Might have missed it, apologies for that.Originally Posted by geohunk
Both available but Chot most likely will not use Slaughter short-term (2013) though could be the 14th man for development purposes. That is doable.For your benefit my proposed Gilas team:
Centers: Douthit, Slaughter
Fajardo is with SMB. Aguilar is in the doghouse.Power Forwards: Fajardo, Aguilar
Should have put if possible on Jay Washington too because he's from the other Evil Empire.Small Forwards: Jay Washington, Kelly Williams, Stan Hardinger (if possible)
All are possibilities.Combo Big Guards: J. Dillinger, G. Norwood, Chris Ellis, Lassiter (for continuity sake)
The second reportedly has no Philippine passport, the first one am not sure if he's eligible.Point Guards: Pringle, Banchero and Casio (for continuity sake)
Again sir, there are LIMITATIONS and CONDITIONS.
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Hatfield is a natural undersized cornerman (SF-PF) at 6'3" as listed by the PBA. How will he defend and score at the guard-wing spots (where his height belongs) when he is at his best playing inside and has no reliable outside shot? At the Asian level his playing style most closely resembles Islam Abbaas from Jordan who stands at 6'6 3/4". Teams like Jordan, Iran and China will easily defuse the H-Bomb.
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I am fully aware of the limitations and conditions, and have been since way back in 2002. Thats why it's called a fantasy lineup. If only there were no roadblocks and we were like korea or china where they can pluck the best players for the team with no issues. Heck even team USA really doesnthave an issue with the NBA in the past decade.
Yes we do not live in a perfect world indeed.
The thing is Aguilar and company although not in the rotation in the late stages of FIBA asia were still in the line-up. My point is Slaugthers / Aguilar etc might not be used much in the late stages for the next FIBA asia, but that dosen't mean they are unlikley to be included in the final line-up. Japeth's not being in TNT's rotation is irelevant for his chances of making the NT final line-up. Because bottom line is if your going to sub Doulthit with a big man for limited minutes, chances are your going to sub him with a legitimate size center for FIBA asia standards like Sluaghters not a proven undersize PBA center like Peek. Being in the rotation in the PBA is really irrelavant , likewise if you start with Williams at PF giving Japeth Spot minutes as back up makes a whole lot of more sense than getting a 6'3 PBA power forward like Arwin. PBA play at their position if there undersize is really irrelevant
First, Chot does not need to use Aguilar because there simply are not enough good tall PBA guys to defend against. Short, heavily muscled forwards like Peek and old Menk are more than adequate in the PBA. Second, Aguilar's low-post moves are non-existent: he can't put the ball on the floor safely, no spin moves to evade guards, no high-arcing layups and fadeaways, no banked shots capability, cant' guard versatile biggies like Parada, and so on. I forgot: he can't defend well either.
How can he perform as an able forward when he can't even dribble coast-to-coast at high speed against arrogant guards? As much as I do not want to believe it, I guess the guys who suspect that he's somewhat dumb, mule-headed, and completely lacks the desire to excel may be true.
Though I do not personally know him, I would say that he is lazy in practicing anything other than those required for jumping. Practicing all the vital post moves of a Hakeem are hardly difficult -- devotion is the main requirement. He should work out with David or some other industrious players.
Last edited by dtfernando; 03-23-2012 at 10:03 AM.
I completely agree. It sucks that Japeth fails to improve his basic basketball skills. He should be dominating these smaller PBA Players because he's a legit 6'8".. Instead of practicing his dunks. He needs to improve his post game. Prime Benjie Paras would destroy him.
Oh silly,
why oh why do we play basketball defensively, reactively. why dwell on japeth's weaknesses and instead concentrate on his strengths. At least he can dribble more than 3 times without losing the ball on the fast break.
My solution: if i was coaching japeth, I would probably make mince meat out of most teams we will play with on the break> How: put him up to 2 guard position and make him run the floor. He is a thoroughbred not a pulling horse. Let the guy run but pair him up with a fast point guard that can pass him the ball without him needing any more than 5 bribbles. I guarantee a basket 4 out of 5 times.
Instead on reacting on mismatches, create it. change the game entirely. Play the run and gun with size. Maybe there is a reason why d-League coaching here beckons.
Jozef at 16
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Don Camaso's 13 or 14 yrs.old son is now 6'4". I hope he plays in the UAAP someday. Camaso is a solid role player in the PBA, a former MBA Slamdunk champion, and he can shoot from the outside.
http://www.pba-online.net/profile/Celedon-Camaso/14/
Wow ..really? Then the powers that be should do everything in getting this kid the proper guidance and training and hopefully land him in our under 18 group if the kid has any potential. Yes Camaso was really a small forward type of player, a legit 6'6" guy who was forced to playing the backup center position to Adduccul back in his MBA days. The guy was lethal on the fastbreak, a guy who can run and gun which was pretty rare in those days for a guy his size and was a decent 3 point shooter. I remember batting for his inclusion way back in 2002 for the Busan Asian games bound PBA all star team. He would have been an excellent backup small forward to Danny Seigle at the time.Don Camaso's 13 or 14 yrs.old son is now 6'4". I hope he plays in the UAAP someday. Camaso is a solid role player in the PBA, a former MBA Slamdunk champion, and he can shoot from the outside.
http://www.pba-online.net/profile/Celedon-Camaso/14/
So if his kid can grow to be anything like his dad who knows. He may grow as tall as 6'9".
won't matter if he is trained as a center. Put him up to Higanteng magilas program.
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Lassiter and David likely to join Gilas 2.0. Thoss on Chot's wishlist.
