SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XVII)

[durden_tyler]

It's gonna be a very long night ahead of us national team fans then. Please wake me up when it is already a Smart Gilas 5 or 10 on the line.

Can we wake you up as well if it's SMC NT 2.0 at that time?

[dtfernando]

Can we wake you up as well if it's SMC NT 2.0 at that time?

It depends. I might have to wait too if SMC small-ball will also be the flavor of the decade. SMC is running out of young and internationally competitive tall men I think.

[swish#20]

Again it all comes down to unfortunate sad circumstances on why our national team's fate and destiny is the way it has been and the way it will continue to be. If it is true that Fiba-Asia has made the necessary moves that will prevent us from acquiring all those tall and skilled fil-foreign players for our team, then yes that severely diminishes our chances of being able to beat the top teams of Asia. But that doesn't mean we can't still form a competitive team with what we have right now. My point is if this is the way it has to be that we will be relying on a mix of PBA players, Sinag and probably some college standouts....then premium must be set on getting the best tall players for each position, most specifically the forwards down to the the point guard positions. For example guys like Norwood, Dillinger, Ellis etc. who should in reality be playing the two spot because of their size, Kelly Williams for example should go back to playing the small forward position w/c he was his natural position back in college, Fajardo and Aguilar should start getting accustomed to playing the power forward spot as early as now, I mean this should really be the mindset that we no longer should be at a disadvantage in height from the 4 position down to the point guard because honestly we do have the materials its just a question of utilizing them properly.

I mean seriously man, if we are to go with the "initial" dream selection of reyes in the article above...a selection that includes Castro, reyes, fonacier, alapag, david casio and lassiter..all guys who stand no more than 6'1" to 6'2" at best and they will be matched up by 6'4" to 6'6" players from the powerhouse teams of Asia...together with a severely undersized power forward in De Ocampo and Kelly Williams (who really has no business playing the 4 spot) who will be matched against the 6'9" bangers of Iran, Jordan, China and Korea...and your sole backup center is Sonny Thoss, I mean damn, seriously just Thoss?

My hands are up........

Who are those players suited for their respective spots? can you name names? do you think with about 1 year of training they can be at par with asia's best? i'd take the tnt core any day. with those undersized players in the line-up, smart gilas managed to beat tough teams like japan and jordan in the fiba asia. its just that FT booboos did them in. so are you saying again that undersized means an automatic lost cause?

Our choosing of NT is far from ideal, i'm not really a fan of Chot and TNT, actually i cheered for powerade and petron against them in the last conferences, but when their on fire, their really on fire. is this only in the pba? why we have alapag and de ocampo effective in smart gilas. though i'd like to say alapag really was exhausted from their year-long grandslam bid.

So i am for this TNT core added with key players.

[durden_tyler]

Who are those players suited for their respective spots? can you name names?

Yes, let's see your "fantasy" line-up geo. Consider that 2013 is in sight and consider the limitations too. Does Chot really have much of a choice?

[analyzed]

Who said tall men Slaughters and Japeth won't be in the final line-up, its premature to conclude that. Remember Chot's press release was primary about who will be in the PBA player wish list. This had nothing to do with naming non PBa players in the line-up. Chots priority right now is to present a PBA list to the commissioner for approval, not to ask for non PBA players, let Uichico and Sinag guys handle that

[toikins]

2012 China U18 National Team

Player Roster

4 Li Bin from Zhejiang Lions
5 Wu Qian from Zhejiang Taurus
7 Liu Zhenan from Bayi
8 Yang Jinmeng from Guangdong
9 Li Jinglong from Guangdong
10 Han Delong from Bayi
12 Gao Shang from Guangdong
13 Li Lin from Beijing
14 Dai Huaibo from Dongguan
15 Zhang Han from Jiangsu
16 Shao Yinglun from Guangdong
17 Wang Zhelin from Fujian
Friendly Games

08/03 China 110 - Lithuania 100
09/03 China 92 - Australia 85
10/03 China 106 - USA 115
12/03 China 92 - Australia 84
13/03 China 90 - Lithuania 87
14/03 China 88 - USA 93
16/03 China 60 - Australia 81
17/03 China 72 - Lithuania 86
18/03 China 82 - USA 101

