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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMetal View Post
    Wow! This Jimmy Galen might grow up to be seven feet, at a young age of 16 already 6'8", he looks athletic though looking at the pictures, SBP should take a look at him now!
    Reminds me of this kid I met a year back in Soldiers Hills in Muntinlupa. Michael Hernandez was finishing high school (16 years old) back then at Mary Joy of Christians School. Standing 6'7", he played center for his school's varsity basketball team. The kid though had a different calling - he's currently a Seminarian in Cebu.

    There is a lot of potential talent out there - we just need a concerted effort to join in the search even from common basketball enthusiasts such as most of the people in this forum. Might be a good idea to put up a website, or even a humble Facebook page to facilitate the "search" for potential talent, where anyone can drop a line and give info on a young player with potential.....or perhaps there's one already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex07 View Post
    I hope any manila college would take this guy and train him...any takers? San Beda perhaps?



    I hope Chot learned from his previous lessons and this is what he has to concentrate at.Better defense,better three point shooting and a higher field goal percentage could take us to the promise land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan Bruiseter View Post
    We just need a concerted effort to join in the search even from common basketball enthusiasts such as most of the people in this forum. Might be a good idea to put up a website, or even a humble Facebook page to facilitate the "search" for potential talent, where anyone can drop a line and give info on a young player with potential.....or perhaps there's one already?
    This is a great idea!

    How about contacting Elma Muros-Posada, Galens coach..?

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    Hi Nardy

    there is nothing alarming about this actually. the bottomline is that philippine elementary to high school is only 10 years long while US/European/etc is 12 years long so that is why Filipino high school graduates need to do 2 more years. For example, I studied 2 years at U.P. when I transferred to north America, my 2 years of college were credited as 2 years high school to add to the 10 years primary schooling i had in the philippines. In other words , I had to repeat as a freshman again which I didn't mind doing since I was not in a hurry to graduate =)... this was back then, I dont know how it is now or if foreign universities have become more lenient in accepting filipino transferees.

    once the philippine system transitions completely to 12 years then this "bridging" issue will not be a so-called issue anymore. filipino transferees will just have to pass the TOEFL english test.

    the philippines is only one of the very few countries that stick to the 10 years primary/high school system until recently resulting in the cramming of subjects and lack of depth in the absorption of information...unless the student takes it upon himself to educate himself further and/or he is just naturally smart, then this results in high school/college graduates who are 2 years deficient in schooling relative to other countries. Of course in the philippine setting, this was "enough" until recently, but the realization that we have to compete more led to this 12 year program finally being instituted.
    As a final note, I wonder if the 10 year philippine system had some small impact/effect on the poor rankings of philippine universities on a worldwide basis.







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    I am assuming those classmates of yours are Ateneans like you .... you guys are among the best in English proficiency and still they are required to pass thru the bridging program. What more if its like us who are more into "Jimmy Santos" kind of Englishing Kidding aside, I do find that alarming if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan Bruiseter View Post
    Reminds me of this kid I met a year back in Soldiers Hills in Muntinlupa. Michael Hernandez was finishing high school (16 years old) back then at Mary Joy of Christians School. Standing 6'7", he played center for his school's varsity basketball team. The kid though had a different calling - he's currently a Seminarian in Cebu.

    There is a lot of potential talent out there - we just need a concerted effort to join in the search even from common basketball enthusiasts such as most of the people in this forum. Might be a good idea to put up a website, or even a humble Facebook page to facilitate the "search" for potential talent, where anyone can drop a line and give info on a young player with potential.....or perhaps there's one already?
    i saw benjie paras in the AKTV panel several days ago. he's with his two sons with jackie forster. i think the older one stands about 6'4-6'5 (he's just an inch shorter than his father, benjie is about 6'5-6'6 right?) and the other one is about 6'3. i saw the older son play for st. benilde in the championship game in junior NCAA against san beda and he played a heck of a game. the younger one, according to mico halili, is being trained as a point guard at 6'3. benjie even mentioned that he's considering his old buddy ronnie magsanoc to train the boy who is just 14 or 15, i think. i hope these young paras(es) make a future benjie in them.

