Quiet Revolution: EL & VTB come to an agreement

[pohani komarac]

didn't wannt to start new "revolution thread" so I will post it here...it has conection with Russia

Rumours say Croatian, Slovenian and Serbian clubs will lose their participants and ABA will get to EL (2direct, first and 2nd) from ABA league and one (3rd in competition) in EL qualiys, while one direct spot of ABA teams will go to Russia

one more step to destroy our domestic cometitions and step to make ABA only league in region

After all this ULEB/ Jordi bullshit all I wannt to say is čika Bora COME BACK!!!

[Gonzaka]

Just take a look @ Spain U-20: Mirotic, Sastre, Franch , Simeon - all those play major roles in ACB teams.

Nope... Sastre waves towels at Sevilla while Simeón is a PG at Lleida (LEB Gold). But it's not easy to play at ACB for young people in Spain.

(Yeah, Abrines... But Unicaja is a team in self-destruction mode).

[vaslover]

Because Spaniards throw young fish right into swim pool with sharks . Many don't survive , but those who do become stronger .

Just take a look @ Spain U-20: Mirotic, Sastre, Franch , Simeon - all those play major roles in ACB teams.

Yes,especially Mirotic is the most SPANISH boy!..

[Billy Bounce]

Nope... Sastre waves towels at Sevilla while Simeón is a PG at Lleida (LEB Gold). But it's not easy to play at ACB for young people in Spain.

(Yeah, Abrines... But Unicaja is a team in self-destruction mode).

Sad to hear it. Just after Spanish U20 won the trophy... Could it be that Spanish clubs lost its interest in Sastre & Simeon because now they're too old for youth tournaments ?

[Gonzaka]

Sad to hear it. Just after Spanish U20 won the trophy... Could it be that Spanish clubs lost its interest in Sastre & Simeon because now they're too old for youth tournaments ?

In a league where everybody can win everybody, is difficult to find minutes to young people. Only classic teams in this like Joventut or Manresa and the others who have usually blow-out games can give minutes easily to their young players.

BTW, Simeón made a very good season at LEB Gold. For sure, he has options to be at ACB the next season.

[Billy Bounce]

In a league where everybody can win everybody, is difficult to find minutes to young people. Only classic teams in this like Joventut or Manresa and the others who have usually blow-out games can give minutes easily to their young players.

BTW, Simeón made a very good season at LEB Gold. For sure, he has options to be at ACB the next season.

I dunno if this recipe suits ACB...

For years Israeli league tried all kinds of restrictions on foreign players , it didn't worked out. This season they tried ( or rather were forced by DivB clubs lack of money ) a new "weapon" : no relegation.

All of sudden 89-91 born kids started to get considerable minutes.

It has to be said that this season with the exception of MTA the league was "everybody can win everybody": 7th ranked Ashdod beat 2-nd Galil & 3-rd Rishon on its way to the final.

[IJK_Principle]

So if PBL ceases to exist and VTBUL will be the national league for Russian clubs, does this mean CSKA, Khimki and others will restore their participation in the Russian Cup? I wonder.

[IJK_Principle]

It has been said CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL itself. Which club is second in terms of budget in the EL? I presume it is Barcelona? What was/is their budget?

I still don't get how can CSKA have bigger budget than any Spanish or Greek team and the EL itself if basketball is not that popular in Russia compared to Greece and Spain.

[Billy Bounce]

It has been said CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL itself. Which club is second in terms of budget in the EL? I presume it is Barcelona? What was/is their budget?

I still don't get how can CSKA have bigger budget than any Spanish or Greek team and the EL itself if basketball is not that popular in Russia compared to Greece and Spain.

Budgets usually have close to nothing to basketball popularity , it's more about sponsors.

CSKA has the backing of VTB league father ( and vice czar of Russia ) - Sergey Ivanov, so for Norilsk Nickel support of CSKA is "an offer they cannot refuse" .

However Norilsk Nickel price dropped by ~40% from 2011, so contrary to the last season, this year CSKA won't enjoy unlimited budget .

[Hot Spot]

Norilsk Nikkel this season made the deal between CSKA and Kirilenko possible. I don't think, that this money is needed in the next season.

CSKA's budget bigger than that of the Euroleague? Of course it is bigger. Or do you think, Bertomeu earns more money than Kirilenko?

[IJK_Principle]

I wouldn't call Ivanov the 2nd most powerful person in Russia. He's pretty powerful and all (former minister of defence etc.) but I wouldn't say he's number 2.

Are budget numbers public? I would like to compare budgets of EL, CSKA, Maccabi, Barcelona, Panathinaikos and maybe throw in Real Madrid, Khimki, UniCS and Spartak SPb just for comparison.

[Billy Bounce]

I wouldn't call Ivanov the 2nd most powerful person in Russia. He's pretty powerful and all (former minister of defence etc.) but I wouldn't say he's number 2.

Are budget numbers public? I would like to compare budgets of EL, CSKA, Maccabi, Barcelona, Panathinaikos and maybe throw in Real Madrid, Khimki, UniCS and Spartak SPb just for comparison.

Nope, budgets are not public, at least not officially. If you got budget data on some clubs, feel free to throw them in

[IJK_Principle]

Nope, budgets are not public, at least not officially. If you got budget data on some clubs, feel free to throw them in

So basically this whole "CSKA's budget is twice that of PAO" and "CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL's" is just an estimation, right?

[sagenas]

So basically this whole "CSKA's budget is twice that of PAO" and "CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL's" is just an estimation, right?

Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Coaches know approximate budgets of their opponents and so. Also people who have information on European basketball market (players prices and so) can count whose budget is bigger, whose is smaller.

Just my two cents.

[Joško Poljak Fan]

So basically this whole "CSKA's budget is twice that of PAO" and "CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL's" is just an estimation, right?

What you've said might just be the case now when Pao started to spend less than in the past. Search some of the "clubs budgets" threads within this forum for an estimation of those.

[Billy Bounce]

So basically this whole "CSKA's budget is twice that of PAO" and "CSKA's budget is bigger than that of EL's" is just an estimation, right?

I feel like the inventor of bicycle who is asked how his thing works.

Unless EL will demand to make participating clubs budgets transparent : it's all estimations.

The estimations comes (as sagenas said) from various leaks of clubs budgets/players salaries to the press.

For example : CSKA salaries with links to press sources

[Olympiacos]

The Euroleague company's current operating budget is supposedly €30 million euros. CSKA's budget this season is supposed to be $40 million dollars.

Under today's exchange rates (5th of June 2012), that means that the budgets of both, in euros, is €30 million for Euroleague the company and €32 million for CSKA. So yes, the CSKA of the 2011-12 season had a higher budget.

[IJK_Principle]

Thanks all for info.

It's just that in ice hockey it's different - for example in Czech Extraliga the budgets of clubs are public. Also Lev Praha's (brand new club of the KHL) budget is public. Thus these budgets are easily comparable.

[pohani komarac]

bit off topic:

my most hated person, president of croatian basketball federation talks to press about future of aba league. he says first option was that aba league would lose 2 spots, but they are fighting to get our clubs 2+1. croatian basketball legend and curent asistant of ministar of sport had some "nice words" abot uleb and radic.

http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/rad...ge/619102.aspx

[Joško Poljak Fan]

ABA honestly deserves less than 3 places, judging from the performances in the past few years.
Yet... Uleb's policy is killing the basketball in this area, we've had numerous bad examples in other countries as well and I am basicaly surprised by the passiveness of some national organisations that should have a saying in all this.