hendrix first half with spirou is somethin impossible to describe. even in italian second division u cant see so dramatic errors. why sofo is not on court tonight?
maybe u all understand why i deeply asked for a c
Last edited by maccabeo; 11-17-2011 at 06:41 PM.
Ah, shut up! Even though he is playing horrible basketball today, he still has 6 pts., 2 reb in 5 minutes and 50% FG. Today everyone on MTA is sleeping. Sofo is apparently sick.Originally Posted by maccabeo
burnstein
Man, Eliyahu, Farmar, Sofo, Hendrix and Smith was sick/had a injury.
Have a little bit sympathy
Why Sofo was playing only 16 mins against Hapoel?
fact:
james not considered
papa not considered
ohayon as second pg!!!
hendrix ---------
langford---------
smith---------
how can mta get playoffs with such a team??
things that surprise me, is blatt. it was clear james and ppa wasnt player for el , clear that ohayon hs no points in his hands. clear that tal is gone and that langford wasnt the player we needed. why he accepted this roster?
end of 3th quarter
dan peterson from "sportitaliatv": "i can t understand how can blatt let ohayon play"
Yogev did an amazing job running our offense, he just keeps on getting better and better, 5 great assists and good job on defense including 2 steals.
Hendrix, the guy you keep on bashing had 2 crucial blocks in the last 1:30 that without them maybe we wouldn't have won, his stat line of 7p 5r 3b is anything but bad for a back-up C. And Papaloukas didn't play because he is ill that's also the reason why missed yesterday's practice.
Smith did a great job on defense and his confidence in offense seem to rise, he also is a good rebounder, I like what he gives to the team and I believe that his statline (shooting-wise) will improve as more games will be played.
How can MTA get to playoff with such team? The same way we lead the group of death with such team. When we get to playoffs I will enjoy a good laugh reading your comment telling us about how this was another miracle (man, miracles sure are a common thing when it comes to Maccabi, at least if we listen to you) and if we reach the final four (I don't wanna get ahead of myself but I won't be surprised if it happens) your comments will be even funnier to read.
goga78 on IBN after the game: "I can't understand, why Dan Peterson is doing the play-by-play for Euroleague on TV, as he clearly has no clue about what is going on with Maccabi Tel-Aviv".
Throughout the first three quarters, Ohayon was clearly playing the better game than Farmar. In the last ten minutes, Farmar started his scoring spree, while Ohayon assisted him on his baskets. Ohayon has played himself into the rotation because he is oing a good job. There is even no argument about it. He makes every teammate around him better, he plays defense, he orchestrates the offense even better than Farmar does because Farmar's quality of game depends on the number of points he scores, while Ohayon doesn't have to score much to keep his team ahead.
Funny thing, but Ohayon is the second best rebounder, second best assister and fourth best in EFF on this team and is playing less than 18 mpg. In the four games in a row, when he is getting consistent minutes, Maccabi wins every game, while Ohayon is orchestrating Maccabi's offense with easy, averaging 5.3 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.8 apg, 1.5 spg and only 0.8 tpg, while having an EFF of 11.8, while his stats don't even show the whole picture. BTW, he is forcing more foul than he is committing. His shooting clearly isn't good but since he doesn't shoot much, it doesn't hurt Maccabi
Why did Blatt accept this roster? All of the current players, except Burstein, were his own signings. No one would forego Blatt in this department. He wanted Henrix, he wanted James, he wanted Smith, he wanted Ohayon. If he wouldn't give Green light to Langford, Maccabi would not have signed him.
Of course, he would prefer Eidson over Smith but Eidson bolted away for a salary, Maccabi wasn't willing to pay, although I think, Maccabi could come up with a better offer for him. But money was not the only issue. In Barca, Eidson doesn't have to take as much responsibility upon himself and he welcomed such an opportunity.
Maccabi can't close out games early and doesn't have an identity as last year's team but it is leading its group an stands 5-1 now. Good enough for me.
I don't see Maccabi on the right pace to be a Final Four team now, although I'd like to. Barcelona has got more power, CSKA invested a lot of money and PAO looks very strong, albeit far from being unbeatable. One could argue, it's their usual year to get out in the Top 16, after having won the crown in the previous season :-) I see Real Marid as a strong competition. Less Siena and CLA. The Turkish teams don't impress me, Unics is less strong than its current record is showing (three weak teams in the group). Nancy can be a surprise but not in a series. So, basically, Maccabi is hypothetically fighting with 3-4 other teams to get into the Final Four. I don't think, anyone will oust Barcelona and CSKA in a series. But both teams have already lost in domestic competitions. CSKA to Spartak in VTB, while Barca still hasn't faced a strong Spanish team this season. But this talk is several steps ahead now. Maccabi has to concentrate on daily business.