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    Speaking of playing and studying in a University Tito Toots I’m curious given that your child is a talented player, given an option between playing for an elite UAAP team like Ateneo or an established Australian University which one looks more promising career basketball wise, Where will his skills be further developed? I eliminated the US college option on the assumption that the talent requirement for a full scholarship division I school is at a different level. Related to this do NZ citizens have full rights and access toAustralian athletic scholarships in Univesites? BTW send me a private message in response if that suits you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angmamatayngdahilsa'yo View Post
    i saw benjie paras in the AKTV panel several days ago. he's with his two sons with jackie forster. i think the older one stands about 6'4-6'5 (he's just an inch shorter than his father, benjie is about 6'5-6'6 right?) and the other one is about 6'3. i saw the older son play for st. benilde in the championship game in junior NCAA against san beda and he played a heck of a game. the younger one, according to mico halili, is being trained as a point guard at 6'3. benjie even mentioned that he's considering his old buddy ronnie magsanoc to train the boy who is just 14 or 15, i think. i hope these young paras(es) make a future benjie in them.
    saw that interview too. actually the kid did mention that he's been getting advice from magsanoc. so there you go. if everything goes well, we might have a big PG comming. also with the program Higanteng Pinoy, if he ever decides to join. then it will be good for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    saw that interview too. actually the kid did mention that he's been getting advice from magsanoc. so there you go. if everything goes well, we might have a big PG comming. also with the program Higanteng Pinoy, if he ever decides to join. then it will be good for him.
    And laughing my self out that day classic Benjie

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    you do the translation hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverwing View Post
    Is SBP communicated with this prospect? I guess if this kid will be monitored and trained by SBP, he can be a very good prospect for our future national team with his height and build he can be a good PF/C.
    yeah, he is a good prospect for future RP team. Then, if he's enrolled to schools like Ateneo or San Beda or University of Cebu , said schools would prohibit him from joining the national team! He might become like a Junmar Fajardo who, in an shameful act of selfishness & unpatriotism, was prohibited by University of Cebu from joining the National team. Look at how mediocre Fajardo's performance is playing for San Miguel team in the ABL. That I guess is the affect of getting used to low-level competition in CESAFI where Fajardo was pitted against much much shorter defenders. Fajardo would have utilized his full potential being exposed to higher level of basketball had he been allowed by his school to join the Smart Gilas program as early as 2009.

    The same fate awaits Jimmy Galen if his handlers aren't cautious and smart enough to harness & nurture Galen's potential. There are so many "vultures" out there lurking so Galen & his handlers must better watch out!

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    JORDAN ROUTS POWERADE NATIONAL TEAM

    Posted on 18 July 2009


    TAIPEI – The awakening to the truth about international competition couldn’t have been more rude, and the welcome to the 31st staging of the William Jones Cup any more cold for Powerade-Team Pilipinas.


    Hoping to showcase to the rest of Asia what they are all about as they set a goal lofty enough to deserve an appearance in the 16th World Championship in Istanbul next year, the Nationals ran smack instead to the harsh realities of global basketball.


    Reduced to a bush leaguer in the second quarter where big and bold Jordan racked up 20 straight points to break a tight game open, the RP team fell with a big thud Saturday, 90-59, at the Hsinchuang gymnasium, putting pressure on everybody involved in sending a national team to the 25th FIBA Asia Men’s Championship in Tianjin, China next month.


    The Nationals, who started James Yap, Asi Taulava, Gabe Norwood, Kerby Raymundo and Willie Miller, stayed in the game in the first 10 minutes, trailing 17-15, with the promise of a second quarter blast up in the air.


    But then came off the bench Rasheim Wright, the 6-4 point guard who terrorized Chot Reyes’ RP team during the 24th FIBA Asia Olympic qualifier in Tokushima , Japan two years ago.


