okay its 1:15 am here in china and i am tired as hell. i jsut spent beating my meat after some hot steamy phone sex(not really it was arguing with HSBC for being utter douchebags with why i dont want them to change my account without my approval)
but i am all for death penalty. it's a vague thing and perhaps i can get around to explaining my reasons.
oh the old chinese way of "hey you fuck up we do u by firing squad then send a bill and the bullet to the closest family relative so they can pay for the amount it cost to kill your degenarate ass, im all for it too.
don't be evil, and evil wont rape you in the ass like a prison sex
"A nationality that easily feels wronged is an insecure one, and one that will be difficult to progress."-Anonymous
How's this for punishment?
http://www.magicvalley.com/news/loca...tml?mode=storyT.F. woman sentenced to life for lewdness charge
ELKO, Nev. — A Twin Falls woman convicted of forcing a 13-year-old boy to touch her breasts was sentenced Monday to life in prison.
Michelle Lyn Taylor, 34, was convicted of lewdness with a minor under 14 in November after a week-long trial in Elko County, Nev., District Judge Mike Memeo’s courtroom.
With the conviction, Taylor faced a mandatory life sentence, and Memeo set parole eligibility after 10 years, the minimum sentence. If released on parole she must register as a sex offender and will be under lifetime supervision.
The district attorney’s office did not offer a plea agreement in the case, said public defender Alina Kilpatrick, who argued the sentence is unconstitutional and doesn’t fit the crime.
“The jury was not allowed to know the potential sentence in this case and the Legislature doesn’t know the facts,” she said, alluding to the minimum sentence set by the Legislature in Nevada Revised Statute.
Kilpatrick said despite the parole eligibility after 10 years, there should be no mistake that it’s a life sentence for Taylor.
“She is getting a greater penalty for having a boy touch her breast than if she killed him,” she said.
After he sentenced her, Memeo said he was bound by state statute to impose the life sentence, but said he isn’t sure why the prosecution chose to charge her under that statute.
District Attorney Gary Woodbury could not be reached for comment.
Taylor, who lived in Jackpot, Nev., at the time of the crime, kissed a friend’s child, forced him to touch her breast and asked him to have sex with her in February 2008.
Taylor claimed she was intoxicated and doesn’t remember what happened that night. She told jurors she roughhoused with the boy, but didn’t force him to touch her inappropriately.
Die Liebe wird eine Krankheit, wenn man sie als eine Heilung sieht
Artificial Nature
I'm surprised that Israel is so soft on crime...It's the home of Mossad and other agencies for mass ass kicking.
About Bulgaria, if the criminal is unlucky and gets to the courts he is going to get slapped with the almighty "podpiska"(he must ask the police for permission to leave his town/city, otherwise he is free to roam around), if during his roaming around, the crim rapes a child and blows up a bank - here it comes the 100 euro bail. The sentence itself is really inhumane - 3-5 years provisional release
Of course there are exeptions. One poor sod got 4 years in jail, because he entered into the yard(that looked like a jungle) of an uninhabited house and started cutting wood for the winter...the Police(4 guys in 2 police cars) stormed out of the mist(Rambo style) and threw the book at him... the same policemen were nowhere to be found when 3 guys were robbing my grandmas neighbours.
I feel that the jail is an useless institution that only helps the criminals(just like janos said). I'd rather have corporal punishments and heavy fines(if the criminal cannot pay it - here it comes the good'ole chain gang for 10 cents a day
Edit. I forgot the say that the lawmakers, prosecutors and lawyers in Bulgaria pass through serious brainwashing process that start from their first uni lection.
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Since this article is relevant to the topic...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/..._israel_katsavEx-Israeli president Katsav sentenced to 7 years
Welcome to America...Originally Posted by rikhardur
unless chinese authorities have a change of heart, 3 filipino drug couriers (2 of them female) will be executed in china tomorrow. they have been tried and found guilty of drug trafficking under chinese laws.
now i am not about to question the harshness of this penalty. after all, it involved a great deal of drugs. as a sovereign state, china has all the right to impose on non-citizens the full force of its laws, however backward or inhuman it may be for some of us. however, it left me thinking -- what good will these deaths bring in the overall scheme of things? not too great, i guess. just 3 dead filipinos. after you kill these drug mules, others will just take their stead like the legendary Immortals of the Persian Empire.Why? most of these drug mules are dirt-poor individuals who are easily lured by the promise of a better life. killing a dozen of them will not hinder drug trafficking in and out of china as there are millions of these people in asia and africa who will always be susceptible to the fake promises of established drug syndicates.
