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    Quote Originally Posted by TRI View Post
    if Maccabi will not complete the roster with a real tall guy(" in the heights of barac" ...) and a real good player in the backcourt then we might see Efes in the f-4 instead of Maccabi...

    with all the respect to James ..
    his addition is not enough to correct our Frontcourt from last year...

    Sorry..I completely disagree..
    Maccabi has a great frontline..our tall guys were the least of our problems last year..the backcourt was..
    And we definitely have a better frontline than Efes,because Efes has 2 players which we've already neutralized last year,and very successfully if I might say

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    Both Cs with a considerable amount of playing time last year for Caja are now in Efes roster, right?
    So, with whom will Caja plans to replace them? (didn't follow the transfers the previous week so maybe they've already signed with someone?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasha View Post
    Yes they signed Dogus Balbay.
    I think he can be an excellent Point guard if he developes a jumpshot. But he absolutely has no jumper so right now he is just a solid player.
    But his defense is really incredible. I believe he can be one of the best perimeter defenders in the euroleague right away.
    wrong. Balbay can shoot and you will see it this season. You can look at his shooting statistics in adidas eurocamp:

    https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bwa...CJ3HpLYM&pli=1

    also he had an interview few days ago where he said that he is an average shooter and he will show this in national team and this year. He didn't took shots in texas because coach didn't want him to. Sinan Güler had the same problem in NCAA, now he is above average shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maccabi_Fan19 View Post
    Sorry..I completely disagree..
    Maccabi has a great frontline..our tall guys were the least of our problems last year..the backcourt was..
    And we definitely have a better frontline than Efes,because Efes has 2 players which we've already neutralized last year,and very successfully if I might say
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well
    I don't count Gonlum, and Barac plus Batista, had been eating alive by MTA front-line, while we added James, one of the best Block-shooter.
    Radulijca still need to prove that he can play here, so I won't jump if I would be Efes fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well
    Sofo is the only good big guy in Maccabi?
    I guess Eliyahu that averaged 11points in 20minutes last season isn't good enough for you, also David Blu who's one of the top three-point shooters in Europe isn't good enough.
    On the other hand you're impressed by the easy-to-stop Batista that can only go to the left (and sometimes adds a pump-fake if he feels lucky) and is a turnover machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well
    Did you spell that wrong or do you have some big news to share with the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiTA View Post
    Sofo is the only good big guy in Maccabi?
    I guess Eliyahu that averaged 11points in 20minutes last season isn't good enough for you, also David Blu who's one of the top three-point shooters in Europe isn't good enough.
    On the other hand you're impressed by the easy-to-stop Batista that can only go to the left (and sometimes adds a pump-fake if he feels lucky) and is a turnover machine.
    hey come on accept efes has better roster it is clear they have more big name dont argue pls u can say how manage team better in that point may be u can be right maccabi players will have managed better by the coach than efes, they are may be more suitable team only

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    hey come on accept efes has better roster it is clear they have more big name dont argue pls u can say how manage team better in that point may be u can be right maccabi players will have managed better by the coach than efes, they are may be more suitable team only
    Efes' roster is great, but 2 things:
    1.Big names don't assure success
    2.I really do believe Maccabi's front-court is better.

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    Maccabi's frontcourt is not very tall, not necessarily able to play under the basket, creating shots not by virtue of a great pass of MTA's backcourt players. Maccabi's frontcourt is different than most of the other counterparts however and is able to bat its opponent in many ways. I just miss power and size under the basket on offense, if we take out Sofo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiTA View Post
    Efes' roster is great, but 2 things:
    1.Big names don't assure success
    2.I really do believe Maccabi's front-court is better.
    u trust which player frontcour? ı like big sofo and david blatt, blatt really good coach he know how control team if he contionue efes may be efes champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    u trust which player frontcour? ı like big sofo and david blatt, blatt really good coach he know how control team if he contionue efes may be efes champion
    I agree that Blatt made every player give 110%, he's a great coach.
    As for your question, which player I trust in the front-court, it's pretty much everyone, no one is perfect but they all know their place and they do their thing great. Eliyahu is one of the best PFs (at least offensively) in Europe and is very athletic, has his own unique, unpredicted shot that he makes in very high %. Blu opens the floor great because of his amazing 3pt abilities and he's also a great and agressive defender that can guard inside and also give hard time to PFs that prefer playing outside. Sofo is, according to the Euroleague, the best center last season (really no need to explain about him) Macvan is a great prospect who didn't do too much last season but I believe that this season, when he starts with the team and has more experience in the highest level he would contribute a lot more and we might see some more of his great talent. Hendrix may not have a lot of post moves but is one of the best rebounders in the Euroleague (4th last season in rebounds per minute) and gives a lot of energy under the basket together with good shot-blocking abilities. James, the new guy is also a great role player, he might not be the best offensive player but is a great defender, one of the best shot-blockers I've ever seen and he's also quite a good rebounder (lead the Israeli league in rebounds&blocks last season).
    Now those may not be the biggest names, but they're all players that proven themselves and they fit the puzzle in almost a perfect way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well
    Batista is natural born fighter , but his basketball skills are very one dimensional. Pretty sure, at the start of TBL he will make solid numbers, until other players will learn his moves & from here on he will be easily neutralized . Won't pass the ball out in time to save his life Ivanovic tried to make him pick-n-roll player, but failed miserably, it's just not his game.