    In a flash, the potential for a big first half went up in smoke as the defending champion Jordanians, orchestrated by Wright, cut the Nationals’ defense to shreds, setting bone-jarring screens against the man-to-man and hitting the open man from the outside.


    With alarming regularity, the Nationals were caught two or three steps away from a Jordanian in firing position or pinned hapless under the basket by huge post-up presence.


    It was 37-15 with three minutes remaining in the half before Jared Dillinger went to the free throw for the first two of four second quarter points to end the long drought, and it was more of the same the rest of the way.


    Fast on their feet in challenging shots and covering the middle, the Jordanians, coached by Brazilian firebrand Mario Palma, who made RP coach Yeng Guiao look like an altar boy, had the Nationals starving from the perimeter and under the offensive glass.


    They also had easy access in front of their goal, drawing the double-team and then locating their spot-up shooters.


    “We have to learn how to beat this team if we hope to make the Turkey tournament,” said Guiao, who hinted of a major adjustment when the team returns.


    “Between now and Aug. 6, we have to do something drastic,” he said. “We have a lot of adjustments to make, we need to learn to play with size better, find a way to contend with bigger teams.”


    Palma was magnanimous in victory.


    “This is just the first game,” he said, seated beside Guiao in the press room for the post-game interview. “I don’t think this was a normal result.”


    There were a few bright notes for Team RP, like Kerby Raymundo scoring the Nationals’ first six points and newcomer Japeth Aguilar swatting away shots.


    But it was a Jordanian show all the way, with the debacle at its height halfway in the fourth quarter at 79-45.



    The rebound story was 47-33 and the assists comparison, 17-6.



    The Nationals missed 17 three-point shots and were 18 of 51 from within.



    Ginebra’s Jayjay Helterbrand and Cyrus Baguio, and San Miguel Beer’s Mick Pennisi, with little rest following their Game 7 battle in the Motolite-PBA Fiesta Cup Finals, arrived Saturday afternoon with Powerade-RP team manager JB Baylon and PBA media bureau chief Willy Marcial but didn’t suit up.



    They are expected to be inserted in the 12-man lineup, which is allowed by tournament rules, for Sunday’s 7 p.m. match against host
    Taiwan .



    In other opening day games, Lebanon , with the veteran Fadih El-Khatib pouring 32 points, crushed Taiwan-B, 93-61, while South Korea , which is bracketed with the Philippines , Japan and Sri Lanka in Group A in the FIBA Asia tournament, edged Kazakhstan , 75-73, despite getting outrebounded, 42-32.



    Scores:


    JORDAN 90 – Alkhas 21, Wright 12, Almaayta 10, Abu 9, Daghles 8, Abbas 8, Idais 8, Awadi 6, Hadra 4, Soobzoko 2, Alnajjar 4.


    POWERADE-RP 59 – Taulava 10, Raymundo 8, Aguilar 8, Santos 7, Dillinger 6, Yap 6, Arboleda 5, Thoss 4, Miller 3, Norwood 2, De Ocampo 0.


    Quarters: 17-15; 42-19; 70-41; 90-59.




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    Gutsy RP five falls to Jordan

    August 14, 2009, 6:52pm





    Game on Saturday (Tianjin gym)
    2 p.m. — RP vs Qatar (for 6th place)


    TIANJIN, China — Gabe Norwood came tantalizingly close to becoming a hero for Powerade-Team Pilipinas Friday, but couldn’t get enough teammates to play supporting cast in the final drive against Jordan.


    The Nationals fell to the more matured, more organized Jordanians, 81-70, in the knockout quarterfinals to bow out of contention for a top three spot in the 25th FIBA-Asia Men’s Championship here.


    With the loss, its third in six games (not counting Sri Lanka), the RP team waved goodbye to its goal of reaching the FIBA World Championship for the first time in more than two decades.


    But already assured of eighth spot, one rung higher than its 2007 Tokushima FIBA Asia predecessor, the RP team can aspire for fifth place with two more games coming up – against Qatar at 2 p.m. Saturday and a still unknown quarterfinalist Sunday.