Nike International Junior Tournament

10/05 China vs. Zalgiris
11/05 China vs. KK Zagreb
12/05 China vs. Fenerbahce Ulker

22nd FIBA Asia U18 Championship

Got this from "kings" in another section of the forum.
An example why we are not going to beat "China". U18's have already started training as early as now. the powerhouses have their line-ups and training as well. If we are not going to get playing time playing against the best, how are we to gauge our strengths and weaknesses. If they are trainign this hard for the juniors, imagine what's going on in the seniors.

There's Wang Zhelin but no Zhou Qi. I wonder why?

so do we have a representative for this age group?

[dtfernando]

The TNT core team with a flavoring of other PBA players is good to go in three months or less. There's no need to train them, and there's really no need to even think about them anymore until 2013 as we already know what they can do. Sending them out for anything other than the crucial FIBA elimination games would just expose them to needless risks of injury.

The greater harm will come from the substantial opportunity costs of not using the bigger men and boys as soon as possible against their biggie counterparts. How can they improve to international levels if you don't even use them? The relevant adjustment is not to use a coach who is being paid to have a reputation to lose. If the SBP cannot afford to hire a credible US NCAA coach for the national teams, it would be better to use the present UP Fighting Maroons coaches as they have no claim to fame to lose, and would definitely maximize the use of tall and big players in the national team.

In other words, the SBP should not waste the FIBA Asia pretests like the Stankovic Cup or Jones Cup on pro team playerss. That would truly be a monumental waste of precious training and preparation time and resources. The SBP should just send the best of NLEX and other non-PBA commercial clubs with the five biggest mobile Pinoy centers and power forwards not included in Chot's team. They are the real players of the national team of the future.

[geohunk]

The TNT core team with a flavoring of other PBA players is good to go in three months or less. There's no need to train them, and there's really no need to even think about them anymore until 2013 as we already know what they can do. Sending them out for anything other than the crucial FIBA elimination games would just expose them to needless risks of injury.

The greater harm will come from the substantial opportunity costs of not using the bigger men and boys as soon as possible against their biggie counterparts. How can they improve to international levels if you don't even use them? The relevant adjustment is not to use a coach who is being paid to have a reputation to lose. If the SBP cannot afford to hire a credible US NCAA coach for the national teams, it would be better to use the present UP Fighting Maroons coaches as they have no claim to fame to lose, and would definitely maximize the use of tall and big players in the national team.

In other words, the SBP should not waste the FIBA Asia pretests like the Stankovic Cup or Jones Cup on pro team playerss. That would truly be a monumental waste of precious training and preparation time and resources. The SBP should just send the best of NLEX and other non-PBA commercial clubs with the five biggest mobile Pinoy centers and power forwards not included in Chot's team. They are the real players of the national team of the future.

Exactly.

[durden_tyler]

Who said tall men Slaughters and Japeth won't be in the final line-up, its premature to conclude that. Remember Chot's press release was primary about who will be in the PBA player wish list. This had nothing to do with naming non PBa players in the line-up. Chots priority right now is to present a PBA list to the commissioner for approval, not to ask for non PBA players, let Uichico and Sinag guys handle that

This too, it's too early to say really. But if we do follow Chot's tendencies-- bumping off Toroman at some point in Gilas I campaign the last time around, adding his (or the right word is, influencing..) reinforcements and in the process losing Aguilar, Baracael, Barroca in the rotation, we kind of know already where this is going. Case in point, where is Japeth in TNT's rotation (an old issue but still) among others...

[durden_tyler]

The TNT core team with a flavoring of other PBA players is good to go in three months or less. There's no need to train them, and there's really no need to even think about them anymore until 2013 as we already know what they can do. Sending them out for anything other than the crucial FIBA elimination games would just expose them to needless risks of injury.

