Philippines NT 2011 Vol. II

[nardy]

Aw, hopefully the fil-foreign players' papers that will be put on the Gilas 2 pool (PBA nor from other country) will be taken care of early if it is possible.

Hmm.. that's a catch 22 situation, the player selectors should think twice about investing (asking him to practice) on a guy like DeVance only to run the risk of him being questioned, especially if he is questioned just prior to FIBA Asia as in the case of Lassiter and Lutz. I also can't see our SBP authorities spending time trying to confirm his eligibility with FIBA Asia prior to making the decision to include him in training for the team.

I'm curious , who are the other prospects that have papers still in question ? Are Bachero's papers in order ? How about capangot ?. Don't get me wrong I'm not questioning their lineage, I'm just trying to discern the status of their paper work, especially due the recent FIBA Asia incidents being extra strict on this.

but both lutz and lassiter played in the fiba-asia champions cup (lutz played twice) and asian games (plus stankovic and seaba) and yet their papers were questioned and almost failed to play.

Very very good point.

Nardy, is there a way that a national federation could be assured they won't be questioned DAYS before a competition since that sort of protest could really derail one squad's campaign? (We can even set last Wuhan as an example to FIBA) Or at least have FIBA clear a 20-man-pool a month or two before any major tournament?

2013 actually is not a long time from now, especially if you consider that that all the possible PBA reinforcements are all tied up until August next year due the just started PBA season. It will be next to impossible to pull any PBA player out from their mother team until next August. So really your just looking at just 1 year preperation

With the short preperation period and the recent issue around eligibility of foreign bred players like possible prospects : Standhardinger, DeVance and Stephen Holt. You practically can forget about any new foreign recuit.

So seriously you are left with Gilas core players, the current collegiate players (Gilas II, Parks, Ravena , Slaugheters etc) and about 5 PBA veteran options ( Note none FIBA Asia veterans who are Fil-foreigners are practically out of the questionn now)

You are left with a situation where you have no chocie but to continue the gilas program with a few tweaks.

From a PBA involvement , lets not over complicate the issue , it simply boils down to one thing lending 6 players unconditionally, full time 3 months prior to FIBA Asia 2013. Plus the same players being available during next years of season. That's all nothing else, end of story

Yeah, it's simple really. When TNT decided to loan their players, did they give 3 months? More like 3 weeks, correct? And this is from an MVP team we are talking about...

You also have to remember that the Gilas core you are talking about is now ''owned'' by practically PBA teams so i am not sure where you are getting the the number "6 players" when in reality the PBA has to loan all players ('cept Tiu and Douhtit) now.

So i suggest you tender your expectations. While there's an on-going conference, it's practically impossible to get the players. Although an acceptable set-up could be identifying the players early (say 1 year before the major competition) and to have once a week practices as a national team but even that could be too much for most players.

The condition (3 months) is simple and uncomplicated, but difficult and still a sacrifice for the mother teams. Yup I was disappointed that MVP and TNT decided to priortise the grand slam over the RP Team. One thing that really went to waste was Hontiveros preperation (he played 3 months with Gilas as I am recommending but din't play at all in Wuhan) we can't have a repeat of that , so whoever 5 to 7 players we pick to commit for 3 months has to be available in FIBA Asia or else were screwed.

Yup its more like seven to 8 PBA players from various teams

1. Casio and 2. Lassiter (Poweaide)
3. Lutz (Petron)
4. Aguilar, 5. Williams or DeOcampo , (TNT)
6. Thoss (Alaska)
7. Norwood or Dillinger
8 Castro if Ravena is not yet ready.

Yup as usual, it will be challenge to get the PBA's cooperation, but if we don't try nothing iwill happen. My guess is a good as yours if they agree however

The SBP just held its ManComm and Board Meeting this past week. The PBA is requesting for a meeting with the SBP this week. We would soon know what are the true plans of MVP. All the names being flaoted around as prospects however are nothing but mere speculations or some person's fantasy line-up. Nothing has been set yet as to what changes are to be done or what is to be retained in the Gilas 1.0 program. MVP would also need to talk to all the stakeholders and know what are their comments and suggestions plus if they are willing to help out or would it be MVP shouldering everything again.