    A 1991 RP squad finished seventh during the Asian Basketball Confederation Men’s Championship in Kobe, Japan, a target the Nationals, also backed by Nike, can shoot for host China was battling Chinese-Taipei and South Korea was engaging Lebanon in two other quarterfinal matchups at press time, with the winners squaring off in the Final Four.


    Jordan will face Iran, which came from behind to beat Qatar, 75-65, for a seat in the championship and one of three berths to the 2010 FIBA-World Championship in Istanbul.


    The game will serve as a resumption of Jordan’s forfeited game with Iran in the William Jones Cup tournament in Taipei last month where Portuguese coach Mario Palma ordered a walkout in disgust over officiating, virtually handing the title to Iran. Jordan was up, 2-0, when a fight broke out, involving 7-foot-3 Iranian center Hamed Ehadadi.


    Exhaling after China got past Jordan at the close of the preliminary round, setting up a Philippines-Jordan knockout, the Nationals came into the game armed with resolve and the belief that their destiny was to get back at the team that crushed them by 31 points in the Jones Cup.


    Twice in the first half, they took the lead, the second at 24-22 on back-to-back three-point shots by Mick Pennisi and a Norwood free throw that erased a 22-17 first quarter deficit.
    But on both occasions, the Jordanians rose to the challenge.


    In response to the RP team’s audacious second quarter run, Jordan dropped four 3-point shots in a 15-3 counterattack that left the Nationals reeling until a 3-pointer from Cyrus Baguio to open the fourth period had something going.


    Norwood, whose electrifying presence has been overshadowed by the dazzling three-point shooting of James Yap and Willie Miller in the Chinese-Taipei game, thrust himself into the spotlight by burying two consecutive triples followed by a fast break layup by Baguio that cut a 15-point Jordan lead to 68-63, with six minutes left.


    Nobody else stepped up to play second fiddle to Norwood and Baguio, however, and it was the closest the RP team got to an upset as Jordan settled down, defending furiously and hustling to assemble a quick 9-2 run that ended the threat.


    Six-foot-10 Ayman Idais did much of the damage by scoring 20 points before fouling out to backstop vaunted Rasheim Wright, stepping in and out of focus but still leading his team with 21 points.


    Norwood led the RP team with 11 points, with Jared Dillinger and Willie Miller adding 10 points each. But Kerby Raymundo and James Yap turned up cold in the most important game for the Nationals, combining for 3 of 6 from the floor.

    Zaid Abbas grabbed 16 rebounds as Jordan won the boards, 49-38, and the war in the paint, 36 points to 20.


    “We knew Jordan is going to be a tough one for us,” said national coach Yeng Guiao.


    The scores:

    JORDAN 81 — Wright 21, Idais 20, Abbas Z.9, Soobzokov 9, Alkhas 6, Daghles 6, Alawadi 4, Al-Sous 4, Hadrab 2, Alnajjar 0, Almaaytah 0, Abbas I. 0.

    RP 70 — Norwood 11, Dillinger 10, Miller 10, Pennisi 9, Baguio 9, Taulava 7, Yap 6, Raymundo 4, Thoss 2, Helterbrand 2, Aguilar 0, Santos 0.

    Quarters: 22-17, 45-33, 67-52, 81-70.




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    Fiba-Asia Championships: Jordan knocks Team Pilipinas out in their quarterfinal matchup

    Posted by Jaemark Tordecilla on August 15, 2009 at 04:42 |




    The late, great David Halberstam had an awesome quote from Hall of Fame forward Julius Erving about professionalism: “Being a professional is doing the things you love to do, on the days you don't feel like doing them.”