The greater harm will come from the substantial opportunity costs of not using the bigger men and boys as soon as possible against their biggie counterparts. How can they improve to international levels if you don't even use them? The relevant adjustment is not to use a coach who is being paid to have a reputation to lose. If the SBP cannot afford to hire a credible US NCAA coach for the national teams, it would be better to use the present UP Fighting Maroons coaches as they have no claim to fame to lose, and would definitely maximize the use of tall and big players in the national team.

In other words, the SBP should not waste the FIBA Asia pretests like the Stankovic Cup or Jones Cup on pro team playerss. That would truly be a monumental waste of precious training and preparation time and resources. The SBP should just send the best of NLEX and other non-PBA commercial clubs with the five biggest mobile Pinoy centers and power forwards not included in Chot's team. They are the real players of the national team of the future.

Long term vs. short term issues again. i don't see a long-term plan from the SBP. Who's fault is that?

[geohunk]

Yes, let's see your "fantasy" line-up geo. Consider that 2013 is in sight and consider the limitations too. Does Chot really have much of a choice?

My goodness i've already named some players in my previous posts who are best suited for their respective positions, skill wise and more importantly height-wise to be competetive against the top teams of asia. I have not included any potential fil foreign prospects who are still waiting to be discovered. Again my point is we should have maximized these players/assets since day one of Gilas 1 if only there was full cooperation with every party and Toroman had full control on who he can get for the team. If such was the case I am confident Toroman or any other coach not from the PBA would have not opted for the small ball mentality.

[Lebron23]

I hope Coach Chot Reyes will run the Flex Offense. It's a basic basketball offense. Every basketball players are capable of running this offense.

Instructions

The flex offense is one of the most basic offenses in all of basketball. It provides a chance for all five players to touch the ball and work together to get a good shot. Every player will have to set screens, cut off of screens, pass the ball and shoot. Young players should run the flex offense or at least be familiar with it because it is effective for teaching the fundamentals of the game.


1

Set up the offense. To run the flex offense the point guard will bring the ball up on the left side of the floor. The shooting guard should be positioned along side of him to the right. The small forward is in the left corner with the center on the left block and the power forward on the right block.
2

Trigger the offense with a pass. The point guard should pass the ball to the shooting guard. When the ball is passed, the center will set a back screen for the small forward and the small forward will cut to the middle of the lane looking for a pass from the shooting guard. This is the basic "flex" cut that the offense is named after. As the small forward cuts through the power forward should move out to the three point line on the right side to make room for the small forward to take his place on the right block.

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3

Screen the screener. The next step when you run the flex offense is for the point guard to set a down screen for the center who had just set a pick for the small forward. The center then flashes to the free throw line. If he is open, the shooting guard should pass to him. If not he should run all the way out and replace the point guard at the top of the offense.
4

Reset the offense. The formation is now flipped from when the offense started. The shooting guard has not moved yet, but the center is now up top, the point guard is on the offside baseline, the small forward is on the right block and the power forward is now on the ball side baseline.
5

Flip the play. Now the offense runs the same play, just to the opposite direction. The shooting guard passes to the center, the small forward sets a back screen for the power forward who cuts through the lane, the shooting guard sets a down screen for the small forward and we are once again set up in the same formation as we were at the beginning of the play. Players have shifted spots, but the same basic spots on the floor are occupied.
6

Run the flex offense over and over. This is a very basic offense, but if the screens are set properly, there should be ample opportunities to get open shots. If it is run correctly no one will be able to dominate the ball and everyone will get a chance to score.


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[durden_tyler]

My goodness i've already named some players in my previous posts who are best suited for their respective positions, skill wise and more importantly height-wise to be competetive against the top teams of asia. I have not included any potential fil foreign prospects who are still waiting to be discovered. Again my point is we should have maximized these players/assets since day one of Gilas 1 if only there was full cooperation with every party and Toroman had full control on who he can get for the team. If such was the case I am confident Toroman or any other coach not from the PBA would have not opted for the small ball mentality.

That's what you did not understand. There are limitations and conditions which you should consider... Let me search for your line-up so that we can cross check it against Chot's supposed plans.

[durden_tyler]

You will have to refresh us geo, i can't find your line-up anywhere.

