Philippines NT 2011 Vol. II

[donno]

Gilas Management took the big risk of releasing its players to the Draft trusting that the good relations they now have with the PBA would result on them not having problems borrowing players in the future and in that future includes Wuhan in the short term.

We'll see in the next few days if Gilas gambled correctly in giving the PBA the benefit of the doubt or if they rolled the dice wrongly.

actually from the way i see it, if ever Gilas will request the PBA for their former players to play in 2013, only Casio and Lassiter have the realistic chance to be back with the team. i don't expect Lutz, Baracael and Barroca to be loaned by their PBA teams.

[ricodgame]

^ And legally they still have a contract with the SBP, so as of now, even though they were drafted by the PBA Teams, they still belong to SBP.

[durden_tyler]

^ And legally they still have a contract with the SBP, so as of now, even though they were drafted by the PBA Teams, they still belong to SBP.

Not sure about this, is it August 30 or September 30 expiring?

[donno]

Not sure about this, is it August 30 or September 30 expiring?

i think it's September 25, the last day of FIBA Asia Championships. i don't know what will happen to them if ever Gilas qualifies to the Olympics (wow! wishful thinking there) or if the team manages to play in the FIBA wildcards.

[AMDG2008]

common sense dictates that they should release the players atleast this coming wuhan games..the question however, do these personalities (PBA) have common sense? I wanted to believe they do have one..

They do have "common sense"....its "partiotic sense" they are lacking as what can be seen from the past. But I am hopeful that this time it will be different.

Its funny though that as what Sir Nardy said, SBP is taking a gamble to appease one of the stakeholders...an NSA working to get into a stakeholder's good graces?

[nardy]

^ And legally they still have a contract with the SBP, so as of now, even though they were drafted by the PBA Teams, they still belong to SBP.

Ahhh almost forgot about their contracts.

From what I remember Majority of the contracts expire Sept 30 while some end at Oct 15 but it has a provision that the contract can be extended in the event the team qualifies for the London Olympics.

But I do not know if there is any mention what happens if ever the team gets a slot in the Olympics Wildacrd Tournament.

IMOHO, I do feel whoever among the drafted players that makes it to the Final 12-man line-up will not be restrained by the PBA team that drafted him from playing at Wuhan.

But I do feel a number of teams might voice complaints with regards to that London provision. And am expecting some PBA teams would try to give pressure for Gilas to release ASAP the final 12-man line-up so that those not chosen can already start practicing with their respective PBA Team. So the plan of Gilas Management to bring all the 15-16 players in the final pool to Wuhan as their final trip together might not materialize.

[alien space bats]

^ And legally they still have a contract with the SBP, so as of now, even though they were drafted by the PBA Teams, they still belong to SBP.

but remember guys no human contract binds the parties like the unbreakable vow does. if, let's say, lutz refuses to play in wuhan for reasons only known to SMC, then SBP cannot bodily force him. yes, he would be liable for breach of contract and sbp may very well sue their asses off for gazillion dollars but it cannot compel lutz to play for the nt. that's the huge gamble mang nardy is talking about. of course, this will never happen. smc has supported the national cause for countless times i dont think they'd stoop so low this time just to diss a corporate adversary.

[durden_tyler]

Ahhh almost forgot about their contracts.

From what I remember Majority of the contracts expire Sept 30 while some end at Oct 15 but it has a provision that the contract can be extended in the event the team qualifies for the London Olympics.

But I do not know if there is any mention what happens if ever the team gets a slot in the Olympics Wildacrd Tournament.

IMOHO, I do feel whoever among the drafted players that makes it to the Final 12-man line-up will not be restrained by the PBA team that drafted him from playing at Wuhan.

But I do feel a number of teams might voice complaints with regards to that London provision. And am expecting some PBA teams would try to give pressure for Gilas to release ASAP the final 12-man line-up so that those not chosen can already start practicing with their respective PBA Team. So the plan of Gilas Management to bring all the 15-16 players in the final pool to Wuhan as their final trip together might not materialize.

