Young guns who are 18-20 years old should try their luck to PBA draft?
actually i bet only few had tried this route..
but still this is the most effective way to develop a player...
a guy that young can develop his arsenal more faster than
playing in college level for 2 to 3 years..
just like kerby R. dude this guy can really play even internationally.
i hope keifer or B. Parks can do this..
i hope you see my point guys...
plausible but unless he has the assets of lets say... Japeth Aguilar or Greg Slaughter(simply put, a talented 4 or 5) I dont think it would be good for these kids to join. as competition is very fierce in the guard spots.
but hey, if Ravena demolishes and I mean demolishes the competition this season, then why not? as for Parks, I think it would be best to let him choose his priorities as a PBA player may prove him ineligible to a US NCAA 1 roster spot.
isnt there a minimum age before one can play in the Philippine Basketball Association.?
PBA Draft Requirements:
a) 23 years of age by the day of the Draft, or
b) a college graduate, or
c) a high school graduate OR would have graduated from high school in the school year four (4) years immediately preceding the draft year, i.e., if 2010 Annual Draft, he must have graduated OR would have graduated in school year 2005-06 or earlier
d) natural born filipino citizen.
well i really hate the first 3 requirements. with how the collegiate leagues is killing the PBA i hope they revise this rules. but i bet the overpaid veterans would surely not allow it coz of the limited teams that the PBA has. i just hope they make a rule that if you are 6'6" up and has advance basketball skills then you can join the PBA Draft if you are atleast 18yrs old and promises to finish college while playing in the PBA. so that we can produce another Kerby or Jay-R or Benjie. who knows maybe this is what stanhardinger likes.
and i think they are gonna start requiring aspiring PBA Draft applicants to play for the d-league for at least 2 seasons.
well a typical PBA move when everybody is stepping forward they are leaping backward..
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the NBA changes their age requirements from 18 yrs old to 19 which virtually removing the chances of top high school prospects to jump straight to the NBA just like what lebron, kobe, garnett and the likes did some years back. the rule which took effect starting the 2006 NBA draft. a player should be 1 year remove from high school and of 19 years of age.
The last batch of high schoolers that were taken off from the draft were martell webster, andrew bynum, gerald green, cj miles, ricky sanchez, monta ellis, andray blatche and amir johnson during the 2005 NBA draft.
the NBA have seen the downside of this rule. although there lots of successful ones just like the guys above, there were many of them lost in the horizon and are having hard times finding employment overseas. aside from that high school ball is totally different from college ball. so if you are really a top prospect, you must show that in a big league like in college.
why would PBA go into that direction where in fact there were lots of draftees and undrafted free agents in limbo and doesn't have contracts?
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well you already said it yourself. that there are some success to going PRO coming straight out of high school example Kobe, LeBron, Amare, Dwight, Josh Smith which for me is the TOP 5 players in the NBA. and what's their secret? its Hardwork and that's what all you need in life some people don't even need fancy education to be successful just ask the richest man in the philippines.
they all should just face it that a basketball career is a dog eat dog world and survival of the fittest. that's why for me it's all positive, lazy and injury prone veterans would be replaced by young and hardworking men. and undrafted, free agents and aspiring draftees to evaluate them selves if a PBA career is really for them. which will raise the game in the philippines.
now why would the PBA go to that direction? coz the europeans are doing it.
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i beg to differ. it's genetics more than anything else. a lot of players work hard on their game but never get drafted to the NBA, it's those with the better physique and skills who are given a chance.Originally Posted by sharky
here, it's a different situation:
- players under 20 won't be as physically developed as those over 23. and unless they're like Ravena or Parks, even PBA minimum-wage bangkoleros are 3 times better than them anyway.
- our pro league mandates a college degree (not a one-and-done college experience) and amateur experience (with preference for the PBA D-League soon) as a pre-requisite to play professionally... that's as complicated as applying for a good-paying job in this country.
i'd love to see PBA teams draft anyone without a diploma and amateur experience as long as they'll get players good enough declaring for the draft. leave the PBA D-League to those contract-less free agents in limbo. at least we get to see if a player values money or education more.
I'm not in favor of this. If they turn out to be crappy or get maimed within 2 or 3 years of their pro ball career, what do they do with themselves in the future? Sit around and mope about the "coulda woulda shouldas" of getting a solid backup plan like a college degree?
Although the thought of having 18-20 year old "phenoms" in the PBA is somewhat tantalizing and "romantic," the huge risk is a gamble not worth taking. Besides, I haven't seen any youngster capable of stepping up to the plate (Ravena, Parks included). Even if there was one (very unlikely), I'd still want the said player to get at least a 2-year vocationary degree. Pag nabaldado yan, sino magpapakain diyan. Kanino iyan aasa panghabang buhay?