[Lebron23]

Our players needs to practice their free throw shooting, mid range jumper, and 3 points shooting. A very good 3 points shooting, and rebounding team will always beat a taller, and more athletic players.

Just look at 6'2" Allan Caidic who's still a very good shooter at 49 yrs.old. He scored 54 points against these former NBA Players in an exhibition game.

[Lebron23]

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...3F_ERl1k8l_jlQ

How to attack the Zone defense??? Good Read.

[Lebron23]

These players needs to learn how to play multiple positions in FIBA Competitions. Just look at 6'5" Ranidel De Ocampo who's a very effective Small Forward in the 2011 FIBA Asia Championship. Our PG needs to be a good outside shooter. That's why a younger Jimmy Alapag or a Prime Ronnie Magsanoc is the perfect starting PG for the National Team. It sucks that we don't have a Kenneth Duremdes type of player in our National team.

Sinag Players + TNT players + Marcus Douhit + Gary David/Marcio Lassiter/JV Casio, + Jeff Chan/Motivated Gabe Norwood = Smart Gilas 2.0.

[durden_tyler]

These players needs to learn how to play multiple positions in FIBA Competitions. Just look at 6'5" Ranidel De Ocampo who's a very effective Small Forward in the 2011 FIBA Asia Championship. Our PG needs to be a good outside shooter. That's why a younger Jimmy Alapag or a Prime Ronnie Magsanoc is the perfect starting PG for the National Team. It sucks that we don't have a Kenneth Duremdes type of player in our National team.

Sinag Players + TNT players + Marcus Douhit + Gary David/Marcio Lassiter/JV Casio, + Jeff Chan/Motivated Gabe Norwood = Smart Gilas 2.0.

Duremdes was a potent offensive player-- great at penetration with shooting and even an in between game. Lassiter and Lutz's skill set are actually near his level but not the offensive minded.

[geohunk]

You will have to refresh us geo, i can't find your line-up anywhere.

You will have to refresh us geo, i can't find your line-up anywhere.

Dude is it selective memory or what? Just go back a few posts and i've already named some players who I felt should have been with Gilas 1. Ok if you really want to know my "fantasy" lineup I'll post it here, but it doesn't matter anymore because I think I have a grasp on what chot's team will be like.

For your benefit my proposed Gilas team:

Centers: Douthit, Slaughter
Power Forwards: Fajardo, Aguilar
Small Forwards: Jay Washington, Kelly Williams, Stan Hardinger (if possible)
Combo Big Guards: J. Dillinger, G. Norwood, Chris Ellis, Lassiter (for continuity sake)
Point Guards: Pringle, Banchero and Casio (for continuity sake)

Reserves: Gary David and Ranidel Deocampo

So there thats my 16 man pool with emphasis on height and skill with players at least 6'5" for our wings and guard positions. Now only if we gave these guys at least 3 years to play together starting from Gilas one under Toroman then this would have been a very competetive team against the Asian powerhouses. Now would it be enough to beat them? We won't know because of our love for small ball is unfazed up to today.

Now this isnt including any future discoveries. If we can find at least 2 more filipinos in the world at least 6'9" and who play like Jackson Vroman minus the awful free throws of course then I wouldnt hesitate in making some adjustments to my lineup.

[Lebron23]

You will have to refresh us geo, i can't find your line-up anywhere.

These kids needs to stop watching NBA basketball. I played with some HS Varsity players in our town, and some of these players tries to emulate Kobe, LeBron, Rose, and Wade type of players. I told them. "You guys ain't 6'2", 6'4, 6'5", and 6'8"." You guys needs to watch 6'1" Steve Nash, Prime Reggie Miller, Even an Allan Caidic, and Ray Allen on youtube if you want to score against taller players. Just look at the South Koreans who defeated China in the 2002 Asian Games.

The Philippines were the former King of Asia because we had better basketball program back in the day. We had Prime Samboy Lim, and Prime Allan Caidic who represented the country in several international competitions. If we can produce a taller version of Allan Caidic and Samboy Lim. We can beat China, and Iran in the 2013 FIBA Asia Championship.