    I had been dreading to write about Team Pilipinas’ 81-70 loss to Jordan in the Fiba-Asia knockout quarterfinals since the end of the game. Part of it is because of the way it went down; it was a very winnable game that could have gone our way had the ball bounced a bit differently, and losses like that are particularly hard to swallow. Another part is because it would feel like a eulogy, when in fact it shouldn’t; there are two more classification games remaining, and Team Pilipinas could still salvage fifth place, which would be our best placing in this tournament in two decades. I especially wanted to steer clear of the useless ‘what if’ exercise – what if Ryan Reyes and Kelly Williams hadn’t gotten injured, what if this team had six weeks instead of three weeks to train, what if Japeth Aguilar hadn’t gotten hurt at the start of the tournament, etc. Especially since the tournament isn’t over yet.

    So I guess I’ll just talk about the game. I usually am not a fan of the boxscore to tell the story of the game – Rockets GM Daryl Morey, the NBA’s foremost proponent of statistical analysis, detests the boxscore – but in the case of this game, the boxscore tells pretty much the whole story. That is, Team Pilipinas got killed by Jordan off the offensive boards, giving up 17 which led to 17 extra possessions for them. The boxscore only shows that Jordan shot a blistering 55% from 2-point range, but I suspect that if you took away second-chance opportunities, that number would be closer to the 38% that we shot from inside the arc. Otherwise, the team did a good job – they had four more three-pointers than Jordan (although the 12 threes made were 2 to 3 fewer than Team Pilipinas has been making the past few games) and limited their turnovers to just 12 (Jordan had 11).





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    Jordan coach: RP can be great again
    June 25, 2010 By JONAS TERRADO


    Jordan national team coach Mario Palma believes the Philippines can be a powerhouse team in Asia if it plays the right way - no fancy moves and play tough and honest defense.

    Palma, a Portuguese national who guided the Jordanese to their first-ever stint in the FIBA World Championship in Turkey this August, thinks that with Rajko Toroman coaching the Smart Gilas-RP team, the culture of Philippine basketball is in for a big change.

    "I haven't coach against this team (Smart-Gilas) but I heard it's a pretty good team," said Palma.

    "I don't know about the team but I have an idea about how coach Rajko is doing with this squad."

    This marks the first time that Palma will be playing against the Smart-Gilas team although he's no longer stranger to the Filipinos' brand of play, having played against the PBA-backed RP team in 2007 and 2007.

    Jordan won in both occasions that undermined its status as one of the fast emerging powers in Asia.

    Palma acknowledges the country's very rich crop of talent but said the Philippines can't achieve its goal playing back in the Olympics if the Filipinos won't play as a team. "You see, basketball is a team game. Offense sells tickets but defense wins games," said Palma.

    "The Philippines can be great in the world but for what I see, if they (Filipinos) play for spectators and not play to win games, it will be very difficult. When you go to international tournament and you have only talent then it will be difficult for the since other teams have also talent but more effort."

    "I think the Philippines has very much talent than us but they lost to us (Jordan). Why Because we are better organized in terms of defense. It's a team game," he added.

    "They are really good, they have talented players but in the end, you cannot win like this in my opinion and coach Rajko will change this. So I think it's a very different team it will not be the same team that I saw before." he added.

    Barangay Ginebra team manager Samboy Lim, who was one of the key components of the fabled Northern Consolidated squad of American mentor Ron Jacobs, agreed with Palma, saying during their time, they also prepared for two to three years before they realized their talent as a team.
    See the difference sir Nards: our 2009 RP team coached by Yeng Guiao was easily humiliated by Jordan (we lost by a big 31 pt. margin) in the 2009 Jones Cup. Jordan repeated over the Philippines in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Men's Championship, winning by 11 pts. Smart Gilas on the other hand beat the very same Jordan team in the 2010 Stankovic Cup, and in the elimination round of the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's Chmapionship. Jordan beat Gilas in 2011 Jones Cup & in the very important semi-final game in 2011 FIBA-Asia. Didn't Gilas fare better vs. Jordan than the Yeng-Guiao-mentored Powerade-RP team in 2009?

    And judging from Jordan coach Mario Palma's statements, it seemed Palma sees more potential w/ the Rajko Toroman-mentored Smart Gilas team than the Yeng Guiao-mentored Powerade-RP team w/c Jordan easily beat twice in 2009.