It has been done in the NBA, but that's the NBA. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Also, only very few have made it successfully. And this is definitely not a Fantasy League folks, this is real life, with real lives, and real consequences to deal with. You're not just mixing and matching a bunch of statlines here.
i don't think so coz if it's genetics then we should be seeing the kids of Chamberlain, Russel, Erving, Walton, Jaworski, Guidaben, Salvador dominating in the NBA and the PBA.
yes it's a gamble but isn't everything in life a gamble? where can you see the old PBA superstars/veterans even though they have their College Degrees? caregivers in the US, construction workers in the middle east, stay at home dads, dairy farmers in australia my point is nothing in life is guaranteed everything has it's risks.
so i say if the boy thinks he can play in the PBA let him, if he fails then let him pick him self up.
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Chamberlain- claimed he bedded 20000 women, so it's likely possible that at least 1 out of those 20K bore him a child that inherited his genetics and talents.
Russel - daughter now columnist in the Huffington Post
Erving - illegitimate daughter was a ranked tennis player
Walton - son was a one time NCAA champion and a mutilple NBA champion
Jaworski - spawned probably the best PBA basketball player ever if we're living in an alternate universe
Guidaben - son is tall. that's it
Salvador - the chamberlain of philippine basketball, not because of his height and skills but because of his "conquests"
that's beside the point. i'm talking about athletic people in general, not NBA/PBA legends. shame if i have to explain how genetics work, but back to the topic... as much as we'd like to see it, a young U20 year old local player will NEVER make it to the PBA right away. hoping for "phenoms" in the future to make it to the pros that early is absurd. what works for America and the NBA doesn't work for this country and the PBA.
i've lived long enough to see players i first saw in high school make it to the PBA. their bodies develop into a pro-ready state late in their 3rd or 4th year if they even make it to the UAAP/NCAA. they were either too skinny or full of "baby fat" when they were 18-20. as for their games, i also had the chance to see PBA teams play UAAP teams in their own school gym back in the early 2000's... even the PBA bangkoleros made the college hotshots look bad. all these other so-called intangibles like "basketball IQ" and "athleticism" that college players posses are no match for players who make a living out of playing. what more a high school graduate/college freshman?
i get your point. but im just dreaming of the Philippines having another Kerby or Paras or maybe a Kobe, Dwight or a Ricky Rubio.
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Well if Salvador here is Lou Salvador, Sr., the man who once scored 116 points in the Far Eastern Games, one such product of a "conquest" played for Meralco in the MICAA and Seven-Up in the PBA: Jumbo Salvador.
Unlike his prolific father though, Jumbo was more of benchwarmer during his time.
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Capable of Out of HS Pro for me during their time
Ryan Buenafe(SSC)
Jay-R Reyes (Letran)
Ray Parks (US)
Jeron Teng (CKS - tama ba?)
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Its not impossible if there are more teams in the Pros to accomodate more talents. Its basically the economics of supply and demand rather than abilities and capabilities.
this is again a matter of debate about education etc..IMO 19 or 20 would be a good number but compared to our European and maybe some Asian counterparts,they have produced players who are world class even if they are 17/18 years old namely Jonas Valanciunas,Guo Ailun,Ricky Rubio etc. which I think until now we have not accomplished.
"Failing to Prepare is Preparing to Fail"
Should be a no debate if you have a solid d league like PABL...the elite guys should be in the national pool
imo 2 years out of HS is good enough preparation for elite HS standouts. Allow them to play college ball and/or Dleague for 2yrs after graduating HS then go pro.
The only way to develop young players is to have them compete against bigger/stronger competition. If you're a HS standout, scoring at will night in night out without giving too much effort, tendency is you'll become lazy and not work on your game. It doesn't help that your weaknesses are not being exposed since your playing against scrubs.
IMHO The burden of rule adjustment should be on the collegiate leagues and not on the PBA. The PBA rules are simple enough, and they ban school skippers simply for the good of the players themselves. Although it would be nice (albeit quite difficult) to follow the European model or allow players with 2 years college experience to declare for the draft, I think it is much better if those collegiate leagues simplify their convoluted rules on residency, playing years, etc. which create incentives for players to play college ball for as long as possible, skipping and hopping from one school to another. Cases in point: Jerwin Gaco, Mark Tallo, etc. Limit the playing years of collegiate players to 4 years, simplify residency and eligibility requirements to prevent bureaucatic Hagop-style politics. MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE SHOULD FORBID SCHOOLS FROM REFUSING TO LEND THEIR PLAYERS TO THE NATIONAL TEAM. In short, streamlining the collegiate leagues will make them a better venue for preparing our stars for the PBA and the National Team.
Also, what makes high school jumping possible in the States is their K-12 curriculum, which ensures that high school graduates are capable enough of doing basic office jobs or vocational work even if they don't go to college,. Ngayon lang natin sinisimulan ang K-12, so are we sure that these player-graduates will be able to fend for themselves after leaving high school? Will they be able to think for themselves, especially at that point in their lives that they will start working at such a young age?
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not Jeron Teng - he could not even dominate the UAAP.
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