It remains to be seen, whether Perkins will be signed for defensive purposes. But he will be another PG with no outside shot. At the same time, he would give Maccabi a different look and he would be cheap.
Last edited by goga78; 11-24-2011 at 11:35 PM.
burnstein
well
i'm impressed the opposite way we see matches and things
why blatt accepted this roster. yeah he say ok for hendrix, james, ohayon,papa etc, but did he accepted them because witohut any other chance to add somebody better or because he deep wanted them? who knows. onme things is sure: many of them failed. he officially already cut them from the roster. anyway , as blatt is a great coach and mavellous tactical eyes, i have something to say about his player's choise. market choice (things officially said it since players who already failed)and sharing minutes choise. tal on court for more than 30 second is for me silly as ohayon , as silly is the fact hat blu didnt play how he deserve to play.
talking of ohayon , i really cant understand wich matches u see. i bet if he was he bas of any other team u would be agree with me. he is just an average runner, passer and defensive player. nothing, and i say nothing in offense. some assist? my god ,in that position to make a couple of assist is the mininum u have to do. he hasnt a great ball control while running, he hasnt score in hands. nothing, in penetration, nothing by the arch. in italy he would play in second league. hendrix ,what to say, u all are satisfied because of two things at the end of the match. guy, we are talikng of euroleague, not a mediocre european league. players here must have many things. ohayon and hendrix would play more than 5 minutes in any opther good european teams? muy answer is no, no way. perkins..if we will add perkins for some defensive minutes and with farma still on roster, ok. but with farmar out he cant be the right base.
i guess u finally understood papa is out. i'd start kidding when farmar will leave. mta pg: papa-ohayon.perkins after injusy. the drama is that is not a joke!
p.s. just even thinking of chances for f4 is ridiculous with this roster. man, again, tell me wherever ohayon, hendrix, tal, would play more than 5 minutes. here they are on court long minuites. they would play in cl? madrid? pana? nancy? unics? siena? they would play in valencia, malaga, milano? come on (obviuosly i dont ask about barca and cska)
Well, no one sees the things the way you do. I was constantly following the stat line. Until quite late in the game, Farmar was producing turnovers only, while Ohayon let the offense run smoothly, having a better EFF and with Maccabi playing better with him running the point. There is nothing to discuss.
He has seen all of them play and he knew what he was going for. Of course, he would like to have Lorbek or Freeland instead of James but they cost about 7-10 times as much and are already under contract. James has looked more than well against Sofo last season and was meant as a defensive minded rebounder and shot blocker, a la Baston. He just doesn't have the old Burstein, Vujcic, Saras and Parker to play with. Otherwise, he would be making the same alley oops all game long. Hendrix was the newcomer of the year in the ACB. You know that he was signed before Eliyahu came back bla bla bla. So, yes, Blatt gave green light for the signings. If he wouldn't want them, they would have not been signed.why blatt accepted this roster. yeah he say ok for hendrix, james, ohayon,papa etc, but did he accepted them because witohut any other chance to add somebody better or because he deep wanted them? who knows.
Whom? One player? Cut from the EL roster (not Adriatic League or domestic competition).onme things is sure: many of them failed. he officially already cut them from the roster.
Look, if a player performs well, he plays. It doesn't matter, what's the name of the player before him. Whoever delivers plays. If Burstein plays more than "30 seconds", it's either because he is playing well or because the man before him doesn't play well. Otherwise, he doesn't play. He is 10th/11th player in the rotation. What's the fuss all about? Ohayon plays very well and thus his minutes keep on rising. Otherwise, he wouldn't play. Maccabi has enough players who can bring the ball over the midcourt.anyway , as blatt is a great coach and mavellous tactical eyes, i have something to say about his player's choise. market choice (things officially said it since players who already failed)and sharing minutes choise. tal on court for more than 30 second is for me silly as ohayon , as silly is the fact hat blu didnt play how he deserve to play.