    Let's ponder on these statements by Palma:

    "The Philippines can be great in the world but for what I see, if they (Filipinos) play for spectators and not play to win games, it will be very difficult. When you go to international tournament and you have only talent then it will be difficult for the since other teams have also talent but more effort."

    "I think the Philippines has very much talent than us but they lost to us (Jordan). Why Because we are better organized in terms of defense. It's a team game,"

    "They are really good, they have talented players but in the end, you cannot win like this in my opinion and coach Rajko will change this. So I think it's a very different team it will not be the same team that I saw before."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    See the difference sir Nards: our 2009 RP team coached by Yeng Guiao was easily humiliated by Jordan (we lost by a big 31 pt. margin) in the 2009 Jones Cup. Jordan repeated over the Philippines in the 2009 FIBA-Asia Men's Championship, winning by 11 pts. Smart Gilas on the other hand beat the very same Jordan team in the 2010 Stankovic Cup, and in the elimination round of the 2011 FIBA-Asia Men's Chmapionship. Jordan beat Gilas in 2011 Jones Cup & in the very important semi-final game in 2011 FIBA-Asia. Didn't Gilas fare better vs. Jordan than the Yeng-Guiao-mentored Powerade-RP team in 2009?

    And judging from Jordan coach Mario Palma's statements, it seemed Palma sees more potential w/ the Rajko Toroman-mentored Smart Gilas team than the Yeng Guiao-mentored Powerade-RP team w/c Jordan easily beat twice in 2009.

    Let's ponder on these statements by Palma:

    "The Philippines can be great in the world but for what I see, if they (Filipinos) play for spectators and not play to win games, it will be very difficult. When you go to international tournament and you have only talent then it will be difficult for the since other teams have also talent but more effort."

    "I think the Philippines has very much talent than us but they lost to us (Jordan). Why Because we are better organized in terms of defense. It's a team game,"

    "They are really good, they have talented players but in the end, you cannot win like this in my opinion and coach Rajko will change this. So I think it's a very different team it will not be the same team that I saw before."

    ahhhh...
    is that so?!?..
    hmmm....
    i wonder where is TOROMAN right now?
    i believe he was axed? does he?
    so where is that "very different team now?"

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    What's the big deal about Toroman and Palma in this thread? Amateur coaches who are as good or better than them are dime a dozen in the USA. One of these coaches, Jacobs, delivered results even better than Toroman's. An amateur coach from Florida State Seminoles, North Carolina Tar Heels or Duke Blue Devils would likely produce even better results for the Pinoy national teams -- these coaches tend to be far fiercer and more pattern- and work-oriented than NBA coaches -- than the named coaches based on the recent consistent good quality ball produced by these schools.

    Did I forgot to say that the present successful coaches of the USA NBA players for the Olympics are still associated more with amateur ball than pro ball?

    In fairness to Pinoys, none of the three teams mentioned are small, and are easily coachable like all college-level teams. The Seminoles, which upset the favored North Carolina in the ACC, now has a 15-man team that has the size, three-point shooting and quickness that can crush the current Chinese national team. Oddly, Duke has three Plumlee brothers who are all forwards standing 6'10"-6'11". North Carolina doesn't even have a center (half of 16 players are forwards); but their forwards are some of the smoothest and coolest playing ones for the NCAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtfernando View Post
    What's the big deal about Toroman and Palma in this thread? Amateur coaches who are as good or better than them are dime a dozen in the USA. One of these coaches, Jacobs, delivered results even better than Toroman's. An amateur coach from Florida State Seminoles, North Carolina Tar Heels or Duke Blue Devils would likely produce even better results for the Pinoy national teams -- these coaches tend to be far fiercer and more pattern- and work-oriented than NBA coaches -- than the named coaches based on the recent consistent good quality ball produced by these schools.

    Did I forgot to say that the present successful coaches of the USA NBA players for the Olympics are still associated more with amateur ball than pro ball?