Which is their right, Nardy. If SBP wanted them back, they would have offered contracts much earlier-- and they wouldn't have declared for the draft. Can't blame the players, they aren't all Chris Tiu's, who can afford not to play in the PBA, so really SBP planned behind in all these. OR, this was their plan after all

[AMDG2008]

but remember guys no human contract binds the parties like the unbreakable vow does. if, let's say, lutz refuses to play in wuhan for reasons only known to SMC, then SBP cannot bodily force him. yes, he would be liable for breach of contract and sbp may very well sue their asses off for gazillion dollars but it cannot compel lutz to play for the nt. that's the huge gamble mang nardy is talking about. of course, this will never happen. smc has supported the national cause for countless times i dont think they'd stoop so low this time just to diss a corporate adversary.

I don't think they will do this....too blatant and it would run smack of any rational and moral reasoning. Keeping my fingers crossed

[elcian]

Ahhh almost forgot about their contracts.

From what I remember Majority of the contracts expire Sept 30 while some end at Oct 15 but it has a provision that the contract can be extended in the event the team qualifies for the London Olympics.

But I do not know if there is any mention what happens if ever the team gets a slot in the Olympics Wildacrd Tournament.

IMOHO, I do feel whoever among the drafted players that makes it to the Final 12-man line-up will not be restrained by the PBA team that drafted him from playing at Wuhan.

But I do feel a number of teams might voice complaints with regards to that London provision. And am expecting some PBA teams would try to give pressure for Gilas to release ASAP the final 12-man line-up so that those not chosen can already start practicing with their respective PBA Team. So the plan of Gilas Management to bring all the 15-16 players in the final pool to Wuhan as their final trip together might not materialize.

Haynako Sir Nards. Sumasama talaga loob ko sa basketball politics natin dito. Am truly and genuinely disheartened and hurt by the state we find ourselves in We are a country not lacking in basketball talent. What we lack is unity. While other Asian powerhouses are united in their mission to achieve "world level" status, our country continues to find itself mired in "the palakasan" olympics of "sinabi ko sa inyo e."

Iran is not going anywhere, especially with a young core of Haddadi, Bahrami, Kamrani and Kazemi. These guys are set and will continue to dominate. China, with an aggressive and dominant Yi, are still Kings of Asian basketball. Korea has made great strides. Japan is getting better and better. Heck, who knows how much Chinese Taipei will improve in the future if ever they get Jeremy Lin to play for them. Then we have Qatar and Jordan to worry about as well.

What pisses me off is basketball leaders here seem to think that Asian basketball is a cakewalk. Ano kala nila? Matatalo natin ang powerhouses of Asian basketball while we continue to bicker amongst ourselves? 2 weeks left and our national team is prioritizing who gets drafted where and we have our pro reinforcements vacationing in the USA. Same old story of stumbling towards the finish. I pray to God that disaster will not strike us come Wuhan.

I love our national team so much but there's only so much disappointment one can take. As long as our country does not get its act together and unite, we'll continue to be stuck in mediocrity while we get left behind

Just an opinion of a frustrated and downtrodden national team lover

[ariel_muhlach]

Haynako Sir Nards. Sumasama talaga loob ko sa basketball politics natin dito. Am truly and genuinely disheartened and hurt by the state we find ourselves in We are a country not lacking in basketball talent. What we lack is unity. While other Asian powerhouses are united in their mission to achieve "world level" status, our country continues to find itself mired in "the palakasan" olympics of "sinabi ko sa inyo e."

Iran is not going anywhere, especially with a young core of Haddadi, Bahrami, Kamrani and Kazemi. These guys are set and will continue to dominate. China, with an aggressive and dominant Yi, are still Kings of Asian basketball. Korea has made great strides. Japan is getting better and better. Heck, who knows how much Chinese Taipei will improve in the future if ever they get Jeremy Lin to play for them. Then we have Qatar and Jordan to worry about as well.

What pisses me off is basketball leaders here seem to think that Asian basketball is a cakewalk. Ano kala nila? Matatalo natin ang powerhouses of Asian basketball while we continue to bicker amongst ourselves? 2 weeks left and our national team is prioritizing who gets drafted where and we have our pro reinforcements vacationing in the USA. Same old story of stumbling towards the finish. I pray to God that disaster will not strike us come Wuhan.

I love our national team so much but there's only so much disappointment one can take. As long as our country does not get its act together and unite, we'll continue to be stuck in mediocrity while we get left behind

Just an opinion of a frustrated and downtrodden national team lover

We actually are in a better situation than countries like Thailand and even Kazakhstan, Lebanon and Kuwait. Their federations are in a bigger trouble.

