The big debate: Enes vs. Jonas
Yeah,Jonas sucks!He's completely hopeless.It's still a mistery how a young,tall and long player,that has great touch around the rim and can shoot free throw's,also is a great help defender,got drafted 5th!There's no way that a 19 year old kid will ever become better,right?Kanter is already a guaranteed future NBA MVP and hall of famer,meanwhile Jonas will only be a scrub in the NBA.Originally Posted by brsgrlr
Ok seriously Kanter has only a few things over Valanciunas at the moment.Enes is a better shooter,better at the low post position and is stronger.Other than that they're about equal.Jonas is a much better pick and roll defender and better while helping out other players on defense,but Kanter is much better while defending in the low post.Although Enes can do some crazy dunks that you can see on youtube,but he isn't a leaper and rarely will finish with dunks against oponents.Jonas is also faster than Kanter.Both of them will become great players,but they probably won't play in the same position in the future.Kanter always seems really short to me while on the court,but because of his good shooting touch he'll probably be a PF in the NBA,which he's playing for most of the time in his NT.Meanwhile Jonas at the moment only can score arround the basket and very rarely shoots from the mid range.He's the kind of guy who won't score 15+ points in the NBA,but because of his long arms he'll contest a bunch of shots arround the basket and score most of his points only from pick and rolls and offensive rebounds,so he'll only be a center.
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Wha else do you need? Haha but also better rebounder, better defender etc
Jonas is a talented kid but he is lithuanian and unfortunately baltic guys can't click with NBA fans(unless they are sabonis).
Enes has the potential to be a huge excitement for his team, a rookie of the year/ all star/ mvp prospect. Maybe he will be none but he is able to create the expectation so far. he didn't play for 2 years and still got drafted above Jonas.
Jonas is a decent player maybe will do better than Enes but that would only come as a surprise.
I'm not denying that Enes is and will be a good player.His defence is only good one on one,but Jonas is great when he has to come and help his teammates.In the NBA really often you'll see shorter players going for a layup,so Jonas with his very long arms will be more valuable than Kanter in that perspective.Also centers in the NBA play a lot less with their back to the basket than in Europe which is where Jonas is still struggling the most.And about Kanter being drafted ahead of Jonas I can say this much,he with his agent created a lot of hype.Teams like Spurs and Thunder,wo are known as good teams when it comes to drafting young prospects were trying to trade up to get Valanciunas and not Kanter.And also the fact that Jonas will have to play this comming season in Europe also made his draft stock drop,meanwhile Enes will definitely be in the team this season,of course if there's one in the NBA.LOL
Wha else do you need? Haha but also better rebounder, better defender etc
Jonas is a talented kid but he is lithuanian and unfortunately baltic guys can't click with NBA fans(unless they are sabonis).
Enes has the potential to be a huge excitement for his team, a rookie of the year/ all star/ mvp prospect. Maybe he will be none but he is able to create the expectation so far. he didn't play for 2 years and still got drafted above Jonas.
Jonas is a decent player maybe will do better than Enes but that would only come as a surprise.
can you be kind and open kanter vs. valanciunas thread, please
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Well sorry for the trouble but we and lithuanians apparently enjoy this very much. Having 2 great prospects does that.can you be kind and open kanter vs. valanciunas thread, please
Sad for you guys because you don't have anyone to brag aboutjk.
I am sorry for pohani komarac but I will speak about Enes and Jonas
It is too early to compare them and I said that for a million timesJonas and Enes are bench players.Enes took good minutes but he is not our score option.He is 19 and our team's players don't trust him and give the ball very much because of his age and experience problem.Lithuania wants to be champion and They are playing with guarantee players,this championship is not place to give a chance to young players(especially in dangerous matches).I believe Jonas and Enes will make good statistics in following days.2 years later,Both of them will be key players of their teams and we will see their skills.Turkish fans are some excited and some of them said ''no way'' about Jonas.Jonas is very talented and noone can say '' no way'' about him... I think some Lithuanians are responsible for Turkish users'thoughts because they tought Enes is nothing after first preperation games.Some Turks also started to think same thing about Jonas because of their bad performances in these 3 matches(actually he didn't take good minutes).They need time.I want to see them in Nba as best European players with Dario Saric
Performance in this tournament so far suggests that it is Kanter is clearly better
After a 2 year layoff Kanter is already averaging double figures while Jonas is hardly getting any playing time
Well you also should remember that Turkey is thinner in big position, while Lithuania is unusually thick there - I mean 6 bigs, that's really a lot, so Jonas gets pushed into the back and gets only a few minutes and when you get those minutes you usually are overly nervous and try to do too much which usually results in playing worse.