    The Seminoles, which upset the favored North Carolina in the ACC, now has a 15-man team that has the size, three-point shooting and quickness that will easily crush the current Chinese national team. Duke even has three Plumlee brothers who are all forwards standing over 6'10".
    i think they just tried the euro-style of basketball just to incorporate teamplays and execution even with a small team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acklium View Post
    i think they just tried the euro-style of basketball just to incorporate teamplays and execution even with a small team.
    We will tend to lose for as long as we send too-small teams to fight too-big teams in the internationals. Small teams tire faster and have greater difficulty in easy shooting than big teams even if they have the same level of athleticism; the same results when you have welterweights trying to go even with heavyweights.

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    Don't do it, Chot.
    IF THERE IS NO BASKETBALL IN HEAVEN, I AM NOT GOING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acklium View Post
    i think they just tried the euro-style of basketball just to incorporate teamplays and execution even with a small team.
    It's not about Euro ball either. We simply kept sending welterweight teams against heavyweights. As in boxing, the results are highly predictable. Bigger and stronger players score easily and tire slower than much smaller players even if their athleticism is comparable. Euro-style basketball also requires the teams not to be as severely undersized like our national teams. We form a national team with reliable scorers and far stronger and bigger frontliners and you will see that our local basketball is not something to sneeze at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    yeah, he is a good prospect for future RP team. Then, if he's enrolled to schools like Ateneo or San Beda or University of Cebu , said schools would prohibit him from joining the national team! He might become like a Junmar Fajardo who, in an shameful act of selfishness & unpatriotism, was prohibited by University of Cebu from joining the National team. Look at how mediocre Fajardo's performance is playing for San Miguel team in the ABL. That I guess is the affect of getting used to low-level competition in CESAFI where Fajardo was pitted against much much shorter defenders. Fajardo would have utilized his full potential being exposed to higher level of basketball had he been allowed by his school to join the Smart Gilas program as early as 2009.

    The same fate awaits Jimmy Galen if his handlers aren't cautious and smart enough to harness & nurture Galen's potential. There are so many "vultures" out there lurking so Galen & his handlers must better watch out!
    100% agree. shame on ateneo and san beda for not releasing the likes of kiefer, greg, salva, monfort, pascual, lanete, and marcelo to the national team. damn greedy schools.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dtfernando View Post
    It's not about Euro ball either. We simply kept sending welterweight teams against heavyweights. As in boxing, the results are highly predictable. Bigger and stronger players score easily and tire slower than much smaller players even if their athleticism is comparable. Euro-style basketball also requires the teams not to be as severely undersized like our national teams. We form a national team with reliable scorers and far stronger and bigger frontliners and you will see that our local basketball is not something to sneeze at.
    and with that experiment do you think they failed? on that subject

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtfernando View Post
    It's not about Euro ball either. We simply kept sending welterweight teams against heavyweights. As in boxing, the results are highly predictable. Bigger and stronger players score easily and tire slower than much smaller players even if their athleticism is comparable. Euro-style basketball also requires the teams not to be as severely undersized like our national teams. We form a national team with reliable scorers and far stronger and bigger frontliners and you will see that our local basketball is not something to sneeze at.
    and with that experiment do you think they failed? on that subject

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    Jordan coach: RP can be great again
    June 25, 2010 By JONAS TERRADO

    Jordan national team coach Mario Palma believes the Philippines can be a powerhouse team in Asia if it plays the right way - no fancy moves and play tough and honest defense.

    Palma, a Portuguese national who guided the Jordanese to their first-ever stint in the FIBA World Championship in Turkey this August, thinks that with Rajko Toroman coaching the Smart Gilas-RP team, the culture of Philippine basketball is in for a big change.

    "I haven't coach against this team (Smart-Gilas) but I heard it's a pretty good team," said Palma.

    "I don't know about the team but I have an idea about how coach Rajko is doing with this squad."