Japan's federation is continued to be monitored by FIBA.

Chinese-Taipei has their own problems. Even Syria is now has its own crisis.

Jordan's problems are not yet that straigtened out .... just ask Rasheim Wright.

We need to be contended on what we have at the moment, we could be in a much worse situation. Just think if FIBA sided with the BAP group. Its not perfect, but it is moving at the right direction. As I said, we cannot get instant results. The damage done in the past made us lag behind the other countries, and even if we try to improve ourselves we cannot control that those countries who already overtaken or now at par with us will also try to improve themselves also.

Politics in the Philippines has touched everything in our country not only in basketball or in sports. Its not an ideal situation but we need to accept it and try to work around it if not within it.

[durden_tyler]

We actually are in a better situation than countries like Thailand and even Kazakhstan, Lebanon and Kuwait. Their federations are in a bigger trouble.

Japan's federation is continued to be monitored by FIBA.

Chinese-Taipei has their own problems. Even Syria is now has its own crisis.

Jordan's problems are not yet that straigtened out .... just ask Rasheim Wright.

We need to be contended on what we have at the moment, we could be in a much worse situation. Just think if FIBA sided with the BAP group. Its not perfect, but it is moving at the right direction. As I said, we cannot get instant results. The damage done in the past made us lag behind the other countries, and even if we try to improve ourselves we cannot control that those countries who already overtaken or now at par with us will also try to improve themselves also.

Politics in the Philippines has touched everything in our country not only in basketball or in sports. Its not an ideal situation but we need to accept it and try to work around it if not within it.

i feel your pain Ariel and Nardy and everyone at SBP. You really just have to work better with the PBA. Barrios could be a key on this one-- assuming he holds a better relationship with the pro league, and from there we could really have a "long term" program that will bring us to international glory.

[budz17]

its frustrating. looking at the basketball scene in our country, its obvious there is enough talent and size to compete internationally. we have enough veterans and we do have a young generation of players who look like they have the tools to compete internationally, but politics and business come into play. Its understandable because the basketball federation here is not as powerful as the other organizations with interests in basketball.

anyway, the best we could hope for is for both sides to continue exposing the players in their stable to international competition so when the time comes for them to represent us internationally, they already prepared.

[elcian]

We actually are in a better situation than countries like Thailand and even Kazakhstan, Lebanon and Kuwait. Their federations are in a bigger trouble.

Japan's federation is continued to be monitored by FIBA.

Chinese-Taipei has their own problems. Even Syria is now has its own crisis.

Jordan's problems are not yet that straigtened out .... just ask Rasheim Wright.

We need to be contended on what we have at the moment, we could be in a much worse situation. Just think if FIBA sided with the BAP group. Its not perfect, but it is moving at the right direction. As I said, we cannot get instant results. The damage done in the past made us lag behind the other countries, and even if we try to improve ourselves we cannot control that those countries who already overtaken or now at par with us will also try to improve themselves also.

Politics in the Philippines has touched everything in our country not only in basketball or in sports. Its not an ideal situation but we need to accept it and try to work around it if not within it.

I do understand that. But the fact remains that these countries still get their best players to play form them. That's big and that's what matters in the long run. At the end of the day, you need your best players playing for you in international competition. Why? Because you're playing against other countries' best players.

You guys are right though. This can all be sorted out with better communication and relationship with the PBA. Ket's hope Sonny Barios can ease some of the tension that existed before between both leagues.

On a final note, it's quite frustrating to see Smart Gilas, with the Asian Championships less than 3 weeks away, have to deal with issues like the PBA draft and missing players. How are we supposed to integrate all the PBA players in 2 weeks?! And I though things would be different this time and we could come prepared. That's what's frustrating.

And in case you guys haven't heard, Arslan Kazemi is going to join the Iranian National Team. Good luck to everyone else in Asia with that.

[all_about]

There are several issues hounding our national team with more than 2 weeks to go before the FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIPS.

1.) TNT reinforcements for Gilas not complete till the 1st week of September.
2.) Who will replace Hontiveros in Gilas? Is it Fonacier? that is a downgrade.
3.) Who will Toroman cut aside from Ababou and Ballesteros? the next is Barroca? With Alapag as replacement. How will Alapag with no experience at all handling the point guard duties for PHI under Coach Toroman?