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time to focus on my own battles.
Dirt-poor = daredevils?
You ask what good killing those scumbags will do. Just look at Singapore, China should do it hard-core like them.
http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/a...be-hanged.html
http://www.wiserearth.org/article/cf...10464887b2bcb8
2008 WDR Report: Prevalence of Drug Abuse (%)With all these efforts, Singapore has one of the lowest prevalence of drug abuse worldwide, even though it has not been entirely eliminated.
Opiates
USA, 0.6
Philippines, 0.05
Singapore, 0.005
Cocaine
USA, 3.0
Philippines, 0.03
Singapore, 0.0002
Cannabis
USA, 12.2
Philippines, 4.2
Singapore, 0.005
Amphetamines
Philippines 6.0
USA, 1.6
Singapore 0.005
Ecstasy
USA, 1.0
Philippines 0.2
Singapore 0.003
You can call it barbaric all you want but there are stats to prove it's effective.
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aim low, score high
if i were a chinese triad drug overlord who had access to the chinese government i'd have these "scumbags" executed too for getting caught. but of course, there are no such criminals in the chinese government as strict chinese laws have already dettered them from penetrating it.
seriously, i think chinese laws should prevail over the sentimentalities of people. dura lex sed lex. it doesnt matter whether in actual truth these drug mules are themselves victims of big drug syndicates. actual truths have no place in legal proceedings, i can understand that. it doesnt matter whether these drug mules acted only on instinct, perhaps thinking only of the financial future of their families. the law doesnt distinguish. what matters in legal proceedings are legal truths. and if under chinese laws the legal truth of their culpability was established beyond reasonable doubt, then by all means kill them.
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time to focus on my own battles.
the 3 filipinos were finally executed in china by lethal injection.
it's interesting to note that during the marcos regime drug trafficking was punishable by death by firing squad. perhaps the most celebrated execution was that of a chinese scumbag named lim seng whose execution was even televised on national tv. the philippines has since abolished death penalty in 2006 by virtue of Republic Act 9346. A legislative act hailed by Amnesty International as a triumph of conscience, it paved the way to the commutation to life sentences of more than a thousand death row inmates.
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time to focus on my own battles.
Another issue that came up twice to the headlines in the last two weeks is the tendency of the persecution to avoid trial and to make agreements with the defense, which in many cases ends with extremely light punishments.
Also in the ex-president Moshe Katzav it would be the same if he wouldn't return from the agreement himself.
In these two cases the family of the victims wasn't even asked for agreement and they protested about that.
The main reason is that the courts are loaded with cases and they don't stand the pace.
Not so long ago an judge put end to his life explaining that the load decided him. It came out that he got warnings and implies that he might be fired for not standing the pace. But others who talked about him said that he worked much more then others and he simply was a perfectionist and wasn't able to confirm with the common attitude (and even an order from above) that it's OK to make mistakes, the upper courts will fix them if there is an appeal.
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I'm for hard punishments like with the drug dealers, and I would apply this to many other crimes that are done with full intention and cause non-fixable harm.
I believe at the end of the day it bring to situation when less people die or their quality of life being damaged, and among those who will, the amount of innocent people will be much smaller.
People should know that there are things that they don't do like they are not jumping into a fire, because there are clear consequences and not making calculations of profit vs risk.
I don't think I'm cruel. I'm just want to stop cruelty as and profitable behavior.
I agree. Do it hard core like Singapore! Drugs ruin everything. England is overrun with scumbag drug dealers and users. A big problem here and it seems is catching on elsewhere in the western world is that cannabis and to some extent cocaine are not 'real drugs' anymore. Police will catch people in a club or on the street with some but just let them go as its only enough for 'personal use'... that maybe so but some scumbag dealer is still profiting from that 'personal use amount'. Partly I blame US music industry and the movies. Why is it acceptable for some black convict US rapper to earn millions per year and being idolised by millions making drugs, guns and gangs looks cool and glamorised?