    This marks the first time that Palma will be playing against the Smart-Gilas team although he's no longer stranger to the Filipinos' brand of play, having played against the PBA-backed RP team in 2007 and 2007.

    Jordan won in both occasions that undermined its status as one of the fast emerging powers in Asia.

    Palma acknowledges the country's very rich crop of talent but said the Philippines can't achieve its goal playing back in the Olympics if the Filipinos won't play as a team. "You see, basketball is a team game. Offense sells tickets but defense wins games," said Palma.

    "The Philippines can be great in the world but for what I see, if they (Filipinos) play for spectators and not play to win games, it will be very difficult. When you go to international tournament and you have only talent then it will be difficult for the since other teams have also talent but more effort."

    "I think the Philippines has very much talent than us but they lost to us (Jordan). Why Because we are better organized in terms of defense. It's a team game," he added.

    "They are really good, they have talented players but in the end, you cannot win like this in my opinion and coach Rajko will change this. So I think it's a very different team it will not be the same team that I saw before." he added.

    Barangay Ginebra team manager Samboy Lim, who was one of the key components of the fabled Northern Consolidated squad of American mentor Ron Jacobs, agreed with Palma, saying during their time, they also prepared for two to three years before they realized their talent as a team.

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    What do U think Mario Palma was trying to drive-out in making those statements? Wasn't Palma trying to tell us that Philippine basketball's free-wheeling & individualistic style of game would never work in international competitions and that certain changes as far as our approach of the game must be made?

    When Rajko Toroman was hired as head coach of Smart Gilas program, among the objectives of the program was to teach the Filipino players how to play the international style of basketball. Like Palma, Toroman believes that Filipino players have the individual talent & that Philippine basketball has a greater depth of talent than most countries in Asia. Toroman however believed that Filipinos lacked the "tactical skills" essential in the international game. It is for this reason that the Smart Gilas program was founded - to teach & train our promising amateur cagers the techniques & tactics of the international game. It is for this reason why Toroman believed that the amateur players of Gilas, as young & raw as they were, will be more competitive than the more talented & more matured PBA-select national teams. While amateur players were inferior than their PBA counterparts in terms of individual talent, learning the techniques & tactics of the international game from a veteran international coach, combined w/ cohesion & the experience playing in international meets will more than compensate for whatever deficiencies in individual talents & maturity these amateurs had.

    With the Gilas program, Toroman has put emphasis on passing, team defense, ball movement & movement w/o the ball & playing under a structured system. Players were made to realize that superiority in individual talent & line-up depth don't count in international basketball as much as teamwork & cohesion do.

    In terms of individual talent, Smart Gilas cagers (w/ the exception of Marcus Douthit), were no match against their PBA counterparts. PBA superstars are obviously more refined, more polished, & more matured compared to the amateur cagers of Gilas. Chris Tiu would be no match going one on one w/ James Yap or Mark Caguioa. Jimmy Alapag will easily outsmart Jayvee Casio. Kerby Raymundo, be4 he got injured, would easily outplay a Mac Barracael. Yet facts will tell us that Smart Gilas team fared better in international tournaments than the PBA-select national teams in 2007 & 2009.

    Toroman was in the process of revolutionizing Philippine basketball - transforming it from an individualistic free-wheeling style to a teamwork oriented & structured system concept. It was unfortunate that Toroman had to go & be replaced by a PBA coach. Just when our players were starting to master the international game through a foreign coach, we kicked that foreign coach's ass & replaced him w/ a PBA coach whose basketball orientation isn't really geared towards the international game. It seems to me, we are going in circles instead of making some progress.

    Let's take those words from a proven "winner" like Mario Palma who knows his basketball much better than anyone of us in this forum. We have to remember, those words were coming from a "neutral" individual. I wonder what Palma would be saying if informed that Smart Gilas under Toroman finished 4th in last year's FIBA-Asia, yet we kicked Torman's ass & replaced him w/ a local coach simply becoz Toroman failed to accomplish his mission. Perhaps Palma would only be shaking his head as if to say "Filipinos have never learned their lessons"

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