2002.(of course NBA best team is always strongest), and you yet have to prove you deserve to be called a 2nd in the world, and you failed to do similar in Euro terms after Eurobasket 2001., so we will see what future holds.

ok u r right not all Serbians.But majority of them at the forum.

against Argentina, which was in our favor but I explained that pretty much and told you examples that if you watch I lot of basketball you would notice how rare are called not so obvious fouls in last seconds-so this is against rules.then i can easily say,majority of the refs dont call the stepping on line at the last 4 seconds against host nation.So what your comment is so stupid if it has rules it has rules.If u comment like that,then i can clean our victory on you.But noo no no,both were against basketball rules.So should be called.
95-02 team of yours was a dream team,and deserved to be on top or around.But this does not mean how refs called foul against sabonis for all 95 final(and one for very critical).your team would not need such a help from refs ,cause it was a great team.
watch 2001 eurobasket foul.i did not want to talk about it,and i wont.cause people can understand as wrong.so watch it again with a neautral mind please...(i dont say we were perfect and deserved and played well,just watch and decide about refs)

for you also what future holds.Dont wait that Teo will be Djordje and Chetnik Novica will be Honoured Bodiroga(yes honoured man a real sportman)...

[artorius]

ok u r right not all Serbians.But majority of them at the forum.

against Argentina, which was in our favor but I explained that pretty much and told you examples that if you watch I lot of basketball you would notice how rare are called not so obvious fouls in last seconds-so this is against rules.then i can easily say,majority of the refs dont call the stepping on line at the last 4 seconds against host nation.So what your comment is so stupid if it has rules it has rules.If u comment like that,then i can clean our victory on you.But noo no no,both were against basketball rules.So should be called.
95-02 team of yours was a dream team,and deserved to be on top or around.But this does not mean how refs called foul against sabonis for all 95 final(and one for very critical).your team would not need such a help from refs ,cause it was a great team.
watch 2001 eurobasket foul.i did not want to talk about it,and i wont.cause people can understand as wrong.so watch it again with a neautral mind please...(i dont say we were perfect and deserved and played well,just watch and decide about refs)

for you also what future holds.Dont wait that Teo will be Djordje and Chetnik Novica will be Honoured Bodiroga(yes honoured man a real sportman)...

watch 2001 eurobasket foul-watch 2001 eurobasket final.sorry

[Blackway]

1995, 2002?

Serbs, with all due respect, just shut up.

Karma

[seigle42]

i agree yes, in asian league was so too much like greek referee who technical foul on philippine team in tokushima and anything

[thegreekmeister]

Yes, there is shady business there, but I would not say its the "biggest robery", we saw plenty similar... This time it was hosts getting good calls from refs, but the one thing I hate the most - usa team being supported by the refs. They propbably could win without help, why does FIBA is aslicking them americans? Would not FIBA benefit by having the different champions? I mean it would draw so much attention and intrigue.. How do they benefit from USA being gold medalist that they help them so much??

[Test]

In 1995 was worst robbery ever. Anyone who is not delusional knows that Lithuania should win that game... However in 2010 Serbs definitely deserved finals. I see things with my own eyes and I trust my eyes more than some poster who claims I am wrong. I just can not understand why other countries don't even question FIBA officially? For example why Serbs didn't protest that clearly rigged game? Maybe they know that they can not do anything

[madmax]

I'm sorry , but serbians have no right to complain about rigged games, since they were the original FIBA golden boys - refs never whistled a bad call against them in a period when Stankovic was a head of international basketball. That period of 1995 - 2002 was one of the most corrupt periods in FIBA, when lobbying and fixing the matches was a common thing to do. Now back to this year and Turkey game, I believe the end result was just an incompetence of the refs, not the malicious intent to deliberately harm serbian team. If they were good enough, they would't even let turks to come back into the match and give them a glimmer of hope. It was a dogfight in the end and turks appeared to fear better in tight situations - that is all.

[artorius]

I'm sorry , but serbians have no right to complain about rigged games, since they were the original FIBA golden boys - refs never whistled a bad call against them in a period when Stankovic was a head of international basketball. That period of 1995 - 2002 was one of the most corrupt periods in FIBA, when lobbying and fixing the matches was a common thing to do. Now back to this year and Turkey game, I believe the end result was just an incompetence of the refs, not the malicious intent to deliberately harm serbian team. If they were good enough, they would't even let turks to come back into the match and give them a glimmer of hope. It was a dogfight in the end and turks appeared to fear better in tight situations - that is all.

i totally agree.Perfect comments.Thanks Madmax.This year in Semi finals Serbia Deserved the Final in the last minute.And yes in general AT THIS GAME -AT THIS GAME ONLY refs favoured us.But Serbians comments as,if there wont be refs we could smash Turks are poor comments.If they would be good enough they could smash us by +10.Without ref game gonna end Serbia leading 3-4 points.And in my opinion if both team plays 10 games for current rosters,5 for Turkey 5 for Serbia will be the end.
And yes Serbians are the last ones to complain about refs,when we remember 95 and 02.

[artorius]

In 1995 was worst robbery ever. Anyone who is not delusional knows that Lithuania should win that game... However in 2010 Serbs definitely deserved finals. I see things with my own eyes and I trust my eyes more than some poster who claims I am wrong. I just can not understand why other countries don't even question FIBA officially? For example why Serbs didn't protest that clearly rigged game? Maybe they know that they can not do anything

If they would gonna protest FIBA,they knew that they would gonna get reply sth like that.-ok u are right refs fu.ked up the last minute,but please don't complain about refs after 95 n 02.let the some other nation protests.

[mark123]

1995, 2002?

Serbs, with all due respect, just shut up.

1995 was clear victory of the Serbian team;2002 we got some help by the refs,especially in the last minute;only because we had players like Divac,Stojakovic and such players that were at the very end of their professional NT cariers.

[artorius]

1995 was clear victory of the Serbian team;2002 we got some help by the refs,especially in the last minute;only because we had players like Divac,Stojakovic and such players that were at the very end of their professional NT cariers.

stojakovic was at the very end of his pro NT carrier in 2002? are u drunk? or i misunderstood sth? he was 25 at this time and still playing as far as i know

[Filas]

When Stankovic was the head of FIBA, yougoslavian team had the help of refs in all the games they needed (I must admit, they didn't need much help in most of games, but when it was important, the refs were there to help them) and that was a big part of their success.

Nowdays it seems clear support goes only to home team and that is much better as each year the championship is in different country.

So I'd say now FIBA is less corrupt than before...