About what? That his shooting is erratic? Yes, it is but he hardly shoots the ball, understanding this limitation of his.talking of ohayon , i really cant understand wich matches u see. i bet if he was he bas of any other team u would be agree with me.
He is very fast, a great passer (not good - great) and a solid defensive player (very aware but no Perkins).he is just an average runner, passer and defensive player.
It's not "a couple", it's a lot, it's being compared with the number of his turnovers and it's the way he is assisting people. He is making plays for this team. Lafayette, whom you are scouting so well doesn't have half of Ohayon's court vision. Ohayon makes life easy for his teammates and this is the only quality, a PG has got to have.nothing, and i say nothing in offense. some assist? my god ,in that position to make a couple of assist is the mininum u have to do.
He has great ball controll, despite going very fast (four turnovers in six games), he doesn't score much (actually, his scoring is okay, considering his position in the roster).he hasnt a great ball control while running, he hasnt score in hands.nothing, in penetration, nothing by the arch.
But in Maccabi he plays Euroleaguein italy he would play in second league.
Strange thing. Hendrix took CLA centers to school last season and played for the EL finalist. Before that, he was the newcomer of the year in ACB. And no good European team would give him more than 5 mpg?hendrix ,what to say, u all are satisfied because of two things at the end of the match. guy, we are talikng of euroleague, not a mediocre european league. players here must have many things. ohayon and hendrix would play more than 5 minutes in any opther good european teams? muy answer is no, no way.
But who would be the right PG with Farmar out? At least, Perkins knows this team, plays an all-round game and was the starting PG for last year's EL finalist. The game would be different than with Farmar, although Perkins is also a very good penetrator.perkins..if we will add perkins for some defensive minutes and with farma still on roster, ok. but with farmar out he cant be the right base.
No, I didn't. How did you? He didn't play due to illness.i guess u finally understood papa is out. i'd start kidding when farmar will leave. mta pg: papa-ohayon.perkins after injusy. the drama is that is not a joke!
Wasn't it last season, too? Eidson, who was choking offensively in the Top 16. Pargo, who was a rookie and had a highly mediocre regular season. Perkins, a PG with no shot. Instead of just Burstein, there are Burstein, Langford, Ohayon and Papaloukas. Not better, not worse.p.s. just even thinking of chances for f4 is ridiculous with this roster. man, again, tell me wherever ohayon, hendrix, tal, would play more than 5 minutes. here they are on court long minuites. they would play in cl? madrid? pana? nancy? unics? siena? they would play in valencia, malaga, milano? come on (obviuosly i dont ask about barca and cska)
I don't care, where they would play. I know that Maccabi played in the EL final last year and has lost just one game this season so far. I'm not content with every player on MTA but as long as they are winning, the team must be doing sth. right.
Final Four will be a very tough task but not an impossible one. Too early to think about it. Quarterfinals is a must for this team, especially, should it finish first in group after ten games played. Everything else depends on the matchup.
burnstein
lock out ended
let me start smiling about papa-ohayon in pg position of maccabi tel aviv!
now i want to see where we will get a starting 5 pg!
a managment and a coach who didnt consider nba will start giving to one nba player the key of the team, simply deserve to fail the whole season
i'm so angry that even with wounded heart, i think that everybody have to learn by lessons of life, so if we will fail this season, probably in future managment will make different choice
sorry, those are words of a lover who is so angry actually
^^ Lol, good for you maccabeo.
Anyway, guys. Doron Perkins was at Maccabi vs Cedevita game last night. Is he going to join Maccabi again or what?
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EUROLEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1977 & 1981 & 2001 & 2004 & 2005
Intercontinental Cup - 1980
Adriatic League Championship - 2012
do u think repleacing farmar with prkins is same things mainly after that kind of perkins's injury???? i can understand nobody like spending money perkins can just be an add to take off minutes by ohayon ,not surely to farmar. i still hope in pargo.actuyally no other players can give us something as a farmar's replace. mta' strategy this year ,zero!
^^ Dude, you need to learn how to read. You do know that you are annoying everyone here in this forums.
I never said Doron Perkins would be an replacement for Jordan Farmar.
And from now on, do not bother me cause I aint going to waste my time on you anymore. I have got better things to do.
Maccabi Tel Aviv
EUROLEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS - 1977 & 1981 & 2001 & 2004 & 2005
Intercontinental Cup - 1980
Adriatic League Championship - 2012
So, since Pargo didn't want to play in Europe and Farmar could not be signed until the end of the season, Maccabi's strategy was zero? Strange thing, since with this way of thinking Maccabi could not have done any right.