As of now we could not move yet until we get from MVP what direction are we headed to.

There would be no more problems with regards to all the players that had previously played at the National Team as everything had been taken cared of with the FIBA World HQ at Switzerland.

Hagop had told us if there was a SBP Representative in the Managers Meeting, there should have been no problem and were able to answer correctly all the questions that were raised. Its just unfortunate SMART management said before Wuhan that there is no need for a SBP Representative at the Managers Meeting as they can take care of everything as Toroman is experienced with said things. As we are aware full control and decision making of Gilas was taken over by SMART after the falling-out by then SBP Executive Director Noli Eala with the Circle of People around MVP thus placing SBP only at the background as MVP is both the President of the SBP and the Chairman of SMART Communications.

We also found out we were just "nadamay" or became collateral damage as the sudden strictness was really aimed at Qatar who for the longest time had been the object of accusations and protests from different countries of using ineligible players. However our people in the Managers Meeting including Coach Rajko panicked at the said meeting and were not able to answer the queries that were raised by Hagop. Its a good thing the people they left at home which includes Noli Eala, Moying Martelino, Bernie Atienza and Sonny Barrios knows how to handle the situation and get a favorable action in our favor from the people that matters most.

Unknown to many here, we are one of the most active in past Managers Meetings. Eala in Tianjin challenged the reinstatement of a Jordanian-German 7-foot center who was previously declared ineligible. We also participated in the non-clearance of several BraSyrians during Tokushima. People might have forgotten that Sonny Thoss was also challenged in Tianjin but our people then were able to argue correctly in our behalf.

On the new prospects most of whom are either still studying or had graduated from US NCAA Schools, we already established the paper works that they have to do and once we have been given the go signal we would prune down the prospects on who are the ones who are really eligible as per FIBA HQ judgement to pass as Filipinos born outside the Philippines but are considered as Filipino Citizens. Like Banchero and Standhardinger, we already know the steps needed to be taken in order to make them eligible but if they are part of the program which MVP wants, we still need to get his go signal first.

However there are some players who are currently in the PBA who would not be able to fall under the said FIBA HQ judgement, those who had previously served as National Players are already cleared but we need to get first the list of the 16 players that the PBA says they'll be lending so that we can see first what papers the Fil-fors currently have and see if it could still be supplemented to make them eligible internationally.

On a personal note, I am hoping that MVP had learnt from the decision he made on prioritizing Talk N Text Grandslam dream over SMART GILAS Team Chemistry.

As of now we had already have Marcus Douthit and Chris Tiu, identified the Fil-for prospects, we already have the Indofoods SINAG PILIPINAS pool of players who would most likely be the core of Gilas 2.0, and are keen on tapping GILAS Alumni in the PBA if possible, Just like Gilas 1.0 which started in November 2008, am expecting Gilas 2.0 to be starting come November after SINAG PILIPINAS finishes its job at the SEA Games.

As of now MVP is the only one willing to gamble his money on the National Team, so let us be patient and wait first on what he really wants to happen.

[elisher]

‎[You]you want to join smart gilias team philliphines?
[Negus GymRat Webster- Chan]
how much $?
[You]i dont knw.
$50K
... i think
you want bro?
[Negus GymRat Webster- Chan]thats not enough
[You]how much you want bro?
we need a big heart for our national team
[Negus GymRat Webster- Chan]
400K american
a year
[You]try to send a message to smart gilas
Like · · 3 hours ago ·

What? someone posted it in sir snow FB...

[toikins]

FAKE!

GymRat is just about as young as Bobby Ray Parks jr.
He is still in college, anything with money talk will make him ineligible for college basketball.

And he played for Canada jr national team already so it will be hard to get him to play for our national team even if he is willing to play even for free.
I guess same case for Christian Standhardinger.