[macan77]

hey guys, we assume too much..let's just wait and see what happens..

[reamily]

The Wuhan tournament would be the last hurrah or the turning point of this team as I would like to say the improvement of this team over the years as people might not appreciate the improvement would come as it may not translate into a olympic appearance or maybe final 4 appearance..

But assurance that the team will give its best shot we should watch the game against Japan Jordan and the QF matchup (Korea or Lebanon)

[JAMSKIE]

There must have been a compromise between SBP and PBA to let these Gilas draftees to serve the NT up to Wuhan at least. Its inconceivable if they do otherwise.

I agree w/ U, 100%! And not just 4 dis year's asian championships but in 2013 asian championships as well.

Many are doubting regarding whether PBA teams that drafted Gilas players would lend them in future internat'l. tourneys or not. Petron in particular, w/c drafted Chris Lutz might refused d request of SBP in the future 2 release Lutz 4 d 2013 FIBA asia champs.

Well, I guess the San Miguel management would just feel d presure of filipino fans clamour & would be compelled 2 give in 2 d SBP request, hopefully, fingers-crossed! Anyway, San Miguel corp had represented d country not just once but several times, particularly in d 80"s, in several international tourneys.

I strongly believe, & I know some will agree w/ me, that d per4mance of our National basketball team in major internat'l. competitions affects d popularity of d PBA. Filipino fans who have no particular PBA team 2 root for, in particular, would find PBA games a lot more interesting if our Nat'l. team is doing well in d international level.

[shootingbwakaw]

What pisses me off is basketball leaders here seem to think that Asian basketball is a cakewalk. Ano kala nila? Matatalo natin ang powerhouses of Asian basketball while we continue to bicker amongst ourselves? 2 weeks left and our national team is prioritizing who gets drafted where and we have our pro reinforcements vacationing in the USA. Same old story of stumbling towards the finish. I pray to God that disaster will not strike us come Wuhan.



Just an opinion of a frustrated and downtrodden national team lover

no. that's why they gave up already. get a load of this:
Uytengsu: (after watching the world basketball championships) "the average height of world class teams is 6-7" and said something to the effect that we'll never be contenders. and that's after the powerade/guiao humiliations.
Jaworski: (on our shot at the Olympics) "huwag na tayong mangarap" or something to that effect.

The only other company still interested is locked up in a corporate rivalry, and the only company still supporting the national dream is weighed down by the collective weight of IBN coaching wannabes.

As for the PBA, (sure it's their money) but the lack of trying even if it's just for the joy of basketball fanatics is what ticked off a lot of erstwhile fans. I believe it's also more about their corporate image. I'm sure the team owners were just as embarrassed as we were in 2009 (though not out loud)

nobody wants to associate his corporation with the term LOSER.

[elcian]

no. that's why they gave up already. get a load of this:
Uytengsu: (after watching the world basketball championships) "the average height of world class teams is 6-7" and said something to the effect that we'll never be contenders. and that's after the powerade/guiao humiliations.
Jaworski: (on our shot at the Olympics) "huwag na tayong mangarap" or something to that effect.

The only other company still interested is locked up in a corporate rivalry, and the only company still supporting the national dream is weighed down by the collective weight of IBN coaching wannabes.

As for the PBA, (sure it's their money) but the lack of trying even if it's just for the joy of basketball fanatics is what ticked off a lot of erstwhile fans. I believe it's also more about their corporate image. I'm sure the team owners were just as embarrassed as we were in 2009 (though not out loud)

nobody wants to associate his corporation with the term LOSER.

Yeah. And that's what's frustrating. Just the blatant surrendering without even trying. Kaya nga walang asenso dito e. Jaworski himself is a basketball legend and he says that? I know he's just being realistic but as long as we play the game of basketball, it is a must that we continue to dream the "International" Dream" and fight no matter what. We have too much basketball history to give up just like that. Amongst the money and the power, these basketball leaders seem to have forgotten that one simple notion.

I know it's really difficult to run a business and no one wants to lose money. That's the main factor. But at the end of the day, if Gilas has proven one thing, it's that it can compete with Asia's best. If a group of "amateur" players who could be considered a "Team C" here in terms of talent can compete with Asia's best and beat them, what's stopping our best players from showing that they're even better? That's what will continue to frustrate me to no end.