I don't know about Perkins, if he is ready to play or not but he will need time to adapt to competitive basketball again. He can't halp right away, I think.
No Lafayette or such players can help. I was watching the end of last game by Prokom. He is a typical brainless player, who will try to play hero with slim chances for success, instead of being a teammate with higher chances to win a game.
Of course, losing Farmar is a big blow for Maccabi but I don't think they are unprepared. In any case, it was better to sign him than not. For now (very cheap very good player) and for later, when he decides to quit NBA and settle to play in Israel. Pargo won't return and he is not wanted. Of course, it would be better to get such news in like a month, because then Maccabi could look for PGs of teams who were going out in the regular season but the team has to act now. We will see, what they have prepared. But for now, many teams will lose their strongest players. Milano can very well go out of competition without Gallinary. Nancy will go out without Batum. Khimki will have a much toucher time in the Eurocup. Zalgiris will lose Lawson, a week after they have dropped Collins. What a blow. Real Madrid will lose Ibaka and maybe Fernandez. Galatasaray: Pachulia and Songaila. All Turkish teams. Pekovic will go back, leabving Partizan with a hole in the middle. KK Zagreb was lucky to get an important win with TJ Ford in his only game there. CLA will lose Seraphin... I wonder, what will be with NBA players who bolted for China and have signed contracts there, not allowing them to return to the NBA this season.
burnstein
strategy means we have to add a starting five pg in july, not farmar. easy to undertand i think . i can be agree with u abouit lafayette.
about teams that are loosing players , well just milano(that is not a big team) is loosing a key player. we are loosing our base, the player who move all the team and mainly, after him we have nobody who can really take the team in his hands. so farmar for us is a so big loose i don t know u are really considering .
also, now or later, on market there will be just few players. he better will be surely added by teams with bigger budgets that are loosing a pg. there will be almost nothing good on market. instead of open champagne bottles while we added farmar for few matches, we needed to add an american/european pg for the whole season. this is a big error, and when i wrote about our strategy, u have to consider also a market that brought to just faled players and about it, also blatt has responsabilities, not just federman. last but not least, didi u read interview to blatt after milan game? he said mta played better because they had finally three days to rest. he was criticizing the ariatic league partecipation, but at the same time, he accepted it. if he had a better pesonalities (not just a great tactical sense)he had to refuse it .
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Last edited by maccabeo; 11-27-2011 at 08:55 AM.
we did have a starting five PG-pargo, farmar came becasue when the team was ready pargo left and put maccabi in a situation where they couldn't find any good starting PG.
i m sorry i disagree. when pargo decided not come back to tel aviv, the market was totally open, even at his beginning. after pargo s decision, many pg moved. at that time ,mta can made different choises.
maybe you are right(I won't lie and say that kown alot about the market back then).
by way about ohayun-no one say he some super PG who can lead the team for the euroleague title, its just that he have a potential to be a good euroleague PG to the opinion of most of us.
I have to say that even though you try not talk about maccabi as a fan and "follow the team blindly" its look that you just a pessimistic and don't look at maccabi from neutral eyes-don't you think so?
yes, i always underline worse things. it doesnt mean to be pessimistic . it means that if u love u have to underline the worse things to get better. has no sense to underline how sofo is great in his offensive way. it doesnt built anything underline what a shoot has blu , or how great is pnini defense. to get better u have to underline things u have to improve. i can understand that just underlining worse things it seems i am against mta. but is the oppsite.
about ohayon. at his age u have to be already a certain quality guard .he isnt, he will never be a starting 5 pg of an el team.no, mta will need a pg, nbut it will be har to fin one now. friend , i m worried our season in europe is one step to be at the end. not because blu has no shoot, not because sofo is a great offensive center, not because blatt is a great coach, not because onini is a great defesive player, but because your market was 80% failed. because there are players like tal, oyhayon, hendrix, who wouldnt play in any good el team, and i dont want to say anything about langford, who was a crazy add, without no reason. as no reason why macvan is on partizan (ops, for money sure). guy, having a good team, it means having good players. the more they are good, the more the team ios good. u cant have a good quality team with so many mediocre players. love for a team can make consider hendrix or ohayon good player, butn reality is different. u ll see after farmar out , what will happen in top 16 . i love mta, and i hate when i see so many errors by managment
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