[dtfernando]

There's no need to worry as to where MVP and the PBA owners' money will go. They have their own priorities that should be respected. What delights me though is that the 18-man Sinag pool mentioned by Black is already a far better pool than the original Gilas which clearly had FAVORITISM marked all over the team. As it is, there are already too many Ateneo players in the pool.

I would be very comfortable with having only Douthit, de Ocampo, Williams and a PBA-toughened Aguilar as the originals to be included in the 2013 tournament. There simply are too many very good locals and Filams in the Black Indofoods Sinag pool to ignore who will "pusoy", or be completely superior to, their counterparts in the guard and forward positions, in hugeness, quickness and shooting capabilities. Sanggalang, Abueva and Pascual are amateurs on paper -- but Casio, Baracael and that super handsome 5'7" guard -- are inferior in capabilities to them based on their college takeoff capabilities. And we're not even talking about the bigger-bodied Filam guards and forwards yet.

The four I mentioned are good enough to provide the veterans' stabilization requirements of the national team. What is more important is that the size requirements per position are met at the minimum, so the national team will not have serious disadvantages even before the tournament starts.

As the original Smart Gilas program, Powerade, and earlier programs show, the smaller players eventually implode from the physical battering they get as the games wore on. Smart Gilas never, never, never lost on breaks. They were actually leading the Jordanians and South Koreans easily, but the wear and tear of being banged around eventually killed the small guys, as it did in past FIBA tournaments.

Basketball is ALWAYS a game of big and extra big men, and I hope the organizers will never confuse PBA-sized personnel with FIBA-sized personnel who will be facing the biggest, strongest, quickest and best-shooting basketball players on the planet.

You also never go on international tournaments with players who have fatal flaws either in their offensive and defensive contributions. For instance, bringing a 5'6" Monfort -- who will be a good PBA player -- for national team games is useless as he can never guard any good foreign opponent who mostly stand at 6'2-6'7" based on the current guard composition of the top 40 FIBA teams.

What this Sinag team would miss from the PBA is actually the end-game qualities and focus of SanMig's Petron team. The present Petron crew are the finest last-five-minutes closers I have ever seen in the PBA over last two decades. Even the best of the legendary Crispa and Toyota in their primes would be in very deep sh*t against this team. BMeg's balanced contribution and camaraderie from its bigs are also national team worthy.

I hope the end-game closing qualities of Petron and brotherhood of BMeg are emulated by the national team, in case no players are drawn from these two very able teams. TnT's four-quarters game consistency is already well-inculcated in Williams and de Ocampo.

[zuma169]

The SBP just held its ManComm and Board Meeting this past week. The PBA is requesting for a meeting with the SBP this week. We would soon know what are the true plans of MVP. All the names being flaoted around as prospects however are nothing but mere speculations or some person's fantasy line-up. Nothing has been set yet as to what changes are to be done or what is to be retained in the Gilas 1.0 program. MVP would also need to talk to all the stakeholders and know what are their comments and suggestions plus if they are willing to help out or would it be MVP shouldering everything again.

As of now we could not move yet until we get from MVP what direction are we headed to.

There would be no more problems with regards to all the players that had previously played at the National Team as everything had been taken cared of with the FIBA World HQ at Switzerland.

Hagop had told us if there was a SBP Representative in the Managers Meeting, there should have been no problem and were able to answer correctly all the questions that were raised. Its just unfortunate SMART management said before Wuhan that there is no need for a SBP Representative at the Managers Meeting as they can take care of everything as Toroman is experienced with said things. As we are aware full control and decision making of Gilas was taken over by SMART after the falling-out by then SBP Executive Director Noli Eala with the Circle of People around MVP thus placing SBP only at the background as MVP is both the President of the SBP and the Chairman of SMART Communications.