Laws don't work in democratic countries, and people who go on and on about 'death penalty and torture' being inhumane, well what about the victims, what about the abused children and so on, isnt that inhumane? This subject annoys me because it will never change. It's nice to see people who have similar views atleast there are some good left!
Back to the drugs, with all the problems trying to stop the main drug gangs and cartels and what not.. easy assassinate the heads of such organisations. If they are then replaced, repeat untill it stops. F*ck evidence and trials and all that nonsense!
@ ip84 and gazzw87
Who is more dangerous for the society? A drug dealer or an arms dealer?
What is causing more deaths? Cocaine and heroin or alcohol and tobacco?
Stop being so conventional.
Prohibition generates crime and abjection (and huge profits for the dealers). Self-destructive people will always exist; no law can protect them.
What did history teach us, regarding the prohibition of alcohol in the US?
Try to generalize those conclusions.
Who are you to judge?
You mean illegal arm dealer?
Why is it matter who is more dangerous? It may be different from case to case. Both should be punished in a way they won't think that the crime pays off.
No, I mean any arms dealer (countries included
Let me put it this way:
If you could choose, would you prefer a world without drugs or a world without guns? Either choice is not realistic though.
What is crime and what iis not, is relative. In an Islamic country, selling beer to locals is a crime. Selling weed in the Netherlands, is not. Try to see the big picture.
Who are you to judge?
Well, it's a topic for a different discussion. It would be better if nobody had guns (nor anything else that can be used as a weapon) but nobody wants his enemy (countries, local criminals etc) to have better/more weapon that him or the police in his area.No, I mean any arms dealer (countries included
Let me put it this way:
If you could choose, would you prefer a world without drugs or a world without guns? Either choice is not realistic though.
What is crime and what iis not, is relative. In an Islamic country, selling beer to locals is a crime. Selling weed in the Netherlands, is not. Try to see the big picture.
So unless there are rules regarding who can and who cannot sell or have weapon, except rules within each country, it's hard to define who makes crime... And one's opinion would depend on whose side he is at...
Anyway, in this topic we discuss the laws and punishments within countries, so only illegal dealers are relevant.
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In western countries, Something is different but not everything... Many people know OJ Simpson case... He bought justice with his money in USA!!! If you have money, you are powerful in anyywhere
What I wanted to point out - and I believe that is relevant with this discussion- is that I think that you (among others) consider drug dealers to be the worst kind of criminals ; you want more strict laws about them, as if the utopia is a place without drugs.
Well, people will always want some kind of psychoactive substances. Alcohol, caffeine, hashish, peyote, hallucinogenic mushrooms, tranquilizers, cocaine, tobacco, datura, opium and many other drugs, were always present in all cultures (not all at the same time of course). People want them, so -under any circumstances- some people will merchadize them. If they are illegal drugs, then, the dealers are "de jure" criminals.
A liberal would say that anything should be legal and of certified quality. The state should ensure the provision under conditions, taxes would be payed, anyone could choose his poison and no criminal activity would be possible.
It seems to me a more reasonable policy than :
"I'm for hard punishments like with the drug dealers,..."
or
"...easy assassinate the heads of such organisations. If they are then replaced, repeat untill it stops. F*ck evidence and trials and all that nonsense!
Sometimes you stop crime with more liberal laws and not with more strict punishment. I repeat. Think about the American prohibition of alcohol and the criminal activity because of that.
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Who are you to judge?
I didn't claim that they are of the worse kind, just mentioned them as example.
I don't have any opinion about drugs. Personally I've never touched drugs and barely drink alcohol and I know that I responsible for myself and any social pressure wouldn't cause me to do what I don't want to do. I also don't like to tell other what they should and should not do. People should be responsible for themselves... at least to some extent.
On the other hand, these people become later a burden on the society in many ways. And there are many kids and stupid people who don't have brain to know what they are doing and take heavy drugs.
So each country decide it's laws, considering the cons and pros.
That's is true that there is no universal and excepted by all good and bad, but the laws are applicable for all, and without this condition there would be anarchy and people would take the law into their hand and revenge by themselves (instead of going to the court).
Anyway, you missed my point... drug dealers was just an example of crime that is done with full intention and consciousnesses, and people who make it consider it worthiness. This is unlike even some of the murderers that don't make the crime for profit but for other reasons.
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