Lebanese FLB league 2011-2012

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

i dont think they have any political agenda
i heard that Zardman real estates will be their main sponsors,i dont think it has anything to do with politics,apart from being an armenian team it has nothing to do with politics,but i could be wrong

Homentmen --- > Tashnag
Homenmen ---- > Henchag

Both with great history in lebanese football.Homentmen won the league title 7 times, homenmen 5 times.They are top 5 clubs in history of lebanese football.
Antranik is the one not related to politics, and you could find there supporters from both sides.

[daniab]

I respectfully disagree with the other members here regarding Sagesse having the largest basketball fan base in Lebanon and would say that Riyadi has the largest fan base in Lebanon and i'm not saying this because I support Riyadi but for the following...

After Choueiry (RIP) left basketball and stopped supporting Sagesse the basketball scene really toned down and there were many fans (not the basketball die hard fans) who stopped following basketball and were no longer supporting Sagesse. Back then Sagesse had a very diverse fan base since there were many Muslims who used to support Sagesse.

- Riyadi on the other hand started winning the Lebanese Championship once again and since their fan base is mostly made up of Muslim Sunnis it can be said that the majority of the Sunni population in Lebanon are Riyadi fans while those living in North Lebanon are Mouttahed fans (even though many of them also support Riyadi)... So basically my arguement would be that since there are only 2 Muslim teams playing in the Lebanese League the majority of the Muslim Sunni Population would be supporting Riyadi and thus they would be having the largest fan base in Lebanon (I hate using religion as an excuse and example to support this but unfortunately this is the case in Lebanon)

I beg to differ with you completely , first you can't measure a club fanbase assuming that all Sunnites support Riyadi or Christians Sagesse etc.. we have no clue about the propotion of each sector's involvement in basketball to decide whether it could be a reference or no!
second, im not a sagesse fan, but what is the best and most reliable reference to the weight of each fanbase of clubs? when Sagesse in their bright and worst times, have been the most club followed by fans in stadium, while Riyadi have been suffering to get a good attendance in good and worst times (last year their games in semi finals were almost half empty) then what do you conclude?
Riyadi has by no doubt a huge fanbase, but its not yet proven to be the biggest!

[eliooo93]

I beg to differ with you completely , first you can't measure a club fanbase assuming that all Sunnites support Riyadi or Christians Sagesse etc.. we have no clue about the propotion of each sector's involvement in basketball to decide whether it could be a reference or no!
second, im not a sagesse fan, but what is the best and most reliable reference to the weight of each fanbase of clubs? when Sagesse in their bright and worst times, have been the most club followed by fans in stadium, while Riyadi have been suffering to get a good attendance in good and worst times (last year their games in semi finals were almost half empty) then what do you conclude?
Riyadi has by no doubt a huge fanbase, but its not yet proven to be the biggest!

just out of curiosity, what club do u support?

[amm]

You can also add the Shiites as a fan base to Ryadi also.

[daniab]

just out of curiosity, what club do u support?

hehe im neutral, i just support the game itself

[lebanese phoenix]

hehe im neutral, i just support the game itself

i also have a problem with supporting one team
i support the national team primarily and watch the league just to see how our basketball level is develloping
that's why i have a problem and am supporting 6-7 teams
i support good basketball in general

[leb-basket]

listen guys riyadi might have the biggest fan base in lebanon indeed however they aren't loyal fans ! whereas sagesse are very loyal to their team! that's it end of debate

[gazara]

Bank Med Lebanese League Season 2011-2012

Round 8:

Sunday November 20:

Sagesse v/s Champville 6h00PM (Ghazir Stadium) [Live on LBC I & Europe]

[Khalid80]

listen guys riyadi might have the biggest fan base in lebanon indeed however they aren't loyal fans ! whereas sagesse are very loyal to their team! that's it end of debate

At the end of the day numbers of fans don't measure the success of the team

And if you ask me personally I prefer if we could have less fans but of better quality (those who care more about cheering for their team rather than cursing at the other team and refs and shouting religious and political chants ).. That's why I stopped watching live games from the court in Lebanon a really long time ago (not talking about NT games but FLBB league games).

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

At the end of the day numbers of fans don't measure the success of the team

And if you ask me personally I prefer if we could have less fans but of better quality (those who care more about cheering for their team rather than cursing at the other team and refs and shouting religious and political chants ).. That's why I stopped watching live games from the court in Lebanon a really long time ago (not talking about NT games but FLBB league games).

In terms of success its not even close, riyadi has bigger history then sagesse.
more leabense league titles, cups, supercups, arab titles..
and much better youth system. from fadi el khatib, to now bassel bawji..
riyadi is the reason of success for lebanese basketball.not antoine chweiry

[Gio BD]

In terms of success its not even close, riyadi has bigger history then sagesse.
more leabense league titles, cups, supercups, arab titles..
and much better youth system. from fadi el khatib, to now bassel bawji..
riyadi is the reason of success for lebanese basketball.not antoine chweiry

I don't think that there is one single reason why Lebanon has been somewhat successful in basketball. There are many who have helped, but unfortunately many (possibly more) who have hindered. It's quite sad because Lebanon can be so much better. Lebanon is riddled with corruption.

I took watch the league to see how the locals do. I enjoy seeing Omar Ayoubi dunk or Rodrigue Akl triple double.