We also found out we were just "nadamay" or became collateral damage as the sudden strictness was really aimed at Qatar who for the longest time had been the object of accusations and protests from different countries of using ineligible players. However our people in the Managers Meeting including Coach Rajko panicked at the said meeting and were not able to answer the queries that were raised by Hagop. Its a good thing the people they left at home which includes Noli Eala, Moying Martelino, Bernie Atienza and Sonny Barrios knows how to handle the situation and get a favorable action in our favor from the people that matters most.

Unknown to many here, we are one of the most active in past Managers Meetings. Eala in Tianjin challenged the reinstatement of a Jordanian-German 7-foot center who was previously declared ineligible. We also participated in the non-clearance of several BraSyrians during Tokushima. People might have forgotten that Sonny Thoss was also challenged in Tianjin but our people then were able to argue correctly in our behalf.

On the new prospects most of whom are either still studying or had graduated from US NCAA Schools, we already established the paper works that they have to do and once we have been given the go signal we would prune down the prospects on who are the ones who are really eligible as per FIBA HQ judgement to pass as Filipinos born outside the Philippines but are considered as Filipino Citizens. Like Banchero and Standhardinger, we already know the steps needed to be taken in order to make them eligible but if they are part of the program which MVP wants, we still need to get his go signal first.

However there are some players who are currently in the PBA who would not be able to fall under the said FIBA HQ judgement, those who had previously served as National Players are already cleared but we need to get first the list of the 16 players that the PBA says they'll be lending so that we can see first what papers the Fil-fors currently have and see if it could still be supplemented to make them eligible internationally.

On a personal note, I am hoping that MVP had learnt from the decision he made on prioritizing Talk N Text Grandslam dream over SMART GILAS Team Chemistry.

As of now we had already have Marcus Douthit and Chris Tiu, identified the Fil-for prospects, we already have the Indofoods SINAG PILIPINAS pool of players who would most likely be the core of Gilas 2.0, and are keen on tapping GILAS Alumni in the PBA if possible, Just like Gilas 1.0 which started in November 2008, am expecting Gilas 2.0 to be starting come November after SINAG PILIPINAS finishes its job at the SEA Games.

As of now MVP is the only one willing to gamble his money on the National Team, so let us be patient and wait first on what he really wants to happen.

in all fairness sir nardy every thing is being planned out carefully and sounds like a good plan.. i like it.. let us just be patient..

we have to wait for the PBA and SBP meeting.. sir nardy i have a gut feeling.. this PBA season will be untouchable.. but i think, and i firmly believe it, that if MVP and Sonny Barrios stack the cards right and everyone cooperates.. come the 2012 2013 PBA season, they will cancel the 3rd conference for the preparation of the STRONGEST NATIONAL TEAM YET..

again we have to be patient and everything is up in the air.. but i have a feeling this will happen.. because we need to have a compromise, and fairness among PBA teams.. if the players picked for the national team will be pulled out from their mother teams, that would create unfair situations among the teams.. if we cancel the 3rd conference, then no one is playing.. again revenues will be sacrificed but that is up to the PBA to make.. they can do it..

[reamily]

Guys don't not underestimate the importance of tournaments next year as it will prevent us basketball fans to have large expectations to our team

[geo]

in all fairness sir nardy every thing is being planned out carefully and sounds like a good plan.. i like it.. let us just be patient..

we have to wait for the PBA and SBP meeting.. sir nardy i have a gut feeling.. this PBA season will be untouchable.. but i think, and i firmly believe it, that if MVP and Sonny Barrios stack the cards right and everyone cooperates.. come the 2012 2013 PBA season, they will cancel the 3rd conference for the preparation of the STRONGEST NATIONAL TEAM YET..

again we have to be patient and everything is up in the air.. but i have a feeling this will happen.. because we need to have a compromise, and fairness among PBA teams.. if the players picked for the national team will be pulled out from their mother teams, that would create unfair situations among the teams.. if we cancel the 3rd conference, then no one is playing.. again revenues will be sacrificed but that is up to the PBA to make.. they can do it..