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1.) Never bite the hand that feeds you
2.) Don't shit in your own backyard
Wonder who Chot will select to form his 16-man pool. I'll try to make a guess:
From TNT:
1. Jimmy Alapag
2. Jason Castro
3. Kelly Williams
4. Ranidel De Ocampo
5. Larry Fonacier
6. Ryan Reyes
7. Jared Dillinger
From Powerade:
8. Marcio Lassiter
9. Gary David
from Alaska:
10. Sonny Thoss
11. LA Tenorio
from Rain or Shine:
12. Gabe Norwood
from Barako:
13. Mick Pennisi
from B-Meg:
14. James Yap
15. Marc Pingris / Joe Devance
from Petron:
16. Chris Lutz
Note that these are not my choices personally but simply second-guessing Chot's preferences. Reyes would want a team that can run and score from the outside. He might also have to find a need to help Marcus Douthit inside, which justifies his possible selection of Mick Pennisi. Pennisi likewise is a tall guy at 6'9 who can shoot from the outside so he'd be a fit for Reyes as well - in the same mold as Ranidel De Ocampo. Thoss would definitely be there as Douthit's chief backup.
Running the point would be Alapag, Castro and Tenorio. Tenorio's style of play would definitely fit Reyes' system so he'll be a shoo-in for the pool. Alapag and Castro can play either 1 and 2 if Chot opts to go small ball just to speed up the game. Norwood may also be tapped to play point guard when we play against the Middle Eastern teams just to offset the size advantage without sacrificing speed too much.
For offense, Chot would probably want consistent shooters from the outside like Yap, David and Fonacier. Others like Reyes, Lassiter and Dillinger would also be considered.
We will see.Don't forget it is Chot at the helm though.
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let me see...Douthit check,Castro,Lassiter check that's basically it..lol Gary David seems ok.But no problem.The team seems a bit older than what I've expected.But no problem,anxious to see how they'll fare in the Jones Cup or the Stankovic cup.Then if there's a problem then Chot might adjust.I hope.Two quotes from you because i got your first statement before you edited it
You're the one killing yourself over the latest developments.Relax, breath it's not actually the end of the world but listening to your reactions... i am not sure.
Not bitter, 80 per cent of the Chot selection is in my fantasy line-up. Could have been better but it's Chot's system that is going to be used so he knows the kind of player to select.
Now, how about you? What did you get right so far?
I'm not sure but I think Pringle was born in the Philippines.Correct me if I am wrong.Banchero I think does not have a Philippine passport at the moment.
Last edited by Alex07; 03-23-2012 at 01:30 PM.
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Mick Pennisi was on the AKTV center with his 14 year-old son. That kid is tall for his age and he hinted he played ball - anyone know what school he goes to? Looks like his mom is Pinay?
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I'm not sold on Yap's game, he's not a good defender and his laid back persona can be a liability sometimes as it carries in how he plays. I would still prefer Lassiter and David since these two guys, really goes all out on both ends of the court.
Gabe's height is essential in international competition but he's too passive. Dillinger over dribbles and is not a reliable shooter.
We have a lot of mobile big men now unlike in the days of centennial team were we have to acquire the services of Feihl just to add ceiling even though he's too flat-footed and doesn't really bring anything to the team apart from his height. Guys like Eman, Thoss, Slaughter and Japeth are more agile and can certainly run up and down the court with ease but the problem is that most teams doesn't utilize them (except Thoss). I don't know if these guys are just too lazy to learn and master post plays or no one is capable of training them or just the Filipino brand of play (small ball). It's kinda disappointing that we're not utilizing their God given height.
i think aguilar has a better chance at being named in the pool more than pennisi. i also think casio has a better chance than tenorio. and sean anthony is a good prospect, perhaps better than an injury-ravaged lutz or an error-prone dillinger.
reyes probably feels the same. think 2007. even jeff chan is probably a better prospect than yap.I'm not sold on Yap's game, he's not a good defender and his laid back persona can be a liability sometimes as it carries in how he plays. I would still prefer Lassiter and David since these two guys, really goes all out on both ends of the court.
Let's be clear and realistic about something Chot's list is not really a pool of players who will actually prepare together , to be more accurate the 16 man list, is simply a wish list. The constraits of the PBA calendar really does not make it viable nor advisable to actually prepare with 16 player only to dwindle it down to 10. Remember Doulthit and maybe one or two Sinag players will already be taking 2 to 3 spots of the final 12 man line-up. So really, you are left at maximum of 10 PBA players who can make the final line-up. It becomes senseless then to have to integrate 16 men in a short period (outside of the PBA season) when you'ré only picking 10 players. The situation even becomes clearer when you consider at least 6 to 7 of the 10 players will already coming from TNT (Chots) team. That basically leaves maximum of 3 spots for PBA players not playing in TNT. The situation becomes even clearer, When Chot has already named the following non- TNT players: Thoss, Lassiter and David. And also showed favor for former Gilas players.
So really players outside of the core list mentioned ofter : e.g: Tenorio, DeVance (who isn't even eligibable)Yap, Norwood, Pingris, Pennisi are all wishful thinking and really not viable nor even advisable. Why force to integrate 6 additional players to practice in their already full calendar in such as short period of time, especially when they have very little chance of making the final line-up anyway (This is not a prolong tryout camp we are after nor do we have the time). Remember also by investing time in these "outside of the core" unlikely to make the team players you also do it at the risk of discupting the chemistry of the core. This is will be highly disruptive.
Bottom line is, it is really a 16 man wish list not an actually practicing pool that where talking about that Chot will be asking for approval from the PBA
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