[Khalid80]

In terms of success its not even close, riyadi has bigger history then sagesse.
more leabense league titles, cups, supercups, arab titles..
and much better youth system. from fadi el khatib, to now bassel bawji..
riyadi is the reason of success for lebanese basketball.not antoine chweiry

Man Bassel didn't play for Riyadi's youth team as far as I know. I remember he was playing with Harlem and from there went to play high school basketball in the U.S before being selected by the Tulsa Golden Hurricanes (NCAA Division I)

And as GIO BD said it's not just 1 reason that led to the success of basketball but many factors.
And we can't mention Lebanese basketball without Antoine Choueiry (RIP)... If there's 1 person that did more for Lebanese basketball than anyone else it's Choueiry.
Riyadi initiated this success with their 3rd place performance in the 1998 Asian Championship for clubs in Malaysia but it was Choueiry and Sagesse who took basketball to a higher level and which started this Riyadi-Sagesse derby (before Choueiry a Sagesse-Riyadi game was just another game in the league)
Back then when Riyadi and Sagesse used to play the streets used to be literally empty as every single person was going to watch this game no matter what. The basketball fever in those couple of years was really at the highest peak ever simply because even those that didn't care about basketball were watching basketball at that time.

[lebanese phoenix]

In terms of success its not even close, riyadi has bigger history then sagesse.
more leabense league titles, cups, supercups, arab titles..
and much better youth system. from fadi el khatib, to now bassel bawji..
riyadi is the reason of success for lebanese basketball.not antoine chweiry

i wouldnt go as far as to say that
i mean,only last year did riyadi win their first asian cup,whereas sagesse won it 2 succesive times and then a 3rd time, back when sagesse was dominating the league, the league was very competitive unlike now when riyadi is just dominating bcs of the lack of competitive teams (last season and this one are an exception).
I'm not denying riyadi's role in lebanese basketball,on the contrary,i think that after sagesse riyadi are the ones to thank for our basketball.
If you remmember antoine shweiry's days,you'd remmember the convoys stretching down from ghazir to beirut celebrating sagesse's wins it was ecstatic,i remmember when i was still in school in 1998 when sagesse used to win championships,we'd have days off the game was sooo popular to the extent that the minister of education would declare an off day everyone was ecstatic,it was the golden age of basketball,all this was bcs of antoine shweiry,the qualifications to the world cup....
i do respect riyadi and everything they did to basketball,but i think that it would be totally biased to state that shweiry did nothing compared to riyadi

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

i wouldnt go as far as to say that
i mean,only last year did riyadi win their first asian cup,whereas sagesse won it 2 succesive times and then a 3rd time, back when sagesse was dominating the league, the league was very competitive unlike now when riyadi is just dominating bcs of the lack of competitive teams (last season and this one are an exception).
I'm not denying riyadi's role in lebanese basketball,on the contrary,i think that after sagesse riyadi are the ones to thank for our basketball.
If you remmember antoine shweiry's days,you'd remmember the convoys stretching down from ghazir to beirut celebrating sagesse's wins it was ecstatic,i remmember when i was still in school in 1998 when sagesse used to win championships,we'd have days off the game was sooo popular to the extent that the minister of education would declare an off day everyone was ecstatic,it was the golden age of basketball,all this was bcs of antoine shweiry,the qualifications to the world cup....
i do respect riyadi and everything they did to basketball,but i think that it would be totally biased to state that shweiry did nothing compared to riyadi

That bias at best, when saggesse was winning there was competition and when riyadi is winning there is no competition.lol.
when sagesse was winning, we were there trying to break them. when champville broke, and we became strong sagesse and chweiry run away from competition like a pussy.why? because there ego cant take a loss
mind u asian titles is only thing sagesse has more then riyadi. riyadi has more then 30 league titles since 1950's. Do not compare a club with 15 - 20 year history to greatest club in history of lebanese bball riyadi.

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

Man Bassel didn't play for Riyadi's youth team as far as I know. I remember he was playing with Harlem and from there went to play high school basketball in the U.S before being selected by the Tulsa Golden Hurricanes (NCAA Division I)

bassel played for riyadi when he was too young, and nazih bawji was still training in riyadi.

nazih bawji father of bassel bawji is one of legends of riyadi and lebanese basketball in the past.

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

this champville team stands no chance vs riyadi.last year champville were stronger with jay youngblood. this year they are slower, and average.
I think many changes that happened in champville weakened them this year.



edit: also check how miguel martinez is completly owning karl sarkis. Thats anothe weak point over the last year.

[eliooo93]

riyadi is the reason of success for lebanese basketball.not antoine chweiry

You're right Antoine Chweiry did not develop lebanese bball in any kind of way -.-... BS.. where was Lebanon on the International scene before the appearance of President Chweiry? Just because Riyadi has won the league more than sagesse does not mean that they were the ones to take basketball in lebanon to another level... It was Antoine Chweiry and Sagesse that really triggered lebanese basketball.

[Lebanese 2 - 1 S.Korea]

unfourtnately your opinion on shweiry comes from religious views, i wont comment.

like if same show is on ftv and lbc, u would say lbc show is better then ftv for obvious religious reasons . i wont comment more on u.

[eliooo93]

unfourtnately your opinion on shweiry comes from religious views, i wont comment.

like if same show is on ftv and lbc, u would say lbc show is better then ftv for obvious religious reasons . i wont comment more on u.

lol, that is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard... but ok, whatever makes u happy

and if u're using my post on the sagesse and riyadi fanbase thing,, i can tell u that i posted here over 1,300 times and i never mixed basketball and religion until u came along and opened the subject... It's true that I was born a christian but I almost don't know anything about my religion.. I'm 18 years old now and grew up in a very secular environment and probably haven't went to pray in church more than 20 times (of course against my will).. I attended IC while in Lebanon and Lycee after my family and I went to live abroad.. So give me a break, your post does not make any sense..

[eliooo93]

hehe im neutral, i just support the game itself

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