I think they cannot afford to cancel entirely the 3rd conference for it would be detrimental to the league's existence. What they would do instead, in my opinion, is to release the players needed to our national team but they would continue with the 3rd conference. And on top of that, Team owners would not be happy paying the players not selected to the NT on vacation.

[durden_tyler]

I think they cannot afford to cancel entirely the 3rd conference for it would be detrimental to the league's existence. What they would do instead, in my opinion, is to release the players needed to our national team but they would continue with the 3rd conference. And on top of that, Team owners would not be happy paying the players not selected to the NT on vacation.

Good point. Just like last time really. MVP understands the importance of the PBA season too so that's one consideration they have to make...

[dtfernando]

BTW, I think this thread should be closed and a 2012/2013 thread started. It is impossible to have a 2011 NT already.

[reamily]

they would not cancel the third conference if that push through a pull out is likely scenario with a condition that in the months they pulled out the sponsor would pay their salaries (big save if belong to your umbrella if it is one of the pba companies would bank roll the team )) and their insurance case of injuries..

if you called 15 pba players thats 350 k *3 times 15 equals..

oh easy 20 million pesos for bankrolling a national team for just 3 months add to that the tourneys to join payment to a Foreign coach and I say the salary of Marcus Douthit..

and a factor that would made typical sports fan

[reamily]

BTW, I think this thread should be closed and a 2012/2013 thread started. It is impossible to have a 2011 NT already.

the one participating in the Southeast Asian Games there is till a basketball team named "Philippines" competing there

[zuma169]

I think they cannot afford to cancel entirely the 3rd conference for it would be detrimental to the league's existence. What they would do instead, in my opinion, is to release the players needed to our national team but they would continue with the 3rd conference. And on top of that, Team owners would not be happy paying the players not selected to the NT on vacation.

why would it be detrimental to the leagues existence??? the 3rd conference was instituted to increase more revenue.. besides, last PBA season was the first season with a 3 conference set-up ever since the PBA went to a 2 conference set-up it's not like it wasn't done before.. and as i have said, they will only cancel the 3rd conference on FIBA years.. all i am after is fairness and equality.. if we just pull out players from their mother teams, it would be unfair..

if we all want a third conference so be it.. but make sure it finishes by June or else, it will be FIBA ASIA 2011 all over again!!! i am telling it right now..

[reamily]

why would it be detrimental to the leagues existence??? the 3rd conference was instituted to increase more revenue.. besides, last PBA season was the first season with a 3 conference set-up ever since the PBA went to a 2 conference set-up it's not like it wasn't done before.. and as i have said, they will only cancel the 3rd conference on FIBA years.. all i am after is fairness and equality.. if we just pull out players from their mother teams, it would be unfair..

if we all want a third conference so be it.. but make sure it finishes by June or else, it will be FIBA ASIA 2011 all over again!!! i am telling it right now..

from what I see the wuhan joust is not a failure and we get the players that we're needed that time

[Alex07]

now that the first batch of Gilas are in the PBA,I just think that the SBP should find a way to get these players available (if they are to be invited again)for practices and tournaments.Maybe having twice a month practice or team bonding with a national team this early wouldn't be bad.Of course there would be absentees and players begging off but we really do need PBA the cooperation of the PBA teams by letting their players go to these practices.

Again the SBP setting the schedule of practices,tune up games,overseas tournaments and Fiba-Asia schedule would be crucial.The best compromise here would be having the PBA players well prepared and having the PBA teams having less sacrifices.But with a 3 conference in a year,getting everybody happy would be close to impossible.I am for the cancellation of the 3rd conference during Fiba years for it is the easiest solution to get the players getting prepared before the tournament proper.

I wish the PBA and SBP well and I hope they could find the compromise and take us to the next level (WBC and Olympics).Again communication is vital and every stakeholders should be very serious about the task at hand.

this November,it's ok that we send an all amateur team so we can guage them how they're going to fare against our more experienced Asean neigbors.Indonesia and malaysia has the edge in experience having Fiba-Asia veterans on their squad but we can't discount our team's skill level,youth and athleticism.This November,we can guage who can go up in the RP senior men's first team.

[EL TERRIBLE]

The SBP just held its ManComm and Board Meeting this past week. The PBA is requesting for a meeting with the SBP this week. We would soon know what are the true plans of MVP. All the names being flaoted around as prospects however are nothing but mere speculations or some person's fantasy line-up. Nothing has been set yet as to what changes are to be done or what is to be retained in the Gilas 1.0 program. MVP would also need to talk to all the stakeholders and know what are their comments and suggestions plus if they are willing to help out or would it be MVP shouldering everything again.

As of now we could not move yet until we get from MVP what direction are we headed to.

There would be no more problems with regards to all the players that had previously played at the National Team as everything had been taken cared of with the FIBA World HQ at Switzerland.

Hagop had told us if there was a SBP Representative in the Managers Meeting, there should have been no problem and were able to answer correctly all the questions that were raised. Its just unfortunate SMART management said before Wuhan that there is no need for a SBP Representative at the Managers Meeting as they can take care of everything as Toroman is experienced with said things. As we are aware full control and decision making of Gilas was taken over by SMART after the falling-out by then SBP Executive Director Noli Eala with the Circle of People around MVP thus placing SBP only at the background as MVP is both the President of the SBP and the Chairman of SMART Communications.

We also found out we were just "nadamay" or became collateral damage as the sudden strictness was really aimed at Qatar who for the longest time had been the object of accusations and protests from different countries of using ineligible players. However our people in the Managers Meeting including Coach Rajko panicked at the said meeting and were not able to answer the queries that were raised by Hagop. Its a good thing the people they left at home which includes Noli Eala, Moying Martelino, Bernie Atienza and Sonny Barrios knows how to handle the situation and get a favorable action in our favor from the people that matters most.

Unknown to many here, we are one of the most active in past Managers Meetings. Eala in Tianjin challenged the reinstatement of a Jordanian-German 7-foot center who was previously declared ineligible. We also participated in the non-clearance of several BraSyrians during Tokushima. People might have forgotten that Sonny Thoss was also challenged in Tianjin but our people then were able to argue correctly in our behalf.

On the new prospects most of whom are either still studying or had graduated from US NCAA Schools, we already established the paper works that they have to do and once we have been given the go signal we would prune down the prospects on who are the ones who are really eligible as per FIBA HQ judgement to pass as Filipinos born outside the Philippines but are considered as Filipino Citizens. Like Banchero and Standhardinger, we already know the steps needed to be taken in order to make them eligible but if they are part of the program which MVP wants, we still need to get his go signal first.

However there are some players who are currently in the PBA who would not be able to fall under the said FIBA HQ judgement, those who had previously served as National Players are already cleared but we need to get first the list of the 16 players that the PBA says they'll be lending so that we can see first what papers the Fil-fors currently have and see if it could still be supplemented to make them eligible internationally.

On a personal note, I am hoping that MVP had learnt from the decision he made on prioritizing Talk N Text Grandslam dream over SMART GILAS Team Chemistry.

As of now we had already have Marcus Douthit and Chris Tiu, identified the Fil-for prospects, we already have the Indofoods SINAG PILIPINAS pool of players who would most likely be the core of Gilas 2.0, and are keen on tapping GILAS Alumni in the PBA if possible, Just like Gilas 1.0 which started in November 2008, am expecting Gilas 2.0 to be starting come November after SINAG PILIPINAS finishes its job at the SEA Games.

As of now MVP is the only one willing to gamble his money on the National Team, so let us be patient and wait first on what he really wants to happen.

well said Nards! I just hope Mr. Pangilinan would seek d opinions & suggestions of our basketball stakeholders & authorities regarding important issues. Perhaps the most crucial issue is whether we retain coach Rajko Toroman as nat'l. team coach or we look 4 another coach (again & again).

I'm sure most basketball officials/stakeholders/authorities, if not all, are in favor of retaining coach Toroman as headcoach of Smart Gilas program part 2. They know Toroman was d key 4 smart gilas 4th place finish in wuhan, & they know team Pilipinas can improve from that 4th place finish in d next Asian Championship if Toroman is retained as d coach.

RETAIN COACH TOROMAN, & philippine basketball would have a bright future!

[EL TERRIBLE]

The SBP just held its ManComm and Board Meeting this past week. The PBA is requesting for a meeting with the SBP this week. We would soon know what are the true plans of MVP. All the names being flaoted around as prospects however are nothing but mere speculations or some person's fantasy line-up. Nothing has been set yet as to what changes are to be done or what is to be retained in the Gilas 1.0 program. MVP would also need to talk to all the stakeholders and know what are their comments and suggestions plus if they are willing to help out or would it be MVP shouldering everything again.

As of now we could not move yet until we get from MVP what direction are we headed to.

There would be no more problems with regards to all the players that had previously played at the National Team as everything had been taken cared of with the FIBA World HQ at Switzerland.

Hagop had told us if there was a SBP Representative in the Managers Meeting, there should have been no problem and were able to answer correctly all the questions that were raised. Its just unfortunate SMART management said before Wuhan that there is no need for a SBP Representative at the Managers Meeting as they can take care of everything as Toroman is experienced with said things. As we are aware full control and decision making of Gilas was taken over by SMART after the falling-out by then SBP Executive Director Noli Eala with the Circle of People around MVP thus placing SBP only at the background as MVP is both the President of the SBP and the Chairman of SMART Communications.

We also found out we were just "nadamay" or became collateral damage as the sudden strictness was really aimed at Qatar who for the longest time had been the object of accusations and protests from different countries of using ineligible players. However our people in the Managers Meeting including Coach Rajko panicked at the said meeting and were not able to answer the queries that were raised by Hagop. Its a good thing the people they left at home which includes Noli Eala, Moying Martelino, Bernie Atienza and Sonny Barrios knows how to handle the situation and get a favorable action in our favor from the people that matters most.

Unknown to many here, we are one of the most active in past Managers Meetings. Eala in Tianjin challenged the reinstatement of a Jordanian-German 7-foot center who was previously declared ineligible. We also participated in the non-clearance of several BraSyrians during Tokushima. People might have forgotten that Sonny Thoss was also challenged in Tianjin but our people then were able to argue correctly in our behalf.

On the new prospects most of whom are either still studying or had graduated from US NCAA Schools, we already established the paper works that they have to do and once we have been given the go signal we would prune down the prospects on who are the ones who are really eligible as per FIBA HQ judgement to pass as Filipinos born outside the Philippines but are considered as Filipino Citizens. Like Banchero and Standhardinger, we already know the steps needed to be taken in order to make them eligible but if they are part of the program which MVP wants, we still need to get his go signal first.

However there are some players who are currently in the PBA who would not be able to fall under the said FIBA HQ judgement, those who had previously served as National Players are already cleared but we need to get first the list of the 16 players that the PBA says they'll be lending so that we can see first what papers the Fil-fors currently have and see if it could still be supplemented to make them eligible internationally.

On a personal note, I am hoping that MVP had learnt from the decision he made on prioritizing Talk N Text Grandslam dream over SMART GILAS Team Chemistry.

As of now we had already have Marcus Douthit and Chris Tiu, identified the Fil-for prospects, we already have the Indofoods SINAG PILIPINAS pool of players who would most likely be the core of Gilas 2.0, and are keen on tapping GILAS Alumni in the PBA if possible, Just like Gilas 1.0 which started in November 2008, am expecting Gilas 2.0 to be starting come November after SINAG PILIPINAS finishes its job at the SEA Games.

As of now MVP is the only one willing to gamble his money on the National Team, so let us be patient and wait first on what he really wants to happen.

so does that mean fil-foreign PBA cagers Kelly Williams, Gabe Norwood, Jared Delinger, Sonny Thoss are cleared to play 4 any FIBA-sanctioned tournament since they had already played in d previous editions of FIBA-asia Men's Championships?