    Barac is the other story, dangerous from mid-range, can hit a couple of triples, but he's VERY injury prone . At play-off with Maccabi he has a huge bаndage on his knee & moved with grace of oak-tree due to back-pain

    Querejeta made a good deal selling those two to Efes for huge money

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasua_85 View Post
    maccabi has better frontline efes??? u laugh me efes has really good roster espeacially big guy : barac,savanovic,batiste,gonlum and radulijica one of the best euorpa ı can only see good big guy sofo maccabi, but firstly efes techical team must manage well


    Even if you sign Huertas, like robbe said, your team is not much stronger (at best) than Caja Laboral last season. Like you say: "you lauph me" when you fail to see that Maccabi's front line has already smashed your next season tall guys in the 1/4 series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frodoborg View Post


    Even if you sign Huertas, like robbe said, your team is not much stronger (at best) than Caja Laboral last season. Like you say: "you lauph me" when you fail to see that Maccabi's front line has already smashed your next season tall guys in the 1/4 series.
    but unlike Caja, Efes can defend ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaccabiTA View Post
    also David Blu who's one of the top three-point shooters in Europe isn't good enough.
    actually in euroleague he was only fifth in 3pt made and only 9th in 3pt %..
    and that is only euroleague without eurocup..
    so this is a bit of an overstatement from you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by gockun View Post
    but unlike Caja, Efes can defend ..
    Yeah? With what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    actually in euroleague he was only fifth in 3pt made and only 9th in 3pt %..
    and that is only euroleague without eurocup..
    so this is a bit of an overstatement from you..
    A good three point shooter isn't judged by one season, consider the facts that:
    1.he has a name as a killer from beyond the arc, therefor he's getting 'special treatment' (tight defense on him)
    2.he is consistent and stays a top level shooter for many years now, some that were better than him this season may have had a good run this season despite not being as good usually
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    Quote Originally Posted by frodoborg View Post


    Even if you sign Huertas, like robbe said, your team is not much stronger (at best) than Caja Laboral last season. Like you say: "you lauph me" when you fail to see that Maccabi's front line has already smashed your next season tall guys in the 1/4 series.
    I can't consider this logic to be accurate, you cannot gurantee a win because Barac and Batista was a part of the team you eliminated last season. Also, I am not going to debate whether Efes or Maccabi has the superior front line but just remember Efes has two of the best PF's in Europe - Savanovic and Gönlüm and last year Caja had who? Teletovic? I just say that one should not expect an easy win, otherwise I could have also said that Maccabi this season is easier to beat because they lost their 2 best players, Perkins and Eidson but I am not going to say such a thing because this kind of logic never works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surfer View Post
    I can't consider this logic to be accurate, you cannot gurantee a win because Barac and Batista was a part of the team you eliminated last season. Also, I am not going to debate whether Efes or Maccabi has the superior front line but just remember Efes has two of the best PF's in Europe - Savanovic and Gönlüm and last year Caja had who? Teletovic? I just say that one should not expect an easy win, otherwise I could have also said that Maccabi this season is easier to beat because they lost their 2 best players, Perkins and Eidson but I am not going to say such a thing because this kind of logic never works.

    Savanovic and Gönlüm? two of the best PFs in Europe? seriously?

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