When you get a stable number of minutes and stable role you ought to perform better. Doesn't take it away that Kanter outshines Jonas so far though, but at the same time you should realize the difference of their positions too. With steady minutes Jonas was the most efficient player in Lithuanian team during preparation, however when the minute flow was cut and he got his PT reduced he starts under-performing by trying to do too much in those limited minutes he gets.
No one can say Jonas is bad player. He is very good prospect and I think he will be good player in future. How ever Enes is a special talent.I think he will add some more inches in USA. A big man who is too strong for other PF's, too agile for other C's, he can shoot, he has postmoves, he can jump and plays tough (not like pussy). This kid has it all. Jonas IMO lacks many things to become allstar level player. He will be very good player (I guess similar to Biedrins) but nothing special like Enes. Thats my opinion on this two players. Next european superstar will be Dario Saric. I think he will play a good role in EC 2013 similar to Enes this year.
I think that we all can come to a conclusion that lithuanian fans think Jonas is and will be better and turkish fans think Enes is and will be better.I don't think that I'll be able to make any turkish fans think otherwise,but the same can be said about lithuanian fans.
Well and NBA Drafts thinks Enes is better.
A more trustworthy source than turkish fansI think the case is closed for now. If Jonas improves and performs we can discuss this again.
After watching Enes first time yesterday the big difference I saw is that he has a jump shot. Jonas simply does not put up shots out the paint.
This thread only means Turkish fans vs Lithuanian fans...
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I don't know if that's true. All you can say for sure is that Utah thinks Enes is better or will be better. And even that's up for debate because Kanter can play next season in the NBA and Valanciunas can't. Anyways, from what I've read the decision is split amongst the professional writers. The forums for NBA fans seem to favor Kanter slightly. Here's a couple of links on the subject:Well and NBA Drafts thinks Enes is better.
A more trustworthy source than turkish fans
Opinion pieces believing Jonas will be better:
1) http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...an-enes-kanter
2) http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=5598
This article states that Jay Bilas and Fran Fraschilla both think Kanter will be better, and Chad Ford and 'most scouts' thinks Valanciunas will be better in the long run.
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2...iunas-at-no-4/
Enes was the biggest #1 nominee when he left turkey to kentucky.
And that's 2 years ago from the drafts.
unfortunately he could not play for 2 years but he still got picked at #3.
So the links you are showing are just some opinions of some poeple just like ours here. I can show you another dozen links stating the opposite
the fact is; that kid had SO MANY teams and SO MANY people believed in him. That is a true indicator.
I think both will progress so differently and greatly to not be a theme for this kind of "vs's"
they both are great players and it's a great excitement to watch them both grow
It will probably like comparing pau with dirk.
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Well, Dirk clearly kicks his ass into the ground though
This wasn't a good example.
From what I saw of Kanter in limited footage this summer he seems to be a high energy guy, who hustles the boards and can shoot turnarround jumpers in the post quite nicely. But he also lacks height and lenght to finish at the rim as easily as Jonas does, meaning that his position in NBA will most probably be a PF.
As for Jonas I believe he is already a 7 footer who is very long and fast, so he will play kinda similar to Javale McGee and Noah, just with much improved scoring ability. He is also developing some post skills lately and has a nice reliable hook already. In a long run he should be a better NBA player, but a lot will depend on his development and health....that's my two cents as of now
we haven't seen Jonas so far very often so we cannot say much at the moment
Enes will be a great player but let's be honest, if Semih Erden was not injured do you think Enes would still get those minutes?
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