[geo]

why would it be detrimental to the leagues existence??? the 3rd conference was instituted to increase more revenue.. besides, last PBA season was the first season with a 3 conference set-up ever since the PBA went to a 2 conference set-up it's not like it wasn't done before.. and as i have said, they will only cancel the 3rd conference on FIBA years.. all i am after is fairness and equality.. if we just pull out players from their mother teams, it would be unfair..

if we all want a third conference so be it.. but make sure it finishes by June or else, it will be FIBA ASIA 2011 all over again!!! i am telling it right now..

It's not easy cancelling a conference, their were contracts signed beyond 2012, with television coverage, sponsors, etc. If they cancel, either PBA faces a suit for breach of contract or they pay who ever they have signed a contract with. And you will be rendering a lot of people jobless. What i mean is, there are ordinary people working in the PBA, like the ball boys, water boys, etc. They don't signed contracts that pays them big, they are on a no work, no pay status. Maawa ka naman sa kanila. trans: have pity on them.

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Remember Salud mentioned he is fine with loaning players to Gilas on the condition that the said players agree and their mother team gives approval.

So really in the worse case scenario even if the rest of the PBA mother teams are unwilling to laon players for the 3rd conference of 2013. MVP with TNT and maybe some other team like Poweraide ( Casio and Lassiter) have to make the ultimate sacrifice and loan 5 players (3 from TNT and 2 from Poweraide). So basically they are tanking the 3rd conference.

Hopefully Salud recognizes the sacrifice and compensates the teams that loose players by allowing an extra import or taller import. So you see there are ways around this. It should be doable without totally hurting the PBA and it's mother teams. But at the end of the day it is still a sacrifice for the team , but hey this isn't the first time this has happened. In fact in the past 1998 centential team. players were loaned for the whole season. C'mon guys this is just one conference limited to two teams and max of 3 players each. And were talking about flag and country here, my gosh !

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Actually if you look at it from the point of view of a businesman like MVP, you're actaully wasting a whole lot of investment if you don't reinforce Gilas national team with resources (TNT players) that you already are paying for.

I mean if you have a busines venture and you're already pouring heaps of cash into it, paying Doulthit's salary, other gilas members, shouldering foreign trips etc. Would'nt it be stupid of you if you din't use the resources (TNT players) you already own to ensure your project (Gilas) will be a success.

In fact any sound businessman would kill if he wasn't allowed to use his resources for his pet project. I would.

So really this is a no brainer of a thing. I think MVP just miscalulated his decisions this year by prioritising the Grand slam, but in 2013 i'm willing to bet my house that he won't commit the same mistake twice. He might not even need to make that decision as I doubt TNT will be going for a grand slam in 2013.

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Actually if you look at it from the point of view of a businesman like MVP, you're actaully wasting a whole lot of investment if you don't reinforce Gilas national team with resources (TNT players) that you already are paying for.

I mean if you have a busines venture and you're already pouring heaps of cash into it, paying Doulthit's salary, other gilas members, shouldering foreign trips etc. Would'nt it be stupid of you if you din't use the resources (TNT players) you already own to ensure your project (Gilas) will be a success.

In fact any sound businessman would kill if he wasn't allowed to use his resources for his pet project. I would.

So really this is a no brainer of a thing. I think MVP just miscalulated his decisions this year by prioritising the Grand slam, but in 2013 i'm willing to bet my house that he won't commit the same mistake twice. He might not even need to make that decision as I doubt TNT will be going for a grand slam in 2013.

Hmmm. We're forgetting that we were saying this before their grand slam bid? If you listen to the posters here months, you would have thought it was a done deal that MVP will prioritize the NT over his Grand Slam bid (Obviously that did not happen). We just have to accept the fact that MVP has many targets aside from the NT. And until the priorities are straight (or some sort of compromise will be worked out) we'd again have the non-ideal